Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, August 25, 2008

Michelle Obama told Democrats on the opening night of their convention that her husband and their presumed nominee, Barack Obama, emerged from humble beginnings with an understanding of the need to serve and inspire.

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well maybe tonight she wont hate america so much when she is made out to be a star.
I guess this will be the SECOND time that she is proud of her country........

I hope there are some good reruns on tnt or nickatnight........you know....something worth watching..........

oh and one more thing

no matter what you hear tonight.......her and her husbands lives were not filled with starvation and worries about where thier next meal was coming or where they might be sleeping that night........

What time, anyone know?

"anyone know?"

Posted by CalifChris

Any one care?

The networks are picking the convention coverage up at 9:00pm CDT, so I'd guess it would be then.

Lewis Black for president.

dandelionsalad.wordpress.com

It'll be nice to see the real Michelle Obama tonight, not the vicious right-wing caricature of the woman that has been spewed constantly the last several months by Limbaugh and his ilk.

Judging her by one remark is like judging Cindy McCain for her drug abuse problem. Maybe there's more to these people and we ought to show them a little more respect.

I have got to tivo this.. Oh yeah

I find it hard to believe that you Righties claim that you won't be watching.

Then again, perhaps a fear of being inspired is too much to bear? Scared that reality might clash with the images you have built up in your minds?

"I guess this will be the SECOND time that she is proud of her country."

As opposed to McCain who wasn't proud of his country until he was a POW.

Ooooooh looky! Another chance to mention he was a POW! =)

I heard a real speech this afternoon and it may surpise most of you to know it was a democrat from the 1988 dem convention in atlanta.
it was the famous ann richards speech and I have to tellyou........I would never have voted for her in a hundred years and she was wrong from one end of the speech to the other........but DAMN it was still good and it reminded me of one thing that TEXAS is all about

STRONG willed and right to the point TEXAS WOMEN.
God how I love a texas woman.............

and I also watched theother day the truman acceptance speech from 1948 on cspan....anyone else see that?
he was saying the exact things dems are saying today only from a slightly different perspective. it was incredibly interesting but I guess most of you were watching cnn or gilligan's island......

so you'll be watching blt?

of course I will..........

a political junkie has to watch even if its the wife of barrywayne hussein.
I wonder if rezko can get it from JAIL or where he is doing crooked business these days.......

Yeah, Michelle's prime time slot at dispelling the R-tarded smears that she hates America and eats kittens alive.

"Knock 'em dead, Michelle!" sez Spud.

Michelle Obama usually comes off as being authentic, connected, strong, confident and very warm.

She also has a good sense of humour.

Spud is looking forward to this speech big time but will have to record it and watch it later, unfortunately, due to scheduling issues.

Will return to this thread at some point, obviously.

Be Well.

/Like he do
stage left.

hey spud...........she will be mouthing words given to her by the same people who are trying to tell blowjob billy what to say except he is balking at it.
anyone else hear that today........he is supposedly putting up a fit because they are telling him what to talk about........probably good judgement on thier part

"STRONG willed and right to the point TEXAS WOMEN.
God how I love a texas woman(sic)............."

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-08-25 07:21 PM | Reply

Then learn to capitalize Texas or I'll sic all of mine on you.

There's only one who's dead, and I hear she still controls the weather at weddings from time to time.

www.biosci.utexas.edu

BLT-
Check out Eisenhower's 1961 farewell speech, as long as you're going through the archives.

I think she learned her lesson last time about being under the microscope.

I don't think she can win the elction for barry, but she could certainly loose it for him. Just ask billary.

just so ahead and remind me that he talked about a military complex and get it out of your system. thats all you wanted me to hear anyway isnt it?

BLT-
I'm unclear as to why you posted my name with no context.

Charles Keating will be watching between spoonfuls of humble pie

He's the only Presidential candidate friend who's cost the taxpayers billions to bailout industries lobbied in Congress with McCain's help.

BLT-
I thought you might find the speech interesting, especially since if Obama delivered that speech today he'd be derided as unpatriotic.

BUSHLOVERTWO...Come on you Racist Prick, say it you know you want to Nig..Nigg..Nigge...Thats why you will not even listen to what these people have to say. You an the Republician Party are a group of RACIST, an the American people, are sick to death of Pricks like you!!!!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA get us to it, DICKHEAD!!!

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BLT-
I'm unclear as to why you posted my name with no context.

Posted by BetelG at

I thought you were on the other post last night when I made the same true statment....it the left who brings up race...........if not then nevermind

Lewis Black / Paris Hilton

or

Paris Hilton / Lewis Black

Decisions, decisions ...

I just got a mass email from Michelle Obama stating that her speech will be at 10:30 p.m. Eastern. It also asked people to view this:

my.barackobama.com

The Obama campaign gets people involved through email and other online initiatives better than any political campaign I've ever seen. Hanging out here with so many right-wing naysayers, I sometimes get wobbly about his chances this November. But I really think the guy's going to get out the vote in unbelievable numbers.

BLT-
I may have been. Regardless, your statement is idiotic.

BLT-
Limbaugh rants daily about the "little black man child" and the "affirmative action candidate" who is "not a thinker" and has "someone" behind him feeding him lines. If he referred to him as Sambo I don't think I would even notice at first.

uh no..........I have provided proof that its not. you just dont agree with it...........

and damn...........times almost up here in the library.......someone tell me a good PC to get that wont cost an arm and a leg.............

and tomorrow we can talk about how poor little obama was and how poor little michelle is and how they are just trying to make ends meet in their FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOME partially finainced by a FUCKIN CROOK...........

later boys............

just so ahead and remind me that he talked about a military complex and get it out of your system. thats all you wanted me to hear anyway isnt it?

Posted by bushlovertwo

Not all.

But, since we're talking about it Bush/Cheney have done a terrific job of bringing the "Military Industrial Complex" to complete fruition.

Four Mil? Really?

Why, just the day before yesterday it was one point two.

The real estate slump is over!

BL2

You are so ill informed. $4,000,000 home? NONE of it financed by a crook. They have a mortgage, thank you.

Wow, you really did drink over the weekend, didn't you?

Has anyone watched MSLSD with Luke Russert?

The guy is a cutie for one--

The other is --I think he's a gawd awful conservative!

He is reporting on the youth vote--

Some age--18 to 28 trust McCain more than Obama to be CiC 31%-28%. ?? He says Mac this and Mac that--really quite funny.

CC--Nancy Stretch Pelosi is on the podium in 10 minutes.

Michelle comes close after that.

Rcade--

I have little respect for a woman who allows her children to be involved and influened by a hater like Rev Wright.

I ran from a cult-like church after three months. The week I found out I was out of there. She stayed for umteen years.

BLT-
Well, if they can't be quarterbacks, they certainly don't have the smarts to be President. As Limbaugh said, Obama is "another McNabb".

Limbaugh rants daily about the "little black man child" and the "affirmative action candidate" who is "not a thinker" and has "someone" behind him feeding him lines. If he referred to him as Sambo I don't think I would even notice at first.

and it wouldnt surprise me at all if it was a comment in response to a comment from the left.........

"I ran from a cult-like church after three months."

That place must have REALLY been somethin' truly whacked out!

and oh yeah.........regardless of your quotes.....the left and liberals here have no qualms at all about using those little marks on statements that were taken from some other context.....its a familiar thing to read..

HASTA LAREDO TO ALL...........

"and it wouldnt surprise me at all if it was a comment in response to a comment from the left........."

Don't get that so close. It's obvious where it came from. Eeeewwwww! I can smell it from here!

Isn't BLT's entire role here to be idiotic?
I always find him funny if just occasionally tiresome, or, as Georgie in "Mapp and Lucia" always said, "Tarsum".

Betel--when you see one mother ask permission from another mother to spank her child and she says yes and she takes the child in to the bathroom and you hear it--you leave.

Then I found out all this other crap from a former member who babysat for us.

We left--no confrontation--just said we4 were going to another church with a friend of ours.

Then you never go back.

Stressfull though--

Michelle should have done the same thing. She heads the family as much as Obama. In fact, I think she wears the pants.

She is a smart woman and obviously agrees with the Rev Wright teachings--that's why they stayed.

Have you ever heard of the "Southern Strategy", BLT?

en.wikipedia.org

They only have one pair of pants? Now that's nutty.

:)

Don't know about anybody else, but this is who I picture whenever I see Bushlover's name.

en.wikipedia.org

Murphy-
You've heard of the Southern Strategy, surely.

I have little respect for a woman who allows her children to be involved and influened by a hater like Rev Wright.

I suspect that Wright's inflammatory statements were few and far between, to the people who attended regularly.

People don't go to church to agree 100 percent with everything that's said on the pulpit. My church thinks telling Africans to practice birth control is a sin, and altar boys in the specific church I attended as a youth were molestation victims. (I was even offered a chance to be an altar boy there; turned it down thank God). That hasn't stopped me from carrying enough residual affection for the Catholic church to consider returning to it.

Wright's church did a lot of good work in the community, and that's what Obama cared about. But according to some lunatic on this blog, good works are a Muslim concept and alien to Christianity.

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Betel--I stopped reading when this was at the top of the page...

More racists BS--


Wright's church did a lot of good work in the community, and that's what Obama cared about. But according to some lunatic on this blog, good works are a Muslim concept and alien to Christianity.

Posted by BetelG

Just as have the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

I have no doubt that Wright is inspirational and his racist tirades aside, has done genuinely good work.

You seem to express admiration for Wright, which is fine. If what you are insinuating is true, why in the hell did the 'agent of change' totally fuck-over a lifelong friend and mentor?

They like Farrakhan--he's is on thier brochure and Wright gave him some stupid award.

The man is a racist and bigot.

They promote this stuff in the church.

They can leave--they choose not to. Bad Judgment.

Obama does everything for political expediency. He wanted a solid base int eh community and he went with this church.

Now the Rev has a 10 million dollar house and his book is out in October--should be a Best seller.

Rcade--how many times would you have to listen to some mother spank another parents child before you left? Nest they would ask you to let them spank your child.

How many times would you have to hear the preacher say KKK America and GD America and the gov't gave AIDS to blacks? Before leaving??

Same thing..

I suspect that Wright's inflammatory statements were few and far between, to the people who attended regularly.

Well, as long as he only begged God to damn America just a FEW times.....

Katrina rebates?? Didn't those ATM cards get stolen??

I need a beer to listen to this stuff....

I have no interest in what the spouses have to say.

In general I hate the whole First Lady/Spouse sort of thing. If we get the fawning stereotypical first lady, then that is a disservice to all women as it presents a wife as someone who needs to mold her life around the life of her husband's work.

If we get the First Lady/Husband who is going to be an active participant his/her spouse's administration than that is a disservice to the American people and the Constitution. We are electing an individual to wield executive power, not a duarchy. We are electing an individual to a particular office--not a team. The spouse is not vetted like the nominee.

Whether it is a man or a woman (especially if it was going to be Bill Clinton), the spouse of the President should not be a substantial part of the campaign or the running of the government.

As if I am going to be convinced that Obama/McCain will be a great president because their spouses believe that they will be.

Cheers

Murphy-
You've seriously never heard of the "Southern Strategy"?

Surely you have, Jeff.

(BTW, Murph, Wikipedia is just a source of convenience. Just Google "southern strategy" since you somehow became an adult functioning in society without ever hearing about it)

I am very much looking forward to her speech, from what I have seen so far on the campaign trail she is an honest, articulate, mom and wife, she is educated and knows how to express herself (very much like Laura Bush whom I admire immensely) how many other presidential nominee wives would describe their husbands as "stinky and snory" she is a woman, married to a man, with a couple of bright and brilliant kids, whose husband just happens to be running for president. Personally I can't wait for Michelle to tell us all about her and Barack. She wakes up alongside him every morning, who knows, perhaps he sits on the couch in his underwear scratching himself while watching basketball and drinking a beer, it would not suprise me if that was part of her speech tonight.

Limbaugh rants daily about the "little black man child" and the "affirmative action candidate" who is "not a thinker" and has "someone" behind him feeding him lines. If he referred to him as Sambo I don't think I would even notice at first.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-25 07:51 PM

Does that upset you?

Try listening to Bush being accused of having a sub-100 IQ for 7+ years.

How about such "superlatives" as: Shrub, Chimpy, dumbya, etc?

How about NON-FUCKING-STOP accusations of being nothing more than a mindless puppet of a nefarious cabal, completely incapable of thinking for himself and unable to exert the power that he wields in accordance with his own, independend ideals.

Your selective outrage is pathetic.

You fucking cry "raciscm" because watered-down versions of the exact same fucking mantra your party has been chanting for almost 8 years is now being used against your candidate.

Grow some skin, get over yourself and quit playing the fucking race-card at every opportunity.

"Betel--I stopped reading when this was at the top of the page..."

Murphy, you're an idiot. The very fact that Wikipedia invites corrections is a strength, not a minus. It's similar to open-source software, not that you have a clue as to what that is, either. Every encyclopedia, print or online, has editors and is always in the process of editing and updating.

Oh, and to be very clear:

I don't give a rat's ass how you and your ilk choose to denigrate Bush. Say what you want about him.

What I am specifically eviscerating you for is whining when the exact same treatment is given to your candidate, albeit with comparative kid-gloves, and you decide to selectively cry like a little bitch about it.

Is there really a whole virtual room full of people who haven't heard of the southern strategy and how the Republicans swung the white Democrats of the South to the Republican party in the wake of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts pushed through by Johnson?

