Andrea Mitchell publicly made an allegation without having the goods to back it up. Of course the McCain cried "foul", and so would I under those circumstances. Shame on Mitchell. And shame on NBC for not distancing themselves from her allegation.

News flash:

I accuse Mc Same of evangelical pandering...

NBC and MSNBC have bent over and taken a wide angle lens in the wazoo for Barack. Andrea Mitchell and her unsubstantiated insinuations just complete what Chris "Funny Legs" Matthews and Keith Olbama started, under the guise of 'serious journalism'. Shame on them. How do Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough end up being the voices of reason of that shoddy outfit?

I have to agree that she should have never made the allegation without proof. To do so is Fox News Journalism(?).

How many times have I heard allegations promoted by the Faux News personalities that insinuate a known falsehood?

Oh Lord. Has it finally happened? Does that mosquito known as Cookfish finally have a righteous complaint about the MSM?

Attacking the messenger is SOP for the neo-con thugs.

OOOH, and ANGRY letter! Those have been so effective for the democrats for the last 8 years.

I guess Andrea Mitchell is off the barbecue list, huh? *sniffle* Grow up, McCain.

What the fuck is the matter with these people?

McCain came off well Saturday night, why not celebrate that? But no, let's spend three days whining about Mitchell.

Fools.

Oh Lord. Has it finally happened? Does that mosquito known as Cookfish finally have a righteous complaint about the MSM?

(Translation: I have nothing relevant, funny, or even remotely interesting to say.)

"But he was so prepared."

--Andrea Obamitchell

Translation: I have nothing relevant, funny, or even remotely interesting to say

Posted by cookfish

SELF AWARENESS FLAG

Yeah, andrea mitchell is SUCH an obama sycophant.

You're a tool, cookfish. And not a very sharp one at that.

McCain's been pretty grumpy lately. Maybe he needs another nap.

Andrea Mitchell publicly made an allegation without having the goods to back it up. Of course the McCain cried "foul", and so would I under those circumstances. Shame on Mitchell. And shame on NBC for not distancing themselves from her allegation.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-08-19 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mod,

Are you referring to Andrea Mitchell questioning whether McCain was actually in a cone-of-silence?

If so, she was right. McCain's campaign admitted that he was in his limo.

MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that -- what they're putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

He seemed so well prepared.

Professional unbiased reporting at its best, served up to slobbering idiots who believe any amount of conjecture no matter how vague.

You're a tool, cookfish. And not a very sharp one at that.

Yet another Socrates with yet more drivel and hatred to spout. Tsk tsk. You add nothing, as usual.

Turns out she was accurate, right?

Got an idea, Cook. Just go ahead and whine about this for the next couple months.

Professional unbiased reporting at its best, served up to slobbering idiots who believe any amount of conjecture no matter how vague.

Posted by cookfish

And they spot their panties about Fox. At least Colmes has a handsome neck.

"MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that -- what they're putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama."

Exactly what do you find "biased" about the above?

SHE didn't make any accusation - she reported that the Obama camp was putting that out.

And since it turned out to be true that McCain wasn't in any cone of silence, what's your beef?

"At least Colmes has a handsome neck."

Um. Whatever.

I have no idea if McCain heard part of Obama's questions or not, and think it was stupid for Mitchell to pass along a rumor, but it is true that McCain was not in a "cone of silence", as Rick Warren stated, during Obama's portion of the forum. He was in his limo, and the event was a live braodcast...

SHE didn't make any accusation - she reported that the Obama camp was putting that out.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

With all due respect, what do you think Rush does on a daily basis?

Betelg - she didn't pass along a rumor - she reported what the Obama people were saying.

I mean, God knows I'm no Andrea Mitchell fan, but I fail to see the issue here.

"With all due respect, what do you think Rush does on a daily basis?

Posted by wisgod"

That's not an answer. Based on the quote supplied by Cookie, what did she do wrong?

That's not an answer. Based on the quote supplied by Cookie, what did she do wrong?

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I misread your post. I should know better. You seem to be the voice of reason. My apologies, Sir.

some advice for McCain's camp, it's not good to make enemies of the press, he has been getting a lot of favorable press, many of his gaffs have not been reported. Chinese say "don't bite the hand that feeds you", or was that someone else.

Sanantonio-
She didn't say which "Obama people", which is worse. It was a rumor. What she should have said, if anything, is that McCain was not in a "cone of silence", but was late and in his limo and would have been able to hear the broadcast if he chose to. But that would make her a journalist, which she she and most of the entire landscape of pundits and power-schmoozers most certainly are not.

The fact remains, of course, that McCain was in a position to hear the questions beforehand, and was not in a "blind" room as Warren stated he was.

John McCain September 11, 2001 - August 15, 2008 on pursuing Bin Laden to the Gates of Hell:

Onna-
The McCain camp is working the refs. It's worked before, but there is a tipping point.

