Two folks read the same article. One reads about the missied opportunities of raising CAFE standards, encouraging alternative sources for energy, etc. and the other just starts whining about how the evil left won't let the oil companies drill in the Anwar. Anwar is really just "Abortion".....a political word designed to change the subject away from the important discussion. The "Anwar" argument isn't one that will help solve the energy problem but is just one that tries to find ways to continue wasting energy.
Just drilling for more oil might supply more oil temporarily but it would just increase the harm that burning all that oil causes. It isn't a solution, it's just a way to increase the problem.

Nanc -- ANWR won't add much to global oil supplies, and will take years to get. But I think the better tack is to work with environmentalists who can help ensure that the extraction and transportation will be done safely. It probably can be done.

In addition, there is probably oil off of California and the Gulf of Mexico and Northeast coasts of the USA. Exploration is probably called for to determine just how much oil exists in these places.

But the worst place to get oil is the Mideast. It's expensive and it's using the world's vast addiction to oil to climb to a place of power in the world.

Combined with the West's addiction to oil, it's frivolous love affair with the transient and temporary, and it's desire to reduce its population to the point of extinction, the West is really giving the keys to its wealth and cultural treasures to the sheiks and islamo-theocrats of the oil-rich world. Give the West 60 or 90 years, and it will be in hock to its eye-teeth to the arabs. That's when the threat of a real Armageddon may eventually hit the world.

Nanc -- My solution to the dark view of a dhimmified West, start now to get off the oil habit; work with every non-muslim nation to determine the threat they feel from future dhimmification, and create an anti-dhimminitude alliance -- No nation that will treat people who have differing religious views unequally should be allowed to engage in free-commerce in the world. Governments and businesses should advocate a secular freedom that does not establish religious preferences.

Next, since there is no freedom of religion in the Mideast, boycott all of those repressive countries what punish others because of their beliefs, and invest in ways to make energy from the wind, sun and moving waters around us, cheap, safe and easily stored and retried. That is the best way to get the oppressive supporters of UBL's ilk to get out of Harrad's and Tiffany's and back into sandy tents isolated at the edge of civilization.

"this is what we owe according to bin hidin, hero to the left. get used to it.'

Sounds like ol' nanc has been into hubbys beer stash already this fine sunday morn.

Oughta be good'n'drunk in time fer the 11am services.

The oil companies and auto manufacturers are responsible for this mess. They should be shut down.

The oil companies and auto manufacturers are responsible for this mess. They should be shut down.

Posted by Jomama at 2008-07-06 03:17 PM | Reply

So are you doing your part? No car, truck, bus or airplane travel. And no products that consume petroleum.

Have you, dumbass, or do you just bitch a lot about everything?

We've got plenty of oil in this country. Every product that contains petroleum can be recycled. Think of all the plastic that goes into our landfills. The other day I read an article about tons of plastic floating off both coasts. Every bottle cap recyclable. So maybe it's time to start dumping the Strategic Reserve as we bottom the price of refined oil at $40 a barrel.

Ethanol has gotten a bad rap because currently we're using corn. That's changing. Solid waste from our sewage plants can be used, among other abundant resources.

How about printing solar panels like newspaper? Read my latest take on all of these technologies.

Let's no forget it was Reagan who had the Solar Panels removed from the WH as these sent the 'wrong message' according to that turd known as Ronnie Raygun.

What 'wrong message' was that?

ALL OUR ENERGY ARE TRAPPED IN HUMAN BODY FAT. AMERICA IS A FAT PEOPLE COUNTRY....

The oil companies and auto manufacturers are responsible for this mess. They should be shut down.

Posted by Jomama

Certainly the auto manufacturers will.

Bush's energy policy for the U.S. wasn't missing after he took the oath of office in January 2001 -- it was hidden. You can find it in the Oval Office's file cabinet under "I" for Iraq.

Don't send your kids to college, it'll take years before they reap any benefits.

Nanc -- My solution to the dark view of a dhimmified West, start now to get off the oil habit; work with every non-muslim nation to determine the threat they feel from future dhimmification, and create an anti-dhimminitude alliance -- No nation that will treat people who have differing religious views unequally should be allowed to engage in free-commerce in the world. Governments and businesses should advocate a secular freedom that does not establish religious preferences.

