Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Pakistan said on Wednesday an "unprovoked and cowardly" air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan and undermined the basis of security cooperation. The soldiers were killed at a border post in the Mohmand region, opposite Afghanistan's Kunar province, late on Tuesday as U.S. coalition forces in Afghanistan battled militants attacking from Pakistan, a Pakistani security official said.

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Whoops! Our bad.

I am sure Bush feels no regret over this.

Why are we bombing another foreign country? What gives us the authority to do this?

"What gives us the authority to do this?"

Gawd

Why are we bombing another foreign country? What gives us the authority to do this?

Posted by truthhurts

Where's the Neo-Bushling outrage over this? When Obama said this (though in his defense, I don't think he was talking about killing PAKI soldiers), the Neo-Bushlings had some panties wedged up fairly far..... More fake outrage by the dead enders...

Friendly Fire-It's What We Do-new USAF motto.
Truth-since pakistan has white-flagged waziristan, somebody has to do it. Bombing the taliban, that is. Bombing the Pkais, that's just the amphetimes talking.

Guess we got ourselves a "problem" .....

This targeting the taliban is a lie, in this case.

2 days ago, afghan troops came inside our border and tried to set up a post with heavy weapons.

We fired on them and they ran off.

And now this.

Its all connected.

Pity is... it might even be an honest mistake.

It's happened before. The border is unmarked and Afghan maps are different from Pakistani ones for political reasons.

Could it be connected to THIS?

news.yahoo.com

But one thing is for sure.... Afghans will not set up a post inside Pakistani territory. We won't let it happen.



But one thing is for sure.... Afghans will not set up a post inside Pakistani territory. We won't let it happen.

Posted by Tosser



You're kidding, right?

Could it be connected to THIS?


No.

Simply because, if the think tank is right, then this action will prove very counter-productive. Just one more headache for NATO... which they want to avoid at all costs.

That is why, no.

You're kidding, right?


Kidding?

No, I don't think so.

What about all the current bases the Taliban has in Pakistan?

the taliban doesn't have bases

they have hiding places in civilian homes.


I am sure Bush feels no regret over this.

Why are we bombing another foreign country? What gives us the authority to do this?

Posted by truthhurts


If Pakistan (Every Muslim nation for that matter) would man up and police their own we wouldn't have to be their with our military.

Its been 6 years since the Taliban and Al Qaeda were defeated and fled to Pakistan... why hasn't Pakistan dealt with the problem? These 11 soldiers were probably working with AQ... fuck em.... hope they suffered.


Guess we got ourselves a "problem" .....

Posted by Tosser


Feel free to write a strongly worded letter, guy from country that is afraid of India's army.

Yeah Rob, we're the big tough U.S. so why can't we even defeat all the Taliban in Afghanistan???

Why are we still having problems in Iraq??

Why do Mexican gangs still exist in LA???

President Obama is getting started early.....(well he warned them).

Yeah Rob, we're the big tough U.S. so why can't we even defeat all the Taliban in Afghanistan???

You've been reading only the front page Drudge articles on the Taliban and Afghanistan... you might want to check on that...

Why are we still having problems in Iraq??

Because Iraq is a Arab Muslim nation, if it were a European Christian nation it would be peaceful and stable for years now.

Why do Mexican gangs still exist in LA???

Posted by danni


Because we're not really trying to get rid of them.

"Because Iraq is a Arab Muslim nation, if it were a European Christian nation it would be peaceful and stable for years now."

Yeah, like 1941.

"Because we're not really trying to get rid of them."

Riiight.

Some articles for Danni to ignore:

afp.google.com
www.nytimes.com
www.cbc.ca
www.telegraph.co.uk's-Taliban- insurgents-'on-
brink-of-defeat'.html

At least we didn't destroy another Chinese embassy.

Yeah, like 1941.

Posted by danni


Actually more like 1944-45 or 1989-91 when European nations were freed from either Nazi occupation or Soviet occupation... did they go around beheading people and blowing up stores for 5 years Danni? Was France a giant shithole of violence and poverty for years after WWII because the people in Paris decided they needed to kill everyone in Normandy?

No.

Europeans appreciate indoor plumbing.

Actually more like 1944-45 or 1989-91 when European nations were freed from either Nazi occupation or Soviet occupation... did they go around beheading people and blowing up stores for 5 years Danni? Was France a giant shithole of violence and poverty for years after WWII because the people in Paris decided they needed to kill everyone in Normandy?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

who's beheading whom these days?


