Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, July 31, 2008

Sam Stein: Responding to a harsh personal attack from John McCain, Barack Obama released a television ad late Wednesday evening accusing the the Arizona Republican's campaign of dirty, superficial politics. The spot, titled "The Low Road," ties McCain to George W. Bush, both in politics and in policy.

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McAncient practicing the politics of the past?


Holy shit that is too funny.

Okay its official: I'm not going to worry about the Obama campaign team EVER again!

With a stroke of political genius, Team Obama hits John McCain right in the upset stomach of America, called the gut, with his simple recitation of truths.

They didn't get on a soapbox, they didn't whine about McCain throwing a knowingly false ad into a few non-critical markets, and letting the corporate-owned media do what it does best; shill propaganda as truth, and they've returned fire with the most elegantly damning ad of this entire year because its entirely made of the TRUTH!

Not some spinbound opinion, but the God-simple truth:

McCain lies and he should know better. And he's good friends with the guy you can't stand, George W. Bush, to the point he wants to continue down Bush's horrendous path on which he took a dimwitted nation willing to believe that he and his minions, 1. Believed what they said and 2. Knew what the hell they were doing and knew how to make it work in our favor. As much as we know the sin of Bush's lying to get his misguided way is rejected by jingoists and self-described patriots, many WILL accept the argument that Bush's greatest sin was in LOSING A WAR WE STARTED TO A BUNCH OF 2ND WORLD INGRATES and making the situation WORSE than it was before! This, Joe Sixpack cannot let go of! Its the NFL/NASCAR-zation of the nation. We don't like liars, but if you lie and win, we'll hail you as a hero. But if you lie, and then still fuck-up, well what did you think? That we were both deaf and dumb at the same time? Sorry, you lose.

Obama just rolled Triple 7's!!!! Pay up suckers....

Just as I predicted several months ago: Obama's nice guy mask was going to come off.

mccains
straight talkkk mask has come off

he's a liar

Comparing 0bama to trollop cunts ike Paris Hilton and Britney Spears is an affront to trollop cunts everywhere. Everyone of those trollop cunts has more balls than Barry ever dreamt of having. Shame on those Repugs.

e's a liar

Duh, klifferd. He's a politician. The latter is a whole subset of the former.

no goat

politicians lie yes

but mccain lies more then most politicians

where even other politicians can call him a liar

he's blatently and stupidly lying

keep supporting the liar

Just as I predicted several months ago: Obama's nice guy mask was going to come off.

That's a good one, there I must say.

Obama kicked McCain right where it hurts the most: In his dwindling credibility. Some righties are calling him desperate and telling him to stop. His brand is heading toward W. land. You guys just don't get it, do you?

The more McCain acts like Rove did with Bush while Obama stays cool and above it all, the further Mac sinks to oblivion, dragging all the GOPers with him.

A proud impeacher of Slick Willie, a Republican Congressman from North Carolina was just calling for Congress to enforce its own rules and drag Karl Rove's ass before the Judiciary Committee under hook or crook because he only answers to one person, his Creator.

When Repubs invoke God, you know your ass is in trouble and you call on the Almighty to save your bacon (ie. re-election chances).

Sorry boys, you crapped-out again. Pay the man if you still want to play. Your monies good even though your word and perceptions ain't for shit....

keep supporting the liar

Which one do you suggest I support, klifferd? I've been very vocal that I am disappointed in both candidates.

This is going to be a great four years. Everything about Obama suggests that those who thought Bush had an imperial presidency don't have the first idea of what's in store.

Guy's awfully touchy. And I can't wait to see his "energy plan that takes on oil companies" and "reduces our dependence on foreign oil", all while doing nothing to increase supply here at home.

Hysterical. Ah, it's politics though. The veneer won't last long. Style over substance never does.

I was waiting for Obama to throw a stun punch. Excellant timing Barack. He needs to floor McCain again about his constant foot in mouth disease. Examples of Iraqs border with Pakistan and not knowing the difference between the Shiite's and the Suni's.

This is going to be a great four years. Everything about Obama suggests that those who thought Bush had an imperial presidency don't have the first idea of what's in store.---RIR

* John Weaver, one of John McCain's closest allies and confidants, is deeply unimpressed by the direction of the McCain campaign, and believes the latest campaign strategy diminishes John McCain.-- Weaver called todays celebrity-driven ad childish.-- Saying he's had enough,-- Weaver added, For McCain's sake, this tomfoolery needs to stop.--

* For what its worth, Barack Obama was also asked about the Britney-Paris ad: You know, I don't pay attention to John McCain's ads, although I do notice he doesn't seem to have anything to say very positive about himself. He seems to only be talking about me You need to ask John McCain what hes for and not just what hes against.--

www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com

You know when people see clearly what is before their very eyes, but other people try to tell them they're not seeing what is plainly there?

Thats the McCainites trying to sell ice to eskimoes in the middle of January, in Alaska, wearing only swimsuits, and Speedo's at that!

They're going for the triple toe-loop of all-time idiotic moves: Taking the brand of a respected hero and diminishing him to a tabloid-stalker-type, obsessed with a popularity they themselves will never have while blaming the person for his own status with no recognition just why that status has been bestowed by SOME people, not everyone. But the more they tell people not to like him, the more petty and dishonest they reveal themselves to be especially after announcing they valued debating the issues with the public, not debating Q ratings with the glitterati!

At least he's EFFECTIVELY fighting back-unlike Kerry-who went on vacation...

I just love seeing the fighty-righties try to spin this as bad somehow.

I just love seeing the fighty-righties try to spin this as bad somehow.

It's almost as amusing as watching the lefties spin the good news about record low combat deaths in Iraq on another active thread here.

Uh huh. Obama says he doesn't pay attention to McCain's ads, then goes on to describe them, and suggest remediable deficiencies in each. But I'm amazed he has all this free time, between counseling foreign leaders to his joint address to the Congress to his meeting with staffers to plan the transition to the White House.

Obama gives a very good prepared speech. But as soon as he's speaking extemporaneously, that's when everything gets comical.

Oh. One other thing. I don't have any idea what the hell any of this means: "Taking the brand of a respected hero and diminishing him to a tabloid-stalker-type, obsessed with a popularity they themselves will never have while blaming the person for his own status with no recognition just why that status has been bestowed by SOME people, not everyone. But the more they tell people not to like him, the more petty and dishonest they reveal themselves to be especially after announcing they valued debating the issues with the public, not debating Q ratings with the glitterati!"

Did that come from an Obama speech too? Because that would explain a lot . . .

Mark this date down folks: Be it July 31, 2008, that the John McCain run for the presidency expired due to extreme idiocy in deciding to take a brand which Americans res[ected namely because it seemed so real and authentic and to re-issue new and improved COKE II! which tastes BETTER THAN REGULAR COKE!!!!!

"TRUST US, WE KNOW WHAT YOU LIKE!!!!!

JUST LIKE IRAQ, WE WERE RIGHT THERE TOO!!!

IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE MONEY IN THE LAST 8 YEARS, YOU WERE LAZY, AND WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR KIND ANYWAY!"

"My name is John McCain, and I approve this message....until I dis-approve of it later....until I re-approve of it before my next dead and dying septuagenarian audience and a little blond girl asks me a question, errrr. something like that...."

If somebody doesn't spew a liquid at their computer screen over that last one, you guys are dead too!

Rightwing Honesty: Example ONE-------

What youre going to see is a great debate. Which is what the American public deserves. None of this negative stuff, though. You wont see it come out of our side at all.-- - Cindy McCain, Today Show, May 8, 2008.
www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com

I guess that's why she always walks a few steps behind John McCain whenever they're together....Then his mikes won't pick up anything she might say.

Sounds like you could use a good night's sleep.

How dare McCain compare Obama to Britney Spears or Paris Hilton.

Obama can't sing or dance. He sure as hell ain't pretty like either of them.

Certainly I have never seen Britney takes both sides of different political issues at the same time.

Paris Hilton has never lied about her connections to Tony Rezko, Reverend Wright, or Bill Ayers.

Neither of these two cuties have never had to use a teleprompter to sing a song or give a speech.

Yep, its totally disgusting that McCain would compare a big eared talentless political hack like Barak to these two hotties.

You should be ashamed of yourself John McCain!

mccain should compare lindsey lohan to W
they both love the cocaine

Obama should put out an ad comparing McCain to those vacuous young starlets Jean Harlow and Carole Lombard.

What? They're dead? They've been dead for decades?

Nevermind.

More conservatives continue to line-up in decrying the recent decision to trash his own brand which the McCain campaign seems to do daily.

Ramesh Ponnuru agrees with Weaver that McCain's recent ads are juvenile. Allahpundit expands:

The problem is that it follows a line of spots that were either stupid, dishonest, or borderline incoherent; thats why some GOP analysts are worried about Maverick's negative turn lately. Its not that attacks are bad per se, its that McCain has a solid brand of his own that he's neglecting or even devaluing by hitting Obama in such petty ways.

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

McCain has formed the circular firing squad and commenced shooting....

Obama continued: "And so the only way they figure theyre going to win this election is if they make you scared of me. So what theyre saying is, Well, we know were not very good but you cant risk electing Obama. You know, hes new, hes... doesnt look like the other presidents on the currency, you know, hes got a, hes got a funny name.'

The race card - when your an empty suit it's all that works.

"But, since they dont have any new ideas the only strategy theyve got in this election is to try to scare you about me. Theyre going to try to say that Im a risky guy, theyre going to try to say, 'Well, you know, hes got a funny name and he doesnt look like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five dollar bills and, and theyre going to send out nasty emails.

And another... this guy has a whole deck of 'spades' to play.

Which one do you suggest I support, klifferd? I've been very vocal that I am disappointed in both candidates.

Posted by goatman

Yet you continue to be more vocal against the black one.

To me, that is telling enough by itself.......

See you in November Hommie!!!!!

"Yet you continue to be more vocal against the black one."

Is that the one who's a socialist? Since I can't find it in myself to vote for a socialist, is that gonna make me a racist too?

And another... this guy has a whole deck of 'spades' to play.

Yeah sure. I guess that's why McCain's commercial starts with comparing Obama to two American blond bimbo's then morphs to two phallic-like columns and finally shows that scary black dude who so presumptuously thinks he's qualified to be President when all he is in McCain's eyes is popular, like the bimbos.

Yep, I can't see where Obama has any right to call a spade a spade, can you?

It's almost as amusing as watching the lefties spin the good news about record low combat deaths in Iraq on another active thread here.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-30 11:33 PM


You think it is good news that nine people died for nothing last month in Iraq? Maybe you should write their parents and let them know when the celebration begins. I'm sure they wouldn't want to miss it. To think, it only cost the United States about 30 millin to get those people killed. I bet you think that is a bargain too.

Andrew Romano scoffs at McCain crying elitism:

"The McCain camp wants voters to believe that Obama's "arrogance" befits his "celebrity" and makes him "selfish"--unlike (you guessed it) McCain, who always puts "Country First." Or so his slogan says. The only problem? It makes just as much sense to call McCain an elitist as Obama. Nevermind that the Illinois senator is a bi-racial child from a broken family raised in a modest single-parent household. Or that there are plenty of "country clubs" still unwilling to accept African-Americans as members. Or that the last "celebrity" to occupy the Oval Office was Ronald Reagan, McCain's hero. Simply imagine the memo David Axelrod could send to reporters about the Republican nominee. "Only a celebrity of John McCain's magnitude could star on blockbuster television shows like '24' and appear in big-budget motion pictures like 'Wedding Crashers,'" it would read. "These are not campaign commercials or news interviews, but major Hollywood productions--which is no surprise, given that he's pals with Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Lorne Michaels. Only celebrities like John McCain own seven homes, date Brazilian models, marry blond heiresses worth $100 million, attend Virginia's tony "old boy" Episcopal High School, forget the last time they pumped their own gas and wear $520 black calfskin loafers by Ferragamo." Get the picture?"

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

But Obama's a socialist and an elitist, John McCain is Everyman like his hugging buddy George W. Bush..........you guys are hilarious!

"But Obama's a socialist and an elitist,..."

That's what I said. here's some of what The Guardian said:

"After Obamas speech to an estimated 200,000 Germans in Berlin , a columnist for Britain s Guardian newspaper began his review this way: Barack Obama has found his people. But, unfortunately for his election prospects, they're German, not American.--

Obama's speech to the Germans left much to be desired, from an Americans perspective.

For starters, the crowds size was beefed up by the fact that the event was billed as a free rock concert for German citizens, with popular musical performers helping to draw the big crowd. Scant U.S. media even noted the warm-up rock draws of reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn.

Then there was the simple stage, with the podium surrounded by three potted plants. Missing was the American flag -- nowhere to be seen. Perhaps Obamas staff might consider the U.S. flag offensive.

And then there was his speech, in which he proudly proclaimed he was in Germany as a a fellow citizen of the world.--

And there was the spectacle of the presidential wannabe going to a foreign land to apologize about the United States .

Obama told his German audience he was sorry about his country because I know my country has not perfected itself.-- [This comment was made in the former seat of Nazi power. A letter to editor published in Obamas hometown Chicago Tribune noted the irony: While America may not be perfect, there is no reason to apologize to the Germans, architects of the Holocaust.--]

As for America s role in saving Germany from the onslaught of Stalinist communism and the subsequent Cold War, there was nothing.

There was a rhetorical flourish about the Berlin Wall coming down, but nothing about the great American sacrifice, not to mention how our military might made President Reagans call -- Tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbachev-- -- a reality.

There was a fleeting mention of the famous Berlin airlift of 1948 that President Truman ordered to thwart the Soviet blockade that sought to starve West Berlin .

As Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby wrote, Obama seemed to go out of his way not to say plainly that what saved Berlin in that dark time was America 's military might.

Save for a solitary reference to the first American plane, he never described one of the greatest American operations of the postwar period as an American operation at all. He spoke only of the airlift, the planes, those pilots. Perhaps their American identity wasn't something he cared to stress amid all his people of the world salutations and talk of global citizenship.--

The Hollywood-staged Obama event for a man who has yet to ascend to the presidency didnt sit well with all the Germans. Germany s Stern magazine carried the headline "Barack Kant Saves the World."

One of their columnists, Florian Gssgen, wrote: "The man is perfect, impeccable, slick. Almost too slick Obama's speech was often vague, sometimes banal and more reminiscent of John Lennon's feel good song 'Imagine' than of a foreign policy agenda.".......
2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

"John McCain is Everyman like his hugging buddy George W. Bush.........."

No he isn't, the only thing he has going for him is that he AIN'T Obama.

John McCain is Everyman

Who said that? Who on the DR claims that? The biggest problem with obamaciles is that they fail to recognize hussein for what he really is - a politican - no better or worse than other politicians - wait, scratch that - no worse except for the fact he claims to be different from the norm and espouses change we can believe in. GET OFF THE KOOLAIDE.


