Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Sunday, June 22, 2008

Alan Fram and Eileen Putman, AP: "Midwestern levees are bursting. Polar bears are adrift. Gas prices are skyrocketing. Home values are abysmal. Air fares, college tuition and health care border on unaffordable. Wars without end rage in Iraq, Afghanistan and against terrorism. ... Maybe this is what the 21st century will be about -- a great unraveling of some things long taken for granted."

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I kind of wonder though, would these feelings of everything is on the wrong track, and helplessness exist if not for this information overload time that we live in, 3 major 24/7 news networks, news from all over the world at our finger tips... And then throw on top of it the standard, "If it bleeds, it leads," we are pounded all the time with bad and depressing news.

If we could shut it off, I wonder if we'd feel differently...

I think you are right, rob. In fact, I don't feel that way, unlike a lot of the chicken littles on this blog. I'm generally a happy and optimisitic person. I think not owning a TV has a lot to do with it.

If we could shut it off, I wonder if we'd feel differently...

We probably would. Think I'll tune everything out now and just go and read.

In fact, I don't feel that way, unlike a lot of the chicken littles on this blog. I'm generally a happy and optimisitic person. I think not owning a TV has a lot to do with it.

Posted by goatman


For the most part I am too... (I could never give up TV though) but I have to admit that I've caught myself thinking at times that things are going really bad... Watch a movie like "V For Vendetta" or "Children of Men" (TV has been boring and I've been hitting up OnDemand a lot) and think to myself, yeah, that could happen... the soceital breakdown and anarchist stuff, not fighters in costumes, or no more babies... I think a lot of it has to do with the influx of terrible news from around the globe... Maybe the trick will be to try to find a couple feel good stories everyday... a counterbalance...

Maybe the trick will be to try to find a couple feel good stories everyday... a counterbalance...

That's what's great about the interactive nature of the internet. You don't have to swallow what the networks and the corporations who hold their reins spoon feed the masses.

What's scary though that negativity is part of a feedback loop that may culminate in the Pygmalion effect. Hopefully there will be enough well adjusted people on the planet to offset the likes of celisary and redneckville of the world who see nothing but evil.

AP? Shoot yourself and end the misery, assholes.

rob, i've put up a post quite similar to this at one of my blogs. you're not remiss in your take.

all is as it should be at this point in time.

there is no thing new thing under the sun.

as in the days of noah.

Noah my ass. What a crap-load of nothing you bring to the table, Cranc.

have you heard yourself babbling, brookejomama?

if i bring nothing to the table then you would be extremely safe in ignoring me - try it.

...unless you're scared, jomamasofatifshejumpsupintheai
rshegetsstuck!

what are you so afraid of that you'd attack a kind and loving person such as myself, jomamasofargedupshehadyou?

whaaaaa????

Hey as long as I got My Dad I have it made in the shade.

Larry Mohr

2 thessalonians 2.

hosea 4:6 - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

larry - do you mean THE DAD?

Huh Nanc??

larry - you're the one who said "my dad". do you mean the BIG GUY or your dad?

The Guy who shot My Mom up with Goo so I could enter this world brand new. That's who. Does that clarify things Nanc?? I hope I didn't offend You.

Larry Mohr

larry - do you mean THE DAD?


Huh Nanc??

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-06-22 12:45 AM


I think Nanc is talking about the Big Daddy in the Sky.
You know - GOD

I think Nanc is talking about the Big Daddy in the Sky.
You know - GOD


I hate to speak for Larry, but I assumed he was talking about his biological father. Having read his posts for a while, I know he holds a great deal of respect for his parents.

no, you didn't offend me.

FINALLY got one correct and was Intellectually Honest Goatman. Yes My parents did the very best with the "Material" that they received. I was more blessed than they were. THAT is for certain.

Larry Mohr

icanhascheezburger.com

Lolcats...how bad can a world be with funny captions over cat pictures?

all is as it should be at this point in time.

there is no thing new thing under the sun.

as in the days of noah.

Posted by nanc


I agree...

