it was probably the bacon cheeseburgers or the fact that mcdonald's condones homosexuality as underlying causes...they stone or behead gays in the izlamic world...this was probably just a ruse.

nanc spewing hate????!!!

i'm shocked!

maybe
nanc
the owner of this mcdonalds was of your ilk

muslim haters

Maybe McDonald's wants them to wear sanitary hairnets or something instead of hijabs.
I can't imagine it's too hygenic to wear a hot sweaty headcovering working around the heat lamps and stoves. Plus, they can get caught in the machinery or catch on fire. You can take it to the bank that next these Muslim gals will be complaining they can't serve pork sandwiches or they have to quit in the middle of cooking hamburgers so they can wash their feet and pray 5 times a day.

If I were an employer I would not hire Muslims simply because every time you do they either end up suing you or everyone in the place had to accomodate them and their prayer hours and religous customs. I don't blame McDonalds. They have the right to hire or not hire employees who will be able to work the best in a fast food environment and it that doesn't include wearing bulky headwear in the kitchen.

"nanc spewing hate????!!!

i'm shocked!"

Is that what it was? She is so incoherent that I could not have figured it out.

Good thing that the people who spew h8 are not such gr8 communicators.

Nanc is a buffoon. Her spewing hate is like Yosemite Sam huntin rabbits.

In the UAE all the fast food workers are from the Philippines.

Who gives a fuck. Take off the tent and you can get a job. Simple.

I would think there are safety and health issues wearing one of those things -- snagging on the fryer basket, loose garments brushing the food etc.

Get a clue, muslims -- adapt to the modern world or stay in your little shithole country where you have to wear that shit. Then you can be as happy as a pig --- er _______ (fill in the blank with an unoffensive animal) --- in shit.

"your little shithole country where you have to wear that shit."

oh you mean like
flds, amish, quakers?

headscarves anyone??

oh you mean like
flds, amish, quakers?

I'm not sure what flds are, but yes, like amish and quakers, too. If they want to work at McDonalds, they have to dress like the rest of the employees. Why shouldn't they?

so do you think orthadox jews should take off the yamika?

the sikh religion requires them to cover head and grow long beards and hair.

should they change their look for a minimum wage job?

right to practice your religion

i'm not personally down with the hijab

but how is it constitutional to tell them how to practice their religion.

especially if they choose to wear it of their own choice as they believe is a requirement of their religion?... or are you against freedom of religion

so do you think orthadox jews should take off the yamika?

I guess you haven't grasped my stance, klifferd, so I'll spell it out for you:

If it not part of the uniform or dress the employer requires, then yes, it needs to be taken off or not worn.

should they change their look for a minimum wage job?

They shouldn't have to change. The employer should never have hired them if they did not agree to the dress codes.

"If it not part of the uniform or dress the employer requires, then yes, it needs to be taken off or not worn"

understood
you are against freedom of religion

right to practice your religion

Practice it. I don't care.

also note
the corporation has said that hijab does not violate their dress code

this was the managers personal requirement

you are against freedom of religion

???

Whatever, klifferd, who obviously graduated summa cum laude from the "buffalo bob school of logic".

but how is it constitutional to tell them how to practice their religion.

McDonald's isn't telling them how to practice their religion. They're simply being told to practice their religion (and that includes the wearing of religious attire) on their own time -- not on the job. An employer has every right to say when and where when he owns the place where you work and he is paying you for your time. If they don't like it, work somewhere else.

the corporation has said that hijab does not violate their dress code

this was the managers personal requirement

Well, if the corporate code trumps the manager's requirement, then she should be able to wear it. duh

What is this game you are playing, klifferd?

"Get a clue, muslims -- adapt to the modern world or stay in your little shithole country where you have to wear that shit"

what game are you playing?

from the picture the two look like african americans

not immigrants
like you sound like your talking about

from the picture the two look like african 1americans

???

It doesn't matter what they look like. They have to obey the rules of the land and the people they work for.

What is so difficult about that concept to you, klifferd?

Guess the McDonald's manager changed his mind.
Right after these two Muslim women were told they couldn't have the job he hired a third Muslim woman on the spot even though she came in wearing a hijab on her head too. Maybe she had more experience slinging hamburgers?

Posted by CalifChris

I'd hit her, I mean, hire her. (Sorry, I was channelling Ness for some reason).

"the rules of the land"

again

based on your comments
since mcd's doesn't have that rule
and since the usa doesn't have that rule

where do you get off saying
"Take off the tent and you can get a job. Simple"

and since i'm off

i'll leave with

the truth is you made a judgement before understanding the entire situation

there is no rule of the land at stake here
in fact they are excercising their rights based on the rules of the land

thank you, drive through

where do you get off saying
"Take off the tent and you can get a job. Simple"

This quote from the story. Simple:

"I applied for the McDonald's position maybe two weeks ago and he simply (told me) I had to make a choice and remove my hijab, or I would not be able to establish employment there,"

This tells me there is a policy at McDonald's that hijabs could not be worn. You said corporate policy said they could. Even though that is not in the story, I took your word for it then agreed they should be hired, because I did not know that since it was not in the story.

