Guess he must have had "other priorities."

Cook

You might have something there. Take the next couple months and do thorough research on whether he had asthma or not.

Guess he must have had "other priorities."

#1 | Posted by cookfish

I don't get what you're going for here. Are you trying to say that he is the same as the guy you voted for twice? You are insulting him by saying he is just like someone you admire?

You reichnuts are really shooting blanks this time around. I think we'd be better off focusing on questions arising from John McCain's well known anger management issues and doubts surrounding his overall mental stability.

Ahhh cookedfish and his "important" threads.

Yawn.

File this thread with Obama's birth certificate and the greek columns.

You are a joke.

His son at the big convention said he was a star football player. Now I know that all mediocre high school players tend to get better as their memories fade, but I didn't know that many who had asthma.

He had more important things to do. By sitting out the war, he gets to criticize people who did go. And for years, that made up a key part of the hard-left constituency.

I think we'd be better off focusing on questions arising from John McCain's well known anger management issues

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-09-01 07:40 AM | Reply

Translation:

Cheney's deferrments were fair game, but it's NOT FAIR (stomp! stomp! stomp!) when a Democrat played the same game.

It's only 8:38 am in the US. Is Doc_SlurredVision drunk yet?

It's only 8:38 am in the US.
Posted by vernon at 2008-09-01 09:38 AM |

Check your Vermin Kalkoolator, Time Zone King. I think it needs a new battery.

I guess the Central Time Zone isn't the US, eh Doc?

Well, Vernon---DID Cheney's deferments matter? Before we go any further, perhaps a response?

"I guess the Central Time Zone isn't the US, eh Doc?"

That's you guess? Then, as usual, you're wrong and you'll have to go back to Dogpatch without a prize. Again.

Here's the late breaking news (perhaps it'll help you out next time): There are several time zones in the US.

What you missed (natch)is that when Vermin said it was 8:38 the post read 9:38. You'd have to be aware of Vermin's math problems to keep up to speed.

But, please, keep on chugging.

I'll answer that one: yes, Cheney's deferments mattered. So did Clinton's.

But to put such things in perspective, it's hard to do better than a certain drill sergeant of mine who was asked what he thought about his new Commander in Chief, Bill Clinton, who refused to serve. He said, "Count your blessings. People like that are pussies, and pussies get good men killed."

Hard to know how many lives were saved, when Joe Biden decided for a career at law school where he finished in the bottom 10% of his class. But not all of them were Viet Cong.

So, Cheney is a pussy? I did understand your post?

On my last post, it's 9:26 local time. But obviously, the DR posts in EST. But last I checked, I'm in the United States. And I know how time zones work, having lived in all of them except Alaska.

It's still early for another Joe Biden gaffe that makes everyone question his sobriety. Give him . . . two more hours.

Since were categorizing men according to feminine reproductive anatomy---Where on the pussy scale does a man that uses the National Guard to evade combat fall?

While were at it, if you had a man that volunteered for combat in the Mekong Delta and actually saw some, where on the pussy scale is he?

"But obviously, the DR posts in EST."

Yup, yup.
~Sarah Palin

So, Cheney is a pussy? I did understand your post?

#13 | Posted by Zed
* * * *

Cheney was a pussy. So was Clinton, so was Biden, so was everyone who found "other priorities" when their country was at war, and was otherwise healthy enough to have served. That said, I don't want to be judged on anything I said or did when I was that age. Folly of youth, and all that.

That's just my opinion, though. Nobody else seems to mind anymore, and this is the first ticket in American history with no military experience at all. We'll see if it matters or not. But with Obama/Biden banging the drum for war with Pakistan, Iran, and Russia, might not be a bad idea to have someone around who knows what that means.

NG is part of the military, especially in the elite branches, such as aviation. And I never disrespected Kerry's military service, if that's what you're talking about. But I do want to know what the hell he was talking about, when he said he was in Cambodia on Christmas Day.

Water under the bridge, though. Like Jimmy Carter, he had a distinguished military career, one eminently worthy of my respect and admiration. But he was wrong about practically everything else.

I think Republicans have ruined the entire military experience thing for a few decades. It wasn't that long ago (two years) you people were dissing Iraq vets for just running for office as Democrats.

