What a coincidence. Just when the likelihood of a black president is imminent.

Gee ya think?

Will anyone ever apologize to white and Asian folks who have been fucked over by affirmative action?

What a coincidence. Just when the likelihood of a black president is imminent.

There's that, but more importantly, you ain't shit in today's society if you haven't apologized to a minority for wrongdoings you had absolutely nothing to do with. All the cool people are doing it.

Kudos to the AMA. The first step in preventing misbehavior from re-occurring is to acknowledge it opening. Of course this is something that bothers right wing hacks like FWThom and Goatman no end.

Sad but true... Affirmative action is a device to give privileges to other races. The other race can get free rides through college and become doctors. Kind of creates a false image of a doctor.

Affirmative action works in some points and fails immensely in others.

Scholarships should be based on pure grades and numbers from a source without race question.

Human should be the checkbox on the race question.

Of course this is something that bothers right wing hacks like FWThom and Goatman no end.

Oh yes. I'm contemplating suicide as we speak I'm bothered so much.

If you want to grovel and apologize for something your g'g'g'grandparents did, go for it, dude. I never suggested you not do so, so your pointless goatbash was exactly what we would expect from you -- pointless.

There are thousands of societies who were done wrong in the past. If you start now, you can apologize to them all before you die.

Affirmative action is a device to give privileges to other races.

If there's one thing we should've learned from the civil rights days is that different rules for different races is a bad idea and never works. How quickly we forget.

Per Goatman:
"There's that, but more importantly, you ain't shit in today's society if you haven't apologized to a minority for wrongdoings you had absolutely nothing to do with. All the cool people are doing it."

And he wonders why so many of us consider him a right wing joke?

" All the cool people are doing it. "

Posted by goatma'am

I really tried to be nice to you, oh well.

And he wonders why so many of us consider him a right wing joke?

So the fact I refuse to apologize for wrongs I had nothing to do with, but you are willing to makes me a right wing joke? Very bizarre leaps of logic you come to, m8.

I think it would be a more appropriate logical conclusion that if you are willing to apologize for something you didn't do, you are a spinelss pussy.

Go grovel somewhere else please. Mindless obeisance sickens me.

Libs love to apologize and kiss mucho black ass and are willing to give them anything they demand as long as no black folks move in next to them .

Affirmative action policies are neato.

As a European American, things have been going my way
for the longest time - simply beacuse I have
white-skin privelage.

I don't need special treatment: I'm white!

End Racism: Obama in '08.
Be Well.

SKIPPY,

If you feel that guilty about being born white why don't you take a course in ebonics and rub some shoe polish on your face. Your self-hatred puts you in a category with Michael Jackson.

Wow, maybe there will be a day when we will classified as human.

Wow, maybe there will be a day when we will classified as human.

I'll go for that. I'd also like to see the day that we are all Americans. No 'African American'. Just American. I don't remember ever identifying myself as a European American. The continent that spawned my ancestors is irrelevant to my status as an American.

Goatman-
Re: "I don't remember ever identifying myself as a European American. The continent that spawned my ancestors is irrelevant to my status as an American."

That's 'cause you're "white". Sorry, someone had to tell you.

(Thoughtful Pause)

Can you hear me with your head in there, Goatman?

That's 'cause you're "white". Sorry, someone had to tell you.

People who identify themselves as African Americans are black, so using your argument, it is just as illogical for them to identify themselves as African Americans, don't you think? Sorry, someone had to tell you

(Thoughtful Pause)

Can you hear me with your head in there, Betelg?

nothin but net

swooshhhhhhh...pop!

Affirmative Action is a policy that is suffering diminishing returns. Once upon a time (just twenty to thirty years ago) there was an astonishing lack of representation of Black people in many professions. One cause was both poverty and racism. Affirmative Action has been largely successful in addressing these societal problems. (Though no right winger will ever acknowledge the contribution AA played to leveling the playing field.)
At this juncture, the need for AA is diminished. Blacks largely have broken through in every professional work environment in this country. For goodness sake, we are about to elect Obama to the Presidency.
The AMA's decision to recognize past racism is not directly connected to the issue of AA. It is an action based on the recognition of truth and morality. It is not a sign of weakness or abject groveling as a bunch of right wing retards seem to perceive.