Now do you get it?

BTW, where did you get that information about corporate McDonald's policy? It wasn't in the story. Did you just make it up because you let emotion overcome common sense and force you to state as 'fact' that which you are not sure of? I think that's what happened to you, klifferd.

since mcd's doesn't have that rule

Link?

Or did you just make it up?

Make these mu-slime whores taste test the sausage McMuffins.

jo -- I hate to make unfound conclusions, but I have to wonder how long and how devout these two 'muslim' women are? They are obviously American judging by look and names.

I wonder if they donned these hijabs hoping they would get turned down so they could try their chances at the litigation lotto against a big corporation?

It'd be interesting to know how long they've been practicing Islam and how often they go to their mosque and/or if they read the Koran.

Make these mu-slime whores taste test the sausage McMuffins

I'll bet they eat them, fried pork chops, and ribs every day.

goat
from the article

McDonald's publishes a corporate handbook with a chapter titled "Our Commitment to Employees," which says that the world's largest fast food chain forbids discrimination in employment.

"Each of our employees throughout the world deserves to be treated with fairness, respect and dignity," the policy statement reads. "We provide equal opportunity for employees and applicants."

by the way
the headdress can be tight and worn under the mcdonalds hat that they were, it doesn't have to be loose.

i wonder if that suggestion was made

and..
"hoping they would get turned down so they could try their chances at the litigation lotto against a big corporation?"

if thats the case then they deserve to lose

oh and btw

i wouldn't have even commented on this blog
if people immediatedly didn't start talking about how they should eat bacon and kill homosexuals

and taking off the tent

goat

had you simply stated
what you obviously believe
that if the corporate dress code requires them to wear something... and they can't fulfill that, then they should work somewhere else

i wouldn't be arguing with you right now

obviously i don't expect a scarved woman to go to hooters and say they didn't hire her cause she refused to don the uniform.

you have to understand where I am coming from.

make it a legitate argument and i usually agree

"Each of our employees throughout the world deserves to be treated with fairness, respect and dignity," the policy statement reads. "We provide equal opportunity for employees and applicants."

I've read that three times, klifferd, and I don't see anything about allowing any kind of clothing that any religion allows.

As I said, you made up the corporate policy that says hijabs are allowed.

Shame on you.

If they want to work at McDonalds, they have to dress like the rest of the employees. Why shouldn't they?

Posted by goatman

I know being an employee you would not know this, but as an employer you cannot discriminate in hiring based on religion.

The second part is more complicated. You must work with your employees to make it possible for them to practice their religious beliefs -- within reason. This might mean not scheduling an employee to work on his or her Sabbath day or relaxing your dress code so that an employee can wear religious garments.

Why would someone with no religious affiliation need the Sabbath off?

Oorah,

I know full well the delicate balancing act that has to go on with regards to employees requests and needs.

Either way this McDonalds loses. My guess is that she will receive a large settlement. But even if McDonalds prevail they lose in the public relations department and have to pay legal costs.

goat
not only does corp policy allow it

i found this in some others blog

"I had several unusual experiences today, but I'll just mention two which made me think. Tonight, I decided on going to McDonald's to pick up some food, which isn't something I do that often. The girl behind the counter had one of those "In Training" badges on, so I immediately expected everything to get completely messed up (to her credit she did a fine job) and maybe that's why it took me a while to notice the scarf she was wearing to cover her hair. I'm not sure what the proper word is for the type of scarf Muslim women use, so I'm just going to call it a scarf.

I see plenty of women wearing scarfs all the time, so I barely noticed it. But while waiting I realized she wasn't wearing a regular scarf. She was wearing a dark blue scarf with golden arches on it. She was wearing an official McDonald's scarf made especially for Muslim women."

mcd's even has a sanctioned dress uniform hijab

should they change their look for a minimum wage job?

Yes, you need the job, actually, they dont need you. They can just hire someone else.

but as an employer you cannot discriminate in hiring based on religion.

You cant say, I wont hire he because she is a muslim, but you can say, I wont hire her because her muslim faith is incompatible with our requirements. Actually, I dont think an employer needs to justify this. Just dont call her back for an inteview.

the sikh religion requires them to cover head and grow long beards and hair.

So? Why does the employer give a fuck? This is all about assimilation. Islamic peoples need to understand this. Islam and western cultures dont mix.

i'm shocked!

Posted by klifferd at 2008-07-25 11:16 PM | Reply |

Kliff spewing idiocy.