PALESTINE ~~ THE LAND THAT NEVER WAS'

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USS Liberty -- New Revelations in Attack on American Spy Ship

Their anger has been stoked by the declassification of government documents and the recollections of former military personnel, including some quoted in this article for the first time, which strengthen doubts about the U.S. National Security Agency's position that it never intercepted the communications of the attacking Israeli pilots -- communications, according to those who remember seeing them, that showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an American naval vessel.
The documents also suggest that the U.S. government, anxious to spare Israel's reputation and preserve its alliance with the U.S., closed the case with what even some of its participants now say was a hasty and seriously flawed investigation.
buchanan.org

our buddies are terrorists, too...

Whatever Rob, The US is responsible for the deaths of up to 1,000,000 Iraqis due to our invasion, now don't try to tell me that Muslims are more violent than westerners. Dropping bombs from thousands of feet above a target is not any less violent than chopping off a head. We have more modern techniques but when we want to kill we do it better than anyone.

cn't deny that we as americans are the most affective killers in the world. we got the best and most sophisticated ways of killing that help us detach ourselves from the violence. playstation beheading via the push of a button.

playstation beheading via the push of a button.

Posted by klifferd

Essentially...

The US is responsible for the deaths of up to 1,000,000 Iraqis due to our invasion

After the invasion of Iraq, and the overthrow of Saddam's government, the Iraqi people had a choice. Sieze the opportunity given them and improve their society free from tyranny and oppression... or start murdering anyone/everyone who doesn't exactly agree with their brand of Islam, as well as the very people who freed them from Hussein.

What did they choose Danni?

Did France have that same choice? Poland? East Germany? Belgium?

What did they choose Danni?

"the Iraqi people had a choice"

but i thought it was al qaeda that instigated the insurgency.

cn't deny that we as americans are the most affective killers in the world.

You also can't deny that never in the history of man and war has a nation taken such measures to ensure that only those we are fighting are killed in battle. We have the weaponry (not even talking about nukes here) to completely pacify Iraq, and do it very quickly... but we choose not to, because the civilian death toll would be astronomical. If we had the same mentality of just 60 yeas ago, Iraq would probably be a very peaceful place today... only problem is there would be about 6 Iraqis left alive to enjoy it.

but i thought it was al qaeda that instigated the insurgency.


Posted by klifferd


Doesn't matter who instigated it, what matters is the Iraqi people chose to go along with it.

If as Danni said, 1,000,000 Iraqis have died in this war, then someone other then America is to blame because we haven't killed anywhere near that amount... The Iraqis did it to themselves... Because Arab Muslims are savage and violent... what other explanation is there?

If as Danni said, 1,000,000 Iraqis have died in this war, then someone other then America is to blame because we haven't killed anywhere near that amount... The Iraqis did it to themselves... Because Arab Muslims are savage and violent... what other explanation is there?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

"oFFICAL cIA" QUOTES!!!

BBC probe: Gag orders hide contractor corruption in Iraq

The US justice department has imposed gagging orders which prevent the real scale of the problem emerging.

video.google.com

D-LIST material? lol

no gagging on Iraqi death total, though...

"But I'm not allowed to say..."

So Rob, I've been the one advocating that we leave Iraq to the Iraqis, are you now going to join my team???? They will kill Americans as long as Americans choose to be in their country. For some odd reason they are suspicious that we really want their oil. Silly Muslims, we don't want their stinking oil, we just wanted to free them from Saddam and give them democracy.

For some odd reason they are suspicious that we really want their oil. Silly Muslims

Indeed... they think we've come to steal their oil so they start murdering each other by the hundreds of thousands... possibly millions.

That would be like if Russia took over the East Coast to steal Jersey's toxic waste, and in retaliation I started murdering every man, woman and child in Delaware I could find...

Silly Muslims, we don't want their stinking oil, we just wanted to free them from Saddam and give them democracy.

Posted by danni

From a certain perspective, that may be more true than you realize.

www.gregpalast.com

That is too bad... "Kill'em all!!!, Let ALLAH sort'em out"

We should have used a Cluster Bomb. That way we could kill those soldiers and whatever Pakistani Mutt civilians that happened to be walking back from the latest rape victim stoning.

Rob the Asshole:

These 11 soldiers were probably working with AQ... fuck em.... hope they suffered.



Spoken like a true American war monger.

You lot never fail to disappoint.

Anyway... if any American feels the killing of 11 border-guards (not "soldiers") is going to achieve some sort of goal of theirs... well good luck with that.

Spoken like a true American war monger.

If you toiletpaperless savages would do something about the assholes in country/religion, we wouldn't have to be there at all...

Take your shit smeared hands, pick up a gun, and deal with the fanatics in your country, and all will be fine. Until then... BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
A!!!

Another plus is that Pakistan smells a little better today...

I suppose I should also start cheering when any Amreekan swine in uniform gets to go home in a body-bag. Or gets his limbs blown off.

How many has it been so far? Iraq plus Afghanistan?

But since I am not a war mongering Amreekan and therefore rather more civilized in manners, that is not something I do.

Oh WTF.. I'm not THAT civilized... LOL. Maybe I should also start.

