Obama steps to the plate on Father's Day and delivers a high, hard one, right at the head of absentee black fathers. Just another case of taking the message straight to those who need to hear it the most, who also happen to be the one's who can make the most difference in the lives of their affected children by staying in their lives and leading them to better choices by doing so and supporting their growth and maturity.

It may not do much, but it needed to be said, loudly and clearly: Making babies isn't parenthood, raising them to be responsible, respecting people IS parenthood.

got to keep swinging especially after kissing aipac's ass in every which way...

I'm sure each and every one of them were listening.

This should appeal to all the GOP 'personal responsibility' folks

It is meant to appeal to the white blue-collar workers who voted for (gasp) Hillary Clinton over him.

Anyone who bet Hil would have won that low income white male vote, men who had said they would never vote for her, prior to the primaries would have gotten 100 to 1 odds, btw.

ROFLMMFAO Too fucking funny.

Larry

I agree Larry. Black and "dad" in the same sentence! That's funny. And about as elusive a creature as bigfoot.

I was laughing at Corky's spew. NOT at the topic.

Larry

It wasn't just "black" dads he was going after, it was all deadbeat fathers, and, sadly, there are plenty of them for every demographic.

Right, Corky thinks that holding your nose and voting for a woman is admirable, because you couldn't bring yourself to vote for a black guy, now could you?

One deadbeat dad is one too many. That being said, let's not pretend that african americans aren't by far the worst offenders. They are in a league of their own.

Absentee fathers are in my opinion the main reason the black community is in shambles. The percentage of black women with HIV/AIDS doesn't help either.

101, I don't want to argue semantics as you are correct in that one deadbeat is one too many, and I do agree that black fathers, from what I perceive, may be the worst offenders; however, there are many blue-collar working class fathers that up and leave - just listen to almost every Bruce Springsteen song.

I did like Obama's speech yesterday in that he amplified the fact that if you are working and still can't get by then you should get help from the government in the form of health care, and other programs. I like that he emphasized "working" in terms of receiving benefits.

Bruce Springsteen is a moron that sings about Freehold, Nj and pretends it is a blue collar town. Houses in Freehold sell for $500,000

Most working class people receive healthcare from unions

"Most working class people receive healthcare from unions"

I'm sure you'll have no trouble backing that up with some facts.

Or will you?

Doc do you own research. Working class means skilled labor. In other words they swing a hammer because they were out partying and missed the SAT test. WWW.NHH-Union.com the National Hammer Head Union

Most working class people receive healthcare from unions


Unions represent about 10% of the working class people.

So 1 out of 10 is most.

If you're a Timbicile.

Sorry but if you are not in a union you are not working class. You are an unskilled laborer that is too stupid to be accepted into a union

"Timbicile"

I think his new name is very cute and very appropriate. How do you like it Timbicile???

FF for NG

It's both male and female, white and black who are to blame.

Men impregnate, and women continue the cycle of irresponsibility and carry to term.

Both are at fault (regardless of color), and religion keeps the "guilt" in the mothers mind so she carries it to term (even if the father doesn't want it) out of fear an angry God will punish her.

End welfare for people who take advantage of taxpayers by continually, and irresponsibly reproducing.

If you can't afford a child...do NOT have a child, if not for yourselves, for the rest of us.

"Men impregnate, and women continue the cycle of irresponsibility and carry to term."

You are a couple of steps ahead here.

First one must insert Tab A into Slot B.

If Slot B is made unavailable for Tab A insertion, then the process is completely stymied.

I am aware of only one woman in all of history who became pregnant without the requisite Tab A/Slot B interaction.

as if it were that simple.

...the Government has their claws and guns directed at Fathers. They pretend to care about your kids, as if they actually care more than 99.9% of real parents, and yes that includes Fathers.

