Hey didn't McBush opt in, then opt out when it was convenient to do so even though he pledged the public financing funds as collateral on a loan?

What ever became of that?

I believe him and if I wakeup tomorrow with Jaime Pressly straddling me buck-naked I'm gonna throw her off the bed.

Barack Obama said Thursday he will bypass the federal public financing system in the general election, abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.

Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign.


Hey crookedfish you even bother with facts?

McCain has been in a dispute with the Federal Election Commission, whose chairman earlier this year said McCain needed commission approval to decline the funds. The FEC has not had a quorum to act, however, because four of its six seats have been vacant pending Senate confirmation of presidential nominees.

Public financing thrown under the bus so Obama can sell himself to the highest bidders.

Yeah, like this puppet doesn't have someone pulling the strings.


Bee Swell

- abandoning an earlier commitment

Well, that's prolly the most innocuous way of putting that......

Obama said lots of things during the primary to position himself seemingly Left of Hillary, even signed some, that he has had to renege on already.

Such as claiming he would meet dictators in the WH in his first year without pre-conditions. Or that he did not take money from lobbyists (only their wives and lawyers), or that his health care plan was truly universal.

Or, for other reasons, that he could never disown his Pastor.

With all the pander branches he keeps tiptoeing out on, one of them is going to break some day.

Corky, maybe instead of pointing out why Obama is an opportunistic hypocrite (plenty of retorters on the right for that job), you should start pointing out that Nader's platform is truly backed by the majority of the country... on every issue.

But if you do that, you'll find out fast that your support of Clinton was treated sweetly here by comparison.

This is no surprise, with the success Obama has had in raising funds from small donors he simply can raise more money that way than from public financing. If he were unable to raise so much and depended on the public financing the same folks who are trying to make an issue of this would be whining about his need for a government handout.

"With all the pander branches he keeps tiptoeing out on, one of them is going to break some day.

Posted by Corky "


Keep up the good work, my friend. We need you Clinton Cultists to keep trashing your nominee. Thanks!

Sincerely,
John McCain

"The true test of a candidate for President is whether he will stand on principle and keep his word to the American people."

Since when is this true? Maybe when Thomas Jefferson ran but not since. We have not had a decent man (one who can or will keep his word) since then.

Everybody knows the way to win an election is to tell the lazy americans what they want to hear.

Everybody knows the way to win an election is to tell the lazy americans what they want to hear.

Posted by Lipzoidial

Pander Pander Pander!!!

But just as much as that is true, people want to be on the winning team as much if not more than they want the best candidate possible.

-Clinton Cultists to keep trashing your nominee.


"Give 'em hell, Harry!"

"I just tell them the truth, and they think it's hell." - Harry Truman

Posted by Corky

Sore loser flag.

Posted by nullifidian

Sore winner flag.

Wow, clever comeback.

The issue is not that he is doing anything any different from any other politician. He is proving himself to be just like all the rest, Dem or Repub.

The issue is that while he is doing this, he is telling everyone that he is different.

This is why people get on the preachers that visit a prostitute. Most don't have a problem with someone doing that. It is when you have preached against it, then it is a problem.

The same is true with Obama. If he is going to say he is different. Then he needs to be different. So far I have not seen it.

He is just more of the same. Just as the Dems in 2006 promised all sorts of things. Have they really delivered? Cripe the Iraqi gov has passed more legislation than these people.

If you have a substantive argument as to why what I posted is false, then make it. Otherwise, you are just whining about how bad Obama looks when he contentiously tiptoes out on that branch, only to have to slink back again.

contentiously = continuously

Obama is the best candidate money can buy. A bit pricey but you might get what you pay for or more to the point what you ask for.

I wonder if anyone cares outside of diehard poltical junkies. It is hard being in DC because everything is magnified. When I need perspective, I'll call my family in Florida. They will probably ask what is public financing of campaigns and why anyone cares or worse why should taxpayers pay for someone else's campaign.

Do whatever you want, Corky. Spend the next 5 months bashing your party's nominee if you like. Sulk for the next 5 months. Whatever. Now excuse me while I get back to bashing the Republican nominee.

Since there is so much riding on this election and it is so important to defeat any and all Republicans I don't care if Obama gets donations from Satan. It also needs to be remembered that though he took donations from wives of lobbyists compared to Hillary Clinton he is a virtual virgin in campaign fund raising.

Since there is so much riding on this election and it is so important to defeat any and all Republicans I don't care if Obama gets donations from Satan. It also needs to be remembered that though he took donations from wives of lobbyists compared to Hillary Clinton he is a virtual virgin in campaign fund raising.

abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.


Last I saw, McBush is using private money, so what is the problem.

