GO FUCK YOURSELF DUBYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry Mohr

What a pussy flip-flopper.

Come on Bushites defend Your piece of shit pResident.

Larry Mohr

Let him pay his personal respects to the families of the 4100+ dead in Iraq. Let him visit the VA Hospitals where the permanently injured will wait for their treatment. That is his legacy and let him embrace it.

And let him pray to his "Other Father" for forgiveness because he deserves none from this Nation.

I'm sorry, so sorry
That I was such a fool
I didn't know
Love could be so cruel
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Uh-oh
Oh, yes

You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done

(I'm sorry) I'm sorry
(So sorry) So sorry
Please accept my apology
But love is blind
And I was to blind to see
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Uh-oh
Oh, yes

Rogue,


The lyrics you posted are eerily reminiscent of Uncle Albert by Paul McCartney - on Wings

Brenda Lee - circa 1960.

Nothing worse then a President in legacy mode.

Crying towels all around, please.

I have a feeling that if Adolph Hitler was given a do over, he would probably change a few things as well

If the shit fits, wear it.

"He (Bush) was troubled over how his country had been misunderstood...."

It wasn't the country, Bubba, it was just you.

janurary 20, 2009--The end of a great error

gun-slinging rhetoric

Launching a couple of wars and threatening another probably didn't help much, either.

Notice that Bush blames "rhetoric" for others seeing him as a warmonger. The man's "actions" aren't mentioned.

January 20 2009 the end of a great American TERROR. GeorgeIsADrunk. that looks better.

Larry Mohr

Georgethedrunk wrote,

"I have a feeling that if Adolph Hitler was given a do over, he would probably change a few things as well"


Ahh, nothing like a nice Hitler comparison to get the day started for the democrat sycophants.

Bee Swell

The thing to understand about Bush is that he really does want a medal---Along with tears---For himself. Hero and victim together. My, what perfect fantasy.

larry either would be an acceptable answer on the SAT test

Larry Mohr jacks off on another blog!


Bee Swell

There never was much comparison between Bush and Hitler. Hitler was a talented man.

craker, i am not a democrat. you got it all figured wrong. nice attempt to deflect.

Ladies and gentlemen, say what you want, it is the U.S. because we approved his message and allowed him to do the shit he did, as illegal as it was. We all killed 4000 of our own citizens and now look at all the great things that have come from it. Nothing except more strife. Evil begets evil.

Fuck all of us for being so stupid way back in '02. We've really learned a lesson now and it'll never happen again, at least not until next time.

Time to re-investigate the spirit of the constitution (that god damned piece of paper) and put presidential powers back under the check and balance system.

"Misunderstood"?

Gotta love it.

Tell that to the tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of dead and shattered Americans and Iraqis who are the real legacy of your mispresidency.

Its a shame that Bill Clinton wasted 8 years with no fly zones, UN resolutions, weapons inspectors, and bombing Baghdad.

Of course he must have been selling us some lies about the WMD just so he could fucking with Saddam.


Its also a shame that Kerry, Hillary, and most of the democrats in the senate believed Bill Clinton and later decided to vote to go to war themselves.

Bee Swell

Warns Obama that other nations are concerned that we might become somewhat protectionist....oh gee...the party at America's expense might be over????
Funny, he didn't worry about those other nations when he was starting wars that destabilized oil markets world wide but now he is concerned that if we say workers rights are important they will have a problem.
How come there he didn't say anything about how he destroyed the value of the dollar??

If he really regrets his war monger legacy, there's something he can do about it; bring the troops home.

Listen here You SOB Lipzoidial I did not kill those 4000 soldiers. I never approved of the Illegal War in Iraq. NEVER so DON'T YOU DARE Blame Me for it nor put their deaths upon Me. I HAD NO POWER TO STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Larry Mohr

I think Crackpipejunkie has begun eating his own liver. In my opinion, no number of consumed internal organs will compensate for how poorly Bush did his job.

Americans hate failed wars. Hate them. Bush, of course, expected to have been covered with glory five years ago. Well, too bad so sad. No statues for him.

