Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, August 23, 2008

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama introduced Sen. Joe Biden to the nation as his running mate on Saturday, telling supporters he is "a leader who is ready to step in and be president."

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Okay, it won't be official till the text goes out tommorow but it's pretty much a done deal.

Joe Biden will be campaigning fer Veep.

Ha! Spud is luff being right!

08ama/Biden '08.

Be Well.

And you as well Spud.

Without politcs, I am sure we would get along well...let's try for a minute...

Wow, I wasn't expecting him to pick Joe Biden.

Biden will sure liven up the ticket.

Good move. Biden is an attack dog, while Obama doesn't attack very well. It should help him stay above the fray while Biden tells it like it is.

Noun Verb 9-11.

Also negates the "he's articulate" scandal BS.

Watching Larry King a little while back. He took a call on the fact that CNN has called Biden fer Veep. The caller explained that after that announcement he certainly couldn't vote fer Obama.

Whargarbl!? thought Spud.

He went on to explain that he was a disaffected Hill Shill who didn't want to go to his classroom and tell his students that he couldn't vote fer a "plagiarist".

Wow thought Spud, those cats over at the Clinton News Network just don't give up.

Spud really hopes that the guy actually is a Vagina-visioned Clinton hack or an Operation Chaos flunkie cos it's too depressing to think that someone that stupid can actually be teaching kids somewhere.

Wot is he gonna tell his class? That he sat out the election and allowed America to continue to dig itself deeper into a moral and economic hole simply because of some improperly accredited verbiage?

He'l;l be lucky if they don't laff him out of class.

Obama/Biden is perfect.

Obama's Veep pick is better than McCain and whoever he picks fer Veep combined.

Spud hopes he picks Mittens.

That would be fun fer Spud.

Laws, yes.

G08ama/Biden!

Be Well.

/Yes, yes, really gone now.

Obama said Biden was a clean, articulate, plug haired, white cracker from a state he needs to carry. oh boy. Ears and Plugs. well you fight with the force you have not with the force you want. oh wait who said that -- shit forget I said that last part.

Obama/Biden 08

Yes!

Gal, play a song to Biden..on the music thread..

Hey Rex,

Long time no see. How you doin'? Hope you are well.

...in a suspenseful day and night.

I know I was at the edge of my seat....

Doing well Gal.....how are you?

Lay a song out for us, on the song thread....

I'm doing well too. Not at the moment though. I have a bad headache and my next door neighbors' picked tonight to have an outdoor party. Music thread?

Rex,

I can't open the Then I Saw. . . thread. Here's a musical interlude for you anyway:

"Who let the dawgs out?
Who, who, who?"

Just keep searching Gal....

A smart choice actually which I have long advocated for Obama...even though I shan't probably vote for him.

He now has an old established white moderate on the ticket who has been on the Armed Services Committee since Hector was a pup....this gives him a voice against experience and may perhaps sway those moderate independent voters who simply don't like blacks. (they are legion)


Clever....glad I thought of it.

Biden was my first thought for his VP choice as well.
Biden will help among Catholics - a demographic McCain's winning at this juncture:
www.ewtn.com

Biden's said Obama's not ready to be president. Of course, that was then. Now is now.

All in all a safe and logical pick. Delaware is a blue state which I doubt was in play. I believe Biden's up for re-election. Not sure what happens regarding that... can he essentially run for both?

And if he passes up a Senate run, who might the likely Dem/Rep candidates be?

Biden voted for the war. Biden also said Barry did not have enough experience to be President. And lets not forget his 7/11 diss--can't even go into one without hearing an Indian accent!..Love it!...Cindy, go ahead and pick out china patterns--the White House is yours!!!

Then in September 1987, the campaign ran into serious trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[26] Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one, the one where he failed to make mention of the originator was caught on video.[27] Within days, it was also discovered that, while a first year law student at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Though the then-dean of the law school, as well as Biden's former professor, played down the incident of plagiarism, they did find that Biden drew "chunks of heavy legal prose directly from" the article in question. Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course, which was subsequently dropped from his record when he retook the class. Biden also released at the same time the record of his grades as an undergraduate which were C's and D's with the exception of two A's in physical education, one B in a course on English writers and an F in ROTC during his first three semesters.[28] His grades improved later in his undergraduate career but were not exceptional.[28] Further, when questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school Biden had claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class, (when he actually graduated 76th in a class of 85) that he had attended on a full scholarship, and had received three degrees.[29] In fact he had received two majors, History and Political Science, and a single B.A., as well as a half scholarship based on financial need.[29]

Faced with these revelations, Biden withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his mistakes.[30] After Biden withdrew from the race it was learned that the Dukakis campaign had secretly made a video showcasing the Biden/Kinnock comparison and distributed it to news outlets. Dukakis fired John Sasso, his campaign manager and long-time Chief of Staff.[31][32]

en.wikipedia.org

Hope and Change/Plagarism and Lies

Obama/Biden '08

I believe Biden's up for re-election.

Nope. His term ends at the end of 2009.

Terrific pick on Obama's part. Joe Biden's a solid working class Democrat who's the go-to guy in his party on foreign policy. He's also an aggressive campaigner who won't shy from the role of attacking the other side.

RCADE
Then that makes a clear split - he couldn't run for re-election if he's the sitting VP.

Yes, he's an attacker. That's typically a role of the VP during the campaign.

Biden comes with baggage as would most any choice. If voters discount the material in COOKFISH's 7:21am post and discount some of his other controversial quips... while looking at the experience/foreign affairs component, Obama will will be pleased.

He's also an aggressive campaigner who won't shy from the role of attacking the other side.

I've nothing against agressive campaigning, but I thought there were more people like me who are sick of attacks. I want to hear about the issues, not watch flying mud.

C'est la vie in American politics and most voters, I guess. *sigh*

Well......keep your dick in your hand Jack; ain't nobody won shit yet. Gey out'n vote fucker.
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How about my digressed 'hillbilly patois'..did it play in Peoria?

Joe Biden's a solid working class Democrat who's the go-to guy in his party on foreign policy.

Translation: Obama is obvioulsy neither of these, and desperately needed this creep on his ticket to give it SOME kind of legitimacy. So he picks the consummate Washington insider. You moonbats just witnessed the last breath of that "hope" and "change" crap, which, to be fair, alomost all of us except Tony Roma knew was just bullshit from the beginning.

If Obama had picked somebody without extensive experience in Washington, you'd be saying it shows how unqualified Obama is to be president.

Experience doesn't matter as much as judgment if you surround yourself with knowledgeable people and you listen to their advice. Biden's a great right-hand man for a President Obama.

As for calling Biden a creep, what the hell? Most Republicans like the guy -- David Brooks wrote a laudatory column this week hoping he'd be the pick.

Fish
Ditto to your 7:36 post. But you need to include Donnerboy and AU in that..:)

If voters discount the material in COOKFISH's 7:21am post and discount some of his other controversial quips... while looking at the experience/foreign affairs component, Obama will will be pleased.

Posted by OohRah at 2008-08-23 07:32 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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LOL....
Look at what they discounted in '04

I've nothing against agressive campaigning, but I thought there were more people like me who are sick of attacks.

If people were sick of attacks they wouldn't work so well. Obama got pounded the last month and his numbers dropped as a result. He needed a running mate who can take on the other side, and Biden's great at it. He has the most famous dig of the campaign -- his "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" shot at Giuliani.

Very good pick! Biden will be up Mccain's ass every time the old geezer LIES. If McCain does pick Romney, and if the McCain ampaign is stupid enough too use any negative things Biden said about Obama months ago, can you imagine the fun the Dems will have with all the things Romney said about McCain with Biden leading the way?

This is a good choice because it adds gravitas to the ticket. Obama is woefully inexperienced with international affairs. Biden is essentially to Obama what Cheney is to Bush.

You moonbats just witnessed the last breath of that "hope" and "change" crap, which, to be fair, alomost all of us except Tony Roma knew was just bullshit from the beginning.

The only bullshit around here comes from your keyboard. Only an ignorant fool would come to the conclusion that trying to find compromise instead of taking opposite flanks and ceaselessly fighting comprises "crap". It indeed would be "change" for Washington to work for the people instead of just for the lobbyists and their monied interests. Biden does nothing to take away from this dynamic, having already been on record about how and why the GOP has driven this nation straight into a ditch with their unique brand of incompetence and protecting their kleptocracy from oversight.

Hope comes from believing that the better impulses in man will triumph over greed and avarice, your bosom buddies Fishface. Bon appetit'.

If people were sick of attacks they wouldn't work so well.

I understand and acknowledge that fully. That's why the last paragraph in my 7:35 was:

"C'est la vie in American politics and most voters, I guess. *sigh*"

I concede I've never been one to go with the crowd and politicians don't run their campaigns to please the minority

He has the most famous dig of the campaign...

I wonder if it was plagarized? (the name of the game is 'attack!', right? *grin*)

During the 2006 confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, the Post's Dana Milbank wrote this of Biden's performance:

"Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., in his first 12 minutes of questioning the nominee, managed to get off only one question. Instead, during his 30-minute round of questioning, Biden spoke about his own Irish American roots, his "Grandfather Finnegan," his son's application to Princeton (he attended the University of Pennsylvania instead, Biden said), a speech the senator gave on the Princeton campus, the fact that Biden is "not a Princeton fan," and his views on the eyeglasses of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)."


ahhh...can you feel the change we can believe in???

CLINTON-
Who's the bigger talker? Biden or Schumer?

ahhh...can you feel the change we can believe in???

Yes, and this was a smart choice.

If you complainers don't believe in ANYTHING after the last eight years, I can hardly blame you.

I think Joe Biden might not make a a bad president given his Foreign Policy and Senate experience.......Obama should be the V.P if seniority goes by the boards.

I can see it now.......'I knew Joe Biden, and Barack Obama is NO Joe Biden!'.

It indeed would be "change" for Washington to work for the people instead of just for the lobbyists and their monied interests.

Yeah sure. The government has already worked so hard for the people, the total of all its debts and obligations is over $100 Trillion. Pretty soon we'll all be millionaires .... in debt.

Change my arse! The plagurist as VP? This indicates what a Barrak Hussein Obama Administration would be like. Perhaps Barney Frank will be S of Defense and can show the troops gay videos.

I'd say Obama had just handed the election to McCain, except I believe he had already done that previously.

Now the puppet will be joined by an arrogant gas bag and we won't hear anything meaningful in the next few months.

"a noun, a verb, and 9/11" shot at Giuliani.

Posted by rcade

I loved that line.

What's that i hear, it's the fat lady warming up.

If Obama loses, I think he would find success as a TV evangelist. Seriously, I'm beginning to notice that as a flaw in his public personae.

there goez the neighborhood.

wish he would've chosen him instead of picking him - that's just nasty.

"'a noun, a verb, and 9/11' shot at Giuliani."

Which has pretty much now morphed into "a noun, a verb, and POW".

ray - meaning? says much and means little?

Which has pretty much now morphed into "a noun, a verb, and POW".

Next stop: A noun, averb, an adjective, and a plagarist.

(the adjective? starts with 'f')

Has anybody seen Corky? Someone needs to check on him/her.

Corky, you have lot's of reasons to live, don't end it now. You can save it all for Hillary 2 (chealsea).

LIP-
Now that Hillary has officially been cut out of the VP slot, what's next for the Dem First Family?

Maybe she's been promised some role in Obama's admin or a SCOTUS seat.

If not, I can only imagine the mischief Hillary and Bill will bring to the next few months.

Whatever else Biden's selection means, it suggests Obama ism't overly concerned about electoral numbers.

I just heard Mke Barnacle on MSNBC say that Obama and Biden can campaign on the slogan: "Two Guys, Two Houses." If McCain picks Romney, they can campaign as "The Millionaires Boys' Club: Two guys, Two Many Houses to Remember."

"I'd say Obama just handed the election to McCain...."

I think you'd say that if his running mate was St. Peter. I think your time is better spent worrying if McCain will select Romney. Please, please let it be Romney.

Whatever else Biden's selection means, it suggests Obama ism't overly concerned about electoral numbers.

True. As much as I like Joe Biden, if I were Barack Obama I would've chosen Hillary Clinton to shore up Democratic support among her voting blocs. It could have been catastrophic to his presidency, given the risks, but Clinton brings more voters to the table.

An Empty Suit and a Stuffed Shirt!

"Please, please let it be Romney." - ZED

Well, if it's going to be Biden and Romney, at least Mitt takes the "hair" vote.

Biden's transplants:
www.moonbattery.com

Romney's plastic perfection:
conservativehome.blogs.com

If I remember correctly, Biden had brain surgery for a tumor or something like that. The hair transplants came after the operation. Though it was more than ten years ago, it's likely to come up on one way or the other.

"An Empty Suit and a Stuffed Shirt!"

How many times can you post the same talking point before you look like an empty mind? The first 10,000 times he was called an "empty suit" it was sort of snide but cute, it gets just boring when repeated ad nauseum. YOu need new material.
I'm sure one of the right wing web sites has something fresher, there is nothing worse than a lazy right wing spammer.

It could have been catastrophic to his presidency, given the risks, but Clinton brings more voters to the table.

I disagree. Just like the Bradley Effect, how many guys are going to tell pollsters that they'd vote for Hillary, who when the time comes, aren't about to trust their own safety and future to a woman who can't even control her own husband's appetites, yet stays with him out of political necessity?

What does THAT say about her own judgment both as a wife and politician?

There is more dirt on the Clinton's than rocks on the moon. The GOP was just waiting to pull out their fresh trove from the last 7 years and bash the Dems with it over and over again. Think! Their wealth negates Obama's ability to turn the "elitist" moniker directly around and continue to poke holes in the McCain narrative on an hourly basis.

I still believe the contrast of McCain to Obama will be more than enough to keep most Clintonites home with the Party. For those who truly believe John a better choice than Hillary, the words out of Hillary's own mouth undercuts that argument before it even begins. They will have a vital role in the hopefully coming Obama Administration, but Barack needs to distance himself from their liabilities, as he's succeeded in doing.

Biden's a great pick.

I hope the McCain camp picks Mitt Romney. No one will do more to drive the point home that the uber rich have done exceedingly well under Bush/Cheney, who's policies McCain wants to continue.

I have a feeling we'll be hearing the famous line that will lose McCain the election singlehandedly:

"Are America or you better off now than you were 8 years ago?"

It could have been catastrophic to his presidency, given the risks, but Clinton brings more voters to the table.

Rcade: You are saying it is more important to get votes even if it means a catastrophic presidency? Is this what they call party over country that so many people bitch about?

I'm sure one of the right wing web sites has something fresher, there is nothing worse than a lazy right wing spammer.

Yes there is.

The people who actually believe what lazy right-wing spammer's post!!!!

If Obama wants to win, I'd advise him to have Bill Maher write his speeches. Seriously. I'm sure the man would create primo attack adds, and introduce phrases describing McCain a lot more catchy than "empty suit".

A visit to the red state blogs finds them frothing over Biden, a good sign. Oh---Their current description for all of us? We're "Germans".

"If I remember correctly, Biden had brain surgery for a tumor or something like that. The hair transplants came after the operation. Though it was more than ten years ago, it's likely to come up on one way or the other." - RAY

I wasn't aware of any issues, but I checked WIKI and saw this: "In February 1988, Biden was hospitalized for two brain aneurysms which kept him from the Senate for seven months."

You are saying it is more important to get votes even if it means a catastrophic presidency?

Of course not. I'm just saying that I couldn't have overlooked the reward of picking Clinton just because the risk/reward ratio was so high.

Biden's a solid choice for vice president who is extremely capable of serving as president, the first consideration of the job. Obama's judgment was sound. I just question whether he can bring as many voters as Clinton would have.

For a little comic relief here's a new TV spot from Al Franken's campaign for Senator in MN (where he's now leading):

www.youtube.com

"Whatever else Biden's selection means, it suggests Obama ism't overly concerned about electoral numbers." - ZED

The operative word being ~overly~ Of course he's concerned about electoral numbers... though he's taking a more national approach vs hopefully capturing a single state.

The perceived positives Biden brings nationally apparently is viewed by Obama as being more critical than taking a guy like Evan Bayh in the hope of taking Indiana.

Dubya apparently used that same logic when he selected Cheney. (Wyoming is quite conservative.) Bush needed a guy with gov't gravitas. Obama is doing the same thing by choosing the longest-serving Senator.

Conversely, Edwards couldn't deliver NC or SC for Dems last time. My guess is Edwards' primary reason for being on the ticket was to deliver some southern votes.

he needed someone fresh to go along with the "change" theme that got him where he is. Picking Biden just showed voters that it's the same ol' same ol' politics.

Could someone ask Barak to commit to end the disgusting Viagra and Cialis commercials!

