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Thursday, August 28, 2008

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia. "U.S. citizens were indeed in the area in conflict," Putin said. "They were acting in implementing those orders doing as they were ordered, and the only one who can give such orders is their leader."

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A little 'wag the dog' courtesy of the Bush White House?

Putin told CNN his defense officials had told him it was done to benefit a presidential candidate -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are competing to succeed George W. Bush -- although he presented no evidence to back it up.

"U.S. citizens were indeed in the area in conflict," Putin said. "They were acting in implementing those orders doing as they were ordered, and the only one who can give such orders is their leader."

Why did the US get involved in that? Does Georgia have oil or something?

McBush needed a little war to distract the public.

Now the right will just deny, deny, deny and right wing talker will pretend it is all "conspiracy theory" nonsense. It's been obvious since the beginning and every revelation makes it more so.

The US government admits it is arming and training the Georgan governments army. The US Army wants the Russians to give back the Hummers it captured. McCains chief advisor is a paid employ of the Georgan government. "We are all Georgans" according to McCain. The government that has lied about everything says "This is rediculous" Draw your own conclusions.

Either George Bush didn't read Putin's 'soul' correctly, Putin read Bush's just fine and said, "what a moron", or both.

Putin hasn't been a knee jerk politician who just makes inflammatory accusations. He'll certainly be glad when America has a sound leader again.


What Putin is saying is correct, but it's not the whole truth. The whole truth is that this whole thing was planned out in advance with Bush and Putins collusion. It benefits Putin too.

See the blog i just posted on american false flag operations. that's what this was.

"It benefits Putin too."

That had occurred to me as a possibility though if you believe Gorbachev it's not probable.

That had occurred to me as a possibility though if you believe Gorbachev it's not probable.

Posted by danni

If it were true, what would you say if you were gorbachev? the same thing.

I just don't believe Putin is in on some Rovian deal to help McCain. He doesn't need to be, his power is secure.

He got that idea from the America haters on the Drudge Retort.

Why did Georgia so vehemently request NATO support when they aren't a member of NATO? Because they were told take South Ossetia and we'll bring you NATO support. Kinda like the Kurds being told to revolt in Iraq and we'll support them in the early 90's.

We were training troops with our military one week before Georgia started shit with Russia and got their ass kicked.

Is there anything concrete here? Not really...but there is more than enough to encourage the media to throughly investigate. They won't of course...we had a car run into the Playboy Mansion gates for Christ's sake!

"Kinda like the Kurds being told to revolt in Iraq and we'll support them in the early 90's."

An apt analogy.

It would be one thing if we had an administration which had not lied in the past in similar circumstances....but we don't.

Credibility...a valuable asset after all.

"He got that idea from the America haters on the Drudge Retort."

Posted by goatman at 2008-08-28 03:54 PM


YEAH!

There you go again goat!

Confusing a critique of a leaders-- performance with a love for an entire country!

Youre such a fucking fool. No wonder you just a mudman!


I just don't believe Putin is in on some Rovian deal to help McCain.

Posted by danni

It's not about helping mccain. i.e. it does help mccain, but this whole thing is about oil, again.

2 oil terminals in the 'disputed' region. russia has new found oil and lots of it. russia has no warm water port. that oil money is breathing new life back into russia but the peasants thinks it putins warmth and charm that is bringing them back.

Putin would love to consolidate some power in russia with him as the head of that power.

that's what this is all about. also, georgia is in prime position to take some bribery for good behavior.

Kim Jong Il... Mugabe... Than Shwe.... all bad.

Putin is smarter, but despite making it to Time's cover magazine, he will be remembered as someone with too big an ego and cravings for control. He is misleading Medyedev.

I used to drive through Georgia on my way to spring break in Panama City.
-- John McCain

Man, the paranoia runs deep.

I think Bushco thought the Russian would back down on this one.... Suprise!

The scary thing is that the insane neocons with their finger on the button have brought us closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban missile crisis. And most people don't even realize it.