I request everyone here to remember that Asshole-Rob made me cheer the death of every Amreekan that goes home in a body bag.

Also notice, the name "Amreekan" is back. You swine don't deserve to called by your proper name.

"It's been a good war for Exxon and friends. Since George Bush began to beat the war-drum for an invasion of Iraq, the value of Exxon's reserves has risen are you ready for this? by $2 trillion.

"Obama's war profiteering tax, or "oil windfall profits" tax, would equal just 20% of the industry's charges in excess of $80 a barrel. It's embarrassingly small actually, smaller than every windfall tax charged by every other nation. (Ecuador, for example, captures up to 99% of the higher earnings).

"Nevertheless, oilman George W. Bush opposes it as does Bush's man McCain. Senator McCain admonishes us that the po' widdle oil companies need more than 80% of their windfall so they can explore for more oil. When pigs fly, Senator. Last year, Exxon spent $36 billion of its $40 billion income on dividends and special payouts to stockholders in tax-free buy-backs. Even the Journal called Exxon's capital investment spending "stingy."

At today's prices Obama's windfall tax, teeny as it is, would bring in nearly a billion dollars a day for the US Treasury. Clinton's plan is similar. Yet the press' entire discussion of gas prices is shifted to whether the government should knock some sales tax pennies off the oil companies' pillaging at the pump.

"More important than even the Democrats' declaring that oil company profits are undeserved, is their implicit understanding that the profits are the spoils of war.
And that's another reason to tax the oil industry's ill-gotten gain. Vietnam showed us that foreign wars don't end when the invader can no longer fight, but when the invasion is no longer profitable."


Greg Palast is usually right on the latest political scam pulse...good post hag:>)

**** ... only problem is there would be about 6 Iraqis left alive to enjoy it.
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole*****

.......I wonder if those six would be grateful we brought them democracy ??......

Exxon's reserves up $2 trillion...how's beer been doing?

I request everyone here to remember that Asshole-Rob made me cheer the death of every Amreekan that goes home in a body bag.

High five everyone!!!

Fake tosser gone... real tosser exposed...

I'm shocked.

.......I wonder if those six would be grateful we brought them democracy ??......

Posted by skizziks


Probably... that's a lot of oil money divided among 6 people.

Rob the Asshole:

These 11 soldiers were probably working with AQ... fuck em.... hope they suffered.



Spoken like a true American war monger.

You lot never fail to disappoint.

Anyway... if any American feels the killing of 11 border-guards (not "soldiers") is going to achieve some sort of goal of theirs... well good luck with that.



Posted by Tosser


geez....rob ~ you are one lost puppy fooltool

Fake tosser gone


Hey, I never made a secret of disliking you people.

But there is such a thing as manners where you don't badmouth the dead of others, specially if they wear a uniform.

But I guess, it is now OK to play by your rules since that is the Amreekan language you speak.

Yep, now you get the real me. High 5.

But there is such a thing as manners where you don't badmouth the dead of others, specially if they wear a uniform.

When those soldiers/border guards/whatever the fuck you want to call them, are allied with terrorists trying to kill Americans then fuck manners... And if you pakistanis have a problem with it, then do something about it...

Rob are you really as much of an idiot as your posts would indicate?

I remember when you Amreekan war mongers killed 4 Canadians in an airstrike in Afghanistan.

Even then I remember you people saying on various forums "fuck them, too bad", despite the fact they were Canadian.

It is something that comes naturally to an Amreekan.

And if you pakistanis have a problem with it, then do something about it...



Don't wish for that Boy.

We can raise the heat inside Afghanistan in a thousand different ways and put your people under threat without lifting a finger.

But since they are going to launch an investigation and give us a proper explanation, we shall see.


Rob are you really as much of an idiot as your posts would indicate?

Posted by Salaryman


Ask your mother...

------------------
Asked whether Pakistan would continue to co-ordinate with coalition forces, Major General Athar Abbas, a Pakistani military spokesman, said: "That is not the point. We have handed over our protest to the coalition forces."

"We will wait for their reply. And whatever is their reply we would like them to consider it seriously."

The US said the air and artillery strike is being investigated further.
------------------

Ignore the troll and it will go away.

"you people" ?

tosser

you mean the ones that make up Al Qaeda? & other lies & distortions ?



Modus operandi of a pre-9/11 Israeli "art student" revealed

One of the over 120 Israeli "art students" who cased federal office buildings and military bases during a year and a half before the 9/11 attacks has revealed details of her "assignment" in the United States to a WMR source.
The former art student, who is now assigned to work with a non-governmental organization (NGO) in South Africa on research on violent crime against South African whites by blacks, said she was first assigned to work at an Israeli-owned shopping mall kiosk in Orange County, California, in early 2001 to "brush up on her American English language skills."