"People who identify themselves as African Americans are black, so using your argument, it is just as illogical for them to identify themselves as African Americans, don't you think?"

That's just sad, man. WTF are you talking about? Did you just fall out of the Republican sky yesterday? Am I speaking to a being with even the faintest acquaintance with recent history. Hell, are you on the planet today?

I really don't get the modern brand of proudly fell off the turnip truck from an alien ship yesterday Republican shill for a colorblind society bullshit, Goatman. But whatever.

It is an action based on the recognition of truth and morality.

As if there is somebody in this country who is unaware that past injustices were done to minorities. There is no such person, so this is a stupid justification.

And if that is the case, (which it can't be, as I pointed out) why not say, "Hey everyone -- blacks have been done wrong in the past" (use your own vernacular). Why is an apology necessary?

Apologies are for one to atone for one's own sins. I cannot apologize for my ancestors because I do not know how they felt on the subject.

But if it makes you fell all warm and fuzzy with you submission -- go for it. I'm all for people feeling good about themselves even if it means they have to grovel. Just don't make me watch, please.

Goatman-
I'm proud of you for never hyphenating your whiteness. It took some balls. Someone else's, maybe, but balls nonetheless!

Goatman, if you really don't get it by now, there is no point in trying to explain it. Seriously, But I think you do get it. You just don't like confronting the issue of race within any context of American society. That is clear from your posts on numerous threads. But don't worry, - there are a lot rightwingers on this site who share the same hang up.

That's just sad, man. WTF are you talking about? Did you just fall out of the Republican sky yesterday? Am I speaking to a being with even the faintest acquaintance with recent history. Hell, are you on the planet today?

Damn, what a piss poor deflection.

I presume you have no counterpoint or intelligent rebuttal. How else does one explain this irrelevant fluff?

I used your exact argument ('skin color means you don't have to identify yourself as a Eurpean American) on African Americans. (skin color means you don't have to identify yourself as African American) I'll give you another chance to tell me what's wrong with that argument. I presume nothing since you were the first to postulate it. But please, leave the fluff and rhetorical questions behind you. They do nothing to rebut. They only delay the inevitable. But you know that, don't you?

I'm proud of you for never hyphenating your whiteness. It took some balls. Someone else's, maybe, but balls nonetheless!

Still no explanation why your argument applies to those of European descent, but not of African descent.

Just be a man and come out and say you can't offer an explanation. It looks better than fluffing, dodging, and deflecting.

"I don't remember ever identifying myself as a European American. The continent that spawned my ancestors is irrelevant to my status as an American."

Was it a struggle? Did you ever wonder why your parents were denied the right to vote because of your whiteness that hung like a long shadow for over a hundred years after slavery was "abolished".

That must have been rough.

I can see your need to not only move on, but to remain an idiot about the whole unpleasant topic, as it's too distressing and liberal, as are most facts.

Goatman, are you high? Damn. I hope so. It's better than not possessing any reading comprehension skills. LOL. Or is this a new right wing tactic. Claim the other person is dodging and deflecting after they have just knocked your lights out.

You just don't like confronting the issue of race within any context of American society.

BINGO!

I wish everyone would not treat race as an issue. In my eyes, everyone is equal. Wish you saw the same as I. Sadly, it's people like you who keep it alive. The world would be a better place without people like you who make race an issue. I'm proud to say I came from a family that outgrew it before they were forced to by the government. They left it behind because it was the right thing to do.

Do you think you'll ever see the world as one people? I think not. Sad.

Was it a struggle? Did you ever wonder why your parents were denied the right to vote because of your whiteness that hung like a long shadow for over a hundred years after slavery was "abolished".