"How about such "superlatives" as: Shrub, Chimpy, dumbya, etc?"

And those are racist when directed at George Bush how?

Yes, BetelG. I am well aware of the Southern strategy and I actually agree with your denouncement of it. It's disgusting and its an underhanded attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to gain votes.

I just wish you'd even emote a modicum of excersized outrage when your party does the exact same thing. But, I digress.

Jeff J-
re: "I don't give a rat's ass how you and your ilk choose to denigrate Bush. Say what you want about him."

I don't recall mentioning anything about Bush, though I can't speak for my "ilk".

"I just wish you'd even emote a modicum of excersized outrage when your party does the exact same thing. "

Such as?

And those are racist when directed at George Bush how?

And those are any worse than the watered-down versions of Obama-criticisms how?

Such as?

Posted by BetelG

See my 8:21 post, for openers.

"And those are any worse than the watered-down versions of Obama-criticisms how?"

Why don't you answer the question? I'll repeat it.

"And those are racist when directed at George Bush how?"

So, saying Bush is a retard is just like the Southern strategy and Limbaugh's rants against the competence of black quarterbacks and presidential candidates?

Is that what you're saying?

Say, what did you think of this at the time?

On August 4, 1980, Ronald Reagan began his presidential campaign with a speech near Philadelphia, Mississippi at the annual Neshoba County Fair. During the speech, Reagan told the crowd, "Programs like education and others should be turned back to the states and local communities with the tax sources to fund them. I believe in states rights. I believe in people doing as much as they can at the community level and the private level."[11] He went on to promise to "restore to states and local governments the power that properly belongs to them." Philadelphia was the scene of the June 21, 1964 murder of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and Reagan's critics alleged that the presidential candidate was signaling a racist message to his audience.

Shrub is the mexican translation of Arbusto Dubya's first Oil business.

Chimpy because He looks like a damned chimp.

www.bushorchimp.com

Dumbya well He is Dumb. An educated Man would at least learn how to speak. Hell at least Mel tilus tried to improve His speach impediment.

Larry

hate america
since she said she was proud of America and that her story could only occur in America where does this "she hates America" come from, is this someones wish, or is it a distortion

supply link for her "hate America" statement, please

Regarding 'Southern stragety'....

Don't allow yourselves to fall into the trap of believing that huge swaths of 'ignorant, in-bred, truck-driving, NASCAR-wathing. southerners wilfully vote against their own 'interests' (sic) simply due to racism.

It's a convenient rationalization and it certainly does apply to a small segment of the population, although, I would argue that the Dems have been far more successful in creating class divisions as the black community votes in lockstep with Dems over 90% - no other demographic even remotely comes close for either party, in this regard.

Anyhow, liberal democrats have a tendency to view all issues through the dichotomoy of 'haves and have-nots'. All issues are economic. However, that isn't how much of the American populace thinks.

Ever heard of the phrase, "There's more to life than money."?

Well, it's a perfect illustration as to why so many red-states 'seemingly' vote against their own, economic self-interests in favor of issues that are more important to them. The fact that many on the left, serving as proxies for the Dem party, mock their voting habits as a combination of: Bigotry, racism, stupidity, fairy-tale worship, knuckle-dragging gun-toters, in-breeding, etc. only serves to cement their resolve against what they view as the cultural decay of this country as exemplified by the advocacies of the Democratic party and her staunch supporters.

A man who has his finger on THE BUTTON for eight years and never learns to pronounce "nuclear"? It says a lot about the man and those around him, and none of it good.

Null,

No, they (the Bush derivatives) are not racist.

No, why don't you answer my question:

"And those are any worse than the watered-down versions of Obama-criticisms how?"

Furthermore, how in the hell is calling Obama, an AA candidate, based upon his pathetic resume more racist than calling Clarence Thomas the exact same thing, or worse??

Cook--bad form and unnecessary. Furio --your comment is worse--Where do you guys get off posting like that? Knock it off for one night-yes?

Betel--and Null--I read enough to get the jist and I don't care.

There are plenty of schemes and stories and anedotes we can put out there that come from both parties.

I mention Byrd--but I digress...

It's 40 years ago and not being used--except by ACORN to sign up people who don't exist who are dead and who are illegal.

And ACORN is a friend of Obama--but let's not talk about that--it would be racist.

Cook"I just hope she shaves her back" - you get the ratfuck racist comment of the night award, hands down.

Cook"I just hope she shaves her back" - you get the ratfuck racist comment of the night award, hands down.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

that was a racist comment?

"Furthermore, how in the hell is calling Obama, an AA candidate, based upon his pathetic resume more racist than calling Clarence Thomas the exact same thing, or worse??"

???

You can insult Obama all you want, Jeff. Doesn't bother me. If it's based on policy or his speeches or behavior that's fine. If it's based on his skin color that's something else.

The criticisms of Bush as being stupid have always been based on the fact that he has demonstrated that time after time in speeches, press conferences, interviews, foreign trips, etc., during the last 7 years.

"that was a racist comment?"

Think about it, Eberly.

you get the ratfuck racist comment of the night award, hands down.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

I don't know, Brit.

Last year I took my youngest to and from pre-school each day. Another dad took his daughter on the same day and he had a massively hairy-back.

My next door neighbor and I would joke that if we were to shave his back, we could make a Chewbacca costume with the shavings.

Well, he is white. Does our musings make she and I racist?

re: Ever heard of the phrase, "There's more to life than money."?

Yeah. I think McCain said something about that after he praised the Bush economy and before he couldn't remember (still can't) how many homes he owns.

As for your other point, the Southern Strategy worked, and it was racist as anything. You do have a point in that Democrats are looking to a cultural/social 21st century while Republicans are appealing to the past while royally fucking over most of their voters with regressive tax policies, corporate giveaways and unnecessary wars while shamelessly wrapping themselves in the flag.

(Do you know why McCain likes Abba's "Dancing Queen" so much? Because he was a POW. I kid you not. Google it. It's his stock deflection for everything)

I thought it was just a way of calling her ugly.

If he meant it different then let him defend it.

Laura Bush is a stupid cunt.

See. I can be as coarse as any right winger.

Eb--Cook was referring to Michelle Obama--

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-25 08:34 PM | Reply

Pray tell how is the comments by Reagan racists or signaling?

Onna--

I can't see into her heart--her comment about this is the first time in my adult life I am really proud of this country...is for starters.

The other is that she hangs out in a church that hates America.

If someone were running for POTUS and was a member of the KKK--what would you think was in their heart?

Murphy's response to the actual existence of the Southern Strategy which effectively used racist fear to swing the South solidly Republican:

"Betel--and Null--I read enough to get the jist and I don't care.

There are plenty of schemes and stories and anedotes we can put out there that come from both parties."

What a nation of blithering idiots we've become.

"Well, he is white. Does our musings make she and I racist? "

Do women have hairy backs? I think the racist intent of that statement is fairly obvious, especially considering the source.

Later ya'll. Enjoy the show.

If it's based on his skin color that's something else.

Agreed.

However, here is how I see it:

Bush has given some very good, well-rehearsed, prepared speeches. As has Obama.

Bush has fumbled BIG-time when speaking off-the-cuff, as has Obama, although not to the same degree. On this front, I don't see how using similar epitaphs to denounce Bush and then Obama constitutes racism.

I'd have a little more understanding to the AA candidate comment if we didn't institutionalize policy that discriminates based upon skin-color. You can't on one hand easily tout AA as needed, and then on the other hand bemoan AA-accusations when they seem to have some merit. That is the only reason I brought Clarence Thomas into this - I wasn't trying to deflect. It's just that all of the criticisms of him, mirror SOME of the criticisms of Obama.

Tonight will be Michelle O's, second time she is proud of America!

Murphy-
re: Eb--Cook was referring to Michelle Obama--

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-25 08:34 PM | Reply

I didn't write that. Get your shit straight, and maybe take a history class or something.

Do women have hairy backs?

Not that I am aware of.

You make a good point.

Again. Enjoy the show. See ya'll around.

An aside regarding race and religion -

This past weekend I went with my family and my wife's family for a weekend at Cedar Pointe and an indoor water-park resort called 'Kalihari'.

What an amazing cross-section of the cultural complexity that is America at Kalihari. The clientele was comprised of whites, lotsa mixed couples, blacks, Asians and Arabic Muslims - lotsa Muslim women going down water-slides covered head-to-toe in garb - etc.

Just about every single ethnic possibility all congregating in one area and all seeming to be cool with the differences of others surrounding them. Perhaps the common-tie was that it was obviously a very family-oriented resort, or perhaps that just about everyone present was part of the melting-pot. Regardless, it was cool to be a part of, particularly in light of the bitter conversations we all have regarding race, religion and ethnicity on this site.

Murphy-
Let me spell it out for you. Reagan chose the spot where, "Philadelphia was the scene of the June 21, 1964 murder of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner" to kick off his presidential campaign by talking about "state's rights".

Seriously. Go to your local community college and enroll. You'll enjoy it.

Jeez.

Really going now.

I'd have a little more understanding to the AA candidate comment if we didn't institutionalize policy that discriminates based upon skin-color.

Jeff, I am unaware of any AA factual basis for Obama's education.

I am well aware of the strings used to get Bush his Ivy league schooling.

www.cnn.com

Obama achieved great scholastic achievement. Why does the right feel the need to falsely demean his accomplishments?

Jimmy Carter video coming up.

Here's a pic of me and President Carter when I was invited to perform for he and his wife last year.

i305.photobucket.com

Betel--

You dodged the Reagan question--how is his comment racist or signaling racism?

And for the Repubs who did vote to emancipate the slaves. That counts for nothing to Betel.

Racism is a scorge on our country--from all sides.

It's awful.

I didn't even know what the n word was until we returned here from Bermuda when I was 13.

Blacks there talked with English accents. They did not have chips or anger and were prosperous and popular.

The Dems could be argued to keeping blacks down now--forget about the blatant racism--that stuff is easy to pick out.

What about keeping people down so they can't stand and do better by themselves? I mean we have had 30 -40 years of affirmative action, fair housing, fair education, job quotas, and the like. And where had it gotten the black community? More high school drop outs, more single moms getting pregnant, no fathers raising the kids, prisons for many with no jobs and no wealth. Not all--but many.

That's backdoor racism.

Maybe we need a surge to insist that people graduate HS and go to 2 years of college or four years in the military. We need more black Men teachers--pay them more to teach.

Betel--I will try again because I know you are a smart guy--

On August 4, 1980, Ronald Reagan began his presidential campaign with a speech near Philadelphia, Mississippi at the annual Neshoba County Fair. During the speech, Reagan told the crowd, "Programs like education and others should be turned back to the states and local communities with the tax sources to fund them. I believe in states rights. I believe in people doing as much as they can at the community level and the private level."[11] He went on to promise to "restore to states and local governments the power that properly belongs to them." Philadelphia was the scene of the June 21, 1964 murder of civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, and Reagan's critics alleged that the presidential candidate was signaling a racist message to his audience.

Where in this part of the speech is there racism by Reagan? There were civil rights murders all over the country.

What does that have to do with Reagan saying that education is important and needs to have more control at the state level?

Lord knows that the federal gov't has screwed up the schools 20 years plus later.

If I messed up the italics I apologize in advance...

The other is that she hangs out in a church that "hates"America.

bullcrap and you know it, any black church has valid complaints, are you familar with hangings and beatings and denial of civil rights, and back of the bus.

yet blacks were heroes in WWII, proudly defending our country on land, sea and air. what is the most noted thing Harry Truman did? so take your "she hates America" and shove it up your ____

I served with black Marines, and they loved our country but still fought for inequalities

Shove it bigot!

Great--now we get a tribute to a guy who killed a woman..

Too bad I won't make my presidential choice in November on the candidates' wives. That would be an easy choice. Michelle has Cindy beat hands down.

But alas -- I'm not electing a first lady, so I still have to wait until November to decide.

Murphy-
I guess I'm going to stick around for a moment for this. First, see my 9:06 post. I'm serious about the college thing. I currently am taking classes after work at my local college. It's generally inexpensive and it gets you out of the house and I think you'd enjoy it.
As far as Affirmative Action programs go, I lean with Obama who thinks that more emphasis should be placed on economic status and education level of the parents rather than race.
Regarding Republicans, you are an intelligent woman, but completely ignorant of what the Republicans did in the wake of the civil rights struggles of the 20th century.

Yav,

The right isn't denouncing Obama's scholastic achievements, to the best of my knowledge.

What the right is denouncing, specifically, is Obama's lack of applicable experience to the enormous responsibility and magnitude that is POTUS. Seriously, his positions of true leadership are few and far between. He has barely operated at what I would call an executive level - the US sentate - and THAT is more beaurocratic than leadership (which is a knock on McCain as well).

The AA-rib stems from the fact that he catapaulted into a position that many of us feel he is, at-best, under-qualified for. Fair or not, a part of it seems racial - I can't fathom a white, Obama-clone getting as far as Obama. In fact, marital infidelities notwithstanding, I see a lot of parallels between Edwards and Obama.

It's not about demeaning his accomplishments, Yav. Many of his accomplishments are noteworthy. It's about pointing out that he has operated in what amounts to entry-level positions as a resume-builder for the top-spot of the land. Bush is a great compare and contrast. He certainly held positions where a more analogous degree of responsibility applied. The fact that he didn't perform well, is a huge argument against him. However, at least he could point to true executive, leadership experience. McCain can't do so as much and Obama can barely do so at all.