Thanks, fellows. Please understand that the vets were I live haven't forgotten your peculiar brand of crap.

Oops--I didn't mean to do that. I don't even know how to do it--sorry about that last post.

When Biden shows complete contempt for people who did volunteer by lying them into a war he couldn't be bothered to plan, he'll be as bad as Cheney.

Until then its apples and oranges.

But its totally different then Cheney.

Let's remember to close out our Italic tags people.

You're welcome

There is no equivalence. Who would care one bit about Cheney's deferments had he not been out there, every day, beating the drum for war, creating his own intelligence agency to manufacture a case for war? Who lied, constantly and changed FEAR FEAR FEAR?

Cheney's actions, in light of his past are what earned him his well deserved ridicule.

Good job RTAH.

chanted*

It'll be interesting to see if this story has any legs. The R's tossed "draft dodger" into every mention of Bill Clinton when he ran against Bush. As hard as the D's tried to make an issue of W's Guard record and Dick Cheney's deferments, the media and public didn't seem to care anymore. Now, with McCain in the race, Vietnam matters again.

Personally, I think the time to lick old wounds has passed.

Um Yav... Joe Biden was all for war back in 2003...

Guess his dad couldn't get him into the Scranton AG.

Gonna be hard for the Righties to criticize him and for the lefties to defend him. Thankfully, like Palin, he's not at all important, right McSameys?

Um Yav... Joe Biden was all for war back in 2003...

Rob, I know what Biden's position was. I was very specific in what I wrote.

Cheney's actions, in light of his past are what earned him his well deserved ridicule.

#25 | Posted by YAV

Then given Biden's position on the war and continual deferments why are you handing him his well deserved ridicule?

Rob, I'm not going to argue with you over what you hear in your head when you read what I write.

With so little of our Military represented in our current population, there will never again be the gravitas connected with military service that our parents gave previous candidates.

In previous generations, a conscript military was the great equalizer of the citizenry. (Think Hawk Eye, Radar, and Col Potter...et al)

The responsibility to serve was shared universally by all male citizens back then. A Politicians' military resume was examined by all,it was important because voters had the common and personal experience in the military because it was a national commonality.

With the Volunteer Armed Forces and mercinary forces used to fight our interventions today, the average citizen will never sacrifice a chapter of his/her life in defense of America; to serve in our military service and will no longer be expected of elected officials.

This is not to say that future leaders will not come from military backgrounds, they certainly will; but this will most likeley be the last presidential election where a lack of military resume will be even a side issue.

Leave it to Rob.

Leave it to Rob.

#36 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Oh come on... you can't just relax for a second a laugh at the ridiculousness of that post. calm down...

What is it in my post that suggests a lack of calm, Rob?

You and your guys are predictable...when you have nothing left to say you start tossin penises around like the word has comedic or intellectual merit.

Newsflash.

Not for about the last 20 years has an audience twittered with nervous giggles at the nonsequitor mention of a penis.

Unless you are talking about Ann Coulter's penis that is.

See how that works Rob? you have to tie it around an irony.

spin spin spin

With that many deferments, he should be pulling in lots of republican votes.

Um Yav... Joe Biden was all for war back in 2003...

#29 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

The right keeps saying that, but it's blatantly false.

Bush told Biden to his face he wouldn't use the authorization as an excuse go to war - that it was to hold a hammer over Saddam's head so the the UN could do their inspection work.

Liar.

(Liar.....to use your term for when someone posts something patently false)

I love this. You libs were all over Bush and Cheney for this and now it is ok?

"Well, your guy did it so it is ok that our guy did it" GROW UP.

You can't have it both ways. You sound like children "Mommy, Bobby did it too".

With the Volunteer Armed Forces and mercinary forces used to fight our interventions today, the average citizen will never sacrifice a chapter of his/her life in defense of America; to serve in our military service and will no longer be expected of elected officials.

34 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2008-09-01 11:18 AM

What mercinary forces?

Maybe I missed something, but if Biden has asthma, then he gets the deferment, right? Did cheney have asthma?

No asthma for darth vader, he was just a class A puss. Just like shrub. Plus shrub was/is a coke head.

"Well, your guy did it so it is ok that our guy did it" GROW UP.

You can't have it both ways. You sound like children "Mommy, Bobby did it too".

