The lone financier of the anti-Obama ad, Texas billionaire Harold Simmons, was also one of the main funders of the Swift Boat Veterans

Because we all know just how truthful those guys are.

Don't worry Barrack, this is going to be a blast. -William Ayers

What is it about mentioning Obama and Ayers in the same sentence that makes the Obama people wanna explode?

Ayers is a homicidal marxist terrorist now?

He was a prep school diletante wannabe who blew up a statue twice and who subsequently had his GF dujour blow herself and a couple other assholes up whilst trying to make a nail bomb.

That's it.

Posted by creepy Canadianpud

This above was an actual defence of Ayers. This is how that third person talking loser describes Ayers and he believes it was favorable.

What is it about mentioning Obama and Ayers in the same sentence that makes the Obama people wanna explode?

Its like kicking over the half-rotten log you've been sitting on all morning and realizing what's been crawling around underneath.

Pinche...good analogy.

They worked closely for years on the Annenberg project but Obama has suppressed that info.

I love how dishonest political types try to tie Obama to the days whe Ayers was a radical when in reality no such tie can be made. Hell the tie to him now is ify. Again, this is all the right has, nothing policy wise, just attempts to tarnish through innuendo.

I love how dishonest political types try to tie Obama to the days whe Ayers was a radical when in reality no such tie can be made. Hell the tie to him now is ify. Again, this is all the right has, nothing policy wise, just attempts to tarnish through innuendo.

Posted by taxman

The problem is, that Ayers is unrepentive about it. He escaped prison due to a technicality, laughs about that and then has the audacity to say that he didn't do enough (in regards to bombing).

If McCain has a similar relationship with this type of asshole, it should come out as well.

Ever hear the phrase, "You can judge a person by the company he keeps."?

Over the years Obama has kept some REALLY shitty company. It's relevant, as much as his supporters wish it wasn't.

"Lefties have to avoid these things...it hurts their heads."

Our little friends just don't want to see ANY warts on their messiah. If it was just one guy, one incident...(shrug.) BUT, when you consider his earlier years with Davis and then later relationships with Ayers, Rezko, Farrakhan, Wright, et al, you'd think a pattern was kinda emerging. You know the old saw....If someone calls you a jackass, ignore him. If a lotta folks are calling you a jackass, go shopping for a saddle. I think The One needs a BIG saddle.

Obama is against free speech.

"The problem is, that Ayers is unrepentive about it. He escaped prison due to a technicality, laughs about that and then has the audacity to say that he didn't do enough (in regards to bombing). "

Not true.

"In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade. "Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "

"The fact that Barack Obama chose to launch his political career at the home of an unrepentant terrorist raises more questions about Senator Obama's judgment than any TV ad ever could," said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers.

Precisely.

Per the leftist style, Obama uses threats and invokes the power of government to try and censor views that run contrary to his own.

Nothing contained within this ad is a falsehood.

If Obama wins in November, come January the very first thing he'll try is to re-enact the "Fairness Doctrine". Can't have pesky, counter-opinions expressed on his watch!

Typical, anti-free speech thug.

"Over the years Obama has kept some REALLY shitty company."

Is there any politician on the national level that hasn't kept shitty company? One doesn't get that big without rolling in some dirt.

Over the years Obama has kept some REALLY shitty company. It's relevant, as much as his supporters wish it wasn't.

Posted by JeffJ

In Obamas defence, he is from Chicago. Hard to find anyone who isn't insane up there.

Um, OK Null.

Did he ever annunciate any regret for his criminal actions?

Did he ever say, "I vehemently opposed our government, but setting off bombs in protest was wrong. I sincerely regret it, in fact, I am ashamed of it."

That would be repentant.

Is there any politician on the national level that hasn't kept shitty company? One doesn't get that big without rolling in some dirt.

2 things:

1. Shitty company is fair-game and is part of the vetting process.

2. Then why in the hell doesn't he shut up with his 'change' bullshit already? He's the prototypical pol, which is fine. However, to claim he's 'different' when he in fact isn't, is stupid.

Null,

Probably just an oversight on your part, but you really should source your quote.

I don't know, Jeff. But this hyperbole about him is absurd. He was nothing more than a glorified vandal. The idea that he was some crazed terrorist killer, the image that the Right is trying to create, is preposterous.

"1. Shitty company is fair-game and is part of the vetting process."

I guess. It just gets tedious when that's all we hear. Our country is fucked because our political discourse is on par with high school level gossip.

"2. Then why in the hell doesn't he shut up with his 'change' bullshit already? He's the prototypical pol, which is fine. However, to claim he's 'different' when he in fact isn't, is stupid. "

Agreed.

just attempts to tarnish through innuendo.

So why all the maneuverings to withhold the info and college transcript? Throw some light on it...put and end to the innuendo. Allow access...what is there to hide?

It's relevant, as much as his supporters wish it wasn't.

It's relevant, but it isn't as big as the right tries to make it. Obama has never condoned any of Ayers actions. The fact is the right is grasping at straws. They know they can't go after Obama on the economy because they know voters are too smart for that, they can't go after him on foreign policy because Bush has bought into Obama's idea on a withdrawl, so they have to try to associate him with questionable characters and then attribute the actions of said questionable characters to Obama. Quite pathetic if you ask me. Actually, it is very pathetic, as is anyone who plays a part in the tactic.

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''....So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

Is Ayers is just a vandal why is Obama trying to stop free speech?

"later relationships with Ayers, Rezko, Farrakhan, Wright,"

What about McCain's relationships with known terrorists like Oliver North, crazy pastors Hagee and Parsley, lobbyists for dictators and terrorists like Charlie Black.

Obama was only a child when this man was around.

So what if he was an influence on him. Just because someone is an influence does not equate them to being that person. Obama is his own person, with his own mind.

Does that mean that if I take solice in the teachings of Buddha, that makes me a Buddist?

Come on, now.

This, as we all know, is simply people pulling at as many straws at they can to discredit Obama. Which, only proves the fear people have about him, and that he is a threat to them.

Maybe it isn't Obama that has the problem, maybe it's the people that can't accept that he is adored by so many.

Jealously is a terrible waste of humanity.

Obama was only a child when this man was around.