Murphy-
Just as an example:

What does that have to do with Reagan saying that education is important and needs to have more control at the state level?

See(Google) "Brown v. Board of Education", and "public school integration".

"Great--now we get a tribute to a guy who killed a woman.."

And the Republican convention will be addressed by a man who has killed hundreds of thousands of men, women and children.

As far as Affirmative Action programs go, I lean with Obama who thinks that more emphasis should be placed on economic status and education level of the parents rather than race.

I am cool with scholarships, etc.

My beef is with different standards of aptitude and education based upon any criteria, be it skin-hue, financial background, etc.

Either one has the smarts to pass entry requirements or they don't.

"public school integration".

To the point of absurd bus routes to ensure that all public schools are properly integrated?

Murphy as far as the location where Reagan chose to kick off his campaign, those slain civil rights workers were one black from the South and two civil rights activists from the North (just like Lincoln, as per your previous argument about how wonderful Republicans were 150 years ago).

It might help if you Googled "Jim Crow", as well.

JeffJ-
re: "Either one has the smarts to pass entry requirements or they don't."

So, you think that "smart" children perform the same on standardized tests regardless of whether they have parents, or educated parents, or whether their parents read to them, or whether their parents are in jail, or are Phd's at Harvard?

Interesting, yet blithely ignorant, point.

Posted by onna at 2008-08-25 09:16 PM | Reply

Fine Onna--you can choose to ignore the statements and feelings from the Rev Wright. He disdains America far beyond the usual folks who have complaints.

As long as you would have the same disdain for someone who was a member of the KKK and running for POTUS.

Betel--Don't patrinize me.

""Programs like education and others should be turned back to the states and local communities with the tax sources to fund them. ""

What part of tax sources to fund them don't you understand?

The gov't is miserable on running anything except to fill it's own pockets.

The States with funding know and can do a much better job of educating the people in their state.

Was he saying to disregard laws that enforce fairness and equality for all kids?

No--

The gov't--the federal gov't is failing on education right now. We have a million or more who don't graduate from HS every year and mostly minorities. The failing starts in 4-8th grades and gets worse after that.

Here's a short clip of Barack Obama reciting a script written by "someone" who's controlling him because he's a "little black man child" who is "not a thinker" on Affirmative Action, if anyone is interested:

www.youtube.com

Murphy-
re: "Betel--Don't patrinize me."

My apologies.

'night.

Ted just finished.
He really delivered an inspirational speech for a man who just had a brain tumor removed.

you think that "smart" children perform the same on standardized tests regardless of whether they have parents, or educated parents, or whether their parents read to them, or whether their parents are in jail, or are Phd's at Harvard?

No.

I think that colleges and universities should (and for the most part do) have measurable performance-based aptitude requirements (GPA, extracurricular activites, test scores, etc.) and that said requirements shouldn't be 'adjusted' based upon some bullshit criteria.

I'll cite a personal example. I didn't get accepted to UofM. A high school friend did get accepted with the exact same High School GPA (albeit with fewer honors courses), the exact same ACT score and fewer extracurricular activities. His last name was 'Rodriguez'. When he and I compared notes, he was almost embarassed. His entry was pivotal based upon his writing an essay regarding his ethnic background and the struggles he had growing up as hispanic in America. He was almost apologetic when he shared this with me. His reaction was, "How am I going to write this essay? I am an American. I didn't grow up as a 'hispanic', nor did my parents. I am 2 generations removed from all of this."

Lastly, I have good friends and relatives who work in the public school system. They are quite liberal in their worldview. The one area in which they are monolithic is in regards to neglectful and/or bad parenting. According to them, in very few cases can a mountain of entitlements and all of the 'curving of grading scales and acceptance scales' eradicate the effects of bad-parenting. In fact, when talking about poor-performing school districts, the bad-parenting response is always the first I get.

Interesting, yet blithely ignorant, point.

This bears repeating. One of these days, after being slapped around repeatedly during discourse, you'll maybe learn that intelligent, and well-researched people simply draw different conclusions on a variety of issues from yourself. You typify the 'elitism' tag that is so apt when applied to many who call themselves 'liberal'.

Anyhow, enough of that. Sniping aside, I really did enjoy this discussion.

Gotta run.

Betel--Instead of repeating what some blow hard says about Reagan (who hates Reagan) and racism about what that blow hard says he thinks--

Why not tell us why You Think it is racism or signaling racism?

If because he used the words "turned back" I believe you are misconstruing what he says in the whole speech.

He adds on the whole premise that education is better handled by the state rather than the federal gov't.

No Child Left Behind--is more for accountability and funding--people gripe about it--because they want to skirt the accountability part and just get the funding.

We have laws to protect against discrimination.

And Reagan is calling for a better way to handle education.

We are failing our future generation of kids of every ethnic group because of unions and BS and bureaucracy that won't change because it means they will lose power.

"As long as you would have the same disdain for someone who was a member of the KKK"

Disdain, yes, the KKK was part of those hangings!

if you have political issues with Obama, if you don't his liberal views, if you don't like the Democratic platform, I may disagree but I will respect you. But say his wife hates America and I will call you bad names, she is a truer patriot than you, in spite of often being called a second class citizen she prevailed and loves America!

Onna--I guess it's ok for someone to say "America is a down right mean country".

No matter the color of the person who says it??

If it was a white person would you be ok with that?

I wouldn't..

Murphy,

As to your snide remarks about Ted Kennedy, you DO know Laura Bush killed someone, and her husband is responsible for tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, right?

She is not in office AU--do you see the difference?

And you better include the Congress in that line of yours for folks responsible--however as you see it...

If folks want to see the boredom (don't worry it will be the same boredom for the RNC)

You can turn to C-span for the unfiltered version of the DNC.

Close your eyes and listen to Iowa Rep. Jim Leach. He sounds like Marvin the Martian.

Her husband IS in office, Murphy

Glad you're paying attention COOKFISH. I'll be watching the GOP convention. I noticed how they put Bush and Cheney on Labor Day Monday Night so hardly anyone would notice they're still the standard bearers of the GOP. Half the GOP Congress decided to take a pass at being seen there. Some statement they're making about the popularity of the GOP, eh?

Rep. Jim Leach - Republican

You hear that Maryjo! I'm coming to join you, honey. -Ted "Sanford" kennedy

Murphy

C-SPAN and PBS have the best coverage in my view.

I'm not interested in hearing someone punditize what they think they just heard. I already heard it myself. I'm not too big on cable news networks coverage of the election.

Rep. Jim Leach - Republican

And?

"Sorry I killed your sons and daughters because I didn't plan for trouble" - George W Bush

"And I was stone cold sober when I did it" - George W Bush

"And I was stone cold sober when I did it" - George W Bush

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I was drunker than a skunk, managed to walk 1-1/2 miles, sleep it off and pay off the cops and her family. W ain't shit. -Ted "No autopsy, no case" Kennedy

AU--I agree with the filter--

C-span is pretty good--and they really try to be balanced.

And dont' think that Bush is not sorry for the deaths of our soldiers.

I pray for them and their families every day--no kidding.

OMG! Michelle is getting ready to speak! OMG! OMG!

Claire just gave a good talk--I like her though she is misguided.

get that nerdy talking bowling ball off the air -- let's see the woman hooked by ice-cream. Michele! Michele!

Go Beavers, yeah! What a great name for a team!

Go Beavers, yeah! What a great name for a team!

Posted by member2586

Hell, I thought he was going after the Hillary supporters.

She looks like shit in HD....

What's Aunt Esther's relationship with Obama?

Is that a dress or a sweater?

"Is that a dress or a sweater?"

It ain't Hillary's pant suits.

She looks like shit in HD....

Posted by wisgod at 2008-08-25 10:37 PM

No she doesn't..

But her comment about Hillary is disengenous--and her comment about this country..

But we have to--- oh well--

And that 350k job isn't too bad..better than community service..

block by block--huh huh

equal pay--I have received all my career for the same job as the guys--24 years in insurance always the same..

No he won't--what a bunch of hype crap..

Yes--let's tax the rich--more class warfare and give it people who dont--tax tax tax

Barack Hussein Obama doesn't do anything for me-except steal..

And I don't mind a fair tax--and I give plenty for folks--but Obama wants to tax my profits after getting the taxes.

I can't stand him--sorry to the Obamamites.

Can we get some tears--Yes--we can!!!

She looks like shit in HD....

Posted by wisgod at 2008-08-25 10:37 PM

No she doesn't..
Posted by MURPHY

Then I've got an axe to grind with Sony or my cable provider.

She was quite attractive on my HD set, but I have satellite.

Wis, given your political leanings (just a guess) if McCain looks ok on the cable HD, I wouldn't change to satellite.

I'm just saying.

Michelle's speech couldn't have gone better. She's quite inspiring in her own right.

ok--all done--let's Party!

Mary Jane and prostitutes!

Same for the Republicans-in the RNC-so don't get your panties in a twitch...

michelle says, "hi."

so hoooooooooray for speech therapy!

Michelle hit a homerun tonight. Great Speech.

"Does our musings make she and I racist?"

No, but this comment make they and we dumbasses.

Michelle hit a homerun tonight. Great Speech.

Average at best. What did she really say beyond what has been said on the campaign trail?

Seriously?

Wis, given your political leanings (just a guess) if McCain looks ok on the cable HD, I wouldn't change to satellite.
Posted by YAV

He looks old, so I don't think the problem is on my end.

Seriously, she hit a home run. Denvgray's quite right.

The pettiness of "The right" here tonight is quite satisfying.

Wis, it's that methane cloud over the Brat Stop distorting your UHF signal. She looked fine.

Yav, how far away was the center field fence? 15'?

The girls are as cute as a bug's ear...

Average at best. Well Beachbuzz we know from your earlier post that you are biased against her, but really.

I am admittedly pro-Obama and proud to be so, but that speech by Michelle Obama was the best speech of its kind EVER. EVER. EVER. Absolutely.

The Obama's followed their consciences, worked in service to others rather than reach for the brass ring, are a couple who love each other, and two adorable well adjusted kids.

The American dream personified through hard work and in spite of unseen barriers most of us WASP's never had to face.

Thought it was a great speech.

In a week we can hear Cindy's wonderful love story, "I met him in Hawaii, and even though he was married with kids we fell in love, carried on a 9 month affair behind the scenes, and married when he was divorced. I'm so happy my grandfather was a bootlegger who left me a vast fortune, and that Charles Keating, a man my husband loves, mentored and financed him into politics. I apologize to Carol for being the woman who wrecked his home, but thank the Reagan's for taking her in - well, even though they were pissed at John for leaving her."

Murphy,

Ya, his kids are cute as a button. They're obviously being raised well.

Cindy tonight - where the hell are those pills?

Not ever ever ever..

She can't stand HIllary--but oh well--

She did her job to normalize Obama--she is her husband's wife.

And Bill Kristol is so in the tank for Hillary--have to change stations.

The Obama's followed their consciences, worked in service to others rather than reach for the brass ring, are a couple who love each other, and two adorable well adjusted kids.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Translation: She could have walked on stage, took her clothes off and done a poll dance. I would have the same reaction.

I thought it was a terrific speech by Michelle Obama, and the interchange with Barack and the kids was funny. His youngest daughter didn't want to give up the mike!

David Gergen on CNN kept hoping for more red meat in the speeches tonight, but I think Michelle's speech -- and the lack of partisan venom in the speeches that preceded it -- was the right approach. The public is still getting acquainted with the Obamas. They need to take the measure of them as people, and as Americans. They need to see how she was raised, and how she feels about the country.

Michelle Obama would be a terrific first lady. I hope the bullshit about how she's a radical who doesn't love her country has been put to rest by this evening's speech, though I say that knowing some right wingers won't stop gnawing on that bone.

WISGOD

Nope. No towels or lotion. Man, you're a sicko! LOL Is that what you do when McCain or Bush speak? Bush and Cheney are on Labor Day night so they can slip under the radar (the GOP hope). Amazing the number of GOP Congressmen who are staying away lest they be associated with the Bush administration. Just amazing. Did you have glassy eyes in 2004 when your "War President" spoke? I hope you didn't take it where your sicko mind went tonight LOL

Watched it with some friends on C-SPAN, and then flipped to PBS for commentary from Shields and Brooks, who always manage to give the straight skinny without being partisan hacks.

15'

Har.

Wis, if it didn't move you, that's cool. She sure came across as earnest, real and passionate. I'm curious if Cindy will introduce John in a similar way?

Yeah, McCain looks old, but I honestly don't think 72 by itself means anything. He's had a rough go in life, so he's earned some leeway in the wear and tear department. You know what really annoys me about aging? The difference between men and women and how they are treated. Like what Rush said about Hillary and not wanting to watch her age in office. I hate that kind of stupid degradation.

Michelle's speech is going to sound even better tomorrow. She's dynamic, earnest and passionate.

woof woof..

Translation: She could have walked on stage, took her clothes off and done a poll dance. I would have the same reaction.

McCain's offer in Sturgis?

Hello????

dammit I thought I'd deleted that last " She's dy..." part. Oh well.

WISGOD

Could Barbara Bush give the same kind of testimonial of W? "My son was a meandering drunk, but got his life together in time to run for governor of Texas. THANK GOD! We were tired of bailing him out of trouble".

