He said Obama is "Cutting off his nuts with blacks"

OMFG!!!!!

Those silly dems are always eating their own!

FACT!!!

Remember, he's only half as black as the (Cue Rush) "Reverend Jacks-unnn" is black.

So he's cutting off one nut then.

This should please retardicans as they despise Jackson, and anyone Jackson despises should be golden in they eyes of republicans.

Funny how Fox is going to run with this. More garbage from the garbage network.

Cutting Jesse's mike off would cut one nut off for sure.

Jesse Jackoff is one major fucktard.

BIG FACT!!!

Jesse Jackson bends over a table for Al Sharpton.

Si Senor, it ees a fact si'

Jesse Jackoff is one major fucktard.

BIG FACT!!!

Posted by keith204
------------------

You said it BUB!

Fact!

I've never voted republican and I hate that tool.

/He was great on South Park though.

Funny how Fox is going to run with this.

What's so funny about it? It's news.

I'm sure you were just as indignant when CNN aired Bush's comments he thought were off line a couple of years ago, right?

Save your faux indignation for someone who might actually believe it, shill.

Bush, running for President.

Jackson, running for nothing, in charge of nothing, a nobody. But he's black.

Goat misses the point once again.

People who annoy you.

Now kiss Jesse Jackson's ass. Go on. Kiss it!

classic.

Goat misses the point once again.

*yawn*

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jesse Jackson considered a leader of the black community? (yes) Isn't a leader of such a large group newsworthy?

"yes, but it's so much fun to say, "goat misses the point once again", especially since my pea brain can't come up with anything wittier"

jomama

"Maybe you should stay with your mama
She could do your laundry and cook for you.
Maybe you should stay with your mama
You're really kind of stupid and ugly too."

Zappa
Yo' Mama

Whatver. Maybe you can come up with something original instead of copying lyrics.

Goat, Faux News is consistently running tripe accross the airwaves. Just look at their constant low-brow attacks on Michelle Obama. They have to use garbage to create news. That said, it is a shame that other more respectable news channels are picking up on this as well. Of course, it really doesn't hurt Obama, but Faux news will certainly attempt to twist it to make it look bad for Obama.

As for Bush and his open mic, it was Bush making the idiot statements, not someone talking about Bush being caught with an open mic. You see the difference there oh bright one?

" isn't Jesse Jackson considered a leader of the black community? (yes) "

By you.
That's one middle-aged white guy.

Any of the non-melanin-deprived care to comment?

They have to use garbage to create news.

Don't watch them, then. I'm sure they'll remain the #1 cable news channel without your eyes and ears glued to their every nuance.

As for Bush and his open mic, it was Bush making the idiot statements, not someone talking about Bush being caught with an open mic. You see the difference there oh bright one?

It was an identical circumstance. No, it was actually worse. Bushs was told the mike was off. Jesse Jackson made an assumption it was off.

See the difference, oh dim one? Of course you don't. Your sheepleherd would never allow that. Back to your flock. It's feeding time. I hear it's Kool-Aid again. Yummm!

Reagan still takes the cake.

And of course Governor Haircut's "Adios Mo-Fo!"

Jackson considered himself somebody once when he was part of MLK's entourage. He could have used that momentum after MLK was assassinated to really carry the message.

But, he being of the victim and entitlement class threw all that positive energy away and went for the lowest common denominator. Thusly, he set the black cause back to pre-MLK days.

I'll bet he find Obama to be one uppity nagger. Couldn't resist the south park thing.

By you.

Hardly. However, many if not most black people do.

It was an identical circumstance.

Bull shit.

Goat, don't get all pissy with me because I threw your faulty logic back in your face. You can't twist it anymore, just accept the fact that you are wrong and move along. And now, as I have proved my intellectual superiority, I will move along to other threads.

I'm sure they'll remain the #1 cable news channel without your eyes and ears glued to their every nuance.

It's easy when you have only one station dedicated to dumbed down Americans.

Goat, don't get all pissy with me because I threw your faulty logic back in your face.

Pissy? Calm down, dude. I stated a fact. This is pissy to you? Chill.

And now, as I have proved my intellectual superiority, I will move along to other threads.

To what, a slug? You really gotta put a lot of stock in someone who claims victory then rushes off. That really makes your self proclaimed victory all the more profound. LOL

It's easy when you have only one station dedicated to dumbed down Americans.

Dumbed down Americans are enslaved to the boob tube. I don't even own one.

Jackson considered himself somebody once when he was part of MLK's entourage. He could have used that momentum after MLK was assassinated to really carry the message.

Wasn't he the sob who dubbed blacks as african americans? Hell the Feds even made it a classification when filling out applications.

It's easy when you have only one station dedicated to dumbed down Americans.

I thought it was TELEMUUUUUUUNDO!!!!!

Jesse Jackson can say anything he wants about 0bama as long as it's nice and that goes for everybody else too.

Mantra of the 0bamites.