I was waiting for Obama to throw a stun punch. Excellant timing Barack. He needs to floor McCain again about his constant foot in mouth disease. Examples of Iraqs border with Pakistan and not knowing the difference between the Shiite's and the Suni's.

Posted by JoeLabey at


thats right and make sure its on in each of the 57 states that obama has campaigned in......

it was a great ad....he has a lot in common with those two no talent sluts........none of the three have any substance.........

it was a great ad....he has a lot in common with those two no talent sluts........none of the three have any substance.........

Takes an air-headed bimbo to know an air-headed bimbo BLT....

No he isn't, the only thing he has going for him is that he AIN'T Obama.

THANK GOD!!!!

If Obama was a crotchety, bitter, confirmed adulterer who changes his stances on important issues as much as he changes his Depends; who makes up imaginary borders and names long non-existent countries as though they exist today; who promised to campaign with dignity and respect for the sake of the American people, but has put out consecutive ads from the sleaziest of gutters, forwarding smears and false associations with no regard for the truth...

I don't think I'd like him either....

McCain Planned To Attack Obama If He Did Visit Troops Abroad

www.huffingtonpost.com

The man and his minions are lower than snake shit. Is THIS what you righties want to stand up and be identified with?

...stupid question.

A. McCain said he wanted to run a positive campaign based on the issues

B. He's not

C. Another flip flop

D. Americans are tired of Karl Rove politics

E. It undermines McCain's "Straight Talk" PR image

F. Americans want a campaign this year on all the pressing problems facing us

G. This will backfire huge on McCain

H. Hearings on the GOP's politicizing of the Justice Dept will run through the election - reminding voters what Karl Rove politics got us.

I. Obama's still leading in the polls despite McCain being better known.

J. McCain is not McCain anymore - he's reversed himself on every major issue the last year.

K. Using Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears is the same thing they used against Harold Ford in the 2006 TN Senate campaign. It will backfire.

I. Obama's still leading in the polls despite McCain being better known.Posted by AMERICANUNITY

What the hell planet are you on?

Statistical dead heat in the polls today - despite the bush division and medai bias towards hussein.


Gallup Daily: Obama 45%, McCain 44%July 31, 2008
The race for the presidency has moved back into a statistical tie in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update of national registered voters, with Barack Obama now ahead of John McCain by just one point, 45% to 44%.

What the hell planet are you on?

ELCID

Earth. Try it.

These national polls are practically meaningless.

The better polls to check out are state by state.

McCain's cutting his own throat resorting to Karl Rove politics. America's too concerned by REAL issues than to fall for that yet again.

Wall Street Journal columnist Daniel Henninger looks at John McCain's tax policy and concludes, "This isn't a flip-flop. It's a sex-change operation." He continues:

"What I'm asking is, does John McCain have the mental focus, the intellectual discipline, to avoid being out-slicked by Barack Obama, if he isn't abandoned by his own voters?
...

Why as well shouldn't the Obama camp exploit all of this? If Sen. Obama's "inexperience" is Mr. McCain's ace in the hole, why not trump that by asking, "Does Sen. McCain know his own mind?"
...

Yes, Sen. McCain has honor and country. Another month of illogical, impolitic remarks and Sen. McCain will erase even that. Absent a coherent message for voters, he will be one-on-one with Barack Obama in the fall. He will lose."

The Chicago Tribune's Frank James comments: "More evidence that Sen. John McCain is giving fits to many conservatives, like those who comprise The Wall Street Journal's editorial board: they're asking aloud if he's stupid."

www.huffingtonpost.com

As I sit and watch the usual suspects of rightwing apologia say with their dubious aplomb that Obama indeed has "played the race card" by playfully reminding voters that "he doesn't look like those Presidents on the dollar bills..." a few times in recent days on the stump.

They just don't get it and there's no doubt even the conscious right are growing tired of McCain's sudden metamorphosis into a gutter snipe swimming in waters to stupid to matter. The inarticulate nature of the attacks have his media surrogates saying that comparisons to blond bimbos are accurate ones when anyone who's ever heard Obama's voice talking common sense policy would mistake him for that squeaking vapour of the slutty blond pair.

When the Wall Street Journal says that McCain hasn't merely flopped, he's had a sex change, I think the writing's already on the wall.

The McCain ad with Hilton and Spears is right out of the playbook they used against Harold Ford, Jr., 2006 Senate candidate in TN

Putting him with blonde women is designed for nothing more than to play the race card.

Woman asking question: First of all, Sen. McCain, I want to commend you on your service for our country. But earlier this year in April, you made comments about the mudslinging and how it had been affecting the other campaigns and how you didnt want to do that. But recently, especially last week when Obama went to Europe, it seems like there were a lot of campaign ads that you put out that were doing that. And the one yesterday comparing him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, I was like, OK. So it seems like to Americans like me and other people that you may have flip-flopped on what you said earlier. And what is your response to that?--

McCain: First of all, let me say there are differences, and we are drawing those differences. And I said earlier, I admire his campaign. But what we are talking about here is substance and not style. And what we are talking about is who has an agenda for the future of America. Campaigns are tough, but Im proud of the campaign that we have run. Im proud of the issues that we have been trying to address with the American people. So, all I can say is that we are proud of that commercial.--

A lot of reporters are seizing on the fact that McCain is proud-- of his ridiculous commercial, which is clearly odd. But I was also struck by his insistence that what we are talking about here is substance and not style.-- I didnt see McCains facial expression, but I cant help but wonder if (and how) he kept a straight face.

Substance and not style? Has there been anything of any substance at all from the McCain campaign in months? I suppose there was at least some policy talk recently when McCain commented on his tax proposals, his position on affirmative action, his position on gay adoption, and his ideas for Social Security but this substance-- didnt last long, because McCains campaign, in each instance, said he didnt really mean what he was saying.

www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com

This is like shooting fish in a barrel! John McCain has lost all touch with reality and his many flacks are spending credibility just like W spends his Chinese money! McCain, along with Larry Craig and Ted Stevens collectively are going to devalue the Republican brand to the point Mark Foley may even be nominated for re-election!

Isn't this fun? Truth's a bitch when you're too stupid to realize everyone already KNOWS that you're lying!

I think for every one of these attack ads based on experience or that try to paing Obama as less than qualified then it should be answered with one that reminds people McCain is an old man, out of touch with reality, senile, cranky, angry, unpredictable....would you want this angry old senile jerk with his finger on the button????

Fight fire with fire.

The Franken campaign in MN must be having wet dreams every time McCain runs a dumb ad. McCain's numbers are falling like a rock there and with them the supporters of dumbass Norm Coleman.

The ad with Paris was goofy--over the head for folks who do not understand satire.

So can't talk about the non existent substance of the man Obama by comparing him to celebrities who have no substance?


Does anyone have a comment as to why this ad would be considered Racist?

Murphy,

It's not that the ad is racist but that the ad is childish and really stupid. Other than righties who find it amusing, the independents whom McCain needs will just find it dumb. The McCain of 2000 would never have run such a silly ad.

I already did.

See 2006 Senate TN "Harold Ford vs Bob Corker".

Using blond women with a (half) black man. Blatant attempt to stir racist feelings and scare 'white' people.

Does anyone have a comment as to why this ad would be considered Racist?

Two blond bimbos known for sexual escapes, a black man, 3 shots of the tower that look phallic, ending with "Foreign" by the image of Obama.

Just a guess, though.

MURPHY

I still think you have some serious issues of your own race-wise.

You say you voted for Gore and Hillary, yet all you do is bash Obama.

Either you're lying your ass off or you're a garden variety racist.

You'd vote for McCain when he's the polar opposite of not only Hillary stood for but of what he himself used to stand for.

Two blong white girls and one older black man, nah, nothing racist about that, it never crossed the minds of the people who designed the ad. Riiiight.
They didn't even know Obama was black.

Let's do an ad with two extremely old codgers and John McCain and ask voters to find the one running for president.

Let's put McCain in front of a computer and watch him show us how he is "with it".

What did McCain say when he first voted.....I like Ike.

Lots of young people won't even know who Ike is.

Today when I got home I checked my email. Sure enough there is an email from the Obama campaign FEATURING the attack ads from the McCain campaign and asking for domations to fight back...guess what, it works, I'm sending another contribution....the stupid old man doesn't get it, piss off the Obama supporters and they SEND MONEY!!! LOTS OF MONEY!!! Come on McStupid, give us some more stupid attack ads.

Obama the Pooh catches a Heffalump!

Put the trap right where the Heffalump is, and into the Very Cunning Trap he goes.

Accuse the sumbitches where the're quilty, and they prove the case against themselves.

TeeHee.

Danni did that email end with, "Send us money or you're a racist for not supporting the Black guy?"

I've said many times I'm fully open to voting for Obama, I like the guy and I don't think he would be a terrible president, but if he keeps playing the race card then fuck him and his kids.

I heard this guy on Hannity today who researched Obama's background. The book sounds thoroughly researched. It turns out that Obama trained to be a Marxist. I can't decide who is the scariest, Obama or McCain.

www.amazon.com

At least he's EFFECTIVELY fighting back-unlike Kerry-who went on vacation...

~Frank "Freedom" 55

True dat.

I just love seeing the fighty-righties try to spin this as bad somehow.

Wot? You mean like...

Just as I predicted several months ago: Obama's nice guy mask was going to come off

Topic: McCain's Cheezy attack ads and general decision to take the low road in his campaign and Obama's reaction to the latest low point ad featuring Barack being likened to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. Ads being criticised even by folks on McSame's own team and wot's Goat's response?

Waaaah! Obama's being mean!

/Spud paraphrases, of course.

Too, too funny.

Goat slays.

Spud's not saying "intentionally" or anything.

Just sayin'.

Be Well.

I'm sending another contribution....

Watch Danni cry when Obama puts her employer out of business.

Watch Danni cry when Obama puts her employer out of business.

Posted by Ray

Danni complains daily about the rising costs consumers have to pay and how she can't afford to drive anymore... maybe now we see why...

"The book sounds thoroughly researched. "

Written by prominent Swift Boat liar Jerome Corsi...

Nuff said.

"It turns out that Obama trained to be a Marxist. "

Obama IS a Marxist, Ray!
www.bartcop.com

I've said many times I'm fully open to voting for Obama, I like the guy and I don't think he would be a terrible president, but if he keeps playing the race card then fuck him and his kids

I could've written that. I agree 100%. This race issue is becoming more and more annoying and more and more devisive.

Written by prominent Swift Boat liar Jerome Corsi...

Nuff said.

Posted by nullifidian

I can guess who is voting for Obama. You Marxists stick together.

This race issue is becoming more and more annoying and more and more devisive.

Posted by goatman

The whole I don't look like the other guys on the dollar bills line really annoyed me... Nobody's brought up the guys race except him...

Are we getting a sneak peak at the next 4-8 years? Anyone going against Obama is doing so because he or she is a racist... Great...

Look forward to Ludacris opening up the swearing in cermonies...

McCain started the race talk. come on now.

Picking Hilton and Spears was a redo of the 2006 Harold Ford vs Bob Corker ad playing on the fear of black men with white (and in this case vacuous) women.

McCain started the race talk. come on now.

Unbelievable horseshit...

Picking Hilton and Spears was a redo of the 2006 Harold Ford vs Bob Corker ad playing on the fear of black men with white (and in this case vacuous) women.


Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The Harold Ford ad was calling him a playboy who liked to fuck white women... this ad was calling Obama a celebrity with no talent (ie spears and hilton) who isn't ready to lead

And BTW AmericanUnity, if the McCain camp had used someone like Jordan Sparks, or Beyonce or any other Black (or sorta Black) entertainer then Obama supporters would lose their fucking minds calling McCain a racist...

Obama is playing the poor victim here... "They're being mean to me cuz I'm black." Very presidential... I'm sure calling Putin, or Ahmadinijad a racist will work in negotiations too...

this ad was calling Obama a celebrity with no talent (ie spears and hilton) who isn't ready to lead

Reading that again, that's really funny! Talk about whacked out equivalence. That's a hysterically stupid linkage.

Uh huh ROB

You saw the TN spot up there in NJ? Uh huh. It was clearly designed to show Ford with a blond white woman. Very obvious attempt to play on racial fears. Why not a brunette or black woman? Uh huh.

You vote however you want. It won't make a lick of difference where you live.

The blond in the Harold Ford snipe ad was an actress playing a bimbo who never even MET Ford.

Get real

Furthermore, Ford was at the Playboy mansion for a charity fundraiser when the pic they used of him was taken. It was not some debauchery going on.

So the cover of the 'New Yorker' couldn't have been satire based on what "the right" is saying on this thread. Nope, Obama's made it all up.

Interesting.

You saw the TN spot up there in NJ? Uh huh.

Not sure how you don't know this, given where you just posted that, but they have this thing called the "Internet" now... makes it pretty easy to get information from all over the world... even Tennessee...

And yes it was an attempt to play on racial fears...

That doesn't mean the McCain commerical was too.

"Danni did that email end with, "Send us money or you're a racist for not supporting the Black guy?"

I think you are confusing it with the McRAcist email you got which said Obama is an angry black man who can't be trusted with Paris and Britney.

"Watch Danni cry when Obama puts her employer out of business."

Hmmm....which major restaurant chains announced they were going out of business today?

Which nation had negative growth in the last quarter of last year?

If my employer makes it to January I think we'll do just fine, just like most other Americans. That was perhaps the dumbest post every Ray. As if...anything could be worse for business than a Bush 3rd term.....OMG!

BTW I've come to the consulsion that McAged isn't a flip flopper, he honestly doesn't remember what his former position on anything was a week or two ago.

You vote however you want. It won't make a lick of difference where you live.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

SO you're saying you only vote with the likely color of your state.... a true American you are.

I'll vote for who I feel is best for America. Right now, I don't know who that is, but I don't think either will be bad for America. If I vote McCain and Jersey goes to Obama, I don't have a problem with that as long as my vote is counted.

"Not sure how you don't know this, given where you just posted that, but they have this thing called the "Internet" now... makes it pretty easy to get information from all over the world... even Tennessee..."

Arizona too??? Someone tell McBush

Nobody's brought up the guys race except him...

That's gotta be the singularily stupidest post Spud has read here today.

Congrats Rob.

Even fer you that's powerful dumb.

Be Well.

That's gotta be the singularily stupidest post Spud has read here today.

Oh please by all means quote for me some McCain campaign official or even any GOP official using Obama's race against him as Obama said they are doing...

Oh don't worry fuckwad... I'll wait.

"but I don't think either will be bad for America."

