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Monday, August 25, 2008

Americans who go without health insurance for any part of 2008 will spend $30 billion out of pocket for health care and they will get $56 billion worth of free care, according to a report released on Monday.

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If they can't get with the program, soak 'em.

So those cheap bastards owe $26 Billion. Is that U.S. Dollars or Pesos?

86 billion sounds pretty cheap.

Damn good thing we are providing free health care for illegal's.

Americans who go without health insurance for any part of 2008 will spend $30 billion out of pocket for health care and they will get $56 billion worth of free care, according to a report released on Monday

YEAH!

But just for accuracy sake, that 56 billion isnt free-- at all!

Its what you and I get to pay --- after the fact ----- and on the Providers terms (not ours)!

Now I know, setting up obtainable goals and milestones and working towards them is not in the Bush Cults vocabulary, but wouldnt it be better for us (the ones who foot the bill) to establish before hand the rules and permissible limits (as in universal care) so we can in fact Control ourselves the nations Healthcare Needs and not simply being dictated by some comptroller hidden away in some corporate office.

I mean, all we are doing now is financing new vacation homes and golden parachutes for the corporate execs --- Who in realty Control Every Aspect of medical care (not you) and NOT thru the patients necessity but rather via the percentage of Profit it can generate!

...but wouldnt it be better for us (the ones who foot the bill) to establish before hand the rules...
Posted by Redneckville

We did. Illegal Immigration is...well....illegal.

we can in fact Control ourselves the nations Healthcare Needs

----

Unless you limit the number of visits you can't control the nation's healthcare needs.

No matter what we do, healthcare costs will keep going up and up.

Pick your poison. Pun intended.

Unless you limit the number of visits you can't control the nation's healthcare needs.
No matter what we do, healthcare costs will keep going up and up
YEAH!

Provided your intent is simply to perpetuate and then treat Illness (now called Syndrome) --- not stop it!


Fact is, catching breast cancer before it metastasizes cuts costs.
Same goes for prenatal care
Fact is, its cheaper to manage type two diabetes, before it become full blown diabetes
Same goes for Heart Disease

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.


We did. Illegal Immigration is...well....illegal.
Posted by wisgod at 2008-08-25 03:11 PM


YEAH!

Why is it the first instinct of a "Personal Responsibility" champion such as yourself --- to rush off and blame the unidentifiable?

Why is your specter always the invisible, immeasurable and uncountable?

Is there any threat to you that the rest of us can see? And do you think removing all the low skill, low paid workers in America wont damage "Your Way of Life" more than a helping them out when they fall ill?

the corporate execs...who in realty Control Every Aspect of medical care...via the percentage of Profit it can generate!
Posted by Redneckville

Ooops, someone went on a rant and didn't read the article...
"some providers absorb the cost of uncompensated care in the form of lower profits because they are unable to shift uncompensated costs to private payers."
NO! Those evil corporate whores! Absorbing losses!

This article provides us with an interesting look at how much the uninsured pay for healthcare. Awhile back a study stated that about 46 million Americans were uninsured. If you do the math, that shows that each uninsured American only pays about $700 a year for healthcare on average (yes, I know there are many anecdotal stories about uninsured people owing hundreds of thousands of $ in hospital bills, but I rather suspect these stories are the exception, not the norm.) Let's face it; while the costs of healthcare are high, the numbers show that the uninsured aren't being hosed as is the common belief. If y'all try to refute that statement, please note that it's based on concrete, verifiable statistics.

illegals responsible for nine billion of that.

Insurance Companies are skimming 10-40% of every health care dollar while wasting the time of Doctors and Patients for the sake of their own profits. They are a useless burden on the system, dwarfing both the cost of illegals and the uninsured.

Oregon had a good idea. Evaluate cost and benefits of all treatments and rank them. Create a budget and fit the two pieces of the puzzle together.

But BushI killed this plan, doubtless with bribes, I mean, donations from the health care industry.

Like Marijuana legislation, and voting rights, it puts the lie to the Conservative States Rights agenda. What they really mean is States Rights prevail only when it suits the Oligarchy.

Like Marijuana legislation, and voting rights, it puts the lie to the Conservative States Rights agenda. What they really mean is States Rights prevail only when it suits the Oligarchy.

This says it all! Dope smokin' maggots define everything by their drug of choice. Stupid weed-heads!


illegals responsible for nine billion of that.

Posted by nanc at 2008-08-25 03:35 PM

So true. Now California's lib politicians are currently in the process of again raising our CA sales tax (already one of the highest in the nation) to pay for it. Nobody is giving me free health care but my taxes are being raised to pay for theirs.

