"First they called her name up, then they did not even put her name up even though the Chinese had finished ... (it was) totally unusual holding," she said.

"She was mentally prepared and then she had a mental break, then after not doing the job, the beam, on the floor exercise her concentration was bothered."

Karolyi insisted the world champion US team would have won gold if Sacramone had not become unsettled.

LOL!! I bet a lot of teams would win the gold if their nerves didn't get to them and performed better. What a bunch of suck ass sore losers. They help perpetuate that Americans are poor sports and sore losers.

Why can't people admit failure anymore? This is the kind of attitude you get when you hand out trophies to every kid, and tell them they are special. Fuck it, you screwed up, you lost, fasten your bootstraps, move on, and try not to fuck up in the same way again. Learn from your mistakes, don't try to cover it up by blaming someone else. What you were distracted...maybe you should learn to concentrate a little more and focus on the job at hand.

Sorry for the rant, this kind of stuff pisses me off. I deal with it everyday at work. These new kids we hire can never admit that they screwed up, they always jump to point the finger somewhere else.

Why can't people admit failure anymore? This is the kind of attitude you get when you hand out trophies to every kid, and tell them they are special. Fuck it, you screwed up, you lost, fasten your bootstraps, move on, and try not to fuck up in the same way again. Learn from your mistakes, don't try to cover it up by blaming someone else. What you were distracted...maybe you should learn to concentrate a little more and focus on the job at hand.

Easy Taxman, the left will think you are some asshole on the right.

My God!! Read that post....it is the most rightwing rant I've read in a while.

And I agree 100% with it. I just apply it to more than gymnastics....but more to life in general.

This is the kind of attitude you get when you hand out trophies to every kid, and tell them they are special.

Kids don't learn how to lose anymore... so when they actually do lose, they can't handle it.

This is the same attitude we see around here a lot when there is an election... "Our guy couldn't have lost, someone must have stolen it."

Participation trophies weren't allowed in my father's house growing up... at the time I thought it was bullshit, but now I can see why he did it and am glad he did.

Alicia was out of sinc the first night where she went out of bounds on the floor then too.

In fact, so many of the gymnasts were going out of bounds I was beginning to think that the floor tape was too short.

Since the Chinese have 9 years olds competing (?) they need to look like they are covering the length of the floor.

Tax,
I don't put anything past the chinese. That being said...The kid should adapt and overcome. She didn't. End of story.

I heard another gymnist state that this just wasn't our day. She said on another day, who knows.

So it's not as if the sour grapes is universal.

BTW, I hear the boxing scoring is a blatant fuck up. I saw some of the examples yesterday on CNBC and if I were some of those guys I'd be irate that all of my training was negated to some shit scoring system.

Sad to read this about a USA participant in the Olympics. I was rooting for my team but, if you lose, then do it with grace and don't whine about it. Makes us look like sore loosers.

Read that post....it is the most rightwing rant I've read in a while

I disagree. It is the most human rant that I have seen in a long time.

Whoever created the notion that "everyone is a winner" should be locked away and not allowed to reproduce.

I equate the world to how George Burns in Oh God explained why there is evil....without evil there can be no good. Without losers there cannot be a winner.

That is the point of competition. Every child knows that inherently but you get some frigging civil servant telling them that winning is not as important as trying. Bullshit. They do not put the names of the tryers in the record books. They do not hand out gold medals for participation.

Yes there is value in the lessons learned about competition and fair play. But if everyone settled for mediocre what incentive would there be.

I mean my God you could graduate 894 out of 899 and still run for President.

"I hear the boxing scoring is a blatant fuck up. I saw some of the examples yesterday on CNBC and if I were some of those guys I'd be irate that all of my training was negated to some shit scoring system."

I saw a few yesterday and thought the same thing. After watching one or two bouts, I started coming very close on the scoring. Then came a Chinese fighter, and while he clearly won, it seemed he had to get tagged twice for it to count once, yet a few times punches of his that weren't in the zip code scored. The match was much closer than the final numbers.

I hate the boxing scoring system, I hate the fact that a computer essentially judges.

What a lame fucking excuse - they didn't put her name up on the board? Who cares? Do your fucking routine. If the entire arena needs to be visually perfect for you not to fall off the beam, then maybe you should be jumping around in your living room and not on the big stage.

And Eb that wasn't a right wing rant, that was a rant about the facts of life and learning from your mistakes. How can anyone learn if you are rewarding them for their failures? And befor you say it, entitlement programs do not reward failure - unless someone is abusing the system (which I admit happens).

