Never in my life (or the history books) has one Administration been so corrupt, done so much harm, privatized and sold off our assets, eliminated most federal rules and regulations solely for their own profit, lied us into a never ending war, and torn our country apart than what has been done to us by those in this Bush Administration. Seriously, if members of this Administration go unpunished then where will the corruption bar be set for the next President and all those to follow?

The term "kakistocracy" springs to mind whenever I think of this sorry excuse for a government. These bastards have looted our country, financially and morally.

"Uh, we are, uh, sorry about the, uh, Bush Presidency thingy. We just wanted someone to have a, uh, beer with....uh, well, America, again, sorry." - Bush Voters

She added, "the Republicans should hold a press conference and apologize to the country and say they're just not going to run anyone for president."

...........that's what they are doing.............

that's what they are doing.............

Posted by skizziks

Maybe they should let 50% of likely voters who are still planning to vote for McCain?

While she's at it Sen. Clinton should chastize the PUMA folks who are trying to collect money with the hopes of turning the Dem. Convention on its head.

Being a critic herself, shouldn't she get her husband to apologize for NAFTA?

Yeah! Then she should get Bubba to apologize for the 22 million new jobs and the budget surplus.

I think that parrot has been shitting on your shoulder a little too long.

Maybe we should demand that they ALL "apologize" the way the Japanese used to have to "apologize" to their Emperor? Sounds like a good time could be had by all.
The Networks could broadcast it live-and it'd take several weeks to get through all suicides......Big money advertisers, lots of Sponsorships, maybe even "prizes", for style, acting calmly, and so forth.
Do this just before the next election-and we'd have to replace ALL of them at once.

Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

I knew that would get Corky going.

TownNCountry are you planning to commit some dastardly deed and laying the grounds for an insanity defense?

I hear they are ready to apologize right after Pelosi & Co. do for their ineptitude.

Pub's could apologize, but I still wouldn't beleive them

Johnson can deny the 35 counts with as many generalities as he (?) can muster. I'm sure that if he can think of anything more specific he'll say so. herm

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders.

If you liberals don't like it do something about it.

Oh,i forgot the liberal congress did something about it.

Not.

They are just as culpable as anyone.

Talk about hypocrosy

Keep wishing T+C

Executive Orders are controversial because they allow the President to make major decisions, even law, without the consent of Congress. This, of course, runs against the general logic of the Constitution -- that no one should have power to act unilaterally. Nevertheless, Congress often gives the President considerable leeway in implementing and administering federal law and programs. Sometimes, Congress cannot agree exactly how to implement a law or program. In effect, this leaves the decision to the federal agencies involved and the President that stands at their head. When Congress fails to spell out in detail how a law is to be executed, it leaves the door open for the President to provide those details in the form of Executive Orders.

Apologize to America? How about apologize to the world?

Apologize to America? How about apologize to the world?

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-14 09:58 PM | Reply |

why?

rwd

why?

rwd

why not? oh, nevermind...Deathstar is doing quite well in Iraq

why?

Engaging in international terrorism, among other reasons.

"Less than two weeks after 9/11, President George W. Bush and Secretary of the Treasury Paul ONeill held a joint press conference to announce that the war on terror would not only target terrorist groups, but also those who fund terrorism. Bush declared, If you do business with terrorists, if you support or sponsor them, you will not do business with the United States of America.-- ONeill followed Bush to the podium and announced, We will succeed in starving the terrorists of funding and shutting down the institutions that support or facilitate terrorism.-- And yet, despite these grandiose declarations, Cincinnati-based Chiquita Brands International evidently will not be shut down and will continue to do business in the United States despite pleading guilty last week to providing more than $1.7 million in funding over seven years to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), a right-wing group on the US State Departments list of foreign terrorist organizations."

Apologize and then commit hari kari.
Them and the fools who voted for them.

Well, uh, thanks for the sound bite and the giggle, Hill, but you're overlooking the real culprit du jour, Chancy Nancy Pelosi.

Because that vile woman will not allow impeachment proceedings to get anywhere, America's going into mass despondency. We - for the sake of our stock markets, financial markets, prestige abroad, and national psyche - need some accountability for the excesses, incompetencies and failures of the past seven-and-a-half years. Because of That Thing That Calls Itself Madam Speaker, it's looking more and more like we ain't a-gonna get it.

If Hill wants to put some motion in the ocean, she'd be well advised to start acting like the leader she says she is and go mano-a-manicured-mano with Madam Thang, taking Nancy on and getting the job the hell done. Getting Dennis Kucinich's articles of impeachment dragged out of the gulag of committee and put on the table would do this country more good than almost anything else I can think of.

C'mon, Auntie Hill. We need a little Christmas.

Cheney used The World Bank to extort a power project for Enron, taking time out from his responsibilities as CEO of Haliburton to do it.

After paying the appropriate bribes, the project was doubled in size and electric rates were quadrupled.

When local people rioted against the project, they were shot dead, including women and children.

A decent person would apologize. Don't hold your breath.

Posted by herm at 2008-07-14 09:52 PM

Johnson can deny the 35 counts with as many generalities as he (?) can muster. I'm sure that if he can think of anything more specific he'll say so. herm

Are there any of these "counts" that would justify impeachment? I can't imagine that a single one that could be supported. Aside from that, the political climate would mitigate against it. But since those who advance such inane proposals inhabit la-la land, reality is of no consequence. So, let them rave on like lunatics in an asylum.

IMPEACH NOW! Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, Wolfie; the whole lot brought before American Courts and then turned over the Hague.

And while we're at it, their apologists can go as well. Collusion is still a serious crime.

Collusion is still a serious crime.

Posted by briwo at 2008-07-14 11:03 PM

So include the entire Congress, the Clintons, Gore, the UN, the ME, the MSM--everyone except for maybe Dennis Kukucinich.

Where are the high crimes and misdemenors?

Hmmmm--never mind..

And we are not the biggest polluter--far from it.

But that little detail is easily overlooked by the Clintons.

Sooooo glad she lost..

In stead of just being required to apologize, they should be held accountable for the trillion plus dollars that both have been spent and will need to be spent in the future.

Then there is the truth.

They will take no blame for what this almost 8 year debacle has wrought. As for any acceptance of any wrong doing that requires any apology, not even in our dreams.

"Aside from that, the political climate would mitigate against it."

The word you want is militate, but I'll let that pass for the moment, because there's something I desperately want to ask you:

What fucking planet do you live on, that you think the political climate would not support impeachment proceedings against Chimpy and Company? If we were finally to see some justice done where DubyaCo was concerned, I'm thinking we'd soon see the Dow at 13,000, beer flowing in the streets, ticker-tape parades for Dennis Kucinich, a run on fireworks, thousands of church choirs singing the Hallelujah Chorus, and paraplegics break-dancing for sheer joy.

I'm serious. This country is nothing short of beaten down by two Bush administrations. Give us a sign that we're going to get our Constitution and a little due process back, and it would be like the Second Coming, from sea to shining sea.

Nulli,

Maybe the democrats and Clinton in particular can apologize........