#43 | Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-09-01 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, and both sides are doing it. It seems the number one debate point around here is "Yeah, well... the *other party* did the same thing here!"

It's sad.

It is very sad indeed.

just because i had my head up my ass when i volunteered to extend my enlistment for nam doesn't make me look down
at draft dodgers. however, the few i ran into seem to want to be the one giving orders and will be forever clueless as to how to soldier

The right keeps saying that, but it's blatantly false.

Bush told Biden to his face he wouldn't use the authorization as an excuse go to war - that it was to hold a hammer over Saddam's head so the the UN could do their inspection work.

Liar.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Maybe its because in this day an age, pretty much everything everyone in politics has ever said and done is recorded in every possible way. Biden's words on Hussein and Iraq are well documented.

He was all for war...

Cheney was derided for years for his deferments, Biden got the same, what constitutes a National Emergency IN 1968? Weren't we fighting in VIETNAM? This is a fucking JOKE, you'll find any excuse to find fault with a Republican, then give a PASS to the Democrat?

What goes around, comes around, live with it! You and your stupidity started it all! Standards are standards, you hold one to them, the need for balance is, you hold the others to the same level of accountability!

There are, and were people in the services WITH Asthma at that time, and currently, it's called LIMITED duty assignments, both stateside and overseas! They are filling a need in each branch of service. It is kind of convenient, his going straight from school into the Senate tho!

Like a race car that is built for just ONE function?

Biden had asthma? Try that one on for size.

His first deferments were while he was in college, he had young children by '66

It wasn't some boil on his ass like Rush

It is kind of convenient, his going straight from school into the Senate tho!

DOGEN

He graduated from law school in '68. 'Straight into the Senate' (1973)?

Has anyone yet mentioned the fact that American involvement in Vietnam was totally stupid pretty much from the get-go?

That it was a terrible waste of life on both sides that never should have been waged?

Just Spud, eh?

Vietnam was a totally unjust and unneccessary war that proved nothing and hurt America's image globally.

Kinda like Iraq, in fact.

Who cares who got out of it, by now?

Cheney's five deferments were brought up and justaposed with his Chickenhawk stance that started new unneccessary wars and threatened others.

That context is simply inapplicable to Biden.

Spud realises that that level of nuance is lost on the average DR rightie but Spud is still feel it neccessary to put it out there in the ether at least once.

Silly Spud.

Be Well.

Anyone who COULD get out of being drafted way back then GOT OUT. That is just the way it was. Those who were either not alive then or were not of draft age then do not understand. I don't hold it against anyone - and I mean anyone - who got deferments if they could. Who in their right mind WANTS to go die in a rice paddy for a cause no one understood???

Big deal--there were many deferments.

Clinton got them Cheney got them.

Just be consistent as some folks on here bash Cheney over the head but not Biden.

You can deflect that Vietnam was a POS war now--but why not apply that same argument over Cheney?

Same with Kerry--He went to Vietnam. Bush served the National Guard. They did their part.

So Biden was for the war and had deferments--so what.

Anyone who COULD get out of being drafted way back then GOT OUT. That is just the way it was. Those who were either not alive then or were not of draft age then do not understand. I don't hold it against anyone - and I mean anyone - who got deferments if they could. Who in their right mind WANTS to go die in a rice paddy for a cause no one understood???

56 | Posted by DawnGlo at 2008-09-01 02:49 PM

So, that makes it alright because everyone did it?

You can deflect that Vietnam was a POS war now--but why not apply that same argument over Cheney?
Posted by MURPHY

Because that's not the argument. The idea is that Cheney was very eager to send others to die when he was too much of a puss to go himself. Show me where Biden is pushing for endless war and you'll have a case.

Bush served the National Guard.
Posted by MURPHY

The same thing in my book. It's intellectually dishonest to say he didn't use the NG so he could avoid combat, yet he is sending Gaurdsmen to die every day.

It makes it reasonable, because many knew that the war was a dumb war. The offensive ones are those who approved of the Vietnam war but still got out of it, even after being drafted.

What you missed (natch)is that when Vermin said it was 8:38 the post read 9:38. You'd have to be aware of Vermin's math problems to keep up to speed.

But, please, keep on chugging.

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-09-01 10:25 AM | Reply

Geez, you really are an unpleasant drunk when you start before noon.