Noah got to be one of the participants in surviving the flooding of Atlantis:>)

ps See Christian Taylor Cadwell's "Romance in Atlantis" for other survivors...

www.amazon.co.uk

If Nanc were also here, I'd make some popcorn.

The Guy who shot My Mom up with Goo so I could enter this world brand new.

Larry a crack baby? That explains a lot.

Ah, things aren't so bad. Jan. 20, 2009 is less than 215 days away. How much worse could things get in that time?

Hey, Christians want an apocalypse. What are they complaining about?


........we are living in a failing empire.........

.......so it may seem that things are spinning out of control, they are certainly spinning out of OUR control.........but to the benefit of others......

.......bad leadership can do that to a country......the Zimbabwe effect.......we are living through it........

......if the quality of our leadership remains constant.....I predict that our quality of life will level to just a bit above Mexico's in 20 years........


Hey, Christians want an apocalypse. What are they complaining about?

Posted by Ray

FF

Jesus will save all those decomposed bodies in all 'em caskets, too (especially those built by my namesake owner of Elgin Caskets ~ casket that currently houses one of JFK's bodies:>)at his second coming ~ for sure!

here's one of his archangels looking for BB to save him!

www.cnn.com


In the event, those bodies won't be decomposed. In regards to End Times, Christ described them as unprecedented in unpleasantness. However, few if any will be alert enough to note the signs of the times.

However, few if any will be alert enough to note the signs of the times.

Got gold?

I haven't been summoned into municipal court yet to explain why I'm a Christian, so I'm not all that worried about End Times yet.

I imagine that experience would be very much like certain episodes of the "Twilight Zone", where they shout "Obsolete!"

Right now, the only persons that shout "Obsolete!" at me inhabit this blog.


If we could shut it off, I wonder if we'd feel differently...

I did shut it off. Though originally, my reason was only because the tv was broken. I just never bought a new one. That was about 4 or 5 years ago.

I read one or two different news sites. This is the only one that deals with politics, religion and world events. The others are technology news sites like ars technica. I only listen to the radio occasionally.

So, to answer your question. Yes, you will feel more differently. If my brother and I are listening to NPR on the way to work, we might have a 20 minute discussion about some topic, but past that, nothing.

I still think the government and politicians are crooked, but it doesn't ruin my day when your bush's or your clintons or your obama's say something really stupid. I laugh and move along.

I used to be an idealist. I used to think that one man could make a difference, but I was fooling myself. If anything, the events of the past few years have calmed me down and helped me realize that the world is too big for one guy to change.

It is what it is.


all is as it should be at this point in time.

there is no thing new thing under the sun.

as in the days of noah.

Yep. I mean with the end-times coming, you guys should be jumping for joy.

Who among your kind will be the next to predict the second coming?

Pat Robertson? He likes predicting things. Plus, he has super strong legs!

I haven't been summoned into municipal court yet to explain why I'm a Christian, so I'm not all that worried about End Times yet.

Christian beliefs are under no threat. But you will have to adjust to an impoverished standard of living.

"Who among your kind will predict teh Second Coming....?

My "kind"? OK.

Christ stated any predictions made on this subject would be wrong.

"You guys should be jumping for joy...."

Christ also described a moment just before the End when it would be unambiguous what was happening. He in fact stated we should lift up our heads in anticipation at that point.

"Christian beliefs are under no threat...."

Quite right. At this moment.

Add to the long list of depressing news, the withdrawal of the opposition to Robert Mugabe from Friday's runoff election in Zimbabwe. (See: www.drudge.com)

In regards to End Times, Christ described them as unprecedented in unpleasantness. However, few if any will be alert enough to note the signs of the times.

Posted by Zed


I'm slightly amused...JC describe them bodies decaying in caskets & then rising as he came back for them?

since time is an illusion (maya) anyway at least to some religions ~ one could argue JC (as God's only beggotten son) has always been around ~ so why the parking of dead bodies in caskets if the Soul of dead bodies is imperishable anyway.

Does Soul lose track of its (only one begotten:>)dead body? & keeping it in a casket gives it a place to hang out?

Did you know Penthouse magazine...or was it Oui? well, one of them did an article on weighting live bodies quite a few years back & then right after moment of death ~ that same body & noticed a weight difference...