So what if he was an influence on him. Just because someone is an influence does not equate them to being that person. Obama is his own person, with his own mind.

Does that mean that if I take solice in the teachings of Buddha, that makes me a Buddist?

Come on, now.

This, as we all know, is simply people pulling at as many straws at they can to discredit Obama. Which, only proves the fear people have about him, and that he is a threat to them.

Maybe it isn't Obama that has the problem, maybe it's the people that can't accept that he is adored by so many.

Jealously is a terrible waste of humanity.

Posted by Oberon

Then Obama shouldn't tyy to stop this from airing.

He was nothing more than a glorified vandal.

Vandals egg peoples' houses.

Vandals soap windows and throw toilet paper into trees.

Vandals sometimes spray-paint graffiti in public areas.

Vandals don't belong to organizations conspiring to overthrow the government. Vandals don't blow shit up.

Weatherman, known colloquially as the Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization, was an American radical left organization. The group, which organized a riot in Chicago in 1969 and bombed buildings in the 1970s, was founded in 1969 by leaders and members who split from the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)....The group's first public demonstration was the "Days of Rage," an October 8, 1969 riot in Chicago that was coordinated with the trial of the Chicago Eight.[3] In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO), and members adopted fake identities and pursued covert activities. They carried out a campaign consisting of bombings, jailbreaks, and riots. Their attacks were mostly bombings of government buildings, along with several banks, police department headquarters and precincts, state and federal courthouses, and state prison administrative offices.[4][5]

What about McCain's relationships with known terrorists like Oliver North, crazy pastors Hagee and Parsley, lobbyists for dictators and terrorists like Charlie Black.

It's fair game. Set up a thread and let's discuss.

On this thread, that is nothing more than a deflection.

Hmm, all of these links are about Ayers, not Obama. Go figure.

Watching the ad, I'm suspect of the quotes they use to show how Obama described Ayers. All it said was "...respectable..." and "...mainstream..." Has anyone seen the full quote instead of two words flanked by ellipsis. The citation on the ad indicates it came from Obama's website but so far the only places I can find those words and Ayers name together is in these two lines:

"AYERS IS A TENURED PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO AND WAS A "RESPECTED ADVISOR" TO MAYOR DALEY ON SCHOOL REFORM"

"Respectable advisor" indicates it is NOT Obama's opinion. I'm assuming the quote is from their own citation [Ayers UIC Site, Ayers Personal Site, Accessed 5/31/07]

Second:

Bill "Ayers is now mainstream -- an educator with distinguished professor status. He has written three books about education and has advised Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley on the subject of school reform." [AP, 10/14/01]

Again, notice these aren't his own words and are from another source.

If these really are the places this ad took the quotes from (they don't give a specific citation which is suspicious in its own right) I agree the ad shouldn't be aired as it is false. purposefully misleading and intellectually dishonest (does that make me a typical, anti-free speech thug, too, Jeff?).

So unless someone else can find the real citations, this appears to be it. It's unfortunate y'all seem to have jumped on the bandwagon without even the slightest shred of suspicion, but I guess this isn't the first time and it definitely won't be the last time someone's dislike of a candidate clouds their judgment.

On this thread, that is nothing more than a deflection.

LO fucking L!

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

Damn, I thought we could embed video now!

"known terrorists like Oliver North, crazy pastors Hagee and Parsley,"

Wow...didn't know they were making pipe bombs with 100 sticks of dynamite and boxes of roofing nails to massacre revelers at an non-commissioned officers dance at Fort Dix.
Or like...bombing New York City Police Headquarters, the Capitol building,and the Pentagon of the United States of Amerrika.
I may need a link on that one.

"On this thread, that is nothing more than a deflection. "

No it's not. All's fair on the Drudge Retort, and I'm not going to play by rules the Right doesn't play by.

It's relevant, but it isn't as big as the right tries to make it.

Probably true. Welcome to politics.

Obama has never condoned any of Ayers actions.

No, he just buddies up with the guy.

The fact is the right is grasping at straws.

Not true. You've said so yourself, this is relevant. It's up to the voting public to decide how important this self-admittedly relevant topic is.

so they have to try to associate him with questionable characters

They don't have to try at all. Obama has done so himself with his associations.

and then attribute the actions of said questionable characters to Obama.

No such attributions have been made. If so, then this would be libel. But it isn't.

Quite pathetic if you ask me. Actually, it is very pathetic, as is anyone who plays a part in the tactic.

It's not pathetic at all. Ayers is unrepentant. His actions and the group he was a part of are abhorrent. If McCain launched his career from the home of an unrepentant clansman, you'd change your tune real quick on this issue.

I could be wrong, however I predict that this one will continue to grow legs, and the spin and threats coming from Obama and his supporters will only exacerbate it.

false. purposefully misleading and intellectually dishonest

Wouldn't expect anything less from the right.

"Wow...didn't know they were making pipe bombs with"

Oliver North did much worse than that. He put real weapons into the hands of terrorists.

All's fair on the Drudge Retort, and I'm not going to play by rules the Right doesn't play by.

Whatever.

I just find it humorous that you are usually the first to point out a deflection when it comes from someone with whom you disagree.

Anyhow, you play second-fiddle to Rob when it comes to breaking up a thread.

"and then attribute the actions of said questionable characters to Obama.

No such attributions have been made. If so, then this would be libel. But it isn't. "

And I'm sure a Texas billionaire has the legal guns to set up an ad like this with just enough innuendo to plant the idea without outright saying it. This thread is proof of it's working as planned.

They don't have to try at all. Obama has done so himself with his associations.

What association specifically?

It's up to the voting public to decide how important this self-admittedly relevant topic is.

The voting public can't make an informed decision when the right twists the truth.

could be wrong, however I predict that this one will continue to grow legs

I know you wish it would, but in these days of 24 hour news cycles, it probably won't get any coverage becasue the media knows there is nothing there. They went through this in the primary.

"What about McCain's relationships with known terrorists like Oliver North, crazy pastors Hagee and Parsley, lobbyists for dictators and terrorists like Charlie Black."

Oliver North made bombs, blew up buildings? How come I never knew that? Hagee, Parslee preached, "God damn America?"
Black stated a terrorist attack would benefit McCains campaign (true, BTW) and now he's a terrorist? I think there might be a circuit breaker tripped somewhere in your logic network.