Clinton has plenty to apologize for, to be sure. Not that this is quite as serious as funding rightwing terrorists.

Apologize to America? How about apologize to the world?

~726

why?

~rightwingdick

War Crimes, fer one.

Use of depleted uranium munitions in Iraq.

Use of White Phosphorus munitions in Iraq.

Kidnapping and torture of foreign nationals at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and black sites around the world.

Any other stupid questions?

Be Well.

Apologize? HA!

I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!

When that happens, we'll talk.

Why should Carter apologize?

He didn't create the debt from Vietnam.

He didn't control oil embargos.

He didn't control the fed.

Get a life.

wow, you don't understand cause and effect at all.

sucks to be you.

Hillary is having fun talking about serious politics in a joking way, but she is going to be great when November comes near, she will be spitting fire.

A Clinton telling us that the GOP should apologize is one of those things you laugh at and wave off. How many people associated with the Clintons were indicted and convicted? Wasn't Bill Clinton impeached and disbarred?

The Clinton administration was THE most corrupt and despicable administration ever. Hell, during the past primary season you Kool-Aid drinking Obama supporters were saying the same things. Have you forgotten so quickly?

Try reading the document, understand it, and then fill these pages with this B.S. Sorry, those guys only did their job the best they could, badly at times, but you would have been in their sh-t if everything had been done right, after all, he talks kind of funny!

Simply because your next door neighbor saw a loop-hole in the realty laws and started making assinine loans, lining his pockets, causing the sh-t to hit the fan isn't valid reason for this garbage.

The congressman pushing this hatchet job, appears to be the same one who was in charge when the Cincinatti river caught fire a few years back. Valuable part of a resume. The other one is exceptionally important in his own mind, but seems not to understand Executive Priveledge, along with some who are writing here. Then you have the one in Florida, who is Chief Tester for the new DIE-HARD batteries bunny spot.

We are on the down hill side of a truck without brakes and have no clue, yet, how to get out of the way. If our beloved Brokerage houses keep up their work, there won't be a United States. They started out to embarass this president, and are ending up trashing the economy, both here and around the world. If the money markets go away, everything else follows, our pensions, jobs, hopes and dreams, everything (possible exception is our computers).

The current run on Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae is a prime example. These Agencies are very sound, or were, right up until the rumors started. From $47 to $6 in three easy steps and, for some reason now their NOT solvent, wow hard to understand, could it be the loss of that much equity, literally over night? Another real estate deal gone bad, but this one will take us all with it, if it's allowed to actually happen! DID I HEAR 1937, again!

Blame it on whoever you want, say whatever you want, the brokers will not be stopped until everything they touch is turned to sh-t! OH hell, lets impeach everyone, who cares, Democrat or Republican they're all screwed up anyway! This way, we'll be sure to get at least one of the a--holes responsible, let's GO GET 'UM!

This tells us everything we need to know about ETHICS in our Masters Programs in our Schools of Business! No classes taught here!

There are three branches of government, one to lead, one to pay for the leading, and one to say whether the leading was done right. The last one is doing the other twos' job currently, which is not supposed to behappening, but when the one paying the bills is screwed up beyond belief, the othe two have to step up.

Well, uh, thanks for the sound bite and the giggle, Hill, but you're overlooking the real culprit du jour, Chancy Nancy Pelosi.

Because that vile woman will not allow impeachment proceedings to get anywhere, America's going into mass despondency. We - for the sake of our stock markets, financial markets, prestige abroad, and national psyche - need some accountability for the excesses, incompetencies and failures of the past seven-and-a-half years. Because of That Thing That Calls Itself Madam Speaker, it's looking more and more like we ain't a-gonna get it.

If Hill wants to put some motion in the ocean, she'd be well advised to start acting like the leader she says she is and go mano-a-manicured-mano with Madam Thang, taking Nancy on and getting the job the hell done. Getting Dennis Kucinich's articles of impeachment dragged out of the gulag of committee and put on the table would do this country more good than almost anything else I can think of.

C'mon, Auntie Hill. We need a little Christmas.

Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Hell, I would probably surport her for President at the convention personally ~ if I could ~ if she did that!

"I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!

When that happens, we'll talk."

i fail to see the using the failings of another party's president to those of one's own as an excuse.
since carter made mistakes, bush can?
since reagan lied, clinton can? bush can? bullshit.

it's gotta stop sometime.. to hold the feet to the fire.. and with this administration, that is literally possible... but it's gotta stop.

carry your logic thru... if obama gets in, the dems are going to say that since bush lied and used executive powers to screw things up, obama can too?
that's insultingly stupid logic.
onward to another fiasco.
w isn't the first to lie, of course... but he may be the best.

only when our media does its job and people demand answers, force those in positions of power to take responsibility for their actions, look out for our well being and not the corporations... meanwhile, back on planet earth.

all the best.

I didn't see the Clintons apologizing to America at the death of Vince Foster and for the way the McDougals went through hell.

Had Obama not offered to help pay the debt of Hillary, she might have called on him to apologize for standing in the way of a Female President.

I wonder why the Clintons are showing so much bitterness and getting so personal with Bush and Cheney.

Get some sleep and a long vacation.

"I didn't see the Clintons apologizing to America at the death of Vince Foster and for the way the McDougals went through hell."

Yeah man, the last 8 years and the next 8 or 10 years, or even longer, that it takes to half assed fix their fuck-ups have been, and will be, almost as bad as some guy getting offed, if that's even what happened to him.

Wow. That image sure brings the point home.

"I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!"

this is probably posted by one of these assholes who worries that the federal government MIGHT help some of those stuck with variable interest rates now. Blaming Carter for Nixon's inflation is like blaming President Obama for the corruption, incompetence and deceit of Bush.
Go chug a few more quarts of Kool Aide moron.

AMERICADICKHEAD: "Wow. That image brings the point home" Here is another point, (not refering to your head).

What did FAT ASS and her sexually perverted husband do to rdeuce pollution. NOTHING! There wasn't any financial gain for the Clintons to do anything.

DANNI: "President Obama". Sorry, FLOP EARS hasn't been elected yet. We still have time before (if elected) he screws up the country.

"I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!"

You signed it, he didn't.

Last mortgage I had was in '71.

There sure was financial incentive for Bush and Cheney to write and execute our energy policy in secret.

Proof is at the pump.

Hey, check out the "Bush gave Taliban $43 million in May 2001" thread. Now THERE's your moron!!

Birds of a feather flock together.

You right wing morons shit all over the country though while you fly in circles.

Oh, and OZZIE

You and OZZIE Osborne both must have taken WAY too many drugs.

why?

rwd

Posted by rightwingdon

Are you serious?

Have you been asleep for the past seven years?

I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!

When that happens, we'll talk.

Posted by Mato

Because we all know that Jimmy Carter held a gun to your head and forced you to sign the loan.

AMERICANDICKHEAD: "PROOF AT THE PUMP" In 2006 when Stretch Polosi and Dirt Harry took over congress I went to the pump and paid $2.28 for a gallon of gas. They have made great progress since then. $3.98 for gas.