I see after three requests, you have no intention of explaining why your argument is valid for those of European descent, but not African. I also see that you don't have the balls to come out and say so.

So I'll let you save face and we'll pretend that you never made that stupid statement upthread at 11:02

I've lost all respect for your style, betelgcooperbadweekkazak. We all make mistakes. What makes us men is when we admit to them. You can't.

Grow a set, dude.

Goatman, just because you don't like confronting racial issues in our society does not mean they do not exist or have magically stopped being important. Millions of Blacks, Latinos, and Asians are adversely affected by issues of race in this country every day.
But you don't want to look at. Oh well. La di da.

Goatman-
re: "Still no explanation why your argument applies to those of European descent, but not of African descent."

It would apply to all equally had the Drudge Retort and its virtual occupants inexplicably and suddenly found themselves in a vacuum with no history, memory, context, or even bottled water! But I don't think that just happened.

Goatman, are you high? Damn. I hope so. It's better than not possessing any reading comprehension skills. LOL. Or is this a new right wing tactic. Claim the other person is dodging and deflecting after they have just knocked your lights out.

???

I asked him a simple question: "why does his argument hold true for those of European descent but not for those of African descent. He failed to answer three times.

You call this "knocking my lights out"? His failure to answer the question is a victory for him? I'll admit he gets points for dodging and deflecting, but that's not what my question was about.

You're weird, M8. I've never sen anyone let their hatred of an anonymous blogger allow them to make such utter fools of themself as you just did. Get over me, OK?

But you don't want to look at.

Yes. We established that. I do not look at race. I see people, not races. You are right. Good for you. I know this concept bothers you, but you will not change my mind. You see race, I see a person. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

My, you do have a high opinion of yourself. LOL again. You should do stand up.

Goatman-
re: "Do you think you'll ever see the world as one people? I think not. Sad."

That's sweet. I suppose you are destined to suffer as one who never thought to capitalize on his whiteness, noble and post-racial soul that you are.

Again, I admire your courage, as you never sought to accentuate your white roots in America while all the brothas were scheming.

"You see race, I see a person. We'll just have to agree to disagree."

Goatman is beyond race, which is why it was so easy for him to not consider himself a hyphenated American, which is sort of like being 3/5ths American?

It would apply to all equally had the Drudge Retort and its virtual occupants inexplicably and suddenly found themselves in a vacuum with no history, memory, context, or even bottled water! But I don't think that just happened.

???

And this explains why people whose ancestors many generations past who came from Africa call themselves African Americans, but those of European descent do not refer to the continent of their ancestors? I'll have to ask what m8 asked me: Are you high? I guess you think if you fluff and dodge enough, I'll grow tired of asking you to answer the question.

Well you're right. It's obvious you won't and I'm tired of trying to persuade you to. But your little puppy dog m8 believes you. You are a victor in his eyes. His heroes come cheap, apparently

My, you do have a high opinion of yourself.

Compared to a racist like you, I certainly do.

I suppose you are destined to suffer as one who never thought to capitalize on his whiteness, noble and post-racial soul that you are.

I would not call it suffering, but you are right that I do refuse to capitalize on my whiteness.

...while all the brothas were scheming.

Tell me more about this 'scheming'. I'm not aware of it.

GOATMAN,

Thanks for holding down the rig and helping to bring us more American oil. We need much more of it despite what Obama and the libs think.

Goatman is beyond race, which is why it was so easy for him to not consider himself a hyphenated American

Exactly. You are catching on.

So now right wing retards (from Texas no less) are calling people who acknowledge the prevalence of racism in our history and still in our society, "racist".

Thanks for holding down the rig and helping to bring us more American oil.

No thanks necessary. I love my job. It gets me out and keeps me active. But I do appreciate the recognition if not for me, but for all the oil field workers out there.

"I would not call it suffering, but you are right that I do refuse to capitalize on my whiteness."

