Sometimes you have to rewrite the summary. I think that's allowed?

Everytime you think this behavior might be behind us, we go and screw the soldiers in the exact same way again.

Let's hope this thread doesn't turn into a partisan windstorm, as we should all agree that this is infuriating.

Chantix is one of the drugs being used in an estimated 25 clinical studies using veterans by the VA.

Pfizer maintains that "the benefits of Chantix outweigh the risks" and that it continues to do further studies on the drug.

The FAA has prohibited commercial airline pilots from using Chantix because of its possible side effects.



Jesus Christ on a Popsicle Stick.

This administration whores out the soldiers to fight for oil contracts in Iraq and then whores them out to Big Pharm when they return.

Do they know no shame?

It seems that our fearful leader does in fact believe in the usefulness of our injured Vets. Only he has a different title, "Guinea Pigs.

This isn't really news, they've been testing shit on vets and active duty servicemen for decades.

I didn't say it was no biggie, it's just not news. It's been going on since WWII at least. They used to test chemical weapons on our troops for fucks sake. They sat them in front of nuclear bombs. Like I said, this isn't anything new.

QCP-
Do you think it should continue, because that's what it sounds like?

No I don't, and don't really see how I could have come across as wanting it to. That said, feigned outrage and acting like this is the first anyone has ever heard of stuff like this isn't going to make it stop. I was forced to get shots I didn't want in the Marines, there was nothing I could do about it. And realistically there is nothing any of us can do about it now.

My ex father in law (now deceased) was in that group of guys in the bikini islands that were used as guinea pigs.

After the war, he went back to work and was totally disabled by the time he was 45 (glaucoma, luekemia, kidney failure, black lung, cancer and congestive heart failure). He was a total mess and died when he was 60. The government never told them that there was any fallout or radiation or anything. Doesn't really matter, they were ordered to do it. As far as we can tell, he lived longer than anyone in his batallion.

Not that misinforming anyone of the risks involved with drugs is okay, but just because you are "recruited" to test a drug doesn't mean you have to say "okay." I see ads on the train all the time for experimental drug studies. I don't go and call the number, take the drugs, and then complain to ABC news. But that's just me.

i would be interested in hearing about other tests though chantix is hardly the most horrid thing on the market.
while i used it to quit smoking, i am not in the line of fire - normally the most stressful thing i encounter on a daily basis is a minor catastrophe at work and the evening news.
dreams are the only side effect that i've heard everyone state one encounters when using the drug.
as i have low stress in my life as a rule, my dreams were meeting charlize theron and a girlfriend in a bathtub (i am not making that up) and visiting some rockstars in their homes.
i am sure that if were in battle, the dreams would be a lot different.
i have a mistrust for all things government and most things media these days.
more info is needed from my pov.

all the best.

more info on the charlize dreams upon request.

stop complaining you liberul bitches, they volunteered for it.

- sincerely rightwing hack

I'll take anything that can make me have vivid dreams of chalize theron.

I have on permanent loop in my brian that scene where she is lying on a cot in Cider house Rules.

Or when she was in devils advocate - yummy.

Sense, please tell me more.

That said, feigned outrage and acting like this is /...

Posted by qcp at 2008-06-17 02:18 PM | Reply

QCP,

The first rule of engagement on DR is phoney outrage, at least from Lefty fools. That way they can be self-righteous without responsibility

Not that misinforming anyone of the risks involved with drugs is okay, but just because you are "recruited" to test a drug doesn't mean you have to say "okay." I see ads on the train all the time for experimental drug studies. I don't go and call the number, take the drugs, and then complain to ABC news. But that's just me. -- Joe

Context matters. (1) You're not in the military -- where obedience and trust of other military personnel are paramount -- being advised by others in the military to do it. (2) The recruiters behind those train ads aren't your employer telling you that you have a mental disorder and your best hope for remaining employable is taking an experimental drug.

"Lab rat, guinea pig, disposable hero," said former US Army sniper James Elliott in describing how he felt he was betrayed by the Veterans Administration.

