Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, August 08, 2008

There is a long-running argument as to just what proportion of any commodity price movement can be traced to speculative activity by hedge funds and others, and what proportion to physical demand. But when the oil price swings up or down by $5 or more in a single day, you may be sure that the fluctuation is not being caused by a sheikh on one end of the line arguing with the manager of your local petrol station on the other: it is the financial parasites in between who are moving the market.

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We still need to drill...Drill...DRILL!

Drill everywhere!

I've never understood how one of the leading newspapers of the world could be so ignorant on markets. Fleet Street is just a few blocks from the London exchange--you'd think somebody would stroll over and ask to speak with a trader or two, to get an idea as to how the business works.

Obama was right. It was all bullshit speculation. When he called them on it they backed down.

We need to drill in the Rethugs heads to let some light in.

LOL. Uh huh. It was Obama!

He spake, and the markets, they did move. And the evil speculators were cast into the outer darkness, where there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

LOL. Uh huh. It was Obama!

Made as much sense as those who said Bush's comments about drilling brought an almost immediate drop in price.

LOL. Uh huh. It was Obama!

Posted by rightisright

They don't call him "The Chosen One" for nothing. His next miracle will be filling the crab pots with never before seen numbers on Sig Hansen's Northwestern.

They don't call him "The Chosen One" for nothing. His next miracle will be filling the crab pots with never before seen numbers on Sig Hansen's Northwestern.

Nope, his next accomplishment will be in swamping McCain and the GOP in November and relegating the Republicans straight to the back bench where they'll remain for the foreseeable future, not quite seen and very seldom heard.

Especially because the wheel's are coming off the Bush Administration's Trojan Horse called the Iraq War and the Bush Justice Department. Too many elves are saying too many damning things that are going to launch investigations, send people to jail and possibly even worse. This nation won't trust a Republican for at least a decade, and thats after the Boehner-led idiots are long gone and returned to the dung heaps from whence they slithered out from.

Too many elves are saying too many damning things that are going to launch investigations, send people to jail and possibly even worse.

Keep talking Tony...It is only the 5,000th time I've read that assertion here.

Interesting how you use the term "elves"

Could it be because even you don't even believe it?

They don't call him "The Chosen One" for nothing. His next miracle will be filling the crab pots with never before seen numbers on Sig Hansen's Northwestern.

Posted by wisgod at 2008-08-08 02:52 PM

plus we are all getting solar power and electric cars!

yeah!

oh... except wissy and RiR who will be in hiding taking Prozac for the next 8 years.

oh... except wissy and RiR who will be in hiding taking Prozac for the next 8 years.

Posted by donnerboy

Yeah, and I hope it doesn't interfere with us supporting his energy policy....checking tire pressure.

And the evil speculators were cast into the outer darkness...
Posted by rightisright

What??!? Why are so many Republicans moving to Detroit?

"...where there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth."

That's "wailing and gnashing of teeth".

I'm putting in one of Obama's solar panels. It'll cost me $15,000, and I'll be able to run my TV and one toaster for free for the next 20 years.

Only liberals 'wail', and make spectacles of themselves. Others of us are more circumspect and reserved in our suffering.

And it depends on the translation, wouldn't it? I just googled it, and learned that "weeping and gnashing of teeth" appears 7 times in the NT.

Enjoy the reprieve while it lasts. The dollar has no place to go but down.

This nation won't trust a Republican for at least a decade, and thats after the Boehner-led idiots are long gone and returned to the dung heaps from whence they slithered out from.

Wait till they've had four or eight years of Democrat rule. The voters see-saw back and forth only to get screwed every time.

Especially because the wheel's are coming off the Bush Administration's Trojan Horse called the Iraq War and the Bush Justice Department.

All the Messiah's horses and all the Messiah's men can't put Humpty-Dumpty back together again.

Welcome as it is, I fear the true reason is so that the Republicans can get us to FORGET before November.
FAT chance.

I had to read through a full three posts until politics reared its tired fucking head. You people are slipping.

And then there's the silverist, chicken littling as usual. "The dollar has no place to go but down"? Two years ago it was "housing prices can only go up." Who thinks its time to dump commodities?

We still need to do everything go solve our energy problems. If we don't this will come back and bit us in the ass.

