when America pulls out, will Iraq get a facial?

We're talking oil, not pickles, stupid.

When the oil is gone we will gladly leave.

Yea, how dare they have OUR oil under THEIR land.

Iraq ia looking at becoming a major player in the world money market off the residuals from the oil concessions and they are chompiong at the bit for us to let them get on with it. Can't blame them for that.

I only want to know when they are gonna repay us for the losses we have incurred. Or is the american taxpayer expected to borne those costs with no benefits?

is the american taxpayer expected to borne those costs with no benefits?

Yes.

Remember, oil doesn't have anything to do with it. We went over there to remove Hitler-lite, spread the blessings of Democracy, and to fight terrorists who hate us for our freedom.

Of course, if the democratically elected sovreign government asks us to leave, it would put McCain's 100-year plan in a bind.

If Iraq decides on a time line for troop withdrawal and their date set is before we think they are ready, do we still leave? Is'nt that exactly what Bush been speaking against. Will Iran and AQ have us needing to return there in the near futrue? If so, then would'nt our leaving be the wrong thing to do. Oh' my bad, Iraq is a soveriegn nation now so we have to listen to them. Unlike when they were a soveriegn nation under Saddam and we did not have to listen to them. No matter how you look at it Bush/McCain blew this whole Iraq thing and now the dollar is weak.

Hey UpsetCitizen if they tell us to leave even if they aren't ready and we don't. That just proves that "Sovereignty in Iraq" is a sham.

Larry

I wonder if he has mentioned this to McSame, whose plan to be there 1000 years would seem to be at variance.

Now waiting for Cons to call Maliki a Commie Liberal traitor.

Whatta ya mean-pull out?
Before dumbass gets his nut off? I don't think so skippy....

Probably one of the main reasons violence is down is that they have a hope that we might leave.

Take away that hope and see what happens.

**** I only want to know when they are gonna repay us for the losses we have incurred. Or is the american taxpayer expected to borne those costs with no benefits?
Posted by Lipzoidial *****

.........repay us ??.........for destroying their country ??........

I can see in my crystal ball that the Iraqi PM will come to a most tragic end....and just as soon as the US Military can arrange it!

LARRY...i guess iraq is not such the puppet government you think it is...hehehehehe

They've said they wanted us Gone long time ago yet we remain. What does THAT tell You??

Larry

AntiCadillac -

I'd put my money on Blackwater et al. They're the ones bringing down the big bucks on this one. It's only a matter of time before they go out and start wars on their own.

Hey AAARGH, great ideal. We can make it like a football game and televise it and we can tailgate and stuff. Like the Running Man.

This weeks war is brought to you by Preparation H, cause you're gonna need it.

Coming up we'll have the opening salvo in the Blackwater Badasses vs the Baghdad Towelheads.

As most of you already know the Badasses have a 10 head advantage but those towelheads have some sneaky spunk and they're looking for revenge, should be fun, stay tuned......

They've said they wanted us Gone long time ago yet we remain. What does THAT tell You??

Larry

IT TELLS ME THAT THEY REALLY NEEDED US...BUT COULD NOT AFFORD TO HAVE US LEAVE....hehehehe

PUPPET GOVERNMENT....that sells liquor in a muslim controlled government.....that was once thought as a theocracy

LARRY YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT IRAQ WANTS OR NEEDS

This is a good sign. I wish the best to both our countries.

I can imagine the horror some of you lefties must be experiencing about now. Remember some of these?

"The war is lost" or "We can't win"

The Democrats were actively trying to end this war without winning it first, trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Come election day, the voters will correctly identify the Democrats as the party of appeasers, whiners, and cowards.

"Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...."

Please define victory in Iraq. Bush would never do it. I can't get PINCHE or FWTHOM to do it. Maybe you will. Just so we can see those jaws in order to sntach better.

Petreus, somewhat to my shock, never really got to employ counter-insurgency tactics in Iraq. That in itself necessarily means he and Bush gave up on winnig there.

What's going on in Iraq now is nothing more than what the Brits and French used to do when they had empires, play native factions off against one another in order to maintain the status quo.

There never was "peace" in the old colonial empires, because there never were "victories". The Sunnis cozy up to us now because they fear the Shia more than they do us.

