Them's some mighty fine farmersuiticals, Doc.

I'm sure after Jan you won't hear things like recession or quagmire anymore.

*** Dubya: 'I Don't See America Having Problems' ***

.....thats because his Base....the haves and the have-mores......

.......are doing just fine..........

Why, if America has no problems, that must be because Bush as been perfect.

Rush Limbaugh excoriated Obama last week for suggesting to a kid in the mildest terms America might have some room for improvement.

So I'm guessing Bush is afarid of Rush. Or Bush is attempting to back Rush's play.

Or, more likely, Bush has twenty-million and is so egocentric he sincerely doesn't understand why everyone doesn't.

**** Or, more likely, Bush has twenty-million and is so egocentric he sincerely doesn't understand why everyone doesn't.
....Posted by Zed *****

.....some suckers just don't choose to be born to the right family......

*** Dubya: 'I Don't See America Having Problems' ***

'That's cause I got my eyes closed, heh, he he. If you close one eye and then stick your finger in your nostril, then it even looks like Cheney is not satan too.'

"Some suckers just don't choose to be born into the right family...."

Exactly. Or, as Neal Boortz puts it, not having money is a state of mind.

His cunt of a mother thinks the plebs left homeless by Katrina were better off living in the Astrodome. So why would you expect her son to be anything but an out of touch elitist scumbag?

Posted by Sully

????

Sully,

Your summation does not mirror Babs' summation.

I didn't even know about this one. No wonder her son is such an amoral little douche....

"Your summation does not mirror Babs' summation."

I forgot the part where she expressed fear that all these black people might be moving to Texas but other than that I pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I forgot the part where she expressed fear that all these black people might be moving to Texas but other than that I pretty much hit the nail on the head.

All you've done on this thread is link some snopes pages and then offer a 1-sentence commentary on each.

You may very well have some salient commentary to offer, yet you have yet to proffer it - at least on this thread.

Can you expound?

I didn't even know about this one. No wonder her son is such an amoral little douche....

www.snopes.com

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 10:08 AM | Reply

Did you even read the summary after the quote? It's not often people provide a link that disputes their own assertions.

Did you even read the summary after the quote? It's not often people provide a link that disputes their own assertions.

Posted by 101Chairborne

I drew the same conclusion.

Quit channeling me, cock-gazer.

Jeff - The full quotes are there. There is little room for interpretation when she says "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

When she says they were "underprivileged anyway" she's talking about before they lost their homes, and some family members in many cases. Somehow in her demented mind things are going great for them because being homeless in Texas is better than being poor in Lousianna apparently. You have to be one cold hearted cunt to walk through an arena full of people's whose lives have been shattered and declare them "better off".

And then there's the part where she calls it "scary" that alot of them may stay. What sensible reason would she have to be scared?

Did you really need this explained to you? I think you're just playing Polly Anna here.

"I think you're just playing Polly Anna here."

He's just trying to put lipstick on a pig. Barbara Bush is an elitist bitch. Hopefully no other Bush will ever win national office. Unfortunately we're stuck with the Clinton family for probably another dozen years.

And then there's the part where she calls it "scary" that alot of them may stay. What sensible reason would she have to be scared?

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 10:30 AM | Reply |

Well, let's be blunt shall we? What happened to the crime rates in the areas that the Katrina thugs invaded?
Specifically the murder rate?

CASE CLOSED!!!

"First of all, I don't see America's problems, because didn't I just sign something that is going to cure the housing and lending mess? That's what they told me.

It's the other countries that have problems. Not America under our loving God who talks to me."

"What sensible reason would she have to be scared?"

She said what couldn't be said.....

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

When she says they were "underprivileged anyway" she's talking about before they lost their homes, and some family members in many cases. Somehow in her demented mind things are going great for them because being homeless in Texas is better than being poor in Lousianna apparently. You have to be one cold hearted cunt to walk through an arena full of people's whose lives have been shattered and declare them "better off".

Her characterizations would be quite accurate if the same malady afflicted Detroit. As callous as that sounds, it is reality. I've seen it firsthand.

Did you really need this explained to you? I think you're just playing Polly Anna here.

I am not playing Pollyannanything here. LA rings home for me because it so resembles Detroit in so many ways.

Her remarks were at best, callous. That said, sometimes the truth hurts.

Did you really need this explained to you?

"Did you even read the summary after the quote? It's not often people provide a link that disputes their own assertions."

I don't see how that summary paints her in any better of a light - even if that was the intention of the analysis being done on the website.

Any way you look at it she was saying that she shouldn't have to worry about the possible deaths caused by her son's decisions. That she blamed it on the bad media people for bringing this stuff up hardly changes the fact that she has no compassion at all for anyone her son gets killed.

That attitude is callous as hell. It shows were her son gets it. That is how he can send people into Iraq without even bothering to formulate a complete plan. He didn't feel it was his job to give a shit.

"Her characterizations would be quite accurate if the same malady afflicted Detroit. As callous as that sounds, it is reality. I've seen it firsthand."

People died. You're a fucking idiot.

You have to be one cold hearted cunt to walk through an arena full of people's whose lives have been shattered and declare them "better off".

agreed.

Jeff - would trade a family member, lose all your stuff and live on a cot in a fucking arena for weeks for a chance to relocate?

That's idiotic.

What happened to the crime rates in the areas that the Katrina thugs invaded?

6 weeks ago I pulled into a gas station at McNichols and John R at 3 AM - I was working.

I pulled in and was studying some paperwork. A cop car pulled up beside me. My first thought was they thought I was trolling for hookers - that stretch of town is hookerville, btw.

Nope.

They first asked what I was doing.

I answered - I was working

They then asked if I had a CCW.

I answered - No

They then asked if my car had autolocks.

I answered - No

They then asked if I had any kind of weapon.

I showed them the hammer that I keep underneath my seat.

They shrugged their shoulders and replied that I work at my own risk.

Even though it was a black cop with a white partner, I would guess that Sully would refer to these 2 guys as "cunts" for stating the obvious.

People died. You're a fucking idiot.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 10:39 AM | Reply

Not the people she was talking about.

Anyway, in regards to your 1038am, the snopes link provided you with the context of the quote. She was discussing how the media (in the run up to the war) was doing nothing but guess work and throwing out numbers that they had no way of knowing (and which turned out to be completely off of the mark).

Being a former first lady she was more aware than many that the media makes shit up.

Again, you provided a link from a website whose job it is to play it fair. They concluded that the quote was much ado about nothing and you rpovided the link.

Now, for your "what's to fear" query...

Jeff - would trade a family member, lose all your stuff and live on a cot in a fucking arena for weeks for a chance to relocate?

That's idiotic.

No.

You are idiotic, asshole.

You are erecting such strawmen borne out of prejudice and ignorance.

Why don't you tour the neighborhoods of Detroit, asshole.

You seem to have no clue as to what you are talking about - a bunch of politically-correct bullshit.

"6 weeks ago I pulled into a gas station"

And that's relevant to her remarks about the Katrina victims being better off exactly how?

"Why don't you tour the neighborhoods of Detroit, asshole."

My family used to live in a ghetto. At no point would they have traded a family member or any of the neighbor's lives to get out.

You have a very elitist view of poor people.

Jeff - would trade a family member, lose all your stuff and live on a cot in a fucking arena for weeks for a chance to relocate?

Seriously, I would very possibly get my ass kicked, but if you actually had the temerity to say those exact words to me in person, I would come out swinging.

No bragadoccio, just a recitation of the "facts".

"You are erecting such strawmen borne out of prejudice and ignorance."

What strawmen? Did the bitch say this shit or not?

"Anyway, in regards to your 1038am, the snopes link provided you with the context of the quote. She was discussing how the media (in the run up to the war) was doing nothing but guess work and throwing out numbers that they had no way of knowing (and which turned out to be completely off of the mark)."

I understand that. And she said its nothing to worry about. Why would how many lives her son was about to throw away be nothing to worry about?

