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Tuesday, July 22, 2008

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in Alabama on behalf of three ex-felons seeking restoration of their voting rights, claiming a 2003 state law is unclear on the subject.

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The ACLU is merely trying to shore up the dem base.

Guess what if your a Felon, odds are your the type that shouldn't vote. Like people on wellfare. If your on the public dime you dont get to vote. Well at least you shouldn't.

felon - ex-Felon. no diffrence to me. Time cannot change the evil you are guilty of.

However the issue is decided it should not be left up to the discretion of the voter registrar. The Legislature should clearly define if and how you can have your rights restored.
Personally, I think once you've served your sentence your rights should be restored.


felon - ex-Felon. no diffrence to me. Time cannot change the evil you are guilty of.

Posted by GotTruth


i guess old gotbullshit is the proverbial one without sin, go ahead and get that first stone

Personally, I think once you've served your sentence your rights should be restored.

Posted by danni

For the most part I agree with you... isn't that the point of the prison system? You commit a crime, you serve your sentence and then you are free...

Although, like with the death penalty there are certain crimes I won't stand up for... i think we should tell Sex Offenders they can vote, but when they step into the booth and pull the lever a sharp stick jabs them in the crotch...

What about people who've acknowledged committing felonious acts? Should they be barred from the political process? How about crack cocaine drug dealer and seller Obama? Should delegations be barred by law from casting votes for him? Should he be eligible to hold office?

I agree kind of with Danni. Isn't prison supposed to be about punishment AND rehabilitation?

...and FF for ROB (except, what about the female sex offenders?)

Posted by GotTruth at 2008-07-22 12:08 PM

felon - ex-Felon. no diffrence to me. Time cannot change the evil you are guilty of.

Is it being a bad guy or a formal conviction that should be a bar to voting? Evil is evil. Right GotTruth?

What are the political affiliations - if any - of felons, while incarcerated and of ex-cons?

I can speculate, but I'm not aware of any data.

except, what about the female sex offenders?)

The problem here is that you'd need facial recognition and a scale in the voting booth... the facial recognition would need to detect what passes for beauty, and the scale to detect fatties...

If ugly and/or fat, jab away... if hot and skinny vote away sweetheart... vote away.

"Personally, I think once you've served your sentence your rights should be restored."

Yes, each and every time you have served your sentence...regardless of your crime, victims be damned.

KBM not all felonies even involve a victim.

Only non-violente offenders whould have their voting rights restored, but after a certain amount of time they come out of jail, five maybe ten years, and provided that in that in that time they are absolutely clean, I am talking, not even a ticket for jaywaliking, not even returning library books late.

I think anyone that has ever broken the law should be barred from voting. Every car should have it's speedometer monitored for speeding... speed and you lose your right to vote. Parking ticket... no vote.

Hell the very fact that you willfully and blatantly violate the law should cost your rights.

I wonder how many votes can be stripped away under public decency statutes at a sporting event?

"I think anyone that has ever broken the law should be barred from voting. Every car should have it's speedometer monitored for speeding... speed and you lose your right to vote. Parking ticket... no vote."

Yes, and there should be a montly government inspection of your bedroom to see if you removed the tab from the mattres! Send that scum to Gtmo!

How many of us know people who committed felonies but were able to afford a really good lawyer and got off???
I know of one young man who committed date rape after drugging the girl with Ruphinol (I really can't remember how to spell it). His parents then set him up in another city where he finished college after which he recieved a brand new Corvette.
A poor kid committing a similar crime would still be serving time.
It's a little off topic but justice is a commodity which some can afford and some can't.

"Time cannot change the evil you are guilty of.

Posted by GotTruth"

Kinda puts a damper on the whole Christianity thing, don't it?

Kinda puts a damper on the whole Christianity thing, don't it?

Posted by Jomama

Christians only practice what they preach when it is convenient.