Bomb, bomb, bomb, let's bomb Iran.
I don't really know much about economics.
Americans are just whiners.
16 months sounds like a good timetable.
I'm against that tax cut but now I want to make it permanent.

I put country first, now if I could just remember which country.

Posted by Seabiscuit at 2008-07-31 08:14 PM

Exactly--goofy ad but not racist except if you are a racebaiter like AU.

AU--I voted for Gore--never Hillary--and I voted for OBAMA in the CA primary.

You are a racebaiter for calling or insinuating that I am racist and others here on the DR.


Everyone who watches cable news (youtube probably too) saw that ad with Ford in TN. It was a below the belt ad and meant to affect people in conservative TN for images of a black man and white woman. It was uncalled for and wrong.

Obama is the worse the Dems could have picked and it will be seen in the fall when he loses.

He should get off his own self grandizing pedestal now--because the fall will be very hard when reality hits November 4th.

And where did McCain use race? What did McCain say about Rev Wright?

ROB

Here's the spot. Tell me it wasn't a blatant racist attempt to paint Ford as a screwer of white women

www.youtube.com

Americans are just whiners.

A lot of them are... www.drudge.com

I don't look like those other presidents on the dollar bill.....OMG!!!! It's a Black Panther!!!!
He's playing the race card. OMG!!!
Puhleeeeeez!
Won't matter, McBush won't remember it tomorrow anyway.

He gets up every morning and asks "where am I, why am I here."

Here's the spot. Tell me it wasn't a blatant racist attempt to paint Ford as a screwer of white women

www.youtube.com

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I've seen it, and like I said in my last post it was an attempt to play on racist feelings of backwater tennessee mountain folk...

Still doesn't make the McCain spot the same thing...

He gets up every morning and asks "where am I, why am I here."

Posted by danni

And what does that say about Barack that he's losing to McCain among likely voters in one poll and only 1 point ahead in another?

MURPHY

You now stand for everything you used to be against when you voted for Gore and Hillary?

Come on now. You're really stretching credibility "here at DR".

"And what does that say about Barack that he's losing to McCain among likely voters in one poll and only 1 point ahead in another?"

More importantly, what does it say about polls that don't count folks who only have cell phones...such as myself, all my kids, all their freinds, all the people I work with.....

Obama is the worse the Dems could have picked and it will be seen in the fall when he loses.

In truth, politics doesn't attract competent people. The system is designed to weed them out, so that the higher the office, the worse they get. The worst gets the top office.

"And what does that say about Barack that he's losing to McCain among likely voters in one poll and only 1 point ahead in another?"

That concerns me less than what it says about us as a Nation.

I think you are confusing it with the McRAcist email you got which said Obama is an angry black man who can't be trusted with Paris and Britney.
Danni--


Where in this ad does Obama look angry and can't be trusted with Paris or Spears?

Where is the language--point it out Danni.


AU--you obviously can't read--go read my post again.

Gore was moderate and had the most experience when I voted in 2000.

I voted for Dems and Independents for years before that.

9/11 changed everything.

You haven't been here long enough to read my posts.

Go racebait somewhere else.

I'm glad you saw it ROB

The McCain ad is just a more subtle way of doing the same thing.

Blond bimbos. Same story

Ray--your post has some truth in it and applies to just about all elected officials at every level.

There are some good folks in office --somewhere in the country--I'm sure.

"9/11 changed everything."

Hell yeah, got to reelect the team that was on watch for nine months before it happened and who still haven't caught the guys who did it and who used it as an excuse to carry out an invasion of Iraq planned long before 9-11. Completely logical.

The ad was equating Obama and his celebrity status with bimbos who have no substance.

No racism.

MURPHY

And yet you abandon every stance Hillary stood for to bash Obama over and over and over again even though they were pretty much in agreement about everything.

I've been here a year.

It doesn't matter. Obama will win CA by a landslide whether or not you vote for him.


I think you are confusing it with the McRAcist email you got which said Obama is an angry black man who can't be trusted with Paris and Britney.
Danni--


Where in this ad does Obama look angry and can't be trusted with Paris or Spears?


Where is the language--point it out Danni.

?????

"The worst gets the top office."

Especially if the SC pitches in to make sure.

Murphy, I'm not serious but I am just doing exactly the same thing the McCain campaign did when they tried to pretend Obama was "playing the race card" by saying he doesn't look like other president. That didn't denigrate anyone who is white, he is just proud of who he is. Didn't Hilary sometimes make use of the fact that she is female??
Doesn't McCAin make use of the fact that his family has a military heritage.
Nothing wrong with ANY of those things, including Obama's remarks. It was a very cheap shot by the McCain campaign and if they want to play that way then it is completely fair to then say the Hilton/Spears ad was racially motivated. Equally truthful.

AU--

You are being daft--

I never voted for Hillary--ever--and never voted for Bill either.

Obama makes a great speech--I was registered as Dem for the CA primary.

I can't stand Hillary--so I voted for Barry. I voted for Edwards in 2004 in the primary. I wanted Kerry to pick him as VP and figured if he showed good in CA--he would pick him--and he did! I voted in the GOV CA primary for Angelise (sp?)--the most liberal asshole on the Dem ticket for possiblities. He won and lost miserably to Arnold. (He's a different thread)

Obama was void of any substance and then Wright hit in March and lost his mojo after that and continueing today.

Oh please by all means quote for me some McCain campaign official or even any GOP official using Obama's race against him as Obama said they are doing...

Don't be a retard, Rob.

Official campaign literature and speeches and interviews would not include any of the ugly, racist underbelly of the rethug party.

That stuff's mostly left to surrogates, astroturfers, anonymous chain e-mail smear campaigns, push polls and reich wing radio.

Spud's point is that Obama has deliberately made a effort from the beginning of the campaign to rise above race but that the questions and inferences are all around him in the MSM, on the web, an in a lot of people's minds.

In the main Obama's been successful at presenting himself as a candidate who transcends traditional race based politics of the past.

But fer you to suggest that Obama is the one playing the race card, parroting the current GOPher talking points du jour, is just assinine.

Traditionally GOPhers get elected by playing to people's fears and there exists in certain quarters still in the US certain folks who habitiually exhibit a fear of a black planet.

GOPher feed those fears.

FOX describing Obama as a secret Muslim.

Rush playing that "Magic Negro" song over and over.

Subtle buttons available fer sale at GOP events.

If you don't think the GOP will stoop to playing on racial fears in order to win elections all you have to do is talk to the unsuccessful GOP candidate fer the 2000 presidential nomination.

John McCain.

Bush sank McCain's chances back then with an aggressive push poll that suggested that McCain's adopted daughter from India was a luff chile from an illicit relationship with a woman of color.

As deplorable as it is dependable where GOPhers are concerned.

Anyhoo... to think that those exact same fears aren't gonna be played on again in 2008 in order to try and get McCain elected displays a shocking level of naivete as well as a serious lack of historical knowledge.

Tsk Tsk.

Be Well.

Official campaign literature and speeches and interviews would not include any of the ugly, racist underbelly of the rethug party.

So you can't quote for me anyone in the campaign or from the GOP bringing up Obama's race...

Thanks

Rob, by saying he was playing the "race card" they were bringing up his race. If Hilary Clinton said she didn't look like any of the presidents on the dollar bill would she have been accused of being sexist??? I don't think so.

Remember when some folks wondered...is he black enough???

Official campaign literature and speeches and interviews would not include any of the ugly, racist underbelly of the rethug party.

Of course not, we have angry left-wing idiot bloggers to add that element.

The McCain ad is just a more subtle way of doing the same thing.

Isn't it possible that's not at all what they were trying to do and Obama and his supporters are just seeing it that way because he is Black?

Just a note to anyone/everyone who enjoys a black and tan... Lagerhead Black & Tan Turtle

Rob, by saying he was playing the "race card" they were bringing up his race.

Which they only did because he accused them of being racists who will scare Americans by pointing out how black his skin is...

When did he accuse them of being racists???

I'm asking here, did I miss something. Link please.

Maverick my ass!

McCain is not only a PHONEY, he now looks like a big pussy. He is now a typical rightwing racist liar. Its like you can call someone the N word and if they respond to it, blame them for race baiting. This srategy is only appealing to the GOP RACIST and XENOPHOBIC base which is about 28%, the same that approve of Bush

Now we find out that McCain had an attack ad against Obama if he did visit the troops in Germany. Cant wait for that to come out, God Bless the GOP operative that spilled the beans!

I hope and I think Obama will make McCain shit his pants before it is over so that the albino dwarf will only have his own shit all over himself to show for it. Maybe Cindy, MAN Coulter and Laura Ingraham can give the old troll a lap bath.

The BULLSHIT EXPRESS is derailing faster than thought.

He said they will point out how black his skin is????

Link Please

Me thinks you make shit up Rob.

Danni--I agree with your point that Obama can talk about his ethnicity--he is black--no problem.

What he is saying though is that folks are going to try and scare them (the voters) because he is black and has a funny name.

No one is talking about Obama being black except him--he is the one saying folks will be scared or be told to be scared because he doesn't look like other presidents.

No on except Obama has said he doesn't look like past presidents--except him.

We all know he won't look like past POTUS--no shit sherlock. He is making it a joke and playing the race card with these remarks. We can all laugh about the joke--but it doesn't change the fact that he is using race. Because he equates his being black with being scary--and No one has said or inferred this except Obama.

He can do it-make jokes and claim "They" are going to say things that point to him being scary---at his own peril.

McCain--if he puts up some racial ad (Paris is not racial--where does she say "Call me Barry"?)--it would be totally at his own peril.

But Barry has bigger problems and they must have some internal numbers to support whatever the problems are and need to get out of the downward trend he is in.

For the record--these campaigns can put up any ad they want--it's free speech--and if it's wrong they can suffer irreversible harm.

Traditionally GOPhers get elected by playing to people's fears...

there are racists out there....no argument there.

But playing on people's fears is a job well done by ALL politicians.

you are a complete idiot to think otherwise.


"The BULLSHIT EXPRESS is derailing faster than thought."

But please, not until he is officially the nominee. I don't want them to put someone in there who is still capable of mounting a rational campaign.

Rob-
So you can't quote me anyone from the Obama campaign saying that McCain is a racist?

"For the record--these campaigns can put up any ad they want--it's free speech--and if it's wrong they can suffer irreversible harm."

Absolutely true and the opponent can respond to them any way they want. If Obama's surrogates think they can make it appear that the Spears/Hilton ad was a veiled racist slur they have every right to do it. Both campaigns need to get out of the gutter and get back to talking about issues. Just as Obama's color is obvious, his tenure in the Senate is a well known fact too. If McCain doesn't want to start dealing with ads that paint him as a senile old fart then they better stop trying to pretend Obama is some naive, irresponsible teenager.

"'He's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. He doesn't look like all the presidents on the dollar bills,'" said Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president.

in.reuters.com

That's Obama saying what the tactics of McCain and the GOP will be against him... he's black, has a muslim name... kind of sounds like the stuff racists would do...

"The BULLSHIT EXPRESS is derailing faster than thought."


But please, not until he is officially the nominee. I don't want them to put someone in there who is still capable of mounting a rational campaign.

Posted by danni


That is my only fear as well

He didn't visit the troops in the hospital...he wouldn't without his reporters and cameramen....he isn't patriotic, he doesn't care about the troops......like I said way above....fire with fire and McAncient provides lots of ammunition....he should start running a more ethical campaign....or get ready to be DESTROYED.

He didn't flip flop...he forgot!

they better stop trying to pretend Obama is some naive, irresponsible teenager.


But Danni--Obama is naive and on the scale of political experience he is still in the sandbox.

Murphy-
re: "Obama is naive and on the scale of political experience he is still in the sandbox."

Which is why Bush is now holding talks with Iran, McCain AND Bush are backing withdrawal timelines in Iraq, and both Bush and McCain have very recently called for an increase in troop strength in Afghanistan --

All positions held for at least a year by Obama.

MURPHY there is no reason at all to believe that years in the Senate qualify anyone to be president.
Example. No serious person who intends to be president would EVER make light of a war as McCain did when he sang, on camera...bomb, bomb, bomb, let's bomb Iran. I really don't think people understood the level of irresponsibility that McCain showed when he did that. Wars have been started over less. He is a US Senator. Responsible leaders don't do things like that...EVER!!!
McCain is the one that needs to demonstrate some knowledge (which is obviously lacking) some judgment (which he obviously didn't show when he authorized the Iraq invasion, and some experience which he demonstrates he does not have by flip flopping on withdrawl timetables for Iraq.

Obama has been entirely consistent throughout the entire Iraq war, he can look foreign leaders in the eye and say he used good judgement and they can depend on the fact that he will not start unnecessary, disastrous, treasury draining wars which McCain simply cannot say.

he's black, has a muslim name... kind of sounds like the stuff racists would do...

Racists?

But not Republican racists?

You mean that right wing bloggers and assholes like Rush aren't gonna refer to Obama as "Hussein" over and over again?

Keep insisting that he's a secret muslim?

An angry radical racist?

An associate of known black terrorists?

He's not describing wot the right WILL do, you moron.

He's describing wot they HAVE done, ARE doing right now and will CONTINUE to do up until November and prolly even well after Obama is sworn in.

Give yer head a shake.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Rob-
So you're saying that even though you can't say where the Obama campaign said McCain is a racist, it was implied?

So you're saying that even though you can't say where the Obama campaign said McCain is a racist, it was implied?

Posted by BetelG

When Obama said he isn't like the Presidents on the currency, he didn't mean race? What did he mean... they were qualified?

Rob and Murphy must think the rest of us can't read what's already been posted above from other conservatives about how McCain's destroying his brand along with the hopes of Republicans everywhere with his High School Musical type of whacky political attacks:

Wall Street Journal columnist Daniel Henninger looks at John McCain's tax policy and concludes, "This isn't a flip-flop. It's a sex-change operation." He continues:

"What I'm asking is, does John McCain have the mental focus, the intellectual discipline, to avoid being out-slicked by Barack Obama, if he isn't abandoned by his own voters?
...

Why as well shouldn't the Obama camp exploit all of this? If Sen. Obama's "inexperience" is Mr. McCain's ace in the hole, why not trump that by asking, "Does Sen. McCain know his own mind?"
...

Yes, Sen. McCain has honor and country. Another month of illogical, impolitic remarks and Sen. McCain will erase even that. Absent a coherent message for voters, he will be one-on-one with Barack Obama in the fall. He will lose."

The Chicago Tribune's Frank James comments: "More evidence that Sen. John McCain is giving fits to many conservatives, like those who comprise The Wall Street Journal's editorial board: they're asking aloud if he's stupid."

www.huffingtonpost.com

But we Obama supporters are the ONLY ONES seeing the stupidity of McCain's lame-o attack ads....yeah....