Drill to keep things moving and explore all the other alternatives until we find what works. If drilling for oil is 3 to 5 years away, solar, or hydrogen cars, etc. are 10 to 15 years away. Nuclear is proven technology, let's start building those suckers.

I would even be for a tax on gas that would keep the price high (that has cut back on consumption) if the revenue can *only* be used to fund research and building new infrastructure (compressed natural gas stations, hydrogen stations, etc.).

This would be a reasonable approach.

Maybe Flop Ears suggestion about checking our tire pressure is working to drive the price of gas down. He could call it: "Blow up your tires to pop the oil and gas buuble".

Maybe Flop Ears suggestion about checking our tire pressure is working to drive the price of gas down

Posted by the resident fuckwadthom

Maybe you just had a coherent thought. Maybe something just clicked in that glob of jelly you call a brain.
Maybe, just maybe, that it stands to reason that inflating your tires to the proper pressure will give you better mileage. Funny how that is. I actually pump mine up five pounds over. You idiot righties cannot see the forest for the trees. If you want to win the election , you won't do it by being ignorant.

In order to do ANYTHING concerning OIL, Nancy Pelosi's fingers have to be pried from the House Chamber's Gavel. Effective energy policy died, January 20th, 2007 at 12:00!

Listen to the woman, she told her minions to LIE to their constituents, tell them they are for all types of energy production, including drilling for OIL. Anything to get us through the intervening 10 - 15 years til other, viable, sources come on line, and to get reelected!

She has, is, and will continue refusing to allow any energy bill to reach the House floor for debate and/or vote, unless it contains no oil exploration, because she is 'Saving the environment for the next generation'.

Given enough time this situation to perculate through the economy and leave an imprint, there may NOT be a next generation, especially if this one can't find viable work!

Mr Obama is thanking God, and Nancy Pelosi, for the cover provided to him on this issue. He can NOW say anything you want to hear on this matter, knowing full well, it just wont make ANY difference in the long run!

Nothing will be done without HER involvement and support, NOTHING!

If I go to hell, I'll probably meet Pelousy and showing respect for the fellow Drudgers, I promise to make her time miserable, in payment for the misery that my kinfolk will have to suffer for her pathetic service.

Pulling out the pit hairs one by one. heheh

DXLINGR-
Your "kinfolk"? What did Nancy Pelosi ever do to your "kinfolk"?

Seriously. Name your Nancy Pelosi grievance for you and your "kinfolk".

Name your Nancy Pelosi grievance for you and your "kinfolk".


She's a Democratic.

JeffJ-
That was funny. I'll even push the ff button.

Twice

Thanks, Bet.


Adding the "ic" on the end was a last second decision.

Oil Chart

Start to drill and the speculators sell as fast as they can. As things stand now, speculating on oil is a sure bet. There is no way you can lose. In Congress there is a group known as the "Progressive caucus" (that's communists for you folks that are slow on the uptake). They want to destroy the economy of the United States and bring about a Soviet world. That is why none of the global warming scam ever places any restrictions on Russia (the Soviet Union). In the meantime the Soviets drill, drill, drill. If they shut off energy supplies to Europe any demands they make will be met.

The oil bubble has burst in the short term; the traders running scared. But this won't work in the in the long run.

Only a comprehensive plan will addresss that.

The idea that high oil prices will be benefical for the world economy is ridiclous, only a plan that uses immediate drilling and strenghtened mpg strategies will work in the long run.

Oil most likely will drop down to $70 a barrel in 2009. But it will just trend higher long term after that. We still need to massively overhaul the US approach to oil. It's not cheap, it must be used efficiently and alternatives need to be seriously developed and put onto the grid.

hocico

The offshore drilling is not a solution at all. It's a spit in the bucket in a best case scenario. All it's there for is political reasons to make politicians look like they are trying to help when all they really are doing is trying to avoid the issue of securing energy stability for the future. Offshore drilling is a distraction from the real problem.

McCain really is a fucking clown for making this a big issue. I am also annoyed at Obama for not attacking the offshore drilling joke for what it really is, bullshit.

Burt=loon....

Hs anyone inflated their tires yet? I didn't think so.

Tell ya what, E

Go ahead and deflate yours to 12# and let us know how that works for you.

Oil most likely will drop down to $70 a barrel in 2009

The collapse of the American economy is just starting. If oil ever drops to $70 a barrel, it'll be because no one is on the road.