I wonder what about some guy that got caught with a joint, not in claifornia but in one of the draconian states (say like alabama - my home) where you are treated basically the same as a sex offender or a murderer, because you were caught with a 'controlled substance'. Take that same guy and he gets caught in california and he gets a fine. In one state he is a felon and in the other he is nothing.

Do you strip his voting rights or not?

"Do you strip his voting rights or not?"

Depends on your political agenda. Pot has been used to marginalize people for a long time now, does anyone honestly still believe the government is really just trying to protect us from ourselves???
GEt a clue if you do.

So-you right-wingers would PERMENANTLY strip a felon of his "Constitutional right" to vote, I get that-I think...Evil is Evil, and all that....What about stripping felons of the "Constitutional right" to own a gun?

please show me where the Constitution says we have the "Right" to vote?

You got to be kidding...you guys actually WANT felons to VOTE?!?

What - Obama needs the "convicted murderer" segment of the population to put him over the top?

Do you really have no standards at all?

Voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.

Yes, our Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person's race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments, but those protections are like a house with no foundation. States and other governments can and do disenfranchise individuals and groups of citizens, and so long as they do it without provable bias, it's entirely legal.

Those inalienable rights aren't so inalienable after all it seems.

Part of the problem is that society doesn't have a plan for returning felons to normal status, and many resort to old ways when new options are not available. This always seem to surprise conservatives. Is the idea to punish or rehabilitate? If it is to punish, let's put them on TV--beat the fuck out of them--kill them and bury them--all in one two hour special. That's better than turning them loose on society with no way of being accepted as an equal citizen.

It seems that some of the same folks who loudly proclaim that "America is a Christian nation" are unwilling to forgive felons after they have served their sentences. Hey, It's no big deal to me but it just shows the mean spirtedness some folks feel a need to exhibit. Don't worry, all the felons won't gang up and elect a criminal, he can't serve another term anyway, he leaves office in Jan.

what do you mean, they wont gang up, how the hell do you think obama will get elected? sure as hell not by people with any common sense. thats for sure, to many stupid people in this country to vote for that fool! you think bush is bad, just wait till that loser gets elected.

Yes, and there should be a montly government inspection of your bedroom to see if you removed the tab from the mattres!

I tore that fucker off as soon as the mattress was delivered.

When it is illegal to own tag free mattresses, only criminals will own tag free mattresses.

Danni,

Christian Values of foregiveness are reserved only for Christians who have been caught in a motel room with a gay prostitute doing meth.

Or only for blathering pie holes hooked on hillbilly heroin. Then they are "sick" where before they were caught on the crank all drug abusers were scum that needed to be locked away.

Surely you don't mean that without the ACLU's help Rush Limbaugh would not now be allowed to vote.
That would be so wrong.

Convicted felons, by definition, are "removed from society"

They should not be allowed to vote.

After they have served their sentence, they are part of society again, at that time they should be allowed to vote.

I think the point of sentencing guidelines is, the sentence is given to match the crime. Once the sentence has been served, the felon has paid the penalty in full ,as was defined by the sentencing laws.......

so at that point they should be considered a regular equal member of society with a clean slate.

Herein lies the problem with sex offenders. In the case of a sex offender we are not at the point yet where we have developed the proper penalty phase or penalty process where afterwords the offender can be considered at a point where they are equal, with a clean slate.
Sure, we can give a lot of jail time, but I think most people cannot look at a released sex offender as if they have settled up and are fit to have another shot. I can't.

Danni,

You and rest constantly confuse "Christian" Values with political values.

Do Christians forgive personal behavior issues - absolutely...but we also accept that there are consequences to any action - both positive and negative and the Christian accepts both.

If I break the law - I expect to be punished. If that means I lose the right to vote ..so be it.

As a Christian I accept the personal responsiblity..I also know that I am forgiven by those around me and God incarnate.

But that still does not mean I expect to have the right to vote.

Forgiveness is a personal issue - the right to vote is a governmental issue. We know the difference.

sure as hell not by people with any common sense


Riiiiight!
Since, as we all know-they all voted for the deserter-in-chief last time!