Thanks AU I enjoyed that. Go Al!!!

I wonder if he will still have Pirate Day when he is a Senator, I loved Pirate Day. I wonder if Johnathan Alter and some of the other pundits he used to have on miss their personal theme songs?

Obama made a strategic error. He just lost Indiana in the electoral polls and McCain moved ahead of him 274-265. The choice for Obama was obvious - Evan B. of Indiana.


An Empty Suit and a Stuffed Shirt!

Posted by shirtsbyeric


you can stop posting that phrase now...you've gotten your money's worth!

i can see it now........... the empty suit with the dumbo ears gets stomped and he's got a ready-made shanty irish schmuck to throw under the bus........ what a bunch of idiots!!!!!!!!

"Obama made a strategic error. He just lost Indiana in the electoral polls and McCain moved ahead of him 274-265. The choice for Obama was obvious - Evan B. of Indiana." - FW

There may be some truth to that, FW. Time will tell. The other night on either O'Reilly or Hannity/Colmes they had Dick Morris discussing VP options.

Morris said it would be an Obama mistake to take Bayh - Morris called Bayh a marshmellow. Apparently back when Morris was working for Bill Clinton they'd asked Bayh to speak at the convention and do an attack number on the Reps.

Bayh refused to go negative in any real way. I forget what happened next, but I think they moved his speech to a very low priority time.

If the role of a VP is to help attack the opponent... and also to shore up perceived weaknesses, then Biden makes more sense than most anyone out there.

FWTHOM, you're exactly right

Obama really srcewed himself on this pick. I was worried that he would pick a blue guy in a red state.

Yes, Biden is an attack dog with a loose mouth, but he could've been that for Obama without being on the ticket

"Obama really screwed him self on this pick...."

I find no convincing evidence Indiana was ever going Democratic this year. If Obama had selected Bayh, you'd be posting that, not me.

GEEZER

Far fewer right wingers here or in the larger world can make a salient point. Jingoism and low road attacks seem to be all they have in their playbook.

Perhaps it's because they can't argue that to continue Bush's policies is a WH winning strategy, not with 85% of America thinking we're headed in the wrong direction. Or, in the case of some, it may be they are just hateful people who don't possess the intelligence to make an argument FOR McCain.



The few who got the text message, read it, and figured out who Joe Biden IS, must have thought "WTF? an old wrinkled white guy? hope and change?"

If Obama had selected the Virginian, you'd be posting that as a sign he's worried about the electoral numbers and winning the election at all.

Yes, Biden is an attack dog. Peculiarly qualified to attack concerning Iraq. It's going to be interesting to dissect the Republican notion of military victory for three solid months.

Good point, ZED.

Any and all VP choices come with trade offs. It's easy to poke holes no matter who gets the nod.

Same process will repeat itself when McCain names his VP.

Obama's goal is to win the election. With that in mind he must weigh all the pros and cons. I'm sure personalities/compatibility enters into it a bit, but I've got to think the primary goal of winning overshadows whether the candidate really likes the VP. (Kennedy picking Johnson is a prime example)

By this afternoon the Neocon Character Assasination Machine will be in full swing. Possible memes:

*Biden is an associate of Islamic Terrorists
*He cheats on his wife
*He hates God and Hates America
*He wants to bring Red socialism to America
*Drug user

YAWN. Here it comes. As usual.

Yes, Obama is done for sure. keep the hope up folks. But this one is in the bag.... Not that I like McCain. But he is way better than Obama.

What has Obama Accomplished while in the senate?
Nothing just like the libs running shit now.

Rcade, maybe you should begin charging for name changes.

Come November, a lot of posters will vanish, and new ones, not wanting to take responsibility for idiotic predictions, will emerge.

GET READY TO HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Let the smear begin!

During one of the Democratic debates, Biden stood by comments
about Obama that "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't
believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-
the-job training."

One of the youngest politicians ever elected to the Senate - he was 29 - Biden entered the 1988 Democratic presidential primary promising to "rekindle the fire of idealism in our society." He reluctantly quit the race three months later after he was caught lifting lines from a speech by a British Labour Party leader.

Palagiarist.

The question was rooted in Biden's occasional gaffes. He had apologized earlier for describing Obama as "articulate" and "clean" in one unguarded episode that was taken by some to have a racial overtone. And he'd had to defend his remark that "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

Oh, and don't forget to add "closet racist" to that, too. We know how we all hate racists on this site, right? He'll complement Obama well.

www.breitbart.com

Good pick.

I'll NEVER vote for them, but I doubt Obama could've picked better.

And I doubt McCain can pick as relatively well for himself.

"And I doubt McCain can pick as relatively well for himself." - KIRK

Why's that, KIRK?

I have a feeling Kirk is alluding to McCain picking Romney or Ridge.

Romney would be a good pick.

I've been watching a 2007 interview with Biden on C-SPAN

What a great guy.

(Libslayer, I HOPE McCain picks Romney. Once the rust belt states get an idea of how his private equity firm laid off workers, outsourced jobs to China, and sold off companies on the backs of American middle class workers, McCain will be toast there)

Agreed, LIB. As I said upthread, no choice is without tradeoffs... pros and cons.

The only area where I see Romney possibly being a problem is the Mormon/Christianity conflict.

Romney is perceived as strong on the economy... he managed the Olympics... been a Gov. Good manager.

Might be light on foreign affairs/national security, but that's McCain's strength.

Romney looks good - a nice counter balance against the white haired McCain. Let's face facts - image (appearance) and communication skills are very important. Look at Obama, for example.

" The only area where I see Romney possibly being a problem is the Mormon/Christianity conflict."

Especially to the Evangelicals who realize McCain may not survive the first term, and (to them) a "cultist" would then be President.

The only area where I see Romney possibly being a problem is the Mormon/Christianity conflict.

Again, christians may not like it and they may complain about it, but McCain thinks of them as saps and knows they are going to show up to vote for him anyway.

Dictionary: jingoism (jĭng'gō-ĭz'əm) n.
Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism.

Am I missing something? Where's the jingoism in all this?

Come November, a lot of posters will vanish, and new ones, not wanting to take responsibility for idiotic predictions, will emerge.Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-23 10:13 AM |

Like a said the other day, when have ANY OF YOU owned up to a faulty prediction or statement here?

Bring on the examples, Kirk.

VALIS

If the the whole premise of the Bush Administration hasn't been jingoism, if McCain's whole campaign (outside making false claims against Obama) isn't jingoism, then what is it?

KIRK

I predicted in early January Obama would be the nominee.

Now I'm predicting he'll win the White House.

Write it down.

What False Claims???

Effin' A, I'm talking about the Mormo-lover (the Satanic Bible says it's the god of the dead in it's list of demon spirits). Danforth, of course we "born agains" call Mitt a "cultist"--he meets the dictionary definition.

He also has NO grace, favor or likeability other than for Lfake plastic" country club conservatives that like superficiality and only paying lower taxes.

How much money did that d-bag spend and HOW bad did he do? All the oil money in Saudi Arabia couldn't get Mitt elected!

As Joseph Smith once famously bragged, "We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world."

OOHRAH

Romney brings more problems than his Mormonism.

His business practices are antithetical to the middle class workers who've been put out of work.

His shifting positions on abortion and national health care will be a problem. He clearly changed his positions looking to a 2008 run for the White House turning from moderate to 'conservative' to pander to the right wing.

I'm from Michigan originally. I doubt half the voters remember who his dad was, but I guarantee you they know how hard times are there right now. Business practices like Romney has engaged in have put multitudes out of work as jobs were moved to China. The Big Three rule there, but more jobs were in the companies that provided parts to the Big Three.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, Kirk, if McCain nominates Romney as his veep, he's got your vote?

I like Biden, I still would never vote for Obama because he is a punk, An over-educated non-performer who has never stood for anything. but Biden is concerned about America, He still wants to take more of my money and give it to people wno don't do anything for uit accept whine about 'the American people are hurting" We are hurting because they keep taking more and spending more. If The DEMS had picked Biden as there candidate, i would have been very interested in Voting for him. For some reason that eludes me you picked a non-voting, no principals, married to a radical punk..I think it helps and I still have to go with McCain, At least I know he has suffered for something, he may have 7 houses now, But like all Americans who strive to improve themselves . he one time lived in a small concrete room in Hanoi for over 5 years

Boring...

The equivolent of Romney...

The C-SPAN hour long interview with Biden from 2007 was very good.

I didn't know Biden took his Senate oath at the side of his son's hospital bed when Biden's wife and daughter were killed in a car crash, and I didn't know he began the practice of commuting every day back to Wilmington to be with his family.

Loved his sense of humor too.

For those who say Biden's words about Obama will be used I say probably so. But, so will Romney's against McCain if he's the VP nominee.

As much as McCain dislikes Romney I suspect he'll more than likely choose Pawlenty. Romney's too fake with too much baggage.

"...over-educated..."

Yeah, that seems to be a real threat to right-wingers.

"We are hurting because they keep taking more and spending more."

Where, exactly, have you been the last 7 and a half years?

"But like all Americans who strive to improve themselves..."

See? There's the answer to our problems! Marry an heiress!

Hillbilly,

Welfare as we knew it ended years ago.

You're for giving my money to no bid corporations?

"You're for giving my money to no bid corporations?"

Only if they have an (R) after their name.

Danforth,

There are plentiful times when people said or predicted shit that didn't happen (sorry I don't have time to look 'em up).
Sheeha about Hillary winning.
Crap about Obama staying 20 points ahead.
Bush will NEVER win in '04.

Honestly tell me you don't EVER recall any predictions here that were wrong?

I'll *start* with MINE--Bush will NOT pardon Libby.
I IMMEDIATELY admitted I was wrong publicly here.

So either I'm the only one who's ever been wrong here (impossible for anyone who's been here more than a week)

Or

People here don't want to own up to when they are wrong (someone else's point)

Or

I missed others' public apologies for being wrong.

There--I "put up"
What sayest y'all?
Anybody with a little humility?

Oohrah and Libslayer,

Romney will sink ay chance McCain thought he had. Sure it will make the choir sing, but lose the moderate vote he hangs his very slim chances on.

Biden is gonna slice and dice McCain over the next 3 months. Plenty of material to work with. Be afraid. Biden will be on every political talk show ripping McBush on all the things the media has given him a pass on.

Great pick.

"recall any predictions here that were wrong?"


Lokisfur comes to mind.

"What sayest y'all?"

Show me one of mine, and watch the correction fly.

"Lokisfur comes to mind."

C'mon, Zat...he just accidentally misspelled years, M-O-N-T-H-S.

"over-educated" describes someone who goes to a school forever and still doesn't "know' anything. Especially when he says he was a "law professor" and how exactly does another law degree benefit mankind, Don't we have enough lawyers in politics, How about someone who graduated from the 'University of Hard Work"..Biden fits that, But Obama reminds me too much of todays college kids, they are either going to school on their parents money, my tax money..getting a C average and then protesting everything my parents worked to preserve. THAT IS OVER-EDUCTAED!!!

Danforth,

I will NOT be voting for Obama.

I will NOT send one dollar to McCain or put a McCain sticker on my big SUV if he picks Romney.

And I will NOT justify Romney if picked.

Maybe you can understand that Christians like myself honestly think that the God of the Bible will judge us according to how we vote. This includes:
-how our nation cares for the poor ("the least of these")
-how our nation cares for those in prisons
-how much liberty we have in lots of areas
-how much our nation cares for the shedding of innocent blood (this includes war AND abortion)
-how our nations laws affect our children
-the character of who our POTUS is
(Some weigh a little heavier than others)

Jesus said "Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

I take that seriously.

And it would be VERY HARD for me to vote for McCain with Romney on the ticket (maybe impossible).

PS As long as corporations continue to employ thousands of Americans, I have little problem with that, Keep trying to demonize all corproations and a lot fo people you know will be living under 'John Edwards Grates and under bridges" Who do you think employs people, Are you going to get a Job with the "Ministry of Silly walks" once everything is gone and we have no more corprotaions because you ahve run them off shore

But Obama reminds me too much of todays college kids, they are either going to school on their parents money, my tax money..getting a C average and then protesting everything my parents worked to preserve. THAT IS OVER-EDUCTAED!!!

Well, you're not describing Obama.

He got a couple of grants, paid off his student loans only a couple of years ago, and was an A student at the #1 University in the country.

Your parents worked to undermine the middle class?

"THAT IS OVER-EDUCTAED!!!"

Hmmm....maybe not.

"THAT IS OVER-EDUCTAED(sic)!!!"

Good thing I have fuses on my irony meter.

Pssst Hillbilly:

Corporations have been moving jobs offshore at a record pace with the Bush/GOP Congress tax credits

They've also been replacing workers HERE with H1-B visa workers from China and India. Witnessed it myself on a recent trip to NYC. The financial district has been laying off Americans and replacing them with these workers.

If you're for the middle class and American workers you're on the wrong side bro.

I'm finding the idea of having too much education a bit hard to understand. Making room for the creatively ignorant? Wasn't that what the last eight years were about?

Biden is the perfect pick. Blue collar roots, Catholic, family man.

"Biden is gonna slice and dice McCain over the next 3 months. Plenty of material to work with. Be afraid. Biden will be on every political talk show ripping McBush on all the things the media has given him a pass on."

Obama has had more passes than any one...

Obama has the worst past out of any of them.

For those of you who think ALL religion is a joke, my thoughts must be like "do angels have 2 or 6 wings."

For those who you who try to look at religious texts, take them at face value, then use your college education to examine them fully, rejecting what doesn't measure up, embracing what does, it's a very *different* examination.

Coins, geographical locations, races/ancestries, rulers, and the like are found in BOTH the Bible AND the Book of Mormon.

Many/most of those have been confirmed archaologically found in the Bible (look it up on your own).

NONE of those found in the Book of Mormon have EVER been found (if you must, look it up).

Christianity is an historical religion--if it's history is all wrong, it's religion is all wrong.

But this thread is on Obama/Biden--nice pick, Barak.

Who is BOWA now?

2 points for all you idiots out there:

A lawyers are the scum of the earth

B McCain should pick Condi Rice for his v-p and then we would have someone with a 1st class brain on hand...... ck out her article in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs........

"Many/most" (actually it's zero) "of those have been confirmed archaologically found in the Bible (look it up on your own). "

You can't even spell archaeologically.
And you're a liar.

NONE of those found in the Book of Mormon have EVER been found (if you must, look it up).


Your Point????????????

He's also an aggressive campaigner who won't shy from the role of attacking the other side.

Posted by rcade at 2008-08-23 07:28


you are probably right

and so does this signal the end to any civil debate that obama has whined about for so long
and isnt it interesting that this is one of biden's big qualifications...that he can attack the other side.
so there should not be any sanctamonious bullshit about the right wing attack machine anymore since he was selected because of it

"Many/most of those have been confirmed archaologically found in the Bible (look it up on your own). "

You're joking, right? Find me one historical proof of Moses...you know, the bearer of the ten commandments.

Large groups in one place for 40 days leave behind archeological traces. Yet 40 years, and not a single artifact unearthed.

He stated his point. Christianity is an historical religion.

"You're a liar...."

On second thought, maybe that critique of "over-eudcation was on the mark.

"You cannot spell...."

I know a chef that would physically assault you for substituting vinegar and milk for buttermilk in a pinch.

Makes great food, but no one likes to eat with him.

ok, i have read up on biden on here from posters comments and have watched his speeches on you tube. biden does seem like an attack dog as one said but that is what supposedly all of you love about obama is that he is above that and when he is two stepping around a question, that he is deep in intellectual thought. biden is going to come off as a bully with this insults and over the top attacks, he will put his foot in his mouth at the worst time. so how is biden going to spin his answer that now obama is ready?

as for mccain, he has to pick romney, a gov, not a senator. biden brings to the table the same all senators bring. romney brings leadership, ecomonic management and calm and deliberate intellect that will offset biden's shoot fromt the lip insulting, bullying, yelling rhetoric.

AmericanUnity, thank you for your verifiable predictions. We'll talk mid-November.

You may want to work on your humility for that time...

...Unless McCain picks Romney.

I'll make predictions after *his* pick.

zed....... you are an idiot........... O'Bama is an elitist, preppy, Marxist yuppy and O'Biden is a shanty Irish plagiarist and neither one has ever had a real job..... a'la the useless Kennedys

DANFORTH---

Let me state the "scientific" view, as often articulated here---

We have good men working on it, and we'll solve that problem eventually.

"Neither has ever had a real job...."

Did you vote for Bush? You know the point I'm getting to.

He should have picked Mondale.