But if Bush is engaging in such self-indulgent melancholy even before leaving office, we're in for a ride after he's left.

Horse out of the barn! Why close the door now?

"said that he was troubled about how his country had been misunderstood."

If he had lost the 2004 election, we could say we are misunderstood: We elected the guy in 2000 when he was running against a guy who was equally annoying and incompetent. Then we later discovered how stupid, lazy and insane he really is and got rid of him the first chance we got.

But we didn't. We re-elected the biggest jackass to ever sit in the Oval Office. There isn't much room for interpretation there......

"Selfish bastard...."

Exactly. The man wants to lay his head on our shoulders and weep for himself without admitting he's wrong about anything.

Fuck George Bush and Fuck his war.

"I think that in retrospect I could have used a different tone, a different rhetoric."

It's the lies and manipulations that have most of us upset.

The newspaper that scored this interview also happened to receive the initial leak about the Iraq/US security agreement that would keep the US in Iraq for years:

"...dozens of semi-permanent bases from which U.S. forces can launch missions with no prior consent from Iraq's government; control of Iraq's air space; and no guarantees the United States will defend Iraq against a foreign attack."

Ladies and gentlemen, say what you want, it is the U.S. because we approved his message and allowed him to do the shit he did, as illegal as it was. We all killed 4000 of our own citizens and now look at all the great things that have come from it. Nothing except more strife. Evil begets evil.

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-06-11 09:02 AM

The W in his name is for Warmonger.

George Warmonger Bush, that is how history will think of him.

Perhaps all the blame shouldn't fall on Bush himself for the mistake that the voters made,especially in 2004. The right wing talkers, Fox News, and the right wing press fooled millions, the rest of the media didn't do much better.
Then too, we have the right wing mindset that rejects in knee jerk fashion any criticism of any politician perceived to be right wing even when that criticism could help avoid some horrible mistakes as per Iraq.

any politician perceived to be right wing

Which is how the Republican Party ended up with a bunch of xenophobic tax cutters in office.

This was Monday, Tuesday he doesn't give a fuck again.

Bush says US economy is safe and sound.

Bush is a child of privilege, indifferent to human suffering, energized by a deep cruel streak, dangerously affected by religious delusions, contemptuous of ideas and intellectuals, disdainful of international law, still at large and dangerous as he plans an unjustifiable assault on Iran. Instead of depicting the Iraq War as an act of criminal aggression McClellan does the administration a big favor by merely terming it a "strategic blunder."

McClland takes a stab at illuminating Junior's bumpy and improbable boomerang journey from family black sheep and famous screw-up back to family black sheep and famous screw-up.

Is Bush the best President, no. Is he the worst, I don't think so, Carter comes to mind. As you all continue to harp on Bush, are you aware more troops actually died during the Clinton administration? Probably not, you are too busy sitting at home, posting to drudge, and collecting your welfare checks. The US grants you the freedom to speak, and all you can do is bitch. If you really want to make changes, run for your local or state government, anyone can do it. You probably won't, though, because it is much easier to sit at your computer and lob critisism over the fence at the people actually doing the work. If this is such a bad place and you hate it so much, leave! The door is open. You will not be missed.

I love how on these forums, no one ever really talks about ways to change things or make them better. It is only "Fuck You", or "Stupid Bush", or "Failed War."

Not saying that I have any great answers, Except the Fair Tax, but then again, I never post here. Just saying, it sure does get old hearing the same people post the same old crap.

I kind of hope Obama does get elected. McCain is not much better, and at least then I won't have to hear about how horrible the republicans are. Then again, I probably will not be able to afford the internet anyway because I will have to pay to send you bums to the hospital for your runny nose.

This war is a crime, pure and simple. The likes of BLT and others who continue the perpetuation of this crime makes them complicit. The profiteering from this war, all the missing money -- profiteering we're not allowed to know the full extent of due to a gag order -- tells me that anyone who supports or rationalizes this shit is a shit, an immoral, piece of utter human garbage. The blood from this war of lies -- yes, I know, dimblehead repubs don't mind being lied to when it perpetuates a paper mache' John Wayne facade -- against a paper tiger country in order to establish permanent presence in the ME, the blood is on all of our hands now, thanks to the traitors and pricks decent people allowed to steal the country away. I'm complicit as well.
We all are. War-monger? If there is a hell, the shits who put this into motion are going there, there souls rotten to the core... This is I believe...

