This should happen in the US too! But it never will till we fall. Minorities and non citizens tend to have more rights than the average joe.

What are the US values anyway?

Gee, she is unlucky not to have Frence Civil Liberties Union back her.

ACLU will be too happy to sue the government if it happens in America.

La devise de la Rpublique est 'Libert,
galit, Fraternit.'

Il s'agit d'une nouvelle guerre.

That did not post well.

"TAKITEZ".....The ACLU only reason for being is to protect the Constitution. They have support people on the Right, RUSH LIMBAUGH, an people on the Left, GEORGE CARLIN. They protect the Constitution, something you FUCKS on the Right claim you care about until it goes against what you radicial FUCKS believe in, an at that point the Constitution be damned....You constant need to show everyone what a dumb fuck you are is getting boring.....take the week-end off.....

Don't blame the ACLU, blame the courts that credit their positions.

Without support from the courts, the ACLU is a non-entity.

We'll let a woman wear a veil if she wants to, cuz we're the land of the free.

Well, France did something right, rejecting the unassimilable. Good for them.

Europe is starting to turn. Hopefully.

What does the North American Man Boy Love Association have to do with constitutional rights?

The ACLU defended NAMBLA's right for men to have sex with boys.

Oh yeah. I remember now. That IS one of the constitutional rights! I think it's the right after the 23rd amendment which gives the presidential vote to citizens of D.C.

The ACLU doesn't protect the constitution. They have a political agenda and that agenda is a far leftwing agenda.

The ACLU doesn't even pretend to defend our constitution or else they would never have supported gun control in direct contradiction to the second amendment.

The ACLU also doesn't defend the constitution when they argue in favor of a supposed "right" to an abortion. The constitution doesn't say a word about abortion rights.

You leftists would have us believe that the only thing the ACLU does is defend the constitution. Bullshit! How about they just deal with what the constitution says and stop projecting their far leftwing views into the document.

You constant need to show everyone what a dumb fuck you are is getting boring.....take the week-end off.....

Posted by celisary at 2008-07-12 10:43 PM | Reply

By that reasoning, what are you going to do with a month long vacation, Celery?

What are the US values anyway?

Posted by Unclesam

How's this...
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Somehow I had missed ever hearing about "NAMBLA" but the right's weirdest loonies keep bringing it up. I try to tell the SeanRs that the ACLU also has helped their ilk - Rush Limpbaughls, Ollie North, the NRA, the Nazi Party and the Klan. ACLU doesn't defend people at all, but the Bill of Rights and due proces, neither of which SeanR has heard of, much less read. That includes the Second Amendment, which the ACLU sees as supporting state rights to operate militias. herm

The ACLU threatened to sue the city of Los Angeles because its old emblem had a small cross in it, reflecting its Christian heritage as there were many Catholic missions in the early history of California.

Two things: 1. ACLU collects huge legal fees by suing.

ACLU hates Christianity and tolerates other religions. Hypocritical. This is not defending the Constitution.

ACLU hates Christianity ...
Posted by takitez

They would probably defend your right to talk out of your ass....

Is ACLU still after those manger scenes during Christmas?

What next? To remove the Bible symbols from the Capitol and Supreme court buildings?

ONE NATION UNDER GOD --- is saying this too oppressive to immigrants and atheists?

Finally Western Civilization stands up to evil.

TAKITEZ

The ACLU goes to court to protect the right of morons like you to spout your BS

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

Posted by takitez

Show me where this phrase appears in any of our founding documents.

"That did not post well.

Posted by YAV "

I don't think this page is setup to accept diacritics.

"What are the US values anyway?"

In my not so humble opinion, U.S. values are those expressed in the Declaration of Independence. It is those values that underpin the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

In the United States I don't see immigrants as threatening those values any more than politicians who want to take our freedom and citizens (native-born and not) who are willing to give up their freedoms and rights.

Perhaps it wwould be a good idea to review the history of the Spannish missions in California and the treatment the natives received there. If you like slavery you'll love what you learn. If those missions were representative of Christianity then I am firmly anti-Christian.

If those missions were representative of Christianity then I am firmly anti-Christian.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-13 07:27 AM | Reply | Flag

You can believe in God Danni,its an internal thing.

Jesus is labeled a christian but he didn't profess those things you refer to.

Kill the bearer not the messenger.

rwd

How's this...
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Nowhere in that does it say we will take care of you cradle to grave. I guess it's meaning would be less for liberals if it added, "Come here and contribute"....