That's funny, I was an "A" Student, I Paid off my loan 13 years ago. But My Studies were Math, which has allowed me to work in the research feild for years with a defense contractor. Of Course most of the people here work to develope better ways to kill and destroy, but it is something..Does that make me a good candidate for president. Oh Yes and I went to a state School..It's not Princeton (Or whatever)
I don't think 'Undermining the middle class" was going through my pop's hesd when he was getting shot at in Korea, or Working his butt off to help me through school.My Mom is a big Lib, and we fight all the time. I always tell here i am running for congress and my slogan will be "Vote for me because my mom won't"

To all the Obama Fans.

Please, What has Obama Accomplished while in the senate?

Did you vote for Bush? You know the point I'm getting to.

Being a sodden one-man bankruptcy wave is hard work.

so what is the prediction on a bump obama/biden will get? i say he will get a 5-7 point bump based on all the media hype he will get, then voters will start looking up his voting record and speeches.

Zat,

You're a picky, smug little bastard that doesn't even make a cogent point.

The biggest babies on here are those who pick on spelling errors.

I bring something to the table before I call people a "liar."

You're welcome to do that.

"I want to make it clear that I totally oppose the surging of additional American troops into Baghdad... I think it is contrary to the overwhelming body of informed opinion... A surge of up to 30,000 American troops cannot have any positive effect except for only temporary... We have to make it clear to the Iraqis that in this quarter, we're going to begin to draw down American troops... The overwhelming reason for that is we must force a political settlement... They must understand that there is no prospect for us to be able to bring peace to Iraq if the Iraqis don't want peace as much as we do."

Sen. Biden

oops, he was wrong, as most dems were. ouch

Like I said , I Like Joe Biden, I think he is a good man, Too bad he is a Dem, and now all you see is Nancy Pelosi as the face of that party, Obama is the new Walter Mondale and I wouldn't have any problem with him being president ..EXCEPT he will have a DEM controlled congress, that means recession, more taxes, less law enforcement, More illegals, hospitals closing, High unemployment. At least with Clinton he had to compromise with a republican congress

Assertion that Bush administration believes war is lost
On January 4, Biden said that he believed top officials in the Bush administration had privately concluded that the Iraq War was lost. He stated that they simply wished to postpone exiting the country so the next president would be the guy landing helicopters inside the Green Zone, taking people off the roof." He continued, They have no answer to deal with how badly they have screwed it up. I am not being facetious now. Therefore, the best thing to do is keep it from totally collapsing on your watch and hand it off to the next guy -- literally, not figuratively.-- He said that both Vice-President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are, "really smart guys who made a very, very, very, very bad bet, and it blew up in their faces." He also suggested that they were among those who had accepted that the war was lost. [2]

Biden, at this point the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also announced that he would soon be holding four weeks of hearings focused on every aspect of U.S. policy in Iraq. The hearings planned to include top political, economic and intelligence experts; foreign diplomats; and former and current senior U.S. officials. Among those asked to testify were former Secreatries of State Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright, as well as former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger. [3]

hmm, the only people that thought the war was lost were the ones trying to lose it.

thanks obama, you are making this too easy

"Except only for the temporary...."

I'd say that's correct. I'd also say we're in the process of seeing. You DO understand al-Maliki is going after the Awakening?

"They have no answer about how badly they screwed it up...."

I'd say that's also true. Personally, I'd like to see Biden just hammer the Republicans with their "timetables" nonsense.

"...and now all you see is Nancy Pelosi as the face of that party"

You're looking at it backwards. Pelosi is the ASS of the party.

I'll make predictions after *his* pick.

Posted by kirk at 2008-08-23 11


I agree with hillbilly.....for some reason I have also liked bide. might have something to do with what we have in common about lost children but he is a dem in all its wolf clothing and I will work to see that he stays in the senate

and now to kirk's post


how about a pool for how long it takes him to say something that gets him into some sort of trouble
my bet would be within 3 to 4 months.......

and at least he will be able to campaign with obama and be "CLEAN"...............

Danforth,
I, In good faith, answered your question. I also included "look it up".

You can do that and find your answers.

I'm not going to do that for you--at least today.

I'm on a walk now answering this on a crackberry--will whiny little bastards like Zat picking on spellings errors.

Every Christain out there would agree with me; feel free to ask them, or go to a library.

No disprespect to you, I just have stuff to do.

SCOOTER---

The war is "won" only if you accept that accepting the best out of a range of truly fucked options is victory.

Yes, hammer the Republican concept of winning. Put people back in touch with what, exactly, that nice Corporal who lives down the street died for.

Please, what has Obama accomplished in the Senate?

Libslayer

Most of his legislative effort has been in the area of Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills), health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills), consumer protection/labor (14 bills), the needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills), Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills), Foreign Policy (10 bills) Voting and Elections (9 bills), Education (7 bills), Hurricane Katrina Relief (6), the Environment (5 bills), Homeland Security (4 bills), and discrimination (4 bills).

Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law:

Two addressed foreign policy:
Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).

Three addressed public health:
Improve mine safety (2803)
Increased breast cancer funding (597)
Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).

Two addressed openness and accountability in government:
Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488)
Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)

Two addressed national security
Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
Amend the Patriot Act (2167)

One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces
Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).

Of the 570 bills Senator Obama introduced into the Senate during the 109th and 110th Congress (Senate Bill numbers are in parentheses), they can be summarized as follows:

25 addressed Energy Efficiency and Climate Change
Suspend royalty relief for oil and gas (115)
Reduce dependence on oil; use of alternative energy sources (133)
Increase fuel economy standards for cars (767, 768)
Auto industry incentives for fuel efficient vehicles (1151)
Reduce green house gas emissions (1324)
Establish at NSF a climate change education program (1389)
Increase renewable content of gasoline (2202)
Energy emergency relief for small businesses and farms (269)
Strategic gasoline and fuel reserves (1794)
Alternative diesel standards (3554)
Coal to liquid fuel promotion (3623)
Renewable diesel standards (1920)
Reducing global warming pollution from vehicles (2555)
Fuel security and consumer choice (1994, 2025)
Alternative energy refueling system (2614)
Climate change education (1389)
Low income energy assistance (2405)
Oil savings targets (339)
Fuel economy reform (3694)
Plug-in electric drive vehicles (1617)
Nuclear release notice (2348)
Passenger rail investment (294)
Energy relief for low income families (2405)

21 addressed Health Care
Drug re-importation (334)
Health information technology (1262, 1418)
Discount drug prices (2347)
Health care associated infections (2278)
Hospital quality report cards (692, 1824)
Medical error disclosure and compensation (1784)
Emergency medical care and response (1873)
Stem cell research (5)
Medical Malpractice insurance (1525)
Health centers renewal (901, 3771)
Childrens health insurance (401)
Home health care (2061)
Medicare independent living (2103)
Microbicides for HIV/AIDS (823)
Ovarian cancer biomarker research (2569)
Gynological cancers (1172)
Access to personalized medicine through use of human genome (976)
Paralysis research and care (1183)

20 addressed Public Health:
Violence against women (1197)
Biodefense and pandemic preparedness and response (1821, 1880)
Viral influenza control (969)
End homelessness (1518)
Reduce STDs/unintended pregnancy (1790)
Smoking prevention and tobacco control (625)
Minority health improvement and disparity elimination (4024)
Nutrition and physical education in schools (2066)
Health impact assessments (1067, 2506)
Healthy communities (1068)
Combat methamphetamines (2071)
Paid sick leave (910)
Prohibit mercury sales (833, 1818)
Prohibit sale of lead products (1306, 2132)
Lead exposure in children (1811, 2132)

14 address Consumer Protection/Labor
Stop unfair labor practices (842)
Fair minimum wage (2, 1062, 2725, 3829)
Internet freedom (2917)
Credit card safety (2411)
Media ownership (2332)
Protecting taxpayer privacy (2484)
Working family child assistance (218)
Habeus Corpus Restoration (185)
Bankruptcy protection for employees and retirees (2092)
FAA fair labor management dispute resolution (2201)
Working families flexibility (2419).

13 addressed the Needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces:
Improve Benefits (117)
Suicide prevention (479)
Needs of homeless veterans (1180)
Homes for veterans (1084)
GI Bill enhancement (43)
Military job protection
Dignity in care for wounded vets (713)
Housing assistance for low income veterans (1084)
Military children in public schools (2151)
Military eye injury research and care (1999)
Research physical/mental health needs from Iraq War (1271)
Proper administration of discharge for personality disorder (1817, 1885)
Security of personal data of veterans (3592)

12 addressed Congressional Ethics and Accountability
Lobbying and ethics reform (230)
Stop fraud (2280)
Legislative transparency and accountability (525)
Open government (2180, 2488)
Restoring fiscal discipline (10)
Transparency and integrity in earmarks (2261)
Accountability of conference committee deliberations and reports (2179)
Federal funding accountability and transparency (2590)
Accountability and oversight for private security functions under Federal
contract (674)
Accountability for contractors and personnel under federal contracts
(2147) Resctrictions awarding government contracts (2519)

10 addressed Foreign Policy:
Iraq war de-escalation (313)
US policy for Iraq (433),
Divestiture from Iran (1430)
Sudan divestment authorization (831)
Millennium Development Goals (2433)
Multilateral debt relief (1320)
Development bank reform (1129)
Nuclear nonproliferation (3131,977,2224).

CNN just reported John McCain's official response to Obama picking Biden as his Vice Presidential running mate was:

"You know that I was in a POW concentration camp during the Vietnam war and was tortured don't you? "

9 address Voting/Elections
Prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections (453)
Voter access to polls and services in Federal elections (737)
Voter intimidation and deceptive practices (1975)
Senate campaign disclosure parity (185)
Require reporting for bundled campaign contributions (2030)
Election jamming prevention (4102)
Campaign disclosure parity (223)
Presidential funding (2412)
Integrity of electronic voting systems (1487)

11 addressed Education
Increase access of low income African Americans to higher education (1513)
Establish teaching residency programs (1574)
Increase early intervention services (2111)
Middle school curriculum improvements (2227)
Public database of scholarships, fellowships and financial aid (2428)
Summer learning programs (116)
TANF financial education promotion (924)
Higher education (1642)
Build capacity at community colleges (379)
Campus law enforcement in emergencies (1228)
Support for teachers (2060).

6 addressed Hurrican Katrina
Hurricane Katrina recovery (2319)
Emergency relief (1637)
Bankruptcy relief and community protection (1647)
Working family tax relief (2257)
Fair wages for recovery workers (1749)
Gulf coast infrastructure redevelopment (1836)

5 addressed the Environment
Drinking water security (218, 1426)
Water resources development (728)
Waste water treatment (1995)
Combat illegal logging (1930)
Spent nuclear fuel tracking and Acountability (1194)
Asian Carp Prevention and Control Act (Introduced in Senate)[S.726.IS ]

4 addressed Discrimination
Claims for civil class action based on discrimination (1989)
Domestic partnership benefits (2521)
Unresolved civil rights crimes (535)
Equality or two parent families (2286)

4 addressed Homeland Security
Judicial review of FISA orders (2369)
National emergency family locator (1630)
Amend US Patriot Act (2167)
Chemical security and safety (2486)

"Every Christain out there would agree with me"

Every one? I would hope at least some are knowledgeable.

Kirk,

As a Christian I cannot vote for a party that denigrates life outside the womb every chance it gets - the GOP

AU..........impressive.

not because obama was IN THE SENATE when this all came down but that you could put it on here.
you are certainly a talented guy arent you......hee hee.........

AND kirk said..........

will whiny little bastards like Zat picking on spellings errors.


this happens all the time. its their way of saying that they have no answer to the debate......

and remember lefties.......when I post there are NO SPELLING ERRORS.........they are all typos.....LOL

I bet Neil Kinnock has a doozy of a speech written for Biden to give at the DNC. Hope it's as good as the one Obama plagiarized from Mass. Gov Deval Patrick.

All bs. He did nothing more than vote on the bills.

I'll be McCain won't be plagiarizing Wikipedia anytime in the near future

LIBSLAYER

What part about 'sponsoring' and writing legislation do you equate to 'he did nothing more than vote on the bills'?

my point is he has done nothing him self. How is he going to make Change when he has done nothing...

hey american_u........ you get the award for being the biggest idiot here today and the award is......... you get to sit on Barney Frank's lap all during the DNC :-o

AU..........impressive.

not because obama was IN THE SENATE when this all came down but that you could put it on here.
you are certainly a talented guy arent you......hee hee.........

BL2

I'll let Obama's record speak for itself. I'm only the messenger in reply to "would you libs please tell me what Obama's done in the Senate?" (ph)

If you'd like to post McCain's legislative writing/sponsoring for those two years I'll be happy to read it.

(Speaking of votes you'd better not include the votes he missed while IN Washington over energy policy - the ones that would have funded alternative energy projects - one of which would he would have been the tie breaking vote for it's passage)

AU.....what we are saying is that ANY SENATOR can say he cosponsored all of this stuff.
there is NOTHING that he lead the senate into doing for the american people and IF there is, you can bet it had a tax increase in it......

if my senators voted for any of those, then I guess I could say I co sponsored them as well since THEY WORK FOR ME..........

and even though I didnt agree with it at all.

look at the things that have MCCAINS NAME on them......

thats the kind of thing we are talking about.....

did they pass....no thanks goodness like the immigration stuff but look at the campaign finance reform with MCCAINS NAME ON it..........its bullshit in my mind but you libs should LOVE HIM For it.........



B McCain should pick Condi Rice for his v-p and then we would have someone with a 1st class brain on hand...... ck out her article in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs........

Posted by crankeebastard

You mean where she said that missiles in Poland would beused to defend against North Korea and Iran?

Yeah, she has quite a brain.

lol

and remember lefties.......when I post there are NO SPELLING ERRORS.........they are all typos.....

When you post here it's a waste of space on RCades hard drives.

ah that last one wasnt real good...but you get my point dont you

there are NO laws or bills that have obamas name on them........or are there??? I dont think so

unless its the one getting rezko off the hook for being A CROOK and a buddy business partner of his....

CRANKEEBASTARD

If you're idea of 'being an idiot' is posting facts and not hyperbole or meaningless rhetoric I proudly accept - but I'll pass on the lap sitting.

A nap will help that crankiness. Won't help with the second half of your ID though. LOL

The candidate of change picked a Washington insider. So much for the bullshit about change. The only thing that's going to change is the faces we have to put up for the next four years.

Danforth,

So this goes the way ALL of our interactions go.

One of states their position. The other asks a question
The other answers.
Then, inevitably, you come back with insults but no real assertions.

I've made my assertions.

I will give you this--at least *this* time it is NOT on how knowledgeable you are about all things pertaining to sodomy and how "gay people feel" about the topic.

"The only thing that's going to change is the faces..."

And the SC. And the tax code.

But faces is a good enough place to start.

BL2

For every Rezko comment I have three Keating's - you know....the guy who cost the American taxpayers billions? The convicted felon who was McCain's mentor, chief fundraiser, and who got Mccain to push legislation deregulating the Savings and Loan industry?

OK. Game on.


and remember lefties.......when I post there are NO SPELLING ERRORS.........they are all typos.....


When you post here it's a waste of space on RCades hard drives.

Posted by Whatsleft


you have the liberal look dont you.

its called humor and selfdepricating humor at that but you must just be too much of a liberal fuck to get it and maybe even join in with something besides the same old mean liberal crap.........


so have a good weekend.......IM on my way to a republican meeting so we can schedule all of the homeless attacks and welfare checks to steal
hey we might even find some little kids to take food from..........

"I will give you this--at least *this* time it is NOT on how knowledgeable you are about all things pertaining to sodomy and how "gay people feel" about the topic. "

Look, you self-loathing closet case, either show some historical proof Moses existed or admit you can't.

Biden's a great pick.

Look out McCain. You just got an attack dog from hell on your ankle who won't let go - who was in the Senate 10 years before you were in Congress.

AU.........about out of time but show me where mccain was found guilty of anything to do with the keating incident

will check it on monday if this thread is still up

going for weekend of beer drinking and sex....and YES with the opposite sex.

have a great weekend

so have a good weekend.......IM on my way to a republican meeting

Have fun at your circle jerk! Is Rush gonna bring some little boys from the Bahamas?

Biden is a racist....

"I've had a great relationship [with Indian Americans]," Biden said. "In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."
www.msnbc.msn.com

In the interview, Biden described Obama as "the first mainstream African American [presidential candidate] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
www.washingtonpost.com

This ought to be interesting....

"look at the things that have MCCAINS NAME on them......"

Tax cuts for the wealthiest. Largest deficits since the dawn of time. 95% of what Bush wanted in '08. 100% of what Bush wanted in '07. 90% over Bush's administration, meaning as Bush's popularity waned, McCain supported Bush more and more.

So yes...let's look al all those things.

