McClellan also suggests that Libby and Rove secretly colluded to get their stories straight at a time when federal investigators were hot on the Plame case. "There is only one moment during the leak episode that I am reluctant to discuss," he writes. "It was in 2005 during a time when attention was focusing on Rove and Libby, and it sticks vividly in my mind. ... Following [a meeting in Chief of Staff Andy Card's office] ... Scooter Libby was walking to the entryway as he prepared to depart when Karl turned to get his attention. 'You have time to visit?' Karl asked. 'Yeah,' replied Libby.

"I have no idea what they discussed, but it seemed suspicious for these two, whom I had never noticed spending any one-on-one time together, to go behind closed doors and visit privately. ... At least one of them, Rove, it was publicly known at the time, had at best misled me by not sharing relevant information, and credible rumors were spreading that the other, Libby, had done at least as much."

Hmmm. I guess if it doesn't involve Clinton or Obama bashing, it isn't newsworthy anymore. LOL.

Scotty is about two years too late with this little "revelation" of his.

Hey Boaz, how come you are screaming about Scotty telling "secrets" here? Maybe it's because this is as much a secret as Israel having nukes?

All I can say about McClellan's scathing revelations is DOH!.

He must be the last person on the planet who didn't know . . .

BushCo was in the business of propagating the propaganda.

Rove and Libby are liars.

The Iraq War was a set up.

Katrina instantly exposed BushCo's warts.

There was collusion behind closed doors.

Larry Lindsay got fired for telling the truth.

The big revelation about this book would be if he told us something we didn't already know.

From what I've read so far, McClellan's book appears to be a CYA piece. I have to wonder if he's preparing for an investigation into the Bush administration's amoral schemes.

Why does Scott McClellan hate America so much?

I think the big difference here is it is no longer just "liberals" making the accusations that we all knew were true, but another administration insider adding to what we know from people like Richard Clark and Paul O'Neil.

There is a certain amount of CYA involved, not surprisingly, but overall its pretty amazing to have such a former sycophant peeling back the layers a bit.

He doesn't hate America DANNI. He just couldn't make himself believe that George Bush was screwing the country with a rented dick . . . his.

But watch folks the same people who deny, deny, deny will continue to deny, deny, deny. Reality is just an inconvenience for them and doesn't really disturb their thoughts.
I could make a list but I think we pretty much all know who the sheep are.

According to McClellen, Bush doesn't remember whether he ever used cocaine:

"We had some pretty wild parties back in the day, and I just don't remember."

And this surprises anyone because.....? The Feds are gonna have to build an entire new pen just to hold all the 'high government officials' from this mis-administration who are guilty of malfeasance and high crimes and misdemeanors. Let's start with Shrub and work our way down, shall we? Of course, the minute the new Prez is sworn in, Shrub and his co-horts will be on their way to Paraguay where he can vegetate in private on his new ranchero.

"So I think he meant what he said in that conversation about cocaine. It's the first time when I felt I was witnessing Bush convincing himself to believe something that probably was not true, and that, deep down, he knew was not true," McClellan wrote. "And his reason for doing so is fairly obvious -- political convenience."

I've never been much for the psychologists who have claimed to be able to detect certain symptoms of mental problems in Bush but this does sort of give them credibility.

I really don't see the point of this book. He'll never get work again from the republicans, and like mentioned earlier... tell us something we don't know, didn't know at the time.

Unless... hell, he's just fleecing the liberals who will run to buy the book. This administration doesn't care if they get caught in a lie; they're going to do what they're going to do... Its not like anybody has the juevos to stop them.

"I didn't inhale."
Bubba

"I was so fucked up I can't remember."
Dubbya

So, who still supports this administration? Where are the 27 percenters?

Troubling stuff. At least Bush stood up for innocent life; thank you, W, for Alito and Roberts.

Unlike Mr. And Mrs.Obama and Godzillary who want to suck the brains out of babies.

He's just like most americans these days, shallow, self-centered and ignorant. And did I mention fat and willing to sell their grandmother for a dollar?

There we go! They do still exist. The old -bury your head in the sand and only focus on one issue, even if it means the demise of your country- Bush supporter.

Congratulations, you must be so proud.

Bush lied us into a war costing thousands of Iraqi and American lives yet Kirk says he "stood up for life." Amazing.
One of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read here.

"I really don't see the point of this book."