"You seem to have no clue as to what you are talking about - a bunch of politically-correct bullshit. "

PC has nothing to do with it. She made some ignorant, elitist comments. Period.

"I would come out swinging."

Sounds like JeffJ is channeling Frank Cotton.

My family used to live in a ghetto. At no point would they have traded a family member or any of the neighbor's lives to get out.

You have a very elitist view of poor people.

My view of poor people is far from elitist.

3 years ago I had a homeless, alcoholic uncle die in October due to 'weather conditions'. What is truly sad is that he had a genius mind.

Regardless, fuck you for trying to diminish my point by attacking me personally.

"Seriously, I would very possibly get my ass kicked, but if you actually had the temerity to say those exact words to me in person, I would come out swinging.

No bragadoccio, just a recitation of the "facts". "

Well when the old cunt said the same thing about the people in the Astrodome, you defended her.

But now you're insulted when I applied the same exact logic to yourself.

And yet you still don't see why she was wrong.

Imagine you had just lost your home, your possessions and a family member or a neighbor and then I come by saying you're better off because you're gonna move to better neighborhood..... You'd come out swinging you just said.... So how should the Katrina vicimts have felt about what the cunt said? Put 2 and 2 together. I know you can.......

I understand that. And she said its nothing to worry about. Why would how many lives her son was about to throw away be nothing to worry about?

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 10:55 AM | Reply

Well if you knew the numbers being bandied about were completely irrelevent or inaccurate why would you worry about them?

Do you "worry" about bani's posts? How about BuffaloBobs?

Now, how about those crime stats for the refugee towns and cities in Texas? Would those be something you'd concern yourself about if they were moving to your neck of the woods?

Sounds like JeffJ is channeling Frank Cotton

I wish.

Unfortunately, I am not that tough.

our country is sliding downward and the tilt is getting steeper

my company an solid firm been around for 100+ years is cutting expenses, reducing bonuses, requiring OT, drastically reducing marketing, hiring freezes, delaying promotions, etc.

my brother, a sales manager for a printing company had to take a salary cut,

several of the contractors working in my house the past 3 or 4 months are consistently talking of hurting of no business at all

the snowball is starting to roll downhill

According to Sully, reciting the truth is only OK if it is politically correct.

For fuck's sake, if one describes a shit-hole like the 'hoods of Detroit for what they are, one must be a reich-wing asshole.

"Well if you knew the numbers being bandied about were completely irrelevent or inaccurate why would you worry about them?"

How are they irrelevent? You know some people are going to die. Someone should try to figure out how many. How else do you decide whether or not the whole project is worth it? Unless deaths don't figure into that decision at all, you have to do some estimates......

"Now, how about those crime stats for the refugee towns and cities in Texas? Would those be something you'd concern yourself about if they were moving to your neck of the woods?"

Sure, that is a legitimate point. But the whole "they're better off" nonsense is just ridiculous. Only a real bitch would have said something like that minutes after touring these people and seeing that they literally have nothing.

My company continues to grow. People I know are doing well.
I can't get a contractor to return a call because they are so busy.

The sky isn't falling.

"For fuck's sake, if one describes a shit-hole like the 'hoods of Detroit for what they are, one must be a reich-wing asshole."

Now that's a strawman. She said people who lost everything - including family members/friends/neighbors in many cases - were better off for their experience.

And you agreed.

Then you got pissed when I asked if you'd make the same trade.

How are they irrelevent?

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 11:08 AM | Reply

This is a losing argument for you because history has proven those initial numbers to be irrellevent.

They weren't even in the ballpark with their pr-war predictions.

Sure, that is a legitimate point. But the whole "they're better off" nonsense is just ridiculous.

Fair enough - my question then becomes where do they come from in the first place.

I'll give my anecdotal evidence - a run-down building exists on John R a bit north of McNichols. It is so dilapidated that I wrongly assumed it was a crack-house. Nope. I've personally witnessed lamps switched off and saw real people walk down the so-called stairway to intermingle with the hookers.

"Regardless, fuck you for trying to diminish my point by attacking me personally. "

If we weren't talking about situations were lives were lost I might have been less quick to call you an idiot. But glossing over the loss of life is idiotic so I told you so.

Now that's a strawman. She said people who lost everything - including family members/friends/neighbors in many cases - were better off for their experience.

I never construed that from her comments.

If such a sentiment is evident I will gladly call her a cunt, as you have.

"I'm sure after Jan you won't hear things like recession or quagmire anymore."

Baloney, you'll start hearing how we are going to fix the economy and get the hell out of Iraq.

"This is a losing argument for you because history has proven those initial numbers to be irrellevent."

Once you learn the real numbers, the estimates always become irrellevent. Doesn't mean the Bushies should have been concerned with how many lives were going to be lost, as Babs suggested.

"They weren't even in the ballpark with their pr-war predictions."

So they were wrong. That means you don't worry about how many people are going to die?

I watched this whole interview and I thought for once he actually had a good one... maybe because it was mostly about sports and was mostly fluff, but in regards to this part of the interview I knew the Left would flip shit.

It was a stupid question and Bush threw it back at Costas who shouldn't have even been asking it in the first place... he's a sports anchor, ask about Basketball or shut the fuck up... but he lead into it praising China an d making it seem like China was now the world leader because they put on a pretty cool opening ceremony and American is just a giant shithole... Fuck that, Bush answered it perfectly... it was a stupid Olympics interview and didn't need to go down that path.

If we weren't talking about situations were lives were lost I might have been less quick to call you an idiot. But glossing over the loss of life is idiotic so I told you so.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Your tack is no better than anyone riding the cause du jur as a means of attacking an opponent in attempt to shut said opponent up.

Don't play the pious card - you suck at it.

"Fair enough - my question then becomes where do they come from in the first place. "

Shitty neighborhoods. But they were living in the fucking Astrodome when the bitch decided that it worked out well for them. Do you think the Astrodome is a good neighborhood?

And where do you think they live now, Beverly Hills?

Baloney, you'll start hearing how we are going to fix the economy and get the hell out of Iraq.

Posted by danni

How do you fix something that isn't broken? We're not in a recession... the economy grew last quarter. He can potentially make it grow more or grow less, but right now we're not in a recession so what is he going to fix?

As to Iraq, before Obama or McCain is even elected we're probably going to have a timeline to get out of Iraq (mostly) so why would we be hearing about that in January when its already been decided?

Do you think the Astrodome is a good neighborhood?

Well, I can't speak for the Astrodome, but Ford Field is a far cry from the shitholes (and I am being generous) that many Detroit residents sleep in.

And where do you think they live now, Beverly Hills?

If it's remotely better than the shitholes that are so prevalent in Detroit it would probably seem like Beverly Hills by comparison.

So they were wrong. That means you don't worry about how many people are going to die?

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 11:18 AM | Reply

No, it means you don't listen to the talking heads on TV that bandy about numbers that are never even close to accurate. Just as Babs explained and then did.

Do you think that a former first lady, and the present day mother of a sitting president needs to hear Keith Olbermann tell her about national security matters?

Jeff J- I am only starting to realize now that you don't associate Katrina with loss of life. I assumed that when you were defending Babs, you knew what the fuck happened in the first place. I thought you were dismissing that loss of life for some reason and I called you an idiot.

Now I'm realizing you're more of an ignoramus than and idiot.

I apologize.

"Don't play the pious card - you suck at it. "

Oh, please. Put the purse down, Jeff. Your self-righteous faux outrage is quite unladylike.

"Do you think that a former first lady, and the present day mother of a sitting president needs to hear Keith Olbermann tell her about national security matters?"

Olbermann is a jackass. But given who her son is you'd have to say Olbermann has a better grip on national security matters than he does.

If you want to talk about a member of her family who knows something: Bush Sr. didn't seem to think the cost of invading Iraq was worth it. He seemed to think loss of life was worth thinking about. Both when he was president and when his moron son decided to invade.

Maybe if Georgie's mommy had sat him down and explained who the leaders of NATO countries were (which he didn't), or that there were Shiite and Sunni in Iraq who didn't like each other he'd have been a little more ahead of the curve.