I'm not shocked

is known for its racism

Posted by klifferd at 2008-07-25 11:36 PM | Reply

What a stoopid fuck you are.

"Islam" is not a 'race' it is a behavior
----

but how is it constitutional to tell them how to practice their religion.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-07-25 11:48 PM | Reply

Not every issue is a Constitutional crisis you dipshit

----

also note the corporation has said that hijab does not violate their dress code

Posted by klifferd at 2008-07-26 12:00 AM | Reply

Your ignorance of reality spills over into your ignorance of business. The corporate standard is not the same as the local standard. The reason the guy is a "manager" is so he can "manage" his store.

If, in his judgement, it is not sanitary or safe to walk around in a dirty wool tent then that is his job.

the sikh religion requires them to cover head and grow long beards and hair.

should they change their look for a minimum wage job?

Posted by klifferd at 2008-07-25 11:45 PM | Reply

Should you be willing to pick long beard hairs out of your sandwich? As a customer I think you should provide reasonable accomodation and eat that hair.

You want to turn this into some civil rights issue when in reality, nobody cares about that. These bitches can wander around Detroit dressed like penguins for all anybody cares.

People don't want sweat and hair in their food. The manager is serving his customers.

Get over it.

Hijab is an Arabic word meaning "cover." It refers to traditional Islamic dress, intended to encourage modesty, in which women often cover everything but the hands and face.

PC MYTH-Islam respects and honors woman.

Truth-Women are inferion to men and must be ruled by them:

"Men have authority over woman because God has made one superior to the other." (Qur'an 4:34)

An attempt to twist the law around using the race/religion card , in order to try to turn America into Ameriabia,just like Eurabia is heading.The slippery slope. Next will be burqas on drivers licenses, which has already been tried.

Who in their right mind would eat at McDonalds?

Super Sized- Where that guy ate there for a month to prove he would get sick. Some people will do anything for money

In Nov,2004, Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, held an anti -America, anti Israel demonstration. Proesters carried a large model of Jerusalems Al-Aqsa Mosque and waved signs bearing slogans such as "US hands off Muslim Land."The most arresting image was that of 2 woman carrying large signs featuring the face of Ayatollah Khomeini.

In December ,2004, the Metroplex Organization of Muslims in North Texas held a "Tribute to the great Islamic Visionary", Khomeini, in Irving, a suburb of Dallas.

Ayatollah Khomeini, a hero? In the United States?

I believe it's as simple as there is a required uniform all employees wear working there. Should you not want to wear it seek employment somewhere that has no uniform requirements.

Super Sized- Where that guy ate there for a month to prove he would get sick. Some people will do anything for money

Posted by controlledpairs at 2008-07-26 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

You know, I was essentially homeless when I was working in there in early 2001. I literally, with absolutely nothing else for a period of 3 months, ate nothing but McDonald's, because they were kind enough to feed me for free while I was trying to get somewhere to live..

I did just fine. I still think the guy in Super Size me is full of shit.

WTF????!!!!???
Christians have to wear a McDonalds uniform and conform to a dress code if they want to flip the burgers. But I guess that Muslims have more rights.

I know being an employee you would not know this, but as an employer you cannot discriminate in hiring based on religion.

I know that. But work safety and health trump religion. Trust me. As an employee who has to conform to dress code rules for safety and health, I know, 726.

If it were a Mom and Pop burger joint, there would be no lawsuit.

If it were a Mom and Pop burger joint, there would be no lawsuit

You are absolutely right. You can't win the litigation lottery against Mom and Pop. You go to the big boys for that.

I still wonder how long these two have been practicing Islam. I also wonder how their religion allows them to work there if they have to handle pork products?

Goat,
they are more likely Farakahan(sp?) mooslems.

Goatman,

They cannot come in contact with pork. I would fear that on their first day these muslims would demand they NOT touch the McBreakfast items. And if a manager offered them plastic gloves for safe handling...would they still claim religious persecution?

We have a similar dispute going on with Evangellical Pharmacists who want the right to refuse prescribing medicines to people for reasons that go against their religious beliefs - like 'Morning-After Pills' and various HIV meds. All in the name of Religious-Correctness.

This is what happens when a nation weakens and lets religious beliefs interfer with it's business, corporate, political or otherwise.

Personally, I am in favor of McDonalds upholding their own policies regarding safety and sanitation.

And as a Franchisee - this Manager should be able to determine what is sanitary for his restaurant. I also wouldn't expect him to hire a Catholic Nun wearing her own version of a 'hijab.'

If the hijab interferes in either of these two crucial aspects of their business then these women should look elsewhere. There are plenty of jobs that don't require stringent sanitation practices.

If McDonalds has issued a 'McDees Hijab-scarf' that meets their standard, fine, pass it out to affected employees.