They can move in and take them anytime they want, based on one suspect telephone call. But mostly they just want those Federal matching dollars that Clinton gave them. Which is why they prefer to attach the wages of Fathers that are current in their child support. Easy money, and if it takes them two months to post the garnichment, they can add interest, and if they seize your checking account without cause the burden of proof is on you and they won't pay interest on any unwarranted seizures. No matter that the garnishment might hurt their careers or credit, you're just a fucking Father, any rights you have cost so much to assert, that you might as well leave the country (if you can).

Good Father, Bad Father, Child Support Enforcement Agencies will never know the difference, nor do they really care. Targeting Fathers with no connection to a child is also in their book of tricks. Its a numbers game to them, with children's lives hanging in the balance.

I am aware of only one woman in all of history who became pregnant without the requisite Tab A/Slot B interaction.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-06-16 03:23 PM | Reply

Never heard of the "Turkey Baster" Method have Ya??

Larry Mohr

yeah but see, it feel too got damn goood to pull out..

A lot of good fathers (and some moms) are forced out of their kids lives by the court system we have today. It's very easy, I went through it myself. I was fortunate in the end, as were my kids, and after 3 years of legal battles to clear my name from my ex's accusations, custody reverted to me and the mother took off for the other coast and has little to do with the kids now (and pays no support either).

Obama's right, parents need to be responsible for their kids. We also need to reform the system so that the expectation is that both parents will be involved with and responsible for their kids if they are no longer (or never were) married. Presumptive shared custody is a good step in that direction.

Not to add to the orgasm the likes of TonyRoma have over every utterance that comes from Obama's mouth, but I appreciate that Obama doesn't play the black victim, and calls for some personal responsibility in that community. Heads and shoulders above the likes of Sharpton / Jackson / et al.

Obama can politically afford to state the obvious facr that black dads are AWOL to an audience that will vote for him anyway. This was a way to pander to white folks. But real liberals, like Obama cannot help themselves as he announced a dozen new Federal programs to help black fathers act like real men.

The worst unions in America that need to be destroyed are for unions that rape the state gov't in the public sector. The United Federation of Teachers must be crushed. Joe Klein anf Mayor Bloomberg have made a dent in the armor. Now that that Nazi Pig Randi Weingarten is leaving, they mustfire a missle and bring down the union. Destroy the schools and sent the poor kids to Mexico to work in American factories

dozen new Federal programs to help black fathers act like real men.

Posted by fwthom

Link please assclown...

Turkey Baster = Tab A

Yesterday he said he would use guns and today he's saying that black fathers have joined the military and are AWOL.

-conservatives who never learned what a metaphor is

We also need to reform the system

It would be nice if it were gender neutral. Today a woman can make unfounded allegations against a man and be believed while he is forced to prove a negative. The standard of erring on the side of caution is just an excuse for the judges bureaucracies to avoid a responsible investigation of the facts and render a just decision.

Missouri actually passed a law that divides the child support between the parents so that each contributes, yet there is no oversight of how the funds are spent. It's pretty tough to write a check knowing that it will be cashed at the local tavern. At least they are enforcing visitation rights and that's a good thing.

Deadbeat dads are a bad thing no matter what color or social status.

Didn't Bill Cosby say something similar? It seems to me that his remarks were not recieved as favorably.

Is the difference the messenger and their political affiliations, or just a timing thing where people have come to realize that father's do matter?

"Missouri actually passed a law that divides the child support between the parents so that each contributes, yet there is no oversight of how the funds are spent."

Mass is similar. Both parent's income is taken into consideration -- sort of. The custodial gets a $20,000 per year offset (in other words, the first $20,000 doesn't count plus any daycare expenses come off too). Then they apply a percentage to the total income of the two; the percentage increases with income up to about 33% for most white collar workers. Then they add a percentage depending on the age of the kids. 10% if they are 13 - 18 (23 if student). Then this basic order is adjusted downwards by the percentage of total income that the custodial makes. Then the family health insurance comes into play; if the custodial is paying for it, the CS order goes up by 50% of the premium, if the noncustodial is paying it, the order goes down.

