Hopefully Jefferson is next. Get rid of all of the crooked dirtbags.

I'm good with that. Get rid of as many of the corrupt Repubs and Dems as possible.

This can't help his re-election efforts......

Why not, there are plenty of tardos out there to vote for them.

He's a Republican...the pardon is on its way.

Good. The corrupt bastard needs to go.

Bridge to Nowhere. Pffft. Buh bye.

You're an idiot Dummi. Whatever you say, the opposite is probably true.

Whatever you say, the opposite is probably true.

Posted by SeanR

Don't you EVER get tired of always being wrong?

Ted Stevens?

Can't say we'll miss ya.

He is 86 years old, there is no way he sees a jail cell - unless he pleads guilty of cours.

You know, I thought I was wrong ONCE, but as it turned out I was right after all.

Go figure.

there is no way he sees a jail cell

Probably correct, but can you say "One More Seat"?

Question, what if Bush did pardon him?? Could he remain in the Senate??

Was the cash in his freezer? Was he running a queer whore house in his basement?

Is two years after the fact too late to make a "series of tubes" joke?

Looks like one of those half billion dollar bridges actually goes somewhere-the pen.

Isn't he the same turd who's pushing thru a highway in some county here in Fla. to make a developer friends property value esclate???? And the residents of the county don't want it...

I'LL BITE,

Looks like Stevens went down the tubes.

How many more are still unknown? These are the secrets which bind Republicans and Democrats, pitting them against the public.

Hopefully Jefferson is next. Get rid of all of the crooked dirtbags.

Posted by taxman at 2008-07-29 01:04 PM

Now don't go getting all worried here...but I agree with you.
After these two get what is coming to them we need to start scrutinizing some more of them. Hastert(even though he is retired) and Reed come to mind...
How in the hell do these guys go to DC regular fold ...only to be millionaires in a few years ?

Psssssssssst...I have a good idea.

Put him in the cell next to DUKKK Cunningham!!

Why are we talking about thousands of dollars? Why can't he just pay the company back and have all be forgotten like the Dems did with their mortgages?
Sincerely,
Lame Deflection

Does this mean the Justice Department is no longer politicized and political? Or is Uncle Ted just being sacrificed to create that illusion?

**** You know, I thought I was wrong ONCE, but as it turned out I was right after all.
Posted by SeanR *****

.......no kidding......you thought ?....that must have hurt.......

Ted became a convenient target when his words and deeds violated the unspoken bipartisan agreement to never campaign in a manner which undermines the Duopoly's credibility and moral authority.

Was he running a queer whore house in his basement?

Posted by Sniper

Don't worry your face will be blurred on the photos.

How in the hell do these guys go to DC regular fold ...only to be millionaires in a few years ?

Well in Hasturd's case he bought up a bunch of land and then magically legislation he drew up put a freeway right next to it.

MAGIC!

After these two get what is coming to them we need to start scrutinizing some more of them. Hastert(even though he is retired) and Reed come to mind...
Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-07-29 02:16 PM

So tell me exactly what Jack Reed has done or is this more right wing dementia?

Good to see ted friend Johnnyboy isn't tarnished by being bought and sold.
Much.

So far, Mr. McCain, who has locked up the Republican presidential nomination, has received more than $181,600 from lobbyists and trade groups, while Mr. Obama has received just over $6,000.
The gifts are disclosed in lobbying contribution reports-- filed with Congress under the ethics law, which was adopted last year in response to scandals involving the lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Some lobbyists chafe at being asked for money by the McCain campaign while he disparages lobbyists as agents of big-moneyed special interests.-- But they know that such criticism is a staple of politics.

FEED HIM TO ALLIGATORS. HE IS 86 YRS OLD. NO USE ANY MORE

Sure speaks for term limits, though
a)the founding fathers never wanted them
b) would have ruled out Ron Paul and John McSame's prez runs as they'd both be long gone by now.

The trial will take well over a year to commence. Bush will be out of office... but I don't put it past him to pardon someone who hasn't been convicted yet.

Sen. Stevens Indicted

Hey look at the good side if it was next year he wouldn't get a pardon..