With the money Washington is spending to bail out everybody and anybody, the long term effects augur for more severe inflation and the continued drop in the dollar. This drop is going to be short lived, a matter of months.

So, how is it, if oil prices are determined only by supply and demand, do prices fluxuate when neither the supply nor the demand change?

Some smuck somewhere does or says something and the price changes. Just like stocks.

Let's drill in the artic - prices drop. Did that statement change the supply or demand or the amount a certain well is producing or the refinery capacity? No. It only changed peoples expectations about the future of the supply or demand, not the supply or demand itself.

That's called speculation.

" I am also annoyed at Obama for not attacking the offshore drilling joke for what it really is, bullshit."

Furio I agree with you that drilling is just a political tool and yes the Obama campaign is beginning to seem sluggish and too general in their responses. Probably the drilling issue is too complex to combat in sound bites and if you mount a more serious attemt to combat it you speak to too small of an audience. The Dems need to get better at talking in the sound bites as Republicans are experts on that.

It's not hard to get the message out if that's their intent. The media will clean up any loose ends. Obama knows he's getting hammered on the drilling issue - that's why he's even come around to being agreeable to considering it.

Obama's got a fine line to walk between satisfying his "drilling is wrong" backers and the growing percentage of US population which wants responsible drilling off shore, in ANWR and wherever else we have it. His tepid response speaks to that quandry he faces.

So, how is it, if oil prices are determined only by supply and demand, do prices fluxuate when neither the supply nor the demand change?

Oil prices are also determined by the supply and demand of money. It's the most important factor and always seems to get ignored.

"His tepid response speaks to that quandry he faces."

Or you could also say that his tepid response is realistic. Adding some reponsible drilling isn't necessarily a bad idea. The bad idea is expecting that to have a significant effect on gas prices.
I hope John McCain gets an opportunity to state clearly whether or not he believes additional drilling will really lower the cost of gas or if he will admit that it will be an insignificant addition to world supply. When we finally get to the debates I think John will be ripe for lancing like a boil full of puss.

"... I think John will be ripe for lancing like a boil full of puss." - DANNI

Sorta like this joker?
www.sillyjokes.co.uk

McCain has some issues he can exploit. National defense, oil drilling, taxation, political experience.

Time will tell whether your 'boil full of puss' scenario comes to pass. I wouldn't underestimate the Old Dude. But I'd bring a hankie just in case... wouldn't want to get some on ya.

I've never understood how one of the leading newspapers of the world could be so ignorant on markets. Fleet Street is just a few blocks from the London exchange--you'd think somebody would stroll over and ask to speak with a trader or two, to get an idea as to how the business works.

Posted by rightisright

these fucking idiots are sheep to fleece if they believe this is the end of the oil spike keep on dreaming.. This is a retrace to the 70-75/barrel level and then the subsequent spike will be to 200+ barrel. There is not a ton of oil out there despite the spin. peak oil is over.. peak demand hasnt even started.

*Obama was right. It was all bullshit speculation. When he called them on it they backed down*


*Made as much sense as those who said Bush's comments about drilling brought an almost immediate drop in price*

Reading these killed more brain cells than last nights band gig ever could...thud(palm to head)...

Oh yea, the speculators are all quaking in their boots cause black Jesus wagged his finger at them and threatened to send them to bed with no desert.

Danni...you really must lay off the hash pipe and put down that tub of ice cream. How about reading something other than moveon.org? If you can read, please pick up a text book on economics/supply and demand/speculation. Some really BIG words in those books, but if you take your time and *sound out* the words, you'll get the concepts.
I know you'd rather commit hara-kiri than admit Bush has indeed contributed to lowering the price of a barrel of oil.

Cause I'm a compassionate man, I'll happily supply a very sharp knife.

Cheers!

McCain really is a fucking clown for making this a big issue. I am also annoyed at Obama for not attacking the offshore drilling joke for what it really is, bullshit.

Posted by furio

unfortunately the loons in our society believe this will make a difference in price in the long run..offshore drilling is a joke.. the people that believed otherwise also believed in bush's bs about iraq..some idiots will never be right.

Legio...

*There is not a ton of oil out there despite the spin. peak oil is over.. peak demand hasnt even started*

With all due respect, NO ONE really knows how much oil is left. For more than fifty years, people have been screaming that the end of oil is just around the corner and the sky was falling, yet we keep finding more every day. The technology to extract gets better and better yearly.