None are so blind as they who will not see.

:Obama is naive and on the scale of political experience he is still in the sandbox."

This is the McCain campaign in a nutshell but Obama can destroy McCain by answering with McCain is an elderly, out of touch with reality, angry, unpredictable, forgetful, old man who doesn't even know Iran is a Shia nation that would never be a part of Al Quaeda, a Sunni nation.
He shows inexperience and lack of knowledge despite his years in the Senate. One ends up asking, what has he been doing all this time because he sure didn't learn anything. I can honestly say, my knowldege of Iran and Iraq seems greater than his.
That's pathetic and is definitely not presidential.

Rob-
re: "So you can't quote for me anyone in the campaign or from the GOP bringing up Obama's race..."

It has been heavily implied (by your own standard)

Tony, dead serious question... if given the opportunity would you blow Barack Obama?

When Jon Stewart joked on the Daily Show that on his overseas trip Barack Obama stopped off in Bethlehem to visit the manger where he was born the first person I thought of was you.

Oh and we all know that right wing talk is not invited to the WH, is not included in Republican circles, etc. Yeah, I really believe that Fox, Rush, etc. aren't unofficial parts of the McCain campaign. Riiight.

And hey, McCain didn't actually hire one of the Swift Boat Vets for his campaign.

It has been heavily implied (by your own standard)

Posted by BetelG

I quoted you Obama directly playing the race card... bringing up his own race. Show me McCain doing anything similiar at all...

Rob-
Dead serious question. Would you blow W AGAIN?

AU--I voted for Gore--never Hillary--and I voted for OBAMA in the CA primary.

MURPHY

You're a very confused person. You never changed your party registration, yet you're obviously a Republican. You forget your posting history is available to read.

I am not voting for Obama--therefore no buyer's remorse for me...;o)

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-02 12:22 AM

clinton supporters will defect to gop......


Damn glad to have them!

Posted by MURPHY

Deal with your Buyer's Remorse--it will come soon enough.

Obama is going for an O-fer.....

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-11 11:17 PM

And yes--pick Sabileus as the VP--

Should really work well with the Hillary supporters.

They are up 1.5 million now--get to 3-5 million by November--yahoo!

www.Clintons4McCain.com

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-17 02:59 PM

Next President Could Replace Liberal Justice

Yes and praying it will be McCain.

Posted by MURPHY

AU--I voted for Gore--never Hillary--and I voted for OBAMA in the CA primary.

MURPHY

You're a very confused person. You never changed your party registration, yet you're obviously a Republican. You forget your posting history is available to read. Of a very confused Hillary supporter

I am not voting for Obama--therefore no buyer's remorse for me...;o)

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-02 12:22 AM

clinton supporters will defect to gop......


Damn glad to have them!

Posted by MURPHY

Deal with your Buyer's Remorse--it will come soon enough.

Obama is going for an O-fer.....

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-11 11:17 PM

And yes--pick Sabileus as the VP--

Should really work well with the Hillary supporters.

They are up 1.5 million now--get to 3-5 million by November--yahoo!

www.Clintons4McCain.com

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-17 02:59 PM

Next President Could Replace Liberal Justice

Yes and praying it will be McCain.

Posted by MURPHY

And hey, McCain didn't actually hire one of the Swift Boat Vets for his campaign.

Posted by danni

In all seriousness, why wouldn't you hire them...

in 2004 they took a war hero and turned him into a wine sipping cheese nibbling pussy who didn't earn any of his medals in the eyes of a majority of Americans...

You have to be fucking talented to pull that off.

Rob-
Race is not a "card", and if I hear that insipid phrase again my brain may explode.

"When Obama said he isn't like the Presidents on the currency, he didn't mean race? What did he mean... they were qualified?"

So what if he meant that he would be the first black president. That's pretty historic. Why shouldn't he mention it??? Should he pretend he's white??? Pretend it isn't historic. Pretend that there aren't millions of voters who won't vote for him specifically for that reason????
In Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. is it an issue or not??? Is that his fault???

Dead serious question. Would you blow W AGAIN?

Posted by BetelG

clever and more importantly, original.

When Obama said he isn't like the Presidents on the currency, he didn't mean race?

Get the quote right. He said he doesn't LOOK LIKE the Presidents on the dollar bills. McCain does moreso because he's old and already has white hair, not to mention he's darker than all the others, ergo, he LOOKS DIFFERENT.

By your wingnut definitions, Obama can't mention his own physical appearance without playing the race card? You guys have skipped over stupid and gone straight into crazy without stopping first at insane for a drink of water!

Funny McCainites, (fits doesn't it for those wishing for the prehistoric candidate to win) Obama first made the SAME REFERENCE back on June 20th and you didn't call him a baiter then, did you? He even used the two words, "black man" then as well, and nary a peep from the old-age home.

You guys are so lame, you make lame look like a gold medal sprinter.

Rob-
re: "in 2004 they took a war hero and turned him into a wine sipping cheese nibbling pussy who didn't earn any of his medals in the eyes of a majority of Americans..."

You do have a proud tradition of lies and gutter tactics on your side.

Danni he didn't mention it as a historic footnote to his campaign, he brought it up as an attack the GOP was going to use against him...

"In all seriousness, why wouldn't you hire them..."

McCain spoke out against them in 2004 I believe. Is it just another flip flop, this time an ethical flip flop. He should hire them because the are scum who attacked a decorated war hero with lies.

Race is not a "card", and if I hear that insipid phrase again my brain may explode.

RACE CARD!
RACE CARD!
RACE CARD!
RACE CARD!
RACE CARD!

I hope that did the trick.

Rob-
re: clever and more importantly, original.

You didn't answer the question. Would you do it again, if given the opportunity?

"Danni he didn't mention it as a historic footnote to his campaign, he brought it up as an attack the GOP was going to use against him..."

And he was absolutely correct, you can seen the righties here do it every day, you can hear it on the unofficial parts of the campaign...right wing talk radio...every day. It's a fact, like BETELG said, it isn't a card.

Get the quote right. He said he doesn't LOOK LIKE the Presidents on the dollar bills. McCain does moreso because he's old and already has white hair, not to mention he's darker than all the others, ergo, he LOOKS DIFFERENT.

Can you guys just fucking admit it was a racial comment... for fucks sake... its not that hard.

Obama wasn't just saying "I'm a black guy" he was saying they are going to use his race as a political attack...

No, ROB, you just have to be a traitorous liar to pull that off

You didn't answer the question. Would you do it again, if given the opportunity?

Posted by BetelG

You can't steal someone elses joke and then try to act like its a serious response... hack.

Apparently Rob and the Republicans want us to pretend that right wing talk radio, Fox News, etc. aren't part of the REpublican slime machine. Sorry, that train already left the station. It's a fact and both sides know it and us Dems aren't about to pretend differently.

Rob's got a point. I don't think Obama really meant, "I don't have a powdered wig".

Danni-
I thought it was pretty cool when they did that illegitimate black love child number on McCain in 2000. Almost as good as the he's unstable and probably brainwashed due to his time as a POW bit. But it got George W elected (and then Rob blew him, and might do it again, if given the opportunity...)

I think if I were Obama I would now start talking about my race at every opportunity, wear it out. Make people realize that this "race card" crap is just a cheap attempt to distract voters from issues.

Rob-
You still didn't answer the question. BTW, how was it when you blew him the first time?


No, ROB, you just have to be a traitorous liar to pull that off

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Traitorous? Its not treason to bring up questions about someone's service... especially if the way that person accepted the presidential nominee was to go up to podium and salute like a douche and say he's reporting for duty.

Kerry's campaign platform was, "Vote for me, I was a soldier 40 years ago." he opened himself up to those attacks, there was nothing treasonous about it... and if Kerry were the badass soldier he played himself up to be he would have fought back.

America dodged a bullet big time in 2004

"Obama wasn't just saying "I'm a black guy" he was saying they are going to use his race as a political attack..."

Cuz they are. Cuz they do. Cuz they already have.


Rob's got a point. I don't think Obama really meant, "I don't have a powdered wig".

Posted by goatman

"I'm not like those Presidents on our money... I won't go to war with England," Obama shouted before a crowd of 20,000 fruits.

I think if I were Obama I would now start talking about my race at every opportunity, wear it out.

put that on your resume and send it to obama....I'm sure he'll call.

:-(

Rob and others:

Kerry's campaign platform was, "Vote for me, I was a soldier 40 years ago." he opened himself up to those attacks.....

Gee, that doesn't remind anyone of any current presidential candidates, does it?

You still didn't answer the question. BTW, how was it when you blew him the first time?

betelg -- I never, ever, ever want to hear you telling me again that I am not serious and that I am snarky when I post on this blog. OK?

OK Rob, then an attack on McCain's behavior while a prisoner would be ok??? I've read that he sang like a song bird after torture. Hey, I don't blame him and I wouldn't use it against him but the scum bags in the Swift Boat Liars, if they were paid by the Dems, wouldn't hesitate. Remember John O'neil was PAID by Nixon to constantly harrass Kerry for his entire career. But hey, if your candidate wants scum like that around him then fine, kind of makes you understand why he also has Phil Graham around.
He likes scum bags. Pretty indicative of the type of advisors he'd have if elected.

Rob-
re: "America dodged a bullet big time in 2004"

Oh,but you didn't, did ya' you tart? You took it right on the chin for W. :)

Gee, that doesn't remind anyone of any current presidential candidates, does it?

Posted by BetelG

Hey Carlos Mencia of the Drudge Retort, when John McCain salutes at the convention and fruitily cries, "I'm John McCain and I'm reporting for duty," then you'll have a point and AIDS, but now you're just stuck with AIDS...

Rob-
I guess warming up his rallies with footage from his 'Nam days doesn't count?

OK Rob, then an attack on McCain's behavior while a prisoner would be ok???

It would be fine, it would also be up to McCain to fight back...

Personally I hope the Left does try to attack McCain's service... because it will tell us a lot about McCain, either he will be a man and fight back, or he'll be John Kerry.

Rob-
So, I guess my question should really be, would you blow W for a third time, if given the chance?

Rob-
re: "Personally I hope the Left does try to attack McCain's service..."

It worked for the Right in 2000, when you were blowing George for the first time.

I guess warming up his rallies with footage from his 'Nam days doesn't count?

Posted by BetelG

I have no problem with him using his service in his campaign, and I had no problem John Kerry using it either... its making it the central theme of this campaign that I thought was stupid of Kerry...

What was more of the focus of kerry's campaign, his Senate career or his time in Vietnam? McCain is running on his career in the Senate, and they're also bringing up his military life, but it is not all he's running with like Kerry did.

"America dodged a bullet big time in 2004"

That is a seriously laughable comment. Looking back on this adminstration I simply do not believe you even believe it. I don't think you could convince me you are that stupid.

Rob and Murphy...

Even though you what to appear obtuse and completely unaware, even McCain supporters are asking him why he's abandoned what he's said earlier to practice the politics of personal destruction:

Woman asking question: First of all, Sen. McCain, I want to commend you on your service for our country. But earlier this year in April, you made comments about the mudslinging and how it had been affecting the other campaigns and how you didn't want to do that. But recently, especially last week when Obama went to Europe, it seems like there were a lot of campaign ads that you put out that were doing that. And the one yesterday comparing him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, I was like, OK. So it seems like to Americans like me and other people that you may have flip-flopped on what you said earlier. And what is your response to that?--

McCain: First of all, let me say there are differences, and we are drawing those differences. And I said earlier, I admire his campaign. But what we are talking about here is substance and not style. And what we are talking about is who has an agenda for the future of America. Campaigns are tough, but I'm proud of the campaign that we have run. I'm proud of the issues that we have been trying to address with the American people. So, all I can say is that we are proud of that commercial."

A lot of reporters are seizing on the fact that McCain is proud-- of his ridiculous commercial, which is clearly odd. But I was also struck by his insistence that what we are talking about here is substance and not style.-- I didn't see McCain's facial expression, but I can't help but wonder if (and how) he kept a straight face.

Substance and not style? Has there been anything of any substance at all from the McCain campaign in months? I suppose there was at least some policy talk recently when McCain commented on his tax proposals, his position on affirmative action, his position on gay adoption, and his ideas for Social Security but this substance-- didn't last long, because McCain's campaign, in each instance, said he didn't really mean what he was saying.

www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com

So what's so painfully obvious to even a staunch McCain supporter remains oblivious to you two?

That is a seriously laughable comment. Looking back on this adminstration I simply do not believe you even believe it. I don't think you could convince me you are that stupid.

Posted by danni

Whatever Bush may be he's better then Kerry... an entire group of people made him a pussy in the eyes of America when in reality he is a war hero. And he didn't fight back in the slightest... he barely even replied... sorry but that's fucking ridiculous... he belongs no where near the White House.

Gee, that doesn't remind anyone of any current presidential candidates, does it?

Posted by BetelG

Then get after it or STFU.

BTW, when you ask repeated questions about blowjobs then you must be obsessed with it.

Rob-
"its making it the central theme of this campaign that I thought was stupid of Kerry..."

What else is there for McCain to run on? Obviously not much, as he only talks about Obama.

"What was more of the focus of kerry's campaign, his Senate career or his time in Vietnam?"

I won't claim he ran the greatest campaign but he campaigned on the isses of the day. He said he would end tax breaks for companies that outsource jobs for one thing. He didn't say "no nation building" and then go become a nation builder.
His mistake was not attacking back stronly enough at the Swift Boat Liars, specifically one of the dumbbest things he did was to refuse to release his military records until after the election and then there was nothing damaging in them. That was dumb.

Tony, when you cut and paste from other sites I just gloss right over it... I'm here to read what posters have to say and converse with them... If I wanted to read the Huffington Post, I'd go there.

Obviously not much, as he only talks about Obama.

Posted by BetelG

Yes I read Obama saying that exact same thing BetelGMencia...

I'm disappointed... I thought I was the only one you stole lines from. Oh well.

Looking back on this adminstration I simply do not believe you even believe it. I don't think you could convince me you are that stupid.

Well, Kerry is the one who lost against this administration. That is proof enough of what a lame ass candidate he was.

Eberly-
I think that distinction falls to the wuss who first used it as an insult and now can't hack it when it's effectively turned on him.

BTW, when you ask repeated questions about blowjobs then you must be obsessed with it.

All snark aside, I think betelg actually gets a chubby every time he types that line

Rob-
re: "Yes I read Obama saying that exact same thing BetelGMencia..."

Point me to a big McCain ad that does not mention Obama.

"And he didn't fight back in the slightest... he barely even replied... sorry but that's fucking ridiculous... he belongs no where near the White House."