Maybe him and his kid can share a cell.
But remember the GOpper mantra-indicted is still innocent, convicted is still innocent pending an appeal and convicted after all appeals are exhausted is still innocent pending a pardon.

Some lobbyists chafe at being asked for money by the McCain campaign while he disparages lobbyists as agents of big-moneyed special interests.

Just another piece of the McBullshit puzzel

Bye Bye Ted--

Sounds like a good time to buy some VECO stock, now that they don't have Stevens sucking at their tit, their profits should be up quite a bit.

Was he running a queer whore house in his basement?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-07-29 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag

Why? Do you want his address?

Why? Do you want his address?

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-07-29 03:39 PM | Reply

Hell, if you pick him up on your way to work he won't even need it.

Isn't he the same turd who's pushing thru a highway in some county here in Fla. to make a developer friends property value esclate???? And the residents of the county don't want it...

Yep.

"Isn't he the same turd who's pushing thru a highway in some county here in Fla. to make a developer friends property value esclate???? And the residents of the county don't want it..."

You must be thinking of Harry Reid's land holdings.

This is a good start. Now it's time to weed out the rest from both side. I noticed we all seem to agree on this thread. We all seem to want all of the scumbags gone no matter D or R.

Well in Hasturd's case he bought up a bunch of land and then magically legislation he drew up put a freeway right next to it.

MAGIC!

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-29 02:44 PM

Ummm...that is why I mentioned Hastert and Reid in the same sentence.

This is a good start. Now it's time to weed out the rest from both side. I noticed we all seem to agree on this thread. We all seem to want all of the scumbags gone no matter D or R.

Small problem, with only 3 left(?), who'd...oh, fuck, nevermind...like we'd notice a difference..

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-07-29 03:39 PM | Reply

Hell, if you pick him up on your way to work he won't even need it.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-29 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

Damn, Whine-Oh-Whine, your attempt at humor sucks almost as hard as you do.

Send the crook to jail....

"Now don't go getting all worried here...but I agree with you.
After these two get what is coming to them we need to start scrutinizing some more of them. Hastert(even though he is retired) and Reed come to mind...
How in the hell do these guys go to DC regular fold ...only to be millionaires in a few years ?
Psssssssssst...I have a good idea."

Kerrin I couldn't agree with you more, I mean really, you and I may disagree politically (especially when it comes to Presidential preferences) but you are spot on here girl, how the hell on gawd's green earth do they ALL end up being millionaires while being paid the salary that they are? Good investments? Nope. Thrifty living? Nope. They are all on the take, every last sorry one of them.

TERM LIMITS

Sen.Ted Stevens, at least for today, is pledging to continue his re-election campaign despite his indictment by a federal grand jury. The campaign is moving "full steam ahead," said spokesman Aaron Saunders. "Our office has been flooded today with calls and emails from supporters urging the Senator to press on. The message from them is clear: Alaska needs Ted Stevens in the U.S. Senate."

And, of course, there'll be plenty of bridgeless Republicans voting for him.

Does this mean the Justice Department is no longer politicized and political? Or is Uncle Ted just being sacrificed to create that illusion?

Posted by member2586

Since the investigation began at the state level, several folks convicted and, since Stevens benefactor already confessed, I guess the DOJ just couldn't ignore it.

It's about time. What took so long to indict this crook?

Ask the Justice Dept. that Bush built.

Sen.Stevens is probably more honest than most of the politicians in Washington,who are happily cruising on the wealthy Corporate-Lobbyist's Gravy Train! Stevens must have crossed someone in the Whitehouse and so in sinister pay back they're throwing him to the wolves!!!

Ask the Justice Dept. that Bush built

???

The same justice dept that indicted him?

*sigh*

Bush's fault. I'm glad there are a few lefties whose posts actually contain something worth reading. Not all of them are "bush's fault" parrots.

Goatman-
You're the one who asked why it took so long.

Were you just ranting at the wind?

Stevens and Jefferson-
both belong in the pokey.

Goatman-
BTW, here's a glimpse of how respected our DoJ has become under Bush by those in the legal community:

Mr. Gonzales, the former attorney general, who was forced to resign last year, has been unable to interest law firms in adding his name to their roster, Washington lawyers and his associates said in recent interviews.

