Somebody better start doing some 'splaining.

And now the story will get really good, that texas two step is going to dance around the pillars.

So...those Heroes were victims?

Wow.

Is it much better to have public beleive a group of heroes gallantly struggle and crash the airplane rather than let it hit another building giving the flying public a standard to live up to should it ever happen again or to shoot it down and have the flying public worry about being shot from the sky by your own armed forces?

I wonder how many leftists are hoping for Ramdan to be acquitted?

726, that's essentially the "Pat Tillman" justification.

Hamdan

Let's see...

Option 1: Get shot down and die

Option 2: Get flown into a building and die

Well, since #1 involves far less casualties in terms of lives and treasure, I'll take option 1.

Me too, Jeff. It makes far more sense.

And another thing, if it was shot down, what's with the "let's roll" phone call?

Did you fuckers read the article? The prosecutor was quoting Hamdan in his opening remarks.

And another thing, if it was shot down, what's with the "let's roll" phone call?

Does Patrick Daniel Tillman or Jessica Lynch ring a bell? It's the republicans idea of a good PR stunt.

Are you sure, Chair?

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

Under Bush's rules, if anyone says something negative in hearings, it was the defendant actually.

The tribunal's chief prosecutor, Col. Lawrence Morris, later explained that Stone was quoting Hamdan in evidence that will be presented at trial. Morris declined to say if the "dome" was a reference to the U.S. Capitol.

Does Patrick Daniel Tillman or Jessica Lynch ring a bell? It's the republicans idea of a good PR stunt.

Posted by Species8472

Those cases were just self-serving interpretations of actual events.... but the "let's roll" call.... in what context could that make sense absent a passenger organized counter-attack?

I wonder how many leftists are hoping for Ramdan to be acquitted?

Posted by JeffJ

I wonder how many righties are hoping for him to be convicted and murdered even if the evidence does not prove it.

I wonder how many righties are hoping for him to be convicted and murdered even if the evidence does not prove it.

Probably very few.

but the "let's roll" call.... in what context could that make sense absent a passenger organized counter-attack?

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Just because the passengers were planning to attack the hijackers does not mean the plane was not downed by the air force.

It just would be a better public relations message to not have the public believe that our own military would shoot down a plane full of cilivians.

It is what needed to be done though and if it was, I give credit to the pilot that pulled the trigger that would have had to be hard to do.

Probably very few.

Posted by JeffJ

I am not so sure.

The judge in the military trial against Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's driver

Case closed, lock him up.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

I am not so sure.

OK, more than very few. I shouldn't be disingenuous. Your rejoinder was pretty solid.

I want him to be shot. He already admitted to being Obama's driver. Anyone that is under his employ deserves to die.

Before they shoot him though, I want them to cut his junk off so his 72 virgins will remain that way.

I want them to cut his junk off so his 72 virgins will remain that way.

They'd remain that way even if his junk remained intact.

Hamdan is a queer.

Hamdan is a queer.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-07-24 09:04 AM | Reply

Frigging liberals.

I want him to be shot. He already admitted to being Obama's driver. Anyone that is under his employ deserves to die.

Posted by 101Chairborne

LOL... I thought you were getting a little too serious this early in the morning... Obama's driver.

No shit! I didn't even do that on purpose.

I didn't even do that on purpose.

Freudian slip?

It was. I would have never noticed it had HC not pointed it out.

So what do you make of the fact that the opening statement included Hamdans remarks as relayed by the Defense?
As if the lawyer defending Hamdan was in on the conspiracy...

So what do you make of...
Posted by 101Chairborne

Going back to the article, I see that it was a prosecutor who made those remarks later attributed to Hamdan:

But prosecutor Timothy Stone told the six-member jury of U.S. military officers who will decide Hamdan's guilt or innocence that Hamdan had inside knowledge of the 2001 attacks on the United States because he overheard a conversation between bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

The Chief Prosecutor later clarified the statement:

The tribunal's chief prosecutor, Col. Lawrence Morris, later explained that Stone was quoting Hamdan in evidence that will be presented at trial. Morris declined to say if the "dome" was a reference to the U.S. Capitol.