Ah yes, a perfect fit for the "Change" theme...
-a political hack who has infected Washington for 36 years.
-A man who was blown out of the Presidential Primary after the FIRST caucus.
-A man who has repeatedly stated that NOBama is not competent to be President (at least he got one thing right).
-A man who says at least NOBama is "clean" and "articulate"... I guess he believes most Blacks don't take baths and can't talk!

Yes, a perfect match, two plagarists... wonder if they will plagarize each other's speeches?

Well at least ElRushblo got his prayers answered. He was praying that the New Village Idiot would choose Joe "Motor Mouth" Biden as his running mate.
Almost as good as Kerry-Lieberman was in 2004.

So it looks like the Republicans keep the White House. By ceding the South with an all North ticket, if there was any hope, picking Biden sunk that hope faster than the Titanic!

Let the Fun begin!

BL3

Show me where Obama was convicted of anything. Show me where Rezko cost the American taxpayers billions like Keating.

McCain barely escaped felony charges.

Good luck getting laid. I don't think I'd tout my love for Bush - well, not THAT kind anyway LOL

Have a good weekend, man!

"going for weekend of beer drinking and sex....and YES with the opposite sex."

The opposite sex? Are you sure you're a Republican?

"Clean" as opposed to a "Dirty" politician.

I agree 100%

There is much hand wringing going on at the McCain headquarters today.

Biden will wipe the floor with the GOP VP candidate.

He is the perfect VP choice for Obama.

"at least ElRushblo got his prayers answered. He was praying that the New Village Idiot would choose Joe "Motor Mouth" Biden as his running mate."

If history is any lesson, El Rushbo should be more concerned about himself, as the combination of Senator Macacca and Rush's impersonation of Michael J. Fox handed the Senate to the Democrats.

Loved the 3 a.m. rollout time too!!

From NBC:

""On the Democratic side, it was a collective 'phew.' As the days got nearer for the pick, it was hard to find a Democrat -- even savvy Clintonites -- who weren't hoping it would be Biden. Only the most strident Hillary supporters appear to be upset this morning. On the GOP side, the sound you heard was disappointed silence. Of everyone on the short list, the candidate many Republicans least wanted to see Obama pick was Biden."

From Hillary Clinton:

"In naming my colleague and friend Joe Biden to be the vice presidential nominee, Barack Obama has continued in the best traditions for the vice presidency by selecting an exceptionally strong, experienced leader and devoted public servant. Senator Biden will be a purposeful and dynamic vice president who will help Senator Obama both win the presidency and govern this great country."

"This ought to be interesting...."

Yup. Once again, it's what a Democrat said versus what Republicans actually did.

www.usatoday.com

www.washingtonpost.com

" I think Biden is a good pick, politically speaking. You'll hear a lot about Biden being selected to appeal to "white working-class" voters but really Biden is more about appealing to older white voters (and he doesn't hurt with Catholics). Nate Silver has run all the numbers and they are convincing. Remember, Barack does very well with younger white voters already -- Biden will give him a boost with a demo that he hasn't done as well with.

The GOP attack machine will try two main areas of attack. First, they'll run video from 2007 of Biden saying that Obama wasn't ready to be president. The thing is that this actually gives Biden an opening to explain why and how he changed his mind, and in so doing, he'll speak directly to voters who already don't think Obama is qualified. What I'm saying is that the GOP line of attack won't discourage anyone from voting for Obama, but it given Biden an opening to speak directly to the voters he's supposed to win over. The other line of attack will be Biden's plagiarism, which they will try to tie to Hillary's xerox attack. Our response is easy: McCain stealing from Wikipedia."

Jon Cohn:

"Conservatives will blast [Biden's] record, just as surely as liberals will (or should) celebrate it. But one of the virtues of having Biden as the vice presidential nominee is that he won't take those kinds of attacks lightly. He'll fight back. He'll remind people, rightly, that being a liberal Democrat means raising the minimum wage, making sure everybody has affordable health care, providing strong public schools, and protecting human rights. Then, he'll ask why conservative Republicans don't want the same things. That's exactly the kind of political debate this country needs. By picking Biden as a running mate, Obama has signaled that he welcomes this argument--and intends, finally, to win it."

Al Giordano:

" I think the two of them are going to get along splendidly, and have a lot of infectious fun using John McCain as a punching bag. Apollo Creed has now signed on as coach and sparring partner with Rocky Balboa. Multi-racial class warfare - there's a place for us, somewhere a place for us - now becomes the wedge against the millionaire McCain.

Yes, I would have preferred the "three point shot" - that Obama pick a running mate from outside of Washington - but as DC insiders go, it's interesting that Biden chose all these years to refuse to live inside it, or meet with its lobbyists.

Obama stopped at the three point line, passed the ball to the new muscle man with the sharp elbows, and put two points on the board instead. I can live with that. And my working class soul is actually looking forward to the populist campaign that will come out of the unlikely alliance of two guys from humble beginnings against the owners of this coal mine called America.

The 2008 election now has its very own "Comeback Kid," and his name ain't Clinton. Oh, yes, I can live with that."

Al Giordano:

" I think the two of them are going to get along splendidly, and have a lot of infectious fun using John McCain as a punching bag. Apollo Creed has now signed on as coach and sparring partner with Rocky Balboa. Multi-racial class warfare - there's a place for us, somewhere a place for us - now becomes the wedge against the millionaire McCain.

Yes, I would have preferred the "three point shot" - that Obama pick a running mate from outside of Washington - but as DC insiders go, it's interesting that Biden chose all these years to refuse to live inside it, or meet with its lobbyists.

Obama stopped at the three point line, passed the ball to the new muscle man with the sharp elbows, and put two points on the board instead. I can live with that. And my working class soul is actually looking forward to the populist campaign that will come out of the unlikely alliance of two guys from humble beginnings against the owners of this coal mine called America.

The 2008 election now has its very own "Comeback Kid," and his name ain't Clinton. Oh, yes, I can live with that."

Brzezinski, another old line Democrat and potentially in line for a high position in an Obama regime, epitomizes the same arrogance as the neocons. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The West needs to respond to Russia's aggression in a clear and determined manner. That doesn't mean with force. Nor should it fall into a new cold war with Russia. But the West, particularly the U.S., should continue to mobilize the international community to condemn Russia's behavior. Presidential candidates Barack Obama (whom I support) and John McCain should endorse President George W. Bush's efforts to oppose Russia's actions and form a bipartisan stand on this issue. It is unfortunate that some of the candidates' supporters are engaging in pointless criticism of each other's public statements on the Georgia crisis. This is too important for that.

But that objective can be achieved only if the world makes clear to Moscow that a stridently nationalistic Russia will not succeed in any effort to create a new empire in our postimperial age.
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Sen Chuck Hagel:

"Joe Biden is the right partner for Barack Obama. His many years of distinguished service to America, his seasoned judgment and his vast experience in foreign policy and national security will match up well with the unique challenges of the 21st Century. An Obama-Biden ticket is a very impressive and strong team. Biden's selection is good news for Obama and America"

Sen. Richard Lugar:

"I congratulate Senator Barack Obama on his selection of my friend, Senator Joe Biden, to be his vice-presidential running mate. I have enjoyed for many years the opportunity to work with Joe Biden to bring strong bipartisan support to United States foreign policy..."

Sen. Arlen Specter:

"No one on the Democratic side knows more about foreign policy than Sen. Biden," Specter said. "He's been an articulate spokesman on the subject. He also knows about domestic policy. He's been a leader on crime control."

"He'll fight back. He'll remind people, rightly, that being a liberal Democrat means raising the minimum wage, making sure everybody has affordable health care, providing strong public schools, and protecting human rights. Then, he'll ask why conservative Republicans don't want the same things. That's exactly the kind of political debate this country needs."

Ya and pay for all of it off of the hard working people who made something of thier lives. What A plan.....

LIBSLAYER

You keep repeating that line over and over...

Do you KNOW that Obama will LOWER taxes on the middle class MORE then McCain's plan?

Please back up your assertion if possible (which I happen to know is impossible).

The neocons engineered the Georgia blowout during the Olympics. I wonder if they have anything planned for the Democratic Convection? Just wondering. Stay tuned.

Do you KNOW that Obama will LOWER taxes on the middle class MORE then McCain's plan?

Federal debts have piled up to unimaginable proportions. Tax cuts are meaningless as long as deficits pile up. Those deficits have to be paid by the middle class one way or another.

"Ya and pay for all of it off of the hard working people who made something of thier lives. "

All the better to run up the charge card, always expecting someone else to pay, right?

Thier will be no middle class when you tax the shit out of large Companies. They will leave. then where will you work?

RAY

It's a pity the 'fiscal conservative' GOP ran up our debt to such astronomical levels indeed.

DR's "conservatives" are the last people who want to contribute paying it off too.

Oh, the irony!!

"Thier will be no middle class when you tax the shit out of large Companies."

Obama is basically suggesting we return, for the most part, to the Clinton tax codes.

Under those, the DJIA rose 225%. Under Bush's tax codes, about 10%.

What is it about the 225% you don't like?

well, at least Biden is interesting, and even a little unpredictable. That should make the campaign more fun at least. He's going to say some crazy stuff, and we can all enjoy it.

I wouldn't vote for Obama the Holy under any circumstances, but I would like to see a little fun in the campaign, and I predict that we're now in for that.

Now if we could just get McCain to pick Zell Miller, this election would rock.

also.. note to Ray.. if you're going to say something stupid, at least make it funny.. its a slow Saturday..




Taxing is not the way out...

Biden has baggage--

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But he improved the ticket in some respects.


And their speech is today at 3?

Everyone is out-gone to football games and with the kids-??

Really bad choice on the PR of this from Obama.


AU

According to credible estimates, federal bonded and unbonded obligations add up to over $100 TRILLION. The federal government is insolvent, dependent on foreign loans and the Federal Reserve. There is no way to put this egg back together again. God couldn't save this country from the financial catastrophe to come. It won't be long in coming, certainly during the next administration.

"Taxing is not the way out..."

But not taxing seems to be the way in.

Bush had true surplus budgets delivered to his doorstep, but went on to oversee the five largest deficits known to man.

also.. note to Ray.. if you're going to say something stupid, at least make it funny.. its a slow Saturday..
Posted by nmg_no

About Biden being a status quo old line Democrat? That's a fact.

Incentive to Business is the key and obama wants to kill that with his taxes socialist views. You want more small and large business. That is how real money is made. After all the money the people pay is from these businesses.

LIBSLAYER

I'd suggest you quit using a foam rubber sword LOL

We've had a 'pro-business' administration in power for 7 1/2 years and the middle class is hurting from their policies.

I like Biden well enough but I do have a huge issue with him regarding the VAWA act, that he's the primary author of. This law, though with laudable goals, has created terrible problems for many single and divorced fathers and it is terribly sexist. Recent efforts to reform it to be gender neutral were opposed by Biden.

I'll still support Obama enthusiastically but I really would have rather seen someone else, especially someone that can pull in some more electoral votes.

This just in.

The McCain campaign has released a new TV ad that features statements by Sen. Joe Biden criticizing Barack Obama's experience and praising the presumptive GOP nominee.

"Is he ready?" George Stephanopoulos asks Biden at an August 2007 debate. "You said, 'I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'"

"I think that I stand by the statement," Biden says, seen standing directly next to Obama.

And of John McCain, Biden says: "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off."

Three-quarters of voters asked in a new Post-ABC News poll said Biden would not sway their vote. But Republicans hope the new ad deters undecided or skeptical voters, even if it's drowned out this weekend by press coverage of the new ticket's first joint appearance.

The ad comes as no surprise, since Republicans have waited for days with reams of opposition research about all of Obama's potential VP picks and could have used similar footage and statements by most of those mentioned as Obama VP finalists, including former rivals Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd, and former Clinton supporter Evan Bayh.


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I did'nt say Bush has done a great job.

I said Obama will Kill Business growth and taxes are not the key...

Why would you not be PRO Business?????

Talk about status quo--

apnews.myway.com

I'll let Obama's record speak for itself. I'm only the messenger in reply to "would you libs please tell me what Obama's done in the Senate?" (ph)

Interesting. I just pulled up both Senate records for the two candidates for Legislation in Current Congress. Despite the campaigning by both, Obama's sponsored 129 bills, McCain, 38. It's just a metric, but I thought it was interesting.

VIDEO: Biden slams Bush and McCain

More comments from Biden on Obama--ouch!

On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: The only guy on the other side whos qualified is John McCain.--

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...--

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: Ive been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.--

On Obama:
Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell thats what I called for, Biden said today on MSNBCs Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, Im glad hes talking about these things.--

Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Bidens long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.-- That release mocked Obama for asking about the stunning level of mercury in fish-- and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

Assessing Obamas Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany-- of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. Ive seen zero evidence of that.--

Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical albeit in a slightly more backhanded way about Mr. Obama. I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,-- he said. I mean, thats a storybook, man.--

Also from that Observer interview: But and the but was clearly inevitable he doubts whether American voters are going to elect a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate, and added: I dont recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.--

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.--

More---

December 11, 2007: If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for Americas children, they should support another candidate,-- said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. But Im confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.--

Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, When this campaign is over, political slogans like experience and change will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.--

September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Bidens critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.

December 26, 2006: Frankly, I think Im more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.--

On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: Hes a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.--

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.--

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Husseins WMDs: Well, the point is, it turned out they didnt, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.--

Biden, on Obamas Iraq plan in August 2007: I dont want [my son] going [to Iraq],-- Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. But I tell you what, I dont want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.-- Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. Theres no political point worth my sons life,-- Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. Theres no political point worth anybodys life out there. None.--

And finally--more!

Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they dont. The international community says Were going to enforce the sanctions we placed-- or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.--

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out equally a mistake.--

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the Americas this administrations policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and long enough to give political reconciliation, theres been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.--

Biden in October of 2002: We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.--

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number hes going to, into Baghdad, itll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, theres no way to say, Mr. President, stop.--

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard were calling up, itll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.-- (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)

Having said all that: Theres something decent at the core of Joe Biden.-- Jim Geraghty, December 13, 2007

Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot-- blog for NRO

YOU NEED republicans because without them, your paying out the ass.

Republicans don't raise taxes, they raise debts. Just as dumb.

Also, you can't judge well the last 8 years because we are at war with 2 countries, and the economy was in a recession in 2000, as well as sept 11,

No we are not at war with two countries. We are occupying two countries, at enormous expense. Meanwhile domestic priorities languish.

its a fucking miracle we are so well off today after all that without raising taxes.

All the exploding debts did was push the day of reckoning into the future.


I'm happy for Joe Biden, who deserves this shot at contributing very importantly to the country he so unabashedly loves.

Though he has oft been verbally gaffe-prone in the past, it was always in an attempt to be as honest as a politician can be with the American people in these PC media frenzy days, not while trying to cover up for something.

Obama made the best choice of those on his list, which Ms Clinton, most obviously now, never was.

How bright never seriously considering her and her 18 million voters was is still to be determined.

KUMA nice are we a bit pissed..lololol
good points.

AIPAC and Israel must be delighted.

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" Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot-- blog for NRO

Posted by MURPHY"

You're violating Rcade's policies. A paragraph and a link will suffice.

Ray,

I remember earlier this year you thought the fix was in for Hilary--the primaries were just bread and circuses for the masses--for her inevitable presidency.

I am curious. Do you still think this is all part of the "Big Plan" or, in fact, that there is actually a "Big Plan"? Is it rigged from the outset or is there an actual election?

PAX

"I remember earlier this year you thought the fix was in for Hilary--the primaries were just bread and circuses for the masses--for her inevitable presidency. "


He thought the DNC could force people to vote for Clinton, apparently. But the fact that this conspiracy theory went down the tubes will teach him nothing. He'll just move on to the next "plot".

CORKY

I can see a SCOTUS nomination in Clinton's future.

If she hadn't been a McCain and drawn out the contest weeks after it was clear she wouldn't win enough delegates to overtake Obama she'd have been the VP nominee.

I think there are 18,000,000 who would have voted against any Clinton.

Hillary will probably deliver a heck of a speech at the convention, and hopefully it will mollify the estrogen driven women who'd vote against everything they stand for out of spite.

Sorry Null--

here is the link--

article.nationalreview.com

-after it was clear she wouldn't win

Given how strongly she finished, there is not now, nor has there ever been, an American politician who in her position would have quit.

Anyone with any political acumen at all knows that.


I won't risk a virus opening a link from National Review.

Ya and pay for all of it off of the hard working people who made something of thier lives. What A plan.....

You can take that to the bank, unless you live in NOBama's state of Illinois and his State Senate District...
Which has the HIGHEST STATE SALES TAX of of ANY City and County in the United States...

Courtesy of NOBama's mentor, Richard Daley, Mayor of Chicago and driver of the Democratic Machine that created NOBama.