Next, since there is no freedom of religion in the Mideast, boycott all of those repressive countries what punish others because of their beliefs, and invest in ways to make energy from the wind, sun and moving waters around us, cheap, safe and easily stored and retried. That is the best way to get the oppressive supporters of UBL's ilk to get out of Harrad's and Tiffany's and back into sandy tents isolated at the edge of civilization.

Posted by townncountry at 2008-07-06 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Wel that leaves the United States out. Sighhhhhhh

Larry

I.E. The liberals who stated that the war with japan was an oil war were right all along. Congrats...

LarryMohr:

Can't say as I disagree with you.

So far as our present predicament with oil is concerned, we need to use this opportunity to stop sucking at the oil teat once and for all. As I mentioned here yesterday, not one, but two auto manufacturers have hydrogen cars ready right now. Honda is actually leasing them in California, and BMW's is ready, though not yet released.

It's time to begin cutting Big Oil loose, and it will have many, many benefits. One is that the politics of the Middle East will be much easier to deal with if we're not worried about getting cut off every time we say diddly-squat over there.

Another benefit is that American automakers could be hugely revitalized by a switch to hydrogen. People would both want and need new cars to take advantage of cheaper, renewable fuel. I'd personally take this to the extreme of giving tax credits for hydrogen production, and taxing the shit out of gasoline vehicles. I'd also permit no bailouts for ailing manufacturers except to produce hydrogen cars.

We'd also cut down enormously on pollution, of course.

So far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop Big Oil putting its Big Dick up everyone's ass. It's also time to drag our automakers into the 21st century.

I know that there are people in the Bush family who would view all this with no little dismay, because so much of the fambly for-toon revolves around oil. T-double-uff, tough.

Vermin, I don't respond to nonsense like that. Just FYI.

" No nation that will treat people who have differing religious views unequally should be allowed to engage in free-commerce in the world. Governments and businesses should advocate a secular freedom that does not establish religious preferences."

Tell it to the native americans.

"Vermin, I don't respond to nonsense like that. Just FYI."

And why not? He asked if you were putting any of your money where your mouth was, which, given the sweepingness of your statement, was a perfectly legitimate question.

So, are you doing anything substantive to conserve oil and reduce your personal involvement with the very horseshit you decry?

Hmmm?

I would not put money where my mouth is. Most American Currency, 100.00 bills or less, contain trace amounts of cocaine and meth. Any attempt at eating said cash may result in the ejection of my person from my place of employment from failing any random drug tests.

Oh, and poppy seeds bagels. I do not put poppy seed bagels where my mouth is. It's just heroin, you know.

Surprise! Surprise! America is about to solve the energy crisis and propel itself and the world into unprecedented prosperity....

But let me make my tons of money first and I'll come back and say I TOLD YOU SO.

Cheer up America! God's favor is on you and you will see things happening and the prosperity while the next President is still in office.

Oh, I love this nation. But I love more the God who continue to bless America.

God bless America!

Get ready.... and someday SUVs will become popular again when energy crisis is solved and propsperity returns....

You've heard it here.

America, imperfect as you are, millions of your citizens are worshipping and praying to the God of the Bible and He is about to unleash blessings unheard of... its coming.... hang in there....

"Vermin, I don't respond to nonsense like that. Just FYI."

And why not?

His point is that you can't argue with a retard. They just bring you down to their level and they win with experience.

WRONG,

Cheney made very clear his first task was to finally put in place an energy policy and what Cheney wants Cheney gets. It just happens to be a SECRET ENERGY POLICY, courtesy of SCOTUS.

We are now suffering the consequences of Cheney's Energy Task Force. First they practiced on California, then they took down the whole country, and the world with it. Amazing we don't here more complaining in the outside world, other than food riots that is. Profits are still up in Cheney's investments, let the third worlders starve. Let the American middle class collapse, its good for profits. They are far too cowed to do anything about it anyway.

"America, imperfect as you are, millions of your citizens are worshipping and praying to the God of the Bible and He is about to unleash blessings unheard of... its coming.... hang in there...."

Must be library day at th' nervous hospital.

Whore, I've been taking light rail and Amtrak for over 2 years. So, yeah. Verm can suck it.

Whore, I've been taking light rail and Amtrak for over 2 years. So, yeah. Verm can suck it.

idiot. please start being consistent and follow through with your promises.