I'm proud of you. It must have taken some guts, my friend.

'Now, I don't see color. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me "sir".' - Colbert

So now right wing retards (from Texas no less) are calling people who acknowledge the prevalence of racism in our history and still in our society, "racist".

Who is this 'right wing retard' you refer to?

It must have taken some guts, my friend.

No just basic humanity, a concept you seem unfamiliar with. I see where that is part of your problem.

YAV-
re: 'Now, I don't see color. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me "sir".' - Colbert

Goatman won't get it, but he's happy where he pretends to be. Don't disturb him.

Goatman won't get it, but he's happy where he pretends to be. Don't disturb him.

Just because I am not a racist does not mean I don't 'get' a joke. Steven Colbert is a comedian, no?

MODER8,

You people are sick. How many times are you going to apologize? When are you going to get over your white guilt?

When are you going to get over your white guilt?

I don't understand why they even have white guilt and feel a need to apologize unless they personally have committed acts of racism. From what I'm reading, I'm convinced they have been involved in such acts.

Goatman-
I never called you a racist. I merely stated in many different ways that you are conveniently delusional.
If you doubt me, just read FWTHOM's posts, and forget about anything silly ol' me has said.

Just an observation: I have a strong suspicion that people who work and interact with Goatman consider him very insensitive and racist. It is my experience that usually the most racist people among us are always the ones who claim to be the least race conscious of anybody. They claim to be above it, while at the same time rolling around in it more than anyone.

Goatman is bringing in the oil, libs are bowing, scraping, saying their mea culpas.

I have a strong suspicion that people who work and interact with Goatman consider him very insensitive and racist.

This certainly is not the first time you've been wrong. In fact, it just underscores how irrelevant anything you post really is.

FWTHOM-
re: "You people are sick. How many times are you going to apologize?"

If by "you people" you mean the AMA, I think once. Has the AMA apologized many times before and I missed it?

Do you have a problem with once?

It is my experience that usually the most racist people among us are always the ones who claim to be the least race conscious of anybody

Man, you are just a fountain of logic and keen insight, aren't you? Yeah, ask any Klansman. (I chose them since they are the most racist people I know of) He'll tell you he is not race concious.

LOL

Got any more good ones like that?

"Just an observation: I have a strong suspicion that people who work and interact with Goatman consider him very insensitive and racist."

I doubt that.

They claim to be above it, while at the same time rolling around in it more than anyone.

If this is your experience, I'd seriously start considering who I hang with. It sounds like you surround yourself with liars and dishonest people. That being the case, I have no counterpoint. I distance myself from those types.

As to his charity as a white man to unilaterally declare that he is beyond race and everyone should just get over it and start brand new tomorrow where there is no past and everyone is a child of freedom born yesterday in some creepy sterilized Star-Trek episode, well it disappoints me in a conversationalist.

"At this juncture, the need for AA is diminished. Blacks largely have broken through in every professional work environment in this country. For goodness sake, we are about to elect Obama to the Presidency. "

Yea, the guy votes "present" most of the time, has no experience and no real plans for the US but is selling you Hope and Change and now Unity. All three of them are just empty words. But he does want to raise taxes. and where do you get that "we" shit?

I see nothing wrong with an entity apologizing for wrongs they feel they committed.

There are likely lots of companies that need to apologize--

AA has been in effect for over 40 years.

Another 20 years or less and maybe we can call it even.

I dont' mean that to be derogatory.

If we changed SS accounts to be inherited as Personal Retirement Accounts instead of stolen by the gov't and left to the family of the deceased --maybe--just maybe --there will be some wealth that can be passed to the poor and used for their family and the community they live in--higher education, homes, etc...

Social Security is the most racist thing the govt does against people of color..

Oh there's Murphy, burping up her supper.

As a matter of principle, Murphy, I suggest you renounce this racist Social Security for yourself, and encourage your dependents to do so as well.

