The only one that I could maybe give a crap about is the California parental notification one. A child should have to get parental or gaurdian consent to have a medical procedure.

We should change from "Birthday's" to "Point Of Inception Day's"

Kids all over the country will hear;

Happy Point Of Inception Day to you!
Happy Point Of Inception Day to you!
Happy Point Of Inception Day, Dear...
Happy Point Of Inception Day to you!

I am for parental notification.

...a ban on abortion except for rape, incest or threat to the woman's health

She's even against THAT caveat.

McCain is just shooting craps figuring he won't win anyway. God forbid he does making such a reckless decision as to put this mayor on the ticket.

This is not a States Rights Issue and should not even be on the ballot. Roe v. Wade was taken up by the Feds and therefore does not fall under the states right clause of the constitution.

What is it with people? They act like the south won the civil war!

LOL. Dumpling's funny.

The law says we have a right to suck the brains out of kids, or cut off their limbs. That we have the right to kill them as we see fit. Why do people have to go and try and change that? Why can't they just let us have our fun?

You right wing idiots are fools.

You think making abortion illegal will stop abortions?

In the last years before Roe vs Wade more than 10,000 women a year died from botched abortions in the U.S.

Hell, Palin's against it even when the mother's life is threatened.

So much for 'pro-life'.

PHYSICAL ABORTION IS MEDIEVAL....plain and simple.... we have pills.... patches and other alternatives....why do we have to resort to such a outdated practice......executions have moved past the medieal practice of chopping off heads

if you claim to be a progressive....then you really need to progress past physical abortions...unless your such a partisan hack you can not see past politics

I'm sure the coat hangar industry is thrilled.

In Korea and China it is traditional to say that a person is one year old when they come out of the womb. Even going back thousands of years they knew that a human being was growing inside the womb, after conception.

Ironically abortion is leagal in both countries but at least they have the honesty to call abortion "taking out the baby".

Libs who love abortion should have the same courage and honesty to call abortion what it really is: "getting rid of the baby" or "murdering the baby" instead of "a woman's choice".

It seems to me that Hitler also had various "clean" ways to describe what he was up to as well. Bottom line: Unborn Babies are being Killed, and I hope, the mothers who are going in for this 'treatment' end up feeling guilty about it for the rest of their lives. However long their miserable lives may be.

I don't care what the people of South Dakota decide and Colorado's measure is extreme but the parental notification ballot initiative California should be passed.

People who claim that it protects pregnant children from parental overreaction are speaking for maybe 5% of pregnant teens at the most at the expense of 95% of the families/parents who are going to help their child make the best choice given the circumstances since they have a lot more savoir-faire about life than any 12 to 17 year old could ever dream of.

Parents have an inherent right to provide guidance for their own children without the courts and abortion clinics making an end-run around their authority.

"A woman's right to choose" is sort of intransitve, isn't it. Shouldn't it more accurately read something like "A woman's right to choose - to kill her baby?"

After all, that's what she's doing, but those indulging in the killing want to cloak it in euphemisms as if what the object of choice is, is immaterial to what is being done.

Okay now. One. two. Three. You are for "A woman's right to choose "what?" Okay, you are for "A woman's right to kill." The words "to choose" are redundant in the statement.

And yes, abortions may still occur, but they'll be reduced in number. Saving lives is a laudable enterprise. Abortion clinics are big business. These degenerates kill for money. They are worse than gunsels, hired hit men, since their victims are particularly vulnerable.

The abortion butchers of humans certainly disclose their venality with their opposition to laws that would require them to provide help to those infants who survived their attempts at butchery, infants they would leave to writhe in agony, suffer, and die.

Let's see. you take a 12 year old child and delegate to a stranger, full control over a decision that is made, excluding the parents. Why? Well, the stranger is concerned regarding the well-being of the pregant child, while the parents are not. That's the dogma. And the killing of the baby and its continuing effect on the pregant child, who will live in a home with the parents unaware of the trauma, is minimized. No support is available in the home as the parents don't know that their child suffered trauma. The psychological damage to the pregnant child just dismissed as secondary to the exalted work of the abortionists in the abortion world.

Got it. The strangers are motivated by ideology and "money," as the abortion industry does not perform the work gratis. The abortion butcher, and others working with him, are compensated.

The butchers, of course, are occupying the moral high ground. Ask them.

The extent of the portended "inconvenience of the birth" to the family is not a factor as the family is not consulted, and guidance is provided exclusively by those who benefit psychologically and/or financially from having the baby slaughtered.

Is the rapist ever called to answer? Not by the baby killer community. The rapist, actual or statutory, has his identity concealed by complicit participants in a money-making enterprise.

How did we sink this low as a society?

The problem is, when they say they want the right to choose, they are talking about not their body, but the babies body. Too bad the kid doesn't have the same rights.

As far as beginnings, at what point does the "soul" enter? God's up in Heaven, eying the process closely, and then "ah, soul!"

I can't really take a man's voice on the issue of abortion seriously. Bitch about it as much as you want, dudes, sorry. This is something only women should have a strong opinion about.

This is, and forever should be, a States Rights issue, along with Gay Marriage requirements, laws! NO Federal intervention, unless state law does not exist!

The butchers, of course, are occupying the moral high ground. Ask them.

#15 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-08-30 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are filth, Johnson. Filth. Abortion is a procedure that women always, always, ALWAYS have chosen when the circumstances dictated it's necessity. They always, always, ALWAYS will. The only thing it being legal or not has EVER changed is the healthcare available to the woman who is going to get the abortion whether YOU want it or not.

If you get your way, abortion does not go away. History has proven that. But if you get your way, instead of JUST a baby dying, the woman does also. You are disgusting.

