The Dem tent is big enough. Casey will probably say little or nothing about reproductive rights, and the Dem platform will remain firmly committed to women controlling their own bodies. herm

and?

I believe in a woman's right to choose except for the last trimester. However, I find it disgusting to see these women spend all their time and energy on their "right" to abort their baby. It's kind of a personal thing -- like between the woman, her physician, and the baby's father -- if he sticks around long enough.

But when these pro-abortion groups get so fanatical and spend all their free time protesting to make sure everyone can get an abortion on demand and make it their life long political cause and vendetta is just too gross.

I find it disgusting to see these women spend all their time and energy on their "right" to abort their baby.

It is not about their right. It isn't being threatened. It is about justification for having had one performed.

The Dem tent is big enough. Casey will probably say little or nothing about reproductive rights, and the Dem platform will remain firmly committed to women controlling their own bodies. herm

Posted by herm

LOL... huge tent... provided you act the same as everyone else.

LOL... huge tent... provided you act the same as everyone else.

I hear a pro-abortion speaker is kicking off the GOPper convention-or was that getting kicked out of the convention.

"And I think Ridge is a great example of that," McCain added. "Far more so than Bloomberg, because Bloomberg is pro-gay rights, you know, a number of other issues."

That's some funny stuff, Rob. GOP: Abortion isn't as bad as "gay" and besides, it's "Guns, Gays and God" not "Abortion, Guns and God."

Oh. Good luck with that.

Chrissie and NG, there's no such thing as "pro-abortion" folks.

But some people think women should have the right to end problem pregnancies.

Some even think that right needs a vigorous defense. Some think that without demonstrations, a Scalia court could force motherhood on all of the female persuasion. herm

"I hear a pro-abortion speaker is kicking off the GOPper convention".

That'll be the day when the Central Committee of the Conservative Commissariat will allow that.

It will do no good but let's remind them once again that nobody is forcing anybody to have an abortion. They would force people not to have abortions in the USA which like a lot of their "ideas" just makes things worse. But only for people who can't afford to go to Canada or Europe to get one and that's obviously their own fault.

The party that never shuts up about personal freedom really means only the freedoms that they like. Second Amendment good. The others, not so much sometimes and they'll define what those times are, thank you very much for your input which they'll take under consideration.

Chrissie and NG, there's no such thing as "pro-abortion" folks.

Bullshit.

The issue is black and white. Either you are against women having the right to have an abortion or you are against it.

Dressing it up with pretty words is just what Americans do in the New Politically Correct Word we live in.

Shell Shock. Battle Fatigue. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. -- Just as George Carlin noticed, they're a dumbing down of the language in order to make us feel better about them.

Global Warming Crisis. Global Climate Change. Same thing, pretty language to make it more acceptable.

Pro-Choice and Abortion Advocate...same thing.

Pro-Choice and Abortion Advocate...same thing.

Ok.

Pro-gun and murder advocate...same thing.

Pro-free speech and Treason...same thing.

so silly.

nobody buys that analogy yav.

it illustrates the weakness of your position.

Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice

Pro-Women's Rights or Anti-Women's Rights

Either women own their own bodies or they don't.

I think we do, I think women have to be constantly alert to attempts to restrict our rights in a Patriarchal world where people feel free to try and impose their religious beliefs on others.

I think women have to be constantly alert to attempts to restrict our rights in a Patriarchal world where people feel free to try and impose their religious beliefs on others.

yawnnnnnnnnnn.

let me know when you actually have a point to make danni.

and you jump on folks for being concerned about a terrorists attack.

odds of a terrorist attack on US soil? 100%...already happened.

odds of abortion on demand being criminalized?.....ZERO

"and you jump on folks for being concerned about a terrorists attack"

I do??? When??

"odds of abortion on demand being criminalized?.....ZERO"

It is likely only one SC Justice appointment away.

I do??? When??

oh please danni. you have to be at least average intelligence to think anybody is buying that shit.

It is likely only one SC Justice appointment away.

you immediately go to prove your lack of intelligence by admiting that you are a sheep that needs to be kept on her side of the fence at election time.