Cookfishwrote:
"Yet another Socrates with yet more drivel and hatred to spout. Tsk tsk. You add nothing, as usual."

Dude, that sentence you wrote is YOUR ENTIRE raison d'etre!

I'm seriously asking for your opinion Wis and/or Cookie. She's being accused of biased reporting and I'm not seeing it in what was posted.

She reported that the Obama people were saying McCain wasn't in the cone of silence. That was true - they were and he wasn't.

She reported that the Obama people were saying McCain wasn't in the cone of silence. That was true - they were and he wasn't.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I think you're smarter than that. The forum that she was on, the fact that she clearly represented Obama's camp, etc. Turn it around; has Barry presented proof regarding his Birth Certificate? These are silly pissing contests from both parties in the the midst of a very important election. And the sad thing is, the candidate for change is the same old, same old.

"The forum that she was on, the fact that she clearly represented Obama's camp, etc"

You guys keep saying that, but the facts don't support it. So please, using the quote Cookie provided as proof of her bias, point out to me what is biased.

If she had said something like "it appears that McCain knew the questions in advance", that would certainly indicate bias. She didn't. She reported a fact without commenting on it.

wisgod-
re: "Turn it around; has Barry presented proof regarding his Birth Certificate?"

Yes, and the state of Hawaii backs it up.

The fact does remain that McCain was in a position to hear the broadcast and was not secluded from it as Warren stated.

The fact does remain that McCain was in a position to hear the broadcast and was not secluded from it as Warren stated.

Posted by BetelG

The fact remains that you can't prove he did hear it.

She reported a fact without commenting on it.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

At the time she reported it, did someone admit that ole John wasn't in the cone? If not, why would she bring it up?

Dear Andrea--

It appears your problem is that you and your collegues are in the tank for Obama. As such, you cannot grasp the true reality that Mr. Obama is a farce, a quack and not the messiah.

You see, the theme and topics of the night were given to both candidates. Mr. Warren even gave your messiah two of the questions.

The problem is that Mr. Obama has no core belief system. He is 47 and being a community activist and state legislator did not prepare him to be POTUS. Or answer many of the questions put forth at the Faith Forum. He is not and has never been a thinker.

On the other hand, Mr. McCain did surprisingly well because, well, he's older than dirt, and really does have a sense of his core beliefs because he has been living them since Moby Dick was a minnow.

Sincerely--

The Rest of US

"The fact remains that you can't prove he did hear it."

And the fact remains he wasn't where he agreed he'd be. Instead of being in a place where he couldn't possibly hear the questions, he was in a place where he could, despite the big deal made out of the "cone of silence". Then when asked a direct question about it, McCain purposefully misled the host and the American public instead of setting the record straight. Those are the facts, as already admitted by the involved parties.

Any suspicion was brought on by McCain's actions, not Mitchell's reporting.

"At the time she reported it, did someone admit that ole John wasn't in the cone? If not, why would she bring it up?"

Wis - go back and read the quote again. She didn't just "bring it up" - she was reporting that the Obama people were putting that out.

Murph was half-right.

McCain is older than dirt.

But his core beliefs have the shelf life of mayonnaise at a picnic. In Phoenix. In August.

Q. WELCOME BACK TO THE SADDLEBACK CIVIL FORUM ON THE PRESIDENCY AND WELCOME SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN.
NOW MY FIRST QUESTION, WAS THE CONE OF SILENCE COMFORTABLE THAT YOU WERE IN JUST NOW?

A. I WAS TRYING TO HEAR THROUGH THE WALL.

Any suspicion was brought on by McCain's actions, not Mitchell's reporting.

And Warren's only fallback was "I trust him."

That after he'd already been lied to by McCain. Fool.

At the time she reported it, did someone admit that ole John wasn't in the cone? If not, why would she bring it up?

The Press witnessed McCain's arrival - a good 30 minutes after Obama had started answering the same questions McCain would soon be answering. CNN's reported his late arrival.

"He is not and has never been a thinker."

Murphy-
When you parrot Rush Limbaugh word for word, it's difficult to take you seriously.

What does strike me about Limbaugh's tack against Obama is that it is almost precisely what got him fired from his sportscaster job: The media is propping up a black quarterback (and everyone knows that "they" aren't up to the task. I mean, sure they can run fast, but...)

"At the time she reported it, did someone admit that ole John wasn't in the cone?"

Reporters often report that way when the source insists on anonymity. Regardless, the proof is in the pudding; it ultimately proved true.

really does have a sense of his core beliefs because he has been living them since Moby Dick was a minnow.

MURPHY

BWAAAAAAAAAH

He's changed every position he once held.

According to his revamped definition of torture (and the GOP's) he was not tortured in Vietnam.

At least you have somewhere to recite BS - as if you're changing anyone's mind LOL

Happy changing the CA results!! PS McCain is running behind this 'inexperienced empty suit' as he has been.