Haha. Every soldier sent to the battle front is a disposable hero. To the rest, it's like Boy Scouts.

So this guy takes Chantix (approximately a year after FDA approval) to cure his addiction to cigarettes and it's somehow becomes an experiment? huh? what other "experimental" drugs were involved? Jacob's Ladder type shit or what?

So this guy takes Chantix (approximately a year after FDA approval)

I posted a link to a warning from the FDA in November 2007. Was that communicated to the vets; did it warrant a reconsideration by the DVA? Probably.

I feel it only fair to point out that I posted this half an hour earlier. No respect, I tells ya! rogue

When rCade alters the headline or post it gets a new timestamp, but if you look at the of the first post you'll see that it was up before 9:28am EDT vrs 1:15pm. But, that said, it wouldn't have been the first time that the Early Worm gets the Bird.

after consuming a few beers....

I suppose the VA doesn't provide those informational flyers I get when I go to Walgreens for scripts. I'm hoping this was due to bureaucratic inefficiencies and not some nefarious, super-secret bullshit. The article seems a little sensational to me. The guy was drunk -- probably pissed at his girlfriend, and bam here comes the psychotic episode. Happens everyday with or without Chantix. And no I don't work for Big Pharm. I'll reserve judgement until I see what other drugs the VA was giving to Vets "experimentally".

To crib some lines from Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam, ol' Vern consistently reminds us that he is in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history.

"I'll take anything that can make me have vivid dreams of chalize theron... Sense, please tell me more."

briefly...
charlize theron is in a room with michael caine. he is ironing her... i am situated in the hallway watching this transpire. i want to help charlize though she is really getting into it... apparently the heat isn't turned on.
suddenly, the heat is on and charlize screams. i enter the room and push michael caine out of the way and pick up charlize while stating, 'we've got to get you into a bath.'
cut to charlize in a bubble bath - sadly, i am again in the hallway looking in. to the right is another room with another tub.. this one contains my a lady friend of mine who is also in a bubble bath.
torn as to which way to go, suddenly both are standing up. charlize short and pouty and my friend, tall, beautiful and buxomness.
both are wearing only bubbles, of course.

i look to and fro several times trying to figure out which way to go and then, sadly, i awaken.

my tall lady friend loves the story and wants to be in the short film if charlize would only return my phone calls.

all the best

As for why the VA continues with the test, how much money do you think Pfizer is paying the DoD to carry out the experiment?

The DoD has nothing to do with it. Department of Veterans Affairs is a cabinet position and completely independent of any other agency.

Veterans Used to Test Experimental Drugs

Yeah, I believe it. I'm a vet and I used to test experimental drugs, too. Mainly stuff that Fred the Head was able to score for us.

The 90's...The 90's...Hmmmm, who the fuck was the President in the 90's? I seem to recall an Anthrax vaccine that was experimental in the 90's being given to soldiers.

Ahhh fuck it. The truth doesn't matter as long as we can blame Bush and the republicans! Right girls?

Not so sure I'd be mentioning anthrax, 101.

Whatever became of that investigation?

You remember, don't you, 101? Sent to leading Dems and media types. Don't you sometimes wonder about that?

Probably not, what with Iraq, and all.

Of course I wonder about it Ted. I also wonder about the 8 billion in cash that disappeared too.

Just because I poke at the leftwing loons and continually point out their faux outrage and hypocricy doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to everything that is wrong with the US (except when it comes to torture and secret prisons...those I could give a flying fuck about. Do more of it and I'd be happy).

Now, about those anthrax vaccines. I got out when they were making the rounds so I never had to get one, but I know plenty of guys that did. Nobody wanted them. But that was while Clinton was President so I suppose the vast majority of loonies here don't want to discuss it.

I had to get those anthrax shots, even though I wasn't going to be in The Corps long enough to finish the series of shots, they made me get the first couple. What can you do, it came down to my OIC giving me a direct order to go get the shots with the threat of office hours if I didn't go.

"Jacob's Ladder type shit or what?"

That movie was awesome. Although I think that Chiropractors paid off the director for free advertising cause that one chiro dude worked miracles.