Speaking of national security

Null,

I just tossed my dildo aside - may I now rant as if I am menstruating..please?

He didn't know who the leaders of NATO countries were when he was sworn in. Not Germany, not France, et al

Even in her own quote she acknowledged that the only Bush with a brain and shred of decency was the one watching the news and worrying about how people would die.

CASE CLOSED!

He didn't know who the leaders of NATO countries were when he was sworn in. Not Germany, not France, et al

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Credible link please?

Even in her own quote she acknowledged that the only Bush with a brain and shred of decency was the one watching the news and worrying about how people would die.

CASE CLOSED!

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 11:36 AM | Reply |

Not to bring this back to reality, but it says he listens. It doesn't say he worried about anything.

CASE RE-OPENED, and then CASE RE-CLOSED!!!
NO CLOSE BACKS!!!

You're being pretty cranky considering it's only Monday morning, Jeff. You'll have the temper of, say, a John McCain by Thursday. Remind me to bait you.

You're being pretty cranky considering it's only Monday morning, Jeff. You'll have the temper of, say, a John McCain by Thursday. Remind me to bait you.

Posted by nullifidian

Yes, I am cranky, Null.

That said, I laughed out loud when I read this post - I am serious!

It hit the spot for some reason.

Rob,

"As to Iraq, before Obama or McCain is even elected we're probably going to have a timeline to get out of Iraq (mostly) so why would we be hearing about that in January when its already been decided?"

And this is a good thing, right?
But...weren't you one of those awhile back parroting the line that we could not or should not have a timeline? Do you see the hypocrisy of this...even in the least? The hypocrisy of doing whatever it takes to get your party elected?

"Not to bring this back to reality, but it says he listens. It doesn't say he worried about anything."

OK you win.

None of the Bush's care how many American soldiers die due to their laziness and incompetence when planning an unnecessary war.

In all seriousness - I can't believe the lack of planning that went into this thing doesn't bother you.

But...weren't you one of those awhile back parroting the line that we could not or should not have a timeline?

I don't remember, but if I was it was certainly pre-surge. The Surge worked. Violence is at all time lows, troops casualties are too, and the Iraqi Security Forces are really coming along well as well as your average Iraqi citizens tiring of the violence and working to make their country better. We're at a point in Iraq now where we can start talking about timelines and removing our presence there.

In all seriousness - I can't believe the lack of planning that went into this thing doesn't bother you.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 11:54 AM | Reply

Of course it does, but that's not the point of our conversation in this thread. You were angry at Babs for a) Telling the truth and b) Being blunt

It had nothing to do with planning or lack of planning for the war. It was about some really old lady with white hair.

None of the Bush's care how many American soldiers die due to their laziness and incompetence when planning an unnecessary war.

Is that how you seriously reduce this to?

Is this worth seeing to its conclusion or not?

"I'd be willing to bet you've never set foot into Detroit. "

LOL. And I'd be willing to bet you are the only one here who thinks this thread is about Detroit.

"Fuck your PC-bullshit. Real-world inner-city is much closer to Babs' description than your bullshit sensitivities allow. "

She didn't describe the inner city you moron. Where in that quote did she describe anything for that matter?

She said people who just suffered a horrible tragedy were better off because they were poor anyway. I'm not being PC when I say so. That is exactly what happened. You are the one trying to reverse engineer some bullshit justification for the woman being a total out of touch cunt.

"Many, MANY people in Detroit would LOVE to spend a couple of nights in Ford Field. I've seen their existence, firsthand. You haven't. "

LOL. With thousands of other people - many of whom are the ones that make their neighborhoods bad in the first place? Oh and they have to lose all their possessions first and have no idea where they are going live or how they are going to make money to survive once their little adventure in Ford Field is over. And (I know you wish to remain ignorant of this but....) some people have to lose someone first before they can spend a night in Ford Field... Yeah sweet deal. I'm sure many people would jump all over it.

Get a grip. Katrina was a disaster for these people. You should be ashamed for saying such stupid things .....

"Of course it does, but that's not the point of our conversation in this thread. You were angry at Babs for a) Telling the truth and b) Being blunt"

Telling the truth about what? That people who suffered Katrina were better off? Absurd. Or that her mind is too beautiful to bother with little things like how many lives may be lost due to her son's policies?

"It had nothing to do with planning or lack of planning for the war. It was about some really old lady with white hair."

I was saying that the fact that his mom doesn't care might be an indication as to why he doesn't care. You can't argue that he cares when he refused to plan properly. There's just no excuse for that.

"Is that how you seriously reduce this to?"

No, I was half kidding. I still think Bush Sr. might care.

And Dubya may superficially care because he has some sense that he should but he doesn't care enough to work hard or consider he may be wrong or jeapordize the amount of money his friends are making over there...... He cares on the same superficial level that he's regligious.

Even John Edwards admitted to a sense of self-importance and narcissism and he was just starting to run for President. It's hard to imagine what degree of self-importance and narcissm gets into you when, by some stroke of "luck" you have actually achieved that position and been there for eight years. Bush lives in a kind of dream-world, encouraged by his surroundings and his intimates to believe he cares and wants to do "the right thing".

****What happened to the crime rates in the areas that the Katrina thugs invaded?

....Posted by 101Chairborne******

......some bad guys blew into town ?.......

Why do we discuss Barbara Bush when we should focus on her no-good kid, the worst president in American history and perhaps one of the ten most detested leaders in world history? The point is that on Sonny Dubya's watch the country has gone neck deep into the crapper and yet this president still sees no American problems. herm

Deflect away, right-wing astroturfers!

Hell no, i guess not when daddy's billions got your back. Not a care in the world.

"'I don't see America having problems,' President Bush said during an interview...."

Too bad Chimpy didn't stop after the first three words. We'd have had some truth out of him for once.

My gosh, I know he's outta here (praise God!) in January but can't his handlers keep a muzzle on him until then????? Every time he opens his yap another Repulsican loses ground in the election. On second thought, keep on flapping those gums, Shrubbie!

Many, MANY people in Detroit would LOVE to spend a couple of nights in Ford Field. I've seen their existence, firsthand. You haven't.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-08-11 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

At the cost of dead relatives?

You seem to forget that babs bush was talking about people who had just watched their friends and neighbors fucking drown. Idiot.

Are you suggesting that somebody in their family had to die in order to get in to the Super Dome? Because that would be really stupid on your part.

How many people died in Katrina anyway?

"How many people died in Katrina anyway?"

I've seen it reported between 1,500-4,000. So who the hell knows.

Putting the fact that there were people in the Astrodome who definitely lost loved ones......Do you really think that anyone living in a horrible neighborhood would want to lose all their crap so they could live in a stadium with thousands of other people from equally horrible neighborhoods? At least in the ghetto they have their own bathrooms, some privacy and a TV. This assertion is some of the craziest shit I've seen on this site. The whole "better off" thing is ridiculous.

Before Jeff J said this and proved how out of touch he is I was thinking he might be Eminem: Spends alot of time in Detroit ghettos, threatens to kick my ass, etc.

I find it funny that the president shows his optimism for our Nation and the Left hammers him for it.

I'm sure the President doesn't think that there isn't room for improvement in many areas, but just because he isn't screaming, "WE'RE ALL FUCKDED," you call him nuts...

No wonder the drug comapanies make such large amounts of money... the amount of Prozac you liberals have to be on just to keep yourselves from launching off a roof must be staggering... "The president thinks America is a great place... what a dick!"

"WE'RE ALL FUCKDED,"

Lil' spelling mistake there, but given this president's public speaking skills I think it still fits...

I find it funny that the president shows his optimism for our Nation and the Left hammers him for it.

I find it funny that you find it humorous about the ignorant optimism of the president but still hammer the left.

"I don't see America having problems," President Bush said during an interview with Bob Costas of NBC...

Oh...my...God. Please help us.

How much longer must we suffer under this stooge.