Perhaps all the blame shouldn't fall on Bush himsef...

Indeed not. According to the Toyko War Convention (1946) any civilian who does not protest their govts illegal actions is themself personally liable.

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I love how on these forums, no one ever really talks about ways to change things or make them better. It is only "Fuck You", or "Stupid Bush", or "Failed War."

Not saying that I have any great answers,
Posted by azeus17



self retorting retort.

dude get help, prozac, lithium anything, just dont breed

America wanted blood after September 11. We tried to warn them that Iraq was a terrible mistake, but no one listened.

We all knew that Cheney was the real one in charge of this fiasco.
Even before Cheney began his search for a viable VP for 2000. He chose himself, what a surprise.

We all knew that this administration wanted war with Iraq, even before Cheney's secret energy task force meetings, (Iraqi oil fields were a topic on the agenda)

we all knew that GW was an idiot, a moron, a spoiled brat grandson of a Nazi sympathizer and WWII war profiteer.

But America chose him anyway. twice. Now it will take 20 years to fix what this administration has broken.

Own it conservatives.

AZEUS -- funny, I just did what you complained about and my obvious vent aside, I kind of agree with you. But I'm beyond angry and sad for my country -- this administration has taken things to a new low of deceit, the use of government for the
accumulation of the power of the few over the many has never been so front and center with such negative consequences, not in this country. Or am I wrong? I'm an open minded fellow. Enlighten me.

Perhaps all the blame shouldn't fall on Bush himself...

Indeed not. According to the Toyko War Convention (1946) any civilian who does not protest their govts illegal actions is themselves personally liable.

Its a shame that Bill Clinton wasted 8 years with no fly zones, UN resolutions, weapons inspectors, and bombing Baghdad.





I guess CLinton's methods turned out to be pretty effective, eh, rightard? I mean, the fact that there WERE no WMD found there. Gotta admit it's hard for you to have it both ways.

are you aware more troops actually died during the Clinton administration?
Posted by azeus17

Have a reliable source for this information?

And tell me again what Carter did that was so horrible. The worst of his legacy, the Iranian hostages, why they all came home alive, what a tragedy that was.

AZEUS -- also, please, this whole idea that Obama is going to create some kind of Cuban style welfare state and steal your property and whatever riches you call yours is soooooo yesterdays Limbaugh bile.
So wrong. So untrue. So, well... stupid.

Nothing worse then a President in legacy mode.

Posted by shirtsbyeric


Nothing worse than a failed president in fabricating a legacy mode.

And Az-Bush makes Carter look like Jefferson. How many hostages died under Carter? Zero. How many have been beheaded in Iraq?
And AZ-as far as the troops killed, that rightwingnut bullshit email was flushed down the toilet here looonnngg ago. You are counting troops killed in 8 years of training and accidents under Cinton and NOT counting any troops killed in training or accidents under Bush (there were more of them too).
That kind of BushisGod drivel may make you BMOC at the Freeper site, but here, reality rules and you righties drool.

Carter comes to mind...THEN...Not saying that I have any great answers, Except the Fair Tax

First a cliche and then an oxymoron. And this numbnut complains about the same "old crap" despite being a newbie.

azeus17

Seniority: 2265
Joined 2008/05/19
Visited 2008/06/11

something tells me we wont here from azelokisfur anymore.

hear not here

Truth Hurts Donut...
Geo?

Americans continue to be played like a cheap violin.

Globalism benefits the "elite" while the "working class" in every nation suffers.

Fair Trade? What's fair about it?

Here's what the banking masters say:

"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.
James Paul Warburg

This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.
David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller

"It cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change its perceptions."
Henry Kissinger

The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
Henry Kissinger

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.
Henry Kissinger

Bush regrets his failed warmonger legacy. He'd be proud of it if he had won something.