I really don't know what the point was of this article... but I guess that's why its called the "raw" story.

The point is for some loser like Bani, BuffaloBob, or TonyRoma to go on and on about conspiracies and government cover-ups. They'll use the "quote" of the opening remarks as proof and a shitload of people will take it at face value not knowing he was quoting a defendant.

It was just a poorly written article, overall. Lends itself to being misunderstood.

I wonder how many leftists are hoping for Ramdan to be acquitted?

Posted by JeffJ

I wonder how many righties are hoping for him to be convicted and murdered even if the evidence does not prove it.

Posted by 726

Hmmmm...and I was wondering how many lefties have peep pooling in their shoe over the headline .

That said, the statement attributed to Hamdan was made after the fact of 9/11... it couldn't be inside knowledge before the fact since it talks about how the plane crashed.

Accepting that, I don't understand why the statement was relevant to the prosecution.

If a low-level Al Queda operative believes the plane was shot down, that's more than good enough for the lefties on the DR.

Next up: articles about Zionists drinking children's blood in Gaza.

RiR,

I was wondering how many lefties have peep pooling in their shoe over the headline .

Posted by kerrin57

Huh?

What are you talking about? Give him a trial and if the evidence proves his guilt lock him the hell away for the rest of his life.

Some shithole in the middle of the Arizona desert without AC would be fine.

Some shithole in the middle of the Arizona desert without AC would be fine.

Tent City?

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

Posted by JeffJ

I'm hoping a Navy officer wouldn't call the Capital Building, "The dome." seems like he was quoting Hamdan.

The plane wasn't shot down... Why would all the family members talking of phone calls lie...

Also if it were hit with a missile wouldn't it have exploded thousands of feet in the air sending wreckage over a large area, not just some field?

I wonder how many leftists are hoping for Ramdan to be acquitted?

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-07-24 08:26 AM

there will be NO acquittals.. you really need to keep up!

When asked if he thought the men at Guantnamo could receive a fair trial, Col. Morris Davis, former chief prosecutor for Guantnamo's military commissions, provided the following account of an August 2005 meeting he had with Pentagon general counsel William Haynes--the man who now oversees the tribunal process for the Defense Department. "[Haynes] said these trials will be the Nuremberg of our time," recalled Davis, referring to the Nazi tribunals in 1945, considered the model of procedural rights in the prosecution of war crimes. In response, Davis said he noted that at Nuremberg there had been some acquittals, something that had lent great credibility to the proceedings.

"I said to him that if we come up short and there are some acquittals in our cases, it will at least validate the process," Davis continued. "At which point, [Haynes's] eyes got wide and he said, 'Wait a minute, we can't have acquittals. If we've been holding these guys for so long, how can we explain letting them get off? We can't have acquittals, we've got to have convictions.'"

Thank God that was all in bold... or else it would have been totally irrelevant...

Some shithole in the middle of the Arizona desert without AC would be fine.

Tent City?

Posted by crescentwindx

Baloney sandwiches three times a day.

How about bacon for breakfast; ham sandwiches for lunch and pork chops for dinner?

Also if it were hit with a missile wouldn't it have exploded thousands of feet in the air sending wreckage over a large area, not just some field?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole a

There was no wreckage in any field. Got a link to that wreckage?

Here comes the crazy...

forgot the link... sorry...

Hey bob, I posted a link for you on the UFO's messed with missiles thread.

"... Roberto Clemente..."
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

LOL... doing a Dennis Miller impersonation today?

How about bacon for breakfast; ham sandwiches for lunch and pork chops for dinner?

Posted by JeffJ

Nah, why waste expensive food on them?

Also if it were hit with a missile wouldn't it have exploded thousands of feet in the air sending wreckage over a large area, not just some field?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

The wreckage wasn't confined to a small field. In the link, make sure to read the part about the secondary and tertiary debris fields (or just take my word for it that debris was found up to 8 miles away).