....a Scalia court could force motherhood on all of the female persuasion. herm

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Of course you are so very correct germ....because abortion is the only way to avoid the state of motherhood. All of the female persuasion are fucked now. Yep, great analysis germ.

This issue doesn't have anything to do with whether people think a woman should or should not have the right to get an abortion.

The issue has everything to do with if the government has a right to tell a woman whether or not she can have one.

The moral implications should be dealt with by the woman and the father. The gov ain't got anything to do with it.

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Don't worry the practice will eventually be completely controlled by the gov. because the white aristocracy is dying out.

Chrissie and NG, there's no such thing as "pro-abortion" folks.

But some people think women should have the right to end problem pregnancies.

Some even think that right needs a vigorous defense. Some think that without demonstrations, a Scalia court could force motherhood on all of the female persuasion. herm

Posted by herm

Force motherhood? WTF? Outside of rape/insest every woman CHOOSES to get pregnant. You are such a tool HERM - and the biggest "pro-abortionist" on this site. What the hell is a "problem pregnancy"? Is it one that endangers the life of the mother, or one that endangers the mother's right to a new cellphone and joint a day?

Been to see that abortion yet HERM? Thought so. Here let me help you:

just goes to show that a liberal can't run as a liberal, they have to pretend to be something they are not in order to have a chance of being elected.

unfortunatley McCain does the same thing, the only difference is McCain has never claimed he was a conservative, nor does he vote like one

The Dem tent is big enough.
herm

Unless you are a Super Delegate from Wisconsin who was and is still commited to Hillary.

Strange! Dems will invite Casey, but uninvite Edwards?

Dems will invite the Chief-Philanderer, Bill Clinton, who was getting his BJ's from a girl young enough to be his daughter, but will uninvite Edwards for simply boinking a woman? At least Edwards would agree with Casey, as it appears he was willing to support his trollup with 15 G's a month rather than ask her to abort it.

Ahhhh yes...the moral consistency of the Democratic Party.

The Constitution is just a gd piece of paper.

Who said that?

So, while we are talking about the Constitution...
The Constitution provides for SCOTUS.

SCOTUS ruled on abortion.
There is no right to abortion.
There isn't based on a choice.

It requires a physician's medical judgment.
Without that, the State can intervene.

Roe v Wade.

Women have a right to find a physician whose medical judgment agrees with their 'choice'.

Problem is, most abortions are not based on medical judgment. It's called medical malpractice.

I am all for enforcing Roe v Wade's decision.

My state has had so many abortions that I had to write my State Legislators and tell them there must be some serious medical illness affecting women in the State and something must be done to determine what this medical illness is that is causing so many abortions to be needed. I'd hate to have my next child lost because the Medical Society can't figure out what's happening to women's health.

e only difference is McCain has never claimed he was a conservative, nor does he vote like one

You haven't paid attention to him since 2004? He's flip=flopped on every issue the conservatives supported but he opposed. And he models himself after Reagan, patriarch of the Right.

And Petrous-you got your medical degree from where?

I'm sorry you were making an ass out of yourself? Continue...

Rob, I bet you still believe there are mountains of WMD in Iraq too...

Mcsame's VP choice will be old, white, male, Protestant and anti-choice. Since there's no way in hell Mcsame could kast out a full term, the religious right will be selecting the VP. They've already told him to nix Mitt.

Been to see that abortion yet HERM? Thought so. Here let me help you:

www.nrlc.org

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-08-14 10:05 AM | Reply

When it comes to abortion, Herm is kind of a reverse-Niceville, but with more poorly formed arguments and even worse social skills.

This is wonderful news. Diversity is the name of the game, people. Sharing a common goal, but with personal opinions. That is what America is about.

now...if only we could get the GOP to take their big girl pill and follow in the DNC's example.....dare to dream.

"There is no right to abortion." Answered on another thread, Pet. There is too.

I'd like to answer Andy/Tony too, but there's really nothing to answer. herm

now...if only we could get the GOP to take their big girl pill and follow in the DNC's example.....dare to dream.