Those goofy, fun-loving vandals! - JeffJ

Guess what - a lot of those 60s radicals grew up to become respected and valued people, whose ideals changed as society became a little less brutal to minorities and protesters.

"Update: Still No Movement on Ayers-Obama Annenberg Papers

Posted by kerrin57"

Says here (and other news sources) that the documents are being released.

"Oliver North made bombs, blew up buildings? "

He did worse. He put weapons into the hands of killers who, guess what, actually killed people!

"Then Obama shouldn't tyy to stop this from airing."

If it wasn't a simply hate speech tactic, I would agree. Free Speech is protected, but not slander.

"Says here (and other news sources) that the documents are being released. "

Oops. There goes another rightist talking point. And when the documents show nothing it will be on to the next manufactured issue.

JPW,

I can't find a direct quote either.

That quote didn't materialize out of thin air.

Where do you think it came from?

I checked snopes and nothing came up, probably because the comment hasn't been seriously challenged as coming from Obama.

I've come accross a few sources that use those exact words stating that Obama said them, but no quotations are used.

What association specifically?

Well, launching his political career from this guy's home, for openers. You know full well the extent of the relationship between Obama and Ayers, as do I.

The voting public can't make an informed decision when the right twists the truth.

How did the right twist the truth?

Does this ad play on innuendo? Of course it does, pretty much ALL negative campaign ads rely on innuendo. I understand your consternation over this, but this really is politics as usual. To get all excersized over this one ad seems a bit selective to me.

I know you wish it would, but in these days of 24 hour news cycles, it probably won't get any coverage becasue the media knows there is nothing there.

Time will tell.

Like it or not, in any society one is judged by the company they keep. Be that as it may, it is the attempt to muzzle those pointing out the company he keeps that is disturbing. This from someone who is supposed to believe in the First Amendment.

love how dishonest political types try to tie Obama to the days whe Ayers was a radical when in reality no such tie can be made. Hell the tie to him now is ify. Again, this is all the right has, nothing policy wise, just attempts to tarnish through innuendo.

Posted by taxman at

glad I scrolled down to catch jeffj

his campaign DID begin in the home of an UNREPENTENT TERRORIST.........and YET we are supposed to just forget all about that....
I guess the day after that meeting they all went to church to listen to the known antiamerican, racebaiting rascists preacher known as jwright

Be that as it may, it is the attempt to muzzle those pointing out the company he keeps that is disturbing.

Exactly!

This ad was well-enough done that it would never see the light of day in a libel case.

Obama was right in running a counter-ad.

Obama was wrong in employing threats and attempting to censor this. It makes him look scared of the ad and it makes him look like and authoratarian tyrant who seeks to censor opposing viewpoints.

Gotta run!

Per usual, this was fun.

I love campaign season!

"Oops. There goes another rightist talking point. And when the documents show nothing it will be on to the next manufactured issue."

Why deny access then...and why deny access to her thesis? It just stirs suspicions...and with good cause.

"It is highly unusual and legally questionable for a publicly-funded archive to deny access to records in its collection, particularly when they have a bearing on matters of intense public interest: the qualifications of a man seeking to be Commander in Chief."

"But even if the university manages to stall release of the records until after the election, it is only drawing attention to the project. Already, the nation's mainstream media have taken notice (however imperfectly) of the University's unusual actions, albeit without exploring the subject in any depth yet."

but this really is politics as usual.

Bull shit, that is always the excuse for dirty pool. A way to make yourself feel good about lying and slander.

"That quote didn't materialize out of thin air.

Where do you think it came from?"

It appears to have materialized out of someones ass.

Rather naive, I'd say, to believe a non-profit group started by an individual who's other groups existed for the sole purpose of slandering political opponents wouldn't create something out of thin air.

Sad thing is, if in two days all the major news networks ran a story explicitly laying out how contorted the information is in this ad, it won't change the fact that it's set in people's minds and people will still use the talking points from the ad months from now.

I love campaign season!

Posted by JeffJ at

I do too but you cant tell when it starts and when its over anymore

TAXMAN..........there is no slander in that ad at all........and the left cant make it up either... I just heard it

And now this thread is being supressed

I remember seeing an actual copy of the Weather Underground's newsletter 15 years ago and it had Charles Manson man of the year on the cover. funny shit!

It appears to have materialized out of someones ass.

My point was, those characterizations, presumably from Obama or his campaign team, came out when this story was first breached - during the primary season. I am genuinely curious as to the source, but lack the patience and just kinda suck at researching shit of this nature on the internet.

A way to make yourself feel good about lying and slander. - Taxman

Please direct me to any lie contained within this ad and then expound on how this ad is slanderous.

You have yet to attribute the quotes to Obama. Moreover, I have yet to see anything, other than this ad, that says Obama launched his campaign (i.e., held press conference) at Ayers house.

I have yet to see anything, other than this ad, that says Obama launched his campaign (i.e., held press conference) at Ayers house.

Launched his political career, not his campaign.

OK, prove it. I believe Obama was a community organizer and activist way before he met Ayers, but by all means if you can show me where Obama met with Ayers before becoming an organizer of activist then by all means please do. No citations to the moonbat Larry Johnson or noquarters.com, allowed.

should be "or" not "of".

Ayers Advised Chicago Mayor Richard Daley On School Reform Issues. Bill "Ayers is now mainstream -- an educator with distinguished professor status. He has written three books about education and has advised Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley on the subject of school reform." [AP, 10/14/01]

This is from Obama's own website:

"Launched his political career, not his campaign.

Posted by JeffJ"

According to the original story I read in the Sun Times, Ayers was a supporter of and contributor to Obama's predecessor, Alice Palmer. Obama first met Ayers when Palmer organized a gathering to introduce Obama to a group of her supporters. The gathering was held at Ayer's house.

Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama early in his political career and made a donation, but that didn't necessarily launch his career.

Jeff, that is from an AP article and it is in quotes. How is that attributable to Obama? I thought it was some Rabbi that knew Ayers who provided that quote. I could be wrong though.

Thank you for proving me correct Jeff. I appreciate your honesty.

should be "who" instead of "that". Sorry I am off today, there is a big old hurricane heading my way.