Might it not be an attempt on McClellen's part, a la Douglas Feith, to avoid a mea cupla by pointing the finger at others? I can't imagine what he's planning on doing to make a living after this. He can't speak worth a damn, so the lecture circuit and becoming a partisan talking head on cable t.v. seem like closed avenues. (I seriously doubt he wrote much, if any, of the book.) He came across on t.v. -- admittedly, not a particularly accurate reflector of reality -- as a bland dunce who probably didn't mean to hurt anyone. He was in way over his head. But, then, so is his former boss.

Kirk,

Would you still support this administration if you found out they lied to the American people to start a war that was not neccessary? Oh-Wait.

Would you still support this administration if you found out they outed one of our own CIA agents for political revenge. Oh-Wait.

Would you still support this President if 5 former top level advisors and staff came out and warned that this was the worst president in history. Oh-Wait.

Actually, what would it honestly take for you not to suppor this Administration?

Why does Scott McClellan hate America so much?

Posted by danni at 2008-05-28 08:02 AM | Reply

No Danni, it's just 'talking points'

No, Doc, he's just writing a book that liberals will run to buy. We'll make him a rich man if he wasn't already.

As far as it being to avoid a mea culpa, he was only the press secretary, and the worst of this administration at that. He never actually did anything that would necessitate a mea culpa. Or at least he is low down on the list of people in this administration who owe us one. Even below Ari "people should watch what they say" Fleischer and Tony Snow.

"No, Doc, he's just writing a book that liberals will run to buy."....and that dishonest, cowardly right wing tools will avoid like the plague and continue in their dilusional state.

Reminiscent of John Dean.

Wonder what spokesmodel Dana Perino thinks about all this???
Somehow I despise her more than any previous WH spokesliar.

***** McClellan: Bush Misled Public on War *****

......this is just to set himself up.......

......as a witness for the prosecution, when the war crimes trials start......

......he'll be singing like a canary......

.....but with those cute lips and chubby pale white ass......

.....you can see why he wouldn't want to go to the slammer.....

......I smell immunity......

Hagbard, why do you think anyone would even buy the book? To the extent that there's anything interesting in it, that'll already be out in the teaser promotions and articles. His book promotion tour through t.v. land promises to be a snoozer.

Unlike Mr. And Mrs.Obama and Godzillary who want to suck the brains out of babies.

Posted by kirk

Who sucked the brain out of kirk's head?

"spokesmodel Dana Perino"

Well said, Danni!

That is totally amazing, Kirk. The most repugnant case of head-up-the-a** I've ever read here. Do you mean to tell me that NO pregnant women have died in Iraq during this pointless and endless exercise in murder? That NO babies have died in Iraq? That NO innocent lives have been lost in Iraq - either American or Iraqi? Shrub is just as guilty of killing those unborn babies, newborn babies, babies, children, teenagers, young adults, adults and old people as if he was over there pulling the trigger or dropping the bombs himself. You are the perfect case for the kool-aid drinkers here, Kirk. Blech.

Hagbard, why do you think anyone would even buy the book?

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

For the same reason that it took four years or more for alot of americans to come to realize what this administration was up to and for the same reason that a democrat still has to fight to win the presidency. There is a statistically significant number of people who oppose bush's position, not because the war in Iraq is wrong, but because we're not winning. There is a big difference.

Troubling stuff. At least Bush stood up for innocent life; thank you, W, for Alito and Roberts.

Unlike Mr. And Mrs.Obama and Godzillary who want to suck the brains out of babies.


Posted by kirk at 2008-05-28 08:54 AM |



you must not have gotten the memo but after 8 years of republican control of the WH and 12 years in control of congress abortion is still legal.

must suck to be so used

Wow.
Invective-as-Lying flag for Kirk.

when the war crimes trials start......

Posted by skizziks

FUNNY FLAG!!

Whew, you made my morning with that one. Thanks, skizzle

You know full well that isn't ever going to *&^# happen.

Sure there was a program of propaganda leading up to the war. To be blunt, a major reason it worked was because there were so many Americans who thought a war in 2003 would be an exciting event. Great fun and entertainment.

I've discovered many Bush supporters are as good at forgetting their attitude at that time as Bush apparently is forgetting he ingested certain alkaloids.

But to remind you people---Bush asserted at the time the US would have NO casualties in an Iraq war. That's right, NONE. Pat Robertson was the man he said this to, who in his incredulity promptly revealed it to others.