Okay, conspiracy buffs: Deal with the possibility that Jesse and Barack scripted this bit of trivia to enhance the O'Bama campaign, Will Jesse badmouthing Barack not make Barack look better in the eyes of the "moderates" he would court? herm

" I don't even own one. "

So what are you looking at?

Two irony meters in one day.
This is getting expensive.

Funny, back through most of the 70's I never had a TV, but I had a dialup terminal.

Okay, conspiracy buffs: Deal with the possibility that Jesse and Barack scripted this bit of trivia to enhance the O'Bama campaign, Will Jesse badmouthing Barack not make Barack look better in the eyes of the "moderates" he would court? herm

Posted by herm

Herm get rid of that batch of crack, it must be bad.

Jesse Jackson, arrogant asshole, would willingly play the pariah?

You making a claim that the two incidents are identicle does not constitute fact. Had Obama made this kind of idiotic mistake then I would grant you similarities; however that is not the case and this only reflects badly on Jackson. Do you need further explanation?

Ok I was screwing around with I am through with you thing earlier, but now I really am going because I hate typing on the crackberry.

Jesse Jackass should have spoken in his classic
mother-goose sing-song rhyme that causes guilty
white liberals to creme in their collective jeans:

Obama taklin' down - always to persons brown
Barack tryin' to incite - tryin' to act white

To cut this sellout's nuts - temptation in my guts
This uncle Tom be buggin - whitey's ass he be huggin'

That's nice, Zat.
Lemme show ya what I used to store my data on:

The only time I had a TV was 71-72 when I worked for KVUE TV in Austin. Never had one in Houston.

My ex was a TV junkie. Probably still is.
If I ever see China Beach or Northern Exposure again I'm going postal.

Now my wife's house has HD.
She is a bike rider; I'm a Tour de France widower.
It's the real reason she springs for cable.
We watched Mystery last night. With the exception of the local weather and, of course, PBS, we almost never watch broadcast TV at all.

We prefer BBC America for the news.
They actually have some occasionally.

Out here I get high speed for free because my ISP uses my ham radio tower for a wireless mesh node.

Zat, I'll go out on a limb and guess that you're not getting a lot of pussy lately.......

So what are you looking at?

I read a lot. I own a PC. TVs are for idiots

That's none of your business.
I'm only ignored one Tour stage at a time.

When I ran into some old friends at my daughter's studio Sunday (She got a mention in the NY Art press ... ) I commented, "We have the perfect marriage. We don't live together."

You making a claim that the two incidents are identicle does not constitute fact.

You don't read much, do you. I specifically claimed they were not identical. The incident against Bush was more egregious.

Read. Think. Reply. It's the American way.

And now for something completely different.

Goat, you said it was an identicle circumstance which isn't true as one idiot was the president and the other idiot was Jackson, who is not a head of state nor currently campaigning to be head of state. Moreover, your statement that Bush's idiot incident, one of many I might add, is somehow more egregious is baseless as well.

Jesse Junior just threw Daddy under the bus, blame Obama time in three, two, one...

Obama has nuts?

You just can't disown someone. He is like the crazy uncle every family has....

Goat, you said it was an identicle circumstance

Yes, I said that but immediately qualified it in the next sentence saying it wasn't identical. I'm sorry that this simple literary technique is lost on you. I can dumb myself down to a 3rd grade level if it's easier for you Mr. "I have proved my intellectual superiority" if you want me to.

Do you want to read what I really write and debate, or do you want to debate what you want me to have said? I'm not one to play the spelling Nazi, but if you are going to accuse me of saying something, at least spell it right. I-D-E-N-T-I-C-A-L, Mr. "I have proved my intellectual superiority".

PS, the past perfect form of the verb "prove" is "have proven", not "have proved", Mr. "I have proved my intellectual superiority"

Tax--The comment by Jackson reflects badly on Jackson and Obama both.

Jackson is the old school and Obama is new--he's for change you know!

Jackson is well liked and respected in the black community.

When he makes this kind of remark--it may give black folks pause. Even if it was accidental.

This is a weird remark--would you agree? And it shows badly on Obama.

It is like that Al Sharpton remark about Wright hanging out something or talking in front of white people that way??

I am not black and so this kinda goes over my head.

If someone could comment on what this means--great.

WASHINGTON - In a vulgar tirade caught on tape by Fox News, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said he wanted to "rip (Barack) Obama's nuts off" and he accused the fellow Chicagoan of "talking down to black folks" by giving moral lectures to African-Americans, source said.

Change we can believe in!!

Goat, you have yet to back up your statement, but instead play spelling Nazi against someone using a blackberry.

"a scary emphasis on balls"

I know.
No Rocky Mountain Oysters at the Democratic convention.

I'm not going.

Jesse is just upset at Barack because he's not jumping up and down, throwing the whole deck of 52 race cards on the floor, and blaming whitey for everything. Relax Jesse, have patience Barack will get around to it after the election.

Does this mean it's now okay for the McCain campaign to say Obama is half-nuts?

Goat, you have yet to back up your statement, but instead play spelling Nazi against someone using a blackberry

Is the blackberry to blame for you inability to properly conjugate English verbs?

