the members of the riaa need to get teabagged
asap

this is just evidence that some industries can't compete as corporate entities.

If they were just happy with making an honest living, that would be one thing, but they have to compete with every widget manufacturing corporation on the planet in order to keep investment money from going to halliburton... or walmart or wherever.

And WTF is the RIAA complaining about? the free publicity they get? These people really have giant f'ing juevos. I know first hand, I used to work in the legal department of one of their member companies.

Seems to Me that when a Radio Station plays an artists music they are advertizing the work.

Larry Mohr

plus isn't pay for play illegal???

First, the RIAA rapes people selling CD's at 2-3 time the price of vinyl, even though the cost of production is about the same, in many cases made in the exact same factory.
Then, they get their collective asses handed to em, financially, by illegal downloading/filesharing.
So what do they do? They start suing 15 year old kids to prove a point.
All they had to do was get on board with downloads from the beginning and everyone would be happy.

plus isn't pay for play illegal???

Posted by klifferd

I think that's the other way around with labels paying the stations... good old fashioned payola... which still goes on today.

Seems to Me that when a Radio Station plays an artists music they are advertizing the work.

Posted by LarryMohr

You better believe it... if the stations, mostly corporate whores themselves, really had the nerve, they'd open up their stations to the thousands of artists, first rate artists, across the country that would sell their first born to get played on a station in even the tiniest market.

Finally maybe the RIAA will be seen for the over-reaching douches they really are... sucking all the life out of music and selling it back to us as product.

Do you know what else is piracy?

When you remember a song and you "play" it in your mind wihtout buying the CD or track on the net. In fact, even if you buy the CD or track, if you want to listen to it again, you have to buy it again, otherwise it's piracy too.

I am committting piracy now because I am remembering a song I heard on the radio and not buying it.

Public libraries engage in piracy.

Sincerely,
Barnes and Noble

Public libraries engage in piracy.

FF.

Public libraries engage in piracy.

Sincerely,
Barnes and Noble

Sadly, writers have been demanding extra payment from libraries for some time now.

RIAA should quit while it's ahead.

Without these broadcasts there would be no interest generated in these artists to begin with, and no record sales to follow.

Talk about killing the golden goose.

Sadly, writers have been demanding extra payment from libraries for some time now.

Posted by northguy3 at 2008-06-26 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag

For real?

That's crazy. If the book is paid for once, why can't it be shared as long as no money is trading hands?

I remember there used to be these places called 'CD Warehouse' in FL and all they did was sell used CD's that others had sold to the store. They were driven out of business by the RIAA citing 'Piracy'.

Seems to me that if I buy a CD and then want to sell it because it blows chunks (or for ANY reason), then I should be able to do so and whoever buys it, that person should then be able to do the same.

Common,

In today's world greed rules. If an artist can extrort a small payment every time their work is viewed, heard or read in addition to the payment when it is purchased they will do it.

The RIAA is losing millions to internet downloads and they cannot stop it. They tried to stop the services and failed, next they tried to stop the users and are failing horribly.

Instead of focusing on producing music the public will want to buy and giving these so called artists a reality check that maybe they are not worth what they think they are they instead will attack the radio stations. Then they will cry foul when radio stations fold and they lose their free advertising.

Boo fucking hoo.

Hey the crap they are pushing on the world is not worth 1% what they demand.

CS: The idea is that if 20 people borrow the book, that's 19 less sales. I think there's already some sort of royalty payment set up through the American Library Association, including no royalty fees for individual photcopying.

CS: The idea is that if 20 people borrow the book, that's 19 less sales. I think there's already some sort of royalty payment set up through the American Library Association, including no royalty fees for individual photcopying.

Posted by northguy3 at 2008-06-26 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

North, I realize why they do it but I'm just disgusted at the idea that what used to be a hub of learning and knowledge is now being viewed by big business as a threat.

I'm sure someone will be along to tell us that public libraries are an unnecessary, liberal concept that creates free-loaders.

Jusr wait until they start hiring "piracy scouts" in malls and such. One of them will hear you use a phrase like "Let's get ready to rumble", and they hand you a ticket.

It seems funny that not that long ago, record companies were paying radio stations to play their songs, knowing that that is one of the best ways to get their product heard.
These stations should just stop playing any song on any label that is a member of the RIAA and start just playing independent artists. See who gets the last laugh then.