I also think those crazy bastards want to set off WW3 just to distract the peoples attention away from the major fuck ups with the economy, which is on the verge of collapse, and the war, which is a dismal failure.

The US Army wants the Russians to give back the Hummers

I don't think you can return a hummer. Larry Craig or Jeff gannon would be happy to pass it on, but still...

Putin: US Orchestrated Georgian War

Obama: US Orchestrated Georgian War

Biden: US Orchestrated Georgian War

Kerry: US Orchestrated Georgian War

DailyKOS: US Orchestrated Georgian War

Olbermann: US Orchestrated Georgian War

Anybody here want to sound like an echo?

One of the biggest peice of shit NEOcons William Kristol once remarked, "What's the point of having nukes, if you don't use them.".

You know, the sad thing is - it's probably true. I would not put anything past those scumbags in the White House.

That's not the way the UN the Eu and the rest of the free world sees it, dr left excluded.....

this is a Reverend Wright moment. I hate to say it but history, as recent as the iraq war, has shown us that our government is fully capable of such acts. And...it was all just too convinient how of all people to qoute in the middle of a war, Georgias president was qouting John McCain. We will never know what actually took place but I would not totally discount Putin's words either.

....and yet where are the network and cable troglidites on this? Lying their fucking asses off. Most people in this country never hear anything else.

Most people in this country never hear anything else

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Except for the people of Drudge who know the inner workings of every conspiracy.

Hey Jeff the Dane...so true about Kristol and the rest of the Neocons. And god save us if Lieberman is thrown onto the Repub ticket. Does anybody on this site think that any Jew in office is for the interests of the US?!?! I got a bridge to sell you if you do. The powerful Jewish cabal(Neocons) are taking this country down....fast. Come on people, wake up!! This election is not about black and white, right or wrong..its about keeping McCain out of office cause we all know he's knee deep in Neocon shit. I just found out that my constituents (like Schumer and Lowey) are hardcore Neocons. This isnt paranoia...this is real. People like Mort Zuckerman, Perle, Wolfowitz, Kristol, etc, etc are the real criminals. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Be proactive people, find out if your local pols are working with AIPAC or working for you.

As a rule I don't abide conspiracy theories, but there are far too many 'coincidences' here.

Rice, Rove, McCain's Georgian-bribed lobyist, the way Georgia cried immediately for reinforcements even though they started it. The way McCain rushed to Georgia's side with his "We're all Georgians" bullshit. Seriously, what the fuck was that? I'm an American.

No, right up until Russia told McCain to go fuck himself, it was a neocon wet dream to manufacture a crisis and have McCain rush in and save the day.

But it ended like all neocon creations end - badly.

And that is why I will never, ever again vote for a neocon.

Right, Georgia attacked South Ossetia in the same way that that Czechoslovakia attacked Germany so that Germany could justify the invasion of the that country and seize the Sudetenland, where the Czechs were claimed to be mistreating the Germans. The Russians in South Ossetia were being mistreated according to the Putin story. Putin learned from Hitler.

Really, the Russians are there threatening a country of some 6,000,000, and of course, the little country engaged in provocative aggression to provide the Russians with putative justification. Makes sense to a lefty.

It surely makes sense to those who credit KGB operative Putin with any scruples.

The prompt deployment of Russian forces, of course reinforces Putin's story. It takes no time at all to position your forces for such an attack on the Georgians.

Hey, we intervened in Kosovo, took the territory away from Serbia for some reason that's not readily apparent, while Russia stood by and watched helplessly. Payback. But the contrived story that accompanies the Georgia invasion and seizure of Georgian territory is just too difficult to swallow.

Give it a rest, Putin.

Isn't it amazing how Putin in his new position remains the foremost power, while his protege, the titular head, is just "present."

Okay, next what major power is going to be attacked by a minor force, which recognizes that it has no support available.

Is Russia planning to seize Ukrainian ports in the Crimea? Perish the thought. I wonder if the "attack justification" will be used, or if blatant aggression will suffice.