Then again, he'd have to have been a Democrat to win wars, and they don't brag.

"Is Bush the best President, no. Is he the worst, I don't think so, Carter comes to mind."

So typical and so stupid. Just this morning, as I already mentioned in another thread, conservative Joe Scarborough said, in an oped read on the air, we should basicly enact the policies of CArter in regard to energy. He said this as advice for John McCain for crying out loud.
In essence Joe said, though he might try to deny it now, was that the energy policies we have followed since Reagan cancelled the Carter energy plan have brought us to the disastrous place we are at today. Though he didn't specifically say it, it is obvious to anyone with an ounce of fairness that Jimmy Carter should be revered as a visionary followed by several backwards thinking politicians who told America what it wanted to hear instead of what it needed to do. Biggest mistake this country ever made was electing Ronnie Raygun instead of reelecting Jimmy Carter.

I did not think it was possible for me to have less respect for George W. Bush than I already had, but God damn if he didn't find a way to make it happen.

The only thing I can say to Dubya is: Fella, the contempt you're feeling from everyone is exactly the same contempt you displayed towards us.

If you wanted our respect, you might have shown us a little.

TruthHurts kicks ass and takes names as usual.

Larry

AZE?

AZE?

YOU THERE?

AZE?

COME OUT AND PLAY AZE!

I do not believe GWB regrets this legacy of warmongering even one bit. From the get go he nurtured it. He is lying. His only regret is that the wars he elected to needlessly engage in failed so badly, and destroyed his presidency. No intelligent analytic person sympathizes.

W regrets one thing: The voice that tells him he's awesome isn't shared by everyone else.

I normally don't shout but I am today. THE WORST PIECE OF SHIT PRESIDENT EVER BAR NONE. I TOLD YOU SO 4 YEARS AGO. YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN. I TOLD YOU SO.

Larry Mohr

Americans continue to be played like a cheap violin.

Globalism benefits the "elite" while the "working class" in every nation suffers.

Fair Trade? What's fair about it?

Here's what the banking masters say:

"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild

I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.
James Paul Warburg

This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.
David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller

"It cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change its perceptions."
Henry Kissinger

The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
Henry Kissinger

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.
Henry Kissinger


Posted by BobOtto

best post here so far by far...

just a shame AZElokisfur will never come back.

He regrets his reputation but does not regret the lies he told to get that reputation.

Has this guy ever had an honest moment in his life?

"Bush Regrets Warmonger Legacy"

YEAH!

And adamantly declares "Its Not My Fault" as Barbra Bush nods her head in agreement!

After all his lying, I doubt the sincerity of his regret.

More honest is the deep felt statement of his VP...."so?"

It's not too late Georgie!

You can still be the one to fix this (sort of). Begin immediate troop drawdowns and maybe, just maybe, some might soften their disgust against you.

I truly do hope he gets prosecuted and incarcerated, for a long time. Him and all of his criminal friends. He's a fucking disgrace and all the little peieces of shit, like our resident idiot, CPJ, who cheerleaded his tenure until a couple of weeks ago, should join him in hell.

And, hey, all you sobbing losers crying about the poor 4,000 Soldiers/Sailors, etc, that he murdered, the number of deaths in Iraq goes way up into the 6 digits. THAT is a real crime and the very fact that none of you even aknowledge it speaks volumes about the effectiveness of the American propaganda machine. Keep on believing in that good ol' apple pie, assholes.

"He (Bush) was troubled over how his country had been misunderstood...."

It wasn't the country, Bubba, it was just you.

We understood Bush and his country quite well.

Again, you idiots prove my point. While I am at work, working, making a living to support myself, my family, and most of you, you are on here taunting anyone who would dare stand up to you. I see several of you have had time to post several times if that brief amount of time. Good for you.

northguy3- how is that an cliche or an oxymoron? Carter was not bad because of what he did. he was bad for not doing anything at all. Oxymoron?? I was just making the statement that I support the fair tax. How does me being a "newbie" have anything to do with it? Only proves my first point, oh grand master of posting!