Your snarking about "Messiah", et al is really old, and something the more pragmatic of us would never even think of. I support candidates based on their stances on issues, their pragmatism, and their ability to lead. Yours seems to be based on puff pieces that make ex drunk cheerleaders come off as the Second Coming.

If anyone's starstruck and gullible it's your side of the aisle.

Yav, keep that up and you'll never get your wings.
All kidding aside, she did ok.

Oh well-

My son and hubby are on their way home from the San Diego Monday Night Foootball game.

Dylan's team was given tickets (2) to be honored in some ceremony before the game.

They got signatures from the players--on their t-shirts under their jerseys.

Too much fun--

Leter folks--

Well, Michelle made her pitch to working folk and military and women. You folks are just like us, and we worked, my folks worked, my brother loves me, Barack's family worked and sacrificed.

It's an attempt to identify with working folk. Of course, Obama's block to block work among dispirited unemployed was misrepresented. He worked as a racial agitator in black neighborhoods exclusively seeking privilege for blacks over whites similarly disenfranchised. But take out the racial element that propelled Barack during his adult life. They are not helpful now.

I wonder if the PR people for the RNC will pick up on a shot of Michelle declaring her love for America today, and run a tape of her previous statement concerning her "first time" (no not sex) regarding positive feelings for America. And ask the question, "Why now?"

She wasn't particularly dynamic or charismatic, but she didn't goof, and she made a calculated pitch to make her family appear "normal," and not detached from the American mainstream.
Again, her pitch to working folks, women, and the military was quite transparent.

Significantly, she did not seem to evoke any sustained emotional response at the convention, which reflected a lack of an ability to elicit spontaneous support, coupled with with poor staging that did not compensate for her inadequacies.

Her family is normal, Johnson. Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap.

He worked as a racial agitator ...

According to who? Barack Obama hasn't been a racial agitator for one minute of his entire life. He's the kind of bridge-building, conciliatory black leader who gives this country a chance to finally move beyond its sorry-ass history of racial discord, but some people are pretending he's the second coming of the Black Panthers just to win an election. That's a damn shame.

"It's an attempt to identify with working folk."
"she made a calculated pitch to make her family appear "normal,""

the words of someone who had his mind made up going in

I thought Michele Obama looked good and made a nice appearance. Her speech was hmmm, so so, but there were no mistakes and it went okay. Nothing to keep you on the edge of your seat.

I notice there is not a lot of genuine excitement at this convention for some reason. Maybe because it's just the first night? I don't know. It's almost like the ones putting on the convention were trying "too hard" to get people roused up -- more talking about how excited they were rather than actually showing it. You can't force excitement for Obama. Either it's there or it's not. Didn't seem much like it was there tonight but I didn't sit and watch the whole thing -- only caught glimpses here and there. Maybe it was just me. Maybe things will pick up later.

Funny, no one I speak to about politics (outside of here) cares much at all for either candidate. No one. I've even spoken to people who have always voted every election say this year they don't even care if they vote and they are folks who are members of both political parties. This year is a big BLAH!

the words of someone who had his mind made up going in

That is WAY too kind. Click on his post history.

CC, what channel were you watching?

Barack Obama hasn't been a racial agitator for one minute of his entire life.

Yes, Rogers.

That's what being a "Community Organizer" is all about: Finding a group of people of a particular race or class, convincing them they're aggrieved, whipping them into a frenzy of resentment and agitation, and then forcing "change" via the political process (unless you're Bill Ayers, in which case you just detonante bombs).

The bigger point here is that dudes like you need to quit distancing yourself from Obama's politics.

He is what he is---and that's a naive, radical leftist who has never quite had the opportunity to learn what America is really about.

He has no association with the military.

He's never run or worked for a business.

He has no idea.

He's the product of a dead-beat father and ignorant white hippie bitch from Kansas.

He's the product of an academic career provided by the silly leftist shit that constitutes instructorship in Ivy League institutions.

He's the product of his tenure in the criminal machine that constitutes the Chicago Democrat party.

The guy is a fucking joke---just like his party has become.

Anti-Bush hysterics and the sentiments of the left-wing blogosphere are a gruel that can feed only a very small cross-section of people who vote.

That's about to become heart-breakinglyapparent to you and your ilk.

CNN

But maybe it was just my mood, YAV.

I'll withhold judgment until Friday.
After all it's just getting going and this is the first day of the convention. But I'm not a Obamamanic like some on here. Yeah, he's an okay guy but doesn't stir any rousing passion that's for sure. To me he's just the only alternative in order not to have 4 more years of Bush's so far horrendous foreign and domestic policies which I know I'd be getting with McCain. Plenty of Obama fanatics on here but the Dems I know outside of here aren't swooning and drooling like they are on DR. You can't force excitement if it's not there. Sorry. People will do their duty and vote but the excitement just isn't there. I think part of the reason for the apathy is that this damn campaign has gone on soooooo long people are burned out. I know I am.

"That's what being a "Community Organizer" is all about: Finding a group of people of a particular race or class, convincing them they're aggrieved, whipping them into a frenzy of resentment and agitation, and then forcing "change" via the political process (unless you're Bill Ayers, in which case you just detonante bombs)."

Translation: I despise democracy when it's exercised by groups of citizens who don't have wealth, power, armies of lobbyists and political connections and therefore must resort to grass-roots organizing to make their voices heard.

"AU, do you have the paper towels and hand lotion ready?" Posted by wisgod

Gee I was cleaning the cat's litter box and plumb forgot all about it and heaven knows I need a good whack ...err prostrate cancer preventive therapy now and then. Well there's always Pelosi.

Translation: I despise democracy when it's exercised by groups of citizens who don't have wealth, power, armies of lobbyists and political connections and therefore must resort to grass-roots organizing to make their voices heard.

Translation: My definition of "democracy" is whoring my sense of self-worth and self-sufficiency out by condensing all the world into neat little prisms of race and class---and then playing upon those resentments to build entire legions of dumbfucks who feel their only recouse is to suckle at the collectivist teat.

I despise democracy when it's exercised by groups of citizens...

Except its not "exercised by groups of citizens".

Its "exercised" by Alinsky/Marxist trained, Ivy-Leagued agitators who descend upon communities and infect them with self-defeating bullshit.

Posted by rcade at 2008-08-25 11:46 PM

He worked as a racial agitator ...

According to who?

According to whom? His record, which speaks for itself.
Barack Obama hasn't been a racial agitator for one minute of his entire life.

That was his job description when he worked the Chicago streets in the years before he went to law school.
He's the kind of bridge-building, conciliatory black leader ...

He certainly manifested that with his affiliation with hate-mongers. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, remember his mentor, and their affiliate, praiseworthy from their perspective, Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam.

Yes indeed, this is certainly a resume that describes a bridge builder. Aren't those two power centers, Wright and Farrakhan, separatists. Is separatist ideology consistent with "bridge building?"

... who gives this country a chance to finally move beyond its sorry-ass history of racial discord ...

How will Obama's selection "alleviate" racial discord? What aspects of it? Think about it for a while, left brain rather than right brain, analysis instead of inexpressible intuition.
... but some people are pretending he's the second coming of the Black Panthers ...

For the moment setting aside Obama's constant exposure to hate group separatist black liberation ideology for approximately two decades as a matter of his choice, let's look at his affiliations. He was sufficiently close to Bill Ayers that when Ayers received the grant of more than $125 million, Ayers chose Obama to be the head executive dispensing funds (in an effort that produced no benefit according to the post mortem). But you know that Bill Ayers is an unregenerate revolutionary bomb-thrower, who escaped imprisonment for domestic terrorist activities on a technicality. Black Panther ideology? Bill Ayers ideology? What is the Ayers-Obama magnetism. Is there like thinking? What?
... just to win an election. That's a damn shame.

Different people have different values. The word "just" diminishes the dimension of "election." There are huge amounts of money at stake, which is why so many pragmatic individuals devote money and effort to influencing outcomes.

And there are people for whom power is the attraction. Politics draws narcissists, who enhance their own image to match their ego-inflated visions of themselves.

The words "mere," or "just," have no place as the outcome of an election is the be-all for many of these people, the key to their putative happiness and fulfillment, their "raisons de etre." Certainly for most people, the outcome of the election is far more important than the depiction of Obama. Why are you so protective of Obama's image? In the greater scheme of things, why is it of any importance, especially when compared to something as momentous as the distirubtion of money and power resulting from the election outcome, which will affect the lives of hundreds of millions. A little perspective, please. The sentimental indulgence that would make Obama's image of any concern in relation to the election outcome, confounds me.

"entire legions of dumbfucks who feel their only recouse is to suckle at the collectivist teat."

But enough about corporate welfare....

"That was his job description "

Racial agitator?!?

Once again, Johnson shows no hesitation to out-and-out lie.

Michelle's presentation was, of course, scripted. She has been a loose cannon when left on her own to make spontaneous observations, and after a couple of gaffes, she was kept under wraps.

Her "speech" will be considered by many to be an oratorical "act" devoted to presenting other peoples' carefully considered and devised material. It certainly was not reflective of Michelle, but is a concoction of speech writers.

Her "act" was passable. but it certainly does not advise us concerning the real Michelle. Her former spontaneous statements reveal far more of her being than "the speech."

Poor old Pince and Johnson, that astroturfing must be hard on their souls.

"It certainly was not reflective of Michelle"

How many straws did you collect with that grasp, Johnson?

Why won't you people embrace Obama and what he stands for?

Why are you running from it?

Drop some sack.

ACORN.

Gamaliel.

Wright.

Ayers.

That's Obama Hussein.

That's change you can believe in.

Just be honest.

At least you'll be respected, if not in power.

Johnson is trying to say that Michelle didn't seem as fiery as usual.

she was subdued for sure.

a little detached.

certainly detuned

it was Michelle Obama-Lite. she should have wore red.

Hussein lovers are dropping the sack Pinche, just not in the 'regular way'...

"Poor old Pince and Johnson, that astroturfing must be hard on their souls."

Like I said, they despise democracy when it's exercised by anyone other than the privileged few whom they serve.

Hussein lovers are dropping the sack Pinche, just not in the 'regular way'...

Ideology is the boiling water.

The sheer fucking stupidity of his sycophants is the Lipton.

We are still here to laugh at it Pinche.....Get that high speed yet?

Like I said, they despise democracy when it's exercised by anyone other than the privileged few whom they serve.

No, Bill.

I'm for the guy who goes to work every day and busts his ass to produce.

You're understanding of the world in which that guy lives leads to policies that make his life worse.

I'm sorry you've invested so many years of your life believing otherwise.

One of these failed elections, you're going to finally figure it out--and "Keynesian Economics" (and their requisite political sentiments) will be relegated to the same pile as "Eugenics".

Until then, you're simply investing in chronic disappointment.

"I'm for the guy who goes to work every day and busts his ass to produce."

Produce for your corporate masters, sure. They need servants all right. I hope you're getting enough pieces of gold.

Try and find commen ground.

Produce for your corporate masters, sure. They need servants all right. I hope you're getting enough pieces of gold.

Attaboy, Engles.

Nothing to lose but my chains.

Somebody needs to put your ass in a museum.

""I'm for the guy who goes to work every day and busts his ass to produce."

Produce for your corporate masters, sure. They need servants all right. I hope you're getting enough pieces of gold."

He probably gets a buck a throw to astroturf these threads.

Last night we found out that Michelle loves this country , we also found that right wingers hate her, but in focus groups throughout this country we found that people are tired of the hate. One focus group in a nearby university after the speech basically said buzz off haters. Its time to leave the hate behind, Im for that, like Michelle I love this country and like my 5 brothers we all served in the armed forces, because of that love. It was our obligation to serve. So continue your hate if you wish, but it will get you nowhere, you will only impress your fellow haters.

Somebody needs to put your ass in a museum.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Says the dumbshit who sees marxists under his bed.

I'm for the guy who goes to work every day and busts his ass to produce."

Those are the people you've continually called "monkeys with wrenches" and "wrench turners"
You're the worst type of elitist, pinche...the guy lucky enough to get somewhere via the sperm lottery, who spits on "dumb" workers because their job is somehow beneath you.

Well, Mista Kurtz, there's a saying somewhat along the lines of not to expect a person to take a position that conflicts with their way of earning a living. A corporate shill like Pinche can't help it. His livelihood influences his ideology.

Except I don't work for a "corporation" you dumb-shit.

we also found that right wingers hate her

"Right wingers" don't "hate" her.

One focus group in a nearby university after the speech basically said buzz off haters. Its time to leave the hate behind

No.

Its time to start understanding what's behind the ideology of the people who seek to run this country.

PINCHE

You know damn well you jumped up and down when Bush ran and was elected then reelected.

I could hear you all glassy eyed you at your high school, "Them damn libruls ain't shit, eh cowpokes? (snicker snicker snicker"

Then, when he made himself a 'war president' you were all misty eyed, looking on in awe at your Texas hero - who was in all actuality an idiot east coast dime store cowboy ex cheerleader who fooled you into thinking he was the second coming of Davy Crockett.

You're one to talk you one dimensional cow wrestler

At least we know an intelligent, principled candidate when we see one. We don't get fooled by morons wrapped in Karl Rove's coat.

Those are the people you've continually called "monkeys with wrenches" and "wrench turners"

Because their thug unions force businesses to pay them $60.00 an hour to turn a fucking wrench---on a single fucking bolt--on an assembly line.