Leftists lament: I believe you Mr. Putin because I wouldn't put anything beyond a Bush "wag the dog" scenario. (After all, it worked for Clinton.) You Mr. Putin, are a paragon of virtue. Mr. Putin, why are you trying to influence the U.S. election? Do you want to put a naive incompetent weakling in control? Why are you trying to help Obama? Why would you prefer Obama as President? Oh? You think that he'd forsake U.S. interests? Good grasp of the situation.





Posted by Redsoxfan at 2008-08-28 10:15 PM

I just found out that my constituents (like Schumer and Lowey) are hardcore Neocons.

Your constituents? I suppose that paranoia can create and declare belief in any fantasy. In what overriding political unit do you hold office, the one in which these two, Schumer and Lowey, are your "constituents?" Most of us aren't aware of its existence, but then if you're a conspiracy theorist, or have constructed a world according to your own imagination, and conferred powers upon yourself, so be it.,

I remember demonstrations in mental institutions displaying people with paranoid delusions of persecution or grandeur. You find that your constituents (Schumer and Lowey), now that's the grandeur part, are persecuting you also. That's a two-fer. Congratulations. By the way, that makes you very very important.

I suppose that it's in the water. Who knows. I just can't keep up with the fantasies that constitute reality for some of you folks nowadays.

Egad! Your constituents? You are the "ruler" of what entity, and your "powers" are what? I can't wait to hear your whole story if you elaborate it.

"I remember demonstrations in mental institutions displaying people with paranoid delusions of persecution or grandeur. "

I'll bet you do.

I wonder if Obama thinks that Georgia is the 57th state, among those admitted after Alaska and Hawaii. Psychotic break time is nigh.

"Right, Georgia attacked South Ossetia in the same way that that Czechoslovakia attacked Germany so that Germany could justify the invasion of the that country and seize the Sudetenland, where the Czechs were claimed to be mistreating the Germans. The Russians in South Ossetia were being mistreated according to the Putin story. Putin learned from Hitler."

Nice story line too bad it is factually incorrect.
Fact is Georgia DID attack Ossetia, a semi-autonomous region of Georgia which did not want to be a part of Georgia and conveniently was important to Russia. The story isn't simple, it isn't Georgia good; Russia bad nor is it Russia good; Georgia bad.
The only true reality is that the United STates has no interest in this mess, it is not, in any way in our nation interest to involve ourselves.
This was, unfortunately and to the shame of John McCain, an attempt to turn a controversy between Russia and Georgia, neither one NATO allies, into some kind of moral imperative for support for Georgia...for purely political purposes...then they got caught..and you notice...they don't say much about it now.
This one event is enough to convince me that I would never, ever vote for an opportunistic son of a bitch like John McCain.

i looked into little georgie's eyes and saw a moron.

"The only true reality is that the United States has no interest in this mess,it is not, in any way in our nation interest to involve ourselves"

OH Yeah LIKE FUCK!!! The Sleazy-Slimy U.S.Govt. Has NO INTEREST in GEORGIA??? Georgia is pivotal geographically for access (for US Corporate Oil Nazis) to the massive oil fields in Turkmenistan.This is the Bush "Illegal" Iraq Invasion all over again!!! Or Bush and his Israeli Govt.MAFIA pals thought so - but the the Big Difference is that Russia and Putin are not easy push_overs for the "Cowardly & Murderous" American and Israeli Govts that Iraq and Saddam were! If Putin is smart the first thing he'll do when the crisis worsens is to "BLOW" Tel Aviv,Israel right off the fucking map!!!

He got that idea from the America haters on the Drudge Retort.

~Das Goat

From the DR Righties?

The pseudo patriots who embrace the unsupportable, unAmerican and quite frankly traitorous policies of Dick Cheney's pet chimp?

Interesting theory, Goat.

On Topic?

Putin sez the Georgian conflict's been orchestrated by BushCo?

Haven't seen any compellnig evidence to that effect yet but...

Certainly wouldn't put it past them.