Rob-
Newsflash: Bush is an incompetent dullard. That he was a cheerleader at Yale is of little concern to anyone paying the least bit of attention to how he has screwed us over.

Rob-
re: "No wonder the drug comapanies make such large amounts of money..."

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Medicare drug bill they wrote which was pushed through by Bush...

just for starters

Yep, it is fuckin bush's fault! Bush wrote the bill, pushed it though CONGRESS, and gave all those bennies to the druggests.

Yep, fuckin bush haters are just killin me, bush did it.

"I don't see America having problems," President Bush said during an interview with Bob Costas of NBC as he attended the Summer Olympics.

"I don't see America having problems,"

The real question is does he even see America?

It must be nice. What an out of touch douche bag. The grey poupon jokes are no longer funny.

I find it funny that you find it humorous about the ignorant optimism of the president but still hammer the left.

Posted by moneywar

You do understand that this was an interview with Bob Costas at the Olympics right? This wasn't Tom Brokaw interviewing him at a G8 meeting.

Costas was making China sound like our new lord and masters and America a heaping pile of Liberals... err... shit. Costas was overexaggerating, maybe the President was returning the favor.

But still I find it funny that when someone shows optimism and national pride the Left has to come flying in and put on their best "Debbie Downer" impersonation...

That's all for me tonight... time to get dinner on...

Later queer-mos...

And Dubya may superficially care because he has some sense that he should but he doesn't care enough to work hard or consider he may be wrong or jeapordize the amount of money his friends are making over there...... He cares on the same superficial level that he's regligious.

So had Bush signed a bill giving all americans free healthcare, free college tuition, tax any corporations which made a profit, shut down our factories and manufactoring until global warmimg is under control, freed every detainee in Gitmo, alocated billions of dollars to Africa for fighting aids, pulled all troops from Iraq, dropped into New Orleans and fed and housed the Katrina victims, relieved every homeowner from making their mortgage payments... Everyone of you whiners would still complain about your worthless crappy cards life dealt you.If it was sunny you would complain there is no rain. If it was dark when you woke up you would complain about daylight savings. Seems to me based on the fucking pissing and moaning I read everyday nothng would make you happy. Maybe life should challenge all you snivelers. Give you a reminder how good most of you have it as an american. Because the way I see it the POTUS does not sign my paycheck, does not tell me how hard or how many hours to work, does not cook my meals, walk my dog, pay my bills, bait my hook, tee up my ball, pay for my massages, keep me in good health. If any of you are fat who do you blame? If any of you are struggling financially who do you blame? If your kids are failures or uneducated or incarcerated, who do you blame? Here is a hint LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR. Bush was correct. Americans as a nation are fine. But listening to the dems over the last few years and the fact you buy into this victimization created by the repubs shows your true colors.

Crispee,

Kudos to you for post of the year!!!!

Now get ready to be lambasted by the very same sniveling losers you just described.

"Oh...my...God. Please help us.

How much longer must we suffer under this stooge.

Posted by CalifChris "

Yes. Dear god, when is Bob Costas' contract up??

My point is and has been on this thread that the ghettos are a shitty existance.

For some, spending a coupla days in Ford Field, the Astrodome, or whatever would be an improvement over their current living conditions.

Sully mentions private toilets? LOL. In Detroit private toilets for some of these people are an alley where one can squat with some degree of privacy and hopefully they have a discarded oily rag to wipe their ass with.

You wanna rip Babs as elitist, uncaring or whatever? Fine.
That said, her comments hit pretty close to home, much moreso than many of you are willing to admit.

Before Jeff J said this and proved how out of touch he is I was thinking he might be Eminem

Actually, it is you who is out-of-touch. All I have proven is that I've spent time and witnessed firsthand the areas which I choose to comment about.

Now get ready to be lambasted by the very same sniveling losers you just described.

Posted by eberly at 2008-08-11 05:58 PM

Doing so would just prove the point. Reminds me of a Scott Hoch quip. If Scott Hoch found a million dollars in the fairway he would complain and ask why wasn't it two?

Best of all possible worlds, baby. No need to change anything. Everything's just great.

Best of all possible worlds, baby. No need to change anything. Everything's just great.

Amen to that. Too bad that is a minority fact based on all the woes I read here.

"Actually, it is you who is out-of-touch. All I have proven is that I've spent time and witnessed firsthand the areas which I choose to comment about."

Why because you drive by the houses and speculate on whether crack is sold there or not? And you know that ghettos are bad places to live. That is all you've said.

Poor people still don't like to be uprooted even if they live in a ghetto. They don't like to be housed like cattle on a field, despite your repeated assertion to the contrary. They treasure the few possessions they have and do not think "Oh well all my stuff was shit anyway" when they lose it. Anyone who would call refugees better off is an out of touch imbecile. That you have no idea how ridiculous you're being is astounding to me.

"So had Bush signed a bill giving all americans free healthcare, free college tuition, tax any corporations which made a profit,.... blah blah blah, big strawman bullshit, blah blah"

Crispee - I was complaining about Bush being too lazy and uncaring to properly plan the war in Iraq and Americans dying as a result. I'm "whining" about him throwing away lives.

If you care to tell me its OK to not plan a war if you are CIC or if you want to argue that Bush did his job in that regard, I'm all ears.

But we both know you can't do that. So shut it.

"Sully mentions private toilets? LOL. In Detroit private toilets for some of these people are an alley where one can squat with some degree of privacy and hopefully they have a discarded oily rag to wipe their ass with. "

The Katrina refugees lived in houses with toilets. You can't even be honest and make your point. That should be the first clue that you're wrong.

Bush: 'I Don't See America Having Problems'

If you care to tell me its OK to not plan a war if you are CIC or if you want to argue that Bush did his job in that regard, I'm all ears.

But we both know you can't do that. So shut it.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 06:29

If you care to tell me yours or my qualifications to plan a war I am all ears. But you nor I can so one of us should shut the fuck up. Right Sully? Read the thread. AS A NATION. Not individual lives Right Sully? Do you really have it that bad? Do you really blame it all on the Iraq war? Would the quick success and withdrawal from Iraq made you or your life any different today? Or do you simply follow the sheeps who keep claiming their lives became fucked up overnight when Bush was elected?

That should be the first clue that you're wrong.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 06:31 PM

He may be wrong in your opinion but he has more class than you ever will. I don't remember him calling Barbara Bush a cunt because of a possible mis-construed statement. That was three years ago. What does that have to do with the thread?

"If you care to tell me yours or my qualifications to plan a war I am all ears. But you nor I can so one of us should shut the fuck up. Right Sully? Read the thread. AS A NATION. Not individual lives Right Sully? Do you really have it that bad? Do you really blame it all on the Iraq war? Would the quick success and withdrawal from Iraq made you or your life any different today? Or do you simply follow the sheeps who keep claiming their lives became fucked up overnight when Bush was elected?"

Guy, there was NO plan for Iraq once Saddam was toppled despite the fact that we planned on being there. I don't need to be an exper to criticize Bush for not doing ANYTHING to plan for this. Send a bunch of college kids to run ministries and assume Iraqis are just going to go along with whatever they say. That's pathetic. People have died because he is lazy and careless. He deserves blame for that whether you want to ignore it or not. And where did I say everything that is wrong in this country has to do with Iraq? And where did I say my life is fucked up? You're a fool.

"He may be wrong in your opinion but he has more class than you ever will."

Now YOU'RE talking about class? Eveyrone here knows you're a scumbag.

"Would the quick success and withdrawal from Iraq have made your life any different....?"

What a strange question. Of course it would have. I would have attended one less funeral, and would not have had to be guilty about not attending another.

Looks like were back to that neocon idea that we may as well have wars because they really only exist in some strange nth dimension.

Bush is as about as detested as a leader can be without being a mass murderer such as Stalin. "Slovenly" comes to mind; "trivial" also.

So superficial he demeans the personal sacrifices made as a result of his orders. Not the worst president imaginable but certainly the worst in my lifetime and the worst I hope to see before I die.