OzarkAggie-I will admit that my original statement is false. Not by much though. At least GW had the balls to declare war with the support of Congress and the UN. At least I have the balls to admit that I was wrong. Slick Willie just did it off the books. That is an awful lot of people to be dead and never even go to war. Why aren't you guys bitching about that.

Kingzilla- "reality rules and you righties drool."

Cool rhyme. Did you just learn that in your GED class.

Before you all have some great, creative ways to poke fun at me, I have to go do some more work now so I will not be back today to debate these points with you. Instead of waisting your time posting replys to make yourself look smart or to entertain yourself, do something productive, like looking for a job and contributing to the system instead of draining it.

The Right Wing of the Republician Party loves to attack President Carter, just blame him for everything, they get there jollies off saying what ever they think will prove there case that he was a Bad President.

Had the American People an the Congress listen to him in 1978 when he warned us that we needed to rid ourselves of our dependancy on foreign oil, we would not be paying $4.50 a gallon for gas today.
President Carter had Solar Panels on the White House only for them to be removed when the lord an God of the Republician Party Ronald Reagan had them removed, when he was elected.

Jimmy Carter was the man when the Peace accord was signed between Egypt an Israel, an peace was achieved between those two countries that remain till today. For those two items alone his accomplishments far exceed anything this fucking idiot that lives in the White House today.

These fucking Republicians think that if you say something often enough that will make it true. I know it works for the Fox News crowd, but real Americans listen to all sides an come to there own conclusion....

"Instead of waisting your time posting replys to make yourself look smart or to entertain yourself, do something productive, like looking for a job and contributing to the system instead of draining it."

Um, actually, some of us have the kind of job many people dream of- jobs so good they actually allow for some personal time and space during a workday.

To get such a job, it helps to know that the plural of "reply" is "replies", and that there is no such word as "waisting". You mean wasting, as in, "I've never seen so many Republicans wasting their seed on the production of such arrogant, simple-minded progeny."

OzarkAggie-I will admit that my original statement is false. Not by much though. At least GW had the balls to declare war with the support of Congress and the UN. At least I have the balls to admit that I was wrong. Slick Willie just did it off the books. That is an awful lot of people to be dead and never even go to war. Why aren't you guys bitching about that.


didnt reply to me who schooled you, odd.

additional schooling-Presidents dont declare war. Congress does. And Congress didnt declare war. They authorized Bush to confront the threat posed by Iraq, subtle difference but there is a difference.

you are aware it was less than the number of lives lost in the military during raygun's presidency?

seems as for staying alive in the military i would prefer a democrat in the white house.

school's out, any more learning you and I will have to charge you.

btw from the following link

While it is true that there were 2,392 military fatalities during the final year of the Jimmy Carter administration, what the message fails to share with us -- and there is no clearer indication of its partisan intent -- is a full accounting of military casualties attributable to the Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations. Those are as follows:

Ronald Reagan (1981 - 1988) ........ 17,201 deaths

George H. W. Bush (1989 - 1992) .... 6,223 deaths


and bush the elder was only president for 4 years so multiplying his numbers by 2 you get

12,446

So we have Raygun 17,201
Bush the elder 12446
Clinton 7500
Bush the lesser around 12,000 I believe

so lets look at these numbers

Clinton had 43.6% the number of dead GI's that Raygun had or in other words for every dead GI during Clinton's presidency 2.29 US military personnel died durin Rayguns

and prorating here
Clinton had 60.3% the number of dead GI's that Bush the Elder had or in other words for every dead GI during Clinton's presidency 1.66 US military personnel died during Bush the Elder's

and again prorating
Clinton had 62.5% the number of dead GI's that Bush the Lesser had or in other words for every dead GI during Clinton's presidency 1.6 US military personnel died during Bush the Lesser's


So again AZE you are an ignorant little pissant.

They authorized Bush to confront the threat posed by Iraq, subtle difference but there is a difference.
Posted by truthhurts

No, there's a huge difference, which the righties refuse to acknowledge.

Let's look at the police, as a society, we authorize them to use force. We expect them to use judgment in doling out that force, not to use it as a first resort, but to have that authorization as a bargaining chip. Only to use it if absolutely necessary.
No one can say that Bush used every resource available before he resorted to the violence. He misused the authority granted him.