New flash! THE WORLD RUNS ON OIL!
As much as people would LOVE to snap their fingers and have an instant change to an alternate, non petroleum based fuel source, it's not happening any time soon.

Cheers!

If Bush and Cheney bring the price of gas down will you kiss their ass? How about if they give everyone a free house? All Flop Ears is offering is a tire guage.


If Bush and Cheney bring the price of gas down will you kiss their ass?

Posted by fwthom

If they can do that, then i want to know why they raised the price to begin with.

I guess they just commandeered the us fuel economy for their (and their friends) personal benefit.

But like Ray says, it's about the money supply. Even a rookie economist can tell you that Bush's actions wrecked the money supply.

With all due respect, NO ONE really knows how much oil is left. For more than fifty years, people have been screaming that the end of oil is just around the corner and the sky was falling, yet we keep finding more every day. The technology to extract gets better and better yearly.

New flash! THE WORLD RUNS ON OIL!
As much as people would LOVE to snap their fingers and have an instant change to an alternate, non petroleum based fuel source, it's not happening any time soon.

Cheers!

Posted by iamkrash

alright I'll bite..who for the last 50 years have been saying its the end of oil?.. NOT the traders I know.. not people like t boone pickens.. Your feel good platitudes of bullshit "they keep finding more everyday".. Those are called known reserves. The other areas that will be allowed eventually for drilling aren't proven but even at best will not yield more than 20 bbl. That is 3 years to the us consumer IF we dont sell on the open market.

hey dumbass.. we all know the world runs on oil..we all know we need alternatives. We also know every resource is FINITE which is why there is a VALUE assigned to said resource. If the world governments dont get with the program its game over for the world economy in less than 15 years. The number humans driving and industries buying oil are much greater than the amount being pumped out of the ground..This aint the 70's bub

Maybe the headline should have read:"Has the Corporate "Oil Fraud" Fizzled"???

Put two and two together. Cheney announces oil prices are too low in August 2000. Cheney initiates a secret Energy Task Force with his buddy Ken Lay. Those two were so close that Cheney took time out from his position as CEO for Haliburton to shove an Enron Power Project down Indias throat. They quadrupled electric rates and shot protestors dead.

They legalize electronic trading and immediately create the California Energy Crisis. AC current cannot be stored, but phoney interstate transactions drive prices up tenfold, bankrupting rich utilities in a few months. Not enough crime to save the Enron crooks though. The other scam artists pay smll fines and walk.

Next the whole world is subjected to electronic oil trading and viola its deja vu all over again.

Thanks Dick, you're just the man to speak at the Republican Convention.

The oil bubble hasn't burst in California, that's for sure. Gas is still sky high out here.

Even though he is a dickhead asshole, RIR did suggest this might happen.

US senators and congress did not have the forsight
to see another oil crunch?

we all know we need alternatives

For as long as oil and gas provide the most energy for the buck, those alternatives will have to wait for their day. That day will come when they are competitive. If government has to subsidize alternatives, then in all probability they are not competitive. The cost is spread to taxpayers to give an illusion of competitiveness.

US senators and congress did not have the forsight
to see another oil crunch?

Posted by mcduff

They learned nothing from the Arab Embargo of the early 70s. I rest my case.


LOL. Uh huh. It was Obama!


He spake, and the markets, they did move. And the evil speculators were cast into the outer darkness, where there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-08-08 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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If memory serves me correctly What Obamma said that got the panties wadded up was:

legislation could be offered up that would require investors to take posession of what they buy. It seemed to raise some brows.

You need to get your head out of W's ass. He's had 8 fuckin years to work with energy and has done ZERO.

We need to drill in the Rethugs heads to let some light in.

Posted by donnerboy

You're right. We can inflate our way out looking for more oil.

If you think for one minute that India and China are going to stop using more oil, you are dumber than you look.

Amazing how a nation that uses one-quarter of the worlds oil while possessing less than 3 percent of its reserves will drill its way to happiness at the pump.

LHT,

Done nothing??????????????? but fuck the world. Oligarchy excepted of course.

These guys have plotted a path to record profits. ALL OF IT IN SECRET. Its enough to make Grandpa Rockerfeller proud and oughta be enough to wake up up Congress.