Is that weight difference a tethered Soul?

(be quiet Ray!!!)

Bani---You're getting into a discussion I've attempted to have with Zat but he's always been too strange or fearful to engage in.

Understanding what we seem to know about time, all people everywhere are still alive someplace.

Take care of your fascination with decay?

But it doesn't matter. Christ could be assumed to have decayed while entombed. Then He was not entombed or decayed. As Paul asked: "Why do you consider it impossible that that God raises the dead?"

Not at all....just why have caskets at all, ZED?

Seems to me to be really, really, really, really stupid:>)


ps realllylllllyylllyyyl!!!

"Why have caskets at all, Zed...."

Because people die, Bani, and bodies do decay. That's the way this life is ordered. You think that's the only way it COULD be ordered. You think I suffer from too much imagination. To me it's obvious you don't have near enough.

"Why do you consider it impossible that that God raises the dead?"

nothing is impossible, I suppose...

ZOMBIE MOVIE DATA-BASE

www.trashvideo.org

We won't be Zombies, Bani. In the next life I think we'll ask ourselves in regards to the new reality: "Of course. This is all so obvious I'm amazed we missed understanding it".

Because people die, Bani, and bodies do decay. That's the way this life is ordered. You think that's the only way it COULD be ordered. You think I suffer from too much imagination. To me it's obvious you don't have near enough.

Posted by Zed


you insult my immagination IQ? (LOL)

Because I called you stupid for believing in caskets for an omniscient being (JC) to find dead bodies to raise them, when an omniscient
being maybe doesn't need a casket to find tethered Souls...

I know you are able to get pass that dogma for you are smarter than that:>)

"I called you stupid...."

Did you? I failed to notice.

God doesn't need anything I'm aware of, Bani. People do caskets for people reasons.

I just loaned my copy of "Jouney of Souls" written by a former agnostic/atheist in 1994 to a classmate of my brother HS yesterday...


When Dr. Newton, a certified Master Hypnotherapist, began regressing his clients back in time to access their memories of former lives he stumbled onto a discovery of enormous proportions: that it is possible to "see" into the spirit world through the mind's eye of subjects who are in a hypnotized or superconscious state. Moreover, clients in this altered state are able to describe what their soul was doing between lives on Earth.

In Journey of Souls, Dr. Newton narrates and comments upon the progressive "travel log" of 29 of his clients who movingly described what happened to them between their former reincarnations on earth. They revealed graphic details about how it feels to die, who meets us right after death, what the spirit world is really like, where we go and what we do as souls, and why we choose to come back in certain bodies.

Finding one's place in the spirit world initiates a deep process of healing for it provides understanding of the purpose behind significant life choices, and how and why your soul - and the souls of those you love - lives eternally. After reading Journey of Souls, you will gain a better understanding of the immortality of the human soul...and you will meet day-to-day personal challenges with a greater sense of purpose as you begin to understand the reasons behind events in your own life.

Table of Contents


Death and Departure

Gateway to the Spirit World

Homecoming

The Displaced Soul

Orientation

Transition

Placement

Our Guides



The Beginner Soul

The Intermediate Soul

The Advanced Soul

Life Selection

Choosing a New Body

Preparation for Embarkation

Rebirth


www.spiritualregression.org

ps no caskets needed here apparently...lol

Quite right. At this moment.

Posted by Zed at 2008-06-22 10:39 AM

I wouldn't rule that out. In that case, nobody is safe. Most of the people on this site have the naive belief that our government is their friend when it is their enemy. More dangerous and vicious than any foreign power.

To use words from your post NANC
hosea 4:6 - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,

Enough with Christianity.

Christians claim to be free, while living nothing but lifelong slavery to Hebrew superstition in hopes of "going to heaven."

You have been played.

"While living nothing but a lifelong slavery...."

Yessa, Massa. We be nothing but slaves.

I'm interested, Bobotto---What are you advocating for here---Lifelong freedom to bed other men's wives? And, if you don't do things like that, what system of slavery has it's hooks into you?

We be nothing but slaves.