726: HOW YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES CAN DEFEND THE CARTER ADMINISTRATION ONLY INDICATES THAT YOU ARE THE MORONS.

Oh, and OZZIE

You and OZZIE Osborne both must have taken WAY too many drugs.

726: HOW YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES CAN DEFEND THE CARTER ADMINISTRATION ONLY INDICATES THAT YOU ARE THE MORONS.

Posted by ozzieoswald

Dumbshit flag.

Here's some stuff you could spend $600 billion on....
You could invade Iraq but then you'd spend $??? billions getting out.
You could buy two Microsofts or three Googles.
You could equip every house in America with solar cells.
You could build solar-concentrating power plants producing 100 gigawatts of electricity, enough for 40 million houses.
You could build 50 new nuclear power plants.
You could fund desalinization r&d and build water pipelines to grainbelt states to replenish rapidly disappearing aquifers, maybe even before desertification due to climate change spreads north from Mexico, where it is currently a reality. (Yes, they'd have to be really big pipes.)
You could fund enough r&d in energy conversion and storage to make our current energy problems more like footnotes than headlines.
You could pay the interest on the national debt for a year and a half.
You could have held the explosion in the national debt under George W. Bush's command to a 50% increase instead of the actual (so far) 57% increase.
You could give every voter in Venezuela $45,000 to vote for someone other than Hugo.
You could give Israel its annual $6B gift every year for the next 100 years.
You could fund 600 new medical schools (which would work wonders for medical costs.)
You could attack the subprime/housing problem.
$600 Billion wouldn't solve the subprime mess but in constant dollars it's three times what George Bush, Sr. had to work with in 1989 when he gave 1000 banks & S&Ls $125 billion to keep them and therefore the economy from crashing. Who knows exactly how many of those bankers were George, Sr.'s good buddies? It's clear large chunks of the current $600 disappeared-down-the-Iraqi-
rathole billions ACTUALLY WENT TO PALS OF DICK AND GEORGE AND KARL VIA NO-BID CONTRACTS.
Was getting rid of Saddam really just cover for one of the biggest heists in human history? Was it worth the lives of several thousand American military personnel or destabilizing the world's most productive oil region or dispatching Iran's main enemy or giving al-qaeda a fertile field in which to recruit or nearly quintupling the price of oil?
George Bush has wrecked the dollar, gutted environmental controls and done grave damage to America's credibility with the rest of the world. History will record that George W. Bush was the last president with any chance of stopping global warming. And that's just for starters. If you have all day....
The bottom line is, we desperately need a new system for identifying and selecting presidential candidates. The current system isn't working worth a

"Posted by ozzieoswald

Dumbshit flag."

Is there a way to just put that on "auto flag"?

Just in case the Republicans ever do want to apologize, I think they should know it won't be accepted. They are responsible for the near bankruptcy of our country and thousands of deaths.
The party of death can not be forgiven ever.

I don't disagree that the American public is owed an apology but I wouldn't limit the guilty ot the GOP.

I do disagree with someone who voted with the GOP almost every step of the way for the last eight years making these comments. She's one of the guilty.

Just in case the Republicans ever do want to apologize, I think they should know it won't be accepted. They are responsible for the near bankruptcy of our country and thousands of deaths.
The party of death can not be forgiven ever.

Posted by danni

quarter to nine in the morning and you're already angry.

-I do disagree with someone who voted with the GOP almost every step of the way for the last eight years making these comments. She's one of the guilty.

Where's that Delusional Flag?

**** Are there any of these "counts" that would justify impeachment? Posted by Johnson ******

......why are you defending these criminals.?......

......there is no "executive branch immunity" for murder.......

......whether it was 200,000 or 600,000, including Americans and Iraqis...it was unjustifiable murder.....

......the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague was right to go after the Sudenese leader.........

.......and they will also be right when they charge Bush and company.......

"Where's that Delusional Flag?"

Why don't you just convince yourself that one of the other flags is the delusional flag much the same way you've convinced yourself that Hillary's voting record is something other than it is?

Nine thirty, and th Asian and European markets are tumbling. Thanks to 7 /2 years of GWB and Dick Cheney. Let's hope we don't have another 1929-style crash this year. Just like Herbert Hoover, a guy MUCH MUCH smarter than either Dubya or Cheney, this WH is saying everything is perfect. The market forces are working perfectly! Right! We wish!

"quarter to nine in the morning and you're already angry."

Excuse me????
Anyone who isn't angry about what has occurred in America under Bush and the Republicans is either crazy or uninformed. Which is your excuse Fredo???

Her voting record is 90-something percent Liberal, the 11th most so in the Senate.

Just like GW, eh?

Gee, I guess those other 30-something Dem Senators are going to be surprised how right-wing they are, according to the delusional.

TO DANNI AND SANOBAMA. The only thing we conservatives have to apologize for is communicating to you liberal ASSHOLES. If we had more sense we would ignor you EGNORAMUSES.

OZZIE

Why don't you and the rest of you Moonies move to Paraguay where you can fuck up a country I don't live in?

"If we had more sense we would ignor you EGNORAMUSES. Posted by oozieoswald"

I don't have any problem with that approach, Oozie ("I graduated near the top of my class")

EGNORAMUSES????

I'm not a spelling Nazi but puhleeeeeez!!!

Excuse me????
Anyone who isn't angry about what has occurred in America under Bush and the Republicans is either crazy or uninformed. Which is your excuse Fredo???

Posted by danni

Hey Danni, seems like what you consider your "being informed" is really just your succumbing to some wierd paranoial anxiety complex.
I want you to do ten Hail Obammy's - and then go find a nice hot rug to munch. You'll feel better. I know I always do. (I mean the rug munching part)

"Gee, I guess those other 30-something Dem Senators are going to be surprised how right-wing they are, according to the delusional."

They know they work hand in hand with the GOP to screw us.

There is no such thing as "right-wing" the way you are using the word. The parties are practically the same.

You live in a fantasy world.

When Fredo is intellectually incapable of an intelligent reply he attempts to substitute inuendo about sexual orientation....like most idiots do.
Laughably pathetic.

-someone who voted with the GOP almost every step of the way for the last eight years

Oh, I see. In SullyLand, since she is one of the least likely of all Dem Sens to vote with the GOP, she should be singled out as having..... voted with the GOP.

Did I mention delusional?

"Oh, I see. In SullyLand, since she is one of the least likely of all Dem Sens to vote with the GOP, she should be singled out as having..... voted with the GOP"

On the important issues, in America, she voted with the GOP. Get it? The stuff the GOP should apologize for was fully supported by Hillary Clinton every step of the way.

Willful ignorance is not the assett you seem to believe it is.

SANOBAMA: "I graduated in the top of my class". At least it was not from Berkeley. Where the bomb throwing, rock throwing at police officers and spitting on service people hide. Give me MO!

-On the important issues, in America, she voted with the GOP. Get it? The stuff the GOP should apologize for was fully supported by Hillary Clinton every step of the way.

Well, I was only kidding with the delusional comment.... now you have to go and prove it true.