I think the radio stations should get together and have a 90 day oldie goldie protest-play nothing current and stop promoting concerts etc.

I'm betting the RIAA would start watching the CDS stack up and come to their senses.

These stations should just stop playing any song on any label that is a member of the RIAA and start just playing independent artists. See who gets the last laugh then.

Posted by TFDNihilist

That's what I was saying upthread...

some products just don't fit into the corporate business model where profits have to always increase, not just stay respectable, out of fear that investors will put their money somewhere else.

and stop promoting concerts etc.

that only hurts artists. labels make nothing off of concerts or merchandise.

to support a band or artist, see them when they come through town. and if you have the money, buy a shirt.

Does the RIAA think people buy albums that nobody has ever heard before?

Yeah, maybe when U2 comes out with something new some people buy it without hearing any of it first but that's a real rarity. And the only leverage the labels have over a band like that is that they can always be replaced with the next cool thing. Kill radio and you kill the RIAA.

I'm usually a big fan of self destructive spitefulness but in this case the RIAA is just moronic.

I thin we all know who the Pirates really are now!

The Rich CEO's (The Haves) that would hold us all hostage and try to Blackmail us at each and every chance they can to squeeze every last little dime out of us "Have Nots"!

RIAA are the Pirates! Robbing every Have Not in sight!

When will the Pirates learn? The business environment has changed, the technology is changing and they better adapt or they will go extinct. Like so many businesses (and creatures, sadly) before them.

The music industry's business model has changed. Million dollar recording studios are no longer needed. Nor are distribution networks. Technology and the internet replaced them some time ago. The CD now promotes the tour not the other way round. The money to be made is in ticket, t-shirt and beer sales not in studio recordings. An increasing amount of bands now sell the evening's show minuets after the performance. The RIAA is obsolete. But for some reason they don't know that.

The RIAA is a mafia organization. What exactly do these fucks do that is a benefit to anyone??? They rake in ooooodles of cash and that seems to be about the only thing they're interested in.

The music industry is the only business where stealing it's product is called "sharing" (by the thieves).

the RIAA will be the death of music as we know it.

I no longer buy music anymore. I just listen to the radio. If they're forced to pay royalties it will be the death of music as we know it.

igmoramus

it's not stealing. it's copyright infringement.

pragmatous

I suggest using Pandora (www.pandora.com) to find new music and artists. you put in artists you like, and it finds you music that is similar that you might also like.

there are plenty of independent labels and artists out there. the death of the RIAA will be nothing more than a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted trajectory.

Just gotta chime in here...

The RIAA tried to come after me for Town Park Radio (seriously.. me and my what... 2 listeners average.. five tops?) and I laughed at them. I sent them back an email stating "Town Park Radio is hosted out of a country where you have no authority. You also have no authority to try to get records from them to figure out where the music they broadcast is coming from. Yes, I own Town Park Radio. No, I do not; and will not, pay royalties based on any standard you set. Sue me if you wish; for I refuse to cease and desist."

It's been going on a year, haven't heard back from them.

*plugs it again*

Town Park Radio! Family-friendly content except occasional lines from Mel Brooks movies! http://www.townparkradio.com

*remembers where this is, and realizes that is lightyears away from the kind of entertainment people on this blog would listen to*

Point is the RIAA is ineffectual. I freely admit I'm technically "stealing". I also freely admit Town Park is operated at a 100% cost loss to me. Even if they DO sue me.. does that mean they get a share of my.. losses? If they get their way, recording a song off the radio becomes illegal. (Actually, it technically already is) The RIAA will not be the death of music; they'll just continue to be annoying for a few more years, then finally fade all the way out.

do people still listen to the raido for music?

how quaint.

enjoy the adverts.

XM and SIRIUS is radio ya dork.

"do people still listen to the raido for music?

how quaint.

enjoy the adverts."

I agree...

Pandora is great!

oooo pandora ... interesting

pragmatous:
thanks for sharing.

i don't listen to either of those as well.

RIAA are a bunch of greedy fucktards.

The assholes demanding more coin from Libraries can go DIAF after they STFU.

"love of money is the root of all evil"

Be Well.

The only "adverts" I hear on k-jazz is the occaisional "member drive". Public radio still exists.

The only "adverts" I hear on k-jazz is the occaisional "member drive". Public radio still exists.