In a way. Prisoners of your own mind.

How else would you explain your belief that there is a supreme master to whom you must pay obeisance to?

Everyone serves somebody, Ray.

Look at poor Bobotto here. In a little while he's going to come back and state what a freethinker her is and you and I are going to point out all the unexamined aspects of his beliefs that contradict that.

Everyone serves somebody, Ray.

Posted by Zed at 2008-06-22 01:23 PM

The difference is as a superior, as a co-equal or for monetary compensation. Christianity is clearly founded on a slave-master mentality, a master who is not to be questioned. That's the kind we see in totalitarian governments too.

"Christianity is clearly founded on a slave-master mentality....."

Well, if you're into compensation, that's of course offered.

"Slave-master"? Nah. Father-son or best friend-best friend.

"Christianity is clearly founded on a slave-master mentality"

Just like capitalism. The only difference is that you sometimes get to pick your Master under capitalism.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-06-22 01:45
Oh Christ! I thought you were going to leave me alone. You sick fuck!

mammon can be a master, too...

"Oh Christ! I thought you were going to leave me alone. You sick fuck!"

Get over yourself. I respond to comments, not posters.

"Slave-master"? Nah. Father-son or best friend-best friend.

Posted by Zed at 2008-06-22 01:36

That's the bait. According to your theology, the hook is not to make your "best" friend" angry, or you know what will happen. Christianity tries to have it both ways.

Get over yourself. I respond to comments, not posters.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-06-22 01:51

Get the fuck out of my ass! I'm fed up with you. You're one of the dumbest jerks I know in this site.

I wasn't going to comment further, but now that I see how easy it is get under CrazyRay's skin, I think I'll stick around for a few hours just to annoy him.

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-21 11:21 PM

Hopefully there will be enough well adjusted people on the planet to offset the likes of celisary and redneckville of the world who see nothing but evil.

Great insight, goatman.

There are the opposites, Eros, life, and Thanatos, death.

If we go with Eros, it'd be positively stimulating and an alternative to gloom and doom, the emphasis on negativity.

And then there are the rapidly expanding frontiers of human knowledge to interest those of such a mind as to find such information edifying.

Shucks, if you awaken and are alive and relatively well, it's a good day. To be alive and functioning is a great positive.

I wonder why so many people process "the world" as being so negative. They go out of their way to find things that disturb them even though they don't impinge on their lives. They seem to make things significant in their lives that are peripheral and have no effect on their daily living except for their unseemly and unwarranted agitation.

But I suppose that anyone who posts on this thread chooses to interact with people who are not only unhappy with the world far beyond the bounds of their perception, but pessimistic. Interestingly, they never seem to indicate how all of the adversity brought them through media outlets adversely affects them. I suppose that it may be a device to avoid dealing with their own immediate problems which are relegated to matters of secondary importance.

That's right. I'm crazy. So don't fuck with me asshole!

CrazyRay in action:
static1.firedoglake.com

5 passions that hold one back from self mastery it has been said are:

greed
anger
vanity
lust
attachment

Their opposites are:

contentment
forgiveness, tolerance
humility
dicrimination
detachment

If we could shut it off, I wonder if we'd feel differently...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-21 10:59 PM
Yes, let's stick our heads in the sand and ignore reality and the incompetence of our "leaders" and everything will be just ducky.

Jumped up baldheaded christ in a sidecar.

Hey, Christians want an apocalypse. What are they complaining about?


Please, The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.

I love chaos and turmoil. I love it when everything goes to shit.


Christian apocalypse? Mayan? Why the hell not. One thing it proves to me is what I've believed all along -- NO ONE has a monopoly on the creators will. NO ONE has ownership on prophesy. It comes from somewhere, I'm not spiritual enough to know from where, but I'm not stupid and arrogant enough to say it only comes to those that believe a certain way, and in certain cartoon approximations of a prophet. Yes. Fundamentalists of all stripes are, as far as I'm concerned, not only wrong, but dangerously so.

