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DIE, OIL COMPANIES, DIE!!!

"comes with an electric motor and works as a hybrid by switching between that motor and the hydrogen-powered fuel cell."

There's only an electric motor. Fuel cells generate electricity. The author of this article is an idiot.

www.fuelcells.org

The Honda FCX will be available in California this Summer.

automobiles.honda.com

Can it haul the boat?

How do they charge the fuel cell? What energy source is used for that? Trace the source back to dirty stinking CO2 spewing coal or oil fired electric plants. On the other hand, maybe this is the "magic alternative energy" that libs dream about and get their tiny erections at night.

Well, um. GM is closing an SUV factory so like we're looking to the future too, you know??

Signed
Management of US Automakers

Go Toyota! Release it now. Wait till Honda releases theirs. It will be better.

GM is 20 years behind.

"Wait till Honda releases theirs."

Automobile Japan April 16, 2008
FCX Clarity Fuel Cell Vehicle Official Car for 2008 Indy Japan

TOKYO, Japan, April 16, 2008 Honda Motor Co., Ltd. announced that the FCX Clarity fuel cell vehicle will serve as the official car of the 2008 Indy Japan event (2008 IRL IndyCar Series 3rd race: Bridgestone Indy Japan 300 Mile) to be held at Twin Ring Motegi in Tochigi, Japan, April 17-19.

world.honda.com

"This is the fault of the labor unions you know."

Danni - Either you're being extremely sarcastic today, or we actually agree on something.

DWT,

fuel cells run on hydrogen. expensive to obtain and difficult to contain. this will not deter big oil in their mission to bankrupt stupid americans. they just have to watch out for Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

You remember the Saudis don't you, they're the one's that planned and executed 9-11 with the Paki secret service.

This is the way our conversion from oil will happen. Free-Market ideas are always the best. Government mandates and taxing the energy industry will only get us in deeper trouble. The libs need to leave these companies alone and progress like this WILL happen.

"The libs need to leave these companies alone and progress like this WILL happen."
Posted by BoortzPal at 2008-06-07 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH!

I agree! And we can start to "Leave Them Alone" by takin' back the 9 Billion in subsidies we tax payers gave them last year!

Wow Redneck you made sense!

We'll make a libertarian out of you yet.

Nutcase...You are a nutcase. It isn't the Saudis and the Venezuelians who are trying to bankrupt us, it's the IRAQ WAR...Our dollar is devalued to pay for the war... The Federal Reserve fiat system prints money with no gold backing and it devalues what exsiting money is out there. Then oil on the global market takes more devalued dollars to pay for it. We need to put our energy to getting energy efficient without needing Saudis and Venezuelians oil...then we won't need to fight these insane wars...but it might be a bit too late for that...

most hydrogen is manufactured from gasoline.

Or, as Homer would say: Doh!

"Hydrogen can be made from renewable resources.

Hydrogen is currently made primarily from natural gas (methane), which is non-renewable. "

www.hydrogennow.org

"Water

Water is the ash you are left with after you burn hydrogen or run it through a fuel cell. It always takes more energy to release hydrogen from water than can ever be recovered by using that hydrogen as a fuel. Water is unique as a hydrogen source in that you end up with what you started with. You use energy to turn the water into hydrogen (and oxygen), and you get the same amount of water and some of that energy back when you run your fuel cell using the produced hydrogen. The big question is where the energy comes from. For the "hydrogen economy" to have a significant, sustainable impact on carbon dioxide emissions, global warming and energy security, the energy used to produce the hydrogen must, to the greatest extent possible, come from renewable sources such as wind, hydro, geothermal, or nuclear.

In a fully implemented renewable hydrogen economy, virtually all hydrogen will be produced from water using renewable energy, and fossil fuels and the carbon dioxide emissions that result from their use will be completely removed from the loop.
"

www.h2fc.com

MMN,

You put words in my mouth. Bush is bankrupting us by borrowing to wage unnecessary war in a wasteful foolish manner. I believe the price of oil is another factor leading to our bankruptcy. At current prices the Saudis can buy GM with 3 days revenue and Bank of America in 30. We are in deep shit, but almost no one in politics talks about it (only Ron Paul).

I agree with you, today the value of the dollar and the destabilization of the Middle East are major factors in skyrocketing oil prices.

When I say Big Oil is bankrupting us, I mean they are using their power over the extraction, refining and distribution of oil to manipulate the market and maximize their returns. This result is masked and shared with Wall Street Traders that use the power of Capital to make themselves another unnecessary middleman which has the effect of swinging the price wildly up and down. They are gamblers who have rigged the game to skim part of the take in a very big market (like another tax). Fear that oil supplies will be disrupted plays a large factor in the current price. But, so far, except for Iraq, they haven't been. Every time Bush threatens Iran the price jumps another nickel,

The concept of a free market, which everyone seems to accept, is an incomplete model of real life. In real life the rule "big fish eat little fish" always trumps the free market. Which is why big oil always has to stay in favor with the largest suppliers, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. In trying to maximize their return on their resources, they gamble with our national destiny. The countries with vast oil reserves, which include Russia and Iraq, have the power to set prices high or low and have used that power to maintain oil as the worlds dominant means for transportation and space heating, critical to all commerce. Living at their mercy is not a very good place to be.

For example, ExxonMobile & GM bought Oshevsky's battery technology and took it off the market for cars (The company has since been resold to Chevron). With those batteries, GM's electric car would be cheaper to operate at todays gas prices than a gasoline powered car. But they don't want you to have it, just like they don't want you to have cheap public transit alternatives. (GM & Rockefeller bought rail systems in LA and other parts of the country and torethem down). They still make and sell batteries, but only small ones for cell phones. They will not sell you the automobile sized battery that the deceased Oshevsky once did. They don't want anyone delivering such a product until they've finished milking all the profits they can out of oil. A major concern for GM and all their Dealers is the loss of maintenance revenue necessar to keep internal combustion engines and transmisions running. They make all their money off parts and service. An electric car is so simple, their service departments would shrink dramatically.


I agree! And we can start to "Leave Them Alone" by takin' back the 9 Billion in subsidies we tax payers gave them last year!


Then we can take back the subsidies that we gave to you and the other farmers who are mooching off of the government for not growing something.

That would be great. Next, you could use your land to produce food! What a novel idea!

"most hydrogen is manufactured from gasoline.

Or, as Homer would say: Doh!

Posted by vernon "

Link me, bro'

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