Be Well.

/Truly gone now.

too many niggers in russia.

How can you ignore what the world press is saying, and all eu governments?

www.france24.com

www.theglobeandmail.com

www.spiegel.de

www.spiegel.de

www.spiegel.de

I could go on and on, but your selective reading habits and hatred for America remind me that....

You can wipe your ass with any dr left poster...NO WAIT they ain't worth SHIT!!!!

Putin hasn't been a knee jerk politician who just makes inflammatory accusations. He'll certainly be glad when America has a sound leader again.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


It looks like he'll have to wait another four years, unless a candidate other than McCain or Obama wins the election (if ya wanna call it an election).

It seems more like an exercise in futility.

Is Brittney Spears involved in any of this is what I want to know. Isn't she from Georgia? Maybe we need to bring our war ships to Alabama, I think I read somewhere in People she's a 'bama girl.

The day started out lovely, I was just scarfing down a bag of Cheetos with my freedom fries when I heard this horrible explosion! I looked out my window and now my house has a flat tire!! I called homeland security but just got a busy signal.

Does anybody out there have a AAA card?

Back to this whole Georgia Smorgia thing. If our leader says that we need to save Georgians and Alabamians from being taken over by some super power that isn't us, I say it's time to get goddamn NEWK-LEE-ER on their damn asses. Okay?

Damn, I just wish y'all would understand that the 'W' is a christian, and if y'all done read your bible every once in awhile, y'all would see that the endtimes are just about here. No call to mess with God y'all!

That damn Washington Communist Post now says that the GOP Party of the Universe in the Twin Cities might be delayed!

"Staging a convention during a major natural disaster would be a public relations challenge for either political party. But GOP officials say the burden could be especially heavy for their party, whose reputation was tarred by the Bush administration's bungling of Katrina and its aftermath in 2005.

A hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico could also cast unwelcome attention on the offshore oil rigs that McCain has championed as a solution to rising gasoline prices -- they are now being evacuated in the face of the coming storm."

Prayer people, prayer......

My Goodness, it is amazing now any of you sheep really believe this. How easily the weak minded are led.

Johnson and Pirate,

Do you guys deny that russia has found new oil?

Do you deny the fact that there are 2 oil terminals in the disputed region?

Do you deny that russia has no warm water port?

Do you deny that you have to physically get the oil from the ground to the refinery?

Do you deny that we have 2 oilmen in our executive?

Do you deny that they lying sacks of shit on more than one occassion?

Do you deny that they have sacrificed american lives for oil?

I know you 2 guys are a little (a lot) thick between the ears, but come on.

Um yeah.... Putin is a gangster. We have zero chance of ever securing any land or resources or ports in Russia's backyard. We haven't even been able to steal Iraq's oil. As stupid as the Bush admistration is, this whole story doesn't make any sense at all.

But let's roll with it anyway.....

Sheesh

Now the right will just deny, deny, deny and right wing talker will pretend it is all "conspiracy theory" nonsense. It's been obvious since the beginning and every revelation makes it more so.

Posted by danni

How can you stand to live here in the US when you feel that way about the country?

Putin sounds like he's reading off the Democratic talking points. Hmmmm, he and they probably sat down and wrote them together.

He got that idea from the America haters on the Drudge Retort.

~Das Goat

From the DR Righties?

"the spud is not read so well"

dethspud


No, spud -- I said, the "American haters". If you came out of your partisian shell for a couple of milliseconds you would know they come from both sides of the political spectrum.

It must really suck to be so blinded by partisianship. You can't really see and understand the real world with blinders on.

We haven't even been able to steal Iraq's oil. As stupid as the Bush admistration is, this whole story doesn't make any sense at all.

Posted by Sully

The purpose is not to steal russias oil, we will gladly pay for it and provide refinery services (which has a much higher profit margin than actually owning or drilling the oil). the purpose is to secure the oil promises and dedication to the oil syndicate.

Think. If we help russia secure the terminals, putin will forever be grateful and a big player in the new oil syndicate.