As far as backing up my statement, I don't wish to tonight. Anyone who has read my posts since I've been a member knows that I regularly do this, in fact I probably provide more links than most others do. If you choose to believe it didn't happen, fine with me. I don't feel like looking for a 2 or 3 year old incident toight. So take that from me, proclaim your intellectual superiorty, and run off to another thread like you promised.

"And it shows badly on Obama."

You're full of it, as usual, Murphy. Did you hear what Jackson's son said about these remarks?

" for you(sic) inability "

Go for it, goober.

That one was for you, zat. Figured I could get you during a commercial. Did you catch the other one as well?

" Did you catch the other one as well? "

Posted by goatman

One?

I take it you're in Tejas again, btw.

My wife's transcribing minutes from the Daughters of the Republic meetings from the 20's.

At least I have 3rd generation recollections of the original Yellow Rose.

My present father-in-law has yet to leave this mortal coil, he taught high school physics in Austin for nearly three decades.

Before that he worked on the wet Bomb at Sandia.

He and my late father share the Berlin Airlift.
He was a mechanic in England.

My father was management.

.........Jesse is jealous........

.......when Jesse ran for Prez he got .00001/2% of the vote.......

My wife's transcribing minutes from the Daughters of the Republic meetings from the 20's.

Took her long enough. Better late than never, I reckon.

At least I have 3rd generation recollections of the original Yellow Rose.

I think jesse is jealous, he has beentalking down to everybody for years.

.......when Jesse ran for Prez he got .00001/2% of the vote.......

Posted by skizziks

That much?

Guess you shouldn't have a "private conversation" in front of a camera with hot mikes on. Isn't Jackson Jr. on Barry's campaign? Would've loved to see that call.

I take it you're in Tejas again, btw.

Going to N Texas tomorrow, then Padre Island on Sunday. Going to drive the jeep down 60 miles S of CC and camp on the beach a couple of days.

I know what Sandia means. They are my sponsor.

The Goddess' grandfather fought at San Jacinto.
His name's on the monument.
He's buried in the State Cemetery in Austin.

My ex's uncle built the damn monument.

Here's what Junior said about Daddy's comments:

"Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. released the following statement Wednesday afternoon about his father's comments: "I'm deeply outraged and disappointed in Reverend Jackson's reckless statements about Senator Barack Obama. His divisive and demeaning comments about the presumptive Democratic nominee -- and I believe the next president of the United States -- contradict his inspiring and courageous career."

The statement goes on to say: "Reverend Jackson is my dad and I'll always love him. He should know how hard that I've worked for the last year and a half as a national co-chair of Barack Obama's presidential campaign. So, I thoroughly reject and repudiate his ugly rhetoric. He should keep hope alive and any personal attacks and insults to himself."

My guess is the private phone call went something like this:

"Dad! What the f**k were you thinking? You know there are idiots out there who would love to string him up and cut his nuts off but you of all people are f**king talking about doing it. Mother f**ker, what the f**k dad?" or something along those lines.

"In candid comments critical of Obama, Jackson reportedly said that he'd "cut his nuts out."

That was a complement...

Half of America thinks the appeaser doesn't have any.

Hey, Jesse Jacksion was in the vanguard of playing "the race card" to secure benefits from compliant whites. He's known as a shakedown artist, who is adept at insuring that some of the lavishly compensated "token" black folks are friends and associates of Jesse. Now that turf is being threatened. But Jesse should be content to become "emeritus" in the race card industry, since he has been very successful, and has essentially "done it all."

Obama has had it both ways. He's received almost total support from black voters based on race, and has so far prevented polarization of white voters sufficient to deprive him of the advantage that he secured based on practice of black racism.

Now the accusation is that "acting white" somehow is a "bad thing." Well, you white folks should reinvent yourselves as blacks. In a sense that's happening as black culture in the form of rap, clothing trends, and attitudes permeates the domain of white youth. It's a values thing. Now if whites would only widely embrace ignorance, and not "act white" by valuing education, we could achieve third world status more rapidly.

Fox News gave Je$$e the heads-up before airing his comments. So Je$$e i$$ued hi$ apology prior to the news being released...

As some would say, "That was mighty white of them".

"Whats so funny is that, in his apology--, Jackson clarifies that his issue is that BHO is calling on members of the black community to step up and take responsibility for their own judgment and consequences, and Jackson is urging him to place that responsibility on the government and public policy; not on personal choice.
And the rev keeps getting away with all of this!
Too freakin funny!"

"Those particular comments of Obamas are not that different from the (sensible) things Cosby has been saying for years. Why arent all of Cosbys critics going after Obama? The outcry should be huge!!"

...Says it all!

"Those particular comments of Obamas are not that different from the (sensible) things Cosby has been saying for years.

And the Republicans all along. But somehow it's racist if a rich white guy says it. Go figure.

You are exactly right, Goatman.

(No pun intended!)

"There are people that want you to remain in a hole, and they rejoice in your hopelessness because they have jobs mismanaging you. However, your job is not becoming victims. We have to rise up and fight on all levels to succeed."

Amen, brother Cosby.