Yes, folks will be spending their tax savings under NOBama, except there are no more penny candies any more to spend it on and NOBama and his friends drove Fanny Mae Candy company into bankruptcy anyway.

Then there are the over 1,000 families left homeless in NOBama's State senate district while he was State Senator after his friend Antoin Rezko and his former boss Allison Davis raped the American taxpayors out of $44 million with the help of NOBama... but NOBama got his reward, a nice mansion with the help of Rezko and his wife...

CHANGE - from Texas political machine to Illinois political machine...
Pass the Koolaid...

-mollify the estrogen driven women who'd vote against everything they stand for out of spite.

What an ass.


20% of the Clinton voters are going to vote for McCain--let's see that about 3.6 million plus or minus...


There was a post above about Biden running for Senator--

Well--he can run for both--if Obama loses he probably keeps his seat if he wins the election in November.

If Obama were to win--and Biden also won the Senate race--the governor would have to appoint or they could have another election. Cheaper to appoint. DE has a Dem Gov--right?

And the talk is to appoint Biden's son Beau.

But he is heading to Iraq as the DE Nat'l Guard for a year.

So have to see how it plays out.

Obama has bashed our foreign policy for some time, even though this is his weakest area. Remarkably, he picks the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

Given Biden's position, isn't he part of the problem?

CORKY

I guess we could debate 'til the cows come home, but the math wasn't there for her to exceed Obama's lead.

Look, I think Hillary was a formidable candidate. I hope she does NOT pay Penn, who did a horrible job. I'm wondering why the PUMA crowd has not already paid off the small $13 million in debt she'd like retired. I mean with all those millions of 'supporters' you'd think they'd have ponied up long ago...

She'll be a fine, long serving Senator if she chooses, and will probably be able to be a SCOTUS appointee or whatever position might be offered to her.

She did burn her bridges with the Obama camp by being a McCain way late in the primaries though. She broke the cardinal rule of politics, "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Democrat" (ph from Ronald Reagan).

MURPHY

Biden is not up for reelection this year....

Grendel
I am not privy to insider information. Usually the establishment candidate gets the nomination. My gut feeling tells me a black candidate with a Muslim sounding name cannot get elected president. It remains to be seen if the Democratic Party is more stupid than I gave them credit for.

The Big Plan is to expand the power of the State. Obama true believers expect their candidate of change to upset the system. They will be badly disappointed. He is a candidate because he is a product of the system. He would not be where he is otherwise.


"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain


Some posters rarely fail to remind me of this quote.

She'll be a fine, long serving Senator if she chooses, and will probably be able to be a SCOTUS appointee or whatever position might be offered to her.

Or she will be the next Democrat nominee in 2012 if Obama loses. I doubt she will accept any appointment from an Obama presidency, unless maybe it was VP.

Or she will be the next Democrat nominee in 2012 if Obama loses.

Will never happen. She won't get the vote of Obama supporters. If anybody is the nominee in 2012 other than Obama it will be Al Gore.

"mollify the estrogen driven women who'd vote against everything they stand for out of spite"

You mean like the aassholes over at Hillary44?

"Once again Barack Obama proves his lack of judgement, experience, and decency. Barack Obama is not qualified to be president.

Big Media tool Barack Obama has finally made a decision and chosen Big Media favorite Joe Biden to join the Chicago circus. Biden is an experience patch on the flat tire of experience which is Barack Obama. This deflated tire wont roll."

...

The Republican convention will doubtlessly have a lot more, for four days, on Obamas running mates Rezko/Ayres/Wright.

www.hillaryis44.org

The Democratic Party will not fathom another Clinton run. She and Bill burned too many bridges with her late primary tactics, his comments, and her refusal to drop out weeks before she did.

Their only redemption is in what they say at the convention matched with action.

I'm a rank and file Democrat and don't know anyone who'd support a Hillary run in 2012 if Obama loses. Hillary and Bill will be one of the chief reasons he lost - if he does lose.


Or she will be the next Democrat nominee in 2012 if Obama loses.


Will never happen. She won't get the vote of Obama supporters. If anybody is the nominee in 2012 other than Obama it will be Al Gore.

Posted by taxman


I don't know. If McBush wins it will be 12 years of Bush McCain (remember 12 years of Reagan Bush?). I am sure even they will vote for Hillary and there will be no one to save us from her become president. That is a good reason to vote for Obama and to make sure he wins.

They're rerunning the 2007 Biden interview on C-SPAN now.

I'll mention this again. Between the Democratic Convention and December, the neocons have time to engineer another war to help their man. I almost expect something to happen.

if biden is such a great choice, then why are all the talking heads so worried about his foot in mouth tendency, his lobbiest ties, his lies, his....geez

Oops - between Democratic Convention and November.

I'm relieved. I thought Obama was all about "change we can believe in", and was actually concerned that he meant it.

He doesn't. By picking a guy who's been in the Senate for almost as long as I've been alive, by picking a guy who has voted for staggering expansion of the federal government, by picking a guy who voted to invade Iraq, by picking a guy who voted for the Patriot Act--the Obama administration will "change" as much as this Congress had, to the same affect.

Obama has, however, managed to find the one person in American politics who is more self-promotional than Obama himself is. That's quite an accomplishment. As empty as Obama's resume is, he's managed to find a needle in a haystack. And given Obama's predilection to surround himself with very mediocre personalities, he's outdone himself.

-Hillary and Bill will be one of the chief reasons he lost - if he does lose.


Well, we certainly know that it would never be Obama's fault if he lost, according to this kind of nonsense.

Why is it that those with the least to say, say the most?

Look, you self-loathing closet case, either show some historical proof Moses existed or admit you can't.Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-23 12:21 PM

Well, Danforth,
I doubt anybody could PROVE *ANYTHING* to you, least of all me on a blackberry hanging out at the park.

But, for a third time, *look it up yourself.*
The verifiable historical evidence of the Bible is NOT an obscure issue.

I'm enjoying a nice, sunny day outside feeling gay. Not *your* definition, the classical one.

Wonder if Barry is elected, he will move his brother out of that Nairobi slum?...Joe still can't believe that guy from Dunkin Donuts is governor of Louisiana!!

AU--

Wiki says Biden is up for re election--and I heard it on CNN or someplace this morning.

en.wikipedia.org

FF for KingClinton.

FF for Clintonking--;o)

Joe still can't believe that guy from Dunkin Donuts is governor of Louisiana!!


hilarious, i love it.

got here late to the party!

You moonbats just witnessed the last breath of that "hope" and "change" crap, which, to be fair, alomost all of us except Tony Roma knew was just bullshit from the beginning.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-08-23 07:36 AM

Translation: Oh crap! There goes the White House!

Excellent Choice for Obama.

I told you Obama is a political genius. Fishy forgot how to think longterm (like most Americans do). This pick will do no harm and shows that Obama knows how to make Presidential decisions well.

It is his first one.

GObama!

Why is it that those with the least to say, say the most?

Posted by Corky

I don't know. Ask yourself. Hillary LOST a nomination she could have easily won. Was it my fault. Ha ha. Hardly.

Now, why haven't you 20% of Clinton voter PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) people who will vote for McCain against your own interests ponied up under $4 each to retire her campaign debt?

Actions speak louder than deeds.


Funny how Joe Biden voted along with Clinton to authorize force in Iraq, which was a dis-qualifier for Clinton being President, but not for Biden who could become President?

How does that work, other than as a WMH, weapon of mass hypocrisy?

It is going to be fun watching the McCain ads quoting Biden saying that he would run WITH McCain or against him...
Saying they are close personal friends and he asked McCain to run on the same ticket with John Kerry in 2004!

Now he is the root of all evil but four years ago Biden tried to get him to run as VP on the DEMOCRATIC ticket...

The people will be laughing their asses off at Biden while watching THAT interview. I know I did after watching it a half hour ago...

The perfect time to run it will be as his name is placed in nomination as VP in Denver....

Ray,

Fair answer.

I just remember getting the impression that you thought that there is really no democratic voice or power in this country. In other words, elections were a sham and that there is a cabal that runs the show, that essentially puts in power whomever it wants, but maintains the facade of democracy.

It seemed at the time that you you were leaning to a kind of "Illuminati" explanation of the state of the country.

I probably misunderstood.


PAX

Murphy-
I still kinda want your answer from another thread:

Murphy-
What was done to McCain that you would consider torture if it was done to our enemies by us?

(Just one method/tactic, for starters -if you can name one...)

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-22 11:42 PM |

www.drudge.com

I would like to thank you in advance for what I'm sure will be a prompt and thoughtful response.

-people who will vote for McCain

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Again, what an ass.

Funny how Joe Biden voted along with Clinton to authorize force in Iraq, which was a dis-qualifier for Clinton being President, but not for Biden who could become President?

Hillary and Bill's big mouths were her dis-qualifier.

Well, gotta run and watch the next President and Vice President speak.

Funny how Joe Biden voted along with Clinton to authorize force in Iraq, which was a dis-qualifier for Clinton being President, but not for Biden who could become President?
* * * *

It's Okay, because Obama says so. So quit asking so many silly questions, when you already know the answer.

Gutless pick. He should've gone with Jim Webb, or maybe Richardson. Since sewing up the nomination, he's turned into just another pol. Wishy-washy of everything, walking away from people he'd sworn he'd never leave, and embracing people whose Senate votes he should find morally reprehensible.

Change we can believe in. Uh huh.

Betel--

McCain had both arms broken and accounts being beaten most every day. He walks with a limp from being tortured and beaten.

Club Gitmo gets soccer and rice pilaf under mango chicken.

Why are you and others also so quick to put down America? Or take the side of our enemies?

Why even ask this question?


Now back to the cable since the messiah is speaking and I want to see if Joe has a halo ---

Rightisright-
I think he made a good pick. Will McCain select the Democrat or the mormon Grecian Formula(tm) model?

(If he can remember who his choices are, that is)

"Why are you and others also so quick to put down America? Or take the side of our enemies?"

Yeah, that's right Murphy, you McCarthyite.

Murphy-
So, you're saying that breaking the bones of a captive is DEFINITELY torture, no matter who does it?

As to the clowns who keep asking why folks are not putting up the money to retire Hillary's campaign debt, that is an easy question to answer.
Her campaign is not over, merely suspended. When the Superdelegates realize what a loser NOBama is, they might wake up and switch their votes (again) to Hillary and nominate HER for President. Then she can use the funds she has in her Presidential Campaign Fund to pay off the debt. She has enough money, she just can't use it until she is nominated as President.

If she isn't nominated and ends up supporting NOBama, then let him pay off her debts. I'm sure his Nation of Islam Employees as well as Louis Farrakhan will be only too happy to fork over the money to pay off her debts if she swings her delegates to him.

The rest of us will be putting our money on the next President of the USA, John McCain.

PUMA is the correct designation for the men and women who know that the Queen "B" and Screamer Dean submarined Hillary's campaign and they can pay off the debts she incurred because of them.

I just question whether he can bring as many voters as Clinton would have.

Posted by rcade at 2008-08-23 09:10 AM

I bet it was hard decision but Obama was right not to let the Clintons back into the White House. America does NOT need to go through THAT again. We have other things to accomplish right now and we cannot afford to let ourselves be caught up in "vast right wing conspiracies" again.

I believe that is what got us into this mess.

Murphy-
You should think carefully about your answer.

"By picking a guy who's been in the Senate for almost as long as I've been alive..." -Rightisright.

How can somebody who has been alive such a short time (presumably under 40) as RisR be so unbelievably Rightwing always shocks me. He presumably has some oedipal problem of some sort, or born with a sliver something in his mouth.

Only old farts are supposed to be that Rightwing.

Murphy-
I repeat myself, and I hate to do that:

"you're saying that breaking the bones of a captive is DEFINITELY torture, no matter who does it?"


How can somebody who has been alive such a short time (presumably under 40) as RisR be so unbelievably Rightwing always shocks me.

why?

Grendel
In other words, elections were a sham and that there is a cabal that runs the show, that essentially puts in power whomever it wants, but maintains the facade of democracy.

It seemed at the time that you you were leaning to a kind of "Illuminati" explanation of the state of the country.

I probably misunderstood.

The elections ARE a sham. It is IS a facade. I don't buy into the Illuminati explanation without direct proof. I'll call it simply the Washington establishment that limits choice to within bounds favorable to their self interests. You didn't misunderstand me.

Funny how Joe Biden voted along with Clinton to authorize force in Iraq, which was a dis-qualifier for Clinton being President, but not for Biden who could become President?


Obviously that wasn't the real reason then wasn't it?

Murphy-
I'll look for your answer on the appropriate thread, and not jam this thread up any further.

www.drudge.com

Oops

Freudian slip!

he said

The next President!

heh

Eberly -Because I like to think the young are more tolerant and understanding and clear-headed about the world they see around them, less fettered by selfishness and greed.

OK I'm an old liberal idealist. Can't help that.

tolerance, clear-headedness and understanding are NOT any traits displayed by folks on the left on this blog. In fact, there is little of those traits coming from both sides.

but don't think those traits are in any way possesed by lefties.

Betel--what do you think?

Beating and busting bones is torture--If our guys do it--they should be brought to justice--and some have.

And Null-----nevermind.........


No I don't see a halo around Joe...

He should be careful about digging McCain--they'll have ads showing Biden was for McCain before he was against him..

Change we can believe in. Uh huh.

RiR

McCain will be change how?

85% of Americans think we're on the wrong course, so someone who wants to continue in that direction is the right choice?

Uh huh.

Biden is a great choice. Experience, intelligence, and passion.

Insofar as the rightwing smears go, well, given that smearing is their MO, they would have smears for whoever got the nod from Obama. Simple as that.

Also, maybe Biden will help lure the geriatric vote. LOL.

Murphy-
re: "Beating and busting bones is torture--If our guys do it--they should be brought to justice--and some have."

Thank you, at last, for a straight answer. Unfortunately the Bush administration has not ruled out the breaking of bones and has instead argued that to qualify as torture the "intent" must be to inflict pain comparable to organ failure or death, which is why we have "accidentally" beaten several captives to death only to blame the US soldiers as scapegoats, while ignoring the directives and signals from the WH.


The choice of Joe Biden puts lie to the convenient myth from the Obama campaign that one cannot have long experience in Washington, or have voted to authorize force in Iraq, and still be a good Democrat, qualified for high office.


Corky, you sound SO bitter. Please give it a rest. If you honestly are considering supporting anyone other than Obama in November than you will typify in a nutshell why so many liberal Dems are turned off by Hillary.

Murphy-
But, from now, I will only respond to you on this topic on the appropriate thread:

www.drudge.com

This thread is on a different topic, and it's not fair to gum it up with other issues.


Try Q-tips. Maybe your hearing will improve.


www.drudge.com

CORKY

I just donated $50 to Hillary.

If the 3.8 million who say they'll vote for McCain and against their own values won't pay off her debt by God I'll help. They need to send less than $4 each, but would rather bitch and moan.

Biden was the PERFECT pick.

Couple of working class guys picked themselves up by the bootstraps and made the American dream come true for themselves, and now want to help that remain a possibility for millions of fellow Americans.

The choice of Joe Biden puts lie to the convenient myth from the Obama campaign that one cannot have long experience in Washington, or have voted to authorize force in Iraq, and still be a good Democrat, qualified for high office.


Posted by Corky at 2008-08-23 03:34 PM

Is not just that Corky. A lot of Democrats were suckered into supporting the "war".

It's time to leave divisive politics of fear behind us.

The Clinton's are not getting the White House back.

Get over it.

Couple of working class guys picked themselves up by the bootstraps and made the American dream come true for themselves, and now want to help that remain a possibility for millions of fellow Americans.

Career DC politicians?

sorry, no chance.


People who have no ability to argue the point can only say, "Get over it".

If what I said was incorrect, correct it. Or just divert the point, if you can.

The Clinton's are not getting the White House back.


Get over it.

See, this is what is fun about this place. What you guys are seeing in Corky and the way he is behaving is what myself and many other righties see in ALL of you most of the time.

Couple of working class guys picked themselves up by the bootstraps and made the American dream come true for themselves, and now want to help that remain a possibility for millions of fellow Americans.

Working class guys. lololololol

Biden's the 99th richest senator out of 100, Libslayer. But don't let the facts get in the way of your sneer.

Gotta go watch my son play some foooootball!

Later folks..

People who have no ability to argue the point can only say, "Get over it".

If what I said was incorrect, correct it. Or just divert the point, if you can.

Posted by Corky

And yet when I pointed out Penn did a horrible job, Clinton should have won handily, Bill and Hill's comments probably cost her the VP nod, and that the 3.8 million Clinton PUMA's won't even pony up $4 apiece to retire the non-personal part of her campaign debt you posted some quote from Mark Twain about fools as a sneer at me.