He has, through friends, put out inquiries, they said, and has not found any takers. What makes Mr. Gonzaless case extraordinary is that former attorneys general, the governments chief lawyer, are typically highly sought.

A longtime loyalist to George W. Bush dating to their years together in Texas, Mr. Gonzales was once widely viewed as a strong candidate to be the first Hispanic-American nominated one day to the Supreme Court....

This is too funny, another moral crusader on the right

Gosh, you wonder at the risks these people take. But then, it's a way of life for them, and many have gone into "the political way of life" without consequences, for decades. So when they are called to answer for what have becme commonplace activities, they are at best nonplussed by the turn of events.

But wait, what about Obama and his Rezko house? Is his indictment next? Should it be? If not, why not?

JOHNSON

You love being full of shit 24/7/365

Posted by Seabiscuit at 2008-07-29 02:47 PM

So tell me exactly what Jack Reed has done or is this more right wing dementia?

JOHNSON

You live off of rumors with no truth to them.

Posted by Seabiscuit at 2008-07-29 02:47 PM

So tell me exactly what Jack Reed has done or is this more right wing dementia?

He will get justice--I prefer sooner.
Posted by MURPHY* * * *
Your wish is granted. He's been dead for six years.
Posted by rightisright

Stevens should be kicked out the Congress, and out of the party. Should be he acquitted, well, then welcome back.

Won't happen, though. The Repubs are no better than Dems anymore.

But wait, what about Obama and his Rezko house? Is his indictment next? Should it be? If not, why not?

Posted by Johnson
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It's uncouth to bring things like that up, Johnson. Just because a convicted felon gave Obama hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of free stuff doesn't mean it's polite to bring it up here.

And by bringing it up, it will only encourage ad hominem attacks against YOU, not any discussion as to why Stevens or Obama are in any way different. They're not. They're both bottom-dwelling, lying politicians who used their position in Washington to get more home than they thought they should have to pay for. But among the Obamaniacs here, you won't get much of an audience.

Well in Hasturd's case he bought up a bunch of land and then magically legislation he drew up put a freeway right next to it.

MAGIC!

Posted by 726

That sounds like what Reed did in Nevada. Not to mention that Dianne F was on the commitee that handed out money to her husbands construction company.

The Dems and the Reps both have bad apples. The difference is that the Reps do what they can to get them the hell out, and the Dems just defend or ignore the crooks in their party and use the same old crap about "It's their personal Life" or "It's just about sex."

Harry Reed, Barry Wayne O, Feinstein, Jefferson, Frank, Murtha, and many more are still voting strong because the Dems are more concerned with keeping a majority elected than they are purging out the shit in their party.

The Dems eager to defend, the Reps eager to weed out the shit.

"And by bringing it up, it will only encourage ad hominem attacks against YOU, not any discussion as to why Stevens or Obama are in any way different."

Er....Stevens has been indicted, Obama has not been. That's a pretty big difference, oh but I forgot, the Justice Dept. is on Obama's team and they give him a pass on wrong doing, Oh, just like they do for Feitstein and Reid and all the Dems cuz the Bush administration is really a Democratic administration....spin it any way you want....Stevens must be EXTREMELY dirty for them to even consider charging him, if there were any way not to they wouldn't and everyone knows it.

"Er....Stevens has been indicted, Obama has not been."

Certainly a key difference. Also, Rezko has been pretty thoroughly investigated in the course of indictment and trial, and not a shred of evidence of any wrong doing regarding Obama was uncovered.

Stevens must be EXTREMELY dirty for them to even consider charging him, if there were any way not to they wouldn't and everyone knows it.

Posted by danni

I think some really good investigative reporting in AK had alot to do with it, but in the end I think its a bone that the Bush Administration is throwing to John McCain to counter arguments that the Justice Department is politicized.

Uh huh. Obama got a house for $300,000 off the asking price, while his pal Rezko paid the full price for the next-door lot, all in the same transaction. Then, Obama claims he can't remember any of the details about buying the home he lives in.

No problem, though. Hopefully he'll be staffing his administration with people smarter than he is, with better memories.