Dr Bill Cosby is a victim of Black Blindness.

Going to drive the jeep down 60 miles S of CC

Good ole Big Shell.

There's lots of seaweed, so be warned.

There's lots of seaweed, so be warned.

I know. I was there a few days ago, but didn't go further south of Malaquite. Last month when I went there was none. Even when I left last Sunday it was still washing ashore.

**** deprive him of the advantage that he secured based on practice of black racism.

Posted by Johnson *****

.......huhh ?.......

......yup.....I can see how practicing "black racism" will really take a person far in America....

......and what the hell is "black racism" Johnson ??.....

.......does Obama stop his car in front of a cop, and start beating himself on the head with a baton ?......

.......does he ask real estate agents to not show him the nice house thats just right, because its in a white neighbourhood ??......

.......does he turn down a great job, because the law firm is too prestigious and pays too well ???.......

.......do you think maybe you could provide a few examples of acts of "black racism" that Obama has committed.......

.......thank you........

Hey SKIZZIKS, how about 0bama:

1. sitting in a racist church that preaches black liberation theology for 20 years
2. under a racist pastor, whom he described as a family member like the old uncle
3. before throwing him and having his staff throw others like Geraldine Ferraro and Bill Clinton under the bus for "racist" (sic) comments?

Does THAT count?

I'm sure that you will agree that actions speak louder than words.

Thanks for the invitation!

"This should please retardicans"

Not nearly as much as it hurts dumocrats.

Black racism. Sharpton and Jackson refuse to promote Condi.

Why? Cause they can't take credit for her success.

...or Clarence Thomas.

Cutting Jesse's mike off would cut one nut off for sure.

~Zatoichi

Pretty much THIS!

Thread over. Zat WINs.

One tiny li'l remark, if Spud may...

Jesse "The Booty" Jackson was talking to whom again?

"FOX", you say?

And he "Thought His Microphone Was OFF"?

....

....

Nephew, puh-leaZe.

If I ever see...or Northern Exposure again I'm going postal.

- Zat

"If you give a Moose a Muffin"

Northern Exposure--good show.

what do you expect from the number one poverty pimp in the country.
he must have been low on funds to take care of his illegitimate children, so he needed some PR

Whats so funny is that, in his apology--, Jackson clarifies that his issue is that BHO is calling on members of the black community to step up and take responsibility for their own judgment and consequences, and Jackson is urging him to place that responsibility on the government and public policy; not on personal choice.

Nice revision.

Obama's pontifications at poorer blacks are racist and classist, and I give Jackson a lot of credit for calling him out. Poor eating habits, lack of commitment to education, absentee fathers, etc., are not black problems, they're also problems for a lot of poorer whites ("white trash," as some of you would call some of my family members).

And while personal responsibility is certainly one issue, Jackson is right to point out that it's not the only issue. Poorer communities do not get the schools, the policing, the access to jobs, etc. etc. that richer communities do. Poorer people do not get day care so that their children are properly supervised when both parents (or the single parent) have to work, and they don't get proper health care. And when poorer people screw up, they go to jail -- they don't have lawyers to get them off on technicalities or negotiate for lighter sentences because as you can tell from the suits, rich people are respectable people.

I doubt Jackson did this on purpose, but if he did, good for him. The black community deserves a lot better than the pandering to racist whites that Obama's been dishing out.

Everyone except Jesse thinks its OK to say "Too many (Black) Fathers are AWOL".

But don't say that this situation is a consequence of a misguided system of entitlement. Understanding that the Government is the cause of the problem, undermines its legitimacy. The mainstream duopoly understand legitimacy is never undermined.

Going to N Texas tomorrow, then Padre Island on Sunday. Going to drive the jeep down 60 miles S of CC and camp on the beach a couple of days.
Posted by goatman

Goat - if you end up at the South end of Padre, look up local band The Bongo Dogs, playing at Wanna Wanna's.

so it's safe to say that jesse's going to vote the black side of nobama? al sharptongue's sure been quiet lately...

p.s. - anybody else want to know the rest of the story - you know, the part fox news kept under cover so as not to embarass jesse?

chris - that was one of my favorite shows! we used to go to the little town in washington where it was filmed - that show and "picket fences" were the bomb in television.

p.s. - anybody else want to know the rest of the story - you know,
the part fox news kept under cover so as not to embarass jesse?

nanc

We already know Jessie said "I want to cut [Obama's] nuts off."
Is that the part Fox kept under cover? You mean there's more?

Twin Peaks in the name of the town--been there and stopped by for the cherry pie.

Thank you to Fox News for putting further distance between Obama and the progressive black establishment. He needs that for the general election.

Of all the rocks upon which we build our lives, we are reminded today that family is the most important. And we are called to recognize and honor how critical every father is to that foundation. They are teachers and coaches. They are mentors and role models. They are examples of success and the men who constantly push us toward it.

But if we are honest with ourselves, we'll admit that what too many fathers also are is missing - missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it.