Do you guys think it's an accident that the host team always winds up with the most medals?

I watched the gymnists and there was clearly 4 examples of falls, stumbles, bumbles, etc... If not for those the US would have won anyway. As it is, we didn't win gold and we didn't deserve to. Everybody else would have been thrilled to have gotten the silver.

If that girl (the team captain) cannot deal with a delay (whether intentional or not), then she needs to go back home and squirt out some future olympians. By chinese standards, they will be able to compete in 2 or 3 years.

But while she was unhappy with stadium officials, she also questioned Sacramone's temperament, suggesting the gymnast was emotionally vulnerable.

temperament is part of competing. It is part of life.

Dan,
I watched an american boxer absolutely blow it by dancing around for the last 30 seonds thinking he had it won. I'm not saying he would have won, but he only lost by one point and ran backwards for the last 30 seconds.

I also watched a Brit fight a chinese guy (may be the one you saw). That chinese guy landed two consecutive punches to the backside of the head/behind the ear and recieved 2 points for it. He also seemed to be clutching the brit quite often.

It's barely even boxing. They need MMA...(Brazil may clean up, but it would be entertaining and more to the original Olympic Spirit than boxing).

Did you guys read the article? Sacramone did not blame the officials, the coach did. Sacromone took the blame:

"We would have loved to have that gold," Sacramone said to a swarm of U.S. media moments after receiving the silver medal she wore around her neck. "And because of my mistakes, we missed out."

"It's kinda hard not to blame myself," she said, "so I am just trying to put on a smile."

"I was just really eager to do my routine and get the show on the road but they did hold me for quite some time and I guess I lost my nerve a little bit," she said.

Asked how long she could maintain focus while waiting to perform her routines, she repled: "Apparently not long enough."

Big John, why do you hate the U.S.? You could not wait to cll this girl a whiner - and badmouth the U.S. - typical lib.

The US women's gymnastics team blamed stadium officials Wednesday -

B.S. - it was one of the coaches not the whole team and it was not even the head coach.

"That chinese guy landed two consecutive punches to the backside of the head/behind the ear and recieved 2 points for it. "

That was the one. I thought he was ultimately the better boxer, but what was it...11 to 5? Hardly.

I don't recall the score. I agree the chinese boxer was better on that day. The Brit beat him over the summer in some international competition, so the chinese guy was fighting with a chip on his shoulder I guess.

ElCid,
I did not read the article. Guilty.

Elcid:

Sacramone added that she lost concentration because of the delay leading into her beam performance.

More:

"I was just really eager to do my routine and get the show on the road but they did hold me for quite some time and I guess I lost my nerve a little bit," she said.

"What a lame fucking excuse - they didn't put her name up on the board? Who cares? Do your fucking routine."

Not defending the sour grapes attitude of Karolyi, but to set you straight on this, the gymnast can't start their performance until their name is put up on the board.

She was complaining that they announced her name as if they were ready, then there was a large gap before her name actually went up and she could start.

My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.

While the girl may not have claimed sabatoge, I stand by my initial statement regarding the pussification of our youth.

Sacramone added that she lost concentration because of the delay leading into her beam performance.

Posted by taxman

I would say she is still taking the blame - if she would have said, I am 100% sure I would have made my mount if it was not for the uncalled for delay by the chinese officials - then I would say she is whining.

At the very least, you guys are being hard on her for comments her coach made.

Again she said:

We would have loved to have that gold," Sacramone said to a swarm of U.S. media moments after receiving the silver medal she wore around her neck. "And because of my mistakes, we missed out."

Sounds like she is taking the weight of the loss all on her shoulders to me.

Karolyi should have kept her mouth shut.

they didn't put her name up on the board? Who cares? Do your fucking routine. If the entire arena needs to be visually perfect for you not to fall off the beam, then maybe you should be jumping around in your living room and not on the big stage.

Posted by JOE at 2008-08-13 01:50 PM | Reply

To be fair Joe--In gymanstics procedure--the gymnast has to wait for her name to be posted to even be allowed to walk up and then salute the judges to then start her routine.

She messed up and by the article she was very up front about her part. She feels awful and I don't see her blaming the chinese--it was some other coach.

And if it comes out later that the chinese have 9 year olds on the team--there goes the Gold medal.

I hope they kick butt in the individual competition!

Go Shawn!

If you watched the olympics last night, you could see her grief over letting her teamates and the U.S. down.