From California the young Israeli woman was transferred to Chicago and then to Houston, where she worked in an office close to the sprawling port facility. Her "cover" was as an accountant for an Israeli intelligence front company involved in the shipping business. It should be noted that former CIA Southeast Region Station Chief Roland V. Carnaby, shot to death on April 29 by two Houston police officers, was known to have been concerned about the lack of security at the port of Houston, was monitoring the activities of Israeli intelligence in the greater Houston area, and was known to have clashed with the Department of Homeland Security over its lack of interest in providing security for the Port of Houston.

onlinejournal.com

We can raise the heat inside Afghanistan in a thousand different ways and put your people under threat without lifting a finger.

You're already working with Al Qaeda... you pakistanis just are too cowardly to have a straight fight so you pay and train other people to fight for you. Its no wonder your women look more butch then the men... they have bigger balls.

you pakistanis just are too cowardly to have a straight fight



:-)

You're already working with Al Qaeda... you pakistanis just are too cowardly to have a straight fight so you pay and train other people to fight for you. Its no wonder your women look more butch then the men... they have bigger balls.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Gee, I alway thought you are Robby dear:>)

Both parties are owned by the AIPAC Lobby, the Israel Lobby

www.youtube.com

you mean the ones that make up Al Qaeda? & other lies & distortions ?



I mean the people who voted The Chimp into office. TWICE.

A majority, therefore, stands with The Chimp.

Now a majority of Americans will elect that senile trash, Bomb-Iran-McCaine.

A majority of Americans want to be war mongers.

A majority, therefore, stands with The Chimp.

Tosser

2 stolen elections does not constitute a majority...but a nation of whimps...I'll go along with that:>)

with neo-con freaks running the military machine from hell....

Vote Frauds

www.whatreallyhappened.com

Now a majority of Americans will elect that senile trash, Bomb-Iran-McCaine.

Even Obama has said he will bomb Pakistan...

Have you stopped to think why there wasn't one Presidential Candidate for America that said they wouldn't bomb Pakistan? Can't all be warmongerers...

"I mean the people who voted The Chimp into office. TWICE."

Granted, he ran against two horrible candidates, but Bush's reelection might be the saddest moment in the history of American politics.

I know a couple of people who voted for him twice. One is up there in age and a little bit senile. The other is an unthinking, drunken Republican shill. And both of them now regret it (although I think the shill would find a way to rationalize voting for him again given the chance to do so).

Have you stopped to think why there wasn't one Presidential Candidate for America that said they wouldn't bomb Pakistan? Can't all be warmongerers...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

yeah why is that...beside the neo-conned Ron Paul?



Jon Stewart makes fun of Obama and Aipac

www.youtube.com

Carter: "US Candidates MUST do as Israel says"

www.youtube.com

A majority, therefore, stands with The Chimp.
Posted by Tosser

I'm ignoring my own advice.

You know nothing, Tosser....

Roughly 50% of Americans vote in any presidential election counting all parties.

That means that roughly 25% of Americans are responsible for voting for Bush, and the legitimacy of either of those elections is far from proven.

I'm going back to taking my own advice.

ron paul: nancy pelosi pulled iran bill on orders of israel

www.youtube.com

I'm going back to taking my own advice.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine


Sometimes its fun to fuck with tosser...

Sometimes its fun to fuck with tosser...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

lets the see if rob's vote can help bush here...

www.msnbc.msn.com

Bani,
How in the fuck did you and all of the other losers attempt to make a point before youtube?


Teacher: Why are you so stupid?
Bani:
www.youtube.com

Sometimes it's fun to f*ck with You, rob... chairborne too...

dealing with willie wanker is just... unsatisfying.

Bani,
How in the fuck did you and all of the other losers attempt to make a point before youtube?


Teacher: Why are you so stupid?
Bani: www.youtube.com

Posted by 101Chairborne


some of us were in WHO's Who Worldwide since 1992...


PALESTINE ~~ THE LAND THAT NEVER WAS'

desertpeace.wordpress.com

Teacher: Why are you so stupid?
Bani: www.youtube.com

Posted by 101Chairborne

LOL!! FF>
youtube.com

lets the see if rob's vote can help bush here...

www.msnbc.msn.com

Posted by Bani


An online poll for impeachment of President Bush from MSNBC's website... oh wow, this will surely have lasting consequences...

"""After the invasion of Iraq, and the overthrow of Saddam's government, the Iraqi people had a choice. Sieze the opportunity given them and improve their society free from tyranny and oppression... or start murdering anyone/everyone who doesn't exactly agree with their brand of Islam, as well as the very people who freed them from Hussein."""

You illegally invaded a country that never asked for your help, blew the infrastructure to shits, took out the only stable political element, disbanded the guard (350,000 soldiers) then stood around with your thumbs up your arses for lack of a better plan and you blame the mess on Iraqis?