But I do expect Mcdonalds will cave and payout to shut them up instead of tackling the important issue. Ironically I don't think McDonalds would suffer financial even with the bad P.R. this event would generate if they decided to stand firm.

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on a corporation, more-less a nation's people, is just as pernicious. and the lawsuits that follow in that vein are a waste.

The moral of the story: Keep your religious beliefs in your house and in your church were they belong.

Wow, I am getting ideas for my Halloween costume this year, I'll be a terrorist with a McDonalds name tag.

The moral of the story: Keep your religious beliefs in your house and in your church were they belong.

That sums it up perfectly. I'd add "...in your church or mosque or synagogue..."

Good Lord.

If a lifetime of reading the Koran doesn't acquaint people with the notion of a dress code, what will?

People need to get back to the reality of employment, which is: you are renting your ass to your employer. During the time for which you are being paid, you are accepting money to do your employer's bidding, illegal acts and harassment aside. You don't like your employer's bidding, go find another job or go live under a bridge.

Sheesh.

Your ignorance of reality spills over into your ignorance of business. The corporate standard is not the same as the local standard. The reason the guy is a "manager" is so he can "manage" his store.

Posted by vernon

Boy Vermin you really are a dumb shit. If a manager fails to follow CORPORATE POLICY then he is in violation of corporate policy and the company will be held liable for his failure.

But work safety and health trump religion. Trust me. As an employee who has to conform to dress code rules for safety and health, I know, 726.

Posted by goatman

Tell me how a head scarf would violate safety or health laws.

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-26 08:27 PM

Posted by vernon

Boy Vermin ...

What part of the Koran told these muslims to sue a corporation because ONE manager might have thought headresses were unsanitary?

These people are definately AMERICAN muslims. And they think they've hit the litigation lottery. Sad part is...they probably have.

Tell me how a head scarf would violate safety or health laws...Posted by 726

I am channelling Isadora Duncan, I'll get back to you when she enlightens me!

5-7-13-23-54 - Bonus Ball 63. No, 65. No - definately 64. It is 65 beyond a shadow of a doubt...I Object!

Litigation Lottery - Next on Fox Network!

I am pretty confident from reading a lot of the comments here,that most of you have never known or spoke to any Muslims.

Muslim women wear the Hijab in 120 degree heat in the middle east but the kitchen at Rotton Ronnies is too hot.
The Hijab is going to go up in flames but a paper hat and a hair net made from gasoline are not a problem?
Then these women are called mu-slime whores and Goatman alleges that it is just a scam to sue McDonald's.

"Who gives a fuck. Take off the tent and you can get a job. Simple.

I would think there are safety and health issues wearing one of those things -- snagging on the fryer basket, loose garments brushing the food etc.

Get a clue, muslims -- adapt to the modern world or stay in your little shithole country where you have to wear that shit. Then you can be as happy as a pig --- er _______ (fill in the blank with an unoffensive animal) --- in shit."

jo -- I hate to make unfound conclusions, but I have to wonder how long and how devout these two 'muslim' women are? They are obviously American judging by look and names.

I wonder if they donned these hijabs hoping they would get turned down so they could try their chances at the litigation lotto against a big corporation?

It'd be interesting to know how long they've been practicing Islam and how often they go to their mosque and/or if they read the Koran.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-26 01:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Make these mu-slime whores taste test the sausage McMuffins

I'll bet they eat them, fried pork chops, and ribs every day."
You are a bad fucking racist Joke Goatman.Sure you hate to make unfounded conclusions.When Spud made them about your wife you cried like a bitch.But even though these women are Americans, because they are Muslim Women you feel free to denigrate them.Strange sense of morality you have there.I bet old Muhammad-Ali would smash you face in if you said any of your crap to him.Hey Mike Tyson turned his life around through conversion to Islam try it out on him.

The Hijab is actually a clean garment,washed regularly.It can be tucked in under the shirt.A hat can be worn over it as well. It also satisfies the requirements for a hairnet.I have seen it done this way at Mcdonalds,Wendy's and Burger King restaurants in Edmonton.

I Have had thousands of Muslim employee's while I worked for KBR and Bechtal in the Middle East, The USA and Canada.I have been a guest in many of their homes and the majority are nothing like the sterotypes that are perpetuated here.
Although the men believe that God put them in charge of the family,they feel that they are to put the needs of the family above their own.They are very loving towards their wives and children.They keep their homes cleaner than most American's that's for sure. Oh and another tidbit,they think very highly of Jesus Christ.I have had a few good laugh's when born again Christians try to argue religion with Muslim's and soon discover that Muslim's know more about the Christian Bible than they do.

726

McDonalds provides uniforms for its employees. That settles it. Case closed.
Employees either must agree to wear the uniform provided or not work there at all. Employers also have the legal right to require a look of continuity in the workplace regarding the appearance of the employees -- hair cut to certain length, minumim allowance of jewelry -- even down the the size of earrings on women, etc.