All we have to do is lie to georgia and pull a double cross. It make us look like saints (because we care so much about georgias suffering) and it makes russia look like it has grown some balls and is on it's way back up from ruin.

Everybody wins except the people that live in the area (just like every other oil area).

"Putin hasn't been a knee jerk politician who just makes inflammatory accusations."

Now Putin is a good guy because him and Bush are no longer 'soulmates'? Putin has had troublesome politicians murdered. But he won't lie? Give me a break.

This thread is a classic example of good guy/bad guy syndrome: "If I believe that Bush is a bad guy then anyone who is involved in any dispute with him must be a good guy....." What a moronic world view.

They are both bad guys. But in this case, Putin is clearly talking out his ass.


"Think. If we help russia secure the terminals, putin will forever be grateful and a big player in the new oil syndicate."

Russia doesn't need our help to secure terminals in their own backyard. Why would they share when they don't need us and don't particularly like us? When have they ever invited anyone to share in resources they consider theirs?

The last thing Russia wants is for the US to gain any kind of foothold in their backyard. Even that missile deal with Poland pissed them off and that system likely doesn't work.

I listened to Biden's speech in between lapses of consciousness, and learned that Barack/Biden plan for Iraq is to withdraw troops from there so that we can "confront" Russia (his words). Which would redefine the word quagmire, IMHO.

Still, it'll be good to see a Democrat in the White House who knows how to talk tough to the Russians. We haven't had such a thing since . . . um . . . well, since Truman I guess.

Vote Democrat! The Cold War Is On Again!!


You really don't get it do you? You think those lines on the map mean anything? You just erase that line and draw it in somewhere else. Problem solved.

The oil resources in and of themselves means nothing to these assholes. If it was beany babies that was in great demand and limited supply, then we would have a war for beany babies.

It's about power and control. who has it, who wants it and who ends up with it. The golden rule; he that has the gold, makes the rules. oil is gold.

This post has caused me to have an insight. I will no longer refer to bush/cheney as stupid. They are fucking geniuses. Anybody that can do the masterful criminal acts that they have done, right in front of peoples eyes, and stay clean and fresh, deserves acknowlegement. The art of their skill is what's so impressive. tweak the press here, throw someone in prison there, next thing you know, you have conscensus.

Al capone, hanibal, the popes who did the crusades, hitler, pol pot, stalin, lenin, causcescu, mugabe, saddam, and bin laden are all smiling today to congatulate the newest member to their exclusive club. Congatulations, dickbush.

Lip - You are still refusing to address the fact that Russia has never shown any interest in sharing resources with anyone - let alone a nation like the US that they consider a major rival. This has especially been true under Putin.

What makes you think they want the US in their backyard sharing resources they consider theirs? (assuming you realize they still consider all ex Soviet states and satellites theirs)

The consistent message from Russia to the US where border conflicts and regional violence is concerned has been "Mind your own fucking business, stay out of our yard...." Putin has been this way all along. I have no idea why you would believe this has changed. They don't need our help or our persmission to overrurn Georgia or any other little pissant border state.

This latest statement by Putin is a warning: If you continue to meddle, we will say you are helping the enmey and we will kill any of your people who are in Georgia.

**** Putin: US Orchestrated Georgian War ****

......silly idea........

......if the US had orchestrated the Georgian War.......

......then Russia would have invaded Armenia, and the war would not have ended in two weeks.......


Lip - You are still refusing to address the fact that Russia has never shown any interest in sharing resources with anyone - let alone a nation like the US that they consider a major rival. This has especially been true under Putin.

This latest statement by Putin is a warning: If you continue to meddle, we will say you are helping the enmey and we will kill any of your people who are in Georgia.

Posted by Sully

Russia wants the area that has the terminals so they can get the oil out of russia without having to deal with the locals. Plus the local people in the dispute area want to be part of russia, not georgia.

Once russia secures the area, they can sell their oil to whoever they want without interference. there will be no 'sharing', there will be buying and selling.