What you missed (dipshit) is that the timestamp on the post is EDT because Rogers lives in Florida. I mentioned the time at CDT. Who gives a fuck what time zone you're in? You're just another creaky old drunk racing to your grave, and spewing misery til then.

You know that you're an idiiot about the timstamp, of course. I'm sure you woke up with your vomit all over your shirt and it occured to you.

You're just desperately grasping at anything. What a loser. One more time now, try and preserve some veil of dignity. Stop posting when you are drinking.

He graduated from law school in '68. 'Straight into the Senate' (1973)?

#54 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-09-01 02:07 PM | Reply

Incapable of supporting his deferrment babies -- even with a law degree -- Biden did what any lazy attorney would do: he became a Democrat politician

Biden did what any lazy attorney would do: he became a Democrat politician

#62 | Posted by vernon

And you did what any red blooded American who thinks things are fine here under Bush would do when you couldn't find a job that paid enough - move to Taiwan.

According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam.

Documents provided by the Obama campaign indicate Biden received a classification questionnaire in October 1963, when he was enrolled at the University of Delaware, and received his first 2-S student deferment a month later. Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University.

Then in April 1968, when he was 25, Biden was disqualified from service due to asthma.

Disqualified for "teenage asthma" at 25? With no mention of it any other time? Yup. He's a chickenhawk POS.

The truly funny thing about this thread is that the Lefties expended so much hot air for years defending Clinton, Algore, Kerry, etc., on their pathetic military backgrounds.

Now, the same bunch of dwarves want Republicans and Conservatives to do the same thing. But nobody is taking the stupid bait.

A deferrment is a deferrment, regardless of party affiliation, and in Vietnam everyone gamed the system if they could.

Cheny had other priorities, Bush got into the National Guard, Rush Limbaugh had a sore butt, Algore was a 'journalist' with a body guard, Kerry manipulated Purple Heart rules and John Edwards was at the beauty salon.

And now Biden didn't have to turn his head to cough.

What's funny is that the self-righteous Left is now having to face the fact that their various chosen ones are just like Dick Cheney.

Sorry, Vermin, but what your broken down, sorry old ass doesn't get is the fact you finally realized--there's more than one time zone in the US. That's why your original post was absurdly funny and kinda of pathetic. Like you, Vermin.

"It's only 8:38 am in the US.
Posted by vernon at 2008-09-01 09:38 AM |"

It was, as you perhaps now realize, Vermin, 8:38 and some other times in the US. It may've been 8:38 from whatever place you were using as a frame of reference, but that's not the entire country, Vermin.

Sorry you don't quite grasp that.

But that's the difference between the infantile I'm-at-the-center-of-it-all perception and the broader awareness that comes with maturity.

But, please, keep trying. No matter how many pratfalls you experience--and in your case, that's a lot of pratfalls--one of these days you might achieve a breakthrough.

I like Joe because if he were Prez, he would be an Israel firster!

Joe Biden Is a Key Fighter in Dissolving Bush's 'Terror' Myths

By Andy Worthington, AlterNet. Posted August 24, 2008.

Biden doesn't have clean hands when it comes to Iraq, but he's been a leader in re-establishing the rule-of-law in Bush's terror war.
In the end, then, it came down to this: Barack Obama needed a vice-presidential candidate with well-established Washington credentials, foreign policy experience and an ability to connect with blue-collar workers.

Draft dodging fuck........

Besides asthma I have also heard he had a yeast infection.

The left thinks the rights' politicians are scum, the right thinks the lefts' politicians are scum - NEWS PEOPLE: They are mostly all lawyers so they are mostly ALL SCUM!

Another way to put is is "My scum is better than your scum" - Big LOL All The Way

Translation: I love penis

#35 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Does you wife know?

Did Joe ever get rid of the yeast infection?

VERY FUNNY

Just what we need for Commander in Chief another draft dodger like Clinton. Flop Ears talks tough but lost all the scuffles in the Freshmen Dorm where he was known as "The Chopstick Boy" because he was so skinny. What a pair!

I'll take the war hero and the moose hunter when the Russians get frisky.

Good for Biden. Everyone of my dad's friends did everything they could to get out of that fucked up war. And look, now we outsource to Vietnam and communist China. Didn't mean a thing, did it?