This wasn't the case until about one year ago, it quite likely won't be the case in future.

You want to see the future of Bush's Iraq, look at Pakistan. That government doesn't have full sovereignty over it's own territory, because they've been bribing the malcontents to keep quiet.

Rumor has it the malcontents send guerilla forces into Afghanistan anyway.

But I'll tell you what, REPUBLICAN4EVER---McCain has the perfect opporunity now to run on a platform of victory in Iraq. Let's see if he has teh courage to even mention the word.

I can imagine the horror some of you lefties must be experiencing about now. Remember some of these?

"The war is lost" or "We can't win"

Iran won, and I don't think two opposing sides can win the same war. Will we be expected to continue bribing the sunnis?
Okay, Bush's friends like Hunt Oil also won.

Mcsame can't win on Iraq-if the Iraqis stand up it justifies Obama's timetable 9and now maliki's), if they don't America is fed up with them failing to do so and a majority want a withdrawl with an even quicker timetable tha Obama's.

Nobody wants McSame's 100 year occupation, except McSame, and even then only on alternate days.

Seems like its more than a floated idea:

BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraq's national security adviser says his country will not accept any deal with the United States unless the agreement sets specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.

Al-Rubaie told reporters Tuesday the country "will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces."

From USA Today....

Meanwhile, violence by nearly every measure is down in Iraq. Al-Maliki said this weekend that terrorists in Iraq were defeated.

Al-Maliki's remarks Monday were made before an Arab audience and may have been designed to bolster his credibility in the region. "Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," al-Maliki told Arab ambassadors during an official visit to the United Arab Emirates, according to Reuters.

Al-Maliki said Iraq and the United States are discussing either plans regarding the "departure of forces" or a timetable to determine that the presence of U.S. forces "will end in a specific time."

The agreement being negotiated by Iraq and the United States would replace the U.N. mandate that expires at the end of this year. It is politically sensitive in Iraq because it will help define Iraq's sovereignty and its level of dependence on the United States in the years to come.

Who knows what the future will bring?

Certainly the people who decided to invade Iraq did not anticipate it going as it did. Then the people who thought "that all was lost" and that the surge would not work did not anticipate that things would go as they are.

If the elected Iraqi gov wants to talk about taking over their country and us getting out, if you ask me, this is a good thing.

Ultimatly isn't this what most of us thought "victory" would look like? Some sort of stable democratic gov in Iraq. A people who can determine their own destiny and not be terrorized by some dictator or religous organization.

If the Iraqis feel they can continue down this path without our help. Then I am all for it.

I was not for going in there to start with, but I felt that once we made a mess of it, we needed to stick around until things were once again stable. Maybe, it is time to get out.

Gives Obama a chance to show that even he doesn't respect Iraqi sovereignty since he's already hedging on his own 16 month timetable.

omg-Haven't the Fighty Rightys been saying if we set a timetable then the terrorists win?

Sounds like Maliki is a terrorist appeaser.

"Ultimately, isn't this what most of us thought victory would look like? Some sort of stable government in Iraq...."

If that's the definition you use, then we were winning when Saddam had power.

You people are just really weird about this stuff. Up is down and black is white. Others pick up on the absurdities but you never seem to.

"A people who can determine their own destiny...."

Back in the day when conservatives were conservatives and not whatever the hell they are now they would have said the Iraqis could always determine their own destiny, it was just a question of will.

**** They've said they wanted us Gone long time ago yet we remain. What does THAT tell You??
Larry *****

......the legal protection of the UN mandate still gave US troops immunity to do anything until Dec 31,2008.......

......when that EXPIRES....and if we do not have a negotiated agreement in place.......our troops will not be able to leave their bases without the possibility of being arrested and charged as criminals........

......additionally....there will be no legal basis for our troops presence anywhere in Iraq.......

......and after the Blackwater debacle....I doubt we will be given immunity to operate in Iraq at all.......

......so McCain's 100 years might be up real soon.....

I visualize the occupied Belgians, Danes and Dutch telegraphing Berlin to ask when the Wehrmacht would go home. I suppose "when every Jewish gold tooth and every oil painting is ours" - however you say that in German - might have been the reply. herm