Hmmmm...47 mil into 30 billion... means out of pocket costs of ...$638.29 per year for health care.

Not bad...where do I apply?

If those MF's get so much free health care (56 billion) then why do the dems say that there is a problem? The same MF's already get welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, free swimming lessons, ad nauseum. Only scumbags given so much could be so ungrateful and demand more! And crazy vote buying dems will give it to them!!

Don't worry everyone. The Deciderer already told us: if you don't have health insurance, just go to the emergency room. Isn't that good enough for both conservative and liberal alike?

If those MF's get so much free health care (56 billion) then why do the dems say that there is a problem? The same MF's already get welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, free swimming lessons, ad nauseum. Only scumbags given so much could be so ungrateful and demand more! And crazy vote buying dems will give it to them!!

Posted by fwthom at 2008-08-25 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

These numbers do not refer to government-subsidized healthcare, so your example is flawed. They refer to healthcare for the uninsured, even the government doesn't insure them, who just plain skip out on the bill because they cannot afford it.

In getting said "free" health care, they also take a hit to their credit so hideous they never get to own a house, car, or even rent an apartment at a reasonable rate. College is a lot harder to get loans for, even from the government.

Yes they got a little "free" health care, but they ruined their lives for it. Maybe some actual universal healthcare would go a long way. That the sick can get help without destroying their lives, forever in debt, to get it. But I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

That sounds just a little too much like something Jesus might want.

SOHEFOX,

How come those people you love so much never work? Jesus had harsh words for sluggards.

Jesus had harsh words for sluggards.

Posted by fwthom

He also had hard words for the rich, but I don't ever hear you taking them to task.

Well we certainly won't hear from Michelle Obama that her employer, University of Chicago Medical Center, refuses to treat uninsured paitents. Now how's that for nerve? Plead your for the poor, while socking it to them whenever they can?

I wonder how his half brother in Africa feels....you know the one Barack won't help who lives on 20 dollars a year? Change based on taking your money..not his...and telling us how to spend it.

CHANGE you can't believe in....

Send the bill to Mexico UPS..

The rich already pay over 50% of their incomes in taxes plus what they give to charity. The poor are not holding up their end. They should be out in the fields gleaning instead of sitting on their fat asses drinking beer and watching American Idol.

If Jesus was here he would go to their houses and kick them in the ass like he did with the moneylenders in the Temple.

Oohrah, I think the crux of the biscuit was that greed was the issue for both the rich and the lazy, but its been a while since I've read the bible for anything besides hysterical one liners.

Proverbs... priceless.

" Only scumbags ("illegals") given so much could be so ungrateful and demand more! And crazy vote buying dems will give it to them!!"

I hate to question the apostles of the Rigid Right, but does he really think that illegals can vote, or in any other political manner control what scraps the "legals" toss at them ? herm

Obama wants to insure the illegals and give them driver's licenses and tuck them in bed at night.

Francine Busby said it here in San Diego running for Duke the crook seat.


ACORN is getting blown apart right now with the Feds crawling all over them and their illegal sign ups.

ACORN--the same organization Obama gets money to from the gov't..or something along those lines.

Murphy

Obama wants to insure the illegals and give them driver's licenses and tuck them in bed at night.

Both McCain and Obama (both staunch globalists) want wide open borders. How many uneducated, non-English speaking, unskilled third world laborers can we absorb into this country without become like the third world country they just left. ER rooms and hospitals are literally going bankrupt and shutting their doors due to illegals using them like some primary physicians office -- if they have the flu, colds, and anything else. More than 80 hospitals/ER here in L.A. County have shut their doors in the last 5 years. It is a very real, very serious problem.

This "who will pick your lettuce" crap is just that -- crap. Only 3% of illegal aliens do farming work. All the rest are in service, restaurant, and construction jobs. Illegal aliens managed to send -- untaxed -- $22 BILLION just back to Mexico alone. Who knows how much went to other countries. These billions are taxed as soon as they come in to Mexico but the illegals pay no tax here. 40% of Los Angeles' economy is done by illegals who work under the table and pay no taxes.

Right now legal American citizens are pouring out of California by the thousands. They see the writing on the wall of what this state will be like in a few short years. They are being taxed to death with new bonds, etc. -- any exucse to to raise more money for the cost of illegals here now and the thousands more to come. Last year illegals accounted for $9 billion of our $15 billion CA budget deficit. A recent study said more than 1400 "new immigrants" (read: illegal aliens) pour into California every day and add another 400 cars per day to our highways.