If McBush sticks to public financing then I see hypocrisy.

Of course ignore the facts it is much better to scream hypocrisy with all the faux outrage you can muster.

Corky--you remind me of a 2 year old who didn't get what they wanted. Every time i read one of your posts, i picture a child flopping on the ground, crying uncontrolably (but with no tears) trying to make a scene.

I have a feeling you'll never get over this--which, to me, is mildly amusing.

Obama is an empty suit - worthless. And he has zero respect from me as he is a poster child for affirmative action

McCain was the only candidate who matched him, agreeing to take public funding if his general election opponent did the same

McBush is using private money. Why should O'Bama be hamstrung by public funds if his competitor won't?

Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign.

And he has zero respect from me as he is a poster child for affirmative action

Posted by JimmyMac


Really? I am shocked at this revelation.

Funny, were I, or anyone else, to notice you at all, you would remind me of the second letter of the alphabet, sort of a bridesmaid but never the bride, eh?

But as you obviously prefer whatever the available spin that seemingly benefits a particular candidate to the facts on the ground, please do enjoy your anonymity.

"And he has zero respect from me..."

Posted by JimmyMac

I imagine we will hear the word that Obama has withdrawn from the race as soon as he hears THAT disturbing news.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what's the point of piling on your party's nominee when the R-tards will do plenty on their own?

I'm not wasting any more time on you. Just keeping bashing your party's nominee. Hope you enjoy President McCain.

They call him Flipper, LOL

He can take the money. He can do it for whatever reason he wants. I just get tired of hearing how he is different. How he is the candidate of change, when he is *no* different from any of the rest of them.

It amazes me that people do not see that this guy is a hypocrite and a liar.

Does your hatred for the Repub blind you to that? Not very smart.

I imagine we will hear the word that Obama has withdrawn from the race as soon as he hears THAT disturbing news.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

For the good of the nation that muslim socialist should simply go away

"Obama is an empty suit - worthless. And he has zero respect from me as he is a poster child for affirmative action"

Riiight....

"Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[15] He graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991"

Tell me JIMMYMAC when you attended Harvard Law School did you graduate Magna Cum Laude???
President of the Law Review???

Tell me, am I the first to mention that you are a complete idiot today???

-Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign.

Right. It obviously had nothing to do with the fact that they could raise much more money sans public financing. Or that they have been planning this change since his money-raising ability became obvious, regardless of anything McCain might have done.

So, you are saying that had McCain not fooled around on the process, Obama would not have reneged on his pledge?

Uh-huh.

Thinking about it, you know he sounds like a 12 year old. Well he touched me first.

Cripe have some integrity. Say, you know I made this pledge and while my oponent is not keeping his word, I will.

Instead he shows *no* integrity. Well McCain is doing this, so I am going to use that as an excuse to do what I want...

-I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what's the point of piling on your party's nominee when the R-tards will do plenty on their own?

I happen to be more interested in reality than spin, facts over partisan bashing.

I'm going to vote for the Dem nominee, as I always found him good enough to be VP.

But don't expect me to lie for him.

Affirmative action political correctness will get people where they have no right being....Barac Hussein "peter principal" Obamessiah

"I'm going to vote for the Dem nominee"

Can't even bring yourself to say Obama's name, can you?

I suspect you really want, but won't admit, McCain to win so Hillary can run in 4 years. Enjoy President McCain.

Good grief this is a stupid issue. If he were to agree to public funds with his fundraising abililty, he would be an idiot.

Gotta love the rightards on this - as if they would do anything different under the cirsumstances.

They are starting to sound like little pipsqueaky whiners.

First off, only morons would fail to notice that Obama IS raising his money from "public funding" since every single citizen is limited to $2300 for the November Election. Just because his message of change has brought a record number of individual contributors to his campaign, why should he opt to give up the advantage the American people want him to have for the sake of placating those whose sole purpose is to trash him regardless of what he does anyway? There has not been a single cogent criticism based on FACT which undermines his continual messages that drive his campaign. It is simply another way to get to the same location, and one which no one else has benefited from to the extent Obama has, so he's to turn his back on the public for exactly what reason? He has amassed the most money by collecting the highest percentage of small donors in the history of American presidential politics, and this is wrong for what exact reason?

The Corkstopper, as is often his want, only recites the bits and portions of Obama's words that suit his ends in being the divisive tool he obviously relishes being. Obama's promise was to discuss opting for public financing if he and McCain were the nominees, but McCain has already opted out of the system, so why should Obama give away an advantage which will help ALL Democrats running this year and not just himself?