And how old do you have to be to care about Vietnam? I'm 31 and couldn't give a shit who dodged and who didn't. Nobody I know cares either, it's a dying issue.

NORM,

Shirking ones resposibility can be habit forming. Look at Clinton's record. I bet your dad and his friends are a real bunch of fucked up losers too.

I'll take the war hero and the moose hunter when the Russians get frisky.

#76 | Posted by fwthom
* * * *

Don't be so sure. Given the choice between having to pull troops out of the Caucasus, or hearing windbags like Biden go on and on and on, bloviating endlessly primarily about himself--my money's on the Russians doing anything to make him shut the hell up. Can you imagine, being locked in the same room as Joe Biden, for hours on end?

Godalmighty.

I'll take the war hero and the moose hunter when the Russians get frisky.

Russians shoot back whereas Moose don't

I'd be impressed if she took down a moose with a Bowie knife, but with a high powered weapon with a scope from a 100 yards not at all.

NORM,I'm glad for you that your dad was a coward and refused to fight for his country. Put that on his tombstone: "COWARD".

Most of us, when we had a draft didn't get to choose whether we agree with a war or not. Some other young men went to fight instead of your dad and his friends. Put that on his tombstone too: "SOMEONE ELSE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR ME"

You can make up for it though. Go see a recruiter.

Fighting and dying for nothing isn't courageous, it's fucking stupid. Vietnam wasn't a threat to our national security, history has proven that.

A real patriot realizes that he only has one life to give for his country, so if he gives it, it'd better damn well matter. A patriot also realizes that a life isn't something to be callously tossed away.

That you would have had my father die for nothing rather than raise a family says everything for why you warmongers need to be driven as far from power as possible.

Put that on his tombstone too: "SOMEONE ELSE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR ME"

#83 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-09-01 09:35 PM | Reply

Seems to fit nicely on Bushs and Cheneys tombstones.

hey some people have asthma, some people have boils on their asses, and some people have "more important things to do"

I love the efforts to paint Bush's ANG service as somehow hiding out.

Never mind the fact that flying any fighter jet (but especially an archaic one) is dangerous and takes great skill.

Vietnam was not the only military engagement of the era. We had millions of people stationed in Europe and the Far East as part of the Cold War.

Reservists and Guardsmen (especially pilots) rotated through Vietnam frequently. The only one who did not were considered to have haardous duty already: Texas ANG had to patrol to area approaching Cuba, just as Alaska patrolled areas near Russia.

To call someone a coward for ANG duty is either disengenuous or simply ignorant. A lot of people served stateside and at other locations.

To call someone a coward for ANG duty is either disengenuous or simply ignorant.

~Vern

To call a "fortunate son" like Dumbya a coward (and a coke head and silver spoon sucking bastard) fer using his family connection to get out of going to 'Nam by getting TANG duty is merely to be accurate and truthful.

His boozing and coke snorting left him unfit to qualify fer his medical exam which he avoided in order to avoid getting found out.

Ordinarily yopu'd get in trouble fer that kinda thing but not Dumbya. He got to go help out in a political campaign in lieu of service and never got reamed fer avoiding his exam.

A son of privilege and a coward.

Deal with it, Vern.

Be Well.

/Let ya get the last word in on that on Vdawg.
//Spud is too seepy to see properly and thus bedways is bestways.
///Exiting that bubbling bastion of free speech and virtual repository of the greatest ham sammiches known to man, the Drudge Retort, as ya do,
stage left.

Seems to fit nicely on Bushs and Cheneys tombstones.

#85 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-09-02 12:04 AM | Reply

Or Bidens's, right ColumbusCrackpot?

Military experience, schmilitary experience. It grows less significant every day, the fact that you merely donned a uniform once. In all the political discussions with people even twenty years my senior (I'm mid-20s) nobody mentions military service, except when the liberals complain about McCain's relentless overuse of the POW card.

Try to make this an issue, it still doesn't mean shit about the future of our country. It's another lame character assassination attempt, just like trying to play "McCain's running-mate's 17y.o. daughter is pregnant" against the old guy.

At least his daughter didn't get knocked up. -The Left

Spud is once again ignorant, what a surprise. He needs to attend to his still and not politics. As Rove said "Biden is a blow hard Dufus" and weaseled out of military service for coke nose. Enough said, no more reason to dwell on it.