"...they didn't put her name up on the board? Who cares? Do your fucking routine."

Whoa, Bronze Boy...not the expert on international competition rules, are you? If you go too early...deductions all around.

Geez Dan and Murphy - Joe already said he made a mistake on that and acknowledged the clarification 10 minutes ago.

Joe,
You're a real dumb fuck. Everyone knows how international gymnastics, or any gymnastics for that matter work. There's just no excuse, unless of course you're one of the 4 people in America that watches football, baseball, or hockey instead of gymnastics?
How utterly unrefined and uncultured you must be. What a god damned pity!
Cheerio,
Duke of Chairborne

If some of the Chinese women's gymnastic team are 16 I'm Santa Claus. I feel bad for Sacramone, but her deductions didn't add up the the amount the U.S. team lost by. They shouldn't have had her go first in the floor exercises either.

Go Phelps! What a great swim team we have this year.

It's fun watching the Olympics and seeing the results of all the hard work the athletes put into training, etc.

I like how everyone saw my post and was so excited to use it as an opportunity to showcase their knowledge of Olympic rules and regs that they didn't have five seconds to see that someone else had already corrected me.

Joe,
Guilty as charged.

101, I assumed you were making fun of the other people who missed it. Next time keep your goddamn mouth shut.

Bela Karolyi is an old well known cry baby. Suck it up and take the silver. This guy is someones bitch.

What about their preteen gymnasts? Wtf? They look like they are 8!

Mental fortitude. It's part of the game.

part of being in the largest toughest sports competition in the world is focusing on the job at hand and ignoring the fans and staff. TFS.

Joe,

Guilty as well. My apologies.

"Sounds like she is taking the weight of the loss all on her shoulders to me. Karolyi should have kept her mouth shut."

Absolutely dead-on. The whole tale in a nutshell.

OH! So-Sneek-Ay!

What did Karolyi say? I must have missed it.

From what I saw, Sacramone didn't lose enough points to account for the entire point deficit.

I feel bad for her though. Poor kid.

You couldn't get me to do a backflip on a balance beam no matter what you paid me.

Sore fucking losers.

This is what happens when Hillary Clinton is considered a great role model for American women. Hillary Clinton is clearly not a good role model for anyone.

If Edwards has fessed about his affair, then the ladies would have won the gold god damned it!

After coaching the likes of Nadia Comaneci and Mary Lou Retton it seems that Karolyi might be a little bit spoiled.

AU-Read the article

DANFORTH-She is a He-the most famous gymnastics coach of all time and a cry baby.

"DANFORTH-She is a He"

The women's coach? Check again; she's a gal.

The one doing the loud crying is Bela Karolyi a male coach formerly of the Romanian team.

Keith,

Reread the article. It's probably a relation: "US team coordinator Martha Karolyi"....

All my kids were involved in sports. I feel that it helps them develop character. One of the things I would tell them was that some days you do your very best and you still lose. That is how it goes. Take some time, feel sad about it, then get over it and move on. The only thing you can control is your effort, give your best and take pride in that. While they all had success in sports, none of them have grown to be professional atheletes, but I can see the lessons learned helping them in their lives.

In some sense I feel that these kids who achieve to such high levels are almost at a disadvantage. While they work hard and deserve what comes their way, in some ways they live in pretty sheltered environments and when things do not go their way they do not always know how to handle it.

I know in this case it was the coach, ha, maybe in this case maybe the coach needs to grow up and learn that life is not always fair.

Psyching out the competition has been around for decades and it takes many forms. It's just a fact of life from the NFL to Tiger Woods to the Olympics. At the highest level you have to train yourself to ignore it by zoning out. Complaining after you failed to do so just sounds whiny. Excusable in a disappointed 20-year old but not in their 65-year old coaches who have been known to practice it themselves.

Certainly not our best hour.

for the drive by idiots here you once again are missing the point

the athelete, the result of the system you decry where every child is a winner is not the one blaming hte officials,

she is saying she had a bad day.

you dont get to be a world class gymnist without being one tough son of a bitch. she lost her focus and wishes she had a better day.

the one complaining about the officials is the coach karoly the one who is NOT american bred

Whoever created the notion that "everyone is a winner" should be locked away and not allowed to reproduce.

Blame the Politically Correct crowd. I bet you can guess the political party they overwhelmingly occupy too.

Can't play tag at school anymore.

"Someone might be 'it' and that could hurt their feelings".

Fucking pussies. Your delicate snowflake is no longer an individual when you make them all winners. Assholes.