Now YOU'RE talking about class? Eveyrone here knows you're a scumbag.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 07:10 PM |

As a scumbag I have enough class to not call any woman much less the former first lady a cunt. Right?

You chose to respond to my post using Iraq. Right fool?

Here it is again. Which is why I posed the question about Iraq. Right?

Crispee - I was complaining about Bush being too lazy and uncaring to properly plan the war in Iraq and Americans dying as a result. I'm "whining" about him throwing away lives.

If you care to tell me its OK to not plan a war if you are CIC or if you want to argue that Bush did his job in that regard, I'm all ears.

But we both know you can't do that. So shut it.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 06:29 PM

Interesting comment from Bush considering...

when you tune in Ann Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh, O' Reilley (sp?), Malkin and the rest of the pack all they do day in day out is complain about America and what they see as problems.

Piss 'n' moan and bad-mouth America and its citizens and make a great career out of it.

Somebody tell Bush.

JOHN, I can tell you this, Limbaugh (as an example) thinks he's a genius when he identifies a problem with a America, but he considers liberals nasty, nasty beings for doing the same.

"You chose to respond to my post using Iraq. Right fool?"

Your oringal comment to me was in response to a post I made about Iraq. You just advertised that you didn't even know what you were talking about.

"As a scumbag I have enough class to not call any woman much less the former first lady a cunt. Right? "

Only a rotten cunt would have toured the Astrodome and came away saying those people, who lost what little they had and in some cases lost family members, were better off because they were poor already. So I said so. I could care less about your phoney morality in regards to using that word.

Sully,

Mea Culpa for being such a dick earlier.

Given the position I was taking (and still take) coupled with the fact that Babs' comment wasn't likely predicated on firsthand experience as my comments were - I was a dick.

Sorry bro, you've earned better treatement.

I've personally witnessed Detroit 'residents' take a dump in an alley.

the snowball is starting to roll downhill

Are we rolling down hill like a snowball headed for hell?
With no kind of chance for the Flag or the Liberty bell.
Wish a Ford and a Chevy,
Could still last ten years, like they should.
Is the best of the free life behind us now?
Are the good times really over for good?
Regards to "I'll fix your flat tire" Merle Haggard

Seems the '70's all over again. It over for good then,
But remember,
One day it will be.

Jeff - I realize that I started in with being a dick so I don't blame you for responding in the same manner you were addressed. Without going into it, my opinion is also based on experience and I really can't see where you are coming from on this. This topic touches on some real pet peeves of mine - to put it mildly - but I should have taken into account that you are one of the few reasonable people here before flying off the handle.

No problemo, Sully.

Obviously, this is a hot topic for both of us.

I still can't believe that I threatened to kick your ass - I always thought of myself to be above internet braggadocio, Frank Cotton spoofs notwithstanding.

Regardless, I fired the first, second and third salvo before you responded - this one is on me.

Best regards,

Jeff

Only the left are wringing their hands--is it perfect--no.

But as usual the left just hate it when Bush talks--no matter what he says..

As for the comment from Barbara Bush over Katrina--

Barbara Bush on Hurricane Katrina Refugees
Thursday September 8, 2005
It is, without doubt, the quote of the hour a remark attributed to ex-first lady and mother-of-the-president Barbara Bush during a visit to the Hurricane Katrina refugee shelter in the Houston Astrodome:
What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.
Some folks are loathe to believe she actually said this. As one reader wrote, "I would like to see the transcript, hear the video, see something other than this [email] to confirm what Barbara Bush reportedly said. I find this difficult to believe, as she is a compassionate and caring person and was a wonderful first lady (regardless of opinions about her husband or son)."

The fact is, she did say it, during a question-and-answer session with a reporter for "Marketplace," a program aired on National Public Radio. Audio recordings of both the finished segment and the original, unedited interview are available online.

In fairness, the comment heard on the radio was extracted from a lengthier exchange in which Mrs. Bush also expressed compassion for the Katrina refugees she encountered. But that hasn't stopped critics of the Bush administration from comparing it to Marie Antoinette's alleged response to the complaints of the poor and dispossessed on the eve of the French Revolution: "If they have no bread, let them eat cake."

White House press secretary Scott McClellan defended Mrs. Bush's comments thus: "I think that the observation is based on someone or some people that were talking to her that were in need of a lot of assistance, people that have gone through a lot of trauma and been through a very difficult and trying time. And all of a sudden, they are now getting great help in the state of Texas from some of the shelters."

Name calling over this?

That would be just like Stalin saying "I don't see Russia having any murderous "purges"!

Your oringal comment to me was in response to a post I made about Iraq. You just advertised that you didn't even know what you were talking about.

"As a scumbag I have enough class to not call any woman much less the former first lady a cunt. Right? "

Only a rotten cunt would have toured the Astrodome and came away saying those people, who lost what little they had and in some cases lost family members, were better off because they were poor already. So I said so. I could care less about your phoney morality in regards to using that word.

Posted by Sully at 2008-08-11 08:04 PM |

My original post to you? You responded to my post and I answered. Your response ONLY included Iraq. Nothing else right? What was I to make of it when that is what you wrote? Get the order straight before whining about not being understood. As for your on going remarks about Barbara Bush, I stand by my assertion about you having no class when you call any woman a cunt. Ask your wife or mother

Talking about phony morality? Give me a break. BTW... This happened almost three years ago and has ZERO to do with the thread. Just another opportunity to show your love for Bush. As though it really matters what the thread may be.

Here is a hint LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR. Bush was correct.

I think you are living in the past. Not only are the odds completely stacked against the average tax paying citizen but we are also playing on a rigged table.

THE NEW AND IMPROVED AMERICAN DREAM:

Fuck as many people as you can without getting caught and pay as little taxes as possible and rub elbows with a lobbyist or crooked police chief.

THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM!

I think you are living in the past. Not only are the odds completely stacked against the average tax paying citizen but we are also playing on a rigged table.

I am a average tax paying citizen. But that is not the thread. As an american we have it pretty fucking good in my opinion. So I agree with Bush and don't see America having a problem. Sorry.

America has been successful because it offers a realistic shot at a better life. America has been successful because poverty has been a stage, not a fate. America has been successful because anyone can ascend the ladder and transcend their birth.--
George W. Bush 2000 campaign

See Jeff, the people suffering in Detroit, (and from Katrina) are just going through a stage.

But make no mistake: In my administration, low-income Americans will have access to high-quality health care.--
George W. Bush 2000 campaign
This as a woman died while waiting in a emergency room

As an avid outdoorsman, I know all our prosperity as a nation will mean little if we leave future generations a world of polluted air, toxic waste, and vanished wilderness and forests.--
George W. Bush
So let's exploit the DNR

Crispee,
The problem with your 5:53 post is that when a person, running from the highest elected office in the nation, promises life will be better, and doesn't follow through, people do get upset. Now, the fact that the interview should have been a fluff piece, it bothers me a whole lot that the president stepped into that question. Even the president conceded the country was going through a difficult time a month ago.
We, as a nation, are not fine. We, as a nation, would rather wait out the worst presidency in history, than to progress with impeachment.
We, as a nation, sit by and watch other rulers be tried for war crimes who have committed far less than our own. We, as a nation, have watched as our Constitution has been tossed aside in the name of 'freedom'.
We, as a nation, elected this person, and this congress.

I'm sure after Jan you won't hear things like recession or quagmire anymore.

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2008-08-11 06:57 AM | Reply | Flag

Are you kidding me?

They'll be the new talking points/buzzwords on FAUX News.

You shit-dicks will pretend it was Obama that started the war and try your best to erase the memory of the man who will go down in history as the greatest Presidential failure of all time....Bush.