In the United States I don't see immigrants as threatening those values

It's because you are too blind to see them threating you. They threaten you when you have to push one for this lanquage and 2 for another. Why not assimilate in my culture and speak english? Why get angry even when asked to learn english?

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-07-13 12:16 AM

What are the US values anyway?

Posted by Unclesam

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

No one. Emma Lazarus speaks for Emma Lazarus.

Strike 1.

Try again.

cause I'm proud to be an American,
ware at least i know i'm free,
to do what ever the fuck i want
and bomb your shitty country.
and I'll proudly stand up next to you
and punch you in the face.
cause we don't care what you think,
were the fucking USA.

"Who designated Emma Lazarus to set this country's values?"

The folks who chose her poem, specifically, and those passages, specifically, to be at the welcome gate.

The aclu is only in it for the money....

Im very much in favor of the rigths of people. However, sorry, but I dont believe wearing a veil/burka is so much a right as it is a reflection of an imposed religious belief. One which reflects the belief in the superiority of males over females. As such, I cannot in any way defend it. Moreover, I very much oppose it to the extent I truly do believe it should be forbidden. Yeah, one of those big brother-- concepts. Ergo, I do support the French on this. And the Turkish secularists who have/are trying the same.

The interpretation of "freedom of religion" will be reviewed by the Supreme court within 5 years.

Herm

I know the ACLU has defended free speech issues for various people. I understand that. It makes sense for them to do that because free speech is clearly included in the constitution.

You never heard that the ACLU defended NAMBLA? It was a major story. That's my problem with the ACLU. There is no right in the constitution for men to have sex with boys, but the ACLU took up their cause anyway because they want to make it a right.

The right to bear arms is clearly, CLEARLY, included in the constitution, but it's easier for those far leftwing nutjobs in the ACLU to find a right to an abortion than it is to find the right for people to own guns.

The ACLU wants to change this country. They don't want to preserve a friggin' thing. To maintain a semblance of respectability, every so often, they have to take up a cause that most Americans agree with. If they defend Rush Limbaugh it gives them a little credibility. Otherwise the cases they take on are ALL intended to radically change this country and redefine the amendments to our constitution in ways that our founders never ever intended.

The ACLU defended NAMBLA's right for men to have sex with boys.

Posted by SeanR

As usual, a conservative has to resort to making shit up to attempt to prove his point.

This should happen in the US too! But it never will till we fall. Minorities and non citizens tend to have more rights than the average joe.

Posted by Unclesam

Yeah, that's why there are so few minorities in prison, right?

Yeah, that's why there are so few minorities in prison, right?

If you are speaking to blacks, they do it to themselves. But blacks deal with crack more than whites, who deal with pure cocaine generally. Crack gets more time....

The ACLU can find a right to an abortion or the right for men to advertise and advocate for sex with boys, but somehow they can't find the right to bear arms in the constitution.

That is leftism today.

Well guess what? The right to advertise and advocate for something to be legalized is different than actually doing it.
You said that the ACLU was working to legalize sex with boys. That was a lie.
Why should the ACLU waste time and resources on the right to bear arms when there are plenty of organizations defending that right already?

You never heard that the ACLU defended NAMBLA?

Link please......

And to the topic....

My biggest problem with immigrants, and I havent gotten an argument from liberals, is on assimilation. Come to my country because you want a better life, yes, but understand, I dont want a copy of the shithole you just left. Come to be an american, not a more prosperous whatever country you left, I dont want to know your culture you left, I dont want to understand it, I have my own. I'm sorry, this is non negotible(sp)?.

If you are speaking to blacks, they do it to themselves. But blacks deal with crack more than whites, who deal with pure cocaine generally. Crack gets more time....

Posted by boaz

UncleSam, if that's his real name, suggested that minorities have more rights than others. That's moronic.
The fact is that if a young person commits a crime in the burbs or the sticks, they generally get treated less harshly than in the city, and they generally do not start their adulthood with a criminal record.

I dont want to know your culture you left, I dont want to understand it, I have my own. I'm sorry, this is non negotible(sp)?.

Posted by boaz

I guess you never eat spaghetti, eh?

Well ya know... Napoleon made genital mutilation (circumcision) illegal to keep them Middle Easterners out. Long history of that there.

"Well guess what? The right to advertise and advocate for something to be legalized is different than actually doing it."

I don't hate the ACLU. I think sometimes they do alot of good and sometimes they are amoral attention whores.