That said, the world is going through some changes that we, PEOPLE with our wants and needs, are partly responsible for. But, hey, maybe that's all part of that jigsaw puzzle prophesy so many different prophets, from so many different sects and believes, all touched upon. In the meantime -- anyone think the NY football Giants can repeat?


believes=beliefs.
My bad.

And how about them Giants -- still basking in the miracle, I am.

Patriots -- the Bush era, the post 9/11 let's feel good about faux patriotism team.

Giants -- the new era. The underdog, slaying the corporate bunghole machine dressed up in a flag made in China.

Is everything spinning ouy of control?

No more than usual. Shit happens! Don't worry, be happy!

NA does have a few black eyes, especially the states. Let's call it a temporary slump and not "an adjustment period between empires", smile, go to wall mart and hate your political rival more than you love your country...s'all good.

If anyone wants to get a sense of how badly this economy is spinning out of control, bookmark these sites. I read them regularly.

globaleconomicanalysis.blogspo
t.com

http://jsmineset.com/
http://www.321gold.com/

You will not get this kind of information from the MSM.

New Age stuff aside, it has long been my belief that this country is in one long existential funk due to the lawless didoes of the Bush administration. It's also my belief that Nancy Pelosi's stonewalling of impeachment proceedings has exacerbated things to a degree that may become irreversible if not checked by a new administration.

Our laws apply only to regular citizens, not the wealthy and powerful. Our White House has become a symbol for unbridled hubris. Effective legislation to correct existing problems is all but impossible given the current party makeup of Congress; there is a Democratic majority, but it is too slender to fight back against the Rethugs and Bush's vetoes very much.

Because of our partisan, dysfunctional government, we cannot render effective aid when a major American city is all but destroyed. We cannot get American automakers to deliver a high-quality, more energy-efficient product. We cannot stop our jobs from going overseas, we cannot stop our pension funds from being raped, we cannot get fair mortgages. Health care is out of the question for many of us, and food is becoming more of a problem than many people admit.

In my opinion- which, God knows, is anything but humble- we need somehow to break past the barriers imposed by Chancy Nancy Pelosi and impeach this President and bring him to trial. It is the one action that would tell everyone- including ourselves- that America is back in business. We need to go through this administration like a dose of salts, investigating, trying, bringing perpetrators to justice, putting those found guilty in prison. Pelosi's various stymies of those processes accomplish only one thing- to make everyone feel like due process and law don't matter any more. If we cannot restore the confidence in this nation's institutions that has been so woefully undermined by DubyaCo, we are, in my opinion, doomed.

One of the things I'm most worried about at this point is that there has not been a word from Obama about what needs to be done to jump-start confidence in America's political and legal systems. Unless that man can come up with a plan to clean up the Bush mess, electing him will accomplish nothing beyond a few celebratory parties. If he's elected, he'll go into office on January 20th. If there is no hard news about investigations and real, hard-ass change- not speechifying- by April of next year, that's it for Obama. The loss of confidence in America's institutions will continue unchecked, and as everyone who's been at a company in trouble knows, after a certain point, the word on the street becomes grim, unalterable reality.

Impeach. Impeach. Beginning with Pelosi. It is the only way to get this country truly back on track.

New Age stuff aside, it has long been my belief that this country is in one long existential funk due to the lawless didoes of the Bush administration. It's also my belief that Nancy Pelosi's stonewalling of impeachment proceedings has exacerbated things to a degree that may become irreversible if not checked by a new administration.



I know you blame pelosi for not impeaching and all that but this is really all one needs to read to see that you dont know what you are talking about. I know that your post falls right into line with the purpose of the thread which wasnt to enlighten or even entertain, but to blame bush for everything and you forget the rating of the DEMOCRAT CONGRESS.
and as always your version of cooperating, I ASSUME, is we do whatever the left says we should do and those days are long gone.

rather than play this blame game, what about the idea that in this techno world that we have forgotten about people? anyone think that might have something to do with this spinning?