Blame the Politically Correct crowd. I bet you can guess the political party they overwhelmingly occupy too.

As contrasted to this story. Or maybe not. Depends on how you define politically correct.

101, I assumed you were making fun of the other people who missed it. Next time keep your goddamn mouth shut.

Posted by JOE at 2008-08-13 05:14 PM | Reply

I was. I wouldn't know the first thing about gymnastics or international competitions.

Well if one coach = entire US team then this headline isn't bullshit.

The whiner that keeps on giving:

Whining aside, how is Canada doing in the Olympics?

Whining aside, how is Canada doing in the Olympics?

Posted by 101Chairborne

You're kidding? Had I known that I wouldn't have asked...

I see the Swedes and Japs have also had an instance of poor sportsmanship.

The whiner that keeps on giving:

Posted by panchovilla

Yeah, as if every sports outlet outside of China has not talked about the age of the athletes. Pancho you are not from here right?

"Whining aside, how is Canada doing in the Olympics?"

They are living up to expectations.

I was. I wouldn't know the first thing about gymnastics or international competitions.

Posted by 101Chairborne

We're well aware of the things you don't know.

Participation trophies weren't allowed in my father's house growing up... at the time I thought it was bullshit, but now I can see why he did it and am glad he did.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

pooooor wobbie, go tell your shrink,

that tropy shelf must have been awful empty

Why can't people admit failure anymore? This is the kind of attitude you get when you hand out trophies to every kid, and tell them they are special. Fuck it, you screwed up, you lost, fasten your bootstraps, move on, and try not to fuck up in the same way again. Learn from your mistakes, don't try to cover it up by blaming someone else. What you were distracted...maybe you should learn to concentrate a little more and focus on the job at hand.

Sorry for the rant, this kind of stuff pisses me off. I deal with it everyday at work. These new kids we hire can never admit that they screwed up, they always jump to point the finger somewhere else.

Posted by taxman

this is a fascinating thesis. I believe our nation is far too competitive. I believe that the competitive drive is being instilled at younger and younger ages. I think children should be rewarded for trying for participating for giving it their best. Rewarding winning is what our society is drenched in and it is important to demonstrate to children that trying is important, that fairplay in important. Otherwise we get a bunch of overagressive obsessive people who ignore the rules and believe winning is more important that people.

High school football is now as competitive as college football once was. it is bleeding down into younger and younger age groups, kindergarten age children are playing on teams where winning is the most important thing in the world. that skews a persons world view. other people become less important, winning is more important than happiness.

and if you think this doesnt bleed into other parts of our society you are crazy. business becomes about winning not about social values or being a beneficial segment of society. our culture suffers for it, media plays for the highest ratings derived from the lowest common denominator abandoning its social responsibilities for winning the ratings game.

people become less valued than winning manifesting itself in me me me society of selfish pricks.

competiion is health a competitive spirit is normal and beneficial, but the concept that winning is more important that trying your best or participating or is the most important thing is self destructive.

Why can't people admit failure anymore? This is the kind of attitude you get when you hand out trophies to every kid, and tell them they are special

actually it derives from a society that wont accept failure, that denigrates the losers. People are up in arms because the american gymnists won second place. it derives from a society obsessed with stardom that needs to build up and tear down our heroes so people cant show weakness, cant be wrong, the worst sin is losing or being incorrect. that is the sickness not the concept of giving positive reinforcement.

Bad sportsmanship to blame others this way. She slipped, she fell. Say "I'm sorry" and move on.

truthhurts could have saved all that typing and just written: I'm against kids playing tag.

The message is the same...You are telling us you were the loser picked last and that you fear any competition.

Bad sportsmanship to blame others this way. She slipped, she fell. Say "I'm sorry" and move on.

Posted by SamBarber at

that's what she did

and yet some NEED to denigrate her.

thanks for making my point.

you know whats funny 101, I feel fairly confident I could kick your ass, do far far better than you financially, have a better looking wife than you, more intelligent, athletic and charismatic kids than you and could like beat you in most sports.

and oh yeah I am positive I am smarter than you and have a stronger moral compass

well you do win with childishness

That's just pathetic. You actually have thought about that haven't you?

you should try thinking once in a while, it might improve your life.

There's no deflecting from your comment troofy. You actually put thought in to me, an anonymous poster on the DR. You are sizing your self, your wife, your children, up to a poster on a political blog. It's absolutely pathetic.