Sorry, everyone. I didn't see this thread when I posted the actual video on my own thread. RCADE, maybe you could add the comments together.

One of Obama's early on appeals, as cited by Joe Biden... was that he was clean and articulate. We all get the articulate part, but what did Biden mean by "clean?"

In reading between the lines, to me "clean" means "safe for white people to feel comfortable about."

What are others' views on what "clean" means?

Thank you for proving me correct Jeff.

You're welcome. However, when it comes to taking the 'launched his career' comment as slander...given that this happened early in his career, I think they could probably get away with the claim in court through some somewhat Clintonian explanations.

Responding to the ad, especially where it is duplicitous, is wise.

Obama screwed up by over-reacting, which is why I think this may grow legs.

"What are others' views on what "clean" means?

Posted by OohRah"

Perhaps he meant to say "clean cut".

Or "clean" as opposed to "corrupted".

He certainly wasn't referring to personal hygiene.

That thank you came off as "smart-ass-ish" and I didn't intend for it to come off that way. I really mean it. It is hard to find people willing to introduce evidence that is even slightly detrimental to their position.

I am not so sure it was an overreaction on the Obama camp's part. I still haven't had the time to look at their reasons for challenging. Are they challenging because of the message? I thought I heard they were challenging because the guy who made the commercial has some ties to McCain and that this wasn't really a 527? I will look it up when I have a second.

Biden clamis his grandmother used to say "Clean as whistle, Sharp as a tack."

Didn't McCain Feingold gave us the 527s?

That thank you came off as "smart-ass-ish" and I didn't intend for it to come off that way.

You followed it with, "I appreciate your honesty."

With that, I knew what you meant.

Thanks for the clarification nonetheless.

As far as this ad goes - it is what it is. It's not slanderous but it's certainly misleading, and intentionally so - it's long on innuendo and it gives the impression of much more of a relationship than what truly exists.

As for Ayers...we all do stupid shit when we are young and then mature out of it. In his case, if he was repentant about his past, I'd have a much easier time with the defenses offered for him now.

I only jumped on this because Team Obama over-reacted to the point of issuing threats and made overtures at censorship.

As for Ayers...we all do stupid shit when we are young and then mature out of it. In his case, if he was repentant about his past, I'd have a much easier time with the defenses offered for him now.

Jeff, please do not associate my defense of Obama on this issue with some sort of sympathy for Ayers. The guy was a creep (I can't speak for today, but appears he has changed) he was a member of a group which perpetrated sinister acts. Young and stupid is no defense there. My beef is with the fact that it seems people are trying to attribute these actions to Barry and over-emphasising Barry's connection to Ayers.

Hey there--

Obama is still hanging out with the guy for the foundation--and something about ACORN.

They are on the same board together--

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Guess what - a lot of those 60s radicals grew up to become respected and valued people, whose ideals changed as society became a little less brutal to minorities and protesters.

Posted by sitdown at 2008-08-26 01:03 PM |

Sit--you are correct--but Ayres just recently said he was not sorry and thought they had not done enough.

So much for being remorsefull--apologetic, sorry, his wife is not any better.

And I think the word "clean" from Biden was meant to mean "fresh"--like a new face.

Tax,

When I was speaking of defense for Ayers, I was talking about the Obama camp, not you personally. Sorry for the confusion.

My beef is with the fact that it seems people are trying to attribute these actions to Barry and over-emphasising Barry's connection to Ayers.

That's a reasonable beef as Barry's connections with Ayers don't seem to rise much above the level of friendly acquaintances.

Tying Rev. Wright to Obama carried a lot more weight, given the nature of their relationship.

Tax,

Changing gears....

Are you at all nervous as to how Bill and Hillary Clinton perform at this convention?

AU-
Agreed, not to mean personal hygiene. Paraphrasing now... the fact Biden called Obama the 'first serious black candidate to be both clean and articulate' - that tells me he didn't perceive Obama's political predecessors to be both clean and articulate.

The phrase "acting white" comes to mind. I realize it's used by school children to criticize a black person who tries to achieve in school... it's a way of telling the kid he's a sell out in order to conform to a white man's world.

In politics, blacks have historically had problems with winning white voters' support. Those problems are associated with whites' perceptions/stereotypes of militant blacks or of the entitlement mindset so many blacks have had.

Thus, for a black candidate to be taken seriously for an office such as POTUS, that candidate has to allay fears or concerns he's not "threatening" or militant... that he's not out to "get whitey" for all the ills which his race has endured. And he has to be articulate - he has to not sound ghetto like Snoop Dog. He must speak the language of America's political class and not sound angry or illiterate.

Jesse Jackson is of the entitlement mentality. While I wouldn't categorize him as a militant, he isn't above shaking down corporations who don't do his bidding. He is confrontational and has a criminal history. So there goes the 'clean' piece.

I think Biden's 'clean and articulate' comment spoke to what I'd mentioned above. Maybe I'm wrong. Was Biden ever asked to really explain what he meant?

Ayers and Obama go back to his start of his political career and thru the 1990's--endorsing his book, serving on several boards together.

And I guess now Hayden--that good ol guy from the 60's is comparing bombing the Pentagon like Ayres to ---

McCain--yup --amazing shit...

Are you at all nervous as to how Bill and Hillary Clinton perform at this convention?

Not at all. They are both great Democrats who will do whatever it takes to help the party. I completely understand that this Convention is going to be painful for them as they are still smarting from the loss, but I neither is the type to try to sabatoge the Convention.

Tax,

I agree with you in the sense that both understand the importance of party loyalty.

I guess my question should be re-phrased:

Do you think they will give stunning performances?

Do you think Hillary will exude genuine enthusiasm when she speaks?

Do you think they will give stunning performances?

I think the Obama camp handcuffed Bubba by making him give a speech on foreign policy so I can't see how that could be stunning. But I do think he will give it a go.

Do you think Hillary will exude genuine enthusiasm when she speaks?

She will exude enthusiasm for her supporters at first and then transfer to Obama.

I can't wait to watch tonight though. It should be interesting.