Answer me this question:

How is it these two MUSLIM women want to work at a restaurant serving non-halal meat?

Do they intend to use the hijab issue as a way to get hired and once on the job say they can't handle any food with pork? McDonalds serves many items with pork so why do they even want to work there?

What we are seeing here, folks, is a "soft jihad" -- the taking over of our country's heritage and culture and the substitution of radical Islamic culture in its place, the intentional overcrowding of our courts with frivilous lawsuits under the guise of religious rights, and an attempt to islamize (a word?) the entire USA.

If McDonald's has 1/4th of a brain they will use this lawsuit as their Alamo. These two phony Muslims broads are suing for $10 million. Then let McDonalds countersue for $20 million plus all court costs and attorneys' fees and fight to the death. If they don't, every employer and business both large and small in the U.S is a future target for Muslim extortion. And you can thank the far left libs with their run amok PCBS (political correctness bullshit) for this mess.

The grand opening of the newest

And you can thank the far left libs with their run amok PCBS (political correctness bullshit) for this mess.

Posted by CalifChris

Excellent!! It's the "far left libs" fault. It can't be the fault of the parties involved, a huge corporation on one side and two conservatives on the other.
I'm actually on McDonald's side on this one. I think their uniforms suck and their policies suck, but they enforce those policies on all of their employees. Nobody who works at McDonald's can stroll into work wearing whatever they want.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-07-26 09:44 PM
Excellent post, CC. Good analogy: Let this be McDonald's Alamo. (but let's hope everyone isn't slaughtered as were the Texans at the Alamo!)

I'm actually on McDonald's side on this one.

Strangely enough, I am too, rasta. I hate McDonalds and everything they stand for, but I'm getting tired of the whole country having to kowtow to every little minority and their bizarre religious necessities.

If America can't accomodate you guys, go to some other country that will. I'm sure Iran or Afghanistan will welcome you with open arms Ms. Toi Whitfield and Quiana Pugh.

It can't be the fault of the parties involved, a huge corporation on one side and two conservatives on the other.

- Radicalrasty

Are you calling the corporation the "liberal" ones in this case and the two radical Muslim con women in hijabs the "conservatives"? You're nuts, as usual. Mostly every corporation I've worked for or know of is conservative in nature. Big business is not known for radical departure from the norm.

And, yes, I do blame far left libs (not regular liberals but the faaaaaar left ones) for this mess. You can take it to the bank the ACLU and every other far left group will be backing them in the court or filing an amicus curiae brief on their behalf and you know it. The far left would love nothing more than to see American culture and heritage destroyed and do everything they can to help radical groups with their own agenda to destroy it.

Are you calling the corporation the "liberal" ones in this case and the two radical Muslim con women in hijabs the "conservatives"?

No. Neither of them are liberal. That's the point.

McDonald's is very clear on their accepted headwear and provide it to those who work there if needed.

You cannot wear a Yankees baseball cap, you cannot wear anything but McDonald's issued headwear.

Period.

Although lazy people like to throw the term "radical muslim" around, there's really no such thing. The ultra-religious are reactionaries, not radicals.

No. Neither of them are liberal. That's the point

I have to disagree rasta. Historically and by the very definition, conservatives want to keep things the same (conserve) and liberals want change. These two women want change (of McDonald's policies)

I hate to politically polarize these types of issues, but if we must, McD's is the conservative, and Toi and Quiana are the liberal side.

Historically and by the very definition, conservatives want to keep things the same (conserve) and liberals want change.

Posted by goatman

Yeah. Muslims have been wearing crap on their heads for hundreds of years before McDonald's even existed and they don't want to change.

The far left would love nothing more than to see American culture and heritage destroyed...-- CalifChris

Um... Chris... we're talking about a McDonald's uniform.

I'm not sure it's reasonable for the government to get involved -- companies routinely require employees to work on religious holidays, for example, right?

But I wish I were a McDonald's customer so I could boycott them until they made accommodations for these women.

Um... Chris... we're talking about a McDonald's uniform.

For now. It's only the start....

SCOTTY:
"I am pretty confident from reading a lot of the comments here,that most of you have never known or spoke to any Muslims."

You can't accuse anyone from NJ with this. We don't have self serve gas. You HAVE to talk to the attendant.

PHOENIX:
Listen to CALIFCHRIS on this. I've seen evidence of what Chris is talking about. He is not overreacting or being paranoid.

I used to have a job where I had to work every other weekend. There was a Seventh Day Adventist on my team and he told management that he couldn't work on the sabbath (Saturday). Clearly Seventh Day Adventists are trying to destroy our way of life.

By the way, is changing New Jersey into something different a bad idea?