If you actually take your blinders off, you might realize that the mess is due to the uninvited "guest". Your country's motto shouldn't be Land of the Free, should be the Land of the Stupid and Arrogant...deadly combination.

I don't necessarily disagree, pancho..

pero... de donde esta ud.?

oh wow, this will surely have lasting consequences...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

like posting here?...lol

You illegally invaded a country that never asked for your help, blew the infrastructure to shits, took out the only stable political element, disbanded the guard (350,000 soldiers) then stood around with your thumbs up your arses for lack of a better plan and you blame the mess on Iraqis?

Even if everything you say is true, why does that lead to Iraqis killing each other by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions?

Can someone explain that to me? If someone takes over Jersey, and completely fucks over the place... literally destroys everything... I don't start murdering everyone I can see... I either leave or work to make it a better place.

I just don't get why that's the time to begin murdering hundreds of thousands of people... or why that is America's fault.

I just don't get why that's the time to begin murdering hundreds of thousands of people... or why that is America's fault.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


"I mean afterall we got rid of their dictator & gave them democracy."

"I just don't get why that's the time to begin murdering hundreds of thousands of people..."

That was the problem Rob, neither did George W. Bush who didn't even know there were Sunnis and Shia in Iraq. That's just it, you don't go invading countries (especially artificially assembled countries) without knowing about stuff like that.
An incompetent moron that invades a country and puts into motion the events which cause 100s of thousands of deaths is just as guilty as if he understood the consequences. The people are still dead.

That's just it, you don't go invading countries (especially artificially assembled countries) without knowing about stuff like that.

So you agree with me from earlier, where I said the reason they aren't a peaceful and stable country is because of who they are... Arab Muslims.

As much as I hate to say it, I see Rob's point.

I was never for invading Iraq, let alone doing it without a plan and under the guise of bringing Democracy to people who never asked for it.

But... Did Iraqis really need to so gleefully seize the opportunity to start slaughtering each other over petty ethnic/religious differences? I mean, by their actions, you'd have to say they object to the other Iraqi ethnic groups being in Iraq more than they do our troops being in Iraq. You can't argue that they hate our troops more when their main focus is on killing each other....

Unless you think that Iraqis are mindless animals who can't help but slaughter each other given the opportunity, you have to place some of the blame for what goes on over there on them. They are not babies.

The only reason people fail to see this is the good guy/bad guy mentality most people seem to suffer: Bush was wrong to invade and went about it horribly so he's the bad guy. Therefore, anyone who doesn't like Bush is a good guy no matter how horrible their own behavior is.

Sorry but that is just stupid. And Pancho - for all your arrogant talk about how stupid Americans are, you seem to be suffering from this thinking disorder more than most.....

'George W. Bush has gotten away with murder'

Bugliosi has much more than 'probable cause' to bring charges against Bush and his inner circle. He has the smoking gun, the open and shut case, the verifiable, indisputable fact that Bush knew Saddam did not have WMD but sent some 4,000 Americans to their deaths in Iraq anyway. I want to see McClellan on the witness stand spilling his guts about how Bush planned to hoax the world for the benefit of Dick Cheney's Halliburton!

existentialistcowboy.blogspot.
com


"If the US was actually "coordinating" the artillery and airstrike with Pakistan, how did they wind up with 11 dead Pakistani soldiers?!?
All of a sudden, in online articles, we are seeing a real demonization of the current Pakistani regime.

"One has to wonder if these articles have been placed to "soften up" the American people toward some kind of military strike on Pakistan.

"And remember; just to Pakistan's western border lies....Iran." writes M.R. of WRH

You know, I'm not sure your premise is true. If you disbanded the American military, fired all the police and set up a foreign power's military in the US as the rulers you would have several groups form. Group one would cooperate with the foreigners, group two would fight against the foreigners and their collaborators and three the criminals who just see an opportunity.
Soon you would have collaborators being murdered, non-collaborators being killed by the foreigners, and criminals killing anyone and everyone.
You look at Iraq from a perspective of an American, thus considering America to be the "good guys" and those who collaborate with us also "good guys" but if you were Iraqi you would probably see both of those two groups as your enemy.

I think one positive that will come from the Iraq war is that it has exposed Arab Muslims for what they are...

They had their chance to make a better society and life for themselves... they chose chaos and death because some people have a different version of the Koran.

So you agree with me from earlier, where I said the reason they aren't a peaceful and stable country is because of who they are... Arab Muslims.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


lol

nice one...