And they use gross income, not net.

Bottom line, with 3 kids, if the non custodial makes say $50,000 and the custodial $20,000, the CS is about $300/wk plus or minus 1/2 the medical insurance. If non custodial earns $100,000 and custodial earns $50,000, the CS will be about $515/wk. This does not reduce the custodial's income tax bill, so if the custodial nets 65%, the $50,000 earner would be left with $17,500 net; the $100k earner would be left with $38,220.

The custodial parent in the lower income situation is probably netting close to $18,470 from work plus $15,600 from CS for total net of $33,100. (Note that new lover/spouse doesn't count for custodial, it might for non custodial). The higher income situation results in an approximate net of $40,000 from work plus $26,780 from CS for a total of $66,780 after tax.

It gets interesting if they earn the same amount; if they both earn $50,000, the non-custodial will pay about $200/wk after adjustments but before health insurance. If they both earn $100k, the non-custodial would pay about $375/wk.

Both families would like have been better off financially if they stayed together.

"Deadbeat dads are a bad thing no matter what color or social status."

Deadbeat PARENTS, please.

dozen new Federal programs to help black fathers act like real men.

Posted by fwthom

Link please assclown...
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he won't supply any links, he just makes stuff up from rightie talking points, he is ignorant, that's why he is ignored!

Not to add to the orgasm the likes of TonyRoma have over every utterance that comes from Obama's mouth, but I appreciate that Obama doesn't play the black victim, and calls for some personal responsibility in that community.

Has it ever occurred to you that this is one of the PRECISE reasons that I like Obama in the first place after years and years of politicians that will say anything to get elected and then do nothing after they are?

Finding favor in Obama's style and substance isn't orgasmic unless you find politics and public service a form of sex. I see it as a form of citizenship that's largely been forgotten in our "me, me, me(!)" society. I'm glad Obama identifies and speaks truth even to those hoping to continue to ignore the elephants in their own living rooms.

that's why he is ignored!

Posted by onna at 2008-06-16 04:51 PM | Reply |


Except by you and Chill...

"If Slot B is made unavailable for Tab A insertion, then the process is completely stymied."
Oh Zot you so funny. Makes it sound like it's all Slot B's fault for just being there. Tab A has no responsibility in this?

I am aware of only one woman in all of history who became pregnant without the requisite Tab A/Slot B interaction.

The woman you refer too most likely also got tabbed. For convenience of the myth, the story was changed.

What incredible horseshit from Obama. He RAVES that there will be no discussion of race, then that's EXACTLY what he does, discuss race! He's the biggest hypocrite to EVER run for office...

It's like him saying "repbus will question my patriotisim" When no one has, but he brings it up....

Dave, you're dense. No one has questioned Obama's patriotism? It was only him talking about stupid fucking flag pins, and whether he crosses his heart with his left hand or his right hand and whether he lip syncs loud enough during the national anthem? Only him?

Stick to the topic monte, why bring up race, when he forbid it?????

Can't answer AS usual heh?

"He RAVES that there will be no discussion of race..."

When did he do that?

I heard portions of Obama's speech yesterday and thought it was quite good.
Similar to some of the same points about absentee fathers made by Bill Cosby and it needs to be repeated.

DaveTheBarney:

You made this:

"It's like him saying "repbus will question my patriotisim" When no one has, but he brings it up....

Posted by DavetheWave at 2008-06-16 05:18 PM"

the topic when you posted it. Also, I second DC's 5:29 - cite, please?

Absentee fathers are in my opinion the main reason the black community is in shambles. The percentage of black women with HIV/AIDS doesn't help either.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-06-16 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm putting my politics aside for a few seconds because I have to agree with you on this. The family fabric just isn't there in many of the more lower-income (dirt poor) black communities.