You never responded in any meaningful way. Practice what you preach.

Oh, I guess that makes him working class...


I liked what he said about being the 4th in seniority, but only the 44th oldest. He's counting.

RCADE

Righties never let facts get in their way LOL

rcade, on a separate topic, I was disappointed that you allowed the blatantly racist thread posted by Nanc the other day. You should have pulled it out of circulation immediately. That kind of garbage has no place in respectful (or even not so respectful) discourse. The only thing I gleaned from it is how many rightwingers on this site are totally obtuse when it comes to sensitive issues of race.

-You never responded in any meaningful way.

Your inability to comprehend the retorts only proves them out.

I have commented on this choice and it's implications. You want to rehash the past in a light that makes you appear less dim.

Good luck with that.

According to campaign financial disclosures regarding Biden's 'wealth':

"While Huckabee and Gravel reported assets into the six figures, Biden, who has been serving in the Senate since he was 30, told the FEC that his assets were only between $62,000 and $405,000, with liabilities of between $140,000 and $365,000.

His only reported income in 2006, in addition to his $165,000 Senate salary, interests and dividends, was $28,700 for teaching at Widener University in Pennsylvania.

www.cnn.com

"Oh, I guess that makes him working class..."

Well it makes him more working class than John McGolddiger who has more homes than he can count.

See 4:01 post for Biden's 'wealth'.

Wow. A true public servent who's never met with lobbyists and takes the train home to Wilmington, Deleware to be with his family every night.

Poor John-he's gonna spend the rest of the campaign trying to dislodge those seven kitchen tables out of his ass. If he picks McMitt, it'll only be worse for him, especially since Mitt ripped him on economic issues during the primary.

Maybe sphinctorium and his pocket fetus is his best choice, after all.

John does not have very many houses

Biden also does not invest in the stock market to avoid possible conflicts of interest.

LIBSLAYER

McCain had to ask an aide what kind of car McCain drives

Libslayer-
How many houses DOES McCain have? Can anyone answer that with an actual whole number (we know McCain can't)?

Americanunity-
re: McCain had to ask an aide what kind of car McCain drives

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-08-23 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you attacking Cindy?

With Obama's past I think real estate is not a good topic to argue.

Maybe won't please the Clinton crowd, however this is a very functional POTUS & VP.

With Biden's experience in the senate, he is in a good position to make some things happen if his boss gives him the green light, which it looks that he will.

It's gonna be interesting.

Libslayer-
I'll ask again. How many houses does McCain own?

Foam Sword for LIBSLAYER

LOL

Mcsame on Romney and jobs:

McCain sideswiped Romney's credentials as a successful business leader while answering a question about who would best run the nation.

"I think he managed companies and he bought and he sold and sometimes people lost their jobs," McCain said. "That's the nature of that business."

Critics note that Romney's tenure as CEO of the leveraged buyout firm Bain Capital resulted in the loss of thousands of jobs through layoffs and bankruptcies. Romney, the wealthiest candidate in the 2008 presidential race, ran Bain Capital from 1984 to 1999, during which time he earned the bulk of his fortune.

Bain Capital specialized in buying companies in distress and revamping them, often by cutting jobs and closing plants. Some of Bain's purchases became more efficient and successful businesses, while others, loaded with debt from Bain's fees, were forced into bankruptcy, costing more jobs.

I hope McCain chooses Romney. I think the contrast between the tickets at that point will be so stark that any independent in the nation paying attention will recognize it.

What does it matter how many houses he owns. Last time I checked it not against the law to own houses.

Libslayer-
Regarding my question about how many homes McCain owns, surely with your new sword you can give me a whole number from the non-elitist non-out-of-touch straight-talk express.

Right?

-You never responded in any meaningful way. AU

Your inability to comprehend the retorts only proves them out.

I have commented on this choice and it's implications. You want to rehash the past in a light that makes you appear less dim.

Good luck with that.

CORKY

You never 'retorted' my comments on Clinton, you merely responded with yet another juvenile response.

People who have no ability to argue the point can only say, "Get over it".

If what I said was incorrect, correct it. Or just divert the point, if you can.

Posted by Corky

I guess you just don't understand a good RETORT when you see one. I kinda liked it if I do say so myself!

I disemboweled your whole premise with one fell swoop.

"Get over it".

There is nothing you can do now Corky. The Clinton's are not getting the White House. For at least 8 years I hope. They blew it ok?

And for me it is a relief.

Now it is time to move on from all that.

That is what CHANGE is all about.

Time to get on board that train or be left at the station friend.

Again what does it matter...

"Again what does it matter... "

It matters if John McGolddigger is excusing Obama of being an elitist.

Libslayer-
re: "What does it matter how many houses he owns."

Ah, an educational moment! Because he has no clue, and neither do you. And because the man who dumped his children and crippled wife to marry a heiress 20 years his junior has for decades lived off the wealth of his sugar mommy while attempting to portray his opponent as an out of touch elitist.

You figure it out, and get back to me with that number.

"Again what does it matter...."

That McCain has more money and homes than God? I guess you could have asked that before the RNC ran all those attack ads painting Obama as a rich elitist.

But that would have entailed honor and integrity, so you and the RNC passed.

LibSlayer, I believe you already know the answer to your question. Regardless... The reason it matters is that most Americans are struggling to pay a mortgage on one house. Many more are struggling to pay rent. The fact that McCain has no idea how many residences he and his wife owns reflects just how out of touch he is with the economic struggles of ordinary Americans. Duhhhh.

Do Hillary's supporters really think Obama would pick her, after that campaign. Because from Day 1 next Jan. Hillary would be in a arm wrestling match to be President instead of him.

Zed-
I think God probably has more homes. They could be under his wife's name, though. Until we get some solid numbers all the rest is conjecture.

What was that guy's name again? "Libslayer"?

LOL

-I disemboweled your whole premise with one fell swoop

"The choice of Joe Biden puts lie to the convenient myth from the Obama campaign that one cannot have long experience in Washington, or have voted to authorize force in Iraq, and still be a good Democrat, qualified for high office."

You never even addressed it, Delusional Boy.

You know that good lookin' guy you see in the mirror? Someone must be standing behind you.

So if the lawyer who filed the lawsuit in federal court the other day alledging Obama is not legally a U.S. citizen because he was born in Kenya prevails in his court case, does that mean Joe Biden will be running for President instead?

You never even addressed it, Delusional Boy.

You know that good lookin' guy you see in the mirror? Someone must be standing behind you.

Posted by Corky at 2008-08-23 04:27 PM

sheese....apparently you need it spelled out?

let me spells it out fer you.

You are saying Clinton is qualified because of those things you mention and that selecting Joe Biden makes Obama a liar somehow.

I say that you are wrong.

AND you need to get over it!

The Clinton's blew this for themselves. It is called Politics.

She is NOT as qualified as Biden is right now because this election is about Change. Clinton is NOT about Change. Having the Clinton's in the White House will just bring more divisive politics from the past and cause problems for the Democrats and America.

WE DO NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

Obama made a very wise decision.

The first of his Presidency.

Now grow up and get over it. The prize is the White House right now. It is the most important election in a long time!

Focus!


How the heck does one implement "CHANGE" when they select THE ULTIMATE INSIDER as their VEEP???

FACT!!!!!

CC: It's a frivolous lawsuit. If your parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, then you too are a U.S. citizen automatically. The State Department even has special birth certificates for Americans born under those circumstances. I should know. 3 of my kids were born in South America in South American hospitals.

I just heard McCain got a ten point boost!

FACT!

Since Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu this is all a moot point anyway.

I just heard McCain got a ten point boost!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dean

Cialis use doesn't count.

Come on, CC... You don't think this issue would have been dealt with by now?

Plenty of valid reasons to question an Obama presidency.... his nativeborn status is not one of them.

Doesn't Biden have cancer? That seems RISKY!!!

FACT!!!!

"But, for a third time, *look it up yourself.* The verifiable historical evidence of the Bible is NOT an obscure issue."

I HAVE looked it up myself, and there is no scientific or historical evidence Moses ever existed. If you can provide it, fine. If you can't, admit you can't.

It is as simple as this. If you want a socialist Government Vote for Obama
If you want to live under a democratic republic vote for McCain.

It is as simple as this. If you want a socialist Government Vote for Obama
If you want to live under a democratic republic vote for McCain.

===========================

100% AGREED!!!

Ya got THAT right BUB!

FACTOLA!

Good spoofs LIBSLAYER and JAMES DEAN !!!

LOL

Obvious spoofs as no two people could be more wrong more consistently

Funny stuff!

Take it how you will. That is it.

Hey AU!

You dummy! I HATE libbies!

FACT!

en.wikipedia.org

Read it and tell me it is not Obama...

it is not Obama.

Posted by libslayer

Some "slayer". More like a Republican girlie boy.

Nope.. Just like my freedom...

Silly lib, you have to work for that pay check....

"In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term, socialism is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done with the goal of creating a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community."

You dummy! I HATE libbies!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dean

Well, I don't hate James Dean - even though he stupidly got himself decapitated.

Good spoof though!!

Using that definition, Bush is a Marxist.

LTCG and dividends are tax at lower rates than sweat-of-the-brow work.

Not even close....

Ha ha! Not familiar with the Bush tax codes, are you?


Posted by libslayer

Some "slayer". More like a Republican girlie boy.

Posted by nullifidian

Probably still living in his mom's basement. Spending his days playing WoW, hence the word 'slayer'.
BTW, an allowance is not the same thing as a paycheck lib'slayer'.

Tell me he isn't Rush's

Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.

Libslayer that is.

"the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him"

Groomed him? My, getting desperate, aren't we?

"Probably still living in his mom's basement"

That would make me a lib.... I work for a living.

"In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term,"

Hey moron, Marxian socialism is not the only type of socialism. In particular, the DSA is a non-Marxist socialist group, as are the social-democratic styles of European socialism. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

OK Forget the groomed part... Why is he with these people??????????

"That would make me a lib.... I work for a living."

Translation: It's upstairs, and I have to take out the garbage on Tuesdays or I don't get my allowance.

Why does George Obama (Barrak's brother) live in a hut on a dollar a month in Kenya when his brother is a millionaire?

Why does Barrak tell us we need to "help our brothers more than we do today" when he won't???

Why the Hypocrisy????

FACT!

Danforth-
"Libslayer" is just upset that neither he, nor McCain, can figure out how many homes McCain owns. It seriously impacts their attempt to portray a black man born with nothing who didn't dump his crippled wife and abandon his children for a heiress as an out of touch elitist. LOL.

Later, "Libslayer".

I just heard McCain got a ten point boost!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dean at 2008-08-23 04:40 PM

McCain Spam.

rightwingnews.com

Check your point balance you are eligible for the bumper sticker "Mr Poopypants for Prez!".


Danforth-
"Libslayer" is just upset that neither he, nor McCain, can figure out how many homes McCain owns. It seriously impacts their attempt to portray a black man born with nothing who didn't dump his crippled wife and abandon his children for a heiress as an out of touch elitist. LOL.


Later, "Libslayer".

One word. REZKO

Who? Never heard of him.

Are you liberals just fucked in the head, or just the spawn of Satan?

Kuma

Posted by Kuma at 2008-08-23 05:20 PM

Kuma Mad!

Kuma chuck spear at stupid liberals!

Kuma wipe spittle off cheek.

Kuma sigh... Kuma see White House slipping away from Neocons.

Kuma
They don't like paying more. They're the ones with thier hands out...


Who? Never heard of him.

Posted by soheifox
==================

^^^Proof the MSM is liberally biased^^^

FACT!

The story is BURIED!

"One word. REZKO"

Two words: Keating Five.

Three words: How many homes?

I will never forgive Biden for helping put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court.

Biden is great at talking tough but when it comes to action he's too wussy.


all these stupid liberals. Its like they are deaf, blind and stupid all at the same time.

Don't you fuckheads know the more democrats you elect, the more your taxes go up?
....
....
Are you liberals just fucked in the head, or just the spawn of Satan?

Kuma

Posted by Kuma

What a load of unsubstatiated crap.
Under the Obama tax plan the only people whose tax is going up is those making more than 600k a year.

money.cnn.com

What's your problem? Are you afraid your wife won't get tipped as much at the strip club?
The rest of your bullshit post is not worthy of response.

"Who? Never heard of him."


Look it up..

How can somebody who has been alive such a short time (presumably under 40) as RisR be so unbelievably Rightwing always shocks me. He presumably has some oedipal problem of some sort, or born with a sliver something in his mouth.

Only old farts are supposed to be that Rightwing.

Posted by sitdown
* * * *

LMAO. "Unbelievably rightwing". An "oedipal problem". Wow.

Couldn't care less about gay marriage. I think George Bush has been awful. Agnostic on most social issues so near and dear to righties. But unless someone toes the diehard liberal hippie line, they must be either old, or rich, or has some sexual hangup with mommy. Please tell me whom you'll be voting for, so I can know who appeals most to the douchebaggery class.
So far, looks like Obama!

George Obama!

www.telegraph.co.uk

Good job Barrak!

Fact!

Spud really hopes that the guy actually is a Vagina-visioned Clinton hack or an Operation Chaos flunkie cos it's too depressing to think that someone that stupid can actually be teaching kids somewhere.

You finally confirm my growing suspicion that you do not want a Democratic President. Your wording is too similar to the hate the righties spit against Hillary. Your candidat Obama will loose, we will get another 4 years of the same. It is depressing.


Kuma Mad!

Kuma chuck spear at stupid liberals!

Kuma wipe spittle off cheek.

Kuma sigh... Kuma see White House slipping away from Neocons.

Posted by donnerboy

FF!

ABCDEFGHIJ....K

Keating. That him? The one that cost the American taxpayers billions? McCain's buddy-buddy?

KUMA:

"Ugh......librul.....ugh"

LOL

He's also an aggressive campaigner who won't shy from the role of attacking the other side.

I've nothing against agressive campaigning, but I thought there were more people like me who are sick of attacks. I want to hear about the issues, not watch flying mud.

C'est la vie in American politics and most voters, I guess. *sigh*

Posted by goatman

Agreed... but when crunch time arrives they do the attack and smear routines. A lot at stake. Would you like to have the billions that have found their way into GOP pockets in the last 8 years ?

(Who am I to say it doesn't happen in Dem admins too).


George Obama!

www.telegraph.co.uk

Good job Barrak!

Fact!

Posted by James_Dean at 2008-08-23 05:31 PM

NICE!

that has got to qualify you for the McCain Tire Gauge Award!

www.politico.com

True. As much as I like Joe Biden, if I were Barack Obama I would've chosen Hillary Clinton to shore up Democratic support among her voting blocs. It could have been catastrophic to his presidency, given the risks, but Clinton brings more voters to the table.

POSTED BY RCADE

Carolyn obviously got a lot of this smear talking from "true liberal" friends.

George Obama story debunked:

" But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."

The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything."

www.cnn.com

NICE!


that has got to qualify you for the McCain Tire Gauge Award!

www.politico.com

Posted by donnerboy
==================

^^^Doesn't care about the facts that don't fit its agenda^^^

FACTS!

The Anointed One has spoken. If He believes Biden to be the best man for the job, we mustn't question Him. EVER.

Forgive me for my apostasy.

"The Anointed One"

The string continues, unbroken. Hannity seems to feel the same way.

Next false story, James Dean?

FACT !!!!

"The Anointed One has spoken. If He believes Biden to be the best man for the job, we mustn't question Him. EVER."

*Yawn*

"George Obama says he is sure his half-brother will win the U.S. presidency in November."

* * * *

Wow. No need for an election, then. In fact, Obama himself is just as certain.

Quick--get him back on the phone, assuming he has one, and find out who's going to win the Super Bowl.

NULL and DANFORTH

Copy this link. We're gonna need it the next 75 days more than ever:

Bullshit Detector

RiR

I'm proud you read at least part of the linked article debunking the George Obama story touted by your fellow right wingers.

Kudos for effort

(George) Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.

. . . He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."

Obama's half brother sounds like a great guy.

Thanks for the post, AU. More BS debunked. Good for CNN for actually doing the research needed, like they did in the bogus "madrassa" story.

As I said before, if you want to live under a socialist government vote Obama.

It really is that simple....

Are there any liberals here, who think this was a bad pick?

I was truly worried about what a Webb, or a Sebelius, or a Richardson would do. I was in McDonald's having breakfast this morning when Biden came out, I saw the text on the bottom, and thought it was a weak pick. Other cons obviously feel the same. Isn't there a ONE of you who isn't scratching your head? Or do you just swallow whatever Obama feeds you, and not question it?

Gonna be a fun four years, especially as your delusion grows.

I'm a moderate and I think this was a great pick!