To continue on my 4:12pm post, the right's efforts with the Ayers piece... all the Rev Wright stuff... the Michelle "for the first time I'm proud of America" and "America is a mean country" sort of stuff... and more that doesn't come to mind right now - those are ways of trying to depict Obama as nothing much different from any number of other black leaders.

Will it be successful? Is it fair and truthful? Should it be relevant?

If nothing else, it's politics as usual. But I do think it serves to help define a previously largely unknown candidate. Sure, there's the hope and change... and the oratory skills. But who is Obama? Who helped shape his views? Who were his mentors, his influences? I think those are relevant questions for all candidates.

I was not going to vote for him. So I'm not pretending to be some moderate suddenly swayed by these revelations.

Where this will hit home is with those who might be undecided, perhaps some disaffected Dems... and it might help solidify some Reps who may/may not be overly enthused with McCain, but who now see it as important to keep a dude like Obama out of the White House - not unlike the feeling some Reps would have had were Hillary Clinton to have been the Dem nominee.

Obama is just playing by the campaign rules that McComplain's anti-free speech bill established. If you don't like it go complain to Johnny.

What about McCain's relationships with known terrorists like Oliver North, crazy pastors Hagee and Parsley, lobbyists for dictators and terrorists like Charlie Black.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-08-26 12:42 PM | Reply

HAR~! HAR~!

When the scrutiny of Osama increases just a tiny bit, Null&Void has to go back to the Dem playbook for "Osama sucks, but the other guy sucks more! So there!"

Just remember, that was the entire campaign strategy in 2000 AND 2004; it gave us eight years of bush.

get used to saying "president mccain" - the people who BELIEVE in TRUE freedom of speech for EVERYBODY will vote for him. it's not JUST for the left.

Oliver North, True AMERICAN HERO.....

Negative ads are all the Republicans have. They avoid the issues like the plague.

Guilt by association.

Ayers and Barack.

oooooooooo

He must be just like Ayers.

Wait

Barack and John work together in the Senate. Are they friends, too?

Guilt by assocation.

I wonder who else works in the Senate with John and Obama that might be considered treacherous relationships.

And, for Hannity and his harping on this stupid issue, don't forget your relationship with Oliver North. His involvement with the Iran Contra affair violated the law. He had immunity, but it didn't negate the fact he committed crimes. The fool lied to Congress, was fired by Hannity's hero, Reagan - and yet, he touts North as a great American.

McCain probably is friendly with North. Would McCain approve of North's actions? Is he McCain's friend like Ayers is to Obama?

I find it funny how the left is trying to downplay this. How stupid is the statement "Repubs are trying to tie Obama to Bill Ayers. If this is your response then stop, close your eyes and clear your mind.

What the Bill Ayers relationship shows is Obama's poor judgement. If he's calling Ayers a friend then what kind of president do you actually think he'll be? Obama listened to Reverend Wright talk about how Louis Farrakahn was a great man, does this mean he'll become friends with Ahmadinajad and talk about the evil Jews and how to best Annilate them?

You can kid yourself and keep spinning the same mistruth's but that's what the relationship between Ayers and Obama shows. One such relationship by itself isn't that damaging. However, throw the others in the mix and then you have a problem that Obama doesn't want to have to explain so he's going to spin it the say way you lefties are trying to spin it.

Do continue to spin on, it's amusing to the rest of us.

Lonnie

What was Ayers indicted of anyway? Why is this guy free and not in a prison cell for the rest of his life? If he killed someone, why didn't they give him the chair?

Ayers explains his comments and the response from the media and his counter. From Wiki.

"We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."[1]

Todd Gitlin, a former SDS member and author of "The Sixties: Years of Hope, Days of Rage," harshly criticizes Ayers and other members of Weatherman for wanting to kill, even if they didn't. Gitlin said in 2001 that the only reason no one was murdered was because the first known attempt resulted in members of the group blowing themselves up instead: "OK, let's give them a medal for not killing anybody besides themselves. But they wanted to be terrorists. They planned on being terrorists. Then their bomb blew up and killed several of them and they thought better of it. They were failed terrorists."[1]

Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to the New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[17] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[10] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[18] In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[19] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[19][20] The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[10]

"I condemn all forms of terrorism--individual, group and official," Ayers wrote in a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune. He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."[21]

Sorry, everyone. I didn't see this thread when I posted the actual video on my own thread. RCADE, maybe you could add the comments together.

One of Obama's early on appeals, as cited by Joe Biden... was that he was clean and articulate. We all get the articulate part, but what did Biden mean by "clean?"

In reading between the lines, to me "clean" means "safe for white people to feel comfortable about."

What are others' views on what "clean" means?

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I took it to mean clean cut. People say that about GI's all of the time but it's still a phrase that is used today and is not about hygiene but grooming.

Lonnie

GOOD MOVE BY OBAMA: Fighting the ads based on interpretation of election and capmpaign fininace law.

BAD MOVE BY OBAMA: Threatening and attempting to censor TV stations that air the ad. He is leading with his chin on that one, and whomever is advising him to do that is setting him up.

Obama = Censorship is not the message he needs out there with 12 weeks to go.

One such relationship by itself isn't that damaging. However, throw the others in the mix and then you have a problem that Obama doesn't want to have to explain so he's going to spin it the say way you lefties are trying to spin it.

Posted by lwalk17

McCain is friends with lots of Republicans. By association with so many, why isn't that damaging?

Perhaps it is because we can be friends with criminals and not be one?

Petrous,

Let's be honest, I don't know of any of McCains associations that have bombed the pentagon or police stations like Bill Ayers group has. He was a domestic terrorist. You guys can continue to spin all you want to. Friends with criminals isn't the issue. The issue is Obama is friends with a Domestic Terrorist and a Chicago slum lord. Deals were made, political favors were given that resulted in million dollar deals at the expense of the Chicago tax payers. Bill Ayers and Tony Rezco relationships show Obama has a judgement problem and a ethics problem. It was Obama who got money for Rezco through his position as a state senator.

Lonnie

What the hell, posters here know more about each other than they do about Obama! It appears to be set up that way, the question is, why? He may be the second coming, or a reincarnation! I, for one would like to know, just to satisfy any questions I may actually have!