The argument the 'far left' is after allowing whatever people want when uniforms are involved is nonsense.

You think a court is going to open the door for cops to wear yarmulke's or Muslim headwear? Or Hindus?

A uniform is a uniform. Find me one Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu cop who wears headwear other than a police hat if any.

I've seen evidence of what Chris is talking about. He is not overreacting or being paranoid. -- NJDevil

Gosh, I can hear the oboes already! Don't keep us in suspense!

RASTACYBORG:
"By the way, is changing New Jersey into something different a bad idea?"

Very good retort. Can't argue with it.

And so it goes...

Another case -- this one just this May 2008 about eight Somali Muslim women suing Mission Foods tortilla company in Minnesota because they were fired for refusing to wear the company's standard uniform and instead demanded to wear their Muslim religious garb in the workplace.

Where does it stop?

Here is the story:

By the way, is changing New Jersey into something different a bad idea?"

Yes, changing New Jersey into something different is a very bad idea. Leave it be.
New Jersey isn't called the "Garden State" for nothing. Get outside the big cities and it's has beautiful lakes, rivers, the shore, forests.

Loose garmets don't mix well with machinery or deep fryers. The material they use is not only designed to stay out of the way, but in the case of McDonald's, also fire resistant.

There are a lot of "Muslim" i.e. people of obvious Middle East decent working at fast food places all over here. They wear uniforms and company issued hats.

That said, people need to get used to the fact that the days of immigration being primarily Europeans ended decades ago.

re my 11:09 post --

Before I get clobbered --

I did not mean to imply the women themselves were not clean and/or hygenic by choice, only that the bulky, long clothing makes it very hard to keep it clean and unsoiled. Just like the hems of long dresses get dirty when they drag on the ground. Same way with something tightly covering your entire head in a hot climate (or hot restaurant kitchen) will get sweaty, etc. You get the picture. It's not exactly the best attire to wear in a hot kitchen fast food joint.

Excellent post, CC. Good analogy.

Thanks.

In Nov,2004, Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, held an anti -America, anti Israel demonstration. Proesters carried a large model of Jerusalems Al-Aqsa Mosque and waved signs bearing slogans such as "US hands off Muslim Land."The most arresting image was that of 2 woman carrying large signs featuring the face of Ayatollah Khomeini.

Posted by controlledpairs at 2008-07-26 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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In December ,2004, the Metroplex Organization of Muslims in North Texas held a "Tribute to the great Islamic Visionary", Khomeini, in Irving, a suburb of Dallas.

Ayatollah Khomeini, a hero? In the United States?

Posted by controlledpairs at 2008-07-26 12:56 PM

Two "woman trying to retire early".Nothing new here.

Tell me how a head scarf would violate safety or health laws.

I suggest you ask someone who works in public health service. I am an ET.

I'm not sure it does, however. But it may violate a dress code. A dress code does not have to depend on public health.

I can name a thousand jobs that won't hire you if you refuse to wear their uniform. Would you like to hear a few? I work at one of them. We all have to wear red coveralls. Why? I don't know. I understand the steel toed boots and hard hats, but why do they make us wear red coveralls? It was blue until last June. Some drilling companies have green.

Anyway, 726, your post shows an ignorance towards corporate dress codes. They don't always apply to health as you imply.

I am channelling Isadora Duncan, I'll get back to you when she enlightens me!

LOL and FF

Sure you hate to make unfounded conclusions

I made no conclusions, you ignorant fuck. I asked questions. I'm sorry that you might find the potential answers distasteful.

Go live somewhere that everyone asks only really nice questions like where can they get a nice frappucino and how much are the pretty pansies.

We all have to wear red coveralls

Kinda cute hahaha

I work 12 hours a day, 14 days straight on an oil rig. What if a muslim woman came here. Should the company change the uniform for her only? Should they stop drilling operations 5 times a day so she can pray? Should she get off on her holy day while the rest of the crew works?

Well, those who think corporations should have to bend to another person's religios needs would obviously answer 'yes'. I think these bleeding hearts need a huge reality check.

What if these girls applied at Hooters but were told they could not wear their hijab. Should they sue Hooters?

Kinda cute hahaha

You'd really love the shade of pink our underwear and socks turn when washed with the new coveralls.

GOATMAN- I have been trying to get an off shore job,entry level, deckhand,roughneck,whatever. I see lots of scms obviously on the net. I have been sending resumes to companies directly and trying to follow up with phone calls. Any suggestions? Thanks

You'd really love the shade of pink our underwear and socks turn when washed with the new coveralls/

Nah, pink boxers don't do it for me.

ControlledPairs

Do you have any military background?

I work 12 hours a day, 14 days straight on an oil rig.