At least GW had the balls to declare war with the support of Congress and the UN. ... Slick Willie just did it off the books. That is an awful lot of people to be dead and never even go to war. Why aren't you guys bitching about that.

Posted by azeus17 at 2008-06-11 02:17 PM

Cool, another hot one. Can't wait to see how you mature, azeus. You look promising.

The US hasn't DECLARED WAR since WWII, get a fucking clue. Besides that, if you think "Balls" actually amount to anything, then you're a knuckle-dragging neanderthal. I'd like to see you deliver the KIA leter to a grieving mother. "Well, Mrs. Smith, it's true that your son died for no good reason that anyone can think of but, buck up, and remember that your president has a big set of balls between those lily white thighs. Balls trump brains, yep, that's the new American slogan, M'am".

If Bush had balls he'd have been in Nam when he had the chance. He's a craven coward and a loser, has been his whole life, it's available on the public record, easy to find. Anyone who EVER supported him is either pathetically stupid or just plain vindictive. Take your choice.

I'm no Clinton fan either, btw, check my posts for proof, but Bubba, as slimy as he was/is did nothing anywhere near the level of criminality that Dubya has acheived.

Clinton deserves to be forgotten, W deserves to be in shackles.

The UN Security Council did NOT Sanction the Iraq War NOR Authorized it therefore Illegal.

Larry Mohr

(Right Wing America surmises: Hey theres nothing we can do about all those murdered people now...no way we can give em back their lives...so lets just move on and concentrate on winning this election!!!)


I guess Bush and his backers,cronies,accomplices etc.think that expressing this "regret" should make all the murdered innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq and their surviving relations,feel glad now that they didn't all "die" needlessly and in vain!

**Anyone who quotes a War Monger and War Criminal like Henry Kissinger in order to support the treasonous criminality of the Bush Regime,is not only totally brain fucked,he's also exactly what the personnel dept's at the CIA and FBI are looking for!

It's interesting AZEUS brings up the subject of employment, I've often thought the best way to punish Bush is to give him a real job after he leaves office.

No, Bush isn't the worst president we've ever had, but he's real damned close. A large part of that was his laziness. If he'd worked for me he'd been fired for nonproductivity a long time ago.

Bush and his administration should be tried for the crimes they committed, the pain and suffering to untold thousands, the wasting of Iraq, the wasting of the US military and US treasury, the lying into WAR, Karina....damn, and proliferating the rich to get richer at the expense of the masses and planet Earth...
They should be accountable and the death penalty might be the only punishment for their crime.

President Bush has admitted to The Times that his gun-slinging rhetoric made
the world believe that he was a "guy really anxious for war" in Iraq.

If the shoe fits....

Can anyone point the general community to which international laws the Bush administration violated? Or some constitutional law violations?

Not "articles" -- actual law.

The UN Security Council did NOT Sanction the Iraq War NOR Authorized it therefore Illegal.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

The UN Security Council does NOT have to "authorize" war....

Read U.N. Charter Articles 51 & 52...

Oops... AND U.N. Charter Article 53.

"Bush Regrets Warmonger Legacy"

Bullshit! Fucking asshole ... He knew what he was doing.

Azeus -- if you happen to be on this old thread, back a number of posts you ascribed something to me which I never wrote. But I forgive you. By the way, if Carter's plans to pursue alternative energy weren't derailed by the thieves beholden to big oil -- mostly repubs -- we wouldn't be in this mess right now. But forward thinking and planning unfortunately isn't in the micro mental lexicon of the "my balls are bigger than your balls and I want my balls scratched now" gimmee, gimmee, takee, takee, so-called God fearing patriots who've sat on the toilet of power these past 7 years.
Oh, and I've got a great job -- though the industry is in trouble due to this wonderful economy -- I love making money. I love competing. I love cars and girls and even a Ted Nugent song or two (Stranglehold still kicks), so your classically idiotic and cliched' attempt to classify who or what a liberal is is, well, classically idiotic and cliched.
God bless your criminal coddling heart.

the congressional authorization regarding Iraq from October 2002 authorized bush to a. enforce UN Resolutions and b. confront the ongoing threat posed by Iraq.