Donate the money to the Republican Party.

If we changed SS accounts to be inherited as Personal Retirement Accounts
instead of stolen by the gov't and left to the family of the deceased...

You're kidding, right? You want the lousy $255 -- the one time lump sum amount Social Security gives to a surviving widow/widower -- to be put into a PRA? Why bother forcing anyone to open an account for a lousy $255. Just cut them a check. I can spend that much on one trip to the gas station and a couple trips to the supermarket.

Goatman is beyond race, which is why it was so easy for him to not consider himself a hyphenated American, which is sort of like being 3/5ths American?

Posted by BetelG

I'm a proud Swedish-Irish-German-English-
French-Argentinian-Austrian-
Hungarian-Russian-Lithuanian-
Canadian-Inuit-Colombian-
Chilian-Mexican-Belezian-
Dutch-Spanish-Belgian-Swiss-
Czech-Icelandic-Romanian- Swazi-Jamaican-Bahamian- Tahitian-Ungabunga-Yadada- American

Oh yes. I'm contemplating suicide as we speak I'm bothered so much.

Yes, that was close, very close to what was suggested. See you right on point......AGAIN!!!

Sad but true... Affirmative action is a device to give privileges to other races.

Is that what it does. Please tell me what the percentages of Blacks entering universities and does it equal the same percentage as those who are not in affirmative action.

Let's add all the money going to white students and all the money going to Black students and see how that percentage fairs.

And by the way, why not look up the stats about a Black student finishing university studies and white finishing. You would be surprised.

When is someone going to apologize to me for the discrimination my white ancestors suffered when they came over from Ireland?

This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever witnessed on the DR.

One side wants to do away with affirmative action because it's a different set of rules for people with different skin color. The very thing the civil rights movement fought for.

This is the important part folks. EQUAL rights no matter the skin color. Equal is not "a different set of rules for brown people".

Then the other side...the "tolerant" side thinks affirmative action is great because it gives advantages to brown people in a "white, oppressive world".

I think a few people missed something in the discussion above. Moder8 said that Affirmative Action has served its purpose. There was a time, in this country, that we had to make the playing field uneven in favor of minorities.

That time has passed.

It's time for everyone to stop looking at themselves as Democrat or Republican, Black or White, American or Hyphenated American, Christian or Muslim or Hindu or whatever.

It's time to join the human-fucking-race, folks.

If someone wrongs you, exact revenge on their wallet, but don't take every slight you receive in life as an attack on the amount of melanin in your skin.

And by the way, why not look up the stats about a Black student finishing university studies and white finishing. You would be surprised.

Not really, I wouldn't.

The black students I knew through college were all very intelligent and extremely dedicated to their studies, and I don't mean that in the "oh he speaks so well" way either.

The reason, one of them told me, was because he'd grown up in the hood. He'd seen what being poor and uneducated does. He didn't want to go back to that.

Good post Ax.

Equality under the law does not equate to equality in fact. As we are different we can also be complimentary. Too often we look to deficits rather than strengths. Hardship takes courage to overcome, and arbitrary barriers must be deconstructed. We must be egalitarian and balance that with merit. Rather than lowering standards at major universities for minorities the focus should be on upgrading lower ranked schools that would accept a lower score. The failure to do this under Affirmative Action created the present hostility to the program.

Some people are naturally better at assembly or mechanical work. I love carpentry but I can no longer make a living at it. Thanks to the Navy I was able to fall back on computers.

What I'm saying is that we need to rebuild our industrial base and we need crafts and labor to do that work. Yet all we hear is "college" from our politicians.

Actually the Irish immigration is a case in point, especially in light of the German immigration that occurred during the same period.

America had entered the Industrial Age in the 1830's with a concentration in Connecticut. The Irish were agrarians. Their skill set included cropping and animal husbandry. But they had no money to buy land. They were stuck in the cities and living in ghettos while the English-origin bankers and merchants took full advantage of their plight. Their exit went through the police and fire departments after electing aldermen who could provide patronage jobs.