"In my opinion- which, God knows, is anything but humble- we need somehow to break past the barriers imposed by Chancy Nancy Pelosi and impeach this President and bring him to trial. It is the one action that would tell everyone- including ourselves- that America is back in business. We need to go through this administration like a dose of salts, investigating, trying, bringing perpetrators to justice, putting those found guilty in prison. Pelosi's various stymies of those processes accomplish only one thing- to make everyone feel like due process and law don't matter any more. If we cannot restore the confidence in this nation's institutions that has been so woefully undermined by DubyaCo, we are, in my opinion, doomed. "

MaryTylerWhore

In spite of your trashing a Minneapolis Saint by your name, I agree with you very much here ~ except the doomed part for BL2's type of fools will always be with us in this world anyway:>)

MaryTylerWhore,

BushII is an accelerant, not a cause. It is wrong to see the monstrous impending problems as all BushCo's fault. Most of these trends have been in progress for decades and were evident to some a century ago.

But Shrub is unique in his persistent intellectual denial and refusal to adjust policy based on incoming information and his indifference to the suffering of others.



there is no thing new thing under the sun.

as in the days of noah.

Posted by nanc


whack job alert !!!!!

Yeah ...Noah had a big boat. All living things boarded it. If you believe that, then you are one scary squaw.

"were evident to some a century ago"

Jefferson wrote of the "moneyed corporations" so I'd go back at least two centuries.


""I hope we shall...
crush in its birth
the aristocracy
of our moneyed corporations,
which dare already
to challenge our government
to a trial of strength and
to bid defiance
to the laws of their country."
-- Thomas Jefferson,
letter to George Logan. November 12, 1816"

impracticalproposals.blogspot.
com

Actually it's the most profound conundrum I ever encountered in my brief, but fruitful (Tektite II) time studying Social Psychology.

"and as always your version of cooperating, I ASSUME, is we do whatever the left says we should do and those days are long gone."

BLT:

Does "Impeach. Impeach. Beginning with Pelosi," sound like I'm a knee-jerk leftist? There is plenty and I do mean plenty of blame for our present quagmire to go around. The Dems, by not doing everything in their power to break the stranglehold that DubyaCo has on our freedoms and institutions, are just as culpable as anyone on the right.

The fact is that the system is breaking down, which is not a situation that can be dealt with by left vs. right finger-pointing. My call for impeachment is more than just a call to bring Bush to account for his multitudinous misdeeds and malfeasances- it is a call to our leaders to demonstrate, in very practical terms, that our system is going to begin working again. On both your side of the fence and mine.

Nutcase:

I understand perfectly that Bush is an "accelerant, not a cause." But if that accelerant is not dealt with, there is very little hope of getting to the cause, because the cause is unbridled hubris. If the mighty are not properly humbled in the face of their misdeeds, there is no reason to expect future leaders to operate on any other basis. I've said here before that we missed a red-hot opportunity back in '74, when Ford (with what I believe were honorable intentions) pardoned Nixon. If we'd had a mug shot of that scowling blue-chinned jerk to show for the agony of Watergate, we might not be going through some of the crap we're going through now.

Ford was on the bogus Warren Report team, too:>)

The joke in the phrase is the word 'control'! Whose control, and why should 'they' have it'?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Impeachment of Bush so long as Cheney doesn't take over. It took more than a year to get the Nixon Impeachment going. It became a bi-partisan effort. There is very little time. Fucking Pelosi sent a message to Bush that he was untouchable.

The only truism in life is: Shit happens....and things change.

Nutcase:

I share your anxiety concerning Cheney. My own feeling is that we should bring appropriate proceedings (the kind of proceedings varying in each instance, according to the legal remedies available for each office or position held) against Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, and Rove. Additionally, I do not consider Gonzales to have redeemed himself yet.

The glass is always half full,not half empty.

Ho about some things that helped seperate communities: Television,Air Conditionong, Interstates.


In regards to End Times, Christ described them as unprecedented in unpleasantness. However, few if any will be alert enough to note the signs of the times.


Posted by Zed


and god is a loving god, remember that on your way to eternal damnation.

I didnt ask to be born.


We won't be Zombies, Bani. In the next life I think we'll ask ourselves in regards to the new reality: "Of course. This is all so obvious I'm amazed we missed understanding it".

Posted by Zed at


why would one think that death will provide answers? hope I suppose, but deluded hope I am more certain.

why do some even think they have the questions that fit the model?