Unfortunately, the shots are called by donors, not fake leaders. Our leaders rise solely by their ability to mislead us.

These guys have plotted a path to record profits. ALL OF IT IN SECRET.

Posted by nutcase

They are making around 7 to 10% profit. Compare that to Microsoft and then tell me wo is making record profits.


They learned nothing from the Arab Embargo of the early 70s. I rest my case.

~RAY

Ronnie Raygun addressed the problem starting with removing the removing the solar panels from the White House.

FRIBO above hit nail on head. "Drilling" is touted as some kind of miracle cure as if oceans of oil were right below the surface: They are not. At best drilling would reduce imports between 3-5%.

But I think drilling's main function is to give Cons something to bash Dems about.

We are not solving the problem. Sooner or later we must both conserve AND find alternative energy sources. If we don't we will forever be in slavery to Arabs who hate us, unstable areas of the world and oil speculators.

Wait a sec. The "speculators" are pushing down the price of oil! and making money on that!

We have to get them to stop..we have to tax them on the "windfall" profits from the collapse of oil!

The speculators (that put capital into these markets which gives the producers flexiblity) need to be PUNISHED!


Funny how the price started down right after Bush announced HE was lifting the Freeze on off shore drilling.

Funny how the thought of additional future supply impacts a market...but I thought the additional drilling will only impact the price "a Few Cents" - guess that was wrong as well.

That fact is: you either BELIEVE in the capitalistic system where markets define prices and it is basically the law of supply and demand (so you either have to alter demand with price OR you alter SUPPLY) OR you don't. You believe in a "command economy" (which is what the communists, and Obama believe) where either price is set, supply is set or demand is managed by the central government. And that goes to the heart of how you handle Health Care, Energy, or any number of issues.

Snip & FoS,

Go ahead and say they make 7-10% profit and you like current prices. If you are talking about refineries you are probably right, but why would you take these peoples word for anything?

Apparently you can sell the stuff for $20/barrel and make 4-6% or $140/barrel and margins rise another 1%. Creative accounting can do anything.

The oil well owners make most of the money, while refineries run on smaller margins.

But it should be clear to any simpleton, that the price is not determined by supply and demand. The Iraq War, continued threats against Iran re but foder for speculators. And yes, they can and do make tons of money on the rise and fall, as long as they stay ahead of the trend. And yes they are an unnecessary overhead to oils price, which they never take possession of. Thats the beauty of secret electronic trading. Any insider can profit without adding any value. But you gotta have that insider information, like Cheney and Lay when they lay siege to India and California.

Record profits from oil companies in the billions.

McCain has suggested and supports more safe, nuclear power.

Obama calls for carbon credits and filling up tires with air.


Let's all save the planet by filling up the world with more hot air!

"Let's all save the planet by filling up the world with more hot air!

Posted by cygnus2112 "

Well you are certainly doing more than your fair share on the Drudge Retort.

Hey, I've been here for an hour, it seems like it's already been inflated by you and your ilk. I'm just the one with the needle.

Pop!

Nut; "But it should be clear to any simpleton, that the price is not determined by supply and demand. The Iraq War, continued threats against Iran re but foder for speculators."

So...you just countered your own argument. The price of oil is determined by FUTURE supply and demand (most of the oil contracts are for up to two years in the future) - So - you are right Iraq war puts supply at risk, war with Iran or sanctions put Iran supply at risk...the result is higher prices as the RISK of not having enough supply increases...similarly when the RISK of having enough supply (Drilling) goes down - prices fall. That is why the statements of "it will impact only 1-2 cents" are bogus on the face.

So..yes it is supply and demand and the potential risk on both that drives a market.

Not with the advent of electronic trading. No one takes possession of the oil. Just like the California Energy Crisis the disaster is a creation of IMAGINARY transactions. Thus IMAGINARY SUPPLY AND DEMAND have trumped real supply and demand. All of which begs the question, "Who is in charge here"?

Certainly our Government remains silent in the face of a national security disaster. Unless this is understood as a part of the bailout of Wall Street for its role in subprime housing disaster. Morgan Stanley has cornered the market on Northeast heating oil. Obviously they have the well being local citizens in mind when they committed this Rockerfeller like crime.

But then, wealth and its role in economic development is a closely guarded secret.

You don't know what you're talking about. Everything in your post is BS. Quit hanging out on conspiracy websites, and get a life.