"Limbaugh's tack against Obama is that it is almost precisely what got him fired from his sportscaster job"

I have to admit I was stunned when Limbaugh said Obama was another McNabb.

The other funny thing is that you lefties can't leave his age out of a single issue. But you won't grant John a Mulligen in this case when facing the 40 year old, Chosen One.

Mulligen=Mulligan.
Sorry Dan4th.

translation: the corporate media isn't sucking Mcdouchebags balls enough...

Maybe his age is one of the issues.

Danforth-
re: "I have to admit I was stunned when Limbaugh said Obama was another McNabb."

His audience doesn't seem to get it. (Actually, I think they do)

Maybe his age is one of the issues.

Posted by TedBaxter

No doubt it is. So is lack of experience.

I am still trying to picture the "cone of silence" as depicted in Get Smart at the church.

The rules were that the candidates would not know the exact questions--only the themes. McCain and Obama agreed not to hear the other talk or the questions ahead of time.

Obama was given TWO of the questions and McCain was given ONE question.

McCain was answering his questions so clearly without the million or so umms um uhh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh --like Obama-- that McCain got extra questions--that were NOT asked of Obama. And he answered those questions clearly--what's your sorry excuse for that?

Good grief Charlie Brown.

Obama answered as best he could--Mitchell is amazed that Obama sounded soooo "nuanced" with his umm and errrsss.

She was insinuating that McCain cheated and knew the questions.

She was wrong and can't get over how bad Obama sounds on an interview.

Well--get used to it--He sounds like this in every interview--without the script or teleprompter he sounds awful.

Murphy-
re: "But you won't grant John a Mulligen in this case when facing the 40 year old..."

How many mulligans should McCain get as president? (should we start counting after he goes off half-cocked and starts a war with Russia? Maybe five years into that world war he will tepidly promote a "surge" to make things all better...)

Wis

Glad to see you've finally come around.

McCain's too old, has no principles that survive more than a day or two, and has no experience as CiC. Very little experience in war, for that matter.

Welcome.

Murphy-
re: "But you won't grant John a Mulligen in this case when facing the 40 year old..."
Posted by Boyd

I posted that you fool.

Murphy-
As Limbaugh said, do you think Obama, as the "affirmative action candidate", is another McNabb?

OK, I give up. You all want to accuse Mitchell of bias in her report, yet despite repeated requests, not one of you can point out where the bias is.

Betel--not my post you cited--

AU--

Core beliefs for the questions asked at the Forum--They were easy for McCain--rights for the baby, judges, evil, moral regret, most difficult decision,

All these questions were a no brainer for McCain.

You guys don't pay attention to McCain at his townhall meetings.

He does pretty good. He should stay away from teleprompters--he's awful--remember that green screen? Ugh!

I sent him an email he should do his convention speech as a townhall meeting. I heard this from someone (can't remember....??)

I think it's a great idea.

wisgod-
Okay:

Wisgod:

re: "But you won't grant John a Mulligen in this case when facing the 40 year old..."

How many mulligans should McCain get as president? (should we start counting after he goes off half-cocked and starts a war with Russia? Maybe five years into that world war he will tepidly promote a "surge" to make things all better...)

Sincerely, BetelG

Welcome.

Posted by TedBaxter

I'm glad you stopped there. You have made your own arguement against the Chosen One. Age is a liability. Too old, too young.

"The other funny thing is that you lefties can't leave his age out of a single issue."

The problem is he can't leave his age out of any freakin' answer.

Murphy-
re: "Core beliefs for the questions asked at the Forum--They were easy for McCain--rights for the baby, judges, evil, moral regret, most difficult decision,

All these questions were a no brainer for McCain."

Yes they were, which played well to the target audience.

I'd like to stay here all night, but bedtime calls. I will say this, you have all been very cordial in this debate. And for that, I wish you all a goodnight.

You're right, Murphy. McCain did pretty well.

So why not build on that, rather than bitch and moan about some reporter?

Can it be you're less than thrilled with your choice?

She was insinuating that McCain cheated and knew the questions....

I thought the issue was whether or not McCain could hear Obama's answers to the questions. Was he? If McCain could hear Obama's answers it was a definite unfair advantage to him.

I meant to say "could he." Could McCain hear Obama's answers to the questions? Yes or no?

"At the moment of conception", for instance, was a shibboleth intended just for you and the others. You've finally whipped him into shape. McCain no longer is vehemently against Bush's tax cuts; he's for them until the end of time (even with exploding debt and a tanking dollar); he's said he would now vote against his own immigration bill, and he's snuggling up to the followers of the "agents of intolerance" (you, et al). You've done whipped the life out of this man, and he is begging for your vote.

Here is the affirmative action comments by Rush--

MURPHY

Abortion may be at the top of some people's lists, but it's not even on the list of issues that American's view as important this election.

McCain's losing every category of the ones that do.