You and I know how true this is in the African-American community. We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled - doubled - since we were children. We know the statistics - that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.---Barack Obama's Father's Day speech

>Obama's pontifications at poorer blacks are racist and classist, and I give Jackson a lot of credit for calling him out. Poor eating habits, lack of commitment to education, absentee fathers, etc., are not black problems, they're also problems for a lot of poorer whites ("white trash," as some of you would call some of my family members).

And while personal responsibility is certainly one issue, Jackson is right to point out that it's not the only issue. Poorer communities do not get the schools, the policing, the access to jobs, etc. etc. that richer communities do.---Phoenix

I say this knowing that I have been an imperfect father - knowing that I have made mistakes and will continue to make more; wishing that I could be home for my girls and my wife more than I am right now. I say this knowing all of these things because even as we are imperfect, even as we face difficult circumstances, there are still certain lessons we must strive to live and learn as fathers - whether we are black or white; rich or poor; from the South Side or the wealthiest suburb.

The first is setting an example of excellence for our children - because if we want to set high expectations for them, we've got to set high expectations for ourselves.---------

And by the way - it's a responsibility that also extends to Washington. Because if fathers are doing their part; if they're taking our responsibilities seriously to be there for their children, and set high expectations for them, and instill in them a sense of excellence and empathy, then our government should meet them halfway.

We should be making it easier for fathers who make responsible choices and harder for those who avoid them. We should get rid of the financial penalties we impose on married couples right now, and start making sure that every dime of child support goes directly to helping children instead of some bureaucrat. We should reward fathers who pay that child support with job training and job opportunities and a larger Earned Income Tax Credit that can help them pay the bills. We should expand programs where registered nurses visit expectant and new mothers and help them learn how to care for themselves before the baby is born and what to do after - programs that have helped increase father involvement, women's employment, and children's readiness for school. We should help these new families care for their children by expanding maternity and paternity leave, and we should guarantee every worker more paid sick leave so they can stay home to take care of their child without losing their income.---Obama continued

Phoenix...

Either you purposefully are ignorant to what Obama actually stated in his speech, or you're still suffering from Hillary-blindness. Obama covered ALL aspects of this crisis across color lines, including government's role in assisting its lessor citizens. His words stand in direct refutation of most every insinuation and inaccurate portrayal you espoused.

Obama's not classist, nor condescending toward blacks. He speaks the simple truths that our community needs to hear and not the "handwringing first" mentality you seem to ascribe to. He includes all and excludes no one from responsibility especially the federal government.

Its obvious that you refuse to see or hear the truth in his statements for the unmissable distaste for Obama still emanating from your biased, incorrect assessment. Jackson is perturbed because Obama is in the process of making Jackson irrelevant politicvally in the overall black community, something many years too late in happening. If you want to ride Jesse's bus of victimization, go right ahead. I know what my son needs to be successful in America and its much more Obama's path than it is Jackson's public pronouncements of absolution for unforgivable conditions and communal subjugation to destructive practices, ALONG with the ever-mentioned governmental neglect and glaring lack of proper social and economic services necessary for many poor to climb from their lower status to move upward, regardless of race.

We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households

So what, we know that more than half of all white children live in single-parent households.

Getting tired of Obama and his idiocy, he is beginning to lose my vote.

Obama's not classist, nor condescending toward blacks. He speaks the simple truths that our community needs to hear and not the "handwringing first" mentality you seem to ascribe to. He includes all and excludes no one from responsibility especially the federal government.

What are you smokin Tony?

He speaks the truth and then casts his vote away from what he knows and protects the corporate dollar.

Change???? Not on your life, just another corporate whore who is going to steal the filtered money he allocates for the poor to the corporate whores and himself.

As time goes on he is becoming a piece of shit. Good thing Hillary didn't drop out, he is slowly losing votes everytime he talks.

As time goes on he is becoming a piece of shit. Good thing Hillary didn't drop out, he is slowly losing votes everytime he talks.

No, he isn't losing votes, he's gaining them from Americans normally predisposed to voting against much of what Obama stands for.

If you choose to ignore what he's always and consistently stated since day one, go right ahead, but don't feign outrage over what he's always professed to being. This article is written for those like yourself, who obviously haven't listened to or read the things Obama has faithfully said.

"We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households

So what, we know that more than half of all white children live in single-parent households.

Getting tired of Obama and his idiocy, he is beginning to lose my vote.

Posted by moneywar"

Didn't have time to dig too deep this morning, but in 2000 53.3% of black children lived in single parent homes vs. 21.6% of white children.

Didn't have time to dig too deep this morning, but in 2000 53.3% of black children lived in single parent homes vs. 21.6% of white children.

From 1920 to 1964 out-of-wedlock birth rates among African Americans remained constant - roughly 20%.

In the early '60's this was deemed a "crisis" and ultimately the 'War on Poverty' was launched. Well, since that 'noble' cause was initiated, out-of-wedlock birth rates among African Americans skyrocketed. Fast forward to the present and we currently have an out-of-wed birth-rate of 70% for African Americans.

The devestation that the 'War on Poverty' has wrought on the black community is utterly tragic.