It took more than a year to get the Nixon Impeachment going. It became a bi-partisan effort...Fucking Pelosi sent a message to Bush that he was untouchable.

Pelosi couldn't organize a company picnic, let alone a bi-partisan effort requiring any level of statesmanship. And Reid is as bad. As someone else said on here before, a high school student could do the job they have been doing for the past 2 years...

"Slave-master"? Nah. Father-son or best friend-best friend.


Posted by Zed


yes, a father or a best friend who will condemn you to eternal and i mean ETERNAL fire and damnation for his failings.

"The glass is always half full,not half empty."

Actually, methinks it is both. One allows you to appreciate the good things around you, to enjoy the happiness the world offers. The other reminds you that everything can be taken from you at any time. Which is also something that should be considered/acknowledged before it occurs.

"The glass is always half full,not half empty."

Ha! It's too big.

"Hey, Christians want an apocalypse. What are they complaining about?"

Please, The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
Posted by briwo at 2008-06-22 02:42 PM

One of the best, succinct bitchslaps ever.

with respect to Reid and Pelosi,

They probably couldn't get the work done that needed to be done, because Senate votes just aren't there.

But that's no reason not to speak the truth and act on it. Win or lose, at least you could say you tried to do the right thing.

What makes these two so despicable, is they used the "likely vote" as an excuse to do nothing.

Compare that to Kucininch. At least he speaks with moral clarity and has some balls.

"A father and a best friend who will condemn you to eternal damnation...."

We tend to see Hell as populated by volunteers, and Hell itself as a place where people get to do exactly what they want.

People elect damnation as a career. What they fail to consider is that career will last forever.

Ah yes---In response the question how could doing what you want possibly be hellish---I can only guess you don't really pay attention to what you see around you.

"I didn't ask to be born...."

Just sad.

I'll take hell over heaven. The devil told me there I can do whatever I want with no fear. And there is no place in the Bible where he lied.

Actually, methinks it [glass is half full and half empty] is both. One allows you to appreciate the good things around you, to enjoy the happiness the world offers. The other reminds you that everything can be taken from you at any time. Which is also something that should be considered/acknowledged before it occurs.

Posted by fyi at 2008-06-23 02:52 PM |

Good post and excellent philosophy

"I didn't ask to be born...."

Anybody who could has clearly not been here before...

"In the Bible there is no place where he (Satan) lied..."

He was a murderer from the beginning. When he lies he speaks his native language, because there is no truth in him.

I always wondered about something. People tell me they know there is a god because he has talked to them. So how do they know there is a satan? Does he talk to y'all, too?

An interesting question, Goatman. I suppose Satan does talk with some when asked. I wonder how it feels to be outmatched in every conversation by something that hates you?

I suppose Satan does talk with some when asked.

But as to those who don't ask, does satan talk to them I wonder? If not, how do they know he exists?

Anyone who believes there are people that have spoken to GOD should read "The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind". Very original relevant speculative perspective.

umerrikah is fukked

satan is the father of lies, ray. you've apparently never read the bible.

goatman - i don't believe God does not speak audibly to people today - He speaks to us through His word - the bible. some may imagine they've heard His voice, but i have to question them in that aspect. perhaps they heard a sermon that spoke to their inner being and became more aware. who really knows?

if a person looks closely enough at the written word of God, they'll find a remedy for every situation.

unfortunately, since this is no longer a nation with judeo/christian values, we will suffer the way of our own making.

for every praying person, there are probably 10-15 who hate us and hate God. He's just allowing u.s. our way. that is a way without Him. so, in essence, we're having our cake and eating it too.

"i don't believe God does not speak audibly to people today"

huh?

"for every praying person, there are probably 10-15 who hate us and hate God.