I expect such nonsense from the rightwing partisans who still refuse to acknowledge the GOP Brand is equivalent to the 80's car called the Yugo, but when self-avowed Democrats continue to pick at our nominee because he had the intelligence and organization to defeat his opponents, it borders on self-flagellation and does nothing but feed the ego of its deluded speakers while driving more wedges that help no one but the Republicans. You are what you shit, but a turd is still a turd!

They are starting to sound like little pipsqueaky whiners.

Thats all they are, and its quite pathetic, isn't it? Congress is uncovering rampant lawbreaking coming from the White House and these nimrods want to stop the world because Obama won't give up the advantage the American public is affording him on his way to the White House!

I'd say throw some oil on 'em, but at $4+ a gallon for gas, I wouldn't waste the money....

Tony, Corky is not a devisive tool, he is an irrelevant tool.
I don't think anyone here is unaware that he just can't accept the fact that Hillary lost.

Cripe have some integrity. Say, you know I made this pledge and while my oponent is not keeping his word, I will.

Then you lose, and your opponent with no integrity is running the country you love into the ground.

Obama's so full of shit.

He was for public financing before he was against it.

He doesn't take money from lobbyists, just their wives.

He cannot disown his preacher before he disowns him.

He wanted to heal racial tensions before removing Muslims from his campaign backdrops.

And this:

"And we've already seen that he's [McCain] not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Then you lose, and your opponent with no integrity is running the country you love into the ground.

Posted by bperk

And we're in a race to the bottom with each election.

We get what we deserve.

" before removing Muslims from his campaign backdrops."

Do you contend the candidates should be responsible for all actions of any and all volunteers? Are you actually that daft?!?

-I suspect you really want, but won't admit, McCain to win so Hillary can run in 4 years. Enjoy President McCain.

Posted by nullifidian

Paranoia strikes deep, eh?

-You are what you shit, but a turd is still a turd!

Advice from experts should always be heeded.

-Obama's promise was to discuss opting for public financing

No, he signed an affidavit that he would accept public financing if his opponent did.

-just can't accept the fact that Hillary lost.

Apparently I accept that fact better than you folks accept that Obama is a typically cynically opportunistic pandering politician, whose signature isn't worth the paper it was written on.

It's always obvious when uyou are wrong, btw, because that's when the name-calling starts.

"Obama is a typically cynically opportunistic pandering politician,"

But you want him to win, rather than Hillary getting another chance in 4 years. Sure you do.

"But don't expect me to lie for him.

Posted by Corky at 2008-06-19 12:23 PM"

No one asked you to, retard.

For Corky, Sawdust, Crackpipe, etc. - do you really think that a giant pool of small donors is no difference than a few select huge donors? Do you really think that Obama will be beholden to Joe Schmoe from Maine who gave Obama $50, or Jane Swain from South Carolina who gave $30? Can you really claim this is just politics as usual? I mean, john McCain relies on a few big donors, and he has to spend his time sitting down at $5,000/plate dinners with them, while Obama can spend his time talking to regular folks. If you can't appreciate the difference, you are obtuse.

- Sure you do.


Mother Bill's Psychic Readings, Today Only Fiddy Cents!!


Ah, The Full Monte-Bore. If you ever really do think of something interesting to say, feel free to post it. There is a first time for everything, ya know.

Nice retort, Corked. I'm still not sure if you can see the "interesting" difference I described, but just want to cover your eyes and pretend you don't, or if you really are as dense as you sometimes appear. But either way, what a zinger of a retort!

"No, he signed an affidavit that he would accept public financing if his opponent did."

You mean he signed a document like the one Hillary did that said she understood Michigan would not count???
Glass houses and all that...you know???

Let me see if I understand this correctly?

We are chastising Obama for NOT taking money out of the US Treasury?

Isn't Obama the very first POTUS candidate to turn down the campaign finance funds since enacted?

I think he is..

He is a liar--lied about his preacher and his church and Ayers and let's keep going! Lied about his pledge to use campaign finance funds.

And none of this phases the followers as a sign he is a phoney distrustful POS empty suit Marxist!

No pinching today Null--ok!

"Mother Bill's Psychic Readings, Today Only Fiddy Cents!!"

I'll believe that you want Obama to win when you start posting like you want Obama to win. Until then, I'll assume you want McCain to win so Hillary can run in 4 years.

What? You are saying that Obama is a typical politician, just as bad as Hillary?

Hard to believe that.

(the fact that what the candidates agreed to was not to campaign, their agreement not being sought or needed on the penalty, aside)

What is astounding about the Dems is their outrage, shock and meltdown over the popular vote going to Gore in 2000 and the electoral vote going to Bush.

The Dems went ballistic over the popular vote being way more important.

Then when Hillary comes along to make the same exact argument that caused meltdowns across Dem tables everywhere--

The Dems flipped--or is it flopped--over the popular vote NOT being important at all.