What I see is a divided nation clearly in big trouble. It is like we are watching two different movies. I see unemployment, housing foreclosures, high gas prices (altho with election coming, they are now getting lower.) I see a nation that has lost all countries respect. I see an Iraq war that is getting a little better,(after thousands of our people were killed or maimed.) I see many families living on the street. MAny veterans living on the street. Infrastructure crumbling nationwide, extremely poor medical care for our vets and a president that continues to vote against giving vets their due. I see a deficit that is almost insurmountable, New Orleans unconcern for our Americans,health care and medicine out of reach for people,and I could go on and on but you would get tired of reading it. Is this man crazy? Oh, that's right , he doesn't read the newspapers,(or anything else). I see Halliburton and lying and cover ups I get so angry with that snob!

So I agree with Bush and don't see America having a problem. Sorry.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-08-11 10:06 PM | Reply

So according to Crispee OC--
Massive debt--no problem

War for nothing--no problem

rising unemployment--no problem

and on and on.

You are the problem Crispee OC. Your support and that of millions like you, caused these problems--you--not Bush--and not democrats--you and you alone.

We, as a nation, are not fine. We, as a nation, would rather wait out the worst presidency in history, than to progress with impeachment.

How would impeachment help? seriously? Can any lefty answer this?

"So I agree with Bush and don't see America having a problem."

You are both idiots.

In 1908, One hundred years ago.
Here are some statistics for the Year 1908 :

The average life expectancy was 47 years.

Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.

Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.

There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles Of paved roads.

More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.

Ninety percent of all doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION! Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which Were condemned in the press AND the government as 'substandard. '

Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

Five leading causes of death were:
1 Pneumonia and influenza
2. Tuberculosis
3. Diarrhea
4. Heart disease
5. Stroke

We realy have it tough today!

People who never want to improve are losers.

People who think it is OK to keep borrowing and spending indefinitely are deadbeats.

People who don't want to identify trends that may indicate future problems are ignorant.

You are the problem Crispee OC. Your support and that of millions like you, caused these problems--you--not Bush--and not democrats--you and you alone.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-08-12 08:23 AM

Wow. I caused these problems? Is it my financial support via paying taxes? Is it my moral support by not echoing every vile, hateful, disrespectful post about Republicans and so called neocons? Am I unknowingly channeling energy from Orange County to the minds of the decision makers in Washington DC? Is it because I don't go out and protest carrying signs? I guess only in America can a scumbag and an idiot have this much power. Of course these same posters here always show knowlwedge, insight and a overall respective, open minded position. They all seem to lead positive, successful, enriching lives. Maybe I should think about a political shift. Maybe that would take some of the burden off my shoulders for the last seven years? I wondered why they seemed to be sagging.

people who had just watched their friends and neighbors fucking drown. Idiot.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-08-11 04:22 PM

I believe the proper grammar should be:

"neighbors drown. Fucking idiot."

Fifty years ago MAD Magazine gave us the "What Me Worry" President. The Nation magazine morphed Shrub into Alfred E. Neuman before our very eyes and now Shrub is the incarnation of their sarcasm and humor.

Ignorance is bliss.

MAD and Mencken are prophetically wise.

I don't appreciate the homophobic insults from COMMONSENSE, who is supposed to be on my side. Guess I don't have a side, may as well vote for McKinney and screw all you phoney do gooders. Phil Ochs was right in "Love Me, I'm A Liberal."

ANYONE that can't be successful in the United States is either lazy, stupid, or both. Please don't respond with the old tired "two America" crap.. that's as phony as its chief evangelist John Edwards..

Our small company is having a terrible time hiring entry level engineers at starting pay (this is straight out of college) of $50K and we're in Atlanta, which is not an especially high cost of living area. The competition for talented educated people is incredible, and every company that I know of is having the same problem. These kids get offers like you couldn't believe from all over.

I have a friend that owns a computer repair business, and he's paying his repair techs, starting pay of $35 per hour.. plus a ton of benefits.. and they get stolen from him by competitors all the time..

THAT is the reality of business in the US.. not the crap you see on the news..

The housing market is down.. big deal, it goes in cycles.. and people that are dumb enough to sign up for mortgages they can't afford deserve the consequences.. the taxpayers should not be bailing them out.. (and I feel the same about Fannie Mae)

The Automobile industry is suffering, and it was inevitable. killed by unions, government regulation and taxation.. it will correct.. in the meantime.. the clueless union members should learn that driving a forklift truck isn't worth $40 an hour.. and learn to do something that is..

The unemployment rate that we have now was touted as a big success back during the Clinton years.. but somehow now, it's supposed to be bad.

Bush was exactly right.. and we do not want or need presidents that spout anti-american doom and gloom.. which is exactly what His Holiness BHO will do if elected..

This is a great country.. even with the left wing nuts living among us, (especially the unemployed momma's boys that evidently spend all day on the drudge site.. "we hate Bush, we hate Bush"...

Get a job.

How would impeachment help? seriously? Can any lefty answer this?

Posted by eberly at 2008-08-12 08:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps it would show the world that while we think lying about a blowjob is bad, we also think lying to justify a war is also a crime.

Nobody died just because Bubba got a hummer.

This is a great country.. even with the left wing nuts living among us, (especially the unemployed momma's boys that evidently spend all day on the drudge site.. "we hate Bush, we hate Bush"...

Get a job.

Posted by nmg_no at 2008-08-12 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

....and yet HERE YOU ARE....ON the DR.

THESE POSTS ARE THE BEST!!

These self-deprecating-without-even-
knowing-it posts are funny.

and yet HERE YOU ARE....ON the DR.

THESE POSTS ARE THE BEST!!

These self-deprecating-without-even-
knowing-it posts are funny.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-08-12 11:28 AM

Here's an original thought I haven't heard before:

Nobody died just because Bubba got a hummer.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-08-12 11:26 AM |

Bush: "I don't see America having problems,"

Which, of course, is EXACTLY the problem!

"How would impeachment help? seriously? Can any lefty answer this?"

Eberly:

The purpose of impeaching Bush would be threefold:

1) It would be the first stage in the process of removing him from office (the second is a trial in the Senate, which results in removal from office if found guilty).

2) It establishes the resolve of Americans to be led by competent and reasonably law-abiding leaders, in a way that no amount of political double-thinking denial can get around, creating incentive for politicians at all levels to be more responsive and responsible to constituents.

3) It creates positive precedent for future Presidents, holding them to a high standard of integrity and performance, as opposed to what is happening, which is the creation of precedents permitting a President to hold himself above the law.

The biggest mistake this country ever made - up to now - was permitting the resignation and pardoning of Richard M. Nixon. That set the stage for what we're going through nowadays, because Bush has excellent reason to figure that he'll be dealt with pretty lightly no matter what he's done or failed to do. Had their been an old AP or UPI photo of Nixon scowling his way through a perp walk - or better yet, from behind bars - I don't think the Chimp in Charge's temerity would have reached anything like its current epic proportions.

If we do not rein Bush in and make him accountable, we're going to lose this country as we've known it, because future leaders will have license to do everything Bush has done, and to add more to it.

You asked.

Crispy Creme,

your mother should have taught you if you make a mess clean it up. this obviously does not apply to you or your beloved George Bush.

Can the guy show himself to be any more clueless?

NMGO NO,

Unable to see the elephant in the room, a duopoly fed by an oligarchy, you blame everything on unions, regulation and taxes. GM and Toyota are full of smart people, the difference is GM's management is worries about the price of its stock and related bonuses. Toyota's management is focused on building economy cars of consistent quality, as taught to them by an American Professor shortly after WWII.

This country is overfinancialized and severely in debt on many levels. Our Government is drowning in corruption, waste and incompetence. The oligarchy is loving every minute of it.

ANYONE that can't be successful in the United States is either lazy, stupid, or both.

Posted by nmg_no at 2008-08-12 11:23 AM |

Wouldn't it be nice if people who make dumb-ass statements like this would be the recipient of a front end car crash or a stroke that left them permanently parylized or maybe raped as a child or born with a brain defect that impaired their ability to rationalize or funtion properly in society and then watch them make asshole statements like this one?

Can you believe people can be this fucking ignorant and stupid?

I don't appreciate the homophobic insults from COMMONSENSE, who is supposed to be on my side. Guess I don't have a side, may as well vote for McKinney and screw all you phoney do gooders. Phil Ochs was right in "Love Me, I'm A Liberal."