I could care less if he's Black, brown, yellow, pink or whatever, or who he associates with, as long as it's not of a criminal nature! He talks a good story! But all those promises, how do they get kept? There isn't that much money out there, and we'll be in a recession in about 6 - 9 months! Could it be, once again, we're left holding that BAG?

The money from the conclusion of the Iraq will be cross allocated to Afganistan, and/or to rebuild the DEPLETED force structure, leaving nothing for home consumption, alas and alack!

Oh well, belly up to the bar, drinks are on us, again! The true answer in all of this, is, there is no true answer! Expecting someone else to pick up your tab? Keep searching for THAT savior! He/she doesn't exist!

"The money from the conclusion of the Iraq "

That's a fantasy. It's all been on the credit card. There is no "money", we'll just borrow less.

Obama was only a child when Ayers was engaging in his bad behavior.

Hmmmm, Obama was only a child when Biden was working. I guess we can conclude that Biden isn't a friend of Obama's, or has any connection to Obama.

More stupid liberal thinking!

"People ... don't want the political discourse cheapened with these false, negative attacks,"

But I do.

I'm John McBush and I approved this message.

Did I mention that I am a POW?

"People ... don't want the political discourse cheapened with these false, negative attacks,"

Correct! That's why the McCain add told the truth, and why the Obama response doesn't discount that truth, but only speaks of being 8 years old when Ayers was working his mischief.

Me thinks Obama's response shows good evidence that Obama is sideskirting the truth...just like an 8 year old.

Okay, I'm going to ask straight up, what did Obama DO? What did he do? What action of Ayers was Obama involved in?

Guilt by association is the height of political hackkery, and it's not going to fly this year. If guilt by association is all you have, say it now. If your only critique of Obama is that he didn't run screaming like a little girl at the sight of Ayers, admit it now and be done with it.

I'm supposed to vote for the man dreaming of war with Iran because of that? I'm supposed to vote against my economic interests because of that? I'm supposed to vote for more war, more debt, a weaker dollar, a weaker economy and a weaker strung out military? Because of an old association to a washed up radical?

Okay, you made your argument, it sucks, and it'll be forgotten by Friday. Got anything real, or was that it?

Hey Norm, if McCain's political career had commenced in the house of Timothy McVey, would you be saying the same thing? Hey, but old associations that are still presently active make no difference to you, right? In a pig's eye!

Not only that, Bozobama's associations include more than Ayers, but those don't matter either!

Stooge!

Ayers as McVey? I don't think you realize how desperate and intellectually bankrupt that makes you look.

This is my take on William Ayers. We live in a nation governed by the rule of law. And the law says that anyone not found guilty is innocent. Completely innocent. If you reject that I cannot help you, and I submit that maybe you don't understand America and would be more comfortable elsewhere. We rejected the tyranny of the scarlet letter generations ago.
Ayers is convicted of no crime, and the 1st Amendment grants all citizens the freedom of association. That is the word of the Constitution. Either you accept that, or you reject America.

It is tyranny of a sort that is intrinsically un-American, to say that someone convicted of no crime must be forever marginalized and shunned, and has no possibility of ever again contributing to society.

The meme that a professional association with that person renders one automatically corrupt and unfit is such an undercutting of the sense of self that I suspect the individualism of anyone who would agree to such communistic drivel.

Guilt by association, permanent stigmatization and thoughtcrime are what the GOP has to offer America.

No thank you.

Ayers is only the current topic de jour of FoxNews.

Anything to keep from discussing the mess Bush and Co. have gotten America in after being handed a great economy, budget surpluses, and international respect.

Anyone mention Ayers was found 'not guilty'?

Here's what the big fuss is all about....WOW! :

"Obama and Ayers both attended some 1995 board meetings of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers was instrumental in starting and Obama chaired in the 1990s.

Ayers was part of the groups operational arm, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, which reviewed proposals for Challenge grants and made recommendations to the board, according to the organizations early documents.

During a June 1995 meeting, Ayers was credited with having worked diligently to support the board and the collaborative, according to meeting minutes.

But more than a year later, Obama pushed the group to be bolder in its reforms. Minutes from an October 1996 gathering show Obama, a guest at a meeting of the collaborative, raised questions about what the group should be doing.

The minutes characterized Obamas concerns as twofold: Whether the group was raising additional money and whether money was being used to prop up existing organizations as opposed to creating fresh educational practices in the schools?

At the end of five years, will we have broken the mold? Not much seems to be bubbling up that is inspiring or substantive, the minutes say, paraphrasing Obama."

"Chicago Annenberg Challenge was awarded nearly $50 million in the 1990s. The money was part of Ambassador Walter H. Annenbergs $500 million Challenge to the Nation whereby public-private partnerships tried to improve public schools, according to the Annenberg Institutes Web site.

Obama has said he deplored what Ayers did in the 1960s and that by the time I met him, he is a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education.

Despicable I tell ya !! How DARE they try to improve public schools !!

McCain is friends with lots of Republicans. By association with so many, why isn't that damaging?

Seems like Obama has a whole host of people who are not associates, not friends, not mentors, doesn't share their views etc. etc. Ayers, Rezko, Flager, Wright, the commie in Hawaii - I think it is just a coincidence that he happens upon all these people and there is nothing to it......yes it all makes sense doesn't it????

Wow - you really need to suspend rational thinking to give him the free pass the Dems seem to want to give him - collective denial, amnesia perhaps.

You have a flawed candidate who you didn't vet and you got carried away with and now you are screwed.

Posted by notmoretax at 2008-08-27 04:49 PM

Coming from someone who's stuck with a neocon wackjob who barely knows what planet he's living on (my guess would be, Tralfamador), that's rich indeed.

"We live in a nation governed by the rule of law. And the law says that anyone not found guilty is innocent. Completely innocent. If you reject that I cannot help you, and I submit that maybe you don't understand America and would be more comfortable elsewhere." - NORM

Forget the Ayers issue for a moment. I have a philosophical question for you. If, as you say, anyone found not guilty is completely innocent... what about someone found guilty? Are they really or completely guilty because a jury or judge so ruled?

See, I disagree with you. Being found not guilty is not the equivalent of being completely innocent. It doesn't mean, necessarily, that you "didn't do it." It means you won a court's judgement... either because certain evidence was disallowed/missing or perhaps due to a sympathetic jury. Conversely, there are times where a completely innocent person is wrongly convicted.