In March 2003 it was demonstrated that Iraq posed no threat to the US.

therefore the invasion was illegal. Bush had no authority to invade.

Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.


self defense

not preventive war

Article 52
1. Nothing in the present Charter precludes the existence of regional arrangements or agencies for dealing with such matters relating to the maintenance of international peace and security as are appropriate for regional action, provided that such arrangements or agencies and their activities are consistent with the Purposes and Principles of the United Nations.

2. The Members of the United Nations entering into such arrangements or constituting such agencies shall make every effort to achieve pacific settlement of local disputes through such regional arrangements or by such regional agencies before referring them to the Security Council.

3. The Security Council shall encourage the development of pacific settlement of local disputes through such regional arrangements or by such regional agencies either on the initiative of the states concerned or by reference from the Security Council.

4. This Article in no way impairs the application of Articles 34 and 35.

Article 53
1. The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article, provided for pursuant to Article 107 or in regional arrangements directed against renewal of aggressive policy on the part of any such state, until such time as the Organization may, on request of the Governments concerned, be charged with the responsibility for preventing further aggression by such a state.

2. The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.


hmmmm nothing about preventive war here

so bush needed authorization from UN

he knew he needed it

UN 1441 called for the matter to come back to the security council

bush knew he needed a second vote

bush drafted that second vote

bush said NO MATTER WHAT he would call for a second vote

bush did not call for the second vote.

war-illegal

***** Bush Regrets Warmonger Legacy *****

....how about his "Big Prick" legacy.?....does he regret that.?.....

"Brenda Lee - circa 1960.
Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-06-11 07:55 AM"

Here's another appropriate song:

Who's sorry now?
Whose heart is aching for breaking each vow?
Who's sad and blue?
Who's crying too?
Just like I cried over you?
Right to the end
Just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way,
Now you must pay
I'm glad that you're sorry now.
Right to the end
Just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way,
Now you must pay
I'm glad that you're sorry now

- an oldie popularized by Connie Francis

Hey SOMEGUY2 go read Article 2 clause 4 of the UN Charter sometime. Oh and Yes the UN Must Authorize a War when dealing with it's UN Resolutions passed in the UN Security Council. Please do so ever try yet again for You know not what You speak about.

Larry Mohr

Hey SOMEGUY2 go read Article 2 clause 4 of the UN Charter sometime. Oh and Yes the UN Must Authorize a War when dealing with it's UN Resolutions passed in the UN Security Council. Please do so ever try yet again for You know not what You speak about.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

Larry,

You forget ALL the other articles!!! You can't just read ONE article. You must read them together. For example, Article 2, clause 4, says not to take action "inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." That means, read Article 2, clause 4, in conjunction with other articles.

There are arguments for many of them:

Article 51: authorizes self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a UN Member. America was attacked -- NOTE Article 51 does NOT limit self-defense to ONLY the country who attacked... so a country exercising self-defense may take those actions calculated to protect itself.

Article 52: authorizes regional arrangements to take "REGIONAL ACTION" so long as not against purposes and principles of the UN.

Article 53: authorizes regional arrangements to take "ENFORCEMENT ACTION" -- taking "ENFORCEMENT ACTION" requires United Nations Security Council approval.

NOTE the use of "REGIONAL ACTION" in Article 52 and "ENFORCEMENT ACTION" in Article 53. Article 52 does NOT require Security Council authorization.

TruthHurts,

Read my above post to Larry.

Someguy2 needs to get an education sometime before He spews His BULLSHIT. First of all Terrorist attacks are NOT acts of war. Secondly Iraq never attacked the United States. Nor any ALly since the Safwan Treaty in April 03 1991 so Article 51 does NOT apply. Article 52 Does not apply either because there was no regional agreement. The Agreement was with the UN Security COuncil as a whole. Please do try yet again for You know not whaty You speak about.

Larry Mohr

God damn I hate dumb fucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry Mohr