That is why he will lose this election.

Once a maverick - now a panderer to the 'base' of the GOP

"She was insinuating that McCain cheated and knew the questions."

NO she wasn't. Go back and read it again. She was reporting what the Obama people were saying. She reported it without comment.

What is so difficult to understand about that.

You might not like Andrea Mitchell - I don't. But there was no bias in the quote cited here on her reporting.

Murphy-
Yeah. Your link makes it better (lol).

Obama is "not a thinker", though he can mimic, and blacks can't be quarterbacks, as everyone knows. They are suited, like Obama, to taking directions and running fast, but there has to be someone (Limbaugh mentions this frequently, but never says who Obama's puppetmaster is) behind the guy to direct him:like a white quarterback.

You really should wonder why you eat this stuff up without thinking about the clear as day subtext, Murphy.

CC--

First--McCain and the campaign did get there 30 mintues into the Obama hour. He was then put in some room (or stayed in the car??)

The point is that McCain says he did not listen to Obama--the rules were followed by McCain not to hear the questions.

Second--

It is not important if McCain could hear Obama's "Answers".

McCain and Obama would never have the same answers to the questions asked at the Forum.

These guys are different as night and day--and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.

There are stark differences with conservatives and liberals. The contrasts are always there.

As we get closer and the debates are done--you will see the differences even clearer.

The only thing they agreed on was merit pay for teachers.

Murphy

What month have they scheduled the debates? Do you know?

(BTW, Murphy, Limbaugh's references to Obama as the "affirmative action candidate" are not confined to one day or one "point". It's an ongoing theme of his. Take a good long look.)

"The point is that McCain says he did not listen to Obama--the rules were followed by McCain not to hear the questions."

If you read the statement from the McCain campaign it is very carefully worded to limit the disclaimer to McCain himself not listening to the broadcast.

It doesn't preclude his aides listening, then coaching him. I'm not saying it happened - I hope it didn't. But it is possible.

It is not important if McCain could hear Obama's "Answers".

Of course not. It's the questions that were important. The specific questions, not the general themes, which were more or less known by each candidate in advance.

"It is not important if McCain could hear Obama's "Answers"."

You're joking, right?

Please say you're joking.

Betel--

They are suited, like Obama, to taking directions and running fast, but there has to be someone (Limbaugh mentions this frequently, but never says who Obama's puppetmaster is) behind the guy to direct him:like a white quarterback per Betel--

Rush never said what you posted.

Those are your words.

BTW--McCain has a 25 year record on pro life issues for babies.

The problem with Obama is that he thinks it's peachy to kill the baby coming down the birth canal. He is so far to the left--he can't even figure out when a baby has rights! It's above his friggin pay grade and his intelligence for that matter.

Like I said on another thread--even Buffalo Bob admits that babies are human once they are born.

Obama says no--I don't know--umm uhh er er um duh!

what they're putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

He seemed so well prepared.

The phrase "He seemed so well prepared" is a dig by Andrea that McCain had to know the questions because the man answered forthright.

Sanantonio-
re: "I'm not saying it happened - I hope it didn't. But it is possible."

It couldn't be. McCain's camp has responded that it's ludicrous to even think that, because McCain was a POW, and therefore would only cheat on his wife (Okay, so that's a paraphrase)

Please say you're joking.

Posted by Danforth

Oh no.

She's dead serious.

"Obama says no--I don't know--umm uhh er er um duh!"

Yeah, but he didn't abandon his sick wife for a rich trollop, did he?

Here's John McCain on hunting Bin Laden through the 'Gates of Hell' Sept 11, 2001 - Saturday night:

Murphy-
EVERY DAMNED DAY Limbaugh pushes these memes:

1. Obama is not a thinker

2. He learns rote facts well but has no mind of his own

3. He's a vehicle for someone or some group in the background directing him

Listen and think, and don't just react with your gut next time you turn on the radio, please.

"It is not important if McCain could hear Obama's "Answers"."

You're joking, right?

Please say you're joking.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-19 11:14 PM

I was responding to CC--

Did you read my post why it's not important for McCain to hear Obama's answers?

These guys are going to be 3 debates--2 in September-- 1 in October and 1 in October for the VP picks.

You are going to see McCain answering and Obama answering and their answers are going to be totally different.

This is not the primaries where the Dems all sounded the same. Hillary was kicking his butt in the debates there too.

Why do you think Obama cancelled doing 10 townhall meetings with McCain? He would have been crushed.

Murphy-
re: "Why do you think Obama cancelled doing 10 townhall meetings with McCain?"

How could he cancel them when they were never scheduled?

That's the way she heard it on the radio.

Hey AU, lose the empty paragraphs, ok?

"Why do you think Obama cancelled doing 10 townhall meetings with McCain?"

When, exactly, were they scheduled, other than in your and McCain's minds?

"Did you read my post why it's not important for McCain to hear Obama's answers?"