And to take things one step further, I frequently read on the DR about how Bush/Cheney/Rummy/etc are guilty of xyz crimes. Wouldn't they be innocent till proven guilty in court?

See, I disagree with you. Being found not guilty is not the equivalent of being completely innocent. It doesn't mean, necessarily, that you "didn't do it." It means you won a court's judgement... either because certain evidence was disallowed/missing or perhaps due to a sympathetic jury. Conversely, there are times where a completely innocent person is wrongly convicted.

The language of the law is, presumed innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on the state to prove guilt. It is a fundamental tenant of the American legal system that no one is ever forced to prove their innocence. Being found not guilty is not "winning a court's judgement". It means they couldn't prove guilt, so the person remains innocent. The person was always innocent. Legally it absolutely means you "didn't do it".

That is what living under the rule of law means. If you don't agree, then run for office and change the law.

And yes there are mistakes made. Which is why our legal system allows for appeals and retrials, and why the death penalty is truthfully more trouble than it's worth, because it is so important to be correct.

As for Bush/Cheney: Yes, they are legally 100% completely innocent. They are suspected of being guilty of war crimes, but we never had impeachment hearings. So until they're proven guilty, they remain innocent. Notice that I am treating Bush/Cheney better than they treat the American people via the Patriot Act.

And all this stupid shit about old acquaintances has what to do with the issues? Nothing? Blahdidah.

It has to do with the issue of free speech.

All of the Obama appologists keep quoting his "I was only eight when he did it".
Of course they NEVER mention that he fled the country for nine years and finally when the charges were dismissed because some of the evidence was obtained via illegal wiretaps he returned and pled guilty in 1980 to illegal possession of dynamite.
Now I grew up in a rough West Side Chicago neighborhood but even we didn't consider using dynamite as being a prank or Vandalism. Dynamite was used to destroy property or people.
Now how old was Obama when Ayres pled guilty to possession of dynamite? Not eight, but 19. 19 in Chicago isn't a CHILD or even a TEEN. That is an adult.
Obama keeps claiming that he "didn't know" that the evil people he associated with were evil people. Ayres when he was in his 30's, Rezko when he was in his early 30's, Allison Davis when he was in his late 20's, Louis Farrakhan when he was in his mid 30's, Rev Wright when he was in his late 20's.
All of these people had and were doing bad things but Obama saw none of this.
Do we really want a man to be our President who is this obtuse, assuming he is telling the truth?
He spent 20 years listening to Rev Wright's sermons yet claims to have NEVER heard him spew his hatred of White people and the Jewish religion. He claims to not have known about the virulient hatred of the Jews by the Nation of Islam. He claims that during his whole seven years of representing his Illinois Senate district that Rezko and Davis were Slumlords who owned 16 apartment buildings in his district alone that were literally unfit for human habitation he didn't know.
With Yahoo Mapping you yourself can "stroll" down the streets of Obama's district and see these buildings boarded up or the empty lots where they used to be before the city tore them down because they were so unsafe yet Obama never noticed this. Not only that but this is over 1,000 families and yet he claims that he NEVER received ONE SINGLE letter from any one of these families about their living conditions.

Now I am all for giving a person the benefit of the doubt but this stretches benefit if the doubt beyond all human reason.

His not knowing about Louis Farrakhan's beliefs is also unbelieveable since they were neighbors who lived within walking distance of each other, had dinner at each other's homes and Obama has had and still has Nation of Islam members working for him in his state office and now in his Senate Office. In fact, no Senate intern can be hired for his office unless approved by a member of the Nation of Islam who does all hiring for his office.

Now I think McCain is wasting money beating upon Ayres since the Rev Wright and Farrakhan are far more fruitful fields to harvest. He can sell the relative respectability of Ayres today but Wright and his replacement Mott are current and while he has made a token repudiation of Farrakhan, his own NOI employees are impossible to cover up.

"Obama's Lost Annenberg Years...

Lefties have to avoid these things...it hurts their heads.

Posted by kerrin57"

WOW!!! Too funny, there were only 6 comments to that post!

These demwits ran like cockroaches in the middle of the night when exposed to a light...

The light of truth, concerning a subject as important as this is, is just something they can't handle, but more importantly, just choose to ignore...

Obamabots, led by their noses... by their Pied-Piper.

"pied' from dictionary.com
adjective
1. having patches of two or more colors, as various birds and other animals: a pied horse.

That would be the perfect definition of slowbama, black and white, 50/50.

"And all this stupid shit about old acquaintances has what to do with the issues? Nothing? Blahdidah.

Posted by Scrumplet"

Hey Frumplet,

Are you THAT shallow... or still in denial?

Define for us the meaning of "old"... Like as in "recent"... acquaintances. This is more and is more recent than BA being just some "nice guy who lives in my neighborhood".

Is terrorism an issue today and do you think it will be in the longterm, foreseeable future?

"stupid shit"?

Danved-
re: "pied' from dictionary.com
adjective
1. having patches of two or more colors, as various birds and other animals: a pied horse.

That would be the perfect definition of slowbama, black and white, 50/50.

Yeah. It's almost like the dictionary itself were warning us against intermarriage.

God, you are such an idiot.

As for Bush/Cheney: Yes, they are legally 100% completely innocent. They are suspected of being guilty of war crimes, but we never had impeachment hearings. So until they're proven guilty, they remain innocent. Notice that I am treating Bush/Cheney better than they treat the American people via the Patriot Act.

Posted by Norm"

...more blather from another conspiracy theorist.

Hey, abNORMal, have you been abducted by any more UFOs lately?

Danved-
Do you have a quote from Revelation to completely convince me that the mixed-race Obama is the antichrist who will make you buy a prayer rug and sentence the non-yous to seven years of torment before you at last smite the evil and allow the survivors to reconsider?

" Yeah. It's almost like the dictionary itself were warning us against intermarriage.

God, you are such an idiot.

Posted by BetelG"

Beelzebub, that was another typical stretch of your demwitted, yet vivid, imagination.

You sound like you just might be a lifelong and perhaps founding member of the "Pied-Piperette" pompom squad.

Is it true, or did you just join the party late?

Idealog

?