You must mean like FISA? Or like the central policies of the GOP, all or 90 percent of which she voted against over the past 8 years?

Or is it that you are still so stuck on the Iraq vote that most Sens, 70 percent of America, and 90 percent of NY wanted?

Or, since the there is no difference in the 2 parties, according to you, one supposes you may just as well be voting GOP?

Now, that's delusional. And comic.

Would you care for a shovel, btw?

AMERICANUNITY (AMERICANDIPSHIT)

"Go to Paraguay where you can fuck up a country"

YOU ASSHOLE LIB DID A GOOD JOB ON THIS COUNTRY BACK IN THE 60S AND 70S. I guess if FLOP EARS gets elected you will try again.

Bad Bush economics -- trillions of dollars in accumulated deficits since Jan 2001; no new job growth, higher unemployment; popped housing bubble; failure of IDY FRE FNM (and perhaps others (WM WB NCC C later this summer?); dollar's collapse to 50% of its buying power vs. the Euro; quadrippling of the price of crude oil; tripling of the price of gasoline and diesel fuel; exorbitant heating and utilities costs; highest level of mortgage foreclosures in history?

Bushonomics = voodoo economics?

Cheney energy policy = voodoo energy policy?

Hey, if Cheney believes conservation is "a personal virtue", I guess he figures that sound national economic policy is also "a personal virtue", too?

YOU ASSHOLE LIB DID A GOOD JOB ON THIS COUNTRY BACK IN THE 60S AND 70S. I guess if FLOP EARS gets elected you will try again.

Posted by ozzieoswald

Learn to WRITE AND SPEAK ENGLISH CORRECTLY PLEASE!

As you know, speaking a second language is UN-AMERICAN!!!!!

"Or is it that you are still so stuck on the Iraq vote that most Sens, 70 percent of America, and 90 percent of NY wanted?"

Still stuck on Iraq? Did we pull out and it didn't make the news?

Or are we still losing lives and about a billion a day? Yes, quite a few people are still stuck on Iraq. Not everyone is such a standardless shill that they would brush off a war that is still going on because the subject makes their idol look bad.

And by the way, WHY Hillary voted multiple times in favor of Bush's disaster in Iraq doesn't matter. She did it and she's either accountable or not (I know where you stand on accountability, don't worry).

"Or, since the there is no difference in the 2 parties, according to you, one supposes you may just as well be voting GOP?"

This comment proves just how brainwashed you are. I said both parties suck and you still assume that I'm going to vote for one of the other. It truely doesn't occur to you that people don't HAVE to vote for members of corrupt organizations that have been screwing us for decades.

No Corky, you empty headed fool, I won't be voting for either.

Having forsaken his original nonsense about, "someone who voted with the GOP almost every step of the way for the last eight years", the intrepid Sully now shifts to ad hominem and Fantasy POTUS, where he is more comfortable if not more informed.

So, who are you voting for? Nader? Barr? McKinney? Madonna? Mickey Mouse? Rogers Cadenhead?

All of whom have about the same chance of becoming the next POTUS.

When Fredo is intellectually incapable of an intelligent reply he attempts to substitute inuendo about sexual orientation....like most idiots do.
Laughably pathetic.

Posted by danni

Danni, as a poster who has a histroy of burning you in a debate, ( see the Constitution constructionist argument), let me point out that my comment was completely on topic. The topic, which you gladly fed into, was that you are an angry person. Therefore my commentary about your anger, which you claim was not an on topic reply, was quite on topic and, I must say, highly intuitive and estute. And whether or not you like girls is none of my business. I really do not look down at anyone based on their sexual preference. There's plenty of other stuff to dislike about you.

nobody gives a shit what you think hillary. fade away.

"Danni, as a poster who has a histroy of burning you in a debate"

That is as far as I read. YOu are full of crap.
Nuf said.

PDAGUY9: New ASSHOLE lib on the thread!
"WRITE AND SPEAK ENGLISH CORRECTLY"

I see your well informed on the liberal come back. It was #1 on the list! These are used when there is nothing intelligent to say. Another Berkeley graduate no doubt.

I'm still waiting for Jimmy Carter to apologize for my 17.5% loan on my first house!

When that happens, we'll talk

30 plus years ago. Man, you are stuck, aren't you?

Closer to home, how do you feel about Ollie North and Herbie Bush and Admiral Poindexter apologizing on behalf of Regan and themselves for selling weapons to the mad ayatollahs and setting 300 Marines up to be killed as a show of good faith?
Or Dubya apologizing for allowing 9-11 to happen?

Sorry, Oozie. It's just that we have such high expectations from someone who "graduated near the top" of their class.

And speaking of nothing intelligent to say:

I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT!

Posted by ozzieoswald

HEY "SITDOWN", SIT ON THIS! Give me MO!

Posted by ozzieoswald

TIGERBALM: Are you back from the "Queens" parade already?

CELISARY: Why don't you go back to SF, you FAGGET!

Posted by ozzieoswald

PANCHOVILLA: I'll bet you had tears running down your ugly face when FROG FACE died.

Posted by ozzieoswald

FLOP EARS DOES FIP FLOP.

Posted by ozzieoswald

#5 Fucken moron.

Posted by ozzieoswald

Thanks for adding such insight and depth to the ongoing discussions, Oozie.

I think we should hold nominations for "best poster to be banned for life."

I nominate Ozzie.

Second anyone???

"Having forsaken his original nonsense about, "someone who voted with the GOP almost every step of the way for the last eight years", the intrepid Sully now shifts to ad hominem and Fantasy POTUS, where he is more comfortable if not more informed."

I have no idea what you could be referring to with that comment. I doubt you do either.

You live in a world where Iraq isn't an issue so I don't know where you get off talking about fantasies.

"So, who are you voting for? Nader? Barr? McKinney? Madonna? Mickey Mouse? Rogers Cadenhead?"

Its a bit early to decide. Some people like to hear things out and think about the decision. Others, like yourself, just vote for who someone tells you to vote for..... That you look down on thinking for oneself is sad but not suprising.

"All of whom have about the same chance of becoming the next POTUS."

This is the favorite tactic of the thoughtless shill. Try to scare people by telling them they are "wasting their vote" if they refuse to vote for big name politicans who are proven to be corrupt.

You would think that people should vote for the person they believe will do the most good for the country. But Corky thinks the whole thing is a popularity contest.

Voting for someone you know is a weasel because he or she is a front runner is not as sophisticated a choice as you seem to believe.

I'd say every vote for Bush was a wasted vote but I suppose you think that a vote for anyone else was wasted because he won and that is all that matters, right? What a jackass.

DANNI: As I recommended several weeks ago, I THINK YOU NEED TO GET LAID!

I think we should hold nominations for "best poster to be banned for life."

I nominate Ozzie.

Second anyone???

Posted by danni

Shit. I can think of a third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth, and a possible fifteenth who are just, if not more, deserving.

-I have no idea

Finally, an admission that makes sense from this poster.

-vote for big name politicians who are proven to be corrupt

If only we, or they, were as pure as Sully, then there would be no problem about who to vote for.