Let me explain something to you: the ONLY abortion any man needs to have ANY say on, is that of the fetus he, PERSONALLY, helped create. Otherwise, you're just trying to take something that's already bad and making it worse. The world isn't black and white, it's shades of grey and problems have to be dealt with in steps. You can't wave a wand and make things stop just because you think things are "wrong". They'll still go on, just not in front of you.

Although it would be fitting if it did. If every woman who dies from a botched abortion since they were driven underground was piled onto the doorstep of an antiabortion activist. Stick a sign on her chest that says "When abortion was legal, only one of us would have died." See how that compares to your damned "bloody fetus" on the atrocity level.

Slime.

5,000-10,000 women a year died in the U.S. from botched abortions before Roe vs Wade.

If toerags like Penisboy Johnson cared one whit about abortion like they claim they would be doing something constructive instead of the inane crap they are currently obsessed with.

I have yet to see ANY of those cunts lift one finger to actually prevent abortions in a way that is totally legal and actually very effective. Preventing unwanted pregnancies!!!

These assclown (all of them) do NOTHING on that front. They give limp lip service to 'abstinence' but scream bloody murder if someone offers up free condoms or actual family planning services.

These losers can't actually believe that abstinence works, can they? Not if they were ever heterosexual and young, they can't. I am sure the average Evangelical closet-homosexual can certainly imagine that it would be easy. Perhaps some dried-up old skank that never had a pleasant sexual experience in her entire life might imagine it too. But there isn't a red-blooded American male or female that believes abstinence has a hope in hell of being 100% (or even 10%) effective against a raging case of hormones and a half hour of privacy.

What's especially hypocritical about some people's abortion stances are like Palin's. She's also against birth control and condoms - even for married people.

How can you be anti-abortion, anti-sex education, and anti- any and all measures that would prevent the unwanted pregnancies from occurring in the first place? Putting aside being willing to offer assistance to babies and mothers of unwanted or unplanned pregnancies after they're born.

I can't wrap myself around that reasoning.

You're 'pro-life' in all stages of life or you are just blowing smoke.

You're 'pro-life' in all stages of life or you are just blowing smoke.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-08-31 01:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it weren't for that niggling oddity, I'd actually consider her the best person in this race right now. And you gotta admit, at least Palin seems to stick to her guns on not aborting problem babies. She's actually got the credibility in saying what she'd do in that situation.

Even if those guns are a bit.... loopy.. she's got some integrity.

AU, sorry to burst your bubble but your figures are waaaaaaaay too high on the abortion deaths before R v. W. Here are the actual figures;

"For 1960, Vital Statistics attributes 289 deaths to abortion (legal and illegal). In 1968, Vital Statistics reports 859 total pregnancy-related deaths; 133 of the 859 attributed to abortion. By 1972, there were 24 deaths from legal abortions and 39 from illegal abortions (according to the Centers for Disease Control Abortion Surveillance, Annual Summary, 1978)."

Gee, what a source! ????

What difference does it make? In the 'pro-life' community ONE life is too many to lose, riiiiiiight?.

Shit, Palin is against abortion EVEN when the mother's life is at stake.

Wow. What a crowd!

Here's some good old Republican history on the validity of what the right says about abortion from that hero of conservative 'pro-life' people:

Ladies and Gentlemen! I give you MITT ROMNEY:

So AU, you admit that your stat is garbage? I guess the ol' saying is true: "Statistics never lie, but liars use statistics". At least, that's what it sounds like since you failed to refute my post besides attacking the source and not the data (which is backed by the CDC and external documentation).

And what does Mitt Romney have to do with this topic? There's no ballot measure in Mass. and Romney holds no elected office that I know of. Or have you posted your quota of anti-Palin comments for the evening and need to lash out at anything right-wing? Please take a deep breath and try to remain on topic...

Speaking of which - On topic: I think that the CA measure is a good idea. I never understood why minors need parental permission for any treatment except for abortions. I think that by allowing them to be medically treated without parental consent sets a bad precedent and bypasses the child/parent relationship, as well as the parental rights and responsibilities that each and every parent has.

Your 'stats' from some barely functional website hardly qualify you to call mine into question.

Mitt Romney flipped flopped like a banshee on abortion, yet the right took his "I'm a conservative" schtick hook, line, and sinker. Pointing out how blatantly pandering and hypocritical today's 'conservatives' are on the issue of abortion, for example.

"Fiscal Conservatives" LMAO! Record deficits, debt, the largest expansion of government since the New Deal - all under total GOP control.

When the GOP becomes the GNP (Grand NEW Party), perhaps Republicans can expect moderates like me to take what they offer as fact with a grain of salt.

"In the last years before Roe vs Wade more than 10,000 women a year died from botched abortions in the U.S."

"5,000-10,000 women a year died in the U.S. from botched abortions before Roe vs Wade."

Can I get a "1,000-5,000"?

What an idiot.

"Abortion is a procedure that women always, always, ALWAYS have chosen when the circumstances dictated it's necessity. They always, always, ALWAYS will." soheifox

Lets be honest here the majority of abortions performed aren't a necessity they're a convenience. It's extremely doubtful that more than 5% of abortions are due to rape, incest or knowing the fetus has a defect - and that's almost certainly being on the generous side.

BTW I myself am not antiabortion just opposed to promiscuity. Abstinence in in the absence of a long-term monogamous relationship between adults is not an unreasonable goal to thrive for and most certainly is the best direction to point teenagers towards.

PHYSICAL ABORTION IS MEDIEVAL....plain and simple.... we have pills.... patches and other alternatives....why do we have to resort to such a outdated practice......executions have moved past the medieal practice of chopping off heads

if you claim to be a progressive....then you really need to progress past physical abortions...unless your such a partisan hack you can not see past politics