Public radio still exists.

Posted by Jomama

As does college radio.

My point was XM and SIRIUS don't have advertisements and it's radio. That makes your statement false.

Are you serious that you didn't catch onto that?

pragmatous:
thanks for sharing.

i don't listen to either of those as well.

You guys are missing the point of the article. IF the riaa gets their way every radio broadcaster will have to pay royalties for every song they play.

This includes XM, SIRIUS, college radio, public radio, and probably internet radio soon also. This will make MOST radio stations bankrupt. This will force college radios to shut down. This will raise the cost of satellite radio prices. It will be the end of music as we know it.

Of course that is how i see it. Not necessarily what's going to happen because clearly I'm not a psychic. It's called speculation where yes I could be wrong.

"Public radio still exists.

Posted by Jomama

As does college radio"

"It will be the end of music as we know it."

You know, I'm ok with that. Bo-Didly got shafted his whole life by sleazy record label lawyers. Music will never die. People will always strive to express themselves though sound.

You guys are missing the point of the article. IF the riaa gets their way every radio broadcaster will have to pay royalties for every song they play.

This includes XM, SIRIUS, college radio, public radio, and probably internet radio soon also. This will make MOST radio stations bankrupt. This will force college radios to shut down. This will raise the cost of satellite radio prices. It will be the end of music as we know it.

Internet Radio already has to pay a fee. Some of them get away with it by being under the radar and not advertising their streams, but if they want to make any money off of it, or just recoup the costs of bandwidth and hardware, they have no choice but to pay the fee.

Last year, the Copyright Royalty Board wanted to increase the fee's by 30% retroactively. This would have put most small internet radio stations out of business. One of the stations I used to stream while I was working ended up being absorbed into a larger station that could handle the increase in fees.

and stop promoting concerts etc.

that only hurts artists. labels make nothing off of concerts or merchandise.

to support a band or artist, see them when they come through town. and if you have the money, buy a shirt.

This isn't true. Alot of labels also own merchandising divisions. If a band signs to sony their shirts are made by sony signatures. The new thing is all incusive contracts like Madonna signed that include show and cd revenue from the same company.

"It will be the end of music as we know it."

No it will be the end of the RIAA. Radio Stations will switch to non RIAA artists. Sure there will be listener drop offs initially, but once all stations drop the RIAA no one will care if the artists they hear are indy or RIAA.

I am sick of the douchebag mega artists anyhow. None of their music is fresh, just rehashed crap of their earlier releases.

The most retarded release I have ever seen is a "greatest hits of greatest hits" cd. Who the fuck was the genius who thought that crap up?

Zappa hated these "suits," as he called them.

I don't understand you guys...

Don't you guys get it? No one wants to pay for music anymore. Everyone wants to get it free from the net.

Let me ask you - if you created a product and put it out there and everyone just shared it freely without paying you, how would you feel?

Now I don't agree with many of the RIAA's tactics like suing grandmothers because their grandkids downloaded songs from the internet, but these guys do have a point.

If no one is paying, why should they produce it? Every company has the right to charge for its product.

BTW, XM and Sirius do pay royalties to play music. Only the NAB stations do not. Interesting how the NAB is focused on holding up the XM/Sirius merger.

Let me ask you - if you created a product and put it out there and everyone just shared it freely without paying you, how would you feel?

If it was the crap product that the RIAA pushes off as art I would be ashamed to charge for it.

Now I don't agree with many of the RIAA's tactics like suing grandmothers because their grandkids downloaded songs from the internet, but these guys do have a point.

If no one is paying, why should they produce it? Every company has the right to charge for its product.

The RIAA does not produce nor promote any of the music they are suing people over. They are, however, profiting from their actions.

The musicians they represent haven't been cut a check.

As for producing a product and having noone pay for it, look at Linux.

Whether RIAA likes it or not, there will always be someone pushing pirated music. There were mix tapes and dubs before the Compact Disc became so prevalent. The record companies have been unable to adapt. More interested in increasing their profits instead of putting out music people want to hear.

If I really like an artist, I'll buy their CD, but that's after I download it and give it a listen.

I guess we should be happy that RIAA hasn't pushed really hard to be like a software EULA. If they did, you'd need 2 or 3 copies of every cd you own. One for the house, one for the car. Don't even think about taking your cd's into a friends car for a road trip.