There's nothing respectable about that.

And there's no tears to be shed when that monkey has his job outsourced.

"Its time to start understanding what's behind the ideology of the people who seek to run this country."

Well we certainly know the ideology of the present day rulers, and the results.

AU,

In 2000, the first time I voted for Bush, I was lukewarm about it.

I liked the fact that he was a real plain talker and he seemed to understand the value of a good, hard-day's work. I had concerns about his lack of experience, but said concerns were somewhat mitigated when he listed out his cabinet appointments.

In 2004 I wasn't enthused at all. I cast my vote as a pragmatic vote against Kerry, for the most part.

You know damn well you jumped up and down when Bush ran and was elected then reelected.

Please see my 12:05 post.

To wit:

Anti-Bush hysterics and the sentiments of the left-wing blogosphere are a gruel that can feed only a very small cross-section of people who vote.

Then go fuck yourself.

Bush isn't running for election. :)

Well we certainly know the ideology of the present day rulers, and the results.

And we certainly know the poll numbers.

Somethings not adding up, is it?

"Because their thug unions"

When workers organize they are thugs. When corporations become oligopolies and monopolies that's just good old capitalism.

Bush isn't running for election. :)

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 01:47 AM | Reply

Yes he is. As McCain.

I hope they have better stuff tomorrow. After watching the Chinese rock the Olympics the Democratic Convention is kinda of a letdown so far.

I wanna see some serious Bush Bashing. I am kinda with that old marine fart James Carville... the Dems need to go for the throat. He is a bit crazy but he is also a bit right. The Rethugs are so good at this and the Dems have such a hard time going on the attack.

Now the feel good stuff is over so now is the time to go on the offensive and take any momentum from McLame and his poopypants squad.

"And we certainly know the poll numbers.

Somethings not adding up, is it?"

Well I wouldn't expect Nader to be getting more than 5 percent given the total corporate media blackout of his campaign.

When workers organize they are thugs

When the people who "organize" them cause them to to lose their jobs due to economic illiteracy.....

Yeah.

Fucking thugs.

Well I wouldn't expect Nader to be getting more than 5 percent given the total corporate media blackout of his campaign.

Its always a fucking conspiracy, isn't it?

Shitty leftist politics aren't just a series of discredited ideas.

They're just being suppressed by The Man.

And we certainly know the poll numbers.

Somethings not adding up, is it?

Posted by Pinche_Mao

The Battleground Poll, the most respected and thorough of all public opinion polls, released its latest results on August 20th. Although many people read this poll for the data on voter preference in upcoming elections, for voter opinions about the two major political parties, for what things matter most to voters, I always zip past this data in the first fifteen pages of poll results and go straight to Question D3, which very quietly and totally ignored proclaims the biggest missing story in American politics and which is the only story, in the long run, that really matters.....

What is Question D3 and what were the results to Question D3 in the August 20, 2008 Battleground Poll? It is this:

"When thinking about politics and government, do you consider yourself to be...

Very conservative

Somewhat conservative

MODERATE

Somewhat liberal

Very liberal

UNSURE/REFUSED"
.....
In August 2008, Americans answered that question this way: (1) 20% of Americans considered themselves to be very conservative; (2) 40% of Americans considered themselves to be somewhat conservative; (3) 2% of Americans considered themselves to be moderate; (4) 27% of Americans considered themselves to be somewhat liberal; (5) 9% of Americans considered themselves to be very liberal; and (6) 3% of Americans did not know or refused to answer.

Sixty percent of Americans considered themselves conservative. Does this mean that most Americans do not know what "conservative" means? No: The question specifically provides an out to people who are not sure about their ideology; it provides an out to people who want to be considered "moderate." Americans reject those choices. They overwhelmingly define themselves as "conservative." This is a huge political story - except that it is not "new" at all. Look at the thirteen Battleground Poll results over the last six years, and how do Americans answer that very question? Here are the percentages of Americans in those polls who call themselves "conservative" since June 2002: 59% (June 2002 poll), 59% (September 2003 poll), 61% (April 2004 poll), 59% (June 2004 poll), 60% (September 2004 poll), 61% (October 2005 poll), 59% (March 2006), 61% (October 2006), 59% (January 2007), 63% (July 2007), 58% (December 2007), 63% (May 2008), and now 60% (August 2008.)


www.americanthinker.com

Gotta run.

Keep it real, kids.

I wanna see some serious Bush Bashing

Except Bush isn't running for election, dipshit.

I'd suggest you internalize that concept and apply it to your prosthelytizing.

Nader?

How's his prediction of Obama choosing Hillary as his running mate working out?

Seriously, anybody who thought HRC was going to be on Obama's ticket doesn't deserve anyone's vote. Nader was merely proffering his ignorance.

"Its always a fucking conspiracy, isn't it?"

Who said anything about a conspiracy? The media can't be bothered with 3rd party candidacies; they've got a horserace and ratings to be concerned with. It's just business and the pursuit of profits.

"How's his prediction of Obama choosing Hillary as his running mate working out?"

He was wrong. Big fucking deal. He is still the only progressive running.

Who said anything about a conspiracy?

You.

The media can't be bothered with 3rd party candidacies

Because they don't generate enough interest.

It's just business and the pursuit of profits.

Why cover something no one's interested in?

Do you want a state-controlled media that gives "equal coverage" to every stupid ass that runs for political office?

Or are you just talking out your frustrated, leftist ass?

"He was wrong. Big fucking deal"

At the 11th hour. When anyone with any sense knew it wouldn't be Hillary. It IS a big deal: it speaks to his grasp on reality.

He is still the only progressive running.

LOL.

"Progressive"?

Is that what you call long-discredited, left-wing bullshit?

There's nothing "progressive" about it.

If my dog shits on the floor, I can try to convince my wife that its a piece of "modern art" that makes a "statement"---because I don't feel like cleaning it up.

Unfortunately for me, she understands that its just a piece of shit.

"The media can't be bothered with 3rd party candidacies"
Because they don't generate enough interest.

Incidentally, neither do 4th, 5th or 6th party candidacies.

Why cover something no one's interested in?

I think we all have to admit, if Nader is getting 5% (or 3%, or whatever) of the vote, he's not getting the corresponding percentage of the stories.

"It IS a big deal: it speaks to his grasp on reality."

Oh, horseshit. He wasn't the only pundit who thought it was the best choice.

"You."

I never said it was a conspiracy, jackass. Learn to read.

JEFFJ

I know you're not a Rushbot.

"Is that what you call long-discredited, left-wing bullshit?"

Yawn. Saying it over and over ad nauseum doesn't make your ideological horseshit any more true. You want to be a corporate shill spending your time manufacturing apologetics for your masters, go ahead.

Except Bush isn't running for election, dipshit.

Yes he is. His name is John McCain

George Bush's 3rd Term

What's worse is McCain doesn't stand for anything he did just a couple of years ago - except abortion and war. Whooptee Doo !!

He's become the record breaking "Pander Bear" of the 21st century. Some will buy his BS hook, line, and sinker regardless of the fact he's abandoned all principle in a shameless tact to the right to sucker guys like PINCHE into voting for him:

John McCain's 61 flip flops morphing into George W Bush term III

I hope there are some good reruns on tnt or nickatnight........you know....something worth watching..........

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-08-25 07:08 PM |

i figured you would have the "best of bush's unscripted news conferences" dvd box set to watch......all none of them.

Except Bush isn't running for election, dipshit.

I'd suggest you internalize that concept and apply it to your prosthelytizing.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 02:01 AM

Hmm isn't he the one that has been in charge the last 8 years?

I say he has a lot of SPLAININ TO DO LUCY!

If you didn't know that YOU are the dipshit...

If your wife could recognize a piece of shit for what it is, you wouldn't be married, pinche.

to sucker guys like PINCHE into voting for him

1.) I'm voting against Hussein.

2.) Because I'm fairly certain that I'm both better eductaed and better informed that you, I can assure you that no one is "suckering" me into voting against a closeted, radical Communist.

I can't tell you how funny it is reading posts from people who voted for a guy who's finger is on THE button, yet can't even pronounce "nuclear".

educated

self retorting retort

"I can't tell you how funny it is reading posts from people who voted for a guy who's finger is on THE button, yet can't even pronounce "nuclear"."

Pinche voted for Carter?

Hmm isn't he the one that has been in charge the last 8 years?

Yes.

But he's not running for President.

Dipshit.

I say he has a lot of SPLAININ TO DO LUCY!

I'd figure the polls might refelect that.

But they don't.

I recommend self-reflection.

Not Bush-bashing.

Every 4 years its the same song and dance from the authoritarian right wingers-

2000 Al Gore is the biggest leftist in the US. He's an elitist.
McCain is the manchurian candidate/brainwashed by commies.

2004 Kerry is the biggest leftist in the US.
Kerry is the manchurian candidate/brainwashed by commies. He's an elitist.

2008 Obama is the biggest leftist in the US AND he's been brainwashed by commies like the manchurian candidate. He's an elitist.

The pattern here is pretty simple: Anyone who runs against the ultra conservative poster boy of the time(bush twice, now mccain ironically) is a communist socialist piece of shit worth a gazillion dollars, regardless of what party they came from, or what the actual reality is.

Get a new script, please. We're bored.

If your wife could recognize a piece of shit for what it is, you wouldn't be married, pinche.

Doesn't quite work when you do it, Francis.

Too self-conscious an application.

Sorry.

I can assure you that no one is "suckering" me into voting against a closeted, radical Communist.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 02:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

You mean like McCain was painted by asshats with your ideology in 2000?

Oh, you're being suckered all right...

Get a new script, please.

We won those elections.

"New script" not necessary.

I'd suggest you begin to rethink some things.

I recommend self-reflection.

Not Bush-bashing.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 02:37 AM

nope time to expose the fool for what he is...

time to take off the gloves friend...

I'm not saying to go to the "dark side" like Bush and Cheney but to shed some light on it. It's time for the bullshit to end. And it's time to get to work solve the myriad problems that face us as a Nation. Not starting wars to try and avoid them.

You need to reflect on the evil that is this Administration and you need to reflect the need to change course now and Obama is the man to make that change happen.

and remember

Bush=McCain!

You mean like McCain was painted by asshats with your ideology in 2000?

I don't care what happened to McCain in 2000.

That was 8 years ago.

We have a truly un-American shitbag running against him in 2008.

That's the hand we're dealt.

Adjust accordingly.

That's "nuance".

Fuck, I'm "smart".

We won those elections.

Which is all that matters, of course. The fact that you guys lied your asses off doesn't matter, since it's all zero-sum.

But then *gasp* your leaders lie to YOU and don't govern the way you expected.(W- I will not nation build, we need an exit strategy for wars, for example)

So really, nobody fucking won. The scorched earth bullshit your party spews has screwed the entire country into the ground, asshole. Thanks.

So really, nobody fucking won. The scorched earth bullshit your party spews has screwed the entire country into the ground, asshole. Thanks.

LOL.

I'll take my chances with McCain.

And my country's not "in the ground".

We're doing quite well, actually.

Go hyperbole, though!

We have a truly un-American shitbag running against him in 2008.

And in 2012 it will be another "elitist commie manchurian", so we won't have time to look at the past.

How convenient.

I suppose the irony escapes you. McCain was being accused of damn near everything Obama is eating now. 8 years ago. And his voting record isn't THAT much different.

The common denominator is that anyone who runs against the republican party candidate gets this treatment, whteher it fits or not.

Someday we me actually have a true Manchurian candidate, but by then your cries of wolf will be ignored. Idiots.

"But he's not running for President."

Just the guy who agreed with him 100% of the time this past year, 95% of the time the year before, and 90% of the time over Bush's administration.

That's right folks: as the country has gone further and further away from Bush, McCain has gotten closer and closer. He wants to continue Bush's war, Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest, Bush's idea of torture, and Bush's view on borrowing billions of dollars so we can eliminate a tax only effecting multi-millionaires and billionaires.

But Bush isn't running for President...nuh-uh, nope, no way, not at all.

"And my country's not "in the ground". We're doing quite well, actually."

This is a man who can't read a balance sheet.


And my country's not "in the ground".

We're doing quite well, actually.


You really are a fool. We are worse off than we were 8 years ago in praxtically every measurable way.

But since your texas economy is doing OK the rest of us can go fuck ourselves, right? Your grandkids are gonna look at the enormous debt you people left them, dig you up and piss on your corpses.

And my country's not "in the ground".

We're doing quite well, actually.

Go hyperbole, though!

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 02:49 AM

Ummmm if your country is Mexico who the fuck are YOU kidding? It is a sorry piece of shit right now.

Are you drunk? Ummm how many Mexicans are heading South?

Pinche voted for Carter?

Posted by Danforth

(Shhhhh. You don't want PINCHE knowing Carter was a nuclear engineer who could pronounce 'nuclear' - unlike Bush)

PINCHE

Your daddy may have a couple of bucks, you may live in a cocoon there in Texas, but the rest of the country isn't doing so well.

I know. It's hard to find out things when you have to wait 5 minutes per page to load on dialup, but trust me on this one.

"I'll take my chances with McCain."

What is it that draws you the most: tax cuts for billionaires at your expense, law based on fear-mongering instead of the Constitution, or invading countries which pose no threat?

PS Danforth

PINCHE wasn't alive when Carter ran for office.

This is a man who can't read a balance sheet.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-26 02:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Trust funder of the wannabe aristocracy class. What did you expect?