"Do Christians forgive personal behavior issues - absolutely..."

You say you do, I don't necessarily believe it though.

If you don't pay income taxes, you should not be able to vote.

yeah that would be representation without taxation.
fuck that shit.

""Voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.""

"The Right to Vote
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1870)

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
Nineteenth Amendment (1920)

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election . . . shall not be denied or abridged . . . by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964)

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.
Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971)""

In that it specifically refers to "the right of citizens of the United States to vote" then it is indeed a right not a privelege.

"I agree it's a right, DANNI. It is not an absolute right for all adult citizens, since I don't think that felons are allowed to vote in some states. And that's even after they've served their sentence."

VEry much like the 2nd amendment.
Oohrah, that is a long sentence, I would appreciate a translation actually.

Guess what if your a Felon, odds are your the type that shouldn't vote. Like people on wellfare. If your on the public dime you dont get to vote. Well at least you shouldn't.

Posted by GotTruth

For someone with as big a mouth as you and as full of shit, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either. You are so cock sure your bull shit is truth you can't see how badly fucked up you are.

There is no traitor liberals won't defend.


Personally, I think once you've served your sentence your rights should be restored.


Posted by danni


Shoring up the Dem base .... kinda like rounding up derelicts and bussing them to polling stations with promises of whiskey and cigarettes. Once again, it's all about bringing out the 'forgotten' voters.


just be sure to suppress those military ballots from overseas. They tend to go the other way.

Don't worry, all the felons won't gang up and elect a criminal,

Posted by danni at 2008-07-22 03:15 PM | Reply

Sorry Danni, but Bill Clinton (THE CONVICTED FELON) has been out of office for years

ACLU lawyers are queers without anything to shove up their san fransuckso asses

Because Danni is such an idiot, ill provide some information. for the uneducated idiots.

the 2000 Bush v. Gore case stated citizens have no federal right to vote.

You might find it interesting to know what our founding fathers thought of the idea of a democracy. There's an incredible book out there titled "Founding Brothers:
The Revolutionary Generation. Here's your link (
www.amazon.com)
if you might like to get a copy. The author, historian Joseph Ellis, tells us at the very beginning of this book just what our founding fathers thought of the idea
of democracy. Here's what they thought of democrats:

"... the term "democrat" originated as an epithet and referred to 'one who
panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.'"

I know ... it truly is amazing how that phrase pretty much describes the Democrats of the day. For the most part the oratory of both
Obama and Hillary have been little more than examples of pandering "to the crude and mindless whims of the masses."

So .. why have our government schools been so anxious to spread the "democracy" lie? Because the more people believe that crap the stronger government becomes.
If the dumb masses can be convinced that, since we are a democracy, the government should be able to do whatever the political class convinces the majority of
Americans it should do ... then we have stronger politicians and weaker protections for our rights.

Let's make our first stop at Wikipedia. We'll make two stops. First, the entry for "Voting rights in the United States
(en.wikipedia.org)." There you will find the following sentence:

There is no "right to vote" explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution, but only that they cannot be denied based solely on the aforementioned qualifications,
however, the "right to vote" may be denied for any other reason (i.e. being convicted of a felony).

Next stop .. .the Wikipedia entry for "Sufferage." A subsection of this entry covers the history of suffrage (the vote) in the United States. Here you go:

In the United States, suffrage is determined by the separate states, not federally. There is no national "right to vote". The states and the people have
changed the U.S. Constitution five times to disallow states from limiting suffrage, thereby expanding it.

In the United States, suffrage is determined by the separate states, not federally. There is no national "right to vote". The states and the people have changed
the U.S. Constitution five times to disallow states from limiting suffrage, thereby expanding it.