I was watching a documentary on the history of Cabrini Green (the notorious housing project that became a war zone) and I learned something that made a lot of sense (but is NOT an excuse, just a small piece of the puzzle). The problem stemmed from the fact that most in the project were on some sort of assistance to begin with and to receive the assistance, a woman can't have a man in the house. Now, this makes sense as you'd think that if she had a man, that he'd be able to provide but jobs were scarce. Anyway, they kept checking up on the women in these projects randomly and there could be no sign of an adult male, so they started staying away, a little at first and then it just became easier to stay gone. Like I said, it's not an excuse for deadbeat fathers, but it's one more piece of the puzzle that is responsible for the current situation.

Don't misunderstand me - I have a man-crush on Obama, but what does the absence of fathers in the African-American community have to do with the plight of African-Americans? This is a straw-man argument designed to make European-Americans feel comfortable. The number one issue on Barack's agenda shoud be : Defeating racism once and for all.

Funny. Obama's blasted by "the right" for saying this, accused of pandering, etc. As if not saying anything would endear him to them.

Good job, Obama. Good speech.

"Don't misunderstand me - I have a man-crush on Obama, but what does the absence of fathers in the African-American community have to do with the plight of African-Americans? This is a straw-man argument designed to make European-Americans feel comfortable. The number one issue on Barack's agenda shoud be : Defeating racism once and for all."

Posted by skip_wellington

I've come to a realization that Obama really isn't all that bad, in fact, he might be kind of good for this country. But his supporters tend to be douchebags. Skip_Wellington is a fine example.

While I admire the fact that Skip likes Obama, he couldn't be more wrong about absent black fathers if he tried. Defeating racism will happen in due time when people stop judging by racial standards instead of simply those that apply to a given situation and individual based upon their unique attributes or liabilities.

The problem with my prior statement as it refers to single-parenthood is that America is now going on its 3rd or 4th generation of black children growing up without the benefit of a father in their homes and lives. Why do you think black male incarceration is so high when males learn to ignore and stigmatize females at an early age? Fathers often are the teachers of male discipline and respect for women that we see sorely lacking in far too many cases.

The "programs" Obama is talking about are the antidote to the female-centric programs which exist today that actually encourage males to leave the home if they cannot contribute economically because both the children and mother suffer if they stay. It makes no sense for the government to provide assistance if the father is gone but to deny or cut assistance if a family tries to stay together. His ideas are to encourage fathers to stay in the homes and engaged with their spouses and children if the government will help them gain educational or technical skills that advance them in the job market. It shouldn't even be an issue of family cohesion, it should be an issue of what's best for the advancement of our society as it strives to help citizens to be productive instead of destructive.

In most circles its called investment, but whenever the subject tends to be about poorer people or those marginalized by society all of a sudden many want to label it an extravagance to seek solutions for the disintegration of the American family. And as economic times get worse, be assured that this trend won't stay centered in the black community. It will spread like most plagues toward whatever healthier hosts it might find.

Yeah, and after taking deadbeat dads to the wood shed, what is his solution? Massive lib spending programs to help these "disadvantaged youths". Throw money at it, that will fix it.

Yeah, and after taking deadbeat dads to the wood shed, what is his solution? Massive lib spending programs to help these "disadvantaged youths". Throw money at it, that will fix it.

We've got "massive con spending" going on right now, or have you failed to notice? What sector of the budget continues to grow unabatedly which WOULDN'T if "disadvantaged youth" chose the path which Obama set forth instead of the one far too many choose daily?

That's right, prison funding and incarceration costs! Oh, but its alright to house more prisoners per capita than any nation on the planet, but try to create programs and an impetus which will keep many men from becoming criminals in the first place is a bad idea?

The logic of such an idiotic position escapes me, but let's throw even more money into our current "criminal development programs" that we optimistically called "rehabilitation"....

Its always easier to bitch than it is to try and make a positive difference.

He should have told them to put down their 40's, their crack pipes and leave the gangs.

watchout obama you know what anger was turn on bill cosby-tom sowell-and others who said the same thing
jasman