Do you realize what a fraud it would be if McCain heard the answers in a forum promoted on the concept McCain couldn't hear the answers?

Cyberspace is empty - just like McCain's statements on hunting down Bin Laden.

But, since you asked so nicely, sure....no problem

Murphy-
If it were just Obama that Limbaugh handled in this precise way, I would give him a pass, but he did precisely the same thing with McNabb.

It's grotesque, and glaringly obvious what game Limbaugh is playing.

How could he cancel them when they were never scheduled?
Idunno...cuz he was/is too skeered to accept the challange? Because he's a mole for the communist left? Sounds plausible to me....

"Because he's a mole for the communist left? "

Yeah, that's plausible, moron.

American Unity-
McCain thought the gates of hell were in Iraq, but since they might be in Pakistan, well, there are territorial issues and Pakistan is a sovereign nation and let's not get carried away...

Did Rush really mention McNabb by name recently?

Dan--dont' you mean if he heard the QUESTIONS???

They won't answer the questions the same--do you not see the differences between liberals and conservatives will not ever answer a majority of the questions--any questions the same.

Why would it matter to hear Obama's answers?

Mccain and Obama will 99% of the time have different answers to any given question.

And if you yahoos would recall--Obama first agreed to meeting with Mccain for 10 townhall meetings over the summer.

Then he flipped and said never mind.

American1st-

re: "communist left""

How old are you? Let me rephrase that, as it sounded crude: what year model is your RASCALtm?

TEDBaxter-
re: Did Rush really mention McNabb by name recently?

Oh yeah. He brings it up and so do his callers. He has absolutely no sense about the matter.

"Did Rush really mention McNabb by name recently?"

Oh, yeah.

Unbelievable.

He must feel invincible.

Dan--your link was denied.

He must feel invincible.

Thast's not hard to do when you're right.

"He must feel invincible."

$400 mil will do that to ya.

Thast's not hard to do when you're right.

ho ho

Dan--I replied to your joke comment.

"Dan--your link was denied."

Sorry...click on "McNabb-Obama Connection", the 3rd listing.

Obama's not a thinker --He is an empty suit.

What's the difference?

Someone is behind his campaign--besides Axelrod and his packaging expertise.

He wants to change DC--change the country--

To What???

His ideas are bygone days of Carter that have been tried and failed.

Here is the explaination for the McNabb and Obama comparison.

You can disagree--no problem--but the point is there.

"Obama's not a thinker --He is an empty suit."

Perhaps, but at least he didn't abandon a sick wife for a rich trollop.

Murphy-
re: "Someone is behind his campaign-"

Would you like to name who that is, as Limbaugh doesn't seem to ever say (but of course it must be true, because Obama is not a "thinker" and must have a puppetmaster- he's an affirmative action candidate, after all, and is propped up by the media because he is black) ?

Murphy-
re: "Someone is behind his campaign--besides Axelrod and his packaging expertise."

Seriously. Since a black candidate can't quarterback, much less coach, his team.

Who is this mythical "someone" you and Limbaugh talk about without ever naming?

"Why would it matter to hear Obama's answers?"

McCain hearing anything of Obama's which happened before he walked out makes it all a fraud, considering all the hoopla about the "cone".

Danforth-
You forget that the US Secret Service were given instructions to enforce Warren's Rules of Order, LOL. So are you impugning those who put their lives on the line to protect our republic? Well? ARE YOU?

Warren's Rules of Order?

I must have missed that day of class.

he's an affirmative action candidate, after all, and is propped up by the media because he is black) ?

Posted by BetelG

Looks as if you're starting to get it...

Murphy-
If you are searching through Limbaugh's site for answers to the question of who Obama's puppetmasters are, I can assure you that he is never explicit about it. There's much innuendo and blather, but he ultimately leaves it to your rancid imagination.

Which is why I asked you.

Americanfirst-
By what affirmative action were you taught to use italics?

HAha! Typo, BetelG...ya got me!

Misplaced closing tags...

Warren's Rules of Order?

I must have missed that day of class.

That was the day afte Robert was there...

"That was the day after Robert was there..."

Whew! I remember that day; I learned a lot.

Haha! Funny, Danforth...

From limbaughs site:

Overrated: Barack O'McNabb

I can't believe what a racist, misogynist, drug addled fat douchebag this fucker is.

He get's a huge 400 million dollar contract,(clear channel blows) and now we'll NEVER be rid of this asshole.

No point in boycotting his sponsors. None.

Obama puppetmasters--

Let's see the media, NARAL, the Daley Machine and your fellow marxists...there are more no doubt..

Would you like to name who that is, as Limbaugh doesn't seem to ever say (but of course it must be true, because Obama is not a "thinker" and must have a puppetmaster- he's an affirmative action candidate, after all, and is propped up by the media because he is black) ?

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-19 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

George Soros!