Nabbed!!! Iranian intelligence catch CIA network of saboteur thugs
Why Elitist Terrorist organization CIA should be dismantled...
Brief overview of CIA interventions 1953-1989 (2:

www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com

Provocations as Pretexts for Imperial War: From Pearl Harbor to 9/11
By James Petras* Axis of Logic
May 25, 2008, 10:39

axisoflogic.com

Gee, that will be great solace for the parents and families of our dead soldiers.
Secondly, review the Iraq occupation led by Paul Bremer and see who blew it in Iraq, who disbanded the military, who fired the police, who imported labor rather than hiring Iraqis, who used imported construction materials instead of products taht Iraq was very capable of producing....who unemployed the vast majority of Iraqi men....Paul Bremer....if you want to know who fucked up the Iraq reconstruction he's your guy.

Why did We choose Chaos and Death? oh yeah, because somebody makes money off it.

They had their chance to make a better society and life for themselves... they chose chaos and death because some people have a different version of the Koran.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


the Bible rules!!!

Peacetrain

www.lucasgray.com

"Arab Muslims "

i think we were fighting the shi'ites more then the arabs.

but agreed, that areas belief system (which i will say is not koranic) is twisted and the tribal cultures from which they come from need to be eliminated and both the usa in iraq, and especially the iraqi government in my opinion is obliged to build an education system that steers its people away from the tribal warlike mentality.

violence can not be used to solve the modern worlds problems

and their lack of understanding on the koran is the reason why they are being duped into violence against their own.

Danni, that's not what happened... well on some level I'm sure it happened... but the heart of the violence was Sunni and Shia...

in your scenario if something like what we did in Iraq happened here, it would be more like if Protestants used that opportunity to begin killing every Catholic they could find, and vice versa.

They used what should have been a great opportunity to make a better nation to kill people who didn't believe their exact brand of Islam...

I'd love for someone to explain why they did that...

Paul Bremer....if you want to know who fucked up the Iraq reconstruction he's your guy.

Posted by danni


Even still, why does that lead to Iraqis killing by the thousands instead of saying, "Paul Bremer is a fucking idiot, we'll fix it ourselves."

Straight up plain and simple, if the Iraqis took it upon themselves to make Iraq a better place, our casualties would be exponentially lower, and we probably would have a very small presence there now... if you're looking for someone to blame in Iraq... its the Iraqis.

"Arab Muslims "

i think we were fighting the shi'ites more then the arabs.


I think you get the point... but to keep this from being a smokescreen, I'll change Arab Muslims, to "Muslims from Middle East Nations" that are the problem.

it would be more like if Protestants used that opportunity to begin killing every Catholic they could find, and vice versa.
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

You don't think that could happen here under the right circumstances? The far fringes of each of those groups barely consider one another human, let alone equally christian... and by strict definition of their dogma, they aren't.

"They used what should have been a great opportunity to make a better nation"

That's a tough piece of propoganda to swallow. Being occupied by a hostile foreign power who is telling you how to go about setting up your government is not a "great opportunity". If they were holding off on rebuilding until they could force us out, I wouldn't blame them for that. There is no sensible reason for them to go along with our agenda as it involves keeping an unwanted military presence there for decades.

Its not a great opportunity for rebuilding. But its also not time to start slaughtering each other for petty reasons, not that it ever is.

But its also not time to start slaughtering each other for petty reasons, not that it ever is.

Posted by Sully


911, Deep State Violence and the Hope of Internet Politics

The unthinkable - that elements inside the state would conspire with criminals to kill innocent civilians - has become not only thinkable but commonplace in the last century. A seminal example was in French Algeria, where dissident elements of the French armed forces, resisting General de Gaulle's plans for Algerian independence, organized as the Secret Army Organization and bombed civilians indiscriminately, with targets including hospitals and schools. Critics like Alexander Litvinenko, who was subsequently murdered in London in November 2006, have charged that the 1999 bombings of apartment buildings around Moscow, attributed to Chechen separatists, were in fact the work of the Russian secret service (FSB).

www.globalresearch.ca

business as usual...

"You don't think that could happen here under the right circumstances? The far fringes of each of those groups barely consider one another human, let alone equally christian... and by strict definition of their dogma, they aren't."

Oh the drama... How big are these "far fringes"? What chance would they have of hiding in major cities in well populated neighborhoods with all the local people covering for them (because they agree with thtem)?

I know its fashionable to A) talk as much shit about Americans as possible and B) pretend any crazy thing that goes on in other countries could easily happen here because we are the only fucked up country with unique problems.... But do we really have to go this far?

And keep in mind, you are talking about these wackos focusing their attention on one another rather than the foreign power (people who don't even believe in Jebus) that is occupying the country. I'm sorry but THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE. NEVER EVER EVER.

You're already working with Al Qaeda... you pakistanis just are too cowardly to have a straight fight so you pay and train other people to fight for you. Its no wonder your women look more butch then the men... they have bigger balls.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Tough talk from the keyboard warrior that found ROTC too tough.I would bet money Tosser "the Paki" could kick your little ass in a "straight fight".
You could take him in a typing race though Wobbie.