-Corky thinks the whole thing is a popularity contest.

Sully thinks that voting for someone with exactly zero, zilch, nada, no chance in this part of the known multiverse to win, is an accomplishment of noble purity, rather than an abject failure to make any effort at responsible choices from the practical options available.

-What a jackass.

What a maroon.

AMERICANDICKHEAD:

"Shit I can think of a third, fourth,..........'

I didn't realize there were so many liberal ASSHOLES in the running.

No AU, I gotta agree with Danni. With the possible exception of James (deceased, masochistic latent homosexual actor) Dean, Oozie would have to be right up there on the ballot.

SANANTON

I didn't disagree at all with DANNI. Just wanted to add some more names to the mix...

OZZIE

I'm not a liberal. I'm 'anti-Rushbot moron'. That includes you, heck, top of the list!

SANOBAMA:
"And speaking of having something intelligent to say"

Am I to believe that the verbal masturbation which is turned into your responses is to be considered intelligent?

The statements that you liberal ASSHOLES make are to be considered factual? The trashing comments you all have made over the last 7 years are Fact?

Give me a break! Your comments justify the responses that I give. Because I have had to listen and read your liberal BULLSHIT for to long. If you don't like my responses go join the Huffington shit sheet. You will be right at home.

"Sully thinks that voting for someone with exactly zero, zilch, nada, no chance in this part of the known multiverse to win, is an accomplishment of noble purity, rather than an abject failure to make any effort at responsible choices from the practical options available."

I don't view crooks as practicle options. I don't view blind loyalty to a party as responsible.

Our government is obviously broken and you will fight tooth and nail for more of the same. You're a lemming running off a cliff. I would pity you if you weren't also an asshole.

All Sulled up and crying in the corner offers exactly what as a solution to the imperfect humanity and the imperfect systems that so fail to live up to his own perfection?

Nada. Just like with his vote. I could pity him t'were he not quite so dim.

If the Republicans did apologize to America it would fall on deaf ears.

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power."

Rightwingdick-

Which Constitution are you referring to?

The Constitution I read no where grants the President any Mythical Executive Powers to legislate laws into or out of existence.

Please point to the exact line or phrase you are referring to as I am getting old (not as old as McLame!) and may have missed it.

Do try again with your Hollow Lies.

The only reason that Bush is getting away with his Mythical 'executive powers' to make law is that Congress has not been willing to take him to task on it.

Clinton should be the one on his knees (instead of Monica) begging forgiveness;

1) Didn't go after Bin Laden when he had him
2) Set up the Chinese Firewall between the FBI and the CIA that led to 911
3) Force Arafat to the table that led to the Intafada
4) Blowing up the Asprin factor to cover for his blow job
5) Giving the Nukes to the Koreans
6) Agreeing to sell guidance missle technology to the Chicoms for campaign contributions
7)Agreeing to sell silent Sub technology to the Chicoms (everyone remember John Won and the Lincoln bed room...hum...20 times?)
8) All the pardons he gave to support the payouts to his brother.
9) The various "Girlfriends" that resulted in the cheaping of the office of President and now having 15 yr olds think that blow jobs are not sex.

You guys all thought he was great and we told you he was a sleaze bag....who was right?

I didn't see the Clintons apologizing to America at the death of Vince Foster and for the way the McDougals went through hell.

Posted by takitez at 2008-07-15 03:09 AM

Why should the Clintons apologize for something they nothing to do with and something else that the Republicans caused by their multi-million dollar search for a scandal?

1) Didn't go after Bin Laden when he had him

you meanlike when we had him cornered with our Army at Bora Bora?

2) Set up the Chinese Firewall between the FBI and the CIA that led to 911

Debunked Hollow Lie!

Moreover, the "wall" that conservatives accuse Democrats of erecting had been built well before Gorelick -- or Clinton -- took office. The joint House and Senate intelligence committees' report of pre-September 11 intelligence failures stated: "The 'Wall' is not a single barrier, but a series of restrictions between and within agencies constructed over sixty years as a result of legal, policy, institutional, and personal factors." Similarly, a ruling by the top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review -- when it met for the first time in 2002 -- traces the origin of the "wall" to "some point during the 1980s."

Nor did enforcement of the "wall" end with the Clinton administration. In his April 12, 2004, testimony before the 9-11 Commission, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft conceded that his own deputy Attorney General, Larry Thompson, reauthorized the "wall" in August 2001.

since your first 2 points are BLATANT LIES I will assume the rest are too.

"The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution"

I'm pretty sure Article II, Section 1 talks about how the President gets elected, how he gets paid, and what happens if he can't serve out his term.

"All Sulled up and crying in the corner offers exactly what as a solution to the imperfect humanity and the imperfect systems that so fail to live up to his own perfection?

Nada."

There is a huge gap between perfect and being an obvious phoney who screws over the people who trust them. Just because you idolize the most transparent phoney on the planet doesn't mean others have to be "perfect" in order to represent an improvement. The solution is apparent but let me spell it out for slow: Stop voting for members of the two corrupt political organizations that have been screwing us for decades.

The system doesn't need to be tweaked as much as voters need to get their heads out their asses. You should try it.

"The solution is apparent but let me spell it out for slow: Stop voting for members of the two corrupt political organizations that have been screwing us for decades."

Oh, like the Libertarian Party where you have a former Republican now "reformed" running for president. Pretending that the Democratic Party is equally corrupt as the Republican Party is a Republican talking point. FAct is Americans lived pretty well under the last Democratic President and he left the nation in fairly good shape. No scandals on the scale of the S&L Scandal or the present one(s) was ever discovered. No, the Democratic Party is not perfect but it is, right now, the ONLY hope for this country to repair the damage done by the Republicans and get the economy back on a sound footing. After that is accomplished though, let us all hope that Americans will have a longer memory than they have exhibited in the recent past decades. The Republican Party should be disbanded and criminalized just as the Baathist Party was in Iraq. It is a criminal organization for teh most part and does not even pretend to represent the interests of the American people.

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-07-15 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Been around since 1789 Donner.All presidents use it.It is US law.Look up order number 9066 FDR issued.Look up General Order Number Four issued by Lincoln.The usage is varied and controversial and it can only be recinded by congress.
Guess what Donner?The democratics who control congress can change this if they want but they don't.
Most of the democratic leadership knows exactly what is going on,but instead of doing something about it they use the blood of our soldiers for their own political gain.
It didn't take to long for McCain to even up with Obama and I suspect it will not take to long for him to go past.

rwd

The democratics who control congress can change this if they want but they don't.

RIGHTWINGDON

Not when a president from the opposition won't sign it. Not when the Republicans filibuster or use other means to keep legislation from ever reaching a vote they don't.

In a twist of irony, it is Bill clinton who should apologize for his "what is is" and "taste goooood" with tha cow Monica. If were not for his stupid behavior this country would not have elected the worst President and most evil administration in history!