-Bill O'Shitstain.

and your fellow marxists

I hate you people, I really do.

All this Marxist/socialist/commie SHIT. The communists you should be worried about(you know, the ones that exist) are buying up the debt that Boy Blunder is running up in Iraq. CHINA!

W has done more to appease communist china than Alger Hiss did for the soviets.

I Thought a reference to politics in the late 40's/early 50's might get the attention of you stupid fucking dinosaurs...

He get's a huge 400 million dollar contract,(clear channel blows) and now we'll NEVER be rid of this asshole.

Rumor has it, Alex, that Rush declined an even half-bil just to piss you off, personally. From where I'm looking at, it was money well spent!

Murphy-
re: "Let's see the media, NARAL, the Daley Machine and your fellow marxists...there are more no doubt.."

So, in other words, everyone phantom you hate at the moment. I guess Limbaugh has succeeded by allowing his listeners to fill in the blanks with their own peculiar hatreds on top of their racial animus. He truly is a great entertainer.

Alger Hiss was the hero for Hillary--it's in her book...

And BB had help from the rest of Congress--in fact, they hold the purse...

And the Repubs screwed up royally for over spending.

McCain is a penny pincher--no more pork.

No more 3 million for studying Bear DNA in MT.

Would you like to name who that is, as Limbaugh doesn't seem to ever say (but of course it must be true, because Obama is not a "thinker" and must have a puppetmaster- he's an affirmative action candidate, after all, and is propped up by the media because he is black) ?

Posted by BetelG at 2008-08-19 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The AA comment stems from the fact that he's gained the Dem nomination and has done so with an absolutely pathetic resume. What Limbaugh is doing is echoing a theme laid out by Geraldine Ferraro during a radio interview.

Now, to Obama's credit, he had some other things going for him:

1. He's a gifted speaker when orating a prepared script.
2. He's very charismatic and has packaged himself very well in an era where style oftentimes trumps substance.
3. He and his team ran a brilliant campaign strategy and his Dem, front-runner competitors were pretty weak. HRC was formidable, but her team I believe under-estimated Obama until it was too late.
4. He's likeable and came off as sincere and different (I am not talking about his being black, but his appearance of being above it all) earlier in the campaign season.

Now, would he be where he is were his skin color different? I don't know and this is an impossible one to handle definitively as we don't have a white, Obama clone. I'd say the nearest we have to a white Obama is John Edwards - a lot of similarities between the 2.

I find your outrage to be very selective though. If you had consternation over Obama's race-baiting, I never came accross you saying so. I certainly have never witntessed you getting huffy over blatant comments about Bush's puppet-masters, why you construe similar (and tamer) comments about Obama as racist is beyond me.

MURPHY

I hate to tell ya but 'pork' did not cause $4.5 TRILLION dollars in debt.

Totally eliminate 'pork' and you've reduced the budget 1% tops.

Here's a link to what I am referring to when I mention Obama's race-baiting.

Oops.

Here it is:

"And the Repubs screwed up royally for over spending."

Bummer.

Your children and grandchildren will have plenty of time to think about that as they struggle to pay off W's debt as they rail against marxists, NARAL, libs and "affirmative action candidates" (ie, blacks) as the cause for all their woes.

Your children and grandchildren will have plenty of time to think about that as they struggle to pay off W's debt

The Republican party has lost any claim to being the party of fiscal conservatism.

"And the Repubs screwed up royally for over spending."

And/or undertaxing.

"McCain is a penny pincher--no more pork."

What does it matter if he's going to reduce revenue further despite record deficit budgets? McCain believes we should make permanent a law which eliminates a tax which only effects multi-millionaires and billionaires. Even if we have to borrow more to do it.

with an absolutely pathetic resume.

His resume is far more impressive than Bush's. He's achieved more with less connections than our current POTUS you voted for twice, jeff.

So blow it out your ass.

JEFF

Fiscal conservatism and national security were the GOP's claim to fame.

Well, we know on the fiscal side they've been horrendous, but our intelligence services have concluded Bush and Co's actions - including invading Iraq - have made us LESS safe.

So, just what is it that the GOP can run on now?

So, just what is it that the GOP can run on now?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-08-20 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

The usual. Smear, fears, and queers.

"Let's see the media, NARAL, the Daley Machine and your fellow marxists...there are more no doubt..

Posted by MURPHY "

Shit for brains flag.

His resume is far more impressive than Bush's.

Governor and head of a company are WAY more analogous to the strictures of POTUS than Community organizer and state senator.

Blow it out your own ass.

JeffJ-
re: "What Limbaugh is doing is echoing a theme laid out by Geraldine Ferraro during a radio interview"

Oh. I get it now. He's just repeating what a Democrat kinda said.

Tell me who is directing Obama, for according to Limbaugh, someone is quarterbacking and coaching him.

But he never says who.

"The Republican party has lost any claim to being the party of fiscal conservatives."