I've always been curious about how they work your 12 hour shift over from nights one week to days the second week. If you work 6 p.m - 6 a.m. the first week, how to they manage to have you work from 6 a.m to 6 p.m. the second week without working you one full day (when doing the shift change) for 24 hours straight?

CP send me an email. It's on my user page

I've always been curious about how they work your 12 hour shift over from nights one week to days the second week. If you work 6 p.m - 6 a.m. the first week, how to they manage to have you work from 6 a.m to 6 p.m. the second week without working you one full day (when doing the shift change) for 24 hours straight?

Good question. We call it short changing. On Friday morning, I work a couple of extra hours until the helicopted gets in, which is about 8:00. Then I go to bed for 6 hours (until 2:00 PM). The newly arrived guy works then. Then he goes to bed at 2:00 PM and I work until 8:00 PM. New guy gets up and works the rest of the night (10 hours) and I come on at 6:00 AM.

Thanks, Goat. Always wondered how the switching over of shift hours was maneuvered. They seem to have it it down pat. Must be hard, though, to keep your body clock switching from night to day ahifts every seven days and then go back to normal hours when you get home for two weeks. Guess you just get used to it.

I have good news!! I have located LZK on another blog!!

I will invite her back

Comment by LZK
July 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

Yes one divorce after 31 years. I stayed for the children..

They all grew up and went on to university and I had to go into hiding for one year as my ex threw some tantrums and tried to kill me. As you can imagine things will never-- be friendly between us even though our children and now grand/children are happy and healthy and successful..

I found a wonderful friend-- within one year of my divorce and swore-- I would never marry again. BUT Mr. Charming talked me into it and Ive never been happier. Were together 20 years and my children and grand/children adore him.

There IS LIFE after divorce..

For all those financially abused ex/husbands I want to brag I took NO alimony and NO pension fund money only support for my youngest who was at university at the time of my divorce. Some of us ex/wives-- can stand on our own two feet..

LZK

anybody besides myself in support of lzk's return?

Rasta-
I'm drawing a blank on LZK. Jog my memory.

I always heard about LZK on DR but wasn't blogging a whole lot on here before she disappeared. Wasn't LZK alleged to have about 50 other blogging names she used on here too? I get so confused with all the aliases on here. I wish everyone would just have the guts to stick to their own damn name for a change. Anyway, I have no problem with her or anyone else who wants to come back to DR. The more crazy characters the better.

LZK left early 2006. Was extremely conservative and fun to bag on. She was an Einstein compared to nanc though.

sweet the fox news blog is unmoderated heheheheh

"She was an Einstein compared to nanc though."

That doesn't narrow it down much.

I just did a google search and came up with this trip down memory lane

some of the old regulars from way back when...

The 2005 thread linked above was back in the days when anyone could post
on DR as "VISITOR" -- wild and crazy times back then...

yes Cali thats what I thought

here is another writing from somebody else eerily familiar to LZK

Poppycock--

By Gore's methods--the polar caps are gone by 2013.

And he wants to make his money the old fashioned way--stealing it ....

Why not get our own petrol and screw the foreign oil countries.

Work on the alternatives in the mean time.

There is nothing to replace oil--so get our own while we work on it.

can you guess the poster??

There were two ways to rule on the issue.

He picked one -- ey?????

My God -- string the man up..........

He made a ruling that doesn't sit well with the SanFranChron.

Boo Hoo............

Posted by LZK at 2005-09-22 07:33 PM | Reply

this compared to lzk

the first post was murphy

Rasty

Didn't see this comment by you:

She was an Einstein compared to nanc though.

before I posted mine about the same thing at 1:04 a.m.

I can't really give an opinion as I really didn't know LZK at all before she left DR so wasn't familiar with her style of posting.

nanc and Lzk are similar in that they post ridiculous statements, get clobbered in responses, then they retreat and return to repeat the process.

If a manager fails to follow CORPORATE POLICY then he is in violation of corporate policy and the company will be held liable for his failure.

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-26 08:27 PM | Reply

Boy 725 you really are a stupid sack of shit.

Corporate policy is broad, and to be interpreted at the local level by M-A-N-A-G-E-R-S. If you don't know this they you simply advertising you idiocy.

Restaurant chains have different menus in different places, to cater to local tastes. You won't find tofu at a Kroger in the hood, but you'll find it at Kroger in the burbs.

If you had ever been someplace beyond your mom's house you'd also know that food service workers (even at McDonald's) in other countries dress differently. In Turkey and India they use lamb instead of beef.

So shove your brilliance about corporate policy. You are a fool

As a condition of employement the Hijab Heads should be required to sign a document condemning the terrorist.

Maybe McDonald's wants them to wear sanitary hairnets or something instead of hijabs.
I can't imagine it's too hygenic to wear a hot sweaty headcovering working around the heat lamps and stoves. Plus, they can get caught in the machinery or catch on fire. You can take it to the bank that next these Muslim gals will be complaining they can't serve pork sandwiches or they have to quit in the middle of cooking hamburgers so they can wash their feet and pray 5 times a day.