"Its no wonder your women look more butch then the men... they have bigger balls."
LOL I'm sure your Jewish wife will have quite the mustache soon.Golda Meir was such a babe.

originaldo.com

I almost laughed out my esophagus in chunks reading your post, SCOTTY!

Scotty... long time no douchechills...

Here's what I love about you liberal queers (in this case Canadians, but they're pretty much synonymous nowadays)... Look at all the personal info Scotty remembers about me, but he only has two posts in his blog history. Here's what I know about Scotty... he's gay... whoops Canadian. That's it... why? Because I could give a fuck about him... but clearly I've gotten so under Scotty's translucent frostbitten skin that he's had to make a note of a few things about me...

All you did in your little rant was prove how much I fucking own you Scott...

Maybe you could ask your lumberjack wife for a back rub to ease the tension that is building up at yet another failure to get to me Scott... Nice try.

"Look at all the personal info Scotty remembers about me, but he only has two posts in his blog history:

Yeah Wobbie just today you have posted from 11 am till 1:15 am.You are such a Keyboard Warrior.You broke 90 posts today studly.

"Scotty's translucent frostbitten skin"

Wobbie frostbite turns skin black so it couldn't be translucent.

"..yet another failure to get to me Scott... Nice try."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I almost laughed out my esophagus in chunks reading your post, SCOTTY!

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-06-11 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even your fellow Americans disagree with you Wob



Wobbie you should find a different outlet for your internal rage.The majority of Drudge community think of you as the village idiot.13 hours a day spewing your nonsense is pathetic.Stop being afraid and leave your computer and go outside.I promise that there is no big bad brown Arab waiting to get you.

Whoever scotty is, he knows rob. Knows him well.

I count a little over a hundred posts here at the time of my writing. Rob has 25 of them. Nearly 25% of an entire thread is one guy.

Usually his % is higher too. Sad.

And robs got about twice the # of posts I did between 6-11 and now. He has about 85 or so.

And I had the last two days OFF! Good lord.

Makes one wonder if Rob is even employed. Know what I mean.

Larry

I was right! It was all about the setting up of a post. The story the americans are giving out about pursuing taliban is plain bullshit.

---------------
Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, said: "The clashes are said to have involved an area ... called the White Peak, which is a contested area between Afghans and the Pakistanis.

"We were told that 80 Afghan and US forces occupied this area. They wanted to set up a forward post, we were told, but they were met with resistance. After that, the drones and bombers went into action.

"There are big questions now as to why the Americans want to set up a forward base at this peak.
-----------------

It doesn't matter if they killed 11 border-guards. We didn't let them set up a post on Pakistani territory and I would love to see them try again now that more weapons have been moved in.

Oh... and "someone" seems to have shot down a NATO chopper (unconfirmed).

Oops....

I wonder if the Amreekan crew cried like girls as the chopper was going down?

Thanks to Rob the Asshole for allowing me to badmouth dead American soldiers.

There seems to be an understanding reached since last night.

Both sides will downplay the incident and it will be "business as usual".

For now.

NATO lost 20 soldiers during the operation, btw. (unconfirmed)

I wonder what lies they will write to their families... how they died?

Alex,
You may want to check out the time stamps on your posts buttercup. I'm sure you're aware that you've posted here an obscene (using Dudley Dooright's standard) amount of times in the past 24 hours.

Pot meet kettle.

just to let yall know

the puppy killers have been delt with

apnews.myway.com

"Golda Meir"

That was great!

the puppy killers have been delt with


Achcha kia bata-diya...

Thanks.

And if you pakistanis have a problem with it, then do something about it...



Don't wish for that Boy.

We can raise the heat inside Afghanistan in a thousand different ways and put your people under threat without lifting a finger.

But since they are going to launch an investigation and give us a proper explanation, we shall see.

Posted by Tosser

Last man standing, asshole.

'"Golda Meir"

That was great!'

Yes, anti-semitism is a fantastic thing on the Drudge Retort. Definitely something to be proud of and to celebrate. The people who took the time to point out how funny they think it is are more pathetic than the guy who posted the trash to being with..... (And before you idiots start - calling Golda Meir ugly is not anti-semetic. Calling all jewish women mustached hags is - which is what is apparently making all you goons "LOL".)

Considering the amount of ammo Rob gives you, its pretty pathetic that this is the best you creeps can do.

And no, I'm not jewish, I'm not married to or dating a jew, I'm not an evangelical in love with Israel, etc etc etc. I'm just not a bigot like some of you here.


Considering the amount of ammo Rob gives you, its pretty pathetic that this is the best you creeps can do.

um... thanks?

I wonder if the Amreekan crew cried like girls as the chopper was going down?

Thanks to Rob the Asshole for allowing me to badmouth dead American soldiers.