Or any claim on any fiscal sense, after the five largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time.

So, just what is it that the GOP can run on now?

Admittedly, not much.

Thanks for the honesty, JEFF

Extra order of Skordalia for you to go with the Saganaki and bread. OPA !!

Jeff J-
re: "head of a company"

And even with daddy's friends funding it, how did El Busto turn out? (pretty much like the economy he managed to grind into a dry well?)

Oh please, jeff.

Bush killed companies for a hobby. Had his father not been the head of the CIA and a legacy/skull crossbones guy...he'd be working a burger joint as an alcoholic.

You know it, I know it...and he does too.

Obama started out without a pot to piss in, now he's a POTUS nominee. Bush traded sammy sousa and almost single handedly wrecked our country for 8 years.

He's just repeating what a Democrat kinda said.

Nice revisionism. She didn't 'kinda' say anything. She was very specific.

Tell me who is directing Obama, for according to Limbaugh, someone is quarterbacking and coaching him.

The same people who are quarterbacking and coaching McCain - his advisors.

Now that I've answered your questions, per usual; kindly address my comments to you about what appears to be your selective outrage regarding Obama's race-baiting and far more insipid comments about Bush's handlers and how that isn't racist but to suggest that Obama has handlers of his own IS racist.

Where's the link to Hillary's quote?

FreeRepublic "I heard she said...." doesn't count.

Jeff- "did I mention he's black" is the best you can do for race-baiting?

The guys been hearing shit like that forever. From losers like "take the bone out of your nose" Limbaugh.

"more analogous to the strictures of POTUS"

But that wasn't the barometer; it was resume, and Editor of the HLR, Law Professor, State Senator, and US Senator trumps Governor and running a handful of businesses into the ground.

If anyone can tell me how the economic policies McCain is currently pushing differ from Bush's failed policies, I'd be eager to learn it.

Bush killed companies for a hobby. Had his father not been the head of the CIA and a legacy/skull crossbones guy...he'd be working a burger joint as an alcoholic.

You know it, I know it...and he does too.

That is every bit as speculative as saying that Obama wouldn't have gotten this far were he not black.

When I say Obama's resume is weak, I mean it from gaining experience that is applicable to the job of president.

You know precisely what I am talking about, so quit trying to move the goalposts.

"did I mention he's black" is the best you can do for race-baiting?

That's precisely what it was.

But that wasn't the barometer; it was resume, and Editor of the HLR, Law Professor, State Senator, and US Senator trumps Governor and running a handful of businesses into the ground.

A bunch of low-level jobs vs a bunch of executive level jobs?

That's like saying a successful, entry-level manager is more qualified for the CEO position of a Fortune 5 company, based on experience, than a CEO of Fortune 100 company who hasn't performed particularly well.

When I say Obama's resume is weak, I mean it from gaining experience that is applicable to the job of president.

Duh.

I'd trust a college prof and community organizer over a failed businessman or lifelong senator any day of the week.

Gotta run - I'll check back in the AM.

Jeff J-
re" kindly address my comments to you about what appears to be your selective outrage regarding Obama's race-baiting "

Sure. The #1 radio personality in the nation claims that Obama is the "affirmative action candidate", isn't a "thinker", and must be fed lines by someone smarter than him because he's "just a vessel" propped up by the media exactly like a black quarterback.

But Obama has "played the race card"!

Fuckin' please!

A law professor is a low level job?

Bush's "executive experience" was GONZALES reviewing death row inmates and putting them all to death. Naps and fucking tetris.

The poster boy for Evolution, goes into Saddleback without a prepared script, and fucks it up! Resolution, let the word go out, throughout the Realm, 'The king has no clue'!

Obama screwed it up cause he couldn't read from a teleprompter! It really doesn't matter how this is spun, it WAS terrible!

This IS McCain's arena, exactly like a Town Hall meeting, only difference, just one person asking the questions.

They should have kept Obama out of this! It bodes exceptionally bad for him, having three or four Town Hall meetings, this being his best/only performance in this format! Get him ready! Or lose it in the last few weeks!

You guys are really good, coming off the title story to bitch about Limbaugh. WOW, impressive, really! That $400M has got you by the nuggies, huh? Give the man more press here than he would ever get on TV, or in print. Worth another two or three hundred Mil the next time, thank you, for your efforts on his behalf! See you at the BANK!

Dogen-
To back off a bit from the hysteria, McCain stated that life begins at conception and that he would govern/appoint/nominate with that in the forefront of his mind.

Do you think that abortions should be illegal, under the fiat of the federal gov't, and with punishment for doctors and women along the legal lines of those currently reserved for murderers?

Where's DOGEN? He was here just a moment ago....

It's clear that I'll get no answer to that question, so I bid you all farewell till the dewy morn.

Do you think that abortions should be illegal, under the fiat of the federal gov't, and with punishment for doctors and women along the legal lines of those currently reserved for murderers?