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-07-15 06:40 PM | Reply |
What a whiny lame response,but sorry pal,yes they can.
Dennis Kucinich if anything is a man of personnal integrity. He says what he believes and he acts on it,right or wrong.
Who stopped him when he laid out his articles of impeachment? Why that would be Pelosi thats who.
I said it once, i'll say it again, lay out an alternative to Bush's plan on terrorism.

rwd

What a whiny lame response,but sorry pal,yes they can.

RIGHTWINGDON

You missed civics class too.

They can only override a veto with 60 votes. They don't HAVE 60 votes.

Phil Gramm said we're a nation of whiners. If you think I'm whining take it up with him.

Everything I said in that short post was the stone cold truth.

Impeachment? Either way's ok at this point. As unattended as the affairs of America were Congress may have felt they need all the time they can spare to clean up messes left by the do nothing 6 years of GOP control. Even now the GOP uses parliamentary measures to block all kinds of legislation from ever reaching committee let alone a vote.

If you consider that whining, I could care less. If the truth is uncomfortable for you you need to examine yourself as well as acknowledge indisputable facts.

Even when Bush HAS signed legislation he's issued 'Signing Statements' essentially saying, "I'm signing this but I don't have to abide by it or recognize it as law"

So far, Bush has issued more signing statements all by himself than all others combined in American history.

Everything I said in that short post was the stone cold truth.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Oh ok AU,I guess reality goes right over your head if you can't read it in a book.

rwd

RWD once again reinforces my firm belief that the average right winger is far stupider than the average liberal.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-07-15 07:32 PM

How so douche,no one is more stupid then you. Posting you puked on your boyfriends dick is about as stupid as it gets.

rwd

MODER8: "STUPIDER" You have to be as stupider as AMERICANUNITY.

OZZIE

Nice self retorting retort. You're a gem

RIGHTWINGDON

Books, articles, well done documentaries...

Yep. I choose to get my info from them rather than what I guess you prefer, "this friend of mine had a friend of his tell him (fill in the blank).

That's how so many morons think Obama's a Muslim, or that his father was - TIP: He was an atheist who never saw Obama again after he was a baby. Read it. You can too.

See, I like to know that what I know is true before opening my mouth and making an ass of myself. Plus, learning is fun to me. If only our president was inrestid in reedin'

"Readin'" is the one way to find things out for a fact and gain a broader understanding of whatever than hearing it from a friend of a friend as you seem to indicate you prefer.

-The system doesn't need to be tweaked as much as voters need to get their heads out their asses. You should try it.

Posted by Sully

Well, as we see when push comes to post, you have no solutions, no answers, no Nada-no nothing, just trite asininities which tend to include your anal fantasies.

"If only everyone would think like me", says Silly, er, Sally, er, Sully, "the world would be one".

Have I already mentioned maroons?

hey, get Hillary to support gw's impeachment & go after speaker of house's butt on why the Dems aren't impeaching chimp & she's has my vote for Prez:>)

Actually the Chinese are the biggest polluters. Hillary should get her fact straight.

You libs are a pretty funny lot.

you voted for bush?

"Well, as we see when push comes to post, you have no solutions, no answers, no Nada-no nothing, just trite asininities which tend to include your anal fantasies."

My solution is that people look at what these parties actually do rather than being blind followers.

As the biggest sycophant on this site, I can see why that terrifies you. You're a child. Go play with some Hillary dolls or something and let the adults talk.

"Pretending that the Democratic Party is equally corrupt as the Republican Party is a Republican talking point."

You are hopelessly retarded. You just can't grasp the concept that some people are beholden to either party, can you? The GOP could not have gotten away with messing things up as bad as they have without the full support of the DNC.

"You are hopelessly retarded. You just can't grasp the concept that some people are beholden to either party, can you? The GOP could not have gotten away with messing things up as bad as they have without the full support of the DNC."

Un huh, cuz you say so. What can you base that statement on? Looking back several decades I see tremendous corruption followed by economic hardship every time there is a Republican president yet I see the opposite when there is a Democrat. You can ignore history to try and support your own theory but history simply doesn't support it. You can't get away from the fact that Clinton left the nation in pretty good shape economically.

What can you base that statement on?
Posted by danni

The last 7 years should suffice.

sit back and do nothing as the '00 election becomes farce... evident to the entire planet, except the folks here in the US...

vote for the patriot act even though nobody went through the trouble of reading it...

vote to fund the war every time, and since winning the majority, fund it even more than the president has asked for...

impeachment off the table....

be so scared of the "liberal" tag that they adopt or do not stand up to wrong-headed conservative positions to demonstrate how not liberal they are...

You leave old Ozzie alone! He was forever scarred, emotionally speaking, by a rejection slip from Berkeley. home of the Golden Bears, and will forever get even by calling his intellectual superiors stoopid. I'm fairly sure that Ozzies (bogus paratroopers, Jimmy Deans and Snipes) represent the best the right can dredge up. With Buckley gone, I mean. herm

"With Buckley gone, I mean. herm"

FF, Herm.

-My solution is that people look at what these parties actually do rather than being blind followers.

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

Your problem is that you cannot distinguish a begrudged franchise from corporatists, the Dems, from a highly exuberant wholly-owned subsidiary, the GOP.

Until you have a better, VIABLE solution, you are just another post turtle wondering how he got where he is.

"Looking back several decades I see tremendous corruption followed by economic hardship every time there is a Republican president yet I see the opposite when there is a Democrat."

Danni - Not that I blame him for everything that happened during his presidency, but how was the economy during the Carter administration?

Your statement doesn't even hold up if you look 2 DNC presidents back. On some level you know this. Yet you also believe what you said. Ever stop to think that maybe allowing loyalty to an organization to turn you into a babbling sophist is a bad thing?

And before you make excuses for Carter - I'm not the one who thinks the economy turns on whether the president has a "D" or "R" after his name. You said it.

VIABLE

Posted by Corky

I don't know, cork, viable doesn't necessarily mean right, and sometimes can be far from it.

sometimes viable creeps up on you when one believes they have nothing to fear.

True, HB, but it does indicate possibility and functionality, while the crucifiction of the good in lieu of accomplished perfection (See: Sullynism) is self-defeating behavior.

"Your problem is that you cannot distinguish a begrudged franchise from corporatists, the Dems, from a highly exuberant wholly-owned subsidiary, the GOP."

There is nothing begrudging about the Dem's relationship with private interests. You're in a fantasy.

"Until you have a better, VIABLE solution, you are just another post turtle wondering how he got where he is."

I like how you placed "viable" in caps in order to emphasize just how unrealistic you think voters thinking for themselves is. It really is a scary concept to you, ain't it?

This country has had other viable political parties in its history and there is no reason to believe we won't again. Just because, as a blind follower of people heavily invested in the status quo, you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean its unrealistic. You can tell me I'm unrealistic as many times as you want but historical fact doesn't support your assertion.

That is, my vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader may be self-satisfying and "right", and if it did not help elect a typical Rethug, I might do it. But in the case where that decision helps the GOP, over the Dems, it is typically a bad decision.

"while the crucifiction of the good in lieu of accomplished perfection (See: Sullynism) is self-defeating behavior."

There is a huge gap between "Not selling us out" and "Perfection".