Signed- wrench turning scum that needs to be ruled by the upper 1%.

oh he is Texas....err Northern Mexico!

"PINCHE wasn't alive when Carter ran for office."

No shit? That would explain a lot.

"Your daddy may have a couple of bucks"
"Trust funder of the wannabe aristocracy class."

??? What do you know that I don't know?

Danforth- hey now, neither was I.

And I'm not stupid enough to write this: "
And my country's not "in the ground".
We're doing quite well, actually.
Go hyperbole, though!"

In fact, I may be younger than Pinche. I just didn't inherit a ranch and a chip on my shoulder.

"hey now, neither was I."

That doesn't matter...you've shown intelligence.

And in 2012 it will be another "elitist commie manchurian", so we won't have time to look at the past.

How convenient.

I suppose the irony escapes you.

The irony is that you dipshits continue to lose elections.

Because you premise your campaigns on the idea that "America has been run into the ground".

Meanwhile, people like me have to go to work and produce---and otherwise live our lives.

Nighty-night :)

??? What do you know that I don't know?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-26 02:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

He was on here on night drunk, bragging about interning on 3 continents, having 3 degrees, a high paying job, and a dad with nice land and a ranch he worked for.

The next day he sobered up and tried to pass his life off as "hand to mouth" but betelg took him apart. As we all know no conservative can be a rich man of privilege. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps and is self made. *snort*

Like I said. The worst type of elitist. Thinks he's 100% self made and won't admit the perks he was born with, but any worker more lowly than him economically is a "wrench turner" and stupid. Any politicians that tried to help the "wrench turners" are soclialist scumbags. Aristocrtas like W and reagan, who use supply side economics, are bootstrap americans...it's orwellian beyond belief.

But I highly doubt if pinche has the cold hard cash of his superior heroes. Hence, he's a wannabe.

Because you premise your campaigns on the idea that "America has been run into the ground".

Yeah, that was exactly Al Gore's message when running after Clinton. LOL.

Recognizing our problems is the first step to solving them. of course, since your life is dandy and you don't give a fuck about anyone else, nothing need change.

Who cares about 9 trillion in debt, right? Who cares that our manufacturing base got shipped overseas to save campanies money. Funny that the "savings" doesn't seem to really pass on to us, since CEO pay compared to their workers has exploded, while the value of the dollar has gone down significantly.(in your words, we have "little brown people" to make our stuff now) Nevermind the fact that if we enter a war with a serious enemy, like say..china or russia..(commies!) the lack of manufacturing in the US will kill us.

You're a self centered fool.

"and otherwise live our lives."

After the new info, I'm betting it's mostly "otherwise".

interning on 3 continents

True

having 3 degrees

2 continents.

a high paying job

Bullshit.

and a dad with nice land

Chihuahuan desert

and a ranch he worked for.

I go home and guide hunters.

The next day he sobered up and tried to pass his life off as "hand to mouth" but betelg took him apart.

You're just fucking lying, now.

Recognizing our problems is the first step to solving them. of course

So is being honest about the extent of them.

since your life is dandy and you don't give a fuck about anyone else, nothing need change.

I wouldn't say "dandy", but I was smart enough not to be some unionized piece of shit that thought $100,00 a year to turn a bolt was a sustainable way to make a living.

Bullshit indeed.

Betelg took you apart over having a family job to run back to. Who else here grew up on a fucking ranch but tries to pass themsevles off a some sort of self-made man?

No one. Just you "marlboro man".

You also bragged about guiding rich hunters and getting paid mad dollars for it.

"nitey nite", fraud. Don't you have Manly man stuff to do in the morning, mr. working class hero with stock options?

I wouldn't say "dandy", but I was smart enough not to be some unionized piece of shit that thought $100,00 a year to turn a bolt was a sustainable way to make a living.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-08-26 03:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, you're a real working class hero that lives hand to mouth, pinche. masters degree, stock options, a family ranch.

How did you ever fucking survive? I can't wait for the autobiography: "My life on the streets of Texas: How one man gave birth to himself, earned everything he ever got, and remained rugged."

Betelg took you apart over having a family job to run back to.

Its not a family job to run back to.

It doesn't produce enough income to support more than one family.

Who else here grew up on a fucking ranch but tries to pass themsevles off a some sort of self-made man?

I'll let the ignorance inherent to that question speak for itself.

You also bragged about guiding rich hunters and getting paid mad dollars for it.

When I chose to do so, I get paid to guide rich hunters---in addition to what they pay the ranch for the privilege of hunting here.

Your understanding of how the world works outside of the rust-belt of Michigan is relegated to episodes of "Dallas".

OK, pinche...let's get the narrative straight.

You DON'T have a high paying job after interning on 3 continents and getting 3 degrees on 2 of them?

And the unionized people are the stupid ones? hahahahaha.

a family ranch.

Do you think having a family ranch is an indicator of great wealth and privilege?

Are you that fucking ignorant?

And the unionized people are the stupid ones?

Yes.
hahahahahaha

I make a living knowing how to do stuff that is worth something to people.

Turning a bolt for $60.00 an hour isn't something that is worth something to people.

Sorry you're so impotently angry about that.

I'll let the ignorance inherent to that question speak for itself.

Grow up in a homeless shelter or a shitty part of town and I'll be impressed.

Pretending you didn't have a pot to piss in while growing up on a huge spot of land with a ranch, and being able to afford an extensive education and the travel expenses for 2 other continents, is fucking laughable. You're so rugged!

See, some of us with money can admit how blessed we were by the support of our friends, family, and system that fed us and educated us. But not the far right winger. Everything he had he EARNED with HARD WORK. No luck or privilege in his world!

PS- Why is it these hard right wingers can't ever admit to being anything above "middle class"? If being wealthy is such a blot on your lives, give the money away. Ben Stein was on the other night claiming not to know what "rich" was, in response to McCains idea of 5 million a year being the benchmark. 5 million a year!

Betelg took you apart

LOL...

Couldn't overlook that part...

Do you think having a family ranch is an indicator of great wealth and privilege?

It's more than I had. And I don't run around claiming to be a working class hero, like you pinche.

Maybe i'm too honest to not recognize the advantages I had growing up, as well as the hard work. Then again, I don't feel the need to rewrite my origins in order to call other people lazy or stupid. Sorry you're so impotent that you have to, pinche.

PS- I don't turn a bolt for 60 bucks an hour or whatever. Also don't look down upon people that do. Without manufacturing jobs we wouldn't be having this conversation(such as it is) on a fucking computer someone else designed and produced at nearly 4 in the morning.

If you were as "poor" as you pretend to be, you couldn't afford to be posting right now, son. So spare us all the "marlboro man" narrative. You're not a blue collar farmer...you're a guy educated in enviromental services, not a swisher sweet smoker riding a backhoe and tending crops, ya fraud.

Grow up in a homeless shelter or a shitty part of town and I'll be impressed.

Impressing you is of no import to me.

Pretending you didn't have a pot to piss in

Never pretended that.

while growing up on a huge spot of land with a ranch

True.

and being able to afford an extensive education and the travel expenses for 2 other continents

I paid for that.

You're just shrieking and throwing rocks, Francis.

I'm just a middle class guy that worked his ass off his whole life---but got his education.

I have complete contempt for unionized labor.

You're just a lot dumber middle-class guy that can't understand how anyone can possibly have contempt for unionized labor.

Nighty-night, pumpkin :)

not a swisher sweet smoker riding a backhoe and tending crops

You don't "ride a backhoe" to tend crops.

And you don't "tend crops" in the process of raising cattle.

Your ignorance is atrocious---as is your understanding of how the world works.

One cliche after another.

You're not a blue collar farmer...you're a guy educated in enviromental services

Actually, I'm both.

(Except for the "farmer" part)

That might be the source of your confusion.

I'm just a middle class guy that worked his ass off his whole life---but got his education.

Bullshit. You're as phony as a three dollar bill. Everyone of your posts drips with the "I'm a REAL worker on a farm" BS. Yeah! I even work with animals, I don't wear berkenstocks, i wear cowboy boots and drink coors lite isntead of lattes.

You've built yourself up over the years as some sort of rough and tumble farmer, and used that narrative to rip on "liberal pussies", when really, you're an elitist pretending to be a self-made man. You got drunk and let the truth fly out there, and it kinda doesn't gel with your ideology, does it?

You're just a lot dumber middle-class guy that can't understand how anyone can possibly have contempt for unionized labor.

See, I'm not gonna lie like you have. I'm NOT middle class. And living in MI I DO have some contempt for the excesses of unionized labor. Unlike you, I've seen the damage from it firsthand.

I just have more contempt for the corporate worlds repsonse to it: shipping our manufacturing base overseas to save themselves, and pretty much no one else, money.

Unions may suck, and they may have become too powerful and turned into bureacracies...but what they're fighting is even worse, and continues to remain worse: Corporate greed.

PS- Without unions your job, even outside of a union, wouldn't have nearly as many perks. You live on the systems benefits, while badmouthing them, AND pretending to be a bootstrap american.

In that way you're a typical hard right wing hypocrite. Phony as a 3 dollar bill.

Pinche- you're not blue collar, as much as you'd like to be. Unless you blew all your money in stupid way...

I was joking about the backhoe. "phony farmer" and all. Glad to see you got the humor, genius. lol

You can't even keep your own narrative straight, either. You raise cattle in texas, take out rich hunters, and do enviro work, and STILL claim you get blue collar money ONLY. Yet, somehow you and goatman say the texas economy is so great and YOU say the country isn't in the pits. Plus you've also got several degrees with no high end paying job? Huh? Wha?

None of this makes any sense. If it's all true I'd suggest you get a career counselor. You're fucking something up, chief. If all those jobs you do is only making you middle class...fuck, do you have a gambling addiction or something?

I mean, really...I've met workers at GM who do ONE job, and live better than middle class with 2 or more kids. Met people who worked ONE job with less degrees than you, in a worse state economy and retired early, never to work again. People with big families, too.

What the fuck are you blowing your money on? Or are you just a bad liar?

make a living knowing how to do stuff that is worth something to people.

Obviously it's not worth very much.

I wanna see some serious Bush Bashing

Pelosi threw out some red meat earlier on but the networks talked over it. The real bashing starts tommorow. Tonight was Michelle's night to obliterate the charicature of her that the right have tried to peddle to date.

She did this beautifully.

Talked about her family with real passion and with her shared values with Barack, her belief in him and in America. Showed those heretofor missing Blue Collar Dems that she comes from where they are. Calling her dad with MS her Hero was a genuinely touching moment.

She was real, down to earth, authentic.

She made the smears about her being some type of America-hating, radical elitist seem downright laughable.

Well done!, thought Spud.

Apparently not everyone thought so.

Except Bush isn't running for election, dipshit.

You keep saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that McCain voted 95% with Dumbya and has over the course of his campaign thrown out his previous moderate "Maverick" stances in order to become a creature wholly owned by the GOP and their Talibaptist elements.

McCain = Bush.

Bush, fer crimes against humanity including kidnapping and torture and lying a country to war is a truly unAmerican piece of shit.

McSame, fer adopting BushCo's policies whole heartedly is also a truly unAmerican piece of shit.

Mao, fer supporting both shitheads is...

Well, you get the picture.

Be Well.

Text book crock of shit speech. Of course I couldn't listen, I just read the entire pile of manure. How stupid does she think people ar?

"He'll achieve these goals the same way he always has - by bringing us together and reminding us how much we share and how alike we really are. You see, Barack doesn't care where you're from, or what your background is, or what party - if any - you belong to."

There she goes...Barack doesn't care what party your from? Well how many times has he said no more politics of old....or a vote for McCain is a vote for GW....or the "background" thing again...did she tell you he was black, too???

Read her stupid speech, then tell me it wasn't contribed horse shit....

Oh and he's such a good dad, did I tell you he drove us home from the

"And in the end, after all that's happened these past 19 months, the Barack Obama I know today is the same man I fell in love with 19 years ago. He's the same man who drove me and our new baby daughter home from the hospital ten years ago this summer, inching along at a snail's pace, peering anxiously at us in the rearview mirror, feeling the whole weight of her future in his hands, determined to give her everything he'd struggled so hard for himself, determined to give her what he never had: the affirming embrace of a father's love."

Sniffle sniffle....so vote for him FOR THE CHILDREN

"Read her stupid speech, then tell me it wasn't contribed horse shit....

Posted by DavetheWave"

It wasn't contrived, either.

I rented some movies. I figure I will catch up on any that I missed this week. I will miss nothing by not watching the convention. If I want to watch infomercials I can to that in the morning while on the treadmill.

My mind is made up. I see Obama as another Carter. I lived through that disaster and I do not want to go back there. There is one big difference between McCain and Bush. Bush did the tax cuts but not the spending cuts. I believe McCain will work for the spending cuts.

As I watched, first Senator Kennedy and then Michelle Obama, *I* was never prouder of America than I was last night. Amazing people. Amazing. As long as our country can produce such individuals, I think we'll be all right despite the occasional setbacks like Shrub. And all of you right wing kool aid drinkers - go soak your heads! That was one HECK of a night to be a Dem! Dems ROCK!!!!

Translation: I despise democracy when it's exercised by groups of citizens who don't have wealth, power, armies of lobbyists and political connections and therefore must resort to grass-roots organizing to make their voices heard.

Exactly. Real grass-roots political organizing scares the crap out of some people. Wonder why.