He made the mistake of running a too-civil campaign against the ruthless Rove and all the right wing slime machine. It didn't make me think less of him, it made me think less of AMerica. Look at the nit wit who got elected...OMG!!!
Biggest deficit in history, BTW.

"That is proof enough of what a lame ass candidate he was...."

Yah. Without a few voting irregularities in Ohio, we'd have about 2,000 more US servicemen alive today.

"All snark aside, I think betelg actually gets a chubby every time he types that line"

It is all or mostly guys on them oil rigs right???
Sort of like prison, right???

Danni another point about Kerry and yeah, I'll admit this is a gotcha moment, but how can you disagree with me that America dodged a bullet in 2004 when John Kerry's NUMBER 1 choice for Vice President was John McCain?

If John McCain is so awful why would you think Kerry would make a good or even average president if he thought so highly of McCain that he should be next in line for the Presidency.

Either McCain is terrible and so was Kerry or you've flip-flopped because you just want a Democrat to win in 2008...

Goatman-
You do understand that Rob took a conversation among adults and decided to ask Tony if he'd like to blow Obama, and now can't handle the feedback without his "buddies" helping him out?

And on the common sense front, can anyone explain how injecting RACE into the campaign is seen as a winner for the Obama campaign?

You guys really think that Obama WINS when race and all the latent fears and prejudice becomes an issue instead of his proposals, policies and ideas when blacks comprise only 14% of the electorate?

Please, tell us how race works into Obama's advantage. We're WAITING.....

Well, at least they're true to McCain's own mentality: BATSHIT CRAZY!!!!

Danni-
They seem to enjoy their buddies. Goatman keeps signing up.

and now can't handle the feedback without his "buddies" helping him out?

Posted by BetelG

Feedback? All you did was take my joke and tweak it a little, now you can't stop talking about blowjobs...

He made the mistake of running a too-civil campaign against the ruthless Rove and all the right wing slime machine.

He was too big of a pussy to deal with them. Hence, too big a pussy to be president. I think Howard Dean would have stood up to them way better.

"Danni another point about Kerry and yeah, I'll admit this is a gotcha moment, but how can you disagree with me that America dodged a bullet in 2004 when John Kerry's NUMBER 1 choice for Vice President was John McCain?"

No gotcha, remember that was the John McCain AGAINST THE BUSH TAX CUT FOR THE RICH, what is really sad though is the new improved John McCain considering LIEBERMAN for his VP. It's almost incestuous these days.

Please, tell us how race works into Obama's advantage. We're WAITING.....

White guilt...

Painting McCain as a racist...

If I wanted to read the Huffington Post, I'd go there.

Translation: When I'm confronted by facts and opinions counter to my belief, I ignore them and continue to argue about subjects where I don't have an intelligent thing to say, just a lot of noise and jibberish to hijack any meaningful discourse.

If I wanted the truth, I wouldn't post diddly, and I certainly wouldn't read.

t is really sad though is the new improved John McCain considering LIEBERMAN for his VP

Yeah, bi-partisan ship is always so sad...

"If John McCain is so awful...."

He's not so awful. But he's not good enough this year.

The best thing about a McCain presidency is I truly think it would make Bush eat his liver much more than Obama.

Lieberman would be a wonderful choice for McCain.

It is all or mostly guys on them oil rigs right???

Most of them are right. They think I'm a flaming liberal.

"He was too big of a pussy to deal with them."

Let's be honest, it still remains to be seen if ANYONE can deal with them. Come on they have 24/7 to bash any Democrat, they can say anything they want and their listeners will believe anything they say even when you prove to them it's a lie. Since REagan ended the Fairness Doctrine it is very difficult for any Dem to win and if they do then they start a 70 million dollar witch hunt on them.
Eberly and Rob, you both are intelligent enough to recognize the power of the slime machine and hopefully honest enough to admit it. It won't hurt, I promise not to tell.

Translation: When I'm confronted by facts and opinions counter to my belief, I ignore them and continue to argue about subjects where I don't have an intelligent thing to say, just a lot of noise and jibberish to hijack any meaningful discourse.

EXACTLY!!!!

Or its that I just don't feel like reading entire webpages you've copied and pasted into the thread... either or...

White guilt...

Painting McCain as a racist...

Yeah, America has always ELECTED the black guy when confronted with its racist past.

That's why Jesse Jackson was our 42nd President and Harold Ford is the junior Senator from Tennessee....

Please try harder. I'm not laughing yet.

TONY-
A agree it's not to Obama's advantage for race to be a factor. Unlike diabetes or heart disease, he can't hide he's a few shades darker than khaki, so it's as much a visual determinant as, say, McCain's snow white hair. It's part of the package that comprises who/what he is.

Sort of like prison, right???

Sort of except we get to go home every two weeks for two weeks. And the food is much better. No nutraloaf.

And I'm going home tomorrow morning weather and helicopter permitting.

Fairness Doctrine

What is it with Democrats and wanting to give everyone a trophy?

Life isn't fair... don't like it, go fuck yourself (not you specifically, just anyone in general who thinks the fairness doctrine or participation trophies are a good idea)

Race does not work to Obama's advantage. Obama knows that. Everyone but the current ignoramuses swarming this blog knows that.

You do understand that Rob took a conversation among adults and decided to ask Tony if he'd like to blow Obama, and now can't handle the feedback without his "buddies" helping him out?

Yes. I saw that he did that once

"They have 24/7 to bash any Democrat...."

I mentioned this a couple of days ago, but this week Rush was tearing into Pelosi for being rich and being able to fill up her care regardless.

This was just a few days after he was bragging how rich he is and how is able to fill his car up regardless.

So, do his fans really never recognize such simple BS?


Race does not work to Obama's advantage.

Posted by BetelG

then why did he bring it up?

Rob-
Just because "fairness doctrine" somehow got lodged in your ass is no reason to just pull it out and examine it in public for no fucking reason whatever aside from the fact you happened to be digging.

Since REagan ended the Fairness Doctrine it is very difficult for any Dem to win and if they do then they start a 70 million dollar witch hunt on them

How do you keep from killing yourself? There is no end to your victimization of an entire Party!!!!

Okay, I'll help out here Danni. You think I am a ruthless rightwing thug....right?

I'll vote for Obama, okay?

"Then why did he bring it up...?"

As Tony was trying to tell you, does he ever HAVE to bring it up? How many will vote GOP this year because they are frightened of Black men?

This shit justs gets funnier and funnier by the minute!

Hiltons Donated To McCain, Fuming Over "Celeb" Ad

It also seems that the eldest Hilton, William Barron Hilton (who has also contributed money to McCain), is furious with ad, according to conservative blogger and McCain supporter Martin Eisenstadt....

www.eisenstadtgroup.com

I'm gonna bust my gut!

The second question is, are you glad the GOP will have all those racist votes?


Rob-
Just because "fairness doctrine" somehow got lodged in your ass is no reason to just pull it out and examine it in public for no fucking reason whatever aside from the fact you happened to be digging.

Posted by BetelG

Okay, A) Its clear now you have some amazing issues to deal with. B) Danni brought it up.

If you can't pay attention to the thread, leave it... because right now, we're all embarassed for you.

"Life isn't fair... don't like it, go fuck yourself"

But see Rob, I'm fine with that but the only problem is that due to their ability to control masses of people they can alter election results and you get Iraq wars, huge deficits, Patriot Acts, etc. Someday, when the dollar is worth about ten cents you will consider that I told you that the fairness doctrine wasn't a device designed to help Democrats win elections, it was a method, perhaps the wrong method, but a method to try to insure that policies of candidates decided elections not propaganda but out by 24/7 talk radio hosts paid by wealthy corporations who's agenda was not necessarily based on the welfare of this country but on their own bottom line and their own power.
I don't want the fairness doctrine back, but I do want to deconsolidate the media and force competition between various views because if we don't the last seven years will seem like the beginning of the end of this country as we know it.

Rob-
He didn't "bring it up". It's coming up in shit-blossoms.

Rob and Danni-
Danni, really!

My bad.

Betelg, is it okay to reply to Danni's 1053 post? are you caught up yet?

TONY-
I don't recall the exact timeframe here so bear with me... but Obama was cruising right along early in the campaign when Hillary was the frontrunner.

After a good Iowa showing and decent New Hampshire, etc... it came time for South Carolina.

Then, just as Rush predicted, the Clinton smear team kicked into gear. Bill talking about Jackson & SC, etc.

But the larger race issue is Rev Wright. That will not go away and, if he loses, will be a big factor. America is simply not going to vote for a black man who is too closely associated with folks like Rev Wright. Mrs Obama did her hubby no favors with some of her ill-chosen words. Words spoken by perhaps a political neophyte, but are still out there. Any wonder why she's been removed from her former high profile in the campaign? Same for Rev Wright and anyone else of his, uh, enthusiasm.

The fact Obama hesitated to distance himself from Wright was also telling.


Rob and Danni-
Danni, really!


My bad.

Posted by BetelG

Yeah, its good you didn't go off on some creepy and disturbing gay bashing/self hating rant when you thought I just brought it up for the hell of it...

Oh... shit...

"Okay, I'll help out here Danni. You think I am a ruthless rightwing thug....right?"

Actually Eberly, I have you pegged differently. I really always considered you to be a true conservative who supports candidates and policies that you really aren't all that comfortable with but that you simply aren't a liberal and can't vote Democrat. I never considered you thuggish and usually I can have a relatively intellligent conversation with you. Not always but usually. I probably could tolerate you in person as oppposed to, say a SEANR, who I simply would dismiss as an idiot. I actually do have friends like you and we debate often and remain friends and laugh about our differences.

Rob-
When you borrow the hair from someone else's balls required to admit obvious error, then you can give me some hell. Until then...

but out by 24/7 talk radio hosts paid by wealthy corporations...

Do you listen to the radio in the middle of the night?

TONY-
(I) agree it's not to Obama's advantage for race to be a factor. Unlike diabetes or heart disease, he can't hide he's a few shades darker than khaki, so it's as much a visual determinant as, say, McCain's snow white hair. It's part of the package that comprises who/what he is.---Oohrah

Thank you for being one of the few vocal conservatives being honest with what you see.

Do you understand why so many loathe those who lack this much common decency not to admit when their own side goes off the deep end?

Yes, all is fair in love and politics, but blatant lying and manipulation must be called out for what it is. McCain said he was against this and respected the process and the voters, then he launches ads that make even his supporters go "Whaaaat he say?...Nawwww, you're kidding, right?"

I don't want the fairness doctrine back, but I do want to deconsolidate the media and force competition between various views because if we don't the last seven years will seem like the beginning of the end of this country as we know it.

Posted by danni

Do I have a brain tumor that is causing me to imagine some radio station called Air America? That it pretty much failed miserably because nobody wanted to hear Liberal talk radio? I was like 100% sure that happened, but maybe it didn't... maybe I'm in the Matrix...

Competition can only exist if its a real competition... Just telling people, "Hey there's liberal radio too" isn't going to do anything. Millions of people listen to Rush, and Hannity and Right Wing radio because its entertaining... and that's precisely why no one listened to AA.

"Yeah, its good you didn't go off on some creepy and disturbing gay bashing/self hating rant"

You are a strange person, dude. You go for the nads everytime. Envy, I suppose.

I just want to know if Spanish is still a Marxist language? Rush siad it was last week.


Rob-
When you borrow the hair from someone else's balls required to admit obvious error, then you can give me some hell. Until then...

Posted by BetelG

Another gay bashing post? Creepier, and creepier...

"Do you listen to the radio in the middle of the night?"

No, I sleep which I will be doing very soon. But we know they are on. They are always on.

You go for the nads everytime. Envy, I suppose.

Posted by BetelG

One more for the pile...

I really always considered you to be a true conservative who supports candidates and policies that you really aren't all that comfortable with but that you simply aren't a liberal and can't vote Democrat.

I have voted democrat before....in governer and other state offices.

But we know they are on

That explains the tin foil night cap.

"Millions of people listen to Rush, and Hannity and Right Wing radio because its entertaining... and that's precisely why no one listened to AA."

That is simply not true. In many markets where good Progressives are on good stations the are competing very well in the ratings with conservatives. However you have to realize that Conservative talkers get put on 400 stations at one pop while libs get one station at a time. Corporate ownership has its priveleges and one of those is chooseing talkers who support your own views. Here in S. Florida Neil Rogers, a local lib, a gay lib at that, beat all the conservatives for years and years. By big margins. He probably still does. I used to listen to him but switched to Thom Hartman and Randi Rhodes who, BTW, used to be on the same station as Neil who taught her a thing or two about talk radio. Her radio personna was developed on that station to a degree. She is incredibly knowledgeable if you ever get a chance to listen.

Haven't seen the ad(s), TONY. Between being kind of sick since Sunday and trying to catch up on the work I'd had to put off the only TV I've watched is analysis of the Red Sox trade of Ramirez.

Look, you know where I'm coming from politically. I am an ideologue - but I'm also not an obfuscator. At least not intentionally :^)

One thing that does bother me in going after Obama is how most any criticism of the man and/or his views is fought back with, "lay off the black guy you racist."

It's as though he's unassailable. Kind of like when the right tried to criticize Michael J Fox or Cindy Sheehan.

The fact Obama hesitated to distance himself from Wright was also telling.

Not to anyone who understands or actually lives in the black community. Wright's anger from the pulpit releases the congregation to move on with their real lives because their frustrations have been given voice even if they aren't quite fairly represented in such a prejudiced audience.

Wright represents that which black America is trying to tear itself from: the notion of victimization. But out of victimization comes motivation once the oppressor has been cast aside. For all the consternation which Wright arose in the outside community, the same consternation seldom manifested itself when the problems facing the poor and poorer, be they black or any color, sat festering while tax breaks and a broken system suppressed and oppressed those who needed help the most. Its obvious why so much anger and rage has to be released. Just like the strongest metal under the highest of pressures, there has to be a release sometimes, and better it be in a place normally fostering peace and tranquility than it be in the streets of our cities manifested as violence and rage.

I'm not saying what's wrong is right, but I am saying under certain specific circumstances its easily understandable and serves an ultimately more noble purpose than it seems under the harsh light of factual criticism.

"That explains the tin foil night cap."

No, for me it's always a Scotch night cap. Trust me on that.

TONY the explanation of Rev. Wright is too complicated for Obama to be able to explain adequately for most white folks. It's unfortunate because, really, Rev. Wright is a fine man who has no hatred in him. Trying to make people understand though would be nearly impossible.

I just want to know if Spanish is still a Marxist language? Rush siad it was last week.

Without exception, every blurb or quote I hear from Rush's show comes from a liberal.

Am I the only one who finds that strange?

No, for me it's always a Scotch night cap. Trust me on that.

I would never have taken you for a scotch drinker. Neat?

Good for you!