The Germans came with savings and a better technical education. They could finance a business within a prosperous enclave. German newspapers flourished and the brewers were numerous. Not until our entry into WWI was the community fully Americanized.

In Missourah we have the Irish Wilderness. It's an area where a priest started a colony for Irish immigrants in 1858. They were not heard of after the beginning of the Civil War. But it illustrates the fact that it was recognized at the time that homesteading was a solution to the problems in the ghettos.

The Irish Wilderness is a protected area with a trail and campgrounds.

Okay now can we stop letting minorities into Med School and residency programs based on color? It would be nice to know my doc doesn't have that diploma on the wall just because he had a great essay about growing up in detroit...

So when are they going to put their money where their mouths are and give those poor black doctors reparations?

ROB THE A HOLE

I am wondering why you or your parents never complained when they wouldn't allow VERY VERY smart and well deserving minorities (smarter than a lot of whites who got accepted) into Med School and residency programs???

Why didn't you or your parents complain when the AMA, a very powerful organization discriminated against black doctors.

GOATMAN

It is interesting that you asked why do blacks call themselves African American.
Well lets go back into history for a little bit...
Blacks had to fight just to be consider FULL HUMAN.
If I recall well, not too long agao they were considered less than a WHITE person in this country (can you believe it!!!)
Then long after slavery, blacks were not considered American (they were considered just African, and a lot of your g'grand parents wanted them to go back to Africa...) at all, may be you tend to forget that, or you just don't know it, or you just chose not to acknowledge it!
So I don't think that blacks in this country didn't want to be identified as just American, they had to fight VERY hard to become not just American, but African-American, since your g'grand parents told them they were not American but African...and I guess they never forgot where they are coming from...

Well lets go back into history

had to fight

not too long agao

your g'grand parents told

Any here want to live in the present with me?

That would explain the past, Lenye. But I want to live in the present. I have a lot of Irish blood in me. I've gotten over the way my ancestors were treated in the 19th century. I don't call myself a European American just because my Irish ancestors were shat upon by this country at one time.

Goatman,

What is the present for you???
Discriminatory policies by the AMA was still in place in the 80's...have you complained about it, or at least try to level the field so that doctors are treated as doctors and not as WHITE doctors (Irish included) or BLACK doctors!
I take in the 80's you were talking the same, that you see people not race, where as many organizations (School included) didn't see just people, but they saw race as well!!!
And that is what we are talking about here.

If the AMA doesn't apologize, we wouldn't know that these things happened well into the 80's.
If some schools or organizations don't at least acknowlege these things, we wouldn't know that these things ever happened, and a lot are still happening!.
And we wondered why we have few black doctors!!!
And some people are gonna say then that black are not as smart or they don't want to become doctors!!!

I am wondering why you or your parents never complained when they wouldn't allow VERY VERY smart and well deserving minorities (smarter than a lot of whites who got accepted) into Med School and residency programs???

I can't speak for my parents, but I would say in that situation, at least qualified and smart applicants were still getting in. Sure there were most likely smarter and maybe more qualified minority candidates, but the ones going in their place still were likely qualified... unlike some of the ones that get in now to fill the "need" for schools and residency programs to be "multicultural."

I can't speak for my parents, but I would say in that situation, at least qualified and smart applicants were still getting in. Sure there were most likely smarter and maybe more qualified minority candidates, but the ones going in their place still were likely qualified... unlike some of the ones that get in now to fill the "need" for schools and residency programs to be "multicultural."

So if I understand well, the fact that many Americans (based on their black color) got denied acceptance in Med School (and many more institutions), and their white counterparts (and probaly qualified) got accepted, it is OK with you!!! You say, well it is not that bad after all!!!