* 15th Amendment (1870): no law may restrict any race from voting
* 19th Amendment (1920): no law may restrict any sex from voting
* 23rd Amendment (1961): residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice-President
* 24th Amendment (1964): neither Congress nor the states may condition the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other type of tax
* 26th Amendment (1971): no law may restrict those 18 years of age or older from voting because of their age

Moving right along now, here's an article written by Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. entitled "The Right to Vote." Jackson writes: "And yet the right to vote is not
a fundamental right in our Constitution." I guess that you folks who have been sending in those emails are right, and the Congressman is wrong ... right? Jackson
has introduced a voting rights amendment in the congress. Now just why would he need to do that if the right already existed?

I'm not through with you yet. Let's go to Michael C. Dorf. Dorf is the Vice Dean and professor of law at Columbia University. Dorf wrote this article entitled
"We Need A Constitutional Right to Vote in Presidential Elections (
writ.news.findlaw.com)." Tell me, would a law professor write a column
calling for a constitutional right to vote if we already had one?

Final stop ... the complete text of the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of George W. Bush, et al., Petitioners v. Albert Gore,
Jr., et al (www.law.cornell.edu). Take a look at Section II, Paragraph B. The very first sentence there reads: "The individual
citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide
election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U.S. Const., Art.II, 1."

Enough? I would certainly hope so. So you clowns out there keep sending all of those emails telling me what an idiot I am for saying that there is no constitutional
right to vote in a federal election. Read the sources I've presented to you above ... and send me another email.

Some would say that intelligence can be measured by your ability to recognize that you're wrong on an issue. Many times in my 38-year talk radio career I've had
to admit that I got something wrong. I hope I never grow too old to learn. Some of you are already there.

By the way ... why is this issue so important to me? Well .... Look what these damned voters are doing to the greatest experiment in governance in the history of
the world! Once we have accepted the truth that they don't have a constitution right to vote then we can set about the task of getting some of these dumb masses
out of our voting booths. Think about it ... we offer parasites the opportunity to register to vote when they sign up for welfare! What the hell kind of sense does
that make?

The hell with the idea of pandering to the poor, poor pitiful poor. We didn't put them there. They did it to themselves .. .and I damned sure don't want them
making decisions that can affect the way I live my life .. and how much of the money that I earn I can keep. If we must, we'll take care of them and make sure
they don't starve, get basic medical care, and have a place to go when it rains or gets cold. Fine. That's nothing we wouldn't do for stray animals .. .but they
sure don't need to be voting.

Thanks to boortz for the information.

Some stupid 19 year old kid who experiments with drugs in college shouldn't have his voting rights removed for the rest of his life.

The sentence is the punishment, not the stigma to follow you around for life...

Sorry, Gustogus, but accountability for actions is the key, and sorry, but if you get caught and convicted, currently thats the price you pay for play. if you want to be an adult, you must suffer the adult price if you get caught. simple truth! things we do follow us around all our life, are you just that stupid!

Some stupid 19 year old kid who experiments with drugs in college shouldn't have his voting rights removed for the rest of his life.

He wouldn't. Experimenting with drugs is not a felony.

KC101 is absolutely correct.

Stupid people like the ACLU always think they have the answer when they do not even know where to find the answer. It would be best if we all re-read the references KC101 gave us and concentrate on real issues instead of pandering those too damned STUPID to even understand when the alarm clock went off.


Thanks KC101. It is really time we demanded responsibility instead of excuses for the stupidity of being stupid.

You see, stupid is as stupid does. What we really need is a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting STUPID!!!!!

Thanks again KC

He wouldn't. Experimenting with drugs is not a felony.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-23 07:49 AM


Class C felony for possession of anything other then Marijuana in Alabama.

www.usouthal.edu

And Goat, I read the article, I know it defines certain "real crimes", my objection is the same one as the ACLU, it also leaves the decision upto the decision of the registrar to go beyond that list.

So perhaps noone here thinks some 19 year old kid who gets caught with a couple of blotters of acid should give up his eternal voting rights, some registrar in bumfuck bama may...

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