Yes, "idealog"

ROFLMAO....!!!!

Good night

"Idealog"?

I'm sorry. I'm fairly sure I've not referred to anyone as an "idealog".

"Danved-
Do you have a quote from Revelation to completely convince me that the mixed-race Obama is the antichrist who will make you buy a prayer rug and sentence the non-yous to seven years of torment before you at last smite the evil and allow the survivors to reconsider?

Posted by BetelG"

Beelzebub,

Please pull the shades in your room, close the drapes, drink two cups of warm water with the tab of thorazine that you so desperately need.

Tomorrow, when you wake up, you should have no ill effects or other bad signs/symptoms of that bummer you are currently on.

However, addiction to thorazine could be your problem, given the way you seem to be aimlessly following around your messiah/savior, while druelling down the front of your shirt (or is it blouse?).

Either way, I sincerely hope you recover.

re: Obamabots, led by their noses... by their Pied-Piper.

"pied' from dictionary.com
adjective
1. having patches of two or more colors, as various birds and other animals: a pied horse.

That would be the perfect definition of slowbama, black and white, 50/50.

Posted by danved at 2008-08-28 12:39 AM | Reply |

My apologies, but you're a fuckin' idiot.

"My apologies, but you're a fuckin' idiot.

Posted by BetelG"

Nighty night night!

You'll drop off in a couple of minutes...

Try counting from ten backwards, and ignore the sheep!

In the morning all that rage will have magically melted away.

Night night!

I like the word you invented, Danved. I will now, and in the future, refer to you as the "idealog".

See...the pied piper was bad, and pied means of mixed color I know it 'cause I looked it up, and Obama is of mixed race....

Yes. "Idealog". It fits you well.

"Do you have a quote from Revelation to completely convince me that the mixed-race Obama is the antichrist who will make you buy a prayer rug and sentence the non-yous to seven years of torment before you at last smite the evil and allow the survivors to reconsider?
Posted by BetelG"

See...the pied piper was bad, and pied means of mixed color I know it 'cause I looked it up, and Obama is of mixed race....
Posted by BetelG"

Like I said, tomorrow your fantasies will begin anew... You thinking you're hearing things that people have not said... I searched this thread twice and couldn't find any links to your "Revelation" comment and your "bad" reference...

Stay off the koolaid, Beelzebub.

Sweet Dreams!

Danved, I'm sorry, I didn't realize how naive I was. This has to do with supporting terrorism. If Obama is elected President, he will support terrorists. Now I see how this story fits into our future.

It's stupid shit.

And trying to dismiss Bush/Cheney's warcrimes as conspiracy crap? Much more evidence for that than for Obama supporting a 'known terrorist.' Ayers is a professor of Education with a history before of doing some stupid moronic shit that he later came to regret. You may not have forgiven him, but others have, and he seems to have leveled his thinking.

This is a stupid shit character assassination issue that has nothing to do with our future. Just like McCain's POW crap has nothing to do with our future. I thought it would, but he waffled on the issues that I thought it'd make him more sensitive toward.

Enough of this crap.

they say "he assocites with known terrorists, he's a muslim, he was born in kenya, he's the anti-christ"

and we say about you "what a bunch of assholes"

Dobson's really* christian group "Focus on the Family" requested all their followers to pray for rain on Obama's stadium speech. Sunny day Thursday , no rain, God did not comply, in fact God said "Buzz off Dobson!". In other news Dobson may have been struck with bolt of lightning"

* not catholic

Good post 'shyguy'... to try and sell the public that he is not totally knowledgeable about these people and what they stand for and at the same time to try and sell himself as intelligent to govern this nation just does not fly... this guy is still totally unknown...!!!!

When the scrutiny of Osama increases just a tiny bit, Null&Void has to go back to the Dem playbook for "Osama sucks, but the other guy sucks more! So there!"

Just remember, that was the entire campaign strategy in 2000 AND 2004; it gave us eight years of bush.

Posted by vernon at

and even on stewart.......he used her line about no way no how no mccain as saying that mccain was just worse than obama.........as IF she were saying that.....not stewart.........

and people who you associate with DO make a difference in what you do and how you do things and all of that.........that starts as early as elementary school.........so why is it not true here>??????????? oh yeah.,he is the MESSIAH..........

"It seems they protest a bit too much," American Issues Project spokesman Christian Pinkston said. "They're going all of these routesthrough threats, intimationto try to thwart the First Amendment here because they don't have an argument on merit."

Ummmmmm....someone needs to tell this douche that libel and slander are NOT protected under the first amendment.

Sorry douche....you lose!

Libel and slander are protected if it's the truth!

Obama has a history of surrounding himself with really far far far left people ..some really dispicable people--and he is friends with them all--even after throwing them under the bus.

He says he has judgment--I call horse manure.

He doesn't.

Ayres is not sorry--he says they should have done more.

And for those who say he is innocent because the gov't couldn't get the case together--guess you think OJ is innocent too.

Libel and slander are protected if it's the truth!
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Obama launched his political campaign at Ayers House..

But yet he is not a friend of his???

How Dare we question Obama's patriotism...........

I don't know if what happened between Obama and Ayres was sinister or innocent.
But the Obama Campaign's attack upon WGN Radio for interviewing the man who is investigating it does lend some thought that there might be more than meets the eye here.

Otherwise, why have a bunch of Obama Robots try to tie up the radio's phone lines by Obama's Campaign committee sending them SCRIPTS of what to say to the station and host, email those same scripts word for word and basically shut them down?

As the host of the prohram said, he has never seen such a tactic used in his entire radio career!

When the host asked some of the callers what his guest said that was untrue, they couldn't name a SINGLE THING he said that wasn't true!

I know I have had unsavory friends myself but have never been involved in their activities so I have no fear of being questioned about my associations with them. So why is Obama so afraid of questions about his association with Ayres that he would take away the guest's Freedom of Speech and the Radio Station's Freedom of Press?

For someone touting change, isn't it strange that the day he is chosen as the Democratic nominee he uses the EXACT SAME tactic as those who he is running against, Bush and Cheney?

Sure looks odd to me....

We don't know who he is, oh fuck! Judgement is bad, shit! He'll sell us to the A-rabs and turrists, Jeezuz help us all!