You're grasping at strawmen.

Now run along, slappy.

-This country has had other viable political parties in its history

Really? Name one from the last 100 years.

-how unrealistic you think voters thinking for themselves is.

As someone who thought for himself instead of going along with the PC Obama crowd around here, I find your whining and self-aggrandizing "outsider", "freethinker" position laughable.

Until there is a VIABLE, ie; electable, third choice, any vote that helps the current GOP is bad for America.

Excellent overall point, El Corko.

That's precisely why I hold my nose and vote for the Republican candidate for POTUS.

That being said, I've always voted for Carl Levin (D). He's about the only Dem in the senate who truly understands the auto industry and thus serves as a comprimise when slef-righteous, clueless Dems want to lampoon the auto industry without having a clue of the broader consequences. What he typically proposes (and almost always gets his way) is to give into certain, rabid party demands while at the same time protecting the auto industry from a government-created disaster.

As someone who thought for himself

Are you saying that anyone who supports Obama cannot possible think for themselves? Please explain further.

No Tax,

You'll have to take up the concept that anyone who votes either Dem or GOP cannot possibly think for themselves with it's author, Slappy O'Sullivan.

I don't understand this premise. While I personally would never check-the-box to vote straight Dem or straight Rep, if someone makes the conscious decisions to do so, they are not brainless or incapable of thought. That person is exercising their right to vote how they see fit. Just because it pisses you off doesn't make it a brainless decision.

Until there is a VIABLE, ie; electable, third choice, any vote that helps the current GOP is bad for America.

Posted by Corky

But then why are the attacks on third party candidates more vehement than attacks on the GOP? Is it just the low hanging fruit thing, even if the fruit you want to pick is higher up? I'd say that's intellectual laziness.

The way I see it, McCain can't possibly be as bad as bush (McCain isn't the self righteous smirking douch Bush is), so whoever wins, we're on the road back to sanity.

Obama can have my vote any time he wants it... sonofabitch keeps showing up in my dreams often enough. Why Barack, why?

-But then why are the attacks on third party candidates more vehement than attacks on the GOP?

If that is the case, perhaps it is because the concept of the two-party system, which was supposed to give more unity than having 37 or so parties, is so deeply ingrained.

I have no problem at all with a viable 3rd party candidate, and no problem with supporting 3rd parties in general with my vote, as long as it doesn't end up aiding the GOP, which I find irretrievably lost at this point.

The Dems being only confused, lol.

I have no problem at all with a viable 3rd party candidate, and no problem with supporting 3rd parties in general with my vote, as long as it doesn't end up aiding the GOP, which I find irretrievably lost at this point.

So, you are a voting pragmatist, as am I.

I cringed at the possibility of a Ron Paul run and am cringing now at a Barr run for obvious reasons.

Hell, Danni has called for Nader's torture and execution for his role in the 2000 elections.

which was supposed to give more unity than having 37 or so parties
Posted by Corky

how's that been working for us lately?

The Dems being only confused, lol.

Posted by Corky

-Hell, Danni has called for Nader's torture and execution for his role in the 2000 elections.

hahaha!

Poor Ralph. I was a little pissed with him, too. But from his point of view, I think he was prolly correct in asserting that Dems should have been able to beat Bush anyway, and their incompetence wasn't his fault.

Do you think Barr will have a serious effect on McCain?

-So, you are a voting pragmatist, as am I.

That's how I got in trouble supporting Clinton as the possible good instead of the unlikely "perfect" (supposedly more Left) Obama.

But he appears fairly likely now.

-how's that been working for us lately?

About 50-50, eh?

-wake them up from their stupor.

That may be the most valuable function of today's third parties.

I notice that Ross Perot's bank meltdown from '92 has finally surfaced ;^)

About 50-50, eh?
Posted by Corky

Run-off elections (or something where you can vote for your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice and have those choices weighted differntly) might go a long way to alleviating that problem.

That way everybody's hopes can be registered along with their pragmatic choice... the way it is now, we can pretend that a vote is a 100% endorsement of a candidate rather than the devil's bargain that it usually is.

Cork,

Do you think Barr will have a serious effect on McCain?

Maybe.

Look at it this way, in 2000 Nader was a VERY minor player. Yet, the election was so close that he "prolly" did make a difference.

Barr, like Paul, is a fringe player. Yet, overall he has more appeal to the core of the Republican voting bloc than the Democratic voting bloc.

I think he's only a factor if this election is close.

That's how I got in trouble supporting Clinton as the possible good instead of the unlikely "perfect" (supposedly more Left) Obama.

Ultimately, I think she would have fared better than Obama. Hillary is a known commodity who simply wouldn't lose much when 'dirty litte secrets' arise. Obama is running primarilly on his 'purity', his 'above-it-allness' and his hope/unity thing. Fact is, when he's scrutinized closely he is no different than any other pol. if that is realized by the voting populace, it then comes down to experience and a demonstrative knowledge of issues, plus some charisma. I think Hillary would have absolutely spanked McCain in the debates whereas I think McCain will hold serve, at worst, against Obama. That said, 2004 proved that the debates aren't the be-all/end-all.

At the end of the day, it probably won't matter. So far, McCain has run a putrid campaign. He had a tremendous opportunity to really show face during the Obama-Hillary feud, yet he was largely silent. Since this has started, his public speeches have mostly sucked and the Republican brand in general is in the tank.

IMO, McCain can't win unless a couple of drastic things happen.....

A. Bin Laden or Zawahiri are captured and/or killed

B. A "Whitey" tape surfaces

The only other possibility is that if, Obama is as green as I suspect, it'll continue to show over time, which might narrow the gap. The whole race thing also might play a bit of a role in the south.

Regardless, this is Obama's to lose IMO.

JEFFJ

Barr:

Check out the 'Electoral Map' at Zogby.com

They did a state by state poll over a 10 day period with large samples in every state. Barr is polling 6-8% in most of the swing states.

Some pretty surprising results. Click on a state to view the results.

"As someone who thought for himself instead of going along with the PC Obama crowd around here, I find your whining and self-aggrandizing "outsider", "freethinker" position laughable."

I haven't said anything about myself, let alone the stuff you are attributing to me. You're a liar.

"Until there is a VIABLE, ie; electable, third choice, any vote that helps the current GOP is bad for America."

If Bush is a two term president after the disaster of his first term then anyone is electable. The viability of any campaign is up to the voters. You seem to define "viable" as "victorious" as if people can decide to vote for someone after he's already won. You don't make much sense.

"I have no problem at all with a viable 3rd party candidate, and no problem with supporting 3rd parties in general with my vote, as long as it doesn't end up aiding the GOP"

Utter nonsense. Voting for a third party has never helped the GOP at all.

Some people like to bring up Nader. People who voted for Nader did so because he earned their vote. There is no reason, other than insanity, to assume that vote would have gone to Gore or Kerry or anyone else.

AU,

I don't doubt your link.

As it is, Obama should win this in a landslide. He doesn't need Barr's help.