Deciding to take up for NAMBLA was an attention getting move that had the side effect of encouraging some very sick and dangerous people. They deserve to be criticized for such a decision.

I do think it is very funny that so many people got all fired up over the ACLU's hypothetical defense of this woman.

" men to advertise and advocate for the right to have sex with boys "

Rush has to find them somewhere.

The ACLU isn't mute on the second amendment. They actively oppose individual American citizens owning guns.

However, they do find a clear right to an abortion even though it's never mentioned.

I mean, only the most convoluted logic can't see that the constitution does give us the right to bear arms, but CAN find the right to an abortion in the constitution.

I guess you never eat spaghetti, eh?

Actually, not really. It's ok, but I am a southern kind of guy.

And you know what I am talking about:). It's more about assimilation than anything..

I am a southern kind of guy.

Posted by boaz at 2008-07-13 02:50 PM

Just another inbred hillbilly.

Just another inbred hillbilly.

Ah, itsme...

Been a while since you crawled around here, how ya been?

Good job, France, for standing up for yourself and your culture, which no one else can do for you. Despite some failures in some areas, French culture has been greatly respected by friends and enemies for hundreds of years. Hopefully France can set the example for other parts of Europe to have the courage to retain their own identity. Viva La France!!!

Posted by Danforth at 2008-07-13 11:52 AM

"Who designated Emma Lazarus to set this country's values?"

The folks who chose her poem, specifically, and those passages, specifically, to be at the welcome gate.

The ACLU isn't mute on the second amendment. They actively oppose individual American citizens owning guns.

Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-13 02:18 PM

SeanR Check the story below

Unusual Allies in a Legal Battle Over Texas Drivers Gun Rights

From all I've been reading lately, all I can say is thank God for Texans.
Guess Texans are picked on the most by far left liberals and the media as Texas seems to be the one state which will fight down to the last man when it comes to taking their guns and other rights away from them.

Texans also caused a slow down the to the building of the NAFTA Superhighway. Apparently thousands of Texans joined in meetings/protests across Texas to let their Governor and other Texas politicians know they didn't much appreciate having their land, ranches, and homes grabbed up by eminent domain for Bush's globalist agenda of a North American Union. Remember the Alamo.

Forgot to post the line in the post before mine to which I was responding in my 6:35 p.m. post --

Unusual Allies in a Legal Battle Over Texas Drivers Gun Rights

So Johnson, are you saying you don't agree with the inscription on the statue?

Johnson isn't saying anything. He never says anything. He just types a lot of words.

"Guess Texans are picked on the most by far left liberals and the media as Texas seems to be the one state which will fight down to the last man when it comes to taking their guns and other rights away from them."

You really think that's the reason? I think it has more to do with them adopting some half a fag Connecticut rich kid who is half moron/half traitor and propelling him into the office of the presidency simply because he became semi-proficient at imitating their blowhard attitude and speach patterns. This country currently embraces stupidity (as evidenced by Bush's re-election) and they were on the vanguard of the movement.

Stupidity and desperation.Politics is the most corrupt, on both sides,than Maybe anytime in history in America. So lets go from bad to worse with an amature like Obama. Like Brewsters Millions, buy an election.Vote "none of the above."

And Ignorance.

"So lets go from bad to worse with an amature like Obama."

Considering a national politician's job has become to fuck the Average Joe while making his friends and supporters rich, we want an amateur. Old pros like the Bush family don't just take our money (and Bush has spent more than anyone in history), they will actually throw away American lives to facilitate the desired transfer of wealth.

We go to "worse" from what what we have now. Bush isn't just greedy but completely amoral.

"So lets go from bad to worse with an amature like Obama."

Considering a national politician's job has become to fuck the Average Joe while making his friends and supporters rich, we want an amateur.

You are deceiving yourself if you believe that Obama doesn't have buddies he's looking to enrich. Sure, they are 'different' buddies that those of the Bush admin. but they are buddies nonetheless. The players may change but the game will remain the same.

"You are deceiving yourself if you believe that Obama doesn't have buddies he's looking to enrich. Sure, they are 'different' buddies that those of the Bush admin. but they are buddies nonetheless. The players may change but the game will remain the same."

That isn't what I'm saying at all. Of course you are right. Obama has friends he wants to enrich. He just isn't as experienced at robbing us so he will be less successful at it. Less money will be diverted from our pockets to the people with connections. Think of Obama as a pickpocket and Bushes as the Corleone family.