That was one HECK of a night to be a Dem! Dems ROCK!!!!

Posted by DawnGlo

Yeah, having a murder open the show was a great move.

"Yeah, having a murder open the show was a great move."

Wow! That must have been dramatic!

Wow! That must have been dramatic!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Not really. Last night he wasn't drunk, didn't have to run a mile and a half and I don't think he had to pay anyone not to perform an autopsy.

Wis - I was ribbing you because you said "murder" instead of "murderer". Now THAT would have been dramatic.

Geesh....More Coffee!

Significantly, she did not seem to evoke any sustained emotional response at the convention, which reflected a lack of an ability to elicit spontaneous support, coupled with with poor staging that did not compensate for her inadequacies. -Johnson

Wow, now Johnson has talents as a drama critic as well, albeit one that didn't see the same performance I did.

"No sustained emotional response at the convention" would account for the hundreds if not thousands of people there moved to tears by her. What a woman, what a great "first lady" she will be!

"What a woman, what a great "first Lady" she will be!" I'll bet you and SANOBAMA were the ones with the tears in your eyes watching "GOODY TWO SHOES" tell us that they are so average middle class.

"Yes we do have a million dollar house, domestic help and I'm being paid $320k a year for doing very little because my husband is a liberal senator. Yes we did send $12 to Obama's half brother so he could pay next years mortgage". We are so wonderful and you ASSHOLE libs believe every word of it.

Hey Oozie! I always look forward to your factually-challenged posts and the way you parrot the latest (and, of course, all the classic) talking points!

You're a credit to your handlers! And its easy to see why you "graduated near the top" of your class!

"I would NOT believe anything Maureen Dowd wrote. She is nothing more then a liberal mouth piece for the New York Slime. She is one of the reasons the New York Slime is losing readership and going into the financial tank." - Ozzieoswald

Remains my fave Ozzie quote of the week.

Not really too much need to point out the idiocy that is Ozzie.

But thanks for the laugh.....

Great speech!!!

I believe McCain will work for the spending cuts.


The guy lives on a $500,000 monthly budget.

Are you that stupid?

Did anyone notice hat Obama is addled. Is he subject to premature senescence, or is his drug-addled mind deteriorating so rapidly that he is disoriented as to place? If Sen. McCain had appeared on TV, visiting a family that was his host, and sent greetings from St. Louis and then Kansas City, (same family, same time), then the media would be relentless in addressing possible symptoms of early onset senile dementia. But when Obama manifests dysfunction (which he has repeatedly), no mention is made of his failing. Why? Oh, the media folk have created an image of Obama that they will not allow to be altered by reality.

Take note because these are repeated occurrences. Most likely, Obama's drug use has impaired his mental functioning. It is possible that there are other causes for his deterioration, but given his age and history, it is most probably a self-inflicted impairment. The leftists will not be discouraged but will support a drug-impaired candidate "to show them."

So, you all are in thrall of "them," who direct your actions, and you are indifferent to consequences of your behavior. Reckless you lefties, aren't you? Stay alert and be aware of Obama's repeated lapses. Then act responsibly, and send him to where he can receive the sheltered workshop type environment he requires to function in the community. Obama is unfit for the Presidency by virtue of his diminsied capacity alone.

Where are all the old pictures and documentation of Barack's exploits in the old days ( bout 10 years ago) when he was a just a local Chicago boy?

I would love to see some of that.
shit just doesn't exist, I guess.

Anyone notice the lack of any big positive jolt from this convention kickoff?

a. horribly lame and totally OLD WASHINGTON establishment pick for VP.

b. The presence of Billary and disharmony among the 2 factions of supporters putting a damper on things. You can already make the call on this Hillary thing as a huge blunder.

Good grief, AU, I excerpted some statements from your post, and your perception of what another's posts contain seems to be seen through a distorting prism.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-08-26 01:42 AM

PINCHE

I could hear you all glassy eyed you at your high school, "Them damn libruls ain't shit, eh cowpokes? (snicker snicker snicker"

You're one to talk you one dimensional cow wrestler


I read and reread a number of Pinche's posts previous to yours, and it seems that the usage is novel to you and does not reflect his method of expression.

This is what you read? "Them damn libruls ain't shit, eh cowpokes?" The grammatical errors and spelling errors are unique to you. Why do you attribute them to Pinche Mao? It's not his style. It's yours.

If this is your perception of what he posts, you have my sympathy.

AU, with the world you see so different from that, which most other people observe, I can understand why you are a lefty. You're confused. You live in an alternate reality, where "liberals" is spelled "libruls." You certainly wouldn't deliberately contrive to attribute thinking to others that is non-existent? You have more character than that (even though you are a lefty), don't you?

Or is your motto and m.o., "If there is nothing negative regarding positions I oppose because I am ideologically structured and compelled to embrace them, then I'll create a strawman to try to divert attention from the reality of the inanity of my position."

"Obama is unfit for the Presidency by virtue of his diminsied capacity alone."

"Did anyone notice hat Obama is addled. Is he subject to premature senescence, or is his drug-addled mind deteriorating so rapidly that he is disoriented as to place?"

Johnson is on a roll this morning. Can't we just dismiss Obama for being a black racist and a Communist? Isn't that enough for you? Maybe he isn't really a black racist and a Communist because he is so drug-addled he has no idea?

Maybe you are diminsied too, Johnson.

"Maybe you are diminsied too, Johnson.

Posted by sitdown"

FF!

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-08-26 02:40 AM

2000 Al Gore is the biggest leftist in the US. He's an elitist.
McCain is the manchurian candidate/brainwashed by commies.

2004 Kerry is the biggest leftist in the US.
Kerry is the manchurian candidate/brainwashed by commies. He's an elitist.

2008 Obama is the biggest leftist in the US AND he's been brainwashed by commies like the manchurian candidate. He's an elitist.


I'm pleased to have the opportunity to clarify your understanding of the position of the right in regard to the candidates.

Keep in mind that you are referring to candidates chosen to represent a party and ostensibly a position. The Democrat Party is replete with an abundance of leftists.

Rather than designating the candidate "the biggest leftist," the phrase used should be "the leading leftist." Substitute "leading" for "biggest" since as the head of the party ticket, the candidate symbolizes the leftism of the party and is a puppet of the extreme left wing, which now controls the Democrat Party apparatus.

Your other observations regarding the candidates recently chosen by the Democrat Party are quite accurate insofar as they recognize that the candidates are brainwashed people, who embrace communist ideology and are arrogant elitists.

Why the Democrat Party chooses such candidates is problematical. It seems that activists as elitists, "know better," and so are drifting in directions and to extremes that are uncomfortable for the majority of party supporters. But then, the leftists are in "the vanguard," although they are currently conducting a rear guard action since the system they support has not been productive, and has failed to provide the promised plenitude. But leftist ideologues continue to follow disproved Marxian principles, the reality be damned. A true believer is a true believer. An ontology, but a valid observation.

The Democrat Party is replete with an abundance of leftists.
Posted by Johnson

Commies on the left, Fascists on the right...

Its a toss up.

Posted by sitdown at 2008-08-26 11:27 AM

Johnson is on a roll this morning. Can't we just dismiss Obama for being a black racist and a Communist? Isn't that enough for you? Maybe he isn't really a black racist and a Communist because he is so drug-addled he has no idea?

Maybe you are diminsied too, Johnson.


Gosh, Obama certainly does suffer from a laundry list of disqualifying factors now, doesn't he.

Obama is a black racist with all that entails, and indoctrinated with communist ideology, in addition to which he suffers severely impaired functioning. Why such a flawed individual is he best choice the Democrat Party could find as a candidate is due to an unfortuitous confluence of circumstances that delivered control of the party to an alliance of ideologically extreme leftists and a racially motivated group, which seized the day. Now the Party is saddled with a candidate, whose characteristics and background and positions are antithetical to what most Americans find congenial.

By the way sitdown, "diminsied" is a leftist term, a neologism, which you fellows seem so adept at creating. Since you coined the term, why don't you also post a definition to enlighten we folk, who are not privy to your in-group ruminations.

"By the way sitdown, "diminsied" is a leftist term, a neologism, which you fellows seem so adept at creating. Since you coined the term, why don't you also post a definition to enlighten we folk, who are not privy to your in-group ruminations.

Posted by Johnson"

Au contraire. He cut and pasted the term directly from your post. Therefore, it would seem that it is YOU who must provide a definition.

The bio that Michelle recited for Obama the candidate provides an interesting perspective in attempting to rehabilitate his mother. Here she was a self-centered, self-indulgent person, who engaged in reckless relationships, and rebelled against authority.

She certainly was not the self-sacrificing parent that Michelle described. She contracred a relationship with a married man and conceived a child. Then she abandoned the child, placing him in the custody of his grandparents to support and sustain him.

Although she was able-bodied and educated, she exhibited no compunctions in slopping at the public trough, collecting food stamps for herself and her son, while attending graduate school, and while Obama was in the care of his grandparents. Ecce femme.

You wonder which of them, and to what extent, behavioral traits are inheritable. Certainly both mom and Barack exhibit the same narcissistic traits. A narcissist can sort of fudge a little if its for a worthy cause, and what cause is more worthy for a narcissist than himself. Borderline ... oh why name it, it's more complex than that.

When you indulge a narcissist too much and invest him with a sense of reality for his delusions of grandeur, you are working with someone whose delusionary world can transform into outright psychosis as the paranoia and schizophrenia kick in, and environmental factors work on the underlying fragility. This messiah complex can only direct the man into a conceptualized world that is even more detached from reality. You folks are playing a very dangerous game, and don't recognize how fraught with peril it is.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-08-26 12:02 PM

"By the way sitdown, "diminsied" is a leftist term, a neologism, which you fellows seem so adept at creating. Since you coined the term, why don't you also post a definition to enlighten we folk, who are not privy to your in-group ruminations.

Posted by Johnson"

Au contraire. He cut and pasted the term directly from your post. Therefore, it would seem that it is YOU who must provide a definition.


Thank you Rogue. In that case, I'll call upon my errors and omissions insurer, and advise him of my error. I intended to spell "diminished."

Sorry. I apologize for the inattentiveness.

Sybil? Or did they send her to charm camp.

Michelle was superb. And her daughters ... wow!

Michelle seemingly laid to rest for all time the "hate America" bullshit that the rigid righties have been spewing. I suppose the "radical Moose-lim" canard will have to wait until the end of the week.

The racists and fascists who post here really OUGHT to be convinced, but they're like that multi-headed snake. You cut off one head and another will materialize almost immediately. herm

Sybil? Or did they send her to charm camp.

Aww. Your fabricated bullshit image of her failed, and you still hold on.

HERM

Righties are like James Carville, who claimed last night didn't work.

Of course, Carville never heard a word because he was eating at the Palm restaurant and has no idea what he's talking about as a result.

Obama is unfit for the Presidency by virtue of his diminsied capacity alone.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-08-26 10:40 AM | Reply |

But I like it anyway, Johnson.

Perhaps "diminsied" would cover everything you think about Obama all in one word. It's quite evocative. Perhaps if you think he "minces" on to the stage on Thursday, even better. I can't remember if you are one of those who refers to a blow-job from/to a man in the back of a taxi during a drug exchange or not. If not I apologize for the inattentiveness.

By the way, our leftist "in-group ruminations" are excellent affairs, environmentally-correctly catered with organic wine, pure malt whiskies and locally grown vegetarian snacks of all kinds. Perhaps you'd like to join us. We're a civilized bunch, however.

You are so ill informed. $4,000,000 home? NONE of it financed by a crook. They have a mortgage, thank you.

Wow, you really did drink over the weekend, didn't you?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

and you have fallen for the liberal dem bullshit hook line and sinker..........EVEN cobra head carville saw through it.,

you have been duped by the dems because the two reasons for her speech last night was to show you that they are JUST LIKE US and to also begin anew,.
to make all of us forget all about her angry past as shown when she talked from her heart and not the teleprompter written BY THE DNC..........

You are so ill informed. $4,000,000 home? NONE of it financed by a crook. They have a mortgage, thank you.

Wow, you really did drink over the weekend, didn't you?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

while you might be technically right, the real world says differently........he bought property and then sold it to him at a reduced price and then got millions thrown his way.........you cant change history no matter how much the dnc is trying to make us forget in denver

Isn't BLT's entire role here to be idiotic?
I always find him funny if just occasionally tiresome, or, as Georgie in "Mapp and Lucia" always said, "Tarsum".

Posted by sitdown

this is usually because you have no answer or cant conduct a debate without being in the gutter.

Carville was eating at the Palms restaurant and didn't even see her speech, yet, like you, had an opinion on it.

What part of Obama did not buy a $4,000,000 home and has a mortgage don't you understand?

You a Bud or Miller Lite man?

"while you might be technically right, the real world says differently........he bought property and then sold it to him at a reduced price and then got millions thrown his way........."

Link please???

SITDOWN

It's as simple as 'Bush Lover Two'.

Says it all.

Gullible, pliable, loves presidents who most of America, half the GOP, and the rest of the world (except Bin Laden) can't stand for good reasons.

Have you ever heard of the "Southern Strategy", BLT?

en.wikipedia.org

Posted by BetelG at

yes I have and do you know the last democrat elected to the WH not from the south.
how about jfk and that really doesnt count all the way because he picked lbj in order to win texas......so who before that?

it has to be a LLOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGG
GGGGGGGGG time ago...........