Posted by mrbgoode at 2008-08-12 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

On your side?

WTF are you talking about?

I'm on MY side and that's all.

Nobody died just because Bubba got a hummer.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-08-12 11:26 AM |

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-08-12 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Truth stings a bit, don't it?

Making light of the fact that Clinton's lie didn't kill 4200+ soldiers is the neo-con way of saying 'we support the troops......right up until they need care and then fuck 'em, they volunteered"

Ahem. Tom Lehrer sang "Love me, I'm a liberal." Tom felt we weren't lib enough. herm

Present Bush is correct we live in the greatest country and time of prosperity ever imagined. Yet you whiney bunch of liberals do nothing but complain. "My daddy had to file bankruptcy"--, well that was because he was in debt stupid. "I lost my house"--, well maybe you bought too much house for your budget stupid. "The economy is bad"--, this one is my favorite. Since GWB took office the stock market has increased 64% and income, across all wage levels, has increased 30%. You bunch of whiners, read the excerpt of an interesting article below if you can read after coming out of our socialist public school system.
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Weve all witnessed the tendency to take a boon for granted. Being accustomed to a provision naturally leads the human heart to consider that provision an entitlement. Hence the not-infrequent lawsuits from prison inmates cruelly denied their rights to cable TV or apple brown betty for desert.
And so it goes, I think, with capitalism generally.
Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude.
People ask, Why is there poverty in the world?-- Its a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition. It is the factory preset of this mortal coil. As individuals and as a species, we are born naked and penniless, bereft of skills or possessions. Likewise, in his civilizational infancy man was poor, in every sense. He lived in ignorance, filth, hunger and pain, and he died very young, either by violence or disease.

In large measure our wealth isnt the product of capitalism, it is capitalism.
And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual.
These complaints grow loudest at times like this: when the loom of capitalism momentarily stutters in spinning its gold. Suddenly, the people ask: What have you done for me lately? Politicians croon about how we need to give in to Causes Larger than ourselves and peck about like hungry chickens for a New Way to replace dying capitalism.
..This is the patient leaping to embrace the disease and reject the cure. Recessions are fewer and weaker thanks in part to trade, yet whenever recessions appear on the horizon, politicians dive into their protectionist bunkers. Not surprising that this week we saw the demise of the Doha round of trade negotiations, and this campaign season weve heard the thunder of anti-trade rhetoric move ever closer.
This is the irony of capitalism. It is not zero-sum, but it feels like it is. Capitalism coordinates humanity toward peaceful, productive cooperation, but it feels alienating. Collectivism does the opposite, at least when dreamed up on paper. The communes and collectives imploded in inefficiency, drowned in blood. The kibbutz lives on only as a tourist attraction, a baseball fantasy camp for nostalgic socialists. Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty.
And yet the children of capitalism still whine.
The Spoiled Children of Capitalism
by Jonah Goldberg

Posted by disgusted at 2008-08-12 04:28 AM

I see a nation that has lost all countries respect...
I see an Iraq war that is getting a little better
I see many families living on the street.
MAny veterans living on the street.
Infrastructure crumbling nationwide
extremely poor medical care for our vets and a president that continues to vote against giving
vets their due.

************
You sure see a lot there, either you are a god or you are going out and looking for only the bad. I suspect it is the later.

Oh, BTW a little Civics lesson, Presidents don't vote. That is congresses job and that body is controlled by democrats and they have not passed a vet bill in the two years they have been in charge. In fact they havent passed anything useful except to name a few buildings. So, get off your soapbox and look in the mirror instead and you will see and idiot.

It is oxymoronic to think everyone can be rich if they just work hard and smart. That will never happen because rich is relative and if everyone were rich inflation would return them to their present state. It is also true that we have it better than the majority of people in the world. It is also true that we are not as prosperous as we were during the fifites and sixties. Our leadership dropped the ball by failing to continue the development of our manufacturing sector and driving the country into bankruptcy.

Blaming individuals for borrowing more than they can pay back is absurd. Wages have been falling for thirty years and 90% of personal bankruptcies are triggered by health problems and divorce.

Our Government is a far worse offender. Corruption, manifested as collusion between the Military Industrial Complex and the Federal Government is the heart of all our problems. A case can be made that NeoCons are deliberately deliberately bankrupting our once great nation in order to destroy Social Security. The Bush Family has sought to destroy Social Security since the moment it was established. Its formation was the reason Prescott Bush conspired to drive Rossevelt out of office by Military Force.

nutsack,

can you prove any of this? Please do.

"I don't see America having problems," President Bush said during an interview with Bob Costas of NBC...

Hasn't Dumbya looked in a mirror since he was appointed back in 2000?

A book documenting Prescott's Crimes is available all over Europe, but not in this country. Good old U-Tube has a clip about it.

When are you morons going to get off that stupid "appointed" crap. First it shows what pathetic sheep you are for just following the DNC cheer. It also shows how ignorant you are because you don't understand government or the constitution.

I know the constitution is just inconvenient to you libs, but get over it.

"I don't see America having problems," President Bush said during an interview with Bob Costas of NBC...

Hasn't Dumbya looked in a mirror since he was appointed back in 2000?

Posted by Gabe at 2008-08-13 11:31 AM

When are you morons going to get off that stupid "appointed" crap. First it shows what pathetic sheep you are for just following the DNC cheer. It also shows how ignorant you are because you don't understand government or the constitution.

I know the constitution is just inconvenient to you libs, but get over it.

Posted by Mutt at 2008-08-13 11:45 AM

OK, Mutt, change "...was appointed..." to "...took office...". Now that your outrage has been mollified, want to address my point that Bush is the problem?

"It also shows how ignorant you are because you don't understand government or the constitution."

I understand a modicum about government and the constitution, so doesn't it bother you, as an American, of all groups the Department of Justice has admitted it's been lying to you? And do you believe the political party in power should only hire loyalists for career government positions?

Gabe,

I would be glad to if you made a point. All you said is that Bush is the problem, can you be a little more vague please.

and Danforth, I don't understand what the hell you are trying to say.

And do you believe the political party in power should only hire loyalists for career government positions?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-08-13 11:58 AM

Oh, I get it you mean like the fact that Clinton appointed 374 Federal Judges a total of 47.9% of all active Judges and all of them were party hacks. Is that what you mean?

"Danforth, I don't understand what the hell you are trying to say."

The USAs were fired because of incompetence...wait, no...they were fired because of...

We don't know who compiled that list.

We don't know why that list was compiled.

Three lies, still on the table, from---of all entities---The Department of Justice. Okay by you?

And how do you feel about the party in power only appointing loyalists to posts specifically meant to be apolitical?

I don't believe you brought that up. Bush's AG fired 8 attorneys that were not performing well.

However, Mr. Hubbll Associate Attorney General in the Justice Department when Janet Reno, his nominal superior, simultaneously fired all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993. Ms. Reno--or Mr. Hubbell--gave them 10 days to move out of their offices.

So, why is it a problem for Bushs AG to fire 8 people. But Clintons AG can fire the whole damn lot of them and that is not an issue.

"Is that what you mean?"

No. I mean the jobs in civil service the manual specifically says shouldn't be appointed based on political leanings, yet this administration testified they were appointing based on political leanings. Is that how you want your government run?

Read my previous post DA DANFORTH (BTW DA is not district attorney)

Back to my 12:21 post.

Mr. Hubbll was a business associate of the Clintons before he was elected president. Not only is that appointing based on political leanings but a good example of the good-ol-boy network as well.

"Read my previous post "

I did. You didn't address my issues. Care to, or would you just prefer ignoring them an calling me names?

"Nobody died just because Bubba got a hummer."

I agree with this but by the logic some people on this site use, the blowjob did contribute to American deaths.

Whenever I say that Clinton didn't do anything serious to address Al Queda's multiple attacks during his presidency, someone like Danni inevitably says "Well he couldn't send troops to Afghanistan because the GOP would have said he was trying to distract the country from their stupid blowjob hearings...."