Spud is once again ignorant, what a surprise

DITTO

If Shoemaker Joe Biden ever becomes Commander-in-Chief he can always tell Al Quaeda or the Russians that he refuses to fight or confront them because he still has a deferment-(4-F).

"Cheney's five deferments were brought up and justaposed with his Chickenhawk stance that started new unneccessary wars and threatened others. That context is simply inapplicable to Biden."

Biden voted yes on authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Do you think before you type?

5-deferment-Cheney masterminded the great lie that led to botching the pursuit of Bin Laden and to the debacle of international strategy that became the Iraq War.

5-deferment-Cheney has decided that the best way out of Iraq and Afghanistan is to double up -- to double the population and geographic theater of US military actions in CENTCOM by blockading and/or attacking Iran. To gain diplomatic support, VP has continued his aggressive distribution of vinegar against anyone with a doubting mind. Way to go Mr. VP Chickenhawk!

Let's see Mary Cheney volunteer on the front-lines of Mr. VP Chickenhawk's next aggressive war.

"Maybe I missed something, but if Biden has asthma, then he gets the deferment, right? Did cheney have asthma?"

Posted by midiman

Acording to Biden's son, Joe Biden was a star football player in high school and a life guard.

He must have developed asthma rather suddenly.

Cheney masterminded the great lie that led to botching the pursuit of Bin Laden.

#94 | Posted by townncountry at 2008-09-02 03:18 PM

Please explain in detail with proveable evidence.

Biden voted yes on authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Do you think before you type?

#93 | Posted by JOE at 2008-09-02 02:14 PM

C'mon Joe, Vizzini has never been much for facts: not only did Biden vote for the authorization, but facilitated the purported "lies" that got us into this war in the first place...

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: "Hes a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world."--

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: "Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power."--

Did draft dodging joe ever get rid of that yeast infection that kept him out of the draft?

Bidens just as bad as Cheney, and even more inept. Hell, I'd bet that Biden couldn't convince somebody that he shot in the face that it was their fault.

Proof of Cheney lying!? Hahaha! Thanks for asking.

Biden is somewhat of a miracle worker, after managing to get "teenage asthma" when he was 25, after 5 deferments to already avoid service. Amazing how it didn't show up in his original physical (you know, when he was 18?), or else he would have already been disqualified from service, instead of having to continually avoid service by getting those deferments. Pathetic.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-09-02 04:51 PM

Before embarrassing yourself any further, do yourself a favor and conduct some research into "Adult-Onset Asthma."

Then start looking into how asthma can come and go.
Even you might learn something, Cookie.

and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

Do me a favor and read why he was disqualified. Nothing about "adult-onset" is there. If he had "asthma as a teenager" it would have showed up at 18 (eight-teen), or is your brain so broken you're not getting this?

Nevermind....

"According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam."

Asthma would've played no role at all in obtaining student deferements.

But never mind...

As more details emerge from teh shadows, one has to ask why GW Bush never initiated an impeachment of Dick Cheney or asked him to resign. Check this out:

I'll take the war hero and the moose hunter when the Russians get frisky.

Who's the war hero?

I'll take the war hero and the moose hunter when the Russians get frisky.

Who's the war hero?

Sad...really really sad.

So you guys rape and pillage Cheney..but give Biden a pass with his "ashma" (when you can see he never really had any).

To counter the argument DSpud comes up with "well the Vietnam war was unjust and unnecessary" (I guess all the people that died in re-education in Vietnam - and with the Camare Rouge in Cambodia after we left - would argue that point - oh - and the anti-war statements that keyed up the populace of all the so call US babykillers - turned out to be completely false).

You go after Palin because her kid is going to have a child - but say that Michelle Obama radically anti-america statements are off limits.

Palin is deemed with no experience but she has been making executive decisions for over 2 years and Obama ...well he got elected.

I guess when you get down to it the real difference is Lawyers and Real People.

EVERY DEM THAT HAS RUN FOR PRESIDENT has been a lawyer....where every Republican has has a real job. So..if you are on the left - supporting business, creating jobs, serving your country is for schmucks that do not know how to manipulate the system.

Sad...really Sad