25? Yep... last guy with any hope to solve the problems got his ass handed to him for working to change things. Shoulda listened to Jimmy.

Again... McCain's Commerce/Transport Committee in the Senate shut deep-sixed every effort to improve CAFE standards. McCain's committee (and his personal vendetta) also squashed any capital investment in Amtrak, so now that the trains are running at standing-room-only, the newest handful of cars (except Acela) are 15 years old, and most are over 30.

If you think Cheney's influence was on the wane, check this out:

" The Bureau of Land Management declared a moratorium on new solar power projects on public land until it studies their potential environmental impact, a process that could take two years and cripple the booming solar industry. Faced with a surge in the number of proposed solar power plants as demand for alternative energy accelerates daily, BLM says it will spend up to two years conducting an extensive study to determine how the solar plants might affect the environment of 119 million acres of public land the bureau oversees in the West, most of which is ideally suited for solar energy.

" "It doesn't make any sense," said Holly Gordon, vice president of Ausra, a California-based solar thermal energy company. "The Bureau of Land Management land has some of the best solar resources in the world. This could completely stunt the growth of the industry."

" The moratorium, combined with the uncertain future of federal solar investment tax credits set to expire at the end of the year because Congress has failed to renew them, could stifle solar industry growth and prevent or delay the creation of thousands of jobs in the process. During 2006-2007, when the tax credit was solidly in place and the BLM was calling for projects to be approved in a "timely manner," the solar installation boom generated 6,000 new jobs and injected $2 billion into the U.S. economy.

" Due to BLM's decision to shelve new proposals until they finish the study, small solar energy businesses may be forced to turn to more expensive private land for development, adding another barrier to the rapid deployment of viable alternative energy sources."

Takeshitz,

Fuck SUVs, such ugly wastes of metal. I'd like to see this country become more bike-friendly, among many other things I'd like to see. Too many asshole drivers (especially the ones in the SUVs) on the road. It's often faster to bike to places in Chicago than it is to take the bus or drive.

I think Bushling plan involved ricewater and candy... after that he ran out of ideas.

THE DR LEFT READS THE ARTICLE AND TRIES TO BLAME BIG OIL AND AUTO MANUFACTORER'S. Do you dufus heads know anything? That is obvious you do NOT.

"Much of what we're seeing today could have been prevented or ameliorated had we chosen to act differently," says Pete V. Domenici, the ranking Republican member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee and a 36-year veteran of the Senate. "It was a bipartisan failure to act."

GET IT SHIT HEADS, oh that's right you don't. IF you had read the article, you might realize there is no "villian" here there are simple economic truths. When oil was ten bucks a barrel in 1999 what incentive was there to find more, say at a cost of $35-$55 a barrel (deep water wells)??? When asked to open ANWR, why bother? By sticking the countries collective heads in the sand we missed chances to INCREASE OIL PRODUCTION.

Why is there never any comprimise on this site or in this country anymore? We must develop new energy sources but also drill for more oil now to get us thru the 20 to 30 year period until new tech. catches up. H powered cars would be great but we are years away from a distribution system. With the physco's on the far left and the right us people in the middle get left holding their pile of shit.

MISSING: AMERICAN ENERGY POLICY. SORRY, YOU DEMOCRATES CAN'T DUCK THIS ONE. YOU AND YOUR GREEN FRIENDS HAVE REALLY SCREWED MIDDLE AMERICA THIS TIME. If the democrates had any guts they would tell the green scum bags to back off. Of course it's difficult when you have a yellow strip down your back.

Here is the real problem:

You're such an ass ozwald. If you think that we can expand drilling then ask Goatman about the demand in the drilling end of the business. They don't have enough rigs, and can't build them fast enough to explore the areas already under lease.

And I don't think any rational person thinks a gas tax holiday does much of anything. $3.899 at the pump and we should be excited to see an 18 cent drop to $3.719? It's a pander and will never get through Congress because that money goes to paving roads and repairing bridges.

Obama's plan is to push alternatives. If you'd read my article posted above then you'd know that it isn't just some greenies involved in going away from petroleum. GM is backing cellulosic ethanol, and major investors like the Walton family are investing in thin film solar. Nanosolar's first contract for a 100 MW solar powered electric plant is going to Germany.