But today, the fact that some American (now Blacks) get accepted in those school, get accepted even though that means some White American (MAY BE and MAY BE more qualified) get denied acceptance, you find it UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Those candidates that get accepted are not just some Black Americans that we pull out of the street into Med School...
Those American still have to work extremely hard to have a chance to get into MED School!!!

Affirmative would never right the wrong that have been doing to Black American...but I can understand that today, American can may be give a chance to some of their own to level the playing field....

AA is by no means perfect...but we can at least understand why it is there, and if you have a better idea, please let us know...

But again don't diminish the accomplishment of those American (blacks) who are working hard to get into Med School, by saying they are unqualified!

After all, if you don't see race, it shouldn't bother you at all, since they are just Americans getting into Med School!

So if I understand well, the fact that many Americans (based on their black color) got denied acceptance in Med School (and many more institutions), and their white counterparts (and probaly qualified) got accepted, it is OK with you!!!

No, it was still wrong... just like White's only bathrooms, Minorities to the back of the bus, Jim Crowe laws, etc... But correcting that wrong by allowing unqualified candidates into the system is just as wrong... maybe even more so because it puts the rest of the public at risk.

even though that means some White American (MAY BE and MAY BE more qualified) get denied acceptance, you find it UNACCEPTABLE!!

Yes I do find that unacceptable, because it means the public gets less qualified doctors...

But again don't diminish the accomplishment of those American (blacks) who are working hard to get into Med School, by saying they are unqualified!

Some of them are... some of them are getting in because they are black so that programs can appear diverse and multicultural... I'll take grades and accomplishments rather then skin color in deciding my physician thank you.

AA is by no means perfect...but we can at least understand why it is there, and if you have a better idea, please let us know...

when it comes to Med School and residency programs. Strictly academic and extracurricular accomplishment should be all that is considered.

Some of them are... some of them are getting in because they are black so that programs can appear diverse and multicultural... I'll take grades and accomplishments rather then skin color in deciding my physician thank you.

Well anyone would take grades and accomplishments rather than skin color of course...
If you forget that is what BLACKS have been fighting for their entire lives in the US...

Getting into Med School doesn't make you a doctor...
The last i check, they didn't hand in diplomas to Black Americans. They still have to do the work, and pass all the required exams etc...
And the last I checked they didn't just take any black person who want to get into Med School and say hey here come on in!!!

It is not perfect, but I understand that something must be done so that some Americans can be given a chance to catch up...
And I still don't understand how, you say that you don't see skin color, but it is unacceptable that some americans are given a chance to become doctors...
This isn't about unqualified students...they are all qualified, and may be few are not more qualified to some white students...

If you find this unacceptable, I guess you should find the disparities in jail sentences between whites and minorities unacceptable as well!

I'll go for that. I'd also like to see the day that we are all Americans. No 'African American'. Just American. I don't remember ever identifying myself as a European American. The continent that spawned my ancestors is irrelevant to my status as an American.

Not that I don't necessarily agree with your argument but there are a whole lot of "European Americans" that get pretty darn excited about their ancestory; ie, Columbus Day in Philly, or St. Patrick's Day in Boston.

I believe it was actually the mini-series Roots that really kicked off the whole genealogical craze, for all races, that started in the 1970's.

Was this anything to do with the AMA method for caring for black baby's. You know, just wet their lips and press them against the wall?

All of these "apologies" for conduct of others that was appropriate in different times, is comical. It makes you wnder, who is funnier and more pathetic, those apologizing or those accepting the apology. What a display of empty sets. Meaningless drivel that some imbue with their own values.

You also have to wonder regarding the timing and who articulated "the apology." Is it political, a precursor to an apology to blacks through elevation of Obama regardless of his merit or lack of it. Is this actually "racism in action."

Of course, these positions postulate a world with polar opposites of good and evil and attributing all "goodness" to the group receiving the apology.

Martin Luther King was a complex individual, who was the figurehead for a cause, but who was subject to many forgiven human failings. That's what he was, a human being rather than the idyllic person he is depicted as being.