Wright represents nothing, this is nothing but political hacking spin and ALL know this.

Hiltons Donated To McCain, Fuming Over "Celeb" Ad

Nice find, Tony.

S'funny stuff.

Spud at least has a little respect fer Barron.

Only because Barron Hilton sez he is gonna leave 97% of his fortune to charity when he kicks it.

That was originally the idea of his pops aka Conrad Nicholson Hilton who left 97% of his wealth to charity in the form of 13.6 million shares of Hilton stock, but Barron fought the will and ended up winning 4.1 million shares fer himself, 3.5 fer a foundation and the other 6 million that went into a trust administered by Barron coincidently enuff.

But now he sez he's seen the error of his ways.

He's a belated philanthropist now, you see.

He's on record in the past as having been serially embarrassed by his granddaughters behaviour and public persona and this latest episode is no exception.

The fact that he naturally supports John "Friend to the elitists and global corporate entities" McCain does make this story extra special don't it.

Ta fer the laff, TR.

Be Well.

Danni-
I would be very surprised if Wright did not have hatred in him. He certainly has anger. What's really a shame is that we can't play the race card, because it makes a lot of people uncomfortable to be reminded that it has been in the deck all along.

"One thing that does bother me in going after Obama is how most any criticism of the man and/or his views is fought back with, "lay off the black guy you racist."

I don't think that is true Oohrah. If Mccain would engage on the issues, I am sure Obama would respond in kind. The McCain people, though, are trying to build a case that Obama's blackness, thus his uniqueness, is his primary qualification when all you have to do is listen to him and he definitely has ideas that are much deeper than that. I think that when we finally get to see McCain and Obama in a debate much of this Obama bashing will end.
I almost feel sorry for McCain, he is going to be embarrassed and humiliated. I would never have put a 72 year old into a debate with a Harvard Law School Summa Cum Laude president of the law review candidate. It is a mismatch.


The fact Obama hesitated to distance himself from Wright was also telling.


Not to anyone who understands or actually lives in the black community.

that covers about 13% of America...

I can't wait for the Wright commercials to start up again....

How about a nice "God Damn America" from Barack Obama's mentor right around September 11...

TONY-
A couple things. First, I need to get some rest. So I'll check back Friday.

Second - you obviously have a much better understanding of the black's point of view. And to you it makes perfect sense and, perhaps, is justified, etc.

Coming from a white guy, seeing a dude like Rev Wright reinforces some of the worst black stereotypes of the past 40 years - the militant black railing against reacist whitey for all the evils... keeping the black man down, entitlement, etc.

Call it guilt by association. But Obama's failure to swiftly and strongly drive a huge wedge between himself & Wright sends messages to different people.

To you it sends the message you conveyed. To what I'd argue is a much wider population segment, it sends the message I conveyed. So was Obama foolish for not recognizing the consequences of his association with Wright?

In any event, I always enjoy our talks. Hope things are going well for you. Later.

BETELG the only thing is though, REv. Wright's church has a high percentage of white members who love Rev. Wright. Who attend there because of Rev. Wright. Much of what we have heard has been out of context, and the rest has been him responding to attacks. Doesn't matter, he's out of the picture unless he is dragged back in by a desperate McCain campaign. If he is then you will know, they are desperate.

Tony - interesting link - thanks.

It seems that the elder Hilton has donated $18,400 to the McCain campaign, and $35,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in the last couple of years. (Pariss father, Rick Hilton, has given an additional $6,900 to the McCain campaign. Suffice it to say, hes none too pleased either.)

Paris Hilton isnt just a tabloid tart to be tossed around willy-nilly. Shes the living brand name of one of Americas most successful global corporations. Its no wonder her grandfathers upset: every time Paris is in the news, fewer people stay at their hotels. Try explaining that to The Blackstone Group - the hedge fund firm that bought into Hilton Hotels last year. Blackstone chairman Peter G. Peterson gave $30,800 to the McCain campaign this year. Guess who also called the campaign today?

Oops.

One thing that does bother me in going after Obama is how most any criticism of the man and/or his views is fought back with, "lay off the black guy you racist."

It's as though he's unassailable. Kind of like when the right tried to criticize Michael J Fox or Cindy Sheehan.

Not quite Oohrah. Obama only responds when others choose not to criticize his policies or his stances on issues, but try to instill fear of him because he's different, and yes that means both as a man of color and one with youth, but not so much experience on his side.

Its hard not to say that McCAin is trying to turn the election into a referendum about Obama and to not challenge him on the issues all of us know are important for our own lives more than Obama's color or celebrity happen to be.

It IS a fine line to draw distinctions without disparaging him over being simply who God made him to be. But, as Hillary showed, this latent fear of the strange man unlike any other before him in this position, does move needles for the wrong reasons. That's why the response has to be swift and accurate, not baying and bashful. Obama is who he is and that should make him good enough to be President based on his judgment and vision. It shouldn't be because latent fears are brought to bear against him with subtle, yet jabbing reminders of his most glaring difference which ultimately has nothing to do with his qualifications. Its the anti-Affirmative Action retort. His color shouldn't matter, but with his detractors, they know his color can be used against him because people still harbor latent and not so latent racism on an individual level. Playing to that fear undermines the electorate trying to choose on virtues, not character assassinations. And it plays both ways.

Wxample: Obama always felt that blacks would ultimately move from other Democrats and support him with traditional high numbers. It wasn't BECAUSE he was black and felt owed, it was because he felt his stances on issues that matter to blacks and his ability to move his agenda better than the others would ultimately draw these voters to him. He was right. He had to EARN black support, it wasn't given merely because of his skin.

Same with McCain. He said conservatives would come home eventually even though he didn't enjoy their support in the primary. Its the same thing. He felt his positions would be more compatible with their views than the other non-GOP candidates would be. This isn't elitist or ego-driven, its simply logical political calculus.

DANNI-
I didn't say that his anger was directed at a race. I didn't mean to imply that (I don't think I did).

DON'T SHOOT ME

I'm only the messenger and never saw this website before until a few minutes ago.

I was googling to read about Obama and Kenya as that is what right wing radio is bringing up now the last few days and I was curious as to where they were going with it.

I found this (rather racist) website I linked below which may give a clue as to what is going to be thrown at Obama as the campaign heats up. Obama's campaign should be ready to counter these attacks. Appears Obama's cousin (?) is head of the opposition party in Kenya or something like that. Anyway, that's all he needs is to show him as some Black radical in with the Kenyans which is probably exactly how Obama opponents will try and portray him. (I only went thru the front page but real Obama fans might want to know what's being said.)

"Don't Vote Obama"

AU--hey cupcake--why dont' you go look for my posts on 02/05/08--!!

You are going thru my posts from JUNE--

I said March was the turn off date for Obama when Wright crap came out.

And I am right of center--I have voted for Dems--just none too recently.



Not quite Oohrah. Obama only responds when others choose not to criticize his policies or his stances on issues, but try to instill fear of him because he's different, and yes that means both as a man of color and one with youth, but not so much experience on his side--Tony

BS--Obama is the only one bringing this up and oh yeah--his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities.

He played teh race shit during the primary and Clinton called him on it and got creamed.

He is doing it again and it is backfiring--because he is the one obviously racebating how he is scarying people with his skin color--and saying that others are going to do it!

AND NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT EXCEPT FOR HIM!!

Danni-
Race is the one factor that Obama wishes to avoid, but he can't because he's black and he's running for president. McCain's "people" have and will use racial fears and polite prejudice wherever they can without actually putting on blackface.

Murphy-
"BS--Obama is the only one bringing this up and oh yeah--his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities."

Didn't you just do the very thing you said no one in your political camp was doing, exploiting racial fears for political ends?

he is scarying people with his skin color--and saying that others are going to do it!

They already have done it, which is why he brought it up in the first place.

Murphy-
"BS--Obama is the only one bringing this up and oh yeah--his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities."

Just as the endless loops of 10 seconds of Wright, and the myriad of posts about him from Murphy. But, in Obama's case he's not afraid of the GOP and will throw this crap right back in their faces where it belongs. Most Americans will know (if they don't already) Obama was raised by his white mother and grandparents.

Face it, the GOP will use race, but in ways that are subtle or blurry as they've done in the past, or just blatantly with Willie Horton in 1988.

Using two vacuous blonds was exactly what they did in 2006 during Harold Ford, Jr.'s campaign. Hiring a blond actress to play a bimbo referring to the Playboy mansion where Ford took part in a charity fundraiser.

"AND NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT EXCEPT FOR HIM!!"

That is hilarious MUrphy. Just read the posts here on DR and you will disprove that statement.

"polite prejudice"
As if there were any such thing but yes, I agree.
I think Obama needs to counter it with demands that McCain discuss issues. Obama needs to start saying...America, we're over race, now we want to know why our country is B R O K E !!!
We need to know why our country is involved in so many unnecessary WARS !!

He needs to force McBush to discuss issues. He should run commercials asking why John McCain doesn't want to talk about the ECONOMY. Why does John McCain want to pretend that drilling for more oil will alleviate gas prices when he knows, fully well, that it won't effect gas prices at all. He should ask...where is John McCain??? This talking point repeater isn't John McCain. John McCain was a maverick, he didn't approve of the tax cuts for the rich. Who is this person pretending to be John McCain?????
Actually, that would be a good ad.

Betel--

I agree that Obama is black (half--whatever) and he can talk and make jokes that he is black or the black culture--I mean in a self deprecating fun way--I am not trying to be derogatory.

The joke he said about him not looking like the rest of the presidents on the dollar bills--was funny!

But then he says people--They --will say things to make you scared of him because he is black--is the reverse race BS card.

And then you have the Ludacris song out about calling Hillary a B word and McCain is paralyzed in a wheelchair.

That his man is going to paint the WH black and scare the whites--that is racist.

Obama says Ludacris is talented and won't let his daughters listen to his songs and a great busniessman.

WOW! I mean is there nothing that this guy has in common with regular Americans? Bitter comments...

You have Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Ludacris and now the ODINGO!!

If that is true Obama is going to need a bigger bus.


"BS--Obama is the only one bringing this up and oh yeah--his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities."

I want that in gold-leaf and framed, as a reminder of what we are expected to deal with.

"BS--Obama is the only one bringing this up and oh yeah--his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities."

Blaming Obama for the words of Ludacris is unfair.
If that is the road the McCain chooses it should be met with blaming McCain for the words of right wing talk radio hosts. He actually has more control over them than Obama has over Ludicris. Network owners can rein in even Rush Limbaugh if they have to, guys like Hannity are lap dogs to the ownership and will say exactly what they are told to say.

One thing that does bother me in going after Obama is how most any criticism of the man and/or his views is fought back with, "lay off the black guy you racist."

OOHRAH

Ya, the first one that claims Obama is responsible for gas prices, or the ad criticizing him for not visiting the troops in Germany - where they had a 2nd spot ready to criticize him if he DID. That claim was debunked in strong terms by every reporter on the trip.

McCain had better start talking about what he'll do. His attempts to define Obama are falling flat on their face so far. America isn't going to fall for BS 3 elections in a row - not after the disastrous Bush presidency

When I say "No one" I am talking about McCain and his campaign and the GOP at large--

Geez like you guys have control over the disgusting things the outliars of the Dem party--mediamatters and moveon --do to the contribution of the debate.

Betell=--another racebaiter that saying I am repeating what Obama is doing that makes me racists.

Absolutely unbelievable.

AU--the Paris ad is nothing like the Ford ad and it is not racist! It went to his substance--Obama is considered to be a celebrity and he has no substance.

WTF is racist about that?

But then he says people--They --will say things to make you scared of him because he is black--is the reverse race BS card.

They already have. Inlcuding you. A recent example:

his buddy Ludacris singing that Obama will paint the WH black and scare all the whities

And you're a democrat FFS.

Obama says Ludacris is talented and won't let his daughters listen to his songs and a great busniessman.

I think George Romero is talented as hell(pun intended), but i wouldn't let anyone the age of obamas daughters watch his films. Never.

Did you have a point?

Murphy- let me know when Paris Hilton or Britney Spears graduate from Harvard Magna Cum Laude. One is only famous because she is rich, the other...god knows.

The ad was stupid.

Barack has obvious talent and he grew up with no pot to piss in. His story is the american dream conservatives should be proud of, but since he's a democrat, they're not.

Unless you actually think Obama can be a christian muslim radical marxist commie with a black panther wife terrorist fistjabber and still somehow be an elitist country club type who is also an empty suit.

Throw some more shit at the wall. Maybe something will stick.

One thing that does bother me in going after Obama is how most any criticism of the man and/or his views is fought back with, "lay off the black guy you racist."
Posted by OohRah

Barack rebuts McCain's lies about his tax plan with facts and Oohrah hears "lay off the black guy".

The spot, titled "The Low Road," witnesses the Illinois Democrat playing his trump card: tying McCain to George W. Bush, both in politics and in policy.

Only the blindest of Obamacans can tie McCain to Bush.

Well, OK. The BDS folks will also, but they need meds.

McCain only backed bush 95% of the time.

The other 5% he was a "maverick"!

Don't quit your day job, mato.

Oh--I get it--No one can bring up any of the crap that flowing from Obama or his buddy Ludacris or his spritiual mentor for 20 years, or Ayres or--

We are all supposed to forget that this stuff is in the MSM.

We are supposed to ignor Wrigth and Ludacris--because those aren't Obama's own words--although he stands by them??

Do you guys actually hear or read and critically think about what you are posting?

The Paris ad was goofy--go read my post above Alex.

This is not an ad for supporting the McCain brand.

McCain can bring up qualifications and lack of experience in ads--straight up.

Maybe you didn't understand the romero reference, murphy...

He makes horror movies, but I'd never let kids watch that stuff.

So how is Obama's position on ludacris any different?

Obama is considered to be a celebrity and he has no substance.

Gee what happened to "Empty Suit?"

It may seem an oddity but I really do try NOT to use the latest buzz words. It's too much like being in a high school clique. Yet over time that's what I hear from you Murphy: The same words and phrases that the punditry uses to denigrate Obama.

Experience is one thing, but all McCain has done is sit in Congress, If he really wanted to be President then he should have run for Governor of Arizona. Gained some "executive" experience instead of parroting his POW status.

I see him in the same light as GW Bush. Privileged Son. Grades don't matter because dad has the (tail)hook to make sure he gets his wish. Well he got promoted to Captain yet they didn't give him a sea going command - absolutely essential for any four striper to make Admiral, and then most don't make it at all.

We had a Commodore running Subron 6. Senior captain, a real war dog, so they gave him the honorarium but they also retired him. Met another guy with a PhD in the same situation and he got transferred to the Army War College in Pennsylvania. They do like to take care of these guys, and that's why McCain got his dad's old job of lobbying Congress. His denouement if you will.

I've never put that down before. Just the opposite. But I've lost respect for McCain, and I think Obama is a whole lot brighter for a guy his age. That's why the more educated voter leans his way.

So back to school girly.

We are supposed to ignor Wrigth and Ludacris--because those aren't Obama's own words--although he stands by them??
Posted by MURPHY

By stands by them you mean denounced right?

I don't think you libs get it. Ludacris is also black, and they hang in the crib together. um, Yo(?)!

Obama is considered to be a celebrity and he has no substance.

MURPHY

Uh huh. By YOU and the right wing morons.

Wow. Obamaphiles found some "true reporting" at huffingtonpost.com. Barack dances around the ring and "hits back!" Well if you can't inflate your car tires any more to save gas, you have to inflate something or someone. Reminds me of the autopilot being re-inflated in the 1980 movie Airplane! Pucker up boys and girls.

The ad alludes to the anti-gravitas that is Obama. Nothing real, just a lot of nice sounding words flowing from his mouth that make me feel good about who I think I am. He is an empty suit. He is saying what the sheeple want to hear so that he can get elected. And the sheeple love to hear soothing words that make them feel good about themselves.

Now for what you won't discover until you elect him: He is an Illinois politician cut from the same cloth as his predecessors. He belonged to a "church" that teaches it's congregation to be racists. He is no different in his beliefs than Byrd and Helms were in theirs. And he lets his boy Ridiculous do the smearing for him. He neither understands nor cares about your economic strife, regardless of your skin color. If you don't agree with his vision of the world, then you are expendable, regardless of your skin color. If you believe in the rule of law when it comes to immigration, just shutup and eat what is put before you. When the defecation hits the oscillating blades, he will either sound a lot like Neville Chamberlain or Hillary and Bush. And thus destroy this country or become that which you hate.

As for McCain, he is only willing to sellout his country to illegals and his supporters that hire them. We can take care of them afterward. He does not appear to be willing to hand over this country to people looking for a free ride or to make a buck at the expense of their neighbors (intentionally didn't say "citizens"). He is less likely to throw away what so many have died in order to create. But he still needs a bitch-slapping on a few issues.

Unless you are ready to stick that needle in your arm and be numb for the entire ride, there is only one obvious choice. The lesser of two evils, again.

The Hilton/Spears spot is only the latest low road TV spot. McCain has run an appalling low-road campaign in the past two weeks, making unfair and untrue accusations about Obama, from his comment that Obama "would rather lose a war than lose a political campaign" to his lies about the Democratic nominee's canceled visit to wounded American soldiers in Germany.

The 'Straight Talk Express' has turned into the "Low Road Express".

I thought I heard him say over and over he wanted to run a "civil campaign" based on the issues? Uh huh.

Karl Rove has entered the room in the body of his protege Schmidt.

Obama is an empty suit; and pretty stupid looking in it, too, with those big ass ears!

Blaming Obama for the words of Ludacris is unfair.
If that is the road the McCain chooses it should be met with blaming McCain for the words of right wing talk radio hosts. He actually has more control over them than Obama has over Ludicris. Network owners can rein in even Rush Limbaugh if they have to, guys like Hannity are lap dogs to the ownership and will say exactly what they are told to say.

Posted by danni

Yeah, That's like blaming Hannity or Rush for some nut case shooting up a church! Oh...I forgot you did that to....


Obama is an empty suit; and pretty stupid looking in it, too, with those big ass ears!

Posted by CLINTONISKING

Big ass ears! FF

We are supposed to ignor Wrigth and Ludacris--because those aren't Obama's own words--although he stands by them??
Posted by MURPHY


By stands by them you mean denounced right?

POSTED BY TIGERBALM AT 2008-08-01 12:44 AM | REPLY | FLAG

I just wanted to see that again.

"Barack rebuts McCain's lies about his tax plan with facts and Oohrah hears "lay off the black guy"." - TIGER

TIGER, to your comment and YAV's from 659am...

Two quick things.

1. The cries of racism aren't coming necessarily directly from Obama himself, they come primarily from his supporters & surrogates. The DR is but a small sample.

2. When Obama denounces those who'd cry "racism" he gets the best of both worlds - his surrogates can do the heavy lifting while he can look to remain "above the fray."

McCain can appear the same way when he can repudiate something some conservative Christian guy says, or basically any "attack" against Obama. McCain can say "they don't speak for me, etc" but the heavy lifting (bashing the opponent) is accomplished while keeping the candidate's hands clean.

"He's (Obama) an empty suit....."

Then you'll be voting for him in 2008, given your behavior in 2000 and 2004.

What a bunch of mush-mouthed hypocrites. I guess we should be grateful Obama was never held prisoner by the North Vietnamese or given a medal, he'd really be in trouble.

The hard fact of the matter is the Democratic Party is taking a risk nominating Obama because he is a Black man.

Those who just don't like Blacks just won't vote for him. Tell me, at this moment, is the GOP sad or happy that's true?

Those who just don't like Blacks just won't vote for him. Tell me, at this moment, is the GOP sad or happy that's true?

Ain't that the truth. Can't admit what's obvious, though. Somehow we're all supposed to look past the GOP ads in TN, NC, the whispering, the BS about Obama being born in Kenya, being a secret Muslim, a forged birth certificate.

No "they" would never use his name to make you afraid.

No, "they" would never whisper 'he's black, you know!'

McCain's campaign's response was so over the top - "He's playing the race card!" Is McCain or his campaign staffers personally racist? I don't think so, but I do believe they know how to play the race game.

Dog. Rock. Yelp.


McCain's cutting his own throat resorting to Karl Rove politics.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

gotta disagree here. While what you call "KR politics" might be less honorable approach, McCain needs to do this. Look at how he was being derided as boring and ineffective until now. If he sat back and continued to be the kindly old man, above the fray, quite town hall meeting guy, he was going to lose. he was floundering, he had no audience, everyone was asleep. Unfortunately he has to go this way or face becoming forgotten about.

he has a better chance going this route. AND also it's gonns be fun. the Obammy will totally lose his cool and go off the deep and as well, the minute McCain hits any sore spot.

Zed: very happy

Obama "will totally lose his cool and go off the deep and as well, the minute McCain hits any sore spot."

Uh huh. He sure has a short fuse. See it day in, day out. Nothing like John "Mr. Cool" McCain.

I think the latest ads by McCain make him look like he is just along for the ride. It is beginning to look like his managers make the decisions and he just goes along. I think McCain is going to slowly look more and more like he has given up control in hopes that Rove type handlers can get him elected. He is sacrificing his only qualities that voters liked about him and getting very little in return.
Some of his most recent ads make McCain look ridiculous and aren't going to hurt Obama in the slightest.

Look at how he was being derided as boring and ineffective until now.

Posted by Fredo_C

I hate to break it to you, but he's still boring and ineffective. Add senile and old, and you'll get the fuller picture.

The hard fact of the matter is the Democratic Party is taking a risk nominating Obama because he is a Black man.

He's also a left-wing piece of shit, having been ranked the most liberal senator by the National Journal.

He's also an empty suit who has done very little in life to qualify himself as Commander in Chief. His understanding of the world around him is based on a series of liberal cliches.

So, in reality, "the hard fact of the matter" is the Democrat Party is taking a risk nominating Obama because his election hinges on enough of the electorate remaining stupid enough to be impressed with the contents of a balloon.

Obama is a one trick pony. All he ever does is yell, "Racist, racist". We've already heard his witty come back. How long can his friends in the media pretend he is intelligent?

It may seem an oddity but I really do try NOT to use the latest buzz words. It's too much like being in a high school clique. Yet over time that's what I hear from you Murphy: The same words and phrases that the punditry uses to denigrate Obama.
per OZ--

Except I used the descriptions first...;o)



As for Obama--the first time he referred to "They" was a couple of months ago. It was a generic. He's black, funny name, etc.

But the other day he referenced "Bush McCain" specifically and then went into the scary playbook.

SO Obama makes a mistake or he does it on purpose.

But it's the same playing the race BS--he brought it up.

Now he wants to play victim--typical.

He's "dissappointed" --well get used to it if Obama keeps doing what he's doing.


So, in reality, "the hard fact of the matter" is the Democrat Party is taking a risk nominating Obama because his election hinges on enough of the electorate remaining stupid enough to be impressed with the contents of a balloon.

Posted by Pinche_Mao

But you were ok with the empty balloon in 2000 when his name was George W. Bush, right?

An empty balloon is ok, as long as it's "our" empty balloon? Give me a fucking break. At least by comparison Obama can carry on a conversation without sounding mildly retarded.

Jerome Corsi's book comes out today--

300 pages and 7,000 cites (?)

He did the research on Obama's background--all his many mentors on the left--out in the parking lot left.

And the Odinga cousin is troubling--to say the least.

dontvoteobama.net


The more we learn the more Obama becomes clearly the wrong choice for POTUS.

But let's argue substance...

You didn't really learn anything from your whole "Obama's brother says he was raised Muslim" fiasco, did you Murphy?

Virtually everything on that website has been debunked for months now.

But let's argue substance. Truth would be nice too.

But let's argue substance. Truth would be nice too.

The article claims to prove McCain has ties to Bush. Would it be fair tying Obama to Reid and Pelosi? In both policy and politics?

You got to love the low road line. Who took the low road by not visiting the troops in Germany? What stopped him from going by himself? He had been cleared days earlier and security was ready for him.

"Would it be fair tying Obama to Reid and Pelosi? In both policy and politics?"

If the facts support that, then yes.

They are as obvious as the McCain ties to Bush. Using the same standards Obama is exactly like Pelosi and Reid. Voting records, party affiliation...

"They are as obvious as the McCain ties to Bush."

That's fine. I'm not disputing your point. Go ahead and throw it out there and see if the general public bites.

My money is that they will go "ho hum" and that the "4 more years of Bush" will be much more effective.

My money is that they will go "ho hum" and that the "4 more years of Bush" will be much more effective.

The approval rating of the majority leaders may point otherwise. Not that I am under any pretense the RNC will use this political gift. Hell they couldn't even squelch the lie McCain wants a 100 year war in Iraq.

"The approval rating of the majority leaders may point otherwise."

I don't think so. No doubt they are not popular, but it is so much easier to tie McCain to very tangible and painful Bush policies. The ties to things represented by the Democratic leadership are much more subtle. And the electorate, in general, doesn't do subtle.

Hell they couldn't even squelch the lie McCain wants a 100 year war in Iraq.

Posted by crispee_oc

Probably because it isn't a lie.

Ever heard of 'YouTube'? Why my goodness, there's McCain himself saying it.

www.youtube.com

Guys, stop arguing with those who refuse to acknowledge what's common sense. Instead of discussing just how morally and intellectually bankrupt the McCain campaign is, they get away with starting arguments over vapid views and purposeful distortions which we even dignify with response.

Look at these threads on this blog. McCain is in implosion mode and even Republicans and the Wall Street Journal print about open voices in their own midst asking whether he's an idiot for doing what he has these last two weeks?

Here's how I see it. W got the people to go along even though many never trusted their competency from the start, not even mentioning their motives, but it was patriotic and we'd kick some Muslim butt and move on. Little did America know that these imbeciles refused to listen to the military advisers that told them what plans to use and they ignored their advice and walked into a hellish shithole any student of history could have predicted blindfolded. The people realize that they can't trust these people's word anymore, they just continue to lie and lie. Conservatives of good conscious are sickened by what they're seeing because the attacks aren't just so scattershot, vapid and trite, they're offensive to most who choose to take politics seriously and know that real issues drive our problems, not invented correlations and bringing up the racial agenda while acting like an aggrieved victim.

People might notice...Dude says he's different...ain't had no Presidents lookin' like him before...Well, He's right, he would be the first...but wait, being black will help him become the first because its helped all those o-t-h-erssss....Ohhhh....

See how stupid that is?

People might notice...Dude says he's different...ain't had no Presidents lookin' like him before...Well, He's right, he would be the first...but wait, being black will help him become the first because its helped all those o-t-h-erssss....Ohhhh....


See how stupid that is?

So what was the purpose of bringing up the past prsidents or how they looked? Do you think it had nothing to do with features, hair style, height, weight, posture, fitness or any other similarities other than race? I have to be honest and say I think it was a professional move by his campaign. For the first time since allowing his 38 to be aired they have shown their worth. His choice of words and the media coverage they will receive will cement the white voters choice of Obama out of historical guilt. Or make those not voting Obama because of race re-think their reasons. On the other hand it could backfire and anger those on the fence by using the race card.

Takes an air-headed bimbo to know an air-headed bimbo BLT....

Posted by tonyroma


hey bud...
its been a while since my college days but I know all ABOUT airheaded bimbos.........

and here we have the typical leftists reaction to mccain finnaly growing a pair of balls and striking back because we all know that the dem version of a nice campaign is they say whatever the fuck they want and the right cant say anything back at all.
this is 'thier turf' and when the right steps into that, we get this bullshit from the left.
cant take it...stay in chicago and make some more land deals with crooks.

and no lefty has yet to tell me what he WAS talking about. only what he wasnt,
when he says doesnt look like me. what does that mean........his ears are the biggest ever. okay bad example, but what did he mean?
and scare us.........thats what they WANT us to think

the lefts problem now is that we arent laying down for this great messiah citizen of the world and THEY DONT LIKE IT ONE BIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Appears some of the followers are getting restless..

Obama hecklers accuse him of neglecting black community
Posted: 01:40 PM ET

From CNN's Alexander Marquardt and Rebecca Sinderbrand


Obama was greeted by hecklers at a Florida event Friday.

ST. PETERSBURG, Florida (CNN) Three young African-American protestors, and two white women, interrupted Barack Obama at an economic town hall in Florida Friday, accusing the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of neglecting the black community.

Watch: Hecklers interrupt Obama event

The protestors who held a sign reading "What About the Black Community, Obama?" said the Illinois senator had not been active enough on issues of interest to African-Americans, ranging from the impact of subprime mortgages to the shooting of Sean Bell and the governments response to Hurricane Katrina.

Obama urged the audience which began to boo the hecklers to calm down, before addressing one of the men directly. I think youre misinformed. Everything you mentioned I did speak about,-- he said, listing legislative initiatives and statements on those issues as the men continued to shout at him and the crowd began to chant Yes, We Can,-- the Obama campaigns cheer.


On each issue Ive spoken out. I may not have spoken out the way you wanted me to speak out I understand, buthold on a second,-- said Obama. What Im saying is, what Im suggesting is on each of these issues Ive spoken out.The one thing I think is important is that were respecting each other and the way well solve our problemsis if all of us come together, black, white, Hispanic, Asian-American.--

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

We know Murphy - there's already a thread on it.

Won't be long before they are linked back to the Obama campaign. Or an entity working indirectly for them. They will of course distant themselves and if it is an insider will take the high road and fire the culprit. Notice how he chose the ethnic angle?

He is not putting up enough pandering--we want $5,000 not $1,000!!

Obama calls for windfall profits tax, 'emergency' energy rebate
Posted: 10:45 AM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand


Obama pushed for his energy rebate plan Friday.
(CNN) Barack Obama said Friday that a windfall profits tax should be imposed on the oil industry to subsidize a $1,000 "emergency" rebate for consumers struggling with surging gas prices.

The rebates had already been announced as part of his tax relief proposal, but the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee said the release of a disappointing jobs report Friday called for the immediate adoption of the plan, which he said would provide a rebate that would be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months."

Obama and John McCain reacted to the latest unemployment numbers released Friday, which show the nation lost 51,000 jobs in June, by attacking each others proposed economic fixes.

Hell they couldn't even squelch the lie McCain wants a 100 year war in Iraq.


Posted by crispee_oc

Probably because it isn't a lie.


Ever heard of 'YouTube'? Why my goodness, there's McCain himself saying it.


www.youtube.com

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Out of 1 face, AU complains about Rovian politics; out of the other, he lies about McCain's comments, and even posts a video so you can see through his lies.

Good catch, LIVE. When speaking of him being OK with a 100 year presence, he is quick to qualify that statement. However, just as the left did with Gingrich's "die on the vine" comment, they only use key words from the statement to ultimately convey a much different meaning from the one intended by the speaker.

And what are the odds the MSM will call them on being disengenuous? About the odds of me banging Miss America tonight.

Out of 1 face, AU complains about Rovian politics; out of the other, he lies about McCain's comments, and even posts a video so you can see through his lies.

Reminds me of his youtube link of Wrights eight second rant. I think his comment was something about righties using only having those eight seconds of an entire speech. Almost looked like he was trying to convince himself it was the only time Wright spoke like that. Of course Obama made the same defensive statement. Before he re-defined his memory lapse. Or moral lapse for that matter.

His choice of words and the media coverage they will receive will cement the white voters choice of Obama out of historical guilt.

Yeah, that worked so well for Harold Ford in Tennessee, didn't it? And for Jesse Jackson in 1984 it was a sure winner?

Do you listen to yourself? Have you ever heard of the "Bradley Effect"? It works the other way. Never in history have MORE people gone and voted for a black candidate than the number who say that they WILL vote for the black candidate.

You're on to something Crispee. Call the McCain camp. They believe in Bradley...imagine what they'll do with their campaign if you're right?

New Moses ad from McCain--

Finally some humor for all to appreciate--;o)

www.johnmccain.com

Well, hey, Mao---Long time---Tell me, how many of your friends have lost land to DHS so they can build that crummy wall along the border?

Frankly, if I know anyone who needs to vote a personal rights/pocketbook agenda this election and go Obama, it's you.

The latest news from Looneyland, otherwise known as McCain campaign headquarters:

McCain actually DID put Obama's face on a dollar bill -- over a month ago in a little-seen web video. The point is, Obama's analogy -- whether he realized it or not, and maybe he heard about the video and only recalled it subconsciously -- isn't even an analogy, it's true! (video at link)

www.youtube.com

This one should come back and mortally wound the McCain Liar's Brigade right where the slither.

They're Stuck on Stupid (SOS) for sure!

The hard fact of the matter is the Democratic Party is taking a risk nominating Obama because he is a Black man.

Those who just don't like Blacks just won't vote for him. Tell me, at this moment, is the GOP sad or happy that's true?

Posted by Zed at 2008-08-01 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Though I doubt that America has moved past racism enough to elect one, I was initially cautiously optimistic, and hoping I was wrong. Then I saw one of Barack's speeches, and went to the library and got "Audacity of Hope". Turns out Obama says... nothing at all.. and is willing to do... only what it takes to further his own personal progress. He's thrown so many people under the bus in the last 6 months he's gonna need to get a monster truck conversion for it to climb over all the bodies. In some perverse way, I actually would respect him more if he stood by his pastor with a simple, "I do not agree with him on everything, but he brings God's word to my ears and moves my heart to do His work."

I just wish they'd taken 18 seconds to find a black guy that has a history of integrity, instead of one who has a history of using dirty tricks to win.

When Tonyroma's throat no longer has an obstruction, I'd like him to defend the FISA flipflop or the last second removal of all opposing candidates. And I don't _care_ if he was later forgiven by (only) one of the people he did it to, I want to know why it was a move of a man with integrity in the first place. Bear in mind: the loophole the scumbag used was closed off the next instant it could be so such theft could not happen again. News flash! Not everyone signs their name in cursive! That's something everyone knows, it was just a legal loophole!

I want to hear justification for never following through on his promise to the African village. I want it explained to me why it's a sign of a man with integrity that he changes stance so quickly on oil. Why it's okay to say one thing to Israelis and another to Palestinians. Tell me why these things are signs of a "refreshing change" and not "more of the same bullshit."

And I want you to do it without talking about McCain. I already despise McCain. All saying "Well, McCain does the same thing!" does is reinforces my view that Obama is the same old same old. Don't unsell me on McCain. Sell me on Obama.

You have your mind made up. If Obama isn't perfect then you find him inauthentic, as if we aren't all human beings to begin with. Barack has never claimed to be anything other than his life shows him to be. You are placing criteria upon him and that's your right, but as you say, who among us meet those criteria without any deviation or non-selfless act?

I merely think he's the best person, among two, for the job of being our next President. If the people agree, he will be, but if the people don't agree, he won't. I see him as more different from our current status quo of politicians, but I do not think him perfect in any way whatsoever. He's made mistakes and has flaws. He's human as have been every other President. But he's a damn sight better than the current occupant of the Oval Office and offers more promise than from-the-same-mold John McCain. That is all I care about right now. The majority of what I see of him as an advocate, husband, father and as a leader I find attractive. Everyone else is free to form their own personal opinions as it should be.

John McCain can not beat Obama on the issues. The fear mongering he is creating works with average people because they will believe anything they here on CNN or FOX or hear or right wing radio or read in the papers. McCain has gone negative and it is working in the polls. American people on the average are very susseptable to believing anything they are told or read and the McCain people, 527 groups and right wing radio are pounding home the message of questioning Obama's leadership abilities. Excuse me but I am not aware of any leadership abilities John McCain has and don't tell me "oh he was a POW in Vietnam for 5 years. He exhibited no leadership abilities there or in the Senate. McCain was removed from flight rotation in the Navy because he kept on crashing planes between when he returned from Vietnam and when he left the Navy.
Most people do not understand John McCain was asked to take a desk job to keep him out of harming others. He did not have the leadership it took to be an admiral like his father or grandfather. The only reason this man of little intelligence who graduated 894/899 in his class made fight school was because his daddy pulled
some stings. McCain keeps on trying to point out the negative in Obama because he can not win on the issues. Will you be so stupid to fall for the Fear Mongering too?


His choice of words and the media coverage they will receive will cement the white voters choice of Obama out of historical guilt.


Yeah, that worked so well for Harold Ford in Tennessee, didn't it? And for Jesse Jackson in 1984 it was a sure winner?


Do you listen to yourself? Have you ever heard of the "Bradley Effect"? It works the other way. Never in history have MORE people gone and voted for a black candidate than the number who say that they WILL vote for the black candidate.


You're on to something Crispee. Call the McCain camp. They believe in Bradley...imagine what they'll do with their campaign if you're right?

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-08-01 04:24 PM

So you never could answer why Obama chose that angle in his speech. It should have been easy for you Tony. Maybe you chose sense over blind partisanship and decided to stay silent.

Here it is again in case you had enough time to answer the simple question. According to this post.

People might notice...Dude says he's different...ain't had no Presidents lookin' like him before...Well, He's right, he would be the first...but wait, being black will help him become the first because its helped all those o-t-h-erssss....Ohhhh....


See how stupid that is?

So you never could answer why Obama chose that angle in his speech. It should have been easy for you Tony.

Again, Crispee, take your head out of your behind and READ! McCain actually released an ad where he takes the face of Obama and morphs it onto a $100 bill over that of Ben Franklin! What does THAT mean Mr. Crispee?

Obama only talked about what McCain had already released on JUNE 30th! How is the TRUTH a mistake?

www.youtube.com

You guys parrot so much bullshit you don't even know when the stench precedes the pile!

"Yeah, that worked so well for Harold Ford in Tennessee, didn't it?"

Ah, yes...buncha racists here in Tennessee...right? As a Tennessee voter and being familiar with the Ford family history, I believe the articles regarding the current "Tennessee Waltz" sting was the major factor that shot Harold, Jr. down.

urbangrounds.com

scaredmonkeys.com

You got it, Tony, I guess we're ALL just racists...except for the 92% of of blacks who'll vote for the Obamessiah. No racism there.

"Yeah, that worked so well for Harold Ford in Tennessee, didn't it?"

Ah, yes...buncha racists here in Tennessee...right? As a Tennessee voter and being familiar with the Ford family history, I believe the articles regarding the current "Tennessee Waltz" sting was the major factor that shot Harold, Jr. down.

urbangrounds.com

scaredmonkeys.com

You got it, Tony, I guess we're ALL just racists...except for the 92% of of blacks who'll vote for the Obamessiah. No racism there.

You're just the type of idiot all of this is meant to sway Jest.

Nevermind that Obama started in January with less than 20% of black support, he has 90+% now so all blacks are sycophants, right?

You're ignoring the truth to think so.

Every study down on Tennessee showed that the ad in question was a FACTOR in Ford's defeat. No one said it was the only factor, just that it resonated with those who find the thought of interracial relationships abhorrent. And you're going to argue against facts in evidence? Why do you think the ad ran, because it made Ford look good? It would have been effective on issues if it had left out the blond, but it DIDN'T did it?

Go back to your absurd notion that the US can just refuse to pay its debts to foreigners. Its more intelligent than your latest drivel.

As I said before, Tony, ya' gotta lighten up a little. I know that the fact I ain't votin' for the Obamessiah makes your ass wanna chew tobacco, but I just can't do it. If you'll get a black candidate such as Powell, Rice, Steele, Watts or another with similar political leanings, I'd vote for him/her in a New York minute (in fact, I wish one of them was on the ticket this election.) If you nominate socialists, I ain't votin' for them no matter WHAT race they are. It's that simple.

As I said before, Tony, ya' gotta lighten up a little. I know that the fact I ain't votin' for the Obamessiah makes your ass wanna chew tobacco, but I just can't do it. If you'll get a black candidate such as Powell, Rice, Steele, Watts or another with similar political leanings, I'd vote for him/her in a New York minute (in fact, I wish one of them was on the ticket this election.) If you nominate socialists, I ain't votin' for them no matter WHAT race they are. It's that simple.

Translation: I've been proven consistently wrong on all my bullshit, but I'll never concede that Obama is popular because more people agree with his judgment than the proven misjudgments of all the other candidates. Obama is willing to compromise, listen, and try to bring people together if everyone feels included in the process even though they might disagree on specific issues. This threatens my whole existence to demonize and ostracize those who disagree with me and mock their very existence. If people who back Obama win, I might just become irrelevant or be seen as the vapid, illogical moron that I actually happen to be when I accuse others of doing the things I do myself.

BTW...let me accuse the black guy of injecting race into a campaign by merely stating what McCain's campaign actually DID morph Obama's face onto American currency, along with placing it on Mt. Rushmore and the Statue of Liberty too and released said video on the Internet back on June 30th. Even though he's tried to avoid race, making a joke of how desperate McCain's allies have become in using the kitchen-sink strategy, the fact that the black guy mentioned that "he doesn't look like an old white guy" means that "he's playing the race card from the bottom of the deck" as McCain's manager said.


How's life through the looking glass?

"Translation: I've been proven consistently wrong on all my bullshit, but I'll never concede that Obama is popular because more people agree with his judgment than the proven misjudgments of all the other candidates."

YOUR translation, Tony. Consistently wrong. Most of those who sing his praises don't even KNOW or don't care what his judgment has been or how sound it was in choosing his confidants, teachers, mentors etc. All they know is that he is charismatic and promotes "change." Ask his minions, Tony, just ask them.

YOUR translation, Tony. Consistently wrong. Most of those who sing his praises don't even KNOW or don't care what his judgment has been or how sound it was in choosing his confidants, teachers, mentors etc. All they know is that he is charismatic and promotes "change." Ask his minions, Tony, just ask them.

You're a moron Jest, and I have so much fun cramming for gullet full of it and you keep coming back for more!

The Barack I Knew
by Carol Platt Liebau

There is something profoundly surreal about having known someone like Barack Obama, whose political career has seen a meteoric rise that is the stuff of political fairytales. To turn on the television and see a once-familiar face grown slightly more mature, hear the same vocal intonations and note many of same personal characteristics now all presented as elements of a rock star-- persona is a strange experience.

Barack and I were hardly best friends; he was a year ahead of me at Harvard Law School (and six years older) when we met the summer that I became a newly-minted editor of the Harvard Law Review. But we did work together for some time, and he reached out to advise me when I became the first female Managing Editor in the Reviews history.

Barack is a deeply committed liberal, and I am a proud conservative. Even so, he possesses five qualities that are genuinely praiseworthy -- political ideology aside:

1. Hes intelligent. Clearly, his achievements reveal that Barack Obama possesses intellectual credentials that would impress even the snootiest resume snob. But (perhaps more importantly) he also possesses street smarts.

2. Hes colorblind. When Barack became the first African-American President of The Harvard Law Review, it was big news. More radical black Review editors urged him not only to take controversial stands on a whole host of racial issues they also pressured him to use his discretion to elevate black students to leadership positions within the organization. Barack declined to do so; though his choices were often left-wing (as, in fairness, was much of the Reviews membership), they werent race-conscious.

3. Hes self-confident.

4. He listens....unlike many of his left-wing compatriots, he treated his ideological adversaries with respect on a personal level.

5. He has a sense of humor.

No doubt its a long, long road to The White House, even for politicians with significantly more experience than Illinois' junior senator. But many of the qualities that he manifested during our joint tenure on The Harvard Law Review help explain why so many enthusiastically contemplate the prospect that Barack Obama's journey to the Oval Office will be both a short and a successful one.

Carol Platt Liebau is an attorney, political analyst and commentator based near Los Angeles. She has provided analysis and commentary on national television for PBS, CNN, the Fox News Channel, and MSNBC, and has appeared locally on the Orange County News Channel and Cox Cable. www.townhall.com

Thank God the country isn't as politically dense and purposefully ignorant as you Jest. Townhall.com, you know that flaming lefty blog-site.....

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