"Also if it were hit with a missile wouldn't it have exploded thousands of feet in the air sending wreckage over a large area, not just some field?"

1) Some wreckage was found miles from the field.

2) It wouldn't neccesarily explode anyway. If an engine was shot out the plane wouldn't have exploded but would probably have come down. It isn't exactly like hollywood.

Thank God that was all in bold... or else it would have been totally irrelevant...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-07-24 12:46 PM

its a quote you idiot!

jeffj, no lefties are looking for acquittal; just a fair trial.

Scroll to "Aftermath"

Then watch this youtube video of an F-4 Phantom crash test to see what happens when a jet plane strikes even just a wall let alone the solid earth.

Then come back here and tell me I'm crazy and that actually PNAC, and Roberto Clemente shot down the plane.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-07-24 01:06 P

I could put the "aftermath" in my trunk. Easily planted or faked evidence. The video doesn't show anything after the impact. The dust doesn't even settle. Do you think the plane disappeared in a puff of smoke?

its a quote you idiot!

Posted by donnerboy

Learn netspeak...

Well, since #1 involves far less casualties in terms of lives and treasure, I'll take option 1.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-07-24 08:31 AM

That option should have bben carried out on the second WTC plane, and the "plane" that hit the Pentagon. Nice to know our country was in safe hands had those planes been carrying nukes. Bush had it covered from the classroom.

Then watch this youtube video of an F-4 Phantom crash test to see what happens when a jet plane strikes even just a wall let alone the solid earth.

How come no one ever points out that the debris from flight 93 is scattered up to 8 miles away from the actual primary crash site? 8 Miles! Sorry but that fact alone is enough evidence to seriously consider that the plane was shot down. Debris does not roll 8 miles through wooded and hilly terrain.

If the plane was shot down I'm fine with that, I understand why they would do it. Just come out and say it. I also understand why they would want to promote the actions of the passengers, obviously that's a good thing. I don't think saying the plane had to be shot down discounts the heroic attempt by the passengers. If it had to be done...it had to be done.

We'll most likely never know what really happened because whether or not the Government did the right or wrong thing in this (or any) situation, it can't do the honest thing and tell the truth.

Do you think the plane disappeared in a puff of smoke?

How come no one ever points out that the debris from flight 93 is scattered up to 8 miles away from the actual primary crash site? 8 Miles! Sorry but that fact alone is enough evidence to seriously consider that the plane was shot down. Debris does not roll 8 miles through wooded and hilly terrain.

It bounced.

No?

Shhhhh. Don't tell.

Learn netspeak...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-07-24 02:12 PM

learn to be a human!

learn to be a human!

Posted by donnerboy

Funny flag should be coming from everyone over the age or 14!! Nicely done.

Funny flag should be coming from everyone over the age or 14!! Nicely done.

Posted by USAmerican

Is this sarcasm?

learn to be a human!

Posted by donnerboy

Awwwww... I hurt the little marine's feelings. Sorry big guy...

If Flight 93 was shot down, the scenario probably played out like this: the interceptors closed on the target and attempted to raise the cockpit on the radio. They then were told to try visual contact to check for activity. When ignored, they received orders to bring the aircraft down, at which point they cycled to a firing solution on 93's 6'oclock and put a burst of 20mm through one of the 757's engines, resulting in either debris puncturing the pressurized cabin rendering anyone in the cockpit unconscious or destroyed the control surfaces aft of the engine. Remember: the FAA no longer requires aircraft to be designed with spin recovery capability, so once the plane inverted it's fate was sealed. An 8-mile debris field is a fair indication that Flight 93 did not come down intact.

Why isn't the flight recorder data from any of the planes involved that day available for public review? I don't think its beyond my right to know the truth about that day.

If I know John is planning to kill Jeff, legally I have no obligation to intervene nor tell the police. I am only culpable if I willingly do anything to encourage or help with the crime.

I wonder how many righties are hoping for him to be convicted and murdered

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-24 08:54 AM | Reply

Convicted criminals may be executed, but not 'murdered' you fool

And give it up about emphasizing that he was 'only' a driver. You obviously know nothing about other cultures.