It's all kinda' funny really...

What? You are saying that Obama is a typical politician, just as bad as Hillary?

No, just that he is smart enough not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

For the good of the nation that muslim socialist should simply go away

Posted by JimmyMac


Like any neocon would know what is good for America.

I disagree, Nulli. I think Corked is a wayward traveler, left on the side of the road when the "Operation Chaos/Stop Hillary Express" bus broke down. She has always donwe what she can to harm the Democrats and aid the GOP. She is probably McAncient's comfort girl.

The politics of "hope no one sees that we've changed our story again." Obama once again shows that he can't be taken at his word.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-06-19 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kooky,

You don't find it odd that John McCunt was a co-author of a bill that made clear the very rules that he is now trying to weasel out of for campaign finance reasons?

This is going to hurt McCunt much more than Obama.

You may assume, make an Ass out of u and me all you want, Billy Boy.

Until you start posting like you know the difference between rhetoric and substance, between spin and fact, I'll just have to assume that you don't.

The funny part is, I finally say that I will vote for the Dem nominee, but no, that isn't good enough. I have to swill the Obamaide and lie for him if need be.

Fuck off.

If you were a Operation Chaos dickwad, how would your posts be any different? In order to do Rush's work, you'd have to pretend to be a Dem supporter, but do all you can to harm the Dem candidate. That's what you are doing, so how are we supposed to divine your motivations?

Oh yeah, and you fuck off, trollop.

Boo hoo. What a fucking crybaby. I've never seen such a sore loser in my life. Go ahead, get in the last word. I've wasted enough time on you. I have better things to do, like campaigning against the Republican nominee.

Oh, yeah, one more thing Corky you big baby - no one is asking you to lie for Obama (but you already know that), but is it too much to ask that you turn your attention to the many shortcomings of the GOP nominee, and stop attacking Obama? I mean, do you not see a difference between just shutting your hole and lying for someone?

No real Democrat would be here whining about Obama deciding that his chances are improved with more campaign money and that he can raise more through private donations. In 2008 the LAST thing I want to hear from Obama is that he signed some silly agreement which would now hinder his campaign by reducing the number of dollars he will have to campaign with. I want a winner, we need a winner, by choosing to take the private donations Obama is showing us that he is in it to win. I commend him on this and will try to make another donation as soon as I can.

Gosh, with campaigners like Corky Obama is a shoe in. Thanks for your support Cork. Clue...the primary season is over, adults wipe their eyes, fix their make up and get busy supporting the nominee.

"In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. B. Hussein Obama--



BWAAAHHHAHAHAHAA HA

So he claims his plan is BROKEN--that's why he won't follow thru on the pledge he took?


What a POS Naked Marxist! He is a liar and some of the crowd here are too proud and invested to back away from the loser!

"And by winner, I mean someone that will lie his ass off to win!"

I think you have your wish.

No one blames him for doing it, it's just that smug, snobbish, elitist way of saying that he is holier than thou on such things than others, while practising the same old politics.

He did the same thing on foreign policy negotiations, the same thing on health care, the same thing on trade, the same thing on lobbyists, and now the same thing on public financing.

You would think that his supporters would at least know when they are spinning. But maybe the Obamaide makes them feel a bit dizzy all of the time.

Obama thinks his own PLAN is broken!

Too much-lol

-get busy supporting the nominee.


Lie like a dog, as necessary.

I don't actually care if he takes public financing or not.. and the system is unquestionably flawed. But so is Obama.

You can't set yourself up as the new messiah, and then expose yourself as an everyday, lying, waffling politician.

That's all he is, it's just in a shinier package than we're accustomed to seeing. It won't hurt him with the yellow dog dems.. He could unzip himself in an elementary school and they'd still support him.

But.. it just might hurt him with the fence sitters, and he needs them.

Politics of change huh.. hardly.

"I mean, do you not see a difference between just shutting your hole and lying for someone?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-06-19 02:18 PM"


"Obama hopes you'll care more about the former than the latter.

Posted by Corky at 2008-06-19 02:18 PM"


Hilarious. Your post answered my question nicely. Talk about liars. You are not an Obama supporter, your feeble protestations notwithstanding. Crawl back in your hole, Op Chaos loser. Or cunt up and quit lying about what you are up to. You'll vote for Obama - good one!!

" just that smug, snobbish, elitist way of saying that he is holier than thou on such things than others, while practising the same old politics."


This message brought to you by the Republican National Committee.

This Message Brought to You by The Obamaide-Free, Non-Lockstepping Organics Society.

(somehow I don't think MonteCunt admired my portrayal of him as Matt Drudge's secret lover on another thread..... but how long did he think he could keep it secret?)