Posted by Oberon at 2008-08-14 01:32 PM | Reply

The GOPiggies have had prochoicers give speeches at the convention. I'm certain Colin Powell has done so. I also believe some of these others may have done so, too (But, frankly, I'm too lazy to verify b/c I don't care that much):

Gerald Ford
Barbra Bush
Laura Bush
Christine Todd-Whitman

Big deal.

What I can't understand is why pro-choice doesn;t include the choice to accept the consequences of your actions? The choice was whether or not to engage in behavior that could result in becoming pregnant.

Once pregnant...you shouldn't get to choose whether or not the baby growing is destroyed...killed..murdered..
. however you want to say it.

Fundamentally (not religously since that is immaterial) no choice about the pregnancy - leaving things to evolve naturally - results in a healthy bouncing baby. The active choice made to abort ends the life process that was already started by your own choices.

Who do you think you are to end that process?

The precautions taken to avoid pregancy are immaterial since none are 100% effective.

Sure rape is excepted, but that is it.

I just don't know why any woman fights for the right to use abortion as a birth control method. it is repugnant.

The choice was whether or not to engage in behavior that could result in becoming pregnant.

Excellent point!!!

The debate on abortion is always steered on what to do and how to scrutinize actions after the most irresponsible act has been committed thus creating this tragedy.

It is the equivelent of debating the actions of a drunk driver in the last 10 seconds before he either drove into an oncoming car or drove into a tree......either result is horrible and tragic......and criminal.

We don't scrutinize the actions of the drunk driver at that point....we scruitinize the actions taken before he was in that situation and we criminalize that choice rather than the choices he made in the last 10 seconds.

Don't misunderstand me to think we should criminalize abortion.....no reason to debate that.

The precautions taken to avoid pregancy are immaterial since none are 100% effective.

well, there is one 100% effective method.

"well, there is one 100% effective method."

And I can't help noticing that not even Eb's mommie used it. I wonder how serious old Eb really is in suggesting that teens forgo sex. herm

And I can't help noticing that not even Eb's mommie used it. I wonder how serious old Eb really is in suggesting that teens forgo sex. herm

Posted by herm

Nice deflection HERM. Seen that abortion yet? Why don't you just admit defeat HERM. Your arguments for murder just don't hold water. I am pro-choice HERM. I believe the woman most definately has a right to chose who sticks what in her body. After that, it involves another life and she loses her right to murder indiscriminately.

i guess I just don't see the relationship between purely a womens right to choose and the life of a child.

Religion aside, a baby in the womb is a living child not some piece of meat to be discarded because oops I should have used protection or because its an inconvenience.

I agree a women should be able to choose whats goes into her body when it effects only her. But lets weight it here.

1. a women can choose to abort a child evenif the childs father wants it.

2. if the mother wants it the Father can't force the abortion but he is still required to pay for the child.

3. Murder's, rapists, death row inmates get trials and multiple appeals before they are killed humanely or Lib whine and cry about their rights. The child doesn't get any of this. It simply gets condemned to die by a one person judge and jury.

4. Abortions are not nice and neat. while I am not a doctor i can only imagine if we killed criminals in a similar manner the death penalty would already be abolished in this country.

Just a few thoughts.

I wonder how serious old Eb really is in suggesting that teens forgo sex. herm

Herm,

you are the one who is suggesting that carrying a child to term and either give it up or keep it (when the mother doesn't want to) can be a total tragedy and can even ruin a person's life.

You told me that it has ruined your step-daughters life...that she chose to keep a child rather than abort it....that she has been enslaved to a life of poverty (or near it). Basically just a miserable experience for her.

If I have misinterpreted what you told me then please tell me.

If it is so CATASTROPHIC to accept the consequences of engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who do NOT WANT TO RAISE A CHILD then YES, it is a reasonable request for folks (again, who would be so devastated by a pregnancy) to abstain from sex.

I guess it would be too much to ask for people to not drive drunk??????

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

And I can't help noticing that not even Eb's mommie used it.

My mom was in a committed relationship with my dad and they both agreed they would accept children lovingly into their home.

Otherwise they shouldn't have been screwing.

I won't bring your mother into this. I'm sure that is another painful experience for you.