Posted by nanc at 2008-06-24 02:00 PM"

While I hate to undermine your well-nourished persecution complex, a very recent study said that 92% of Americans believe in god, a majority pray every day, and 60% believe in hell.

by the looks of things, monte - that cannot possibly be the case. otherwise the situation in the u.s. would be much different. it's one thing to believe in something and entirely a different matter in how one lives.

my own mother believes in God, but curses his name at least twenty times in a half hour conversation.

and, by how i and other people of faith here are treated, my point about hatred is true.

john 15:20-21

Nanc, I would respectfully suggest that the way people treat you has less to do with your religious beliefs and more to do with your personality.


i don't believe God does not speak audibly to people today - He speaks to us through His word - the bible. some may imagine they've heard His voice, but i have to question them in that aspect. perhaps they heard a sermon that spoke to their inner being and became more aware. who really knows?


if a person looks closely enough at the written word of God, they'll find a remedy for every situation

nanc

veri, veri closely...(& sometimes blindly:>)

King James Bible
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.


The Heresy That Saved a Skeptic


www.wehaitians.com


no, y'all treat ALL people of faith the same way no matter what their demeanor. surely you can see that?

2 thessalonians 2:11-12, bani - it's already at work in the world.

"no, y'all treat ALL people of faith the same way no matter what their demeanor." - Nanc

That would be like, say, calling the Catholic Church the "whore of Babylon" ?

the upper 5% of all faiths ~ most probably live their lives fairly well spiritually...the rest ~ well, that's what reincarnation is for ~ whether we think so or not, we each choose/participate in our coming future incarnation once we are between lives to better ourselves ~ always a gamble, or course:>)

"11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: "

said the devil? how is the casket business doing these days in the mideast?:>)

Ms. Pagels, from what I can tell, is just being weird.

"She (Pagels) worships in the tradition of Christianity...."

But she won't say she's a Christian. So, she may as well stay home and play checkers on Sunday.

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

~W.B. Yeats

/obligatory.

Be Well.

"Never on Sunday"

en.wikipedia.org

...whether we think so or not, we each choose/participate in our coming future incarnation

I'll quit while I'm ahead

lol

Since mention was made in this article about being people depressed about the nationwide housing slump --

Donald Trump was just now on Larry King's show and Trump said now is the best time ever to buy homes -- cheap. He said if you live in a good neighborhood and some people are going into foreclosure you should keep your own house plus buy theirs-- cheap.

Trump also said people would be fools to let their homes be foreclosed on as the banks have already put out the money and they last thing the banks want is to have an empty foreclosed home on their hands to sell especially now in this market slump. Trump said the banks usually have to hire security guards for the empty homes and if the guards don't vandalize the homes then vagrants and homeless people do. He said the last thing banks want is a house left empty. Trump said to go to the bank and renogitate your loan as the banks are into it now more than ever.

I liked the idea of buying someone else's home nearby real cheap and sitting on it until you can sell it at a much higher price. They said the housing slump is expected to last through 2009 and that there is money to be made if you know what you're doing.

btw -- Takes money to make money but Trump mentioned he recently paid $30 million for a home and turned around and just now sold it for $100 million. Well, I'm definitely not in that league. *sigh*

Trump also advised people to buy, not rent.

House I sold in a nice neighborhood off of Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota for $221k good Friday of 2006 ~ sold a few months ago for $140k in a foreclosure auction...

A former next door neighbor who doesn't plan on ever selling his house told me several weeks ago that Hennepin County valued my former home at $160k for property taxes.

Since his house was almost identical to mine ~ he's trying to get his property value down & thus his property taxes:>)

Donald Trump was just now on Larry King's show and Trump said now is the best time ever to buy homes -- cheap.

Reminds me when Cramer told viewers to hang on to Bear Stearns two weeks before it collapsed.

This housing market is in free fall until at least 2011. A flood of ARMs are triggered to set off when homeowners are barely making payments now.

Ray

So you really think the housing slump will drag on thru 2011 and not just until the end of 2009 as Trump predicted?
Still, it's a good time to buy now (better deals on purchase prices for homes) even if it's not the best time to sell your home, right? Also, you only need one good buyer if you are selling your house. Then who cares what's happening elsewhere with the housing slump across the country.

Hey as long as I got My Dad I have it made in the shade.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-06-22 12:24 AM

Just make sure you don't take it for granted he will always be there for you. It's easy to do sometimes.

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