Jeff points out something that is important. The facts are what they are. Obama goes part of the way, he palces responsibility with the individual. But he does not go far enough, the very programs that Obama is proposing are the same programs that helped create the situation.

This is what is so insane about all this. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Jackson is upset because Obama placed some of the responsibility back on the individual. Jackson and his ilk want nothing to do with that. They want all the problems to be someone else's fault. That is why they were so upset with Bill Cosby.

So what, we know that more than half of all white children live in single-parent households.

Getting tired of Obama and his idiocy, he is beginning to lose my vote.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-07-10 04:29 AM

What what what?? Besides that being plain wrong (and you call Obama an idiot) single parent households are proven to be worse for children than dual parent.

Study after study after study shows the advantages children have in a dual parent home, to downplay this is irresponsible and stupid.

What the hell are you thinking?

Didn't have time to dig too deep this morning, but in 2000 53.3% of black children lived in single parent homes vs. 21.6% of white children.

San,

Maybe you ought to look at how the stats are being taken.

What is the damn divorce rate across America?????

Are you saying white women find another man and black women don't?

Better go back and get some common sense.

JJ and his bull shit about war on poverty, wish the idiots would actually use their brains.

Only blacks live in poverty, only blacks.

"Better go back and get some common sense."

Is it your contention that as many or more white children live in single parent homes as blacks?

If so, you need a whole lot more than just common sense.

BigJohn,

The only thing I can say to your post is....LEARN TO READ!

San,

What is the percentage of the population of blacks in America?

What is the percentage of whites?

I would say there about the same number of white single households as blacks in numbers but I am not playing a percentage game.

"I would say there about the same number of white single households as blacks in numbers but I am not playing a percentage game.

Posted by moneywar"

Then attempts at intelligent conversation with you are futile.

Then attempts at intelligent conversation with you are futile.

Bull shit, the fact that you have to put more leverage on race using percentage makes your ideas convoluted.

Poverty single households are just that, no color or race involved, they are poverty single households.

Stop using bigotted percentages for addressing the poor problem in our nation.

BigJohn,

The only thing I can say to your post is....LEARN TO READ!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-07-10 07:48 AM

I read fine, your problem is you are being willfully ignorant. So you attack me for pointing out some facts. Facts are, coming from a dual parent home is better than single parent home. Fact is blacks are much higher proportionally to come from single parent homes. Fact is, that's a huge problem.

The fact that you take issue with that? You are being a dick head.

Oh shit, I'm sorry I'm playing a numbers game by using facts and statistics! My bad!

Facts are, coming from a dual parent home is better than single parent home.

Never said this was not a fact but find it strange you read that I have. So you don't read so fine, must be a product of that no child left behind.

As I stated to San, percentage in the situation is nothing but basic bigotry at its finest.

Poverty is poverty, and to separate how the issue is addressed is idiotic. Maybe we should tell all those WHITE single mothers to eat shit because they are part of the larger population and their percentages are lower.

Oh shit, I'm sorry I'm playing a numbers game by using facts and statistics! My bad!

OK numbers man using facts and statistics, what is the total number of single households that are white??????? Not percentage but total number.

You play with the stats but don't add up all the other variables because they don't suit your postings.

It is bad government policies to address by race, address the problem being raceless because that is the only way any policy will work.

moneywar come on...

The bigotry is what led to (ok Started) the larger percentage of blacks coming from poverty/single parent households.

It is perpetuated not only by racism(but less so than in the past) but by learned behavior passed down from generation to generation.

Even if whites and blacks have the same number of single parent households...the percentage DOES matter, as it tells us which communities are in worse shape, and need more(and sooner) help.

I'm not trying to divide people based on racism, but on reality. Why? Because we should be helping the worst hit communities first.

THAT is pragmatism, not bigotry.

It is bad government policies to address by race,

So Native Americans shouldn't get into college for free?

I'm not trying to divide people based on racism, but on reality. Why? Because we should be helping the worst hit communities first.

No, we should be stopping those communities that are about to fall first and as those build back up their will be more money available to help those at the bottom of the pile.

It is like a sinking ship, need to plug the hole so one can begin to bail.

I use to respect Rev Jackson. However, he has become nothing more than a poverty pimp like Al Sharpton.

In the early '60's this was deemed a "crisis" and ultimately the 'War on Poverty' was launched. Well, since that 'noble' cause was initiated, out-of-wedlock birth rates among African Americans skyrocketed. Fast forward to the present and we currently have an out-of-wed birth-rate of 70% for African Americans.

The devestation that the 'War on Poverty' has wrought on the black community is utterly tragic.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-07-10 07:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're using a classic fallacy here. Putting up a series of facts and choosing to see that they are related, without actually explaining how this is so.

Other factors you should have included in your analysis:

Black sounding names on resumes are 60% less likely to be picked over white ones with the same qualifications.

The lower value of the dollar in those years due to inflation.

Rising CEO pay vs worker pay.

Car industry drying up.

Manufacturing base being exported for cheaper labor costs. Also tax break incentives to this end.