Well, wholly unable to back-up his claim about viable historic third partys, or even admit the disingenuous, holier than thou attitude he has about people who vote for either major party as unable to think for themselves, Slappy O'Sullivan reverts to whining thata people are lying about him and claiming those who disagree with his premise are "insane".

That should be a full day for the lad.

JEFFJ

I only thought you might find it interesting. It's the only credible poll (state by state) that I've found to be a comprehensive look at where we're at with Barr and Nader in the mix.

AU,

Interesting - NO.

Depressing - YES.

The problem is that we are SO far away from the home-stretch that analyzing polls right now isn't overly meaningful. If you recall, Kerry had sizeable leads early on and "W" closed the gap. Regardless, I stand by my earlier assmessent, McCain will have to be very aggressive if he has any hope of winning.

JEFFJ

I suspect you're right about Obama winning.

Who would have suspected we'd have such a bad president anyone looks good in comparison.

I never in my wildest dreasm thought anyone would top Richard Nixon for the lowest approval rating.

I don't think America is willing to put up with McCain's rebirth as Bush's 3rd term. We're just plain worn out.

AU,

In the last 10 years the Republican party has embraced the worst aspects of BOTH parties.

They deserve everything they get.

That said, don't get too excited. This election cycle seems to be McCain's 'time'. He lucked into the nomination and could luck into POTUS of Bush delivers Osama and/or a Whitey-tape actually exists.

"Well, wholly unable to back-up his claim about viable historic third partys"

Its common knowledge. I assumed you knew I was correct when you tried adding your arbitrary "last 100 years" qualifier.

I don't feel the need to substantiate facts that we all learned in elementary school. I'm not your mommy. Either look it up or remain ignorant.

"reverts to whining thata people are lying about him and claiming those who disagree with his premise are "insane""

I called you liar because you lied. And I said you were insane for believing that voting for a 3rd party helps the GOP.

I'd ask you to substantiate that claim but we both know that would be a waste of time as it doesn't make a bit of sense.

-your arbitrary "last 100 years" qualifier.

roflmfao!!

-doesn't make a bit of sense.

No, you don't. But then, it's not expected.

"That said, don't get too excited. This election cycle seems to be McCain's 'time'. He lucked into the nomination and could luck into POTUS of Bush delivers Osama and/or a Whitey-tape actually exists."

With the way the economy is doing, by November I kind of think a ham sandwich would beat McBush.
McCain blew any chance he had by not distancing himself from all Bush economic policies. Funny thing, his flip flop on the tax cut for the rich will probably bite him right in the ass....as it should....that flip flop was the most dishonest pandering ever. He should be laughed right off the stage at the debates.

"I never ... thought anyone would top Nixon for the lowest approval rating."

In making this appalling comparison (which apple is wormier?) no one factors in the senile ideologue between them. Ronald Reagan was worse than Nixon, and for results ALMOST as bad as Bush Junior. Yet some idiots want to put him on Rushmore. herm

"The democratics who control congress can change this if they want but they don't."

I never expected The Don to bash libruls because they do what HE would want them to do. The "democratics" were elected two years ago to end Bush's insane war. They've failed to do so for reasons of their own, probably afraid of right-wing retribution, the the Don-type warhawks STILL shit on them. Can't win, can one? herm

what Herm said at 12:05

"They've failed to do so for reasons of their own, probably afraid of right-wing retribution"

Reasons of their own = too busy trading favors.

What are the chances that their constituents will hold them accountable anyway? Ending the war would take alot work. If both major parties are refusing to end the war and most people won't vote outside those parties, then there is no incentive to end the war. Why bother?

elected two years ago to end Bush's insane war. They've failed to do so for reasons of their own, probably afraid of right-wing retribution, the the Don-type warhawks STILL shit on them. Can't win, can one? herm

Posted by herm at 2008-07-16 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Elected to end the war...OK,no problemo.

Failed to do so....That is what is expected from the do nothing party.And since when does fear of retribution become a excuse.People with integrity do not worry about retribution herm.Maybe you do but certainly Bush doesn't.He will walk out of the White House free and clear.

For reasons of their own...Goes to show all the tough talk they spew really amounts to nothing in the long run.By the way herm their own is translated to our own with regard to you.

rwd

What are the chances that their constituents will hold them accountable anyway? Ending the war would take alot work. If both major parties are refusing to end the war and most people won't vote outside those parties, then there is no incentive to end the war. Why bother?

Posted by Sully at 2008-07-16 02:35 PM | Reply |

Ending the war will take a lot of work,only problem is the democrats don't want to.
Vote for hope and change.
Yeah thats the ticket.

rwd

"He'll (Bush) walk out of the WH free and clear...."

Oh, Bush decided he was God's gift to humanity when still a teen. So, if you're discussing his personal opinion of himself, you're no doubt right.

I was listening to a National Guardsman, a private small businessman, describe how hard it was to keep his family solvent financially.

He said he could have managed one deployment to Iraq. But two and more was hurting bad.

Now THAT man has integrity, attempting to do well by two sets of competing serious as a heart attack responsibilties. Please don't confuse someone like HIM with George Bush.

"Failed to do so....That is what is expected from the do nothing party.And since when does fear of retribution become a excuse.People with integrity do not worry about retribution herm.Maybe you do but certainly Bush doesn't.He will walk out of the White House free and clear. "

People with integrity also don't send others to go fight a pre-emptive war without doing all their homework to see if its necessary, without properly defining the conditions for victory and without formulating a complete plan.

Bush is an amoral scumbag.

People with integrity also don't send others to go fight a pre-emptive war without doing all their homework to see if its necessary, without properly defining the conditions for victory and without formulating a complete plan.

Bush is an amoral scumbag.

Posted by Sully at 2008-07-16 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag

The only reason the left makes such a claim is because Bush will not change from what he believes is right.
His unwillingness to do so infuriates the left who think it is perfectly normal to change their opinions because of political expediency.
This is the reason for the phrase ...who do you believe is more capable of protecting Americas security, republican or democrat...
It is always a resounding.. Republicans!
As it stands right now Obama is another typical leftwing polititian who will undefine America by his hope and change scenario.
As I said once I'll say again,give me an alterative to Bush's strategy.
No one seems to want to answer.

rwd

"The only reason the left makes such a claim is because Bush will not change from what he believes is right."

That's our Bushie alright. I will still believe on Wednesday what I believed on Monday, no matter what happens on Tuesday.

"...who do you believe is more capable of protecting Americas security, republican or democrat...
It is always a resounding.. Republicans!"

Oh, and this from Rasmussen July...

The Republicans have managed to pull ahead on the issue of National Security and the War on Terror. They lead the Democrats 45% to 40% on this issue. A month ago Democrats had a slight edge in that category.

Resounding?????

Resounding?????

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-07-16 09:32 PM | Reply |

Always.

Even with the low pols people aren't stupid.

Crank up the pols and see it widen into republican favor.

rwd

"Always.

Even with the low pols people aren't stupid."

So having a 5% lead for only 1 month is both "resounding" and "always" in your book.

Alrighty then... is that a cuckoo clock I hear, or are you attempting to post something again.