Posted by Tosser at 2008-06-12 05:59


Tosser,

Woobie the Poop Shooter does not speak for America.

A lot of us are very concerned with what is going on over there. Of course, there is little we can do just now, we are stuck with the current Regime until November. If we question we get them wonderful response of, "we voted for them, SO?"

So please don't feed the troll and hopefully he won't come back Tosser.

If NATO troops have killed any Pakistani Soldiers I am sure it was an accident and I hope we can resolve this incident peaceably. We do need your country as an ally in these troubling times.

Having said that I am sure you are aware of the issues regarding your Border areas. They need to be resolved so that order can be restored and the last refuge of Osama and his gang of thieves and hoodlums can be eliminated..

Don't you agree?

So says Marine Donnerboy... the same fucking pussy who brought us, "I would punch Bush and Cheney in the face... okay, I guess I wouldn't."

sully

rob can deal with the racist marks at him
cause he makes racist marks too

so goes the retort where every religion, every race and every political group are a bunch of fucktards ;)


the way it should be

"rob can deal with the racist marks at him"

Technically, these numbnuts are directing their racist remarks at his wife.

To be honest, the part that bothered me was the people responding to the remark like it was some kind of master stroke.

If someone was shredding me on this site and the best I could come back with is "Your wife is a chink" do you think a bunch of losers would feel the need to tell me how funny that was? I think not. You pretty much have to be a real bigot to think of such remarks as high comedy and there are some genuine anti-semites on this site.

"Golda Meir"

That was great!'

Yes, anti-semitism is a fantastic thing on the Drudge Retort. Definitely something to be proud of and to celebrate. The people who took the time to point out how funny they think it is are more pathetic than the guy who posted the trash to being with..... (And before you idiots start - calling Golda Meir ugly is not anti-semetic. Calling all jewish women mustached hags is - which is what is apparently making all you goons "LOL".)

Considering the amount of ammo Rob gives you, its pretty pathetic that this is the best you creeps can do.

And no, I'm not jewish, I'm not married to or dating a jew, I'm not an evangelical in love with Israel, etc etc etc. I'm just not a bigot like some of you here.


Posted by Sully at 2008-06-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag

You are so noble Sully,It is OKAY for Rob to say to Tosser about Pakistani women "Its no wonder your women look more butch then the men... they have bigger balls." but his wife is off limits because she is Jewish.I guess that makes you a Racist by YOUR standards.

Alex,
You may want to check out the time stamps on your posts buttercup. I'm sure you're aware that you've posted here an obscene (using Dudley Dooright's standard) amount of times in the past 24 hours.

Pot meet kettle.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-06-12 08:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

I mentioned I had two whole days off. And rob still outposted me 2 to 1!

And he supposedly "works".

Voices around the world are saying, "go home Yankee"!

If NATO troops have killed any Pakistani Soldiers I am sure it was an accident and I hope we can resolve this incident peaceably.


They have offered Pakistan a joint investigation of the incident, so it might have been a honest mistake in the fog of war. Such mistakes have happened before.

Hell, not so long ago, they even tried to land 2 F-16s on one of our motorways, thinking it was a runway. They realized their mistake in the last seconds and went away.

Donnerboy, are you a soldier?

I was rather more disturbed... MUCH more disturbed... by that video of these marines killing a puppy for fun. Pakistani border-guards getting killed... they wear a uniform and the risk comes with the job... so that isn't so disturbing. But it was the puppy video that got to me.

Thanks to Klifferd who dug up the news that those assholes have lost their jobs.

With everything else you said, I agree.

TOSSER THE TERRORIST...is more concerned about a puppy being killed.....than a radical islamist chopping off a head....or shooting a person in the back of their head

Im sure i can seach the web and find plenty of video of islamist killing people and animals for fun

if the Marines raped the puppy because it was showing too much skin....Tosser the Terrorist would be fine with it

Awww shuttup troll...

The shorter Judas-
ethics and morality are relative terms to me, depending upon my perceived enemy and their moral code at the time.

YEA IT MUST BE HARD TO LOOK AT.. HOW PITAFUL YOUR OWN PEOPLE ARE

Learn to spell first, imbecile.

On a blog like this, where one's only interaction is by words, your only hope to create an impression, is to use words correctly.

English isn't my native language. What's your excuse?

Tosser- He's a moron. Best excuse ever.

But since they are going to launch an investigation and give us a proper explanation, we shall see.

Canada, after the Tarnac Farm incident, got an explanation that boiled down to...

"Whoops ...our bad!

Miscomunications plus amphetamines plus live ordinance equals unneccessary death.

We'll try not to do THAT again."

Don't feel too bad they sometimes do it to US troops too.

See: Pat Tillman.

Sometimes, it actually is an accident too.

Be Well.

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