Instead you chose to single out the "war on poverty" which, while a failure, never really had a chance when you add these other factors in.

No, we should be stopping those communities that are about to fall first and as those build back up their will be more money available to help those at the bottom of the pile.

Well, if we agree...then why are you calling "racism"?

OMFG!!!!!

Those silly dems are always eating their own!

FACT!!!

Eating their own?? Hey rwing moron, whta will be fucking funny is if McBUSH takes Romney. The sound bites of those two idiots attacking each other only few months ago will have every Dem doing cartwheels til November

So Native Americans shouldn't get into college for free?

All people should get into college for free, why give a pass to native Americans?

Are they public colleges using public tax dollars?

Only 30% of our nation completes universities and we are basing our future economy upon higher education technology so great, 30% will be successful in our future posterity.

AOT-

Good lord. McCain AND Romney? Four candidates for the price of two.

Alex,

I call racism when percentages start get throwing out about a particular group as if that is the only group in the problem.

Our nation fails because they then begin to try and set policy towards such groups while letting all others fail.

I think this totally works out for Obama with respect to getting those fence sitting whites who are wondering if he's secretly just a Jesse with a Harvard law degree.

And on Fox for that matter. sounds a little scripted. maybe I'm wrong.

JJ- The fallacy in question is "Post Hoc".

as if that is the only group in the problem.

No one said that. They were merely pointing out which group had the BIGGEST problem.

Or at least that is how I read it.(and meant it for myself, obviously)

HC- Fox is in a bit of a pickle here.

They want the rating for a juicy scandal, one with obama's name on it, and makes Jackson look like shit.

But it makes Obama look good to most people. Jesse aint as popular as he once was among the black community either.

So they're helping Obama's rush to the center. But hey, if Obama wins Fox will be counter culture again. Remember all that crazy shit they used to say about Bill Clinton? How absurd his executive power was getting?

All of that went away once Bush was in office. They never really cared about presidential power getting too big. Just partisanship.

All people should get into college for free, why give a pass to native Americans?

Well, that doesn't change the fact that native americans DO get into college for free, and we didn't.(I'm assuming) Might have something to do with the U.S. nearly exterminating them and destroying their culture, eh?

I too wish more people went to college, but good luck making it 100% free for everyone.

"Fox is in a bit of a pickle here."

Yeah, I'm almost surprised that they went with this, except that if the word got out that the footage existed, other networks would kick Fox's head in for keeping it quiet.

"Remember all that crazy shit they used to say about Bill Clinton?"

Not really... that was during my media blackout years (don't ask), but I can imagine. I have no illusions about things like that.

HC- I saw an old video of Bill O'Reilly (WITH HAIR!) crying about how much executive power Bill Clinton had. He pretty implied that we were heading to fascism.

Fast forward to 2008 and his constant sad defending of Bush, who blows away any power grabs bill might have tried.

I'm looking forward to seeing Fox go back to being Iconoclasts when Obama wins. Better that than bootlickers. At least the former has a constructive use.

I too wish more people went to college, but good luck making it 100% free for everyone.

Posted by Alexandrite

I think that if school were free then we should make it more demanding, and more difficult to keep from getting thrown out... no more coasting through with C's in most classes and A's in party. Most people who graduate don't deserve the degree they get. They just waste their parents' money and the schools' time and resources.

I'm looking forward to seeing Fox go back to being Iconoclasts when Obama wins. Better that than bootlickers. At least the former has a constructive use.

Posted by Alexandrite

As long as they don't lie to achieve that end, I'd agree.

As long as they don't lie...

Well, this is FOX we're talking about here.

Less than 25 percent of American households consist of nuclear families. Married couples with children now make up 24 percent of all households, compared to 39 percent in 1990.

Actually Fox hasn't released all footage of Jacksons remarks. I caught the tail end of O'Reilly rerun early this a.m.... they have not aired the whole clip.He said it was pretty bad.

Come on Fox...stop censoring yourselves...release the whole thing!

Oh...and by that little chopping motion the rev did...he is pissed!
Cry all you want...the rev had cred with many blacks.

bj -Facts are, coming from a dual parent home is better than single parent home. /bj

Never said this was not a fact but find it strange you read that I have. So you don't read so fine, must be a product of that no child left behind.

As I stated to San, percentage in the situation is nothing but basic bigotry at its finest.

Poverty is poverty, and to separate how the issue is addressed is idiotic. Maybe we should tell all those WHITE single mothers to eat shit because they are part of the larger population and their percentages are lower.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-07-10 08:10 AM

Again with the willful ignorance, you said this:
We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households `Obama

So what, we know that more than half of all white children live in single-parent households.

You said, so what?? And then you follow it up with a patently false claim of white children that live in single parent households?

The FACT is Obama is addressing a huge problem in the BLACK community. Sure it's a problem in the white community too, but it is a MUCH GREATER problem in the black community. But you would rather not face that FACT because it isn't pretty, or isn't politically correct, or you came from a single parent household, I don't know.

But you have issues son, and it isn't a matter of my reading comprehension.