But it's true. No indictment. So, obviously, he's done nothing wrong. I'll remember this argument, when I hear about all the crimes of BushCo, or the Bush Crime Family, or the Bush-Cheney Cabal, etc.

"The difference is that the Reps do what they can to get them the hell out..."

Uhm, yeahhhh. I remember the outrage of the GOP as they tried to get Tom DeLay the hell out. Oh wait, no, they tried to change their own and Senate rules to keep him in.

LOL.

"Senate rules"

Sorry, that should have been "House" rules.

he should have a large contingent of supporters since he is apparently so successful in getting
earmarks for his state.

Just another pig feeding at the trough. Guess this one will get bled out. Meanwhile all the other pigs are snorting and scrumming over whats left...

I think the way it works is that if a Dem is committing a crime and they can find evidence they charge him with a crime, if a Rethug is committing a crime then they have to find overwhelming, incontrovertible, obvious, indisputable evidence that is publicly acknowledged by the culprit's mother, father, children, spouse and pastor.

Whatever.

***** Uh huh. Obama got a house for $300,000 off the asking price, while his pal Rezko paid the full price for the next-door lot, all in the same transaction. Then, Obama claims he can't remember any of the details about buying the home he lives in.

Posted by rightisright ******

.......link please .......

SKIZZIKS

Isn't it a hoot? The cockroach Rethugs conveniently forget Charles Keating, McCain's near prison term, and the $200,000,000,000 (billion) bailout of the S & L industry - as a result of legislation McCain pushed through Congress deregulating the S & L industry in the first place.

They're so damn jealous of Obama they crap their pants and fling everything but the kitchen sink.

Andrea Mitchell got to the bottom of the last "He isn't as patriotic as me" BS by McCain over the Ramstein wounded troop visit. Obama was allowed to bring his aides, including the retired 2 star, with him in Afghanistan, but not Ramstein.

Smells similar to the State Dept. order not to help Obama.

I don't recall exactly what our conversations were or where I first learned, and I am not clear what the circumstances were where he made a decision that he was interested in the property," Obama said.

"I may have mentioned to him the name of [a developer and] he may at that point have contacted that person. I'm not clear about that," Obama said.

The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.

Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. The Rezkos declined to comment for this article.

I think some really good investigative reporting in AK had alot to do with it, but in the end I think its a bone that the Bush Administration is throwing to John McCain to counter arguments that the Justice Department is politicized.

Actually the Stevens indictment is interesting. IIRC it's the first time a Congressman has been indicted only for the falsification of disclosure, without the actual crimes themselves being cited.

Normally the crimes themselves are the crux, the failure to disclose an add on charge.

The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.

Oh no! He didn't pay the "asking" price!

Neither have I on any of the 12 properties I've bought.

Coincidentally, the house I'm in I bought for 18% under asking.

Article was written in 2006. And we're to believe that Barrack can't remember how he found the property, in 2005? Who suggested what to whom, just a few months before? How Obama got a $300,000 discount on his property, but Rezko paid full price for his, closed on the same day? Rezko's the experienced, savvy real estate investor--so how is it that Rezko got screwed in the deal?

I remember the details of every home or apartment I ever lived in. But maybe I'm just smarter than Barack. Or have less to be dishonest about.

Hmmm. Yeah. I'll go with that one. To my knowledge, I've never been lifelong friends with convicted felons with whom I've invested money and shared real estate deals, so I don't have to parse my words about this sweetheart deal or that one. Barrack does.

BTW: many of us righties won't argue with you on McCain. He's a scumbag. Funny thing is, Obama is too. But as long as he's a Dem, that's okay by you.

Coincidentally, the house I'm in I bought for 18% under asking.

Posted by YAV
* * * * *

Interesting. And did a convicted felon and one of your biggest campaign supporters come in and buy an adjoining lot for the full asking price, so that you could enjoy an 18% discount?

Just asking.

Interesting. And did a convicted felon and one of your biggest campaign supporters come in and buy an adjoining lot for the full asking price, so that you could enjoy an 18% discount?

Nope.

You do realize you just shot your argument down, right?

"The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust."

Let's be sure we get the additional pertinent details into the storyline.