Both sides want you to believe that the US doesn't want Russia to secure the disputed area but the US wants exactly that.

More oil on the general market is better for everyone, especially the companies whose job it is to handle the oil (which are all US and British companies, with a couple of other companies).

The threats are just theatrics.

The purpose is not to steal russias oil, we will gladly pay for it and provide refinery services (which has a much higher profit margin than actually owning or drilling the oil). the purpose is to secure the oil promises and dedication to the oil syndicate.
Think. If we help russia secure the terminals, putin will forever be grateful and a big player in the new oil syndicate.
All we have to do is lie to georgia and pull a double cross. It make us look like saints (because we care so much about georgias suffering) and it makes russia look like it has grown some balls and is on it's way back up from ruin.
Everybody wins except the people that live in the area (just like every other oil area).

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Ah, an intelligent post on this toilet site at last.

Also, it's good for the war pigs. They get more contracts in Poland etc...

Posted by danni at 2008-08-28 11:41 PM

The story isn't simple, it isn't Georgia good; Russia bad nor is it Russia good; Georgia bad.

The only true reality is that the United STates has no interest in this mess, it is not, in any way in our nation interest to involve ourselves.


Danni, please provide me with some historical perspective on such matters since you seem to be in lockstep with those who knock Republican leaders and support Democrat leaders.

Tell us why our intervention in Vietnam was merited. Was the domino theory valid? It seems that Johnson was "disfellowshipped" by the Democrats. Wasn't it Nixon who extricated us from there, although dishonorably sending a message that the U.S. was not persistent, did not have staying power. Oh, and yes, at the time there were some domestic terrorists bombing and killing Americans here in the U.S., and the founder and a leader of the organization was none other than Obama's buddy, domestic anti-American terrorist and bombadier Bill Ayers.

Interesting how the left found a place for him as a faculty member.

Oh, our orchestrated "intervention" against Serbia, bombing the Serbians for 41 days and destroying their infrastructure, including all of their bridges over the Danube. Oh, that was Clinton, "Wag the dog" Clinton? I'm trying to recall the justification for our intervention there in light of your nostrum, "... the United STates has no interest in this mess, it is not, in any way in our nation interest to involve ourselves. What was our "interest" in the Serbian conflict?

Didn't custom and usage under Clinton establish criteria under which to intervene? After all, we are a country with a "Common Law" tradition, very pragmatic. Wasn't Clinton an endowed, er intellectually also, leader, who established principles for his successors to follow?

"Both sides want you to believe that the US doesn't want Russia to secure the disputed area but the US wants exactly that.


More oil on the general market is better for everyone, especially the companies whose job it is to handle the oil (which are all US and British companies, with a couple of other companies)."

That may be true but if we were in cahoots with Putin why would he say so?

Johnson,

You are clueless. Nixon and Kissinger stubbornly bombed the living shit out of Laos and Cambodia all the while lying about it. Kissinger turned Chile into a giant killing field and his man Bremer completely destroyed Iraq. They still can't believe military power will not always prevail over the human spirit.

The Neocons are in charge under Cheney and likely to remain so unless Shrub wakes up from his 7.5 year nap. Jeb, Kissinger, Pearle, Rummy, Wolfy, are all part of the Project for a New American Century. They've never even tried to hide their agenda of total world domination through projection of US military power.

They are committed to worldwide military and economic hedgemony for Israel and the United States. They are surrounding Russia with missiles while talking shit about Iran.

They tried to force Clinton to invade Iraq and succeeded in Serbia. We're not talking a fabulous success story like Charlie Wilson here. These idiots have lost every war they've stuck their nose in while lining their own pockets in the process. They represent the military-industrial-complex Eisenhower warned us about.

They don't hafta win to make money. But taxpayers hafta pay for their crimes.

The worst problem is, since Dubya/Shotgun have been such stupid, insolent asses to the world at large, even if the charges ARE false, and the U.S. is 'completely innocent', nobody will be inclined to give the U.S. the benefit of the doubt.

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