Corky is just another menopausal feminist who sees men as the enemy. Bitch is the New Black. Step to the rear of the bus sweetie.

"You can't set yourself up as the new messiah, and then expose yourself as an everyday, lying, waffling politician."

posted by Obama voter

" just that smug, snobbish, elitist way of saying that he is holier than thou on such things than others, while practising the same old politics."

posted by McCain voter

Wait a second. My mistake. The first post was by a McCain voter, and the second one by a Obama voter. I think. It's so confusing when the Obama and McCain voters say exactly the same thing. Wish there was some way of telling them apart.

Hill's shills drink the swill till it spills from their gills. Now that Obama is the nominee they are as bitter as those at wounded knee.

Larry Mohr

At least you have Larry on your side......


and if you cannot see the hypocrisy inherent in this move by Obama, you really should cut down on the koolaid, as will be obvious to any objective viewer.


How goes the Girl Hater's Boy's Club, Ozbald?

"and if you cannot see the hypocrisy inherent in this move by Obama, you really should cut down on the koolaid, as will be obvious to any objective viewer.

Posted by Corky at 2008-06-19 03:16 PM"

But, of course, I still plan to vote for Obama. How ever could you have thought otherwise?

Corky, Reg. Dep.
Op. Chaos

Sniper Fire anyone??

"they are as bitter as those at wounded knee.

Larry Mohr"

There is no question that Corky's knees are wounded. The only real question is whether John McAncient is getting her from behind while Rush has it in her mouth, or vice-versa.

"But, of course, I still plan to vote for Obama. How ever could you have thought otherwise?"

Actually, Monte, Corky might very well vote Obama, while hoping that Obama loses so Clinton can run in 4 years. It makes sense for Clintonites not to burn too many bridges, because there is no chance for Clinton to get the 2012 nomination if Obamites blame Clinton and, especially, her fanatical supporters for the loss.

Convoluted Psychic Readings, 75 Cents, Today Only at Mother Bill's!!


(Spread wide for same time MonteCunt sucking action!! No Charge!!!)

Nulli - that's certainly a good reason for Corky to claim she will vote for Obama, but what she actually does in the voting booth is a bit more private than what she does for her johns in her trailer. She pull the lever for McAncient with one hand while engulfing her other hand in her man-eating maw.

"Convoluted Psychic Readings, 75 Cents, Today Only at Mother Bill's!!"

When your posts read like those of someone who actually wants Obama to win, I'll give up the psychic readings.

"Funny, were I, or anyone else, to notice you at all, you would remind me of the second letter of the alphabet, sort of a bridesmaid but never the bride, eh?

But as you obviously prefer whatever the available spin that seemingly benefits a particular candidate to the facts on the ground, please do enjoy your anonymity."


First off, did you have a stroke while typing that post? Because the bridesmaid portion of that first sentence makes absolutely no sense.

And yes, my goal in life is to be "known" by a bunch of strangers on a blog.

Interestingly enough, i have more "seniority" than you (how the hell is that calculated anyways?). But i'd rather be somewhat annonymous (i DO have a job that takes up 99% of my time during the day) than be known as a cry baby and whiney little schmuck.

OBAMA WILL NOT TAKE PUBLIC MONEY. Why should he. One of his handlers is George Soros. He's got billions to give to Obama.

"One of the principal authors of the most significant campaign finance legislation since Watergate said he was neither "outraged" nor "surprised" with Barack Obama's decision to forgo public funding in the general election.

Norm Ornstein, a fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute and substantial contributor to the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act -- also known as the "McCain-Feingold" campaign finance legislation -- said on Thursday that Obama's move was "pragmatically the right decision to make," and that, if the Senator had not chosen that path, "I would have sued him for political malpractice."

What a stupid issue, have fun with that one ....

I was utterly disgusted by AP writer Liz Sidoti's unbelievably biased slam, or "analysis" against Senator Obama today:

In one fell swoop, Obama just declared John McCain irrelevant.

And all over a paltry $4 million dollar loan which locks McCain into public financing.

To John McCain I say, Smooth move Exlax. Never underestimate the opposition, dummy.

Obama is an empty suit - worthless. And he has zero respect from me as he is a poster child for affirmative action

Posted by JimmyMac


Well gee that does it for me, then. I'll have to find someone else to vote for.

Eventually even you guys will begin to notice your own slide into irrlevance.

he lied.....period the end

His decision to break an earlier pledge to take public money will quite likely transform the landscape of presidential campaigns, injecting hundreds of millions of additional dollars into the race and raising doubts about the future of public financing for national races.

Cookfish, et al-
You Bushies are gonna get your asses kicked to such a remote curb that you'll need a map to get home.