Water is becoming scarce. California cannot continue to absorb all these thousands of illegals as is now seen by our budget crises. But the Democrate lib politicans which overrun this state refuse to acknowledge it as a good number of them take their marching orders directy from the government of Mexico. In fact they go out of their way to create "sanctuary cities" for illegal aliens throughout the state. Who's going to foot the tax bill for all these illegal aliens and the services they demand once the last California U.S. citizen has left the state and said adios.

People on here who say "who will clean your house, who will wash your cars, whaaaaaaaaa" are full of bull. No one cleans my house but me and I don't see any lessening in the cost of getting your car washed or anything else just because illegals are doing the work. The profit goes into the pocket of the companies who illegally hire them. No discounts are passed on to the consumer

To all those open border, pro-illegal immigration radicals on here who keep whining whenever anyone brings up the very real problems created by illegal immigration I have one thing to say -- California gladly will send all their illegals to your state 'cause we're going broke.

"As California goes, so goes the nation,"

These numbers do not refer to government-subsidized healthcare, so your example is flawed.
Posted by soheifox

Actually Soheifox, the article states that a vast majority of the 56B does come from the government (fed, state, and local). $43 Billion, in fact. content.healthaffairs.org

By using Medicare/Caid and other forms of government healthcare to pay for these expenses, the credit of these users is not affectd in any way. Their credit is only affected by large hospital bills that aren't covered by the government.

Cal chris hearts La Raza!!!


Obama wants to insure the illegals and give them driver's licenses and tuck them in bed at night.

Posted by MURPHY

That kind of stupid you just cannot buy.

Pay your bills you freaking losers.

Pay your bills you freaking losers.

"From society's perspective, covering the uninsured is still a good investment. Failure to act in the near term will only make it more expensive to cover the uninsured in the future, while adding to the amount of lost productivity from not insuring all Americans," Hadley said in a statement.

For those lazy Rethugs who won't read the article (FWTHOM) here is the crux of the matter.

It is simple math.

Jesus had harsh words for sluggards.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-08-25 05:56 PM

I think it was don't do as I do...do as I say...or something like that. Jebus wasn't much for working as I recall the myth.

Fact is, catching breast cancer before it metastasizes cuts costs.
Same goes for prenatal care
Fact is, its cheaper to manage type two diabetes, before it become full blown diabetes
Same goes for Heart Disease

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by Redneckville

Fact is that some run to the doctor every time they get a little cold, or head-ache.

etc, etc, etc.

How does that fit your schedule?

So those cheap bastards owe $26 Billion.

Posted by wisgod

Services for 'indegendts' is usualy picked up by the county, way over 2 million a year for a little county in Idaho, and adding a little extra on to our bills. The hospitals do get their money, its just not from the people getting the care.

"As California goes, so goes the nation,"

Posted by CalifChris

Right down the sewer, with Los Angeles as the flush point.

So you spent six paragraphs on your rant-rave against illegals. Feel better? You as an individual can do nothing to stem the tide. Your local, state, and federal governments, with the help of and/or pressure from assorted lobbies and political factions, enable the flood to continue mostly unabated. Toss in inherent dishonesty and the lure of easy money in the from of bribes and pay-offs, well there you go.

Suck it up, learn Spanish. Get a tan. Or move.

Short of an apartheid wall built on the Israeli model stretching from the Gulf of Mexico to the shore of the Pacific, nothing will stop the flow. Well, with the exception of the US becoming no better than other third-world countries. Then it won't be so attractive to come here.

Suck it up, learn Spanish. Get a tan. Or move.


Why not enforce the laws?
Why not tell illegals to "suck it up" and go back to their own country?
Shit...we can't seem to even tell them they HAVE to learn English.

right that is why hospitals are making big bucks caring for all the indigent patients. what a crock of shit, flood the emergency room with illegal aliens, think how much money the hospitals could make.

"If Jesus was here he would go to their houses and kick them in the ass like he did with the moneylenders in the Temple."

FF

" If you do the math, that shows that each uninsured American only pays about $700 a year for healthcare on average (yes, I know there are many anecdotal stories about uninsured people owing hundreds of thousands of $ in hospital bills, but I rather suspect these stories are the exception, not the norm.)"

If you understood the basic premise of insurance you'd realize why your statement is so idiotic.

If you understood the basic premise of insurance you'd realize why your statement is so idiotic.

This should be good......Danni, tell us the "basic premise of insurance"

In other words, tell us why people buy insurance

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