Americanunity

What does he bring to the table if they do win? All I hear is how he can throw mud. so say they do win. What does he bring into the white house.

RiR

I will join George Obama in saying I'm sure Sen. Obama will win.

As to making lottery predictions, I'll pass since Alabama is one of the few places in the world that doesn't have one.

"It really is that simple....

Posted by libslayer"

It really is that stupid...

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."

No it's what you work for you can get. not what you want is what you get...

I'm proud you read at least part of the linked article debunking the George Obama story touted by your fellow right wingers.

Kudos for effort

Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

Never even heard of George Obama until five minutes ago. So I couldn't care less what my fellow right wingers say about him.

Feel sorry for the guy who had to track him down, though. "We need to run a nice piece on Barack's half-brother. Send some schmo to Kenya, have him get a picture, and ask him who he thinks is going to win the election. Make sure the picture is an extreme close-up--we don't need anyone to see the squalor the guy is living in."

Kudos for posting the article. I would've thought Obama's family was pissed that their brother was worth nearly three million dollars, and a mere $20 a month sent via Western Union would get them out of crushing poverty. Now I know better, that they "draw inspiration from him", like so many of us who are just privileged to live in the age of Obama.

All I hear is how he can throw mud. so say they do win. What does he bring into the white house.

A. The McCain camp have been the ones throwing mud.
B. Obama brings competence, honesty, lower taxes for the middle class for starters.

Things the Rush/Hannity crowd seem allergic to.

I'm a moderate and I think this was a great pick!

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

I'm a liberal and think it was a great pick because AU (a moderate) thinks it was a great pick.

RiR

God forbid Obama should write two best selling books!

Your hero self admittedly doesn't even read them.

it would be hard to make this stuff up....hahaha

article.nationalreview.com

The fun thing about an Obama-Biden ticket is that the McCain campaign can point to a new awkward comment by Joe Biden either on the importance of experience, in praise of McCain, or in support of invading Iraq that contradicts the stands and qualities of the Democratic nominee for every day from now until Election Day.

On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: The only guy on the other side whos qualified is John McCain.--

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...--

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: Ive been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.--

On Obama:

Assessing Obamas Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany-- of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. Ive seen zero evidence of that.--

Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical albeit in a slightly more backhanded way about Mr. Obama. I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,-- he said. I mean, thats a storybook, man.--

Also from that Observer interview: But and the but was clearly inevitable he doubts whether American voters are going to elect a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate, and added: I dont recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.--

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.--

Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, When this campaign is over, political slogans like experience and change will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.--

September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Bidens critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.


On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: Hes a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.--

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.--

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Husseins WMDs: Well, the point is, it turned out they didnt, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.--

Biden, on Obamas Iraq plan in August 2007: I dont want [my son] going [to Iraq],-- Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. But I tell you what, I dont want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.-- Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. Theres no political point worth my sons life,-- Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. Theres no political point worth anybodys life out there. None.--

Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they dont. The international community says Were going to enforce the sanctions we placed-- or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.--

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out equally a mistake.--

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the Americas this administrations policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and long enough to give political reconciliation, theres been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.--

Biden in October of 2002: We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.--

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number hes going to, into Baghdad, itll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, theres no way to say, Mr. President, stop.--


Not Obama. Biden.

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Husseins WMDs: Well, the point is, it turned out they didnt, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.--

The truth hurts. Ha Ha Ha.

"lower taxes for the middle class for starters."


Ya your taxes will be lower when your out of work.

Your hero self admittedly doesn't even read them.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * *

And who would that be? Winston Churchill has read plenty of books, but is no more. Ronald Reagan read quite a few, and so has my father. But I doubt any of them has read Obama's books.

I don't feel as if I have to either. Obamania is catching on with everyone--who needs a Bible for it? The Audacity of Hope! The Hope of Audacity! WE are the change we've been waiting for! From the slums of Kenya and Chicago, to the mansions of Silicon Valley and Beverly Hills!

And so on.

The weapons inspectors did not say he had them.

They reported that they'd found no evidence of WMD's.

So, what did Bush do? Threw them out and started bombing. Can't have the truth stand in the way of a war planned long before 9/11 now, can we?


U.N.: Iraq had no WMD after 1994
By Bill Nichols, USA TODAY
UNITED NATIONS A report from U.N. weapons inspectors to be released today says they now believe there were no weapons of mass destruction of any significance according to two U.N. diplomats who have seen the document.in Iraq after 1994,

The historical review of inspections in Iraq is the first outside study to confirm the recent conclusion by David Kay, the former U.S. chief inspector, that Iraq had no banned weapons before last year's U.S-led invasion. It also goes further than prewar U.N. reports, which said no weapons had been found but noted that Iraq had not fully accounted for weapons it was known to have had at the end of the Gulf War in 1991.


U.N. Report: Iraq had no WMD's after 1994

No it's what you work for you can get. not what you want is what you get...

POSTED BY LIBSLAYER AT 2008-08-23 05:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

What do you work for?

RiR

You keep repeating the foolish mantras of the right and the rest of us will have an election based on issues.

Your hero self admittedly doesn't even read them.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY
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And who would that be?

RiR

Duh. George W Bush - your hero. God to the NeoCons and financial managers of the 1%.

Who self admittedly doesn't read books.

demgasm over biden but obama will still lose the election. the media today shows blacks beating on white people all the time. what is the media trying to convey? the image resonates with the populace and they're not gonna put the ignorant minority in charge of the majority. obama is also an empty suit who can't speak without the "uh" word and a teleprompter. now he has a half century of political experience in biden. so much for change...

Jesus. After reading this thread I think even less of the right wing, which seemed impossible yesterday.

Are you people really this braindead? I've seen less smoke blown up asses by spin doctors. Socialism! Annointed one! Obama's Brother! Empty suit!

it never fails. The same brainstem deficient talking points over and over and over...

PS- "Clinton BJ" There, I beat one of you pathetically stupid nimrods to it. Sorry.

Oh. I didn't realize Bush was my hero. Somebody else must've been writing all my threads, then. Unless you're a retard, and have confused me with someone else.

I demur, though. And I suppose it's unanimous: on the DR, there is no leftie who doesn't believe that the guy who got 1% of the vote during the primaries is the best veep pick Obama could have made. Isn't that AMAZING? He da best!! LOL.

ok alexandrite, in words even you can understand. obama is stupid. the media made him a darling. hes tomorrows has been. he's going to lose the election and you can't comprehend why.


ok alexandrite, in words even you can understand. obama is stupid. the media made him a darling. hes tomorrows has been. he's going to lose the election and you can't comprehend why.

Posted by outbacker at 2008-08-23 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:


Magna Cum Laude = Stupid?

You're fuckin retarded, outbacker.

RIR- I don't think Biden was the best choice, but he is good. Better than the other people he was speaking with.

If it were me, i'd go with Wesley Clark.


as a nation, we have pandered to the lowest common denominator for decades advancing attitude, stupidity, lack of manners and social skills to levels that aren't deserved. respect is earned, its not automatic.


Thank you for explaining the W Phenomenon. Didja vote for him?

Hillbillyjihad:
"...THAT IS OVER-EDUCTAED!!!"

Something of which you, ma'am, will never be accused.


...and as for James_Dean or Buvia or whatever the hell you call yourself this week, your material isn't even as good as the crap on MTV2. I'm hoping when you finish your sophomore year, you'll enroll in that Creative Writing class.


"Ahmadinejad, the madman, is in competition with mullahs and ayatollahs who think he's overstepped his bounds," Biden told members of a local Kiwanis Club in this early voting state.

Ahmadinejad may be "assassinated, not by the good guys, but by the bad guys," said the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

At a campaign stop Sunday, Biden called Ahmadinejad "that wacko guy, the crazy president," and said he would only be in office for a little more than a year before being "taken out" because he threatened Shia interests.
www.foxnews.com


Biden tells host Chris Wallace in Fox News Channel's "Iran: The Nuclear Threat" airing Sunday night, "To have a despotic theocracy in possession of a nuclear weapon, creates a much bigger danger than having a democratically elected government in control of a nuclear weapon. ... They're much more likely to use it or threaten to use it or attempt to use it for blackmail."

Biden, the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also comments on Iran's stockpile of missiles, capable of delivering nuclear warheads: "It ratchets up everything and makes the neighborhood a hell of a lot more dangerous."

Wallace asks: "You're saying at this point a nuclear Iran is unacceptable?"

"Correct," Biden replies.
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Sounds to me like the Dems want to go to war with Iran. I thought that was only something knuckle-dragging rightwingers want.

From News Services
Monday, June 6, 2005; Page A02

A leading Senate Democrat said yesterday that the United States needs to move toward shutting down the military prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"This has become the greatest propaganda tool that exists for recruiting of terrorists around the world. And it is unnecessary to be in that position," Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) said on ABC's "This Week."
* * * *

Yet here we are. Three years and two months later, with Democratic majorities in both houses. Is Gitmo still open? Or not?

Nothing to worry about, fellow righties. They're all talk, no action. Don't worry about the tax increases--if the libs in Congress are willing to negotiate away FISA, the Patriot Act, the Iraq War timetables, and Gitmo, they don't really have any principles at all. We can buy them off, and we will.

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: Hes a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.--


Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.--


Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Husseins WMDs: Well, the point is, it turned out they didnt, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.--


Impeach Biden. HAHAHA

Two years ago, Ahmadinejad beat former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani in a hard fought presidential election that looked like a triumph for Irans hardliners. But since then, he has shown that he does not know how to run the country. Despite Irans soaring oil revenues, Ahmadinejads economic mismanagement has made the lives of the poor more miserable. His incompetence and xenophobia have frightened off much needed foreign investors, and recently the heads of Irans oil and economic ministries resigned in disgust.

Ahmadinejad is in trouble, and no one could be happier about that than his rival, Rafsanjani. As Ahmadinejads star has fallen, Rafsanjanis has risen. This week, the white-turbaned religious moderate was elected to head Irans Assembly of Experts. That is no honorary post. The 86 members of the Assembly of Experts elect, supervise, and can remove the Supreme Leader, the religious official who sits at the pinnacle of the complex web of government bodies that run Iran.

RiR

Since Biden and Obama have refused to meet with lobbyists while Senators good luck with that.

Bribery seems to be the only tool in the GOP playbook besides slander, innuendo, and outright lies.

Ahmadinejad would have been thrown out years ago had it not been for our poor foreign policy regarding Iran. All we've done is strengthen his position. The rise in oil prices closed the deal. It has been a disaster for U.S. influence.

"Slander, innuendo, and outright lies...."

I have to say these things, while apparently having some effect, don't seem to be as potent as previously.

However, human nature is to intensify a behavior that used to work well for you in hopes the extra effort will make it work well once again.

In this regard, I don't think we've seen the bottom of the racist pit the RNC will try to throw this election into. The racist tripe personages like Limbaugh are already offering up is fairly rank.

The "upside" to the current and anticipated Republican racist meme will be the Black vote lost to the RNC for another full generation.

You are in left field...

ZED

I have the feeling that by and large Americans aren't falling for empty rhetoric and all the other BS the GOP dishes out.

In 2006 here the lines were hundreds of people long in the pouring rain to vote with no one getting out of line.

The GOP shot itself in the foot by continuing to dish out plate after plate of what turned out to be cow patties while claiming it was steak.

Ahmadinejad would have been thrown out years ago had it not been for our poor foreign policy regarding Iran. All we've done is strengthen his position. The rise in oil prices closed the deal. It has been a disaster for U.S. influence.

Posted by YAV

How true, how true!

Had we had a decent president (rather than Cheney) Khatami would have been involved in tamping down the rhetoric from Iran's side.

It was the refusal of Bush to answer Khatami (former moderate President of Iran) that resulted in Ahmadinejad's ascendancy in the first place. It took Khatami 4 or 5 years to convince the Assembly of Experts (Iranian's ruling body) to make overtures to the U.S. When he was rebuffed by Bush/Cheney the hardliners there said, "See? We told you so". Thus the hardliners won the day and Ahmadinejad was put forth as the hardliner's candidate. Had Bush responded Ahmadinejad's Presidency most likely would never have happend

I suppose it's better Obama Is going sit down and talk with Ahmadinejad.

You know we should place him on the same playing field as us.

"Had Bush responded Ahmadinejad's Presidency most likely would never have happend"

So it's Bush fault Ahmadinejad is in power... lololololol thats a reach

Terrific pick on Obama's part. Joe Biden's a solid working class Democrat who's the go-to guy in his party on foreign policy. He's also an aggressive campaigner who won't shy from the role of attacking the other side.

~Rcade

Pretty much THIS.

Obama needs an attack dawg.

Biden fits the bill.

Hold on a sec... Spud hears an annoying mosquito like sound...

Plagarist!

Uh-huh.

That one's lamer than ...well, lamer than John McLame hisself.

Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one

The horror, the horror /snark>

Sorry, you were sayin', oh blog-god?...

I just question whether he can bring as many voters as Clinton would have

That is a good question.

Alternate question, ...how many voters would Hill on the bill repel?

Independents, first time voters who've never known anything but Bush/Clinton, Obamacans?

Hillary has more voters in her pocket, yes, but she also has more baggage and higher unfavorables.

Be Well.

/like he do, entering the DR,
stage left.

Within days, it was also discovered that, while a first year law student at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Though the then-dean of the law school, as well as Biden's former professor, played down the incident of plagiarism, they did find that Biden drew "chunks of heavy legal prose directly from" the article in question. Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course, which was subsequently dropped from his record when he retook the class.

Plagiarist!


Uh-huh, spud. Plagiarist

I don't think Obama Gained anything from Biden. He didnt gain any large amount of votes from the guy. He might have gained a good fighter. But it takes more than that. I think Obama is so arrogant he doesn't think he needs more votes. He thinks it's in the bag. I think he needs to win the south to win the election. I dont see that happening.
Hes so done. This choice killed any hope he had.

"You're in left field...."

I've been listening to Limbaugh and others of his ilk hit the "Negro" (yes, he uses that word) theme frequently over the last several weeks.

What I know about Rush is that if he thinks he bites with racism at that level he'll try for a bit more blood with something worse.

You want the African-American vote at sometime in the future? Stop with the "spade" and "hoe" and "monkey" jokes. Just an idea.

You DO realize you don't get McCain toaster oven points for posting here, right?

Negro is racist????

I guess the worst of it so far has come from Boortz, who has opined Obama never really loved his white (emphasize white) mother. You guys really need to win this badly?

"A Wikipedia editor emailed Political Wire to point out some similarities between Sen. John McCain's speech today on the crisis in Georgia and the Wikipedia article on the country Georgia. Given the closeness of the words and sentence structure, most would consider parts of McCain's speech to be derived directly from Wikipedia.

First instance:

one of the first countries in the world to adopt Christianity as an official religion (Wikipedia)

vs.

one of the world's first nations to adopt Christianity as an official religion (McCain)

Second instance:

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Georgia had a brief period of independence as a Democratic Republic (1918-1921), which was terminated by the Red Army invasion of Georgia. Georgia became part of the Soviet Union in 1922 and regained its independence in 1991. Early post-Soviet years was marked by a civil unrest and economic crisis. (Wikipedia)

vs.

After a brief period of independence following the Russian revolution, the Red Army forced Georgia to join the Soviet Union in 1922. As the Soviet Union crumbled at the end of the Cold War, Georgia regained its independence in 1991, but its early years were marked by instability, corruption, and economic crises. (McCain)"

blogs.cqpolitics.com

Oops!

I live in the South, LIBSLAYER, and I haven't heard "negro" used by anyone since before about 1965.

So, yes---If a right-wing pundit elects to ressurect an antique term associated with segregation I think it's good prima facie evidence he's being consciously racist.

Negro is a term referring to people of Black African ancestry. Prior to the shift in the lexicon of American and worldwide classification of race and ethnicity in the late 1960s, the appellation was accepted as a normal neutral formal term both by those of Black African descent as well as non-African blacks. Now it is often considered an ethnic slur[1][2][3] although the term is considered archaic and is not even common as a racist slur. The term is still used in some contexts for historical reasons such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[4][5]. "Negro" means "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, and the French "noir" as well as the Italian "nero"- all of which derive from the (Latin: niger = "black"). In Italy the word "negro" is still used neutrally by many people.

"Worldwide classification of race...."

That animal has never existed. To be frank, you pulled it out of your heinie.

Negro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Now it is often considered an ethnic slur...."

Indeed. So, are you arguing with me or agreeing with me?

check it your self.......... it is word for word...

United Negro College Fund

so that is racist.....

Negro" means "black"

so thier for Black is racist to...

"Now it is often considered an ethnic slur"

What don't you understand about that, "Slayer"?

LIBSLAYER---It's Wikipedia. Personally, I prefer Bazooka Joe as a reference.