The sellers of the property have stated that they did not reduce the price of the house because of the sale of the adjacent lot. In fact, they said that the Obama's made a total of 3 increasingly higher bids on the house until a price acceptable to the owners was reached.

"Article was written in 2006. And we're to believe that Barrack can't remember how he found the property, in 2005?"

He wasn't talking about how he found the house.

"Rezko paid full price for his, closed on the same day? Rezko's the experienced, savvy real estate investor--so how is it that Rezko got screwed in the deal?"

Property sellers have stated that there was another offer on the adjacent property. And Rezko didn't get screwed. Obama paid full market value for a strip of the lot, and the rest was sold later at a profit. The deals closed on the same day as stipulated by the sellers.

Ted Stevens doesn't exploit loopholes, he drills them.

Last weeks argument was that Obama got a sweetheart deal when the bank cut 1/3 of a % off the mortgage rate.

These Rethug financial geniuses never heard of "competition" before evidently.

The previous owners of the house negotiated with Obama for 10 days. He started at $1.3 million. They started at $1.9 million. Huh? You mean the final price was a result of meeting halfway for a house that had been on the market a considerable time? Imagine that.

These Rethug financial geniuses never heard of
"negotiation" before evidently.

Just more of the 'sling as much shit as you can and hope something sticks' school of Karl Rove politics.

Can I remind the Rethugs about McCain's political mentor and crony, Charles Keating, the S & L crisis that nearly got McCain thrown in jail, the $200,000,000,000 bailout the taxpayers had to pay, and the legislation McCain pushed through Congress that brought on the whole mess?

Oh, and BTW, this thread is about yet another indicted GOP Congressman. Something that actually occurred. Not ridiculous assertions.

The bad news for Dems is that this indictment s coming before the GOP primary in Alaska. The Republicans may be able to hold this seat with anyone other than this old dirtbag. Howewever, if Stevens is as stubborn as Craig and Vitter and stays on, Dems have a legitimate shot at 60 seats and begich could win this race by 20 points

"The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.

Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. The Rezkos declined to comment for this article."

And this proves exactly nothing. Assuming the lots were the same size and value then Obama's house alone cost $695,000. That's a lot of money for a house. If there was a crime committed here you and I both know the Bush administration would have sicced the dogs on Obama. Get real.

this thread is about Stevens and RisR's pathetic attempts to compare his indictment to the imaginary "crimes" of Obama smacks of pure desperation.

That's it, all right. I'm desperate. I'm just looking for anything that we can stick to Obama, because I'm just so gung-ho for McCain.

I don't think you care about McCain at all, you do care about the Bush tax cuts though. I think you and lots of other Republicans will say just about anything if it will help prevent Obama or any other Dem that will not make those tax cuts permanent from taking office.

Oh, and BTW, this thread is about yet another indicted GOP Congressman. Something that actually occurred. Not ridiculous assertions.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

Fair enough. But we know it's not a "ridiculous assertion" that several Dem members of Congress got sweetheart deals from Countrywide Home Loans, totalling thousands of dollars each. And their defense was all the same: "I didn't read the sales contract", or "I didn't know I was getting a good deal"--even though they were told, "Hey! You're getting a great deal on this below-market loan!"

No problem, though. I'm glad Stevens is going to trial. He should be kicked out of the party. I'm a purist that way. The Dems don't care about any of that stuff, as long as they see a veto-proof majority possible. Quelle surprise.

I think you and lots of other Republicans will say just about anything if it will help prevent Obama or any other Dem that will not make those tax cuts permanent from taking office.

I don't think McCain will make those tax cuts permanent anyway.

don't worry Danni, RIR and I will pay more and we will survive.

LOL

I think you and lots of other Republicans will say just about anything if it will help prevent Obama or any other Dem that will not make those tax cuts permanent from taking office.

Posted by danni
* * * *

Obama's going to take office, I knew that months ago. And I'm going to make a lot of money during his presidency. So I really couldn't care less. Obama's presidency won't have any more teeth than the Democratic Congress does: they'll say anything to have their voters think they're "progressives" or "the only answer to George Bush", then they eagerly--but quietly--adopt all of Bush's positions on everything. Why should tax policy be any different?