You like to think that he was some hapless chaueffer. Just the guy in front of the glass.

In FOREIGN cultures a driver is also a bodyguard and one of the most trusted people in the circle of confidants.

Do you think the plane disappeared in a puff of smoke?

Fuck, bOoB, it is obvious with the data we have that aliens whisked it away and put in the Great Pyramid to replace the particle beam weapon they took out.

Geez. It's as clear as the point on your head.

Why isn't the flight recorder data from any of the planes involved that day available for public review? I don't think its beyond my right to know the truth about that day.

Posted by dutch46

Because it would totally contradict the official myth that 19 bozos and Usama bin Laden subverted the greatest air force in world history, made 3 steel buildings fall due to fire for the first time in history, and killed all those people in NYC and DC because they hate American freedom.

And that they flew directly over Indian Point, where 60 years of nuclear waste is built up, enough if containment was breached to kill 15 million and make the entire northeast unlivable for 1000s of years, no less.

Funny flag should be coming from everyone over the age or 14!! Nicely done.

Posted by USAmerican

Is this sarcasm?

Posted by Rob

Not at all. It's my way of standing up for the English language that is being raped by lazy people who never learned how to type efficiently.

If I know John is planning to kill Jeff, legally I have no obligation to intervene nor tell the police.

Posted by Moder8

Legally, I think that is called "being an accessory."

Not at all. It's my way of standing up for the English language that is being raped by lazy people who never learned how to type efficiently.

Posted by USAmerican

nobody likes a blog spell checker... just a tip for you there newb...

I'm not a spellchecker, Rob the a hole. When you can condense entire sentences down to a few letters, it is just being lazy and makes you look like you have a poor education, but then again you did come up with a user name that would suggest the same thing just in case there was any doubt.

No USAmerican. An accessory might provide the gun, or give directions to the victims house. A person who just knows, but does nothing about it is not criminally liable for anything.

Moder8,

It depends on the state, but it can also be called 'conspiring to commit' or 'being an accesory.' While some states' laws include knowledge of a criminal act beforehand illegal, some do not.

I am unaware of any State that considers mere knowledge of a crime by an uninvolved individual to be a crime in and of itself. (- with the exception of "mandatory reporters" such as psychs or school teachers).
USAmerican: If there is any penal code section in any State which you are referring to, please let me know. I will read it here, on-line. Because I think you are mistaken.

Moder8, From the Wiki entry on accessory, I submit the following (with link). Enjoy.

In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being, or will be committed. A person with such knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way, OR SIMPLY BY FAILING TO REPORT THE CRIME TO PROPER AUTHORITY. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment.

Here's some more just in case you are not a fan of Wiki:

Criminal law. Contributing to or aiding in the commission of a crime. One who, without being present at the commission of a felonious offense, becomes guilty of such offense, not as a chief actor, but as a participator, as by command, advice, instigation, or CONCEALMENT; either before or after the fact, or commission; a particeps criminis. Model Penal Code, 2.06.

SOURCE: Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

When you can condense entire sentences down to a few letters, it is just being lazy and makes you look like you have a poor education, but then again you did come up with a user name that would suggest the same thing just in case there was any doubt.

Posted by USAmerican

I'd bet good money you at most have an associates degree... elitist wannabe fuckwad...

By the way, I'm laughing my ass off at you for your information, oh my god, now we can never be best friends forever... GFYM.

Wow, Rob, you continue to degrade yourself by trying to do so to others. It's really not a good look for you. The name calling isn't too impressive, either, but at least it drives my point home.

I love how this guy has such high value information that we need to torture it from him, but the second that information doesn't follow the official government bedtime story, it's all lies.

IF YOU DON'T START TELLING ME MY VERSION OF THE TRUTH RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY IS GETTING TORTURED!

If anyone actually read this article Hamdan merely overheard a conversation AFTER the fact.

Not that it matters to the idiot brigade.