HEY TED...........so you think I sound like I look like michael jeter............I dont think so.......but it was pretty clever anyway

As I watched, first Senator Kennedy and then Michelle Obama, *I* was never prouder of America than I was last night.

Posted by DawnGlo

thats right dawn......I was glad to see teddy getting around. probably a lot of cocktail parties to hit.....

but while he was talking I couldnt help thinking of him getting EXPELLED FROM HARVARD
and spending his military service in paris not getting above the rank of private
but most of all I couldnt get this image out of my mind
that of a young pretty woman named mary jo struggling in his car at the bottom of the water trying to get out and wondering where teddy was and not knowing that he was running like a fuckin coward straight to his momma's tit and lawyers.
now I hope he lives another 10 or 20 years just to remember how he let her die because it might ruin his political career.........
no wonder he is loved by liberals.........

"and tomorrow we can talk about how poor little obama was and how poor little michelle is and how they are just trying to make ends meet in their FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOME partially finainced by a FUCKIN CROOK........... Posted by bushlovertwo"

What is really perplexing is the question of whether BL2 is actually that completely misinformed and believes what he wrote, or if he knows it isn't true but chooses to perpetuate the falsehood.

and I was proud of michells as well
it really was a good speech written by dems and not from her

she set back feminism several years by not talking about herself and accomplishments but showing us that she was NOTHING MORE than a hardworking mom and wife at home..........

while you might be technically right, the real world says differently........he bought property and then sold it to him at a reduced price and then got millions thrown his way........."

Link please???

Posted by danni

and here we have it again........we are to just forget all about the past...........my links are the multiple stories done from cnn to fox to nbc to cbs and the others..........

by the way.......sweety...........BIG hurricane coming either our way or yours.........get ready to batten down those hatches........

"and here we have it again........we are to just forget all about the past...........my links are the multiple stories done from cnn to fox to nbc to cbs and the others..."

When you have even the most basic fact wrong, one might think you need to pay a little closer attention to the content of those "stories".

What is really perplexing is the question of whether BL2 is actually that completely misinformed and believes what he wrote, or if he knows it isn't true but chooses to perpetuate the falsehood.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

again........ALL OF YOUR PATHETIC attempts at insulting me wont CHANGE THE HISTORY of his dealings with rezko...........or ayers or jwright
who by the way........that good looking black woman who talked last night sat in those pews AS MUCH AS OBAMA DID...........

and we wont forget her america remark either or will you now try and tell me she didnt say it too............

You a Bud or Miller Lite man?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

when I can its always bud lite.......cant risk losing my famously tight body.............hee hee

but the vestiges of old age play hell with my alcohol intake.
medicine and all that shit.........

ah.....but there was a time

'those were the days my friend
we thought theyd never end'
la da da da
la da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

When you have even the most basic fact wrong, one might think you need to pay a little closer attention to the content of those "stories".

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

okay.....be a teacher and 'enlighten me'
tell me all about it...........

Serious question: Does Michelle have the potential to become Barack's "Bill" in the next few months, or will the handlers keep her incognito after her prepared remarks at the convention? I ask this because I have heard as many people cite her as their reason for not voting for Obama, as those who cite the candidate himself.

Well, lets start with the price of the house.

It wasn't a $4 million dollar house. The asking price was $1.9 million. The Obamas made a series of increasingly higher bids until the owners accepted a $1.6 million dollar offer. The Rezkos did not own nor did the purchase the house. The Obamas obtained a mortgage to purchase the home. (Michelle has told the story several times of how they got lucky with Obama's book sales to be able to afford it.)

Mrs. Rezko DID buy the vacant lot next door for $650,000. The owners wanted to sell both properties at the same time. They have gone on record that the transaction didn't impact the sale of the house - that the Obamas simply had the best offer.

Several months later the Obama's purchased 1/6 of the vacant lot from the Rezkos for $109,000 - 1/6 of the original purchase price and FMV. Actually, above FMV at the time.

The Rezkos later sold the remainder of the lot for a small profit.

No quid pro quo has been claimed by anyone. In the extensive investigation of Rezko there were 0 allegations of wrong doing or impropriety on Obama's part.

the only thing I missed was the price. I was confusing his comment about what income makes a person rich and you conviently left out all references to legislation sent the crooks way and even if it was ALL on the up and up......there is no denying that rezko is a CONVICTED FELON........and obama has had dealings with him

nappy........they did thier job last night......which was to make us forget about her past and see her as ONLY a good mother and wife,
and now.......all of the past is expected to be forgotten and if we DO bring it up, I guess the obama campaign will try and have our first amendment right taken away on this subject as well as the ayers ad

and can any of you liberals even beleive the SLIGHTEST BIT that the ayers ad should be prevented from airing because if you do.....next week and beyond there will be some serious lawyering going on when moveon gets 'moving'

"the only thing I missed was the price"

And don't forget your claim that Rezko "bought property and then sold it to him at a reduced price..."

"...conviently left out all references to legislation sent the crooks way..."

Actually there was very little of that, and what there was has been shown to have been things beneficial to the community. And there were equal numbers of legislative initiatives Obama opposed that would have been beneficial to Rezko.

"there were equal numbers of legislative initiatives Obama opposed that would have been beneficial to Rezko."

Such as?

damnit times up

and tonight we hear the first campaign speech of the presidential election of 2012

lets see if we can see her fingers and toes crossed since dishonesy is a clinton legacy.........

hasta laredo all

"Such as?

Posted by JOE"

For example, Rezko was pushing hard for legislation that would have allowed gambling in Illinois. He and a partner were planning to get a casino license. Obama opposed and voted against the measure in the State Senate.

yes and he also opposed saving the life of babies STILL ALIVE after botched abortions........so which is more of a threat to civilization?

and any one hear about pelosi trying to change catholic doctrine..........pretty funny stuff if she wasnt third in line for the white house.......

"yes and he also opposed saving the life of babies STILL ALIVE after botched abortions"

DID he, BL2, or did you, perhaps, miss the crux of that talking point too? Sometimes things are actually more complex than the 1 or 2 sentences Rush, Hannity, et al are able to get you all to memorize.

he lobbied against and voted against the bill in the ILL legislature that would have saved any baby left alive after a botched abortion saying that it would cause them to bring in another doctor and it wasnt convienent.............

and those came from more than your little insult about talking points........

thank you very much,.

again.....obama's past that is meant to be forgotten this week and for all times after.........

and of course did anyone else hear about the TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED people who demonstrated with a niece of martin luther king at the planned parenthood area.....AGAINST abortion

of course not.....media wouldnt dare cover something like that.........

So, there's "one" piece of legislation upon which we can say that Obama and Rezko disagreed. Any others?

there seems to be a lot of anger and hate on the right wing side of this issue, anger can seriously affect your life, a bit of help may be required, here's a link to an excellant site on anger management:
www.apa.org

may help ease your hate and lead to a fuller life!

"So, there's "one" piece of legislation upon which we can say that Obama and Rezko disagreed. Any others?

Posted by JOE"

Don't play your little games Joe. You asked for an example, I gave you one. Do the rest of your homework on your own.

may help ease your hate and lead to a fuller life!

Posted by onna at 2008-08

naw........I AINT MAD........I stopped getting mad at these liberal fucks a long time ago,..
they caint hep it.........(thats texan for they can not help themselves).....

and thats even in the face of serious cursing and namecalling.......I just turn the other cheek.....(oops.......I got larry all worked up again)........

so thats it for me.......NO NO>....stop......sit down........I have to go.........

again.....tomorrow lets see just how serious hillary is about pary unity.........

and I also read that there is some sort of burlesque show outside the convention and also the appearance of the 'obama girl'........whats that about? my guess is those are things that bill clinton requested.............oh......
..another good one.............

and OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

B O R R R R R R R R R R I N G!

Obviously they're trying to remake Michelle into a white-toast woman. Even my dog fell asleep!

"Even my dog fell asleep!

Posted by TheOneBS"

God knows he should know better than to do that around you by now, Theo.

I thought she did a good job and I believe she is a good mother and good wife........that being said.....we WILL NOT FORGET WHAT SHE SAID FROM HER HEART AND NOT THE TELEPROMPTER.........

there seems to be a lot of anger and hate on the right wing side of this issue, anger can seriously affect your life, a bit of help may be required, here's a link to an excellant site on anger management..

ONNA, that one makes you sound like a patronizing douche. And I say that with love.

yes and he also opposed saving the life of babies STILL ALIVE after botched abortions"

DID he, BL2, or did you, perhaps, miss the crux of that talking point too? Sometimes things are actually more complex than the 1 or 2 sentences Rush, Hannity, et al are able to get you all to memorize

Maybe you should read up on BAIPA before trying to make this a talking point. There is also a little bit on Michelle Obama trying to gather support for her husbands abortion policy. Enjoy.

www.worldnetdaily.com
Michelle called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure," and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it?

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die...

High five... Crispee.

The structure of the Democrat Party is such that it is "born to lose." How did this come about? Well, their strategy was to create special interest groups beholden to them for enactment of their programs. It worked for awhile. Then the extremist special interest groups became more demanding.

For example, a core constituency of the Democrat Party was labor. There were other constituencies. Blacks. Homosexuals. Feminists. Abortion supporters. Anti-war proponents.

The party operated along the lines of a vector with pulls of varying strengths in different directions, which resolved themselves in election of Democrat candidates.

But as the dialectic forces operated, this heterogenous group displayed antagonisms between interests within the party. Man does not live by bread alone. Other factors alienated members of labor as their values were offended by the advance of extremist agendas.

The black constituency had demands. The euphemistically named "affirmative action" programs discriminated against members of labor, many of whom were marginal and whose entry into various aspects of activity deferred to inclusion of affirmative action beneficiaries - in school admissions, job opportunities (freezes on fire department non-black promotions by the courts, etc.), and other "remedies" in other areas.

School busing was also an outgrowth of black activism. Working class families found their children transported for as long as two hours per day, and their well-being compromised to accommodate black initiatives and interests.

Voila. There was antagonism between the labor and black groups. Democrat affiliates, whose association was based on labor membership, saw their perceived interests surrendered by the party to the interests of blacks.

The same process occurred in relation to shrill extremist demands by other constituencies. Some labor affiliates are offended by the idea of so-called "gay marriage." Others are offended by support of killing of infants going so far as with Obama, supporting abandonment to death of vulnerable survivors of attempts to kill them by abortion. Many are offended by late-term abortion, or abortion itself after conception. Many members of other groups are supporters of American exceptionalism and oppose abandonment of military efforts in which America "loses."

There are members in each special interest category also put off by advancing the interests of others.

The alliance held together a long time. But that was yesterday, and yesterday is gone. Obama is symbolic of support for all of the programs that many Americans find offensive, violations of their core values. He accentuates the idea of black preference by his decades long membership in black liberation theology hate-mongering organizations dissing "america" and "whitey," together with his affiliations with hate-America, abandon the conflict domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his ilk. Obama supports abortion all the way to include infanticide of the most vulnerable among us. Obama embraces the idea of "gay marriage." Why continue? The disintegration of the Democrat Party was inevitable as the forces of the dialectic took hold. Ask Hegel. Ask Marx.

But what are Democrats to do? They are beholden to blacks, who constitute some 28% of their constituency. Reformation will be a difficult enterprise. The presence of such a large group with demands for special interests prevents the formation of a labor type coalition that exists in many European countries, a coaltion that focuses on health care, and other social issues, rather than being constantly preoccupied with race.

Geez, BLT, Michelle's speech must have been even better than I thought it was - it sure has YOU spinning! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! Relax a little - the GOPers will have their turn soon and then they will pass out the Kool Aid and you will feel MUCH better.

Me thinks two words spoken from innocent lips last evening sealed the deal for Obama:

"HI DADDY"

Angeloftruth---

You know full well there will be a similar moment next week when some cute little girl will say "hi great-great-great grand pappi!"

Leave it to the shitstains at FAUX news' Chris Wallace to say that it was a 'wasted night' and the Turdblossom called it 'political'.

Gee, really? political? At a Presidential Convention? Who would have thunk it?

I'm sure there will be NO POLITICAL discussion at the repub convention......riiiiight.

Obviously they're trying to remake Michelle into a white-toast woman. Even my dog fell asleep!

Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-08-26 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you saying that your dog understands politics better than you?

Holy Moly! I just heard that Obama is gonn raise my taxes!

That is IT!!!!!

I am voting for McCain!!!!

FACT!

Leave it to the shitstains at FAUX news' Chris Wallace to say that it was a 'wasted night' and the Turdblossom called it 'political'.

Posted by COMMONSENSE

He must have changed his tune from last night. Right after her speech, he acted like the proud Father.

Angeloftruth---

You know full well there will be a similar moment next week when some cute little girl will say "hi great-great-great grand pappi!"

Posted by __b__

your probably right, ha ha ha ha ha

I have a hard time understanding why you believe a country needs more government control. More government program, which have been proven to be unsuccessful, more government TAKING things from its citizens and controlling it to their own will and desires. Less freedom, less free market, less independent economy. Welfare has been a joke, over 50 Billion lost in fraudulent claims. So many blame the Bush admin for economy but it has been the democratic, BIG GOVERNMENT, spending us out the Chinese toilet. Why is this a good idea to you?
The only 2 changes made to the US constitution made by progressives have been income tax and prohibition. Their ideals don't work in a free society.

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