We drink your milkshake! We drink it up!

welcome to the new politics.. same as the old. No news here the only change he is talking about is the jingle in his pocket.

Legio-
I've never contributed to a political campaign, and I'm sending Obama a check.

The issue is not that he is doing anything any different from any other politician. He is proving himself to be just like all the rest, Dem or Repub.

The issue is that while he is doing this, he is telling everyone that he is different.

This is why people get on the preachers that visit a prostitute. Most don't have a problem with someone doing that. It is when you have preached against it, then it is a problem.

The same is true with Obama. If he is going to say he is different. Then he needs to be different. So far I have not seen it.

He is just more of the same. Just as the Dems in 2006 promised all sorts of things. Have they really delivered? Cripe the Iraqi gov has passed more legislation than these people.

Posted by sawdust

i agree.. those that are stating sore loser need to get with the program.. demand more from those that promise more not a pander and a wink and say he "REALLY" means this..

This is the same old politics and he can take money from whoever wherever which makes me leery of who will be sponsoring him and what promises are made.

The dolts, particularly Corky, who want the Party to lose just like they did the last two cycles because of 527 smear jobs that cannot be effectively countered because of financial restrictions, act as though Obama should just ignore the reichwing's most powerful weapon. Retards.

Tony Roma "The Panderer"

imagine that.. standing on principle and promises..making someone actually stand by what the state..god thats so 19th century.

Legio-
I've never contributed to a political campaign, and I'm sending Obama a check.

Posted by BetelG

is it 1 billion dollars? That is what this campaign is costing.

Those that don't believe that deep pockets are not contributing are blind or choose to ignore the facts.

When you accept big bucks you have to deliver big promises..that is the same old politics.

Legio-
Have you any idea how much Obama raises through millions of small contributions? (Hint: you should, before you cast your crap out there)

imagine that.. standing on principle and promises..making someone actually stand by what the state..god thats so 19th century.

As soon as McCain does the same, Obama likely would have. I'm sick and tired of myopics failing to notice that McCain hasn't followed through on his end of the bargain, and thus precipitated Obama's decision.

I guess you can't get it through your narrow mind that by refusing the government's tax dollars, Obama is allowing the electorate to fund him, and each voter is limited in what they can give. It is defacto campaign finance reform because groups do not influence his politics, just the people who'll vote him into the White House. The object is to win, just ask W. You can take your "principles", or your perception of them and go cry in the corner. Everyone sees right through your charade even if you don't.

When you accept big bucks you have to deliver big promises..that is the same old politics.

What "big bucks" is he accepting praytell? $2300 per individual? Yeah, like that is going to influence what he decides to do....

You're not too educated on his fundraising, are you?

BOTTOM LINE:

He broke his word. No amount of "Justifying" changes this. The man is a liar, will do anything to get elected politician. The one true statement of Rev Wright "He's a politician". So get off the new and different leader tripe.

So basically we're screwed.

"Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign."

So is Obama but with a 10-1 advantage.

"Change we can believe in"

Riiiight.

SS, DD.

Q: When is a lie not a lie?


A: When Obama does it. See Tony Roma's full-page cut n' paste to see why. Ha!

Good on Obama. We need to kick the GOP in their nuts. I'd have been pissed had he taken the financing. McCain already blew his "integrity" by being for "public" campaign financing before he was against it, before he was for it because he couldn't get out it.

Collateral's a bitch.

GOP got punked by your own side.

BTW, the GOP ought to be glad the appointments to the FEC haven't gone through and there's no quorum. Better hope the Dems don't get off the pot and appoint them before the election.

Good on Obama

(Translation: I support a liar. You didn't REALLY think we about new politics, did you?)

(Translation: I support a liar. You didn't REALLY think we about new politics, did you?)

POSTED BY COOKFISH AT 2008-06-20 03:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Don't try and translate my words.
You have a hard enough time with your own.

As soon as McCain does the same, Obama likely would have. I'm sick and tired of myopics failing to notice that McCain hasn't followed through on his end of the bargain, and thus precipitated Obama's decision.

I guess you can't get it through your narrow mind that by refusing the government's tax dollars, Obama is allowing the electorate to fund him, and each voter is limited in what they can give. It is defacto campaign finance reform because groups do not influence his politics, just the people who'll vote him into the White House. The object is to win, just ask W. You can take your "principles", or your perception of them and go cry in the corner. Everyone sees right through your charade even if you don't.

Posted by tonyroma

Go fuck yourself Tony (with a spiked ballbat). I don't support McCain at this point either due to his stance on energy and the environment.