Roe will never be overturned, regardless of how poorly it was adjudicated in 1973.

The only justice on this court who I could see setting aside Starre Decisis to overturn it based upon the original ruling being so constitutionally unsound would be Clarence Thomas.

"Roe will never be overturned, regardless of how poorly it was adjudicated in 1973."

Agreed. That being said, why vote for someone based on this issue? Sympatico?

Roe may not be overturned but it could go back to the States to decide.

In addition, we can see the abortion atrocity lessened with the laws by states to ban partial birth abortion and even abortions during the 2nd trimester.

Then the IL laws that Obama failed to vote for the Born Alive Infant Protection Law--that still had the health of the mother considered--can be put into law the protection of the baby who survives an aboriton.

Judges are important--and obviously not just for this issue.

We almost lost the right to bear arms--Kelo is over reaching by the court for property rights. Who knows what the court will do if there is another liberal put on the court for issues in the future.

went right to the end so I dont know if someone else already posted this but an article in the WASHINGTON POST has documented that barrywayne hussein has been in the papers and media MUCH more than mccain.....to the tune of almost 8 to 1 or something like that.
anyone else see that report.

Murph,

"Roe may not be overturned but it could go back to the States to decide."

Again...was this not something the congress from 2001-2006 could have enacted...sending it back to the individual states?
It was a clear republican majority in congress...Bush in the White House...a conservative majority in the SCOTUS...no excuses. They don't care and for the right to think they do is very sad. You guys are being played EVERY election cycle and you dance just as you are told.

"McCain Camp Accuses NBC of Partisan Coverage"

That is like Obama saying Limbaugh radio is conservative.

"I have to agree that she should have never made the allegation without proof."

His resume is far more impressive than Bush's.

Governor and head of a company are WAY more analogous to the strictures of POTUS than Community organizer and state senator.

Blow it out your own ass.

Posted by JeffJ
Yeah, right!
PART-TIME Governor-who's job duties consisted mainly of approving executions-and acting as mouthpiece for the Legislature-plus ALL those businesses he ran...right into the ground.

Best be careful about what you blow out yer own ass Jeff-you could easily bleed to death from the wounds...

"....went right to the end so I dont know if someone else already posted this but an article in the WASHINGTON POST has documented that barrywayne hussein has been in the papers and media MUCH more than mccain.....to the tune of almost 8 to 1 or something like that.
anyone else see that report
Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-08-20 12:40 PM"

That is because he has to spend half of the time shoot down the untruths being reported by surrogates of McCain (ie the Limbaughs, Hannities....)

That is because he has to spend half of the time shoot down the untruths being reported by surrogates of McCain (ie the Limbaughs, Hannities....)

Like Rezko, Ayres, Wright, The Joyce Foundation, De-escalation of Iraq Act, Public Financing, Iran, Israel, domestic drilling, partial birth abortion, BAIPA, clinging to bibles and guns, Flag Amendment, English Only Amendment... Those untruths?

MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that -- what they're putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

He seemed so well prepared.

Professional unbiased reporting at its best, served up to slobbering idiots who believe any amount of conjecture no matter how vague.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-08-19 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep forgetting the little FACT that SHE WAS RIGHT!

The campaign came out and admitted that he was never in any cone of silence.

Don't let the truth get in the way of one of your loony rants though.

With all due respect, what do you think Rush does on a daily basis?

Posted by wisgod at 2008-08-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag

Pop handfuls of Opiates into his cock-socket and then goes on the air screaming that all drug addicts should be in jail.

John McCain--American Victim

Right.

"The campaign came out and admitted that he was never in any cone of silence.

Don't let the truth get in the way of one of your loony rants though."

Posted by COMMONSENSE

Dear Mr(ss) Commonsense (funny):

The term "cone of silence" comes from an old comedy TV show and is used to describe one who is out of communication. It is not meant literally.

"A McCain aide told Politico that "Senator McCain was in a motorcade led by the United States Secret Service and held in a green room with no broadcast feed."

So McCain did not hear the questions what is meant here.

great reBUTT crispee..........they keep talking about judgment over experience and when they do, I can only think of Jwright and ayers and the land deal crook and all sorts of bad judgement from barrywayne.........you would think that someone would tell him thats not a great line for him

and it is real simple......just watch a small amount of coverage and you will see the mccain camp is right..........and as I said.....even the washington post admitted it with facts and numbers.

.......Andrea Mitchell's on the no-fly list....good luck with the Greyhounds......

"A McCain aide told Politico that "Senator McCain was in a motorcade led by the United States Secret Service and held in a green room with no broadcast feed."

So McCain did not hear the questions what is meant here.

Posted by FreddyK at 2008-08-21 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

He sat in his limo for most of the time and was able to receive a live feed.

I'm sure that he was COMPLETELY honest though and NEVER listened...........ahem,.....b
ullshit!