If I were an employer I would not hire Muslims simply because every time you do they either end up suing you or everyone in the place had to accomodate them and their prayer hours and religous customs. I don't blame McDonalds. They have the right to hire or not hire employees who will be able to work the best in a fast food environment and it that doesn't include wearing bulky headwear in the kitchen.

Posted by CalifChris

Very good, Chris. I'm with you. I did laugh at the vision of the headrags getting caught in machinery and catching fire. Great sit-com idea!

Muslims should be able to wear anything they want to work.

Only the Muslims, though. We don't have a problem telling anyone and everyone else what they have to wear on the job. But as long as the Muslims have a professional-grievance lobby at the ready to hurl lawsuits around whenever they're told to take off the thirty pounds of wool they cart all over creation, we have to yield to whatever whims they wish.

Up next: no more Bacon on the ranch salads or on the McMuffin. All in the name of multiculturalism and "freedom of religion", of course. And the Klifferd's of the world will applaud.

CALIFCHRIS:
Thanks for your recognition of NJ being a good place. And may I say that my trip out to SF,CA a few years ago was a great experience. But that ocean that you have out there is pretty cold to say the least. My son and I were the only ones in the water without wet suits. SF Bay was surprisingly clean and we jumped in that water too. Fortunately there was a good bonfire on the beach and the beer was flowing, two things that you are not allowed to have on the Jersey Shore.

Considering the overwhelming opposition to the power granted these women on even this, a thread with a plethora of left-wingers, it's remarkable that our legislature keeps the power granting laws in place.

N'est pas?

NJDEVIL

I've been a lot of places in New Jersey. It's a shame most people's impression is Newark. The Jersey Shore rocks, and the open farm country inland was as nice as any place I've been.

Getting closer to NYC, they're really doing some cool things in Hoboken. Luxury condos and all.

My buddy lives in Jersey City on the 36th floor of one of the riverfront complexes across from lower Manhattan. I stayed with him around Christmas. Out the windows I could see all the way from the Statue of Liberty to uptown. The best view of the City I've ever seen.

Anyway, wanted to pipe in and give NJ some much deserved kudos.

Thanks to you too, AMERICANUNITY.
Jersey City does have a bad element, but it also has a beautiful waterfront and those condos are pretty spectacular.

Please, if you apply for a job at a private company that has a dress code, you wear the required clothing/uniform. Simple as that.

If you are stupid enough to adhere to a religion that interferes with your daily life, then apply to jobs that don't require much out of you so you can wear whatever you want and pray all day. Go work at a library or some other government job where the slack nature of the work accommodates your ridiculous lifestyle.

the burkas and headscarves were described as often being filthy... it was almost impossible to keep clean and sanitary when worn every day. CalifChris

How is that different from any other clothing?

Please, if you apply for a job at a private company that has a dress code, you wear the required clothing/uniform. Simple as that.

Exactly. I refuse to wear bright orange hot pants and that's why I will never apply for a job at Hooters.

Plus, it's long been my contention that you won't wear a bra, yes, Goatman?
:>)

If I were an employer I would not hire Muslims simply because every time you do they either end up suing you or everyone in the place had to accomodate them and their prayer hours and religous customs.

Yeah. Next thing you know you'll have blacks suing for the right to use the same bathrooms, women suing for pregnancy leave, and the disabled suing for access. So much for Western civilization.

We found a couple of funny Hooters pics.

hmmm...maybe I wouldn't look so bad in orange hot pants after all. *grin*

hmmm...maybe I wouldn't look so bad in orange hot pants after all. *grin*

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-27 04:19 PM

Okay, link a photo and we all can take a vote.

Err, no matter how "cute" your hairy ol'legs might be, any photo of you wearing
(((orange))) hot pants will get a big "No" vote from me. (cringe and grin)

Rasty--that was my post. I have always been Murphy though and no aliases ever.

On this thread--If the manager was concerned about safety--it would have been a good idea to mention this.

Based on the story--the girls are upset because he said they couldn't wear their scarves while at work.

There can't be any discrimination on the basis of religion.

The post by 726 on accomadation for employees may or may not apply here.

Although if is is a safety issue--and it very well could be--If they are working the front--they have to make sure the scarf is secured and not falling into product or grease, etc.

If they are working the back--I think employees have to wear one of those nets.

And they have to wear those stupid looking hats--it's part of the uniform.

There are safety rules at every place.

I don't know for sure that this manager was discriminating on religious clothing or because it's a safety issue. Lack of communication appears to be the case.

You can't wear facial jewelry just about everywhere because of the danger in just using the telephone, snagging it and ripping it off the face.