For your edification, the number of "races" classified under various systems has ranged from two to over three-hundred.

Hey you said Black in your Post.. you racist brassard.

I'd say the point is why are your people going there in the first place?

So the United Negro College Fund is racist...

Or is it just racist when a white man says it...

wow..he promotes change and then gets a guy that has been a senator longer than I have been alive as a running mate. Biden's foreign policy experience says volumes about the gaping hole obama in repertoire regarding foreign policy.

1- undesrcores obamas lack of foreign policy experience
2- 2nd in command = more of the same..and OLD too.

well obamanauts..at least he ran for president. I like biden but he a was a bad choice.

I'd say it's racist when you say it, Mr. Lib. I think you would intend it to be such.

Intent has a lot to do with it. Limbaugh "intends" the eighty-year-old woman down the street to remember how she was taught to be frightened of "negroes" as a child.

Now, if you can advance another theory here, have on. Frankly, I think racist fear-mongering covers it.

I'd say the point is why are your people going there in the first place?

The only ones making it a race thing are you people.

Just because some one referred to a black man as a Negro does not make him racist.

"The only people making it a race thing...."

Are at least two right-wing radio commentators. To be fair, Boortz as equal or more contempt for Muslim-Americans.

"I'd say it's racist when you say it, Mr. Lib. I think you would intend it to be such"

Why because I don't like Obama....

By the way My wife is Half Negro.

"Limbaugh "intends" the eighty-year-old woman down the street to remember how she was taught to be frightened of "negroes" as a child."

Show me where he made that statement.... Plus that is not racist.

ZED youre a dumb ass. The fucking definition is right in front of you and you still argue it.....


All I have to say is united Negro fund......


By the way my wife thinks your nuts.......

Biden, who has been serving in the Senate since he was 30, told the FEC that his assets were only between $62,000 and $405,000, with liabilities of between $140,000 and $365,000.

so he doesn't own a house?

"so he doesn't own a house?"

Many fewer than John McGolddigger.

I'm sure he would own at least 2.

Eb

Take it up with the FEC.

FYI He owns one house in Delaware.

By the way My wife is Half Negro.

I'm sure she secretly hates it when you say shit like that.

Frankly, if you can listen to limbaugh for any period of time and NOT view him as racist, I worry for you.

Limbaugh isn't racist, he just thinks that blacks are substandard.

It is so sad that in the 21st century we are still defining people by the color of their skin. You would think that the human race would know better than that by now.

"Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course, which was subsequently dropped from his record when he retook the class."

Plagiarist!

Uh-huh, spud. Plagiarist

~Cookie

Lessee now ...yer side has wrecked the economy, politicisied the DoJ, Launched a pre-emptive war, tried to make torture legal, given mass tax benefits fer the rich and their corporate cronies and on the left? We have a failure to cite in a first year law class that caused McCain to have to re-take the class.

Hmmm, now which is worse?

Besides, yer BFF McCain plagiarises off of Wiki fer Fark's sake and that's when he's not ripping off old Russian short stories in order to suck up to the religious right.

McSame's over-reliance on the word "PoW" in order to garner public sympathy is turning into the same type of mantra that Rudy and Dumbya used when they were going around saying "9/11" every three seconds.

Reality check fer Crookflesh

Yer Warhero McTaint is a plagiariser AND a lying sack of shit.

...And a gold diggin, cheatin', war mongerin', corporately beholden PTSD case.

...And older than dirt.

So there!

G08ama!

Be Well.

Gotta give Biden some kudos. It must be something for him to be on the same ticket as Obama. I mean, an articulate and bright and clean and African-American. That's storybook, man.

By the way, quotation marks aren't necessary, when quoting Biden. I'm sure HE got it from somewhere else.

Negro" means "black"

so thier for Black is racist to...

Posted by libslayer

You refer to 9th grade as your 'senior year'?

If you don't know why I said that.....

Case closed

So Obama basically picked an attack dog... someone who he could put on McCain while Obama prances around the country claiming to be the new voice of American politics... interesting.


So Biden must be really racist to you.

the lobbyist for Georgia works for the McCain campaign, the president of Georgia requested a meeting with Biden, strange isn't it?

does Georgia want a refund from McCain?

I can't wait for the fake plastic debates.

I can't wait for the fake plastic debates.

"You cannot go into a Dunkin Donuts or a 7-Eleven unless you have a slight Indian accent."

Biden

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, thats a storybook, man" Biden

are these racist comments?????????

Biden is a charming fellow, that voted for the war.

Unfortunately, this pick is as strong a "business as usual" statement as Obama could make. Change my ass.

are these racist comments?????????

No. A democrat said it.

"So if the lawyer who filed the lawsuit in federal court the other day alledging Obama is not legally a U.S. citizen because he was born in Kenya prevails in his court case, does that mean Joe Biden will be running for President instead?"

the validity Obama's birth certificate has been confirmed by State of Hawaii, US State Dept, US Senate, State of Illinois, etc

so who shares the following beliefs?:
so the State of Hawaii, which confirmed his birth, is in on the scam
so US State Dept which issued his passport is in on the scam
So State of Illinois, which issued his driver's license is in on the scam
so US Senate which confirmed his citizenzip is in on this scam
so Cook Couny which confirmed his identity is in on the scam
There are so many in on the scam so these people must be very bright to see through all those scams, that is sad

Beyond Dumb! If you don't like Obama don't vote for him, OK. Don't like his ideas, fine, don't vote for him, OK. No need to prove you are an idiot!

There are a helluva lot more people than that involved in the 9/11 conspiracy. Just ask bOoB

"Thanks AU I enjoyed that. Go Al!!!

I wonder if he will still have Pirate Day when he is a Senator, I loved Pirate Day. I wonder if Johnathan Alter and some of the other pundits he used to have on miss their personal theme songs?

Posted by danni "

No dannyboy, but you will get plenty of stuart smalley reruns.

It's just so much more fitting.

Sic'em Joe.

vodpod.com

AMERICANUNITY

Here are some more from your Racist VP Biden

slave state that fought beside the North. Thats only because we couldnt figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way.-- Biden

"Washingtons high minority population is one of the reasons for the citys education problems." Biden

Theres less than one percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than four of five percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what youre dealing with.-- Biden

When you have children coming from dysfunctional homes, when you have children coming from homes where theres no books, where the mother from the time theyre born doesnt talk to them as opposed to the mother in Iowa whos sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts out with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three. Half this education gap exists before the kid steps foot in the classroom,-- Biden

WoW great pick Obama.
He has all of them. Write, Biden, And Farrakhan....

Still think Biden is a good pick.....
If you google search Biden Racist you get over 400 links...

P.S. How's that foam sword now......

OH, but McCain owns houses......

How's that foam sword now......

I don't know.. You tell me

The only thing you've managed to slay today is the English language

Thats all you have.....

Come on... let's talk racist...

"If you google search Biden Racist you get over 400 links.."

That's all? If you search mccain racist you get over 5 million hits.

Nothing to say.... Racist got your tongue or did you just realize your Obama is fucked...

They have him on video about 3/4 of the time making these remarks....

Come on... let's talk racist...

Are you referring to gooks or tar babies?

Not counting the blogs and forums. dumb ass....

5 million hits about McCain's racism

www.google.com

I think Biden was a good, but not the safest, choice. I look forward to Biden kicking some serious ass, or it wasn't worth it.

"5 million hits about McCain's racism"

lib bs. Show me some real proof. I showed you...
I'm sure they are as cut and dry as Biden's comments... if you have any..

Did Biden ever call anyone a gook?

"Show me some real proof."

Read the links yourself, dumbass.

Libslayer?

Hmmm, well Deth is "Lib" Spud.

And you sure "Slay" Spud wif all yer unintentional humour.

Obama's a racist?

Stop. Yer killing Spud over here.

Keep it up.

Here's an idear. Now try telling Spud that the rethugs aint easily the more racist, sexist, intolerant, elitist, and corporately corrupted party.

Start a laff riot, why don't you?

Be Well.

/Going, going gone.

""5 million hits about McCain's racism" lib bs."

Bwahahahaha! Libsucker makes a lame point about Biden, and is quickly bitch-slapped by the comparatives.

I come here for the humor.

Like I said Write, Biden, and Farrakhan... Also the SDA...
your nuts if you think this guy is going to win...

"Also the SDA..."

Oh...those were the folks who groomed him, weren't they?

"John McCain, a member of the House of Representatives in the mid-1980s, often held court at a table near the bar at Bullfeathers, a popular Capitol Hill watering hole, telling jokes and matching hangers-on drink by drink.

As a Capitol Hill chief of staff, I often drank at Bullfeathers and was invited to join the throng at McCain's table one evening. A few minutes listening to the racism, bigotry and homophobia of the Arizona Congressman told me all I needed to know.

McCain loved to tell jokes about lesbians, blacks, Hispanics and the Vietnamese community that occupied a large section of Arlington County, Virginia, just south of the District of Columbia.

Of course, McCain didn't use polite language in the jokes: He used names like "fags" or "queers" or "dykes" or "niggers" or "spics" or "wetbacks" or "gooks."

A typical McCain joke (overheard at Bullfeathers):

Two dykes are talking at a bar and one leaves. As she walks toward the door, the other watches her leave and says out loud: "God, I've love to eat her out."

Two men are standing near by and one turns to the other and says: "I'd like to do the same. Guess that makes me a dyke."

Or another (also overheard at Bullfeathers):

Question: Why does Mexican beer have two "X's" on the label?

Answer: Because wetbacks always need a co-signer."

www.capitolhillblue.com

What's the SDA bit? That's new to me.

"McCain has a documented history of lesbian jokes. He's also come under fire for other jokes about rape.)

Exampe:

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

Because Janet Reno is her father.

Another example:

Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, Where is that marvelous ape?

"What's the SDA bit? "

Probably one of the thousand groups he's worked with over the years, which, of course, makes Obama a socialist in Libsucker's eyes.

all hear say...

At least McCain is able to poke fun at his own advanced age.

Citizens for Life, a New Hampshire group, complained in ads that McCain once referred to the Leisure World senior citizens home as ''Seizure World.''

"The nice thing about Alzheimer's is you get to hide your own Easter eggs," John McCain said to reporters while sitting in his campaign bus.

That dumbass Lib "slayer"--hahahaha--got it wrong. It's actually DSA-- Democratic Socialists of America.

Are people actually arguing with someone over whether or not Biden is more "racist" regarding blacks and minorities when the unnoticed cornerstone of their entire argument thus far has been that the black supremacists are taking over?

Sorry it is the DSA.

BetelG,

Wha?!? You're expecting the lies to actually have some logic attached?

BetelG nice spin...

What does Barack Obama have to do with Seventh Day Adventists?

Lies. watch the video's...

"watch the video's(sic)..."

???

Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

www.youtube.com

Video's of your man Biden... Check youtube you will find the comments...

"Like I said Write, Biden, and Farrakhan... Also the SDA..."

LOL.

I still have no idea what that SDA stuff is all about, but I really love this part -
"Write, Biden, and Farrakhan"

Damn. According to you, Obama hates every race. He must hate himself several times over.

Write, Biden, and Farrakhan

You know Obama's pal's..

BetelG

No he just hates America..

Repetition is not thought, it's reflex.

"Video's(sic) of your man Biden"

Strange...this is all I could find:

www.jedreport.com

www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

Some "libslayer". You're a joke. I'm done with you, junior. Come back when you have some new material.

I guess I missed the leap from 'Biden hates minorities' to someone 'hates America'. I am also still puzzled about this whole SDA conspiracy and how Obama's choice of Biden proves that angry black radicals are taking over.

BetelG

"Repetition is not thought, it's reflex."


Kind of like every thing is bush's fault...
like making personal attacks when you have nothing to respond with.... Or like the word "Change"...

' he just hates America.."

Yeah, we know. And Dems hate America, and Independents hate America, and pretty much everyone hates America who hasn't bought into massive record deficits, gutting the middle class, stagnating wages, the rich getting richer, lousy governance, and a war of aggression.

We get it.

See ya'll in a few.

lololol you will all see when Obama gets owned...


lololol you will all see when Obama gets owned...

Posted by libslayer at 2008-08-24 12:52 AM

demo or repub, theyre all owned.

DANFORTH: "Rich getting richer" Are you refering to Flop Ears four mill last year and Gorrila girls $330k annual salary? Or maybe it is Georgie Boy Soros.

I like how Barry introduced Joe as the next PRESIDENT of the United States. We can only hope!

Our cable was out due to TS Fay, so I had to watch DVD's last night. I decided to watch the final season of West Wing and Oh' my God. The plots are the same. The scripts are the same. Now the characters are the same. Matt Santos and Leo McGarrety are running together again. Charismatic young guy and the old DC war dog. This is going to be fun to watch, but West Wing is still better. At least the characters admit they are actors and that all they are saying is fiction.

"I like how Barry introduced Joe as the next PRESIDENT of the United States. We can only hope!

Posted by CLINTONISKING"

Really? And under exactly what circumstances do you envision that scenario playing out, CiK? What are you suggesting?

Since I live and work in Springfield I went and watched this dog and pony show. There was obvious dismay in parts of the crowd when He said Bidens name. They still all cheered and had that wierd ass hell glassy coat over their eyes. I'm not liking either of the candidates, they seem to be just saying what people want to hear cause when you go look at actuall voting records it gets scary.

Barry picks Biden. This is like candy, but better.

I HAVE looked it up myself, and there is no scientific or historical evidence Moses ever existed. If you can provide it, fine. If you can't, admit you can't.
Posted by Danforth

The sooner the US abandons Middle Eastern beliefs, the sooner we can become the nation we were meant to be.
It's WAY past time to realize we've been played like a cheap violin.

"Christianity is an historical religion--if it's history is all wrong, it's religion is all wrong"

Right On, just check out Dobson's group, they are praying for rain to dampen Obama's acceptance speech, that's why they call them bible thumpers
(or is it Bambi & Thumper)

just wait and see, that stadium will be drenched, sky daddy is mad as hell!

onna

Obama Makes the rain for us. Why Pray...

Libslayer, do you get payed to astroturf by the word or by the post?

"Obama Makes the rain for us. Why Pray..."
maybe you should contact Dobson at "Focus on the Family", they don't seem to know this, maybe if you tell them this, you can save them from praying to skydaddy for naught


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"Libslayer, do you get payed to astroturf by the word or by the post?"

By the word if I have more than 10 words. Min of $25 per post.... This is how I pay for my carbon credits.....

going for weekend of beer drinking and sex....and YES with the opposite sex."


The opposite sex? Are you sure you're a Republican?

Posted by Danforth at


well its after mdnight and it was all a success......lots of good beer and good sex.
damn.......what do you poor married smucks do for fun???????????


ANYWAY.............I am a conservative first and thats my problem with mccain. if he picks one of the pro choice people for vp........its over. the deal will be done for 4 years of liberals in the oval office........(HIDE ALL THE INTERNS)........


and for the life of me I wish I could dislike biden but I cant.........at least nonpolitically.

Bushlover-
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you aren't a "conservative". You're a one issue zealot.

"well its after mdnight and it was all a success......lots of good beer and good sex.
damn.......what do you poor married smucks do for fun???????????


ANYWAY.............I am a conservative first and thats my problem with mccain. if he picks one of the pro choice people for vp........its over. the deal will be done for 4 years of liberals in the oval office........(HIDE ALL THE INTERNS)........

That's a classic post. Carve it in stone.

Let me get this straight, BLT. You went out and got drunk and had sex with something you're not married to, but if McCain chooses a pro-choice candidate it's a deal-breaker for you because you're a "conservative"?


Do I have that right?

BLT?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you aren't a "conservative". You're a one issue zealot.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-


that is totally incorrect........


and yes ......but what does my sex life with other consenting adults have to do with killing babies in the womb......TRUST me......at my age the women I see dont have to worry about contraceptives.....

"....TRUST me......at my age the women I see dont have to worry about contraceptives.....

Posted by bushlovertwo "

Try some Viagra.

what I meant to say is that mccain will lose if he picks a pro choice VP.......I should have said that I will still vote for him because obama is the most liberal senator and now he has with him one of the other most liberal senators.
its all about the supreme court nominees.

BLT-
re: "and yes ......but what does my sex life with other consenting adults have to do with killing babies in the womb....."

In your old fart case, probably nothing.

If you'd just mentioned that you are firing blanks when and if you can get it up, your earlier statements wouldn't have seemed so incredibly stupid, BLT.

Try some Viagra.

Posted by nullifidian


oh you little children.......someday your time will come or NOT.........and its cyalis anyway.....they dont have that bullshit song on the commercial

"because obama is the most liberal senator"

And how did he get that distinction? By voting the same on an issue as McCain.

I've no do