And we have millions of tires and millions of tons of plastic that can be recycled. Why import any more than we have to? Americans of all stripes are inherently frugal, as well as inventive. I think it's a good time to start pulling in the same direction.

But you're too ignorant to see how this works, so why don't you STFU.

As our politics shift with the economy, especially oil prices, alternative energy projects in this country are built and destroyed. Some consistency in policy would save us a ton of money. Instead, guns and fake econmic theories drive policies.

We used to be the land of many bargains, and still enjoy lower gas prices than most Western Nations. But housing and health care are off the charts. Gasoline and Real Estate drive the cost of everything else. They're special and require stability to maintain our prosperity.

This period in time, that is, the years of the GW Bush administration, will be known in future history books as:

"The Great Boning of America"

Libs love Centralized Planning like in the former Soviet Union. When given instuctions to make 5000 pounds of nails, one factory produced one huge 5000 pound nail because it was easier to do. When ordered by the Central Planning Comittee to produce 10000 shoes, another factory made 10,000 left footed shoes because the cut-out pattern made it easier to produce.

The above are examples of what we will get from a "governmrnt energy policy" favored by libs. This is why we haven't built a nuclear power plant since the 1970s, why we are subsidizing stupid corn ethanol, and why we have not drillng in Anwar and off-shore.

Centralized planning, national energy policies are not the solution, they are the problem.

"Why is there never any comprimise on this site or in this country anymore? We must develop new energy sources but also drill for more oil now to get us thru the 20 to 30 year period until new tech. catches up. H powered cars would be great but we are years away from a distribution system."

No, we are not. This country can build anything it needs for profit-making infrastructure, quite quickly. Think how fast Starbucks popped up all over the place, with their regimented architecture and specialized equipment. Now, hydrogen is not going to be that easy, not by a long shot, but the instant Corporate America sees that hydrogen is where the money is, then hydrogen infrastructure we shall have, pronto.

Think how routinely America replaces whole airports. Think of the cell network twenty years ago, with crackly, spotty coverage- which is now a very smooth, cheap, reliable utility instead of a luxotoy for the rich.

We can do hydrogen if we want. And if the Big Oil interests so firmly entrenched in our gummint allow it.

America, imperfect as you are, millions of your citizens are worshipping and praying to the God of the Bible and He is about to unleash blessings unheard of... its coming.... hang in there....

Posted by takitez at 2008-07-06 07:53 PM

dude buy a lottery ticket... its a better bet.

And don't forget to take your medicine!

gimme mine now, fuck the future

"Cheney's Head: An Explanation"
By Calvin Trillin

(This appeared in the June 24, 2002 edition of The Nation.)

One mystery I've tried to disentangle:
Why Cheney's head is always at an angle.
He tries to come on straight, and yet I can't
Help notice that his head is at a slant.
When Cheney's questioned on the Sunday shows,
The Voice of Reason is his favorite pose.
He drones in monotones. He never smiles--
Explaining why some suspects don't need trials,
Or why right now it simply stands to reason
That criticizing Bush amounts to treason,
Or which important precept it would spoil
To know who wrote our policy on oil,
Or why as CEO he wouldn't know
What Halliburton's books were meant to show.
And as he speaks I've kept a careful check
On when his head's held crooked on his neck.
The code is broken, after years of trying:
He only cocks his head when he is lying.

Actually, for an important topic like national Energy Policy, and for an Administration that assured the nation that it was commited to developing new sources of energy, this administration has pursued the oddest Energy Policy conceivable.

Here are a few great articles from ont of the world's leading analysts of resource scarcity and international affairs, michael klare:

Or which important precept it would spoil
To know who wrote our policy on oil,

FF fer Calvin Trillin via T&C.

national energy policies are not the solution

We wouldn't have ANY nuke power plants if it wasn't for the Manhattan Project, and a green light from Eisenhower. And the reason we don't have more is that private companies operating those plants lacked the necessary diligence. It wasn't the hippies who shut down nuclear - it was middle class moms and pops who supported a moratorium because of safety concerns.

OIL companies aren't even drilling on the leases they have...
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Those leases don't necessarily pertain to proven oil fields. ANWR is proven. It would be more efficient to tap a known resource instead of blindly poking through old leases that may or may not produce oil.