We haven't met. We never will. It's frightening how much you losers let me bother you.

ok self retorting douchebag

you obviously gave me no thought when you responded at 1136 AM

no thought whatsoever

even though you had to dig deep into the recesses of your brain for the Tag thread and remembered the strawman comments made about my position on the issue.

yep no thought whatsoever

well the fact that you dont think is obvious

perhaps you should go back under the bridge troll.

"BEIJING - Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.

If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the Chinese team that beat the United States on Wednesday and clinched China's first women's team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday's uneven bars final.

Yang was also on Wednesday's winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.

It's really easy to remember when some puss wants tag banned.

Stop it AU! Your childishness obviously stems from you receiving a medal for tot soccer when you were 4

It's really easy to remember when some puss wants tag banned.

and its easy to remember you are an immoral, peabrained troll-likely living in mommy's basement, weighing in at a staggering 400 pounds.

so go away self retorting douchetroll.

"I believe our nation is far too competitive. I believe that the competitive drive is being instilled at younger and younger ages."

"you know whats funny 101, I feel fairly confident I could kick your ass, do far far better than you financially, have a better looking wife than you, more intelligent, athletic and charismatic kids than you and could like beat you in most sports."

So does 101 make people forget their values and sink to his level? Or does he make them expose that their stated values are bullshit and they are already at his level?

Discuss.

So does 101 make people forget their values and sink to his level? Or does he make them expose that their stated values are bullshit and they are already at his level?

Discuss.

Fight your own fights, Alice.

or gee there are healthy levels of competition and unhealthy levels of competition

and since I am from the school of positive reinforcement and 101 is a troll, it is an example that one can be very successful in life developing a healthy sense of competition.

is there a school for trolls that you are 101 have graduated from?

I feel fairly confident I could kick your ass, do far far better than you financially, have a better looking wife than you, more intelligent, athletic and charismatic kids than you and could like beat you in most sports.

Someone actually said this? You need to get the fuck off the computer for a while.

I mean that is just really pathetic.

whatever! 101 called me a loser so i guess you feel the same way about him, correct?
cause my post was just a different way of saying the same thing, more colorfully i think.

of course he and I have been around here since May 2005 and before that when the Drudge Retort was less monitored so I think I know the self retorting douche troll.

as an aside I have a lower seniority number than 101 33 vs 32 so he can go fuck himself

ok THAT was pathetic.

since I am from the school of positive reinforcement

Your posts in this thread alone would make me think otherwise, TRUTHHURTS. Positive reinforcement involves complimenting the subject on their positive behavior and downplaying, or even ignoring, behavior you disagree with. I see people on here who do it (Doc_Sarvis comes to mind). Your responses today seem to be more from the school of personal attack. And I am not saying I am perfect in this regard either, but I thought it was worth pointing out to you.

"Fight your own fights, Alice."

I'm not fighting anyone. It interests me that someone can go from saying we teach kids to be too competitive to six minutes later telling 101 that his kids are so much better than 101's. And with an internet toughguy flair to boot. So I said so.

If that bothers you, you probably need to grow up a little.

you know whats funny 101, I feel fairly confident I could kick your ass, do far far better than you financially, have a better looking wife than you, more intelligent, athletic and charismatic kids than you and could like beat you in most sports.

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You need help, Truth. I
flagged it as funny because there was nothing else to put it under. What a revealing comment. Sounds like the John Edwards Syndrome to me.

DANFORTH-Yes Bela's wife. They function with one brain-his.

actually it derives from a society that wont accept failure, that denigrates the losers. People are up in arms because the american gymnists won second place. it derives from a society obsessed with stardom that needs to build up and tear down our heroes so people cant show weakness, cant be wrong, the worst sin is losing or being incorrect. that is the sickness not the concept of giving positive reinforcement.

Posted by truthhurts

Yeah, what a terrible thing to want to be the best at everything we do. Your statement pretty much sums up the pussification of American children since the 60's. "It's ok to lose as long as you feel good about it."

nappy you have to give me something of a break, this is 101 I am "debating". and since he does nothing positive, well it would be useless using positive reinforcement with him.

"They function with one brain-his."

They need a new one.

"Fight your own fights, Alice."

I'm not fighting anyone. It interests me that someone can go from saying we teach kids to be too competitive to six minutes later telling 101 that his kids are so much better than 101's. And with an internet toughguy flair to boot. So I said so.

If that bothers you, you probably need to grow up a little.

Posted by sully

well that is because YOU misunderstood or intentionally misinterpret what I wrote.