All people should get into college for free - Moneywar

Of course!

everything should be free. 'Common man' shouldn't have to pay for anything.

I bet Jesse meant "cut his nuts off" in the most endearing and respectful way. And O does talk down to blackie.

This is typical of all the race haters (REV "Cut off his nuts" Jackson and Al "Give me money or well boycott your store" Sharpton), they find themselves being pushed to the side by Obama and forced to appear on FOX only to put their foot in their mouth. The funny thing is its ok because hes black he can say what ever he wants about other blacks, but let any non-black say anything that could be considered by some as talking bad about blacks and they are labeled a racist.

How many times are we going to give this man and others like him a national podium to stand and talk about race relations in this country, when they have done nothing to improve them but only stir the pot when it will provide them free face time on national TV.

Stir it up!!! Stir it up!!!

Keep it going!!!

-Jackson is perturbed because Obama is in the process of making Jackson irrelevant politically in the overall black community, something many years too late in happening. -TR

It must be getting awfully crowded under Obama's bus, what with all the ex-iconic liberals down there. Clintons, Jacksons, Wilson-Plames, RFK, Jr.

Jackson and others have previously noted that Obama has really taken little interest in specifically black issues in the past; has made none of them his own..... except to listen to his Pastor rant about whitey.

Go Hillary!!!!!!!

ALEXANDRITE SAID

Fast forward to 2008 and his constant sad defending of Bush

proof positive that you dont really listen to him because I do and it is impossible to use the word...constant in this post. there are plenty of times when bush gets it from bill just as there are on the other talk shows on the raddieo..............

The sound bites of those two idiots attacking each other only few months ago will have every Dem doing cartwheels til November

Posted by AngelofTRUTH at 2008-07-10 08:32 AM

You can't be serious . Or do you have a touch of lefty alzheimer's?

The FACT is Obama is addressing a huge problem in the BLACK community. Sure it's a problem in the white community too, but it is a MUCH GREATER problem in the black community.

"The devestation that the 'War on Poverty' has wrought on the black community is utterly tragic."

Posted by JeffJ

This is classic post hoc fallacy; as much as saying that Christmas happens every year because people go to the mall and buy gifts in the weeks leading up to Dec 25.

Let's blame everything on someone/thing else. It'll make us feel less irresponsible.

Fact!

Posted by James_Dean at 2008-07-09 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag

JAMES DEAN is a DOUCHE BAG.

FACT!

I think TAXMAN is the one with a crush on the coon obama and probably jackson the bugeyed mongoloid as well, probably blowing both of them

"probably blowing both of them.

Posted by Badeye at 2008-07-10 04:31 PM"

That's your job, dickface.

The FACT is Obama is addressing a huge problem in the BLACK community. Sure it's a problem in the white community too, but it is a MUCH GREATER problem in the black community.

And what community is the white community, bill gates?

You address this like a tourist visiting the United States, they see New York and Chicago and go back home claiming they saw the United States.

Personally I believe this thing was a political stunt designed to make Obama look better to white people. I believe that Jackson and the Obama camp cooked this up together.

Why else would Jackson apologize for something before Fox had even decided to air it. His apology was designed to force Fox to air it.

Magic Negro

Exactly. Or, as I suggest elsewhere, the Murdochs agreed NOT to give it Big Air Time because nothing would work more in O'Bama's favor with Fox viewers than Jackson criticism. herm

Actually, Fox approached both camps to let them know they would be airing it. That's why Jackson went to CNN with a preemptive apology.

So FOX is basically working on raising sympathy for Barak Obama? I guess Rupert finally figured iut Hillary wasn't going to be President. Even the uber-rightrag the NYPost, formerly a big fan of Senator Clinton was hammering Jesse, to Obama's benefit...

Now jack$on wants all libs to get their nuts removed,I thought they already had. obama wants us to learn spanish, because he has absolutely no intention in removing the illegal human debris from this country.

God Bless Jesse. If he could only learn to not step on his own dick at every turn he might not be so irrelevant.

God Bless Jesse.

I don't think even god wants anything to do with this one.

If he could only learn to not step on his own dick at every turn he might not be so irrelevant.

And if Bush had a brain he'd be a good president.

Well righties, I guess Obama must be OK in your book now if the 'darky' you love to hate (Jasckson) is saying this.

It's a very good day for Obama indeed!

FACT!

Not very Christian, Reverend Jackson.

Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 11:03 pm EST
Rev. Jesse Jackson Endorses Sen. Obama
Posted by JHC in Campaign
The Associated Press reports tonight that Rev. Jesse Jackson has announced that hes backing Democrat Barack Obama in his presidential bid, giving his support to a new generation of black politicians.

From the article:

He has my vote,-- the Rev. Jackson told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

In a statement responding to Jacksons support, Obama said, This campaign has been about giving hope since Day One and I am proud to have the support of my friend Jesse Jackson. It is because people like Jesse ran that I have this opportunity to run for president today.--

Jackson could help Obama to secure the support of black voters, a critical bloc in the Democratic primaries.

More change you can believe in?

May I suggest that this whole thing was orchestrated? A plan?