RiR,

If you don't understand that the California Energy Crisis was the result of phoney electronic trading, you are the one who doesn't understand anything.

If you don't understand that Cheney's Secret Energy Task Force (in bed with Ken Lay) and PNAC plans for attacking Iraq which predated 9-11 by more than 5 years have a major role in the current pricing scheme, you are incapable of putting two and two together. Same with dropping prices as we approach our November Election.

If you don't understand that Milton Friedman's Shock Doctrine is in play you are like most ignorant Americans. The primary target of these predatory capitalists is water and energy. Take control, claim free market is the most efficient mechanism for delivering those products and services and then raise prices through the roof. If you can't see none of these promises have delivered lower prices you are simply choosing not to look. South America has wised up and driven out the crooks like Enron, Bechtel, Fluor, Haliburton, Kissinger's and Cheney's buddies to name just two. People who kill for money.

Obama has put light on the problem of speculation by suggesting that oil traders be forced to take possession of the product they gamble on.

If you can show me one case where privitization or speculation in this country has lowered retail costs of water, electricity, natural gas, heating oil or gasoline, I will reconsider my position. But you can't can you? Yet, this is always the promise that is made. The obvious truth is those who can, scheme in a Rockerfeller way. Free Markets my ass.

"Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs has dominated global energy derivatives trading for decades. Morgan is the only investment bank to have developed a long-standing successful niche in the physical oil market with its middle distillates trading book. But its expansion into the Asian fuel oil market came at a turbulent time for the product, with outright prices on the benchmark utility grade having jumped nearly 55 per cent since the start of the year, with differentials hitting a low of minus $7 a tonne and a high of around plus $6.

A spokesman for the Wall Street bank declined to comment. Activity for its fuel oil business in Europe and the United States will not be affected, an industry source familiar with the matter said."

(excerpted from Calgary Herald)

At a time when bank and hedge fund speculation, fleeing the securities markets on which it has taken huge losses, has been pouring into the commodities futures markets for metals, foods, and especially oil products, sweetheart agreements between the U.S. CFTC and the British Financial Services Agency has made American commodities futures markets into, essentially, London offshore havens. Greenberger and Cooper laid out in detail, how 35% of West Texas crude futures are traded on a market headquartered in Atlanta, Georgiathe Intercontinental Commodity Exchange, or ICEwhich by CFTC staff actions, is juridically a London offshore market overseen only by the British Financial Services Authority (FSA)! Cooper called the FSA, correctly, "a bad jokelook how it regulated in the Northern Rock Bank case." And oil futures trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) is now "regulated" only by the London-controlled financial authority of Dubai, under another CFTC staff agreement.

On what are effectively British offshore markets, Greenberger said, a group of banks and hedge funds are simply "continuing and repeating the 'subprime' crash of the securities markets, and all their derivatives, on the commodities markets." He named the investment banksGoldman Sachs, Morgan Stanleyalong with JPMorgan Chase. Some 70% of all oil futures trading in the United States is speculative, Greenberger said, and 30% of all U.S. oil futures trading is being done by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and JPMorgan Chase. "I find it highly ironic that when you control the price of oil, you can 'predict' when it will go from $130 to $200 a barrel," he noted, answering Senator Cantwell's question about the "predictions" of $150-200 oill by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, which around May 20 launched the latest superspike in prices.

These banks and hedge funds are also buying large volumes of oil products and holding them off the market while they play the falling dollar, which continually raises the oil products' price. This hoarding is not just speculation, but manipulation of the market, whose existence is denied by the CFTC and Securities and Exchange Commission. But "the biggest owner of heating oil in the Northeast is Morgan Stanley," Greenberger reported.

(excerpted from Senate Hearings and Executive Intelligence Review)

Whatever.

"I find it highly ironic that when you control the price of oil, you can 'predict' when it will go from $130 to $200 a barrel," he noted, answering Senator Cantwell's question about the "predictions" of $150-200 oill by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, which around May 20 launched the latest superspike in prices.
* * *

Uh huh. And I find it highly ironic that if Goldman can send the oil price to $200 just by buying up futures contracts, why oil came screaming down to under $120. Did Goldman change their mind? Or is it like I said all along: that unless you're willing to take physical delivery of supertankers full of crude, you can't move the spot price in the futures trades?

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