Then Bush actually invaded Iraq and was promoted from Christ to God the Father. His supporters were strewing flowers in front of the departing soldiers and the number of persons willing to lie on the internet about having military experience shot up dramatically.

McClellan should have quit the instant he saw his boss cheat at the expense of other people's lives in order to get his way. But, he liked what he had, so he kept it.

But Scott does do us a favor by bringing the memories back. It reminds us that Republican leadership for almost a decade was a dog secretly vomiting in the hallway so the rest of us could step in it.

Vote Democratic. Get it done.

We may not ever see the criminals brought to justice but by the same token they will probably never be able to travel freely around the world. Pinochet found out the hard way that other nations are not willing to allow crimes against humanity. I hope Rove tries traveling to Paris or Berlin, he may be staying longer than he anticipated.

**** You know full well that isn't ever going to *&^# happen.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine *****

......justice ?......in America ?.....

.........you're probably right.....

When you have a monkey drive a race car, what do you expect other than a huge wreck? When we vote these inept people into leadership positions this is what happens. We are all now suffering because of these criminals..

but by the same token they will probably never be able to travel freely around the world.
Posted by danni

Danni, you know these are not the kind of people who think travelling outside the US is important. Wasn't it at the time of the 2000 campaign before the shrub ever had a reason to travel outside the US?

And even if they did, you know even a democratic administration would have a fit if any of these men and women ever got arrested in a foreign country for war crimes. that country would curse the day they ever decided it was a good idea to do so.

"When you have a monkey drive a race car, what do you expect other than a huge wreck?"

When I saw this on the "Comments" page I thought someone might've come up with a new event for the Olympics or, at the very least, the NASCAR circuit.

"that country would curse the day they ever decided it was a good idea to do so."

Baloney. Once the real truth is known most Americans will be happy to see these criminals rot in a foreign jail. Death penalty would be more appropriate though, firing squad.

"That country would curse the day they ever decided it was a good idea to do so....."

No one would regret one or more of these SOB's getting arrested in some place like Italy. Your heroes are loved no longer by anyone save you.

All Pinohet had going for him was power. When his power was gone even his supporters were free to dislike him.

I hear whistling past the graveyard here. I think it's you.

Hay, hay LBJ, how many boys have you killed today?

Gets kinda old doesn't it?

"When you have a monkey driving a race car..."

Yes---And at the time, remember? All the Bushites crooning: "Nice monkey...Pretty monkey?"

HAGBARD is right. Unfortunately, there will be no justice for America.

We'll just have to settle for the court of public opinion.

Baloney. Once the real truth is known most Americans will be happy to see these criminals rot in a foreign jail....

Posted by danni

What "Real Truth" are you talking about, Danni, that isn't already known?

The country has already handed down its verdict on this administration... i.e. not bad enough to warrant impeachment.

Is McCain still raising money with Bush out in AZ?

This could be awkward.

Your heroes are loved no longer by anyone save you.
Posted by Zed

Don't embarass yourself by confusing a statement about what I believe will happen with a statement about what I believe should happen.

When should a government employee (or appointee like Scott McClellan) resign or confront the boss when it becomes apparent that there are major problems?

For example, when an administration is as dysfunctional as the Bush-Cheney administration has been, with: a delusional, lazy and minimally-qualified President; a secretive, manipulative, megalomaniacal and all-powerful Vice President; a National Security Council team comprised of egotistical, blame-shifting, apple polishers like Condi Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and an empowered, jingoistic, oil-hungry VP who has salted the lower levels of the national security structure with family members and hand-picked mignons throughout the NSC and Departments of Defense and State; and propagandists and dirty tricksters like Karl Rove on the federal payroll, shouldn't McClellan have been sounding alarm bells as soon as depth of the administration's dysfunction became apparent?

Finally, when you are part of something that is not working properly and operating in a way that is not in the best interest of the American people, don't you have a "moral obligation" to resign and decide not to be part of the dysfunctional team?

Two quotes from the book:

"Over the summer of 2002, top Bush aides had outlined a strategy for carefully orchestrating the coming campaign to aggressively sell the war... in the permanent campaign era, it was all about manipulating sources of public opinion to the President's advantage."

"The Administration chose a different path - not employing out-and-out deception, but shading the truth. President Bush managed the crisis in a way that almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option."

Always new "last resort" was utter bullshit.

Coincidentally, Fox News Radio skipped the story, focusing on some Democratic Congressional candidate in a You-Tube video, who said the Democrats over-sold their intentions against the Iraq War in 2006. