Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, July 30, 2008

Joe Klein: I believe there are a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who are pushing for war with Iran because they believe it is in America's long-term interests and because they believe Israel's existence is at stake. They are wrong and recent history tells us they are dangerous. They are also bullies and I'm not going to be intimidated by them.

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Thank you, Joe. As a Jew who supports Isreal, I agree with you 100%. They are no different, or better than the fundamentalist Muslims who call for the destruction of America.

Good for Joe.

The group of Jewish neocons over in Israel and the ones who have the ear of the White House here in our own country (including many members of AIPAC) want us to nuke Iran for their own personal agenda. The Neocons who care only about Israel's best interest (Senator Joe Lieberman, for one) know if they goad us into war the U.S. would do the fighting for Israel -- and American boys would do the bleeding.

I put a userblog on the back page about Israel's Prime Minister Olmert announcing today he will be resigning in September. Hopefully the PNAC in both the U.S. and in Israel gang is dissolving.

And who do you think talked Hitler into killing the poorest of the Jews?

Who benefitted from those actions?

ah-ha.......where is that V-8?

Doodoolemongue

Thank you, Joe. As a Jew who supports Isreal, I agree with you 100%. They are no different, or better than the fundamentalist .

I honestly believe the majority of the citizens of Israel -- and the majority of the Jewish people here in our own country -- are fed up with these Neocons just as much we non-Jewish citizens are. The Neocon infestation in both countries needs to be cleaned out for good.

Hopefully the PNAC in both the U.S. and in Israel gang is dissolving.

They're just boarding the Straight talk Recessed. having ridden to power via a stupid GOPper, they want to stay there via a senile GOPper.

I wish all the neocons would board the Straight Talk Express and let McBush drive while Cheney rides as armed guard.

While Perle, who denied any such motives, is staking an oil claim with the Kurds. Follow the money....................

How much will he profit from 4000 dead Americans and 1 million dead Iraqis?

It drives me crazy when people play the anti-Semitic card to stifle debate about Israel's foreign policy and U.S. policy towards Israel.

Hard to believe the neocons have any credibility left to salvage at this point. How many times do they have to get it wrong?


It drives me crazy when people play the anti-Semitic card to stifle debate about Israel's foreign policy and U.S. policy towards Israel.

Hard to believe the neocons have any credibility left to salvage at this point. How many times do they have to get it wrong?

Posted by rcade at 2008-07-30 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

All they have to do is scream "holocaust" or "anti-semite" Not only that, but like the neocons here, they are protected by their cronies that have infiltrated every level of govt.

The neocons have been getting it wrong since the cold war in the 70's at least.(google "team B" rogers) They only way we'll be rid of them is when they die of old age.(which will be soon, thank god)

Wolofwitz and Rumsfeld were pushing that "russians have super secret weapons even aliens couldn't have" crap.

en.wikipedia.org

In 1974, Albert Wohlstetter, a professor at the University of Chicago, accused the CIA of systematically underestimating Soviet missile deployment, in his 1974 foreign policy article entitled "Is There a Strategic Arms Race?" Wohlstetter concluded that the United States was allowing the Soviet Union to achieve military superiority by not closing a perceived missile gap. Many conservatives then began a concerted attack on the CIA's annual assessment of the Soviet threat.[7][4]


U.S. and USSR/Russian nuclear weapons stockpiles, 1945-2006U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld began to make speeches arguing that the Soviets were ignoring Secretary of State Henry Kissingers treaties and secretly building up their weapons, with the intention of attacking the United States. The CIA and other agencies who watched the Soviet Union strongly disagreed with Rumsfeld, calling Rumsfeld's position a "complete fiction" and claiming that the Soviet Union was disintegrating from within, could barely afford to feed its own people, and would collapse within a decade or two if simply left alone. Rumsfeld used his position to persuade President Ford to set up an independent inquiry. Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz wanted to create a much more severe view of the Soviet Union, Soviet intentions, Soviet views about fighting and winning a nuclear war.[8][9][10]

The organization chosen by the Ford administration to challenge the CIA's analysis was the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB).

In 1975, PFIAB members asked CIA Director William Colby to approve the initiative of producing comparative assessments of the Soviet threat. Colby refused, stating it was hard "to envisage how an ad hoc independent group of analysts could prepare a more thorough, comprehensive assessment of Soviet strategic capabilities than could the intelligence community."[11] Colby was removed from his position in the Halloween Massacre; Ford has stated that he, himself, made the decision alone,[12] but the historiography of the "Halloween Massacre" appears to support the allegations that Rumsfeld had successfully lobbied for this.[13]

When George H. W. Bush became the Director of Central Intelligence in 1976 the PFIAB renewed its request for competitive threat assessments. Although his top analysts argued against such an undertaking, Bush checked with the White House, obtained a go-ahead, and by May 26 signed off on the experiment.[4]

According to Fred Kaplan, "In retrospect, the Team B report (which has since been declassified) turns out to have been wrong on nearly every point.[27] Team B came to the conclusion in their report[28] that the Soviets had or could develop an entirely new anti-submarine detection system that used a system that did not depend on sound and was, thus, undetectable by contemporary Western technology, even though no evidence existed for it or its deployment, other than money spent on research, and when the western experts believed that such a system would be impossible. When the CIA argued that the economic chaos in the Soviet Union was hindering their ability to produce an air defense system, Team B countered by arguing that the Soviet Union was trying to deceive the American public and claimed that the Russian air defense system worked perfectly. Some members were even considering promoting a first strike policy against the U.S.S.R.[11][29][8]

Sound familiar?

These people don't even believe the bullshit they're peddling. Just in it for the no bid contracts and election victories.

According to Anne Hessing Cahn (Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, 1977-1980), Team B's analysis of weapons systems was later proven to be false. "I would say that all of it was fantasy... if you go through most of Team B's specific allegations about weapons systems, and you just examine them one by one, they were all wrong."[32] The CIA director at the time, George H. W. Bush, concluded that the Team B approach set "in motion a process that lends itself to manipulation for purposes other than estimative accuracy."[8][33] Brookings Institute Scholar Raymond Garthoff concurred, writing that in "retrospect, and with the Team B report and records now largely declassified, it is possible to see that virtually all of Team B's criticisms... proved to be wrong. On several important specific points it wrongly criticized and 'corrected' the official estimates, always in the direction of enlarging the impression of danger and threat."[34] A top CIA analyst called Team B "a kangaroo court of outside critics all picked from one point of view."[14]

And here is my proof they're in it for the money and power, and don't give a fuck about our safety.

The money shot:

Despite Kissinger's condemnation of Team B's assessment, Rumsfeld was effusive in promoting it as a credible study--and thereby undermining arms control efforts for the next four years. Two days before Jimmy Carter's inauguration, Rumsfeld fired parting shots at Kissinger and other disarmament advocates, saying that "no doubt exists about the capabilities of the Soviet armed forces" and that those capabilities "indicate a tendency toward war fighting ... rather than the more modish Western models of deterrence through mutual vulnerability." Team B's efforts not only were effective in undermining the incoming Carter administration's disarmament efforts but also laid the foundation for the unnecessary explosion of the defense budget in the Reagan years. And it was during those years that virtually all of Rumsfeld's compatriots were elevated to positions of power in the executive branch.[39]

And they did it again with iraq. Same people, same philosophy, same results.

Interesting read, Alexandrite

Rumsfeld just moved countries after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

What a contemptable, warmongering, murderous piece of slimy NeoCon

contemptible

Before you guys go skipping off into the sunset with Mr Klein, you need to realize that those Jewish Neo-Cons are in charge of almost all banking interests.

(Hitler - that murderous nazi bastard- was actually right about that. In fact, he was financed by jewish banking interests).

Fix that, then we can talk, otherwise you are just whistling in the wind.

I did some consulting for the Israeli ministry of Defense that happened to coincide with the first bombings of the infada of 1996. The people I worked with said they were totally in favor of a Palestinian state. They also said their biggest problems came from American ultra religious settlers who were stirring up a lot of shit along with attacking secular Israelis.

Religious American Fucktards.

(Hitler - that murderous nazi bastard- was actually right about that. In fact, he was financed by jewish banking interests).

He was backed by Zionist interested in establishing a Jewish State.

And guess what happened?

where is GZ to denounce this man

Don't do that again Rasta!!

Who the hell is Joe Klein and who cares what he thinks.

Before you guys go skipping off into the sunset with Mr Klein, you need to realize that those Jewish Neo-Cons are in charge of almost all banking interests.
(Hitler - that murderous nazi bastard- was actually right about that. In fact, he was financed by jewish banking interests).
Posted by Lipzoidial

Good point Lipzoidial.

It drives me crazy when people play the anti-Semitic card to stifle debate about Israel's foreign policy and U.S. policy towards Israel.
RCADE

Very good point RCADE.
We should study (and try to answer) the questions WHO these people are, and WHY are they attempting to stifle (censor) debate in a free society?

"As a Jew who supports Isreal"
Posted by DooDooLemonque
wow, a Jewish Israel supporter who can't even spell Israel correctly...?!

The Jews will lie without guilt.

Treblinka never happened. It was a lie. Ground penetrating radar revealed NO disturbance of soil, nothing buried underground, nothing there at all.

www.ihr.org

Anything a Jew says is probably a lie. Sorry, but that's how they are.

A priest and a rabbi were walking down the street and saw a teenaged boy walking in their direction. The priest says, " Hey, let's fuck him!
The rabbi says, " Out of what?"

It would be wonderful to eliminate the anti-Semite groups rhetoric as well as the Israel "right or wrong back them with all of our might" group. And even the so-called moderates that usually aren't.

To be able to know the exact risks and needs of any actions without a total leaning one way or the other.

That Iran is a terrorist state at present isn't deniable. That certain factions on both major sides of any question involving Israel can in some ways be nearly as bad.

Being supportive of Israel and being so much so that their abuses are ignored is no better for us than it is for certain other countries to support the sworn enemies of Israel without reservation.

My great "pipe dream"is that the truth of all sides and issues would be the governing factor in all decisions. That takes a hell of a lot of opium to see happening.

The neocons have been getting it wrong since the cold war in the 70's at least.(google "team B" rogers) They only way we'll be rid of them is when they die of old age.(which will be soon, thank god)

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008

so did you see yesterdays daily show when jon had on the guy who said that neocons are represented by close to60 something per cent, they just dont call themselves that...........

and I am glad that joe klein wont be bullied. he is nowhere near a journalist who looks at all sides of an issue anyway........in other words he is just like europe.......insignificant

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