I am tired of you dick weed Obama supporters unconditionally giving him a free pass on any and everything he decides to do.. Its a fucking double standard and we had enough lies and double standards with bush/cheney at the helm. You small minded simpletons just don't get it..

Legio-
Have you any idea how much Obama raises through millions of small contributions? (Hint: you should, before you cast your crap out there)

Posted by BetelG

Do YOU? Are the numbers fudged? probably

Q: When is a lie not a lie?


A: When Obama does it. See Tony Roma's full-page cut n' paste to see why. Ha!

Posted by cookfish

no shit.. I don't think anyone here is NOT questioning McCain's blatant jellyfish move regarding campaign finance but I would be shocked "shit less" if any of the obama camp came out negatively against their messiah.

"Obama Won't Take Public Financing"

Effect on voters: ZIP.

I am tired of you dick weed Obama supporters unconditionally giving him a free pass on any and everything he decides to do.. Its a fucking double standard and we had enough lies and double standards with bush/cheney at the helm. You small minded simpletons just don't get it..

I don't think anyone here is NOT questioning McCain's blatant jellyfish move regarding campaign finance but I would be shocked "shit less" if any of the obama camp came out negatively against their messiah.

What's the object of the election Legio? Isn't it to get ELECTED? So why give up an advantage that TRULY represents PUBLIC FINANCING at its core?

Your lack of judgment is incredible! Considering the author of McCain/Feingold has endorsed Obama's choice, what does that say about you? If you'd actually read what he said as it regards this topic, you wouldn't call him a hypocrite or find fault with his decision.

Just so you know, believing in a candidate doesn't imply lockstep agreement on every single issue or not criticizing them when there's a salient point to be made. Guess what? No one could foresee that the voting public would give Obama such a huge advantage as it regards money, and seeing as how his totals are going up and up, doesn't this reflect his supporter's will that he continue doing what's got him here in the first place? Its illogical to argue otherwise. 9 out of 10 complainers weren't going to vote for him anyway, and the 10th will come around if he's successful in making the campaign about the issues we citizens care about and not those foist on us by 527's.

If individual citizens want to limit Obama's money, they'll stop contributing to his campaign, as it should be. We have far better things to spend $84 million in tax money on than the coming election when the people are funding it themselves without government's influence.

"Good on Obama. We need to kick the GOP in their nuts. I'd have been pissed had he taken the financing. McCain already blew his "integrity" by being for "public" campaign financing before he was against it, before he was for it because he couldn't get out it. "

Definitely, Yav. Kick them in the nuts, punch them in the gut, slap these fuckers silly. Make this a referendum on the Bush/McCain neo-conservative insanity and bury the fuckers, hopefully for decades.

What's the object of the election Legio? Isn't it to get ELECTED? So why give up an advantage that TRULY represents PUBLIC FINANCING at its core?

Your lack of judgment is incredible! Considering the author of McCain/Feingold has endorsed Obama's choice, what does that say about you? If you'd actually read what he said as it regards this topic, you wouldn't call him a hypocrite or find fault with his decision.

Just so you know, believing in a candidate doesn't imply lockstep agreement on every single issue or not criticizing them when there's a salient point to be made. Guess what? No one could foresee that the voting public would give Obama such a huge advantage as it regards money, and seeing as how his totals are going up and up, doesn't this reflect his supporter's will that he continue doing what's got him here in the first place? Its illogical to argue otherwise. 9 out of 10 complainers weren't going to vote for him anyway, and the 10th will come around if he's successful in making the campaign about the issues we citizens care about and not those foist on us by 527's.

If individual citizens want to limit Obama's money, they'll stop contributing to his campaign, as it should be. We have far better things to spend $84 million in tax money on than the coming election when the people are funding it themselves without government's influence.

Posted by tonyroma


And the scumbags just keep on keepin' on.. So Bush the scumbag did it so its ok.. love that rationale.

Tell me whats to prevent foreign money or corporations from over seas contributing Tony?

YOU and no one on this board can definitively tell me where the money is coming from and its disingenuous to state so.. First time EVER..

In 2008 the LAST thing I want to hear from Obama is that he signed some silly agreement which would now hinder his campaign by reducing the number of dollars he will have to campaign with. Posted by danni at 2008

what a TERRIFFIC POST./

the man lies and you not only DONT CARE but it is going to spur you into more money.........how absolutely wonerfull example of liberalsim at its peak.......

Considering the author of McCain/Feingold has endorsed Obama's choice, what does that say about you?

Not jack shit.. but it speaks volumes regarding your character.

Good on Obama. We need to kick the GOP in their nuts. I'd have been pissed had he taken the financing. McCain already blew his "integrity" by being for "public" campaign financing before he was against it, before he was for it because he couldn't get out it. "

Definitely, Yav. Kick them in the nuts, punch them in the gut, slap these fuckers silly. Make this a referendum on the Bush/McCain neo-conservative insanity and bury the fuckers, hopefully for decades.