There also might be a line Obama won't cross. Like he might not start any wars just enrich friends in certain industries. He might view throwing away thousands of American lives as being too low to sink even if billions and billions of dollars are involved. I'm not saying I know for sure. I can only hope the next guy won't sink this low. But then again, after one guy gets away with it completely it becomes easier for the next guy. (And no, I am no longer willing to consider that "honest mistakes" were made in the run up to Iraq. All the evidence points to the war being rushed through at an opportune time just so those no-bid contracts could be handed out. The only people who still can't see it are people whose Polly Anna sensibilities won't allow them to see it.)

What is it that is becoming the new saying? "Maintenez la France pour le franaise."

(I.e., "Keep France for the French.")

Seems to me that when I get the notion about touring France, I think of: small fishing villages near Perpignan; castles in Narbonne and Carcasson, sandy beaches in Biarritz; topless skinny French girls in nice; old vine vinyards; the celtic northern villages of Bretagne, and, of course, Paris. Ms. Won't-Show-Her-Face-and-
Always-Wears-Black doesn't fit in with my image of France.

If given the freedom to deny her entry to a new country, most bureaucrats probably would. There are more applicants than openings. Sounds reasonable to me for the French to deny the woman citizenship. Why not?

"Maintenez la France pour le franaise."

"franaise" should be"francaise"!

(RCADE -- If you like the idea of letting foreign people into Europe, can you at least allow a few European letters into the posts? The French c with the tag below it, is perfectly acceptable and well-recognized letter in the French alphabet, but your server changes the word from "francaise" to "franaise". Same thing happens with accented letters, the Spanish tilde, and other European letters that are slightly different from their English alphabet counterparts.)

Reposting with corrections:

What is it that is becoming the new saying in France? "Maintenez la France pour le franaise."

(I.e., "Keep France for the French.")

Seems to me that when notion about touring France is suggested, I think of: small fishing villages near Perpignan; castles in Narbonne and Carcasson; topless French girls in Nice; sandy beaches in Biarritz; old vine vinyards all over; misty Celtic villages in Bretagne, and, of course, Paris. But Ms. fatima Won't-Show-Her-Face-and-
Always-Wears-Black doesn't fit in.

If given the freedom to deny her entry to their country, most bureaucrats probably would. There are more applicants than openings. Sounds reasonable to me for the French to deny the woman citizenship. Why not?

"Maintenez la France pour le francaise."

We have a chaplain in the House of Representatives.

"God save the United States and this Honorable Court." I wonder which court has this statement made?

I'm still waiting for ACLU to take up the battle against these two.

After 9/11, there were no lawsuits started to stop the requests for prayer by government leaders and other public officials. Why were no lawsuits fired off at that time?

A brick a day is easier than a wall. It is easier to steal the bricks when the workers aren't there.

Hey, you bunch of non-patriotic conservative america-haters, here's the ACLU's statement about the NAMBLA affair:

ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations (8/31/2000)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.

How the fuck can you find fault with that???

unwrap yourselves from the cheap polyesther chinese-made flags, open your fucking eyes for once, and then please just shut the hell up and let the adults take over running things.

"How the fuck can you find fault with that???"
--------------------

The ACLU is riddled with gay pedophiles.

FACT!

***** What does the North American Man Boy Love Association have to do with constitutional rights?

The ACLU defended NAMBLA's right for men to have sex with boys.

Posted by SeanR *******

......in other words, the ACLU is defending the right of the Republican Party to exist.......

BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union will represent a group that advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

The family of Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge said the North American Man/Boy Love Association and its website which is now offline incited the attempted molestation and murder of the boy on Oct. 1, 1997.

One of two men convicted in the killing, Charles Jaynes, 25, reportedly viewed the group's website shortly before the killing, and also had in his possession some of NAMBLA's publications. Also convicted in the killing was 24-year-old Salvatore Sicari

Harvey Silverglate, an ACLU board member, said Wednesday that the group's attorneys will try to block any attempt by the Curleys to get NAMBLA's membership lists, or other materials identifying members

Now thats Wrong- Puplish the list with home addresses.

At two separate trials last year, prosecutors said Jaynes and Sicari were sexually obsessed with the boy, lured him from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike, and then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances. They then stuffed him into a concrete-filled container and dumped it into a Maine river

10 YEAR OLD BOY-AND SOME OF YOU SORRY FUCKS STILL DEFEND THE AMERICAN UN-CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION.

What if it was your child?

The Curleys last week were awarded $328 million by a superior court jury in a civil suit against Jaynes and Sicari.