So by that logic, Clinton's blowjob is a huge part of the reason we ignored Al Queda for years and years before 9/11 and we all know how that worked out.....

I personally don't think the blowjob had anything to do with Clinton's negligence but some people obviously do....

Sully,

Could you do your job if you had to come up with $50 million to defend yourself against a perjury charge? In our 200 year history there has never been a prosecution of a public official for such nonsense, while in office. All Clinton requested was that Paula Jones stupid lawsuit that she lost be set aside until he had finished his term. But NO, Rehnquist and other SCOTUS scum authorized it for partisan reasons.

Yet, Clinton did more against al Qaida under those circumstances than Bush has done to date. He successfully prosecuted the first WTC attackers, hit al Qaida Camps with cruise missiles and built the military Shrub used to foolishly attack Iraq with.

Meanwhile, Shrub vacationed in Crawford after repeated warnings of an immenent terrorist attack, read My Pet Goat ran and hid in an undisclosed location in the aftermath. He has long since given up on capturing binLaden, from wanted dead or alive to declaring he really isn't that important and he doesn't think about all that much. After all it was binLaden's Daddy, that funded Prescott Bush's rise in power and fortune.

Our worthless National Security Advisor, Condi Rice, didn't give one hoot about al Qaida, even though Sandy Berger warned her they should occupy most of her time. That's because she was hell bent on breaking existing treaties with the Russians in order to install antiballistic missiles in Eastern Europe. Even as Secretary of State taking on Russia seems to be her overriding mission.

It can be said with absolute cetainty that the White House has an agenda which has absolutely nothing to do with the health and prosperity of this nation and its people.

Nutcase,

Oh My God. Do you sleep with an alumnium foil hat on to keep the CIA from reading your brainwaves?

Holy crap!

Danforth,

You didn't raise any damn issues. It was just liberal right-brained blathering. Would you please make a coherent point and I will answer it.

"You didn't raise any damn issues. It was just liberal right-brained blathering."

Translation: The answers would make me rethink my position, so I'm going to close my eyes and pretend I'm invisible.

The Department of Justice is, by their own admission, lying to the American public. They also purposefully put only loyalists in jobs which aren't supposed to be staffed that way, according to the government's own guidelines.

If you believe either to be untrue, say it. Otherwise, let us know if you believe government should be run that way.

The simple answer is no I don't agree.

First what are they lying about and show proof. Second be sure you know the difference between lying and keeping need to know information hidden by misleading the public. The latter has been going on for 200 years.

As for your second claim I am a civil servant, and I have a copy of the CFRs covering this issue and I can find no "rules" that state what the political beliefs of political appointments should be. If you have the revision, chapter and paragraph that makes you point please name it.

Sorry, I also need the CFR number.

"Could you do your job if you had to come up with $50 million to defend yourself against a perjury charge? In our 200 year history there has never been a prosecution of a public official for such nonsense, while in office. All Clinton requested was that Paula Jones stupid lawsuit that she lost be set aside until he had finished his term. But NO, Rehnquist and other SCOTUS scum authorized it for partisan reasons. "

Um, well if the blowjob was no big deal, why did he lie about it? If he would have come clean instead of lying about something so stupid, he could have done his job. You see, as bad as the Republicans were on this, I don't give him "credit" for being in a position that made his job difficult when he created the situation in the first place. Call me crazy.....

"Yet, Clinton did more against al Qaida under those circumstances than Bush has done to date. "

So by your theory 0 > 0?

sully,

Obviously he thought the personal intrusion would go away, since there has never been such intense meddling in the private affairs of a public official in our entire history. Stupid in hindsight sure, but odds were definately in his favor. 95% of Washington has cheated on their wives, Utah excepted because they already fondle extras.

Its a little late to be blaming Clinton for anything. But if you want to measure effectiveness, rather than just action, you're quite right in both cases. All I said was Clinton took more action, without speaking to the results.

"Obviously he thought the personal intrusion would go away, since there has never been such intense meddling in the private affairs of a public official in our entire history. Stupid in hindsight sure, but odds were definately in his favor."

He was messing around in the Oval Office with a government intern. So he chose to blur the line between public and private. Once he was pretty much caught red handed, he should have come clean. Some people are just too used to getting away with stuff to realize when they are caught.

"All I said was Clinton took more action, without speaking to the results."

Debatable. They attacked us and Clinton lobbed a few missiles that hit nothing. He persued a couple of other avenues that never went anywhere. 9/11 was a much more serious attack and Bush did mount a big response at first and then left them off the hook to screw around in Iraq for no reason. So Bush's response was greater but it was in response to a much bigger incident. I don't believe either of them took the issue seriously and I said that about Clinton before 9/11 happened. It was forseeable and avoidable.

Anyway, being better than Bush is by no means a measure for competence.

Daniforth,

You are way out in the weeds on this one. You point me to a gerneral HR memo for NON-Career employees of the DOJ that says they can't use their position to try to influence elections or conduct political activities while an emplyee of DOJ. I am under the same rules at HUD, this is just a subset of 5 CFR 734.

Now, trying to use this to say that an employee of DOJ that is not doing there job, which is what Gonzolas said, can not be fired. That is the most assinine argument I ever heard.

Do you think that all companies should disclose their "lists" of employees that may be fired because of poor performance. If you do then you think you are a lot more important than you are. If this were to happen liberals would be screaming about invasion of privacy.

So, given this is your reason for assuming somthing is going on. Then explain why it is okay for Clinton's AG to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993. That is every damn US attorney in the country. Did you want to see a list then, did you care that they mounted what amounted to a political coup of the Justice department. All just before the whitewater scandal broke. Now isn't that interesting.

In case you were still in diapers then and don't remember Whitewater a short decription follows. Vince Foster who had information about this deal was found dead a few days before he was to testify. It was ruled a sucicide (my ass). The the documents that he had were removed from his privite residence and given to Hillary Clinton. Around this same time Janet Reno Fires every Attorney in country and Clinton replaced them with political hacks that he owed favors from when he was governor of AK.

But you don't seem to be bothered by that, hmm. I know, for democrates it is do as I say not as I do.
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The Whitewater controversy (also called the Whitewater scandal, or often simply Whitewater) was an American political controversy that began with the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s.

David Hale, the source of criminal allegations against President Bill Clinton in the Whitewater affair, claimed in November 1993 that Bill Clinton, while governor of Arkansas, pressured him to provide an illegal $300,000 loan to Susan McDougal, the partner of the Clintons in the Whitewater land deal

-wiki-

Iraq is something, Whitewater is nothing. Real Estate investment is always risky and the profit motive is the only reason to participate. BFD.

Oh, and had the Clinton's completely politicized the DOJ, they could never have prosecuted him. But they didn't did they. Just ask the Ex-Governor of Mississippi. Fucking Bush Crime Family.

"which is what Gonzolas said"

No, we were first told they were fired due to incompetence. Then the DOJ retracted that. They've yet to clarify.

"Then explain why it is okay for Clinton's AG to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993."

Don't be a putz, all Presidents fire USAs at the beginning of their term, as did Bush. But Bush also fired them in the middle. You're talking point has been long-debunked. Atop that, had the DOJ merely said they work at the pleasure of the President, it might have ended there. Instead, the DOJ said they were let go for performance reasons, which, when proven a lie (those dismissed had glowing reports), was retracted. The DOJ has yet to give a reason, but they retracted their own statement. You don't to that unless it's untrue.

This issue, for me, separates the patriots from the partisans. How can a true American stomach the Department of Justice lying to him? That's partisan hack territory. Anyone who believes we weren't lie to has his head in the sand.

"(Vince Foster's death) was ruled a sucicide (my ass)."

The police ruled it a suicide. A Republican-led investigation ruled it a suicide. A Bush DOJ-led investigation, under Gonzales, ruled it a suicide.

But Mutt knows better.

Yet another partisan hack issue. Even the Republicans admit it was a suicide, but that's not enough for the Koolaide Brigade.