There is nothing wrong with competition or a competitive spirit. There is something wrong with an over emphasis on winning.

and when 101 called me a loser, my competitive spirit awoke and I had to express my beliefs etc.

again nothing wrong with having a competitive spirit.

sorry if you cant conceive of the fact that since I have been around 101 for well over 3 years i can have a perception of who he is as a person and derive assumptions from those perceptions.

of course if your goal was to be a troll and cause me angst, nice try but missed by that much.

cook, you are aware this is 101 we are talking about? correct

why is he so off limits from an insult or two

again, why are righties such whiny bitches?

el that is NOT what I am saying, my point is that making winning and losing the most important thing in your life or society as a whole is fucked up. it results in many many problems.

when your existence surrounds winning and losing then you are a pathetic person, and your morals will become skewed.

the results range from fights at peewee football games between parents to starting wars of agression.

when you have been raised that winning is the most important thing, cheating, lying, stealing, killing, all become less of a hurdle cause the other person, the competition is in the way of your winning.

Truth - I do not believe in winning "at all costs" either. I also believe in losing with dignity - but not losing and getting in touch with my feelings.

Here is an example of bad losing:

why is he so off limits from an insult or two

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-08-14 12:39 PM | Reply

Nobody in their right mind sees it that way.

What people are laughing at you for is the creepy and obsessed way you went about it. Look no further than my Head Puppet AmericanUnity for another example of an obsessed freak.

"There is nothing wrong with competition or a competitive spirit. There is something wrong with an over emphasis on winning.

and when 101 called me a loser, my competitive spirit awoke and I had to express my beliefs etc.

again nothing wrong with having a competitive spirit.

sorry if you cant conceive of the fact that since I have been around 101 for well over 3 years i can have a perception of who he is as a person and derive assumptions from those perceptions."

OK. I thought bringing wife and especially kids into it was a little extreme and it didn't seem to mesh with your earlier post. If you can reconcile the two then good for you. I just don't see how comparing kids is a healthy competition.

dude it was a fucking joke! I dont know any particluars about 101 other than he is a loser nor do I care. it was a creative way of saying I'm not a loser you are. if you all cant get it, well whatever

If that bothers you, you probably need to grow up a little.

Sully, my reaction was to the throw-away line at the end where you said "...(It's possible 101 is lame).... Discuss"

Your throwing it out to everyone else to have them say what you yourself were capable of saying was what I was keying in on.

ok selfretortingdouchetroll

I guess I am suffering from a lack of historical perspective on the dynamics between all you old-timers, given that my seniority (#794) is only from the first of this year. I'll step aside and let this run its course.

truthhurts is going to make itsy and AmericanUnity jealous with that type of obsession.

You girls fight it out. No need to let me know who the winner is because regardless it will still be a pathetic loser.

Nappy, call him an asshole. Then sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Go ahead, it's good for the soul.

"dude it was a fucking joke!"

OK. Sometimes its hard to tell online.

But does this mean you can't kick his ass?

"Your throwing it out to everyone else to have them say what you yourself were capable of saying was what I was keying in on."

I get it now. But I really wanted other opinions at the time.

"truthhurts is going to make itsy and AmericanUnity jealous with that type of obsession."

I'm pretty sure all three of you are Boyd.

ThurthHurts: What is a "selfretortingdouchetroll"? I always thought a troll was someone who lobs in an inflammatory statement and then quickly disappears to watch. How does a classic troll differ from a self-retorting douche troll? Can someone give me a hypothetical example? thanks...

truthhurts could have saved all that typing and just written: I'm against kids playing tag.

The message is the same...You are telling us you were the loser picked last and that you fear any competition.

Posted by 101Chairborne at

There's no deflecting from your comment troofy. You actually put thought in to me, an anonymous poster on the DR. You are sizing your self, your wife, your children, up to a poster on a political blog. It's absolutely pathetic.

We haven't met. We never will. It's frightening how much you losers let me bother you.

Posted by 101Chairborne at

see post 1 is the troll part, attempting to bait me into an argument.

the second is the self retorting part "You actually put thought in to me, an anonymous poster on the DR."

since he actuallyput thought into me he is selfretorting and since his original post was a trollpost he is a selfretortingtroll and since it is 101 he being a douche he is a selfretortingdouchetroll

get it?

BEIJING - Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government's news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of "10 big new stars" who made a splash at China's Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, "this little girl" pulled off a difficult release move on the bars known as the Li Na, named for another Chinese gymnast, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, http://www.hb.xinhuanet.com

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.