**** 10 YEAR OLD BOY-AND SOME OF YOU SORRY FUCKS STILL DEFEND THE AMERICAN UN-CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION.
What if it was your child?
Posted by controlledpairs ******

.......what the ACLU is defending is the freedom of speech, not the freedom to molest and murder.......

.......we may find the point of view defended here to be repulsive, but we must be willing to defend points of view that we disagree with, otherwise we will have no freedom of speech at all.........

"How the fuck can you find fault with that???"

Easy. NAMBLA members are very sick and dangerous people. Nearly all of society chooses to ostracize them as a way of delivering one message: "You are a bunch of sick fuckers. Your desires are not normal or acceptable. Stay the hell away from our kids or else."

Then the ACLU comes along and decides to defend them on this free speach issue. Do you really think people who rationalize fucking children are going to understand that the ACLU is defending an ideal and not NAMBLA in particular? Or do you think that just maybe people who rationalize diddling kiddies aren't going to make such a distinction? Just maybe people who are this sick are going to convince themselves that the ACLU sympathizes with their cause.......

People who join NAMBLA are very confused already. Almost everyone on the planet thinks they are sick and they still think they have the right to touch kids. So you can only imagine how their sense of entitlement when it comes to fucking kids increases when they can tell themselves that the ACLU is on their side.

It doesn't matter how the ACLU sees their involvement. How NAMBLA is going to perceive it is much more important as they are the dangerous kid fuckers. They've missed every other message society gives them to tell them that touching kids is wrong. But the ACLU expects them to tell the difference between standing up for an ideal and standing up for NAMBLA. Pretty stupid expectation if you ask me.

You lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. If the ACLU wants to play around with these sick bastards, it derserves whatever scorn it receives. They made the choice and they can live with the consequences. The people who defend the ACLU on this just think the ACLU is infallible. It obviously isn't.

Easy. Rush Limbaugh is a very sick and dangerous person.
Then the ACLU comes along and decides to defend him on this drugs issue.
-fixed

-OR-

Easy. The KKK are very sick and dangerous people.
Then the ACLU comes along and decides to defend them on this protest issue.
-fixed

Sully just has a hard-on for pedophiles.

". Do you really think people who rationalize fucking children are going to understand that the ACLU is defending an ideal and not NAMBLA in particular? "

The excellent, and very respectable aspect: The ACLU fights on, regardless of the fact they'll be misrepresented in that manner.

Of course, it would take every second of every day if the ACLU had to correct all those who believe the ACLU stands for Republican toe-tapping in an airport stall, merely because they helped Larry Craig.

"Sully just has a hard-on for pedophiles"

Pun intended?

"The ACLU fights on, regardless of the fact they'll be misrepresented in that manner."

If you take actions like these knowing full well that the sickos in NAMBLA are going to use your support as a way to rationalize their sick behavior, then are you really being misrepresented?

There are hundreds of free speach cases going through the courts at any one time. If you choose the one that is also going to encourage pedophiles to spend your time on, that says something about you.

This group as are many libs, is getting lost in abstractions that are detached from reality. It's the Lorenz Effect as each deviation is multiplied, and the ACLU is defending the indefensible.

But again, it's not the ACLU that is at fault. It's the courts that have found in favor of the ACLU position on issues that empowers them that are at fault. The courts have interpreted the law in such a way as to support many of the noxious positions advocated by the ACLU.

Of course, the "friends of the friendless," the ACLU has a twofer with this one. Not only do they defend pedophiles, but they defend homosexual pedophiles particularly.

You would hope that advocates and practitioners of homosexual pedophilia would be societal outcasts, and that their doctrines and actions would be reviled. But then, the lefties are "so understanding" of the impulses of the homosexual pedophiles, and their need for "expression," that the ACLU ...

Hey, wait. Who is funding the ACLU. Is the homosexual and pedophile crowd supporting them financially in disproportionate numbers? Do the same group of homosexuals and homophiles that underwrote the early days of Obama's campaign when he made his proffer to them, comprise those providing signifcant financial support to thre ACLU? Follow the money.

I betcha that Obama supporters do support and are sympathetic to the ACLU, and the stances it takes.

It augurs ill of things to come if an ACLU lover gets into the POTUS office given the current nature of that organization and the causes that it chooses to espouse.

JOHNSON

Darnit. I remember something about "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

The only "liberty" we enjoy in America is based on 'Civil Liberties"

American Civil Liberties Union.