Posted by nullifidian at 20


you are either one sick liberal fuck or you need a stiff drink.........Ill let you decide........lol

OK, so now there's an effort out to peg Obama as a liar.......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This coming from those that blindly believed any impossible bullshit that Chimpy in Charge has been spewing for the last 8 years....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
God, y'all are pathetic.

"you are either one sick liberal fuck "

Do you have some substantive point, you illiterate dipshit?

fuck off you fuckfaced cocksucker. ..it was meant to be a fuckin joke . But I guess someone who is just another pissant liberal FUCK cant read the last line......
you muslim messiah is a fuckin liar and he proves it again about once a week....
god damn you liberal fucks are SICK,,,,,,,,,

"fuck off you fuckfaced cocksucker. ..it was meant to be a fuckin joke ."

How would one know, given your demented daily rantings? As proven in the same post with this ignorant, moronic statement:

"you muslim messiah is a fuckin liar and he proves it again about once a week...."

If you want your "jokes" to be taken as jokes, then stop talking like a fucking imbecile.

God, y'all are pathetic.

Posted by TFDNihilist


and yet, nothing you say disputes our charge.
only messiah kool aid drinkers can ignore this lie and all the others.....
and he is a master at telling one group what they want to hear.....remember the rich fat kats that he 'dissed' ordinary people.

and He doesnt give a rats ass how much you pay at the pump..IN FACT THE HIGHER PRICE WE PAY the more he likes it because you liberal fucks still think that republicans are at fault for that..........

NULL......sorry about the opening language but I simply dont have to take bullshit from the likes of you. next time I will show you that in a better way.

If you want your "jokes" to be taken as jokes, then stop talking like a fucking imbecile.


Posted by nullifidian


IM not, you just dont want to hear it. because the black messiah is not supposed to be 'attacked"....
heard a lady on tv this morning who was called a racist by a high ranking member of the hussein obama team.....and why? because she has organized a hilllary for mccain organization......THATS the real face of this liars campaign.......

"because the black messiah is not supposed to be 'attacked"...."

I've never considered him a "messiah." That's just a rightwing talking point. I'm not even an Obamite.


"called a racist by a high ranking member of the hussein obama team....."


Amazing. You expose your bigotry at the same time making charges about racism. All in one sentence!

Tell me whats to prevent foreign money or corporations from over seas contributing Tony?

The fact that money has to come from US citizens and is documented openly on the Internet?

Or is it the fact that individual contributions are capped at $2300 apiece for both primary and general cycles?

Or might it be the fact that Obama dowsn't accept PAC or corporate contributions of any kind, he only takes money from INDIVIDUALS, not groups!

Silly me! I guess the foreigners are planning on taking over our government with $2300 a pop!

Use your head for something besides a hatrack! If you can't see the difference between Obama and the corporate whoremongering GOP then you need more help than you could ever find here. Obama's principles are intact. Its your screws that are loose for not recognizing the obvious: He will never be beholden to any individual, unlike the corporate driven K-Street crowd.

I praise him for doing what it takes to represent his constituency, namely those of us who give him money so that he can rid our government from the stench of neo-con incompetence and corruption. After that's done, we can talk about how many angels fit on the top of your pinhead....

The fact that money has to come from US citizens and is documented openly on the Internet?

Or is it the fact that individual contributions are capped at $2300 apiece for both primary and general cycles?


Either you are intentionally playing stupid or you truly have no clue how money CAN flow to a candidate without raising flags.

just fucking amazing how stupid you are..

and yet, nothing you say disputes our charge.
only messiah kool aid drinkers can ignore this lie and all the others.....
Posted by bushlovertwo

That's because that's not what I'm trying to do. It's losers like you that helped create this "gotcha" atmosphere where politicians have to walk on eggshells and can't adapt and change to present conditions.

Is Obama perfect...of course not
Is he a politician...yes, that means a certain amount of pandering to the rich and powerful.
To put it in ways regular idiots can understand...
You're always going off about how the best choice is usually the lesser of 2 evils, well Obama is probably the least evil politician that I've ever seen, does that mean he's a saint or a messiah, of course not, but it does means he's miles above the norm. And about 3 light years above that criminal liar that you call your "lover".

Good for Obama.

If McCain wanted to paint himself into a corner, it was his choice.

If Obama wants to go with his strength, that's his choice as well.

Knowing how the neo-cons operate and knowing that the RNC has a $3 to $1 advantage over the DNC, I'd take my best option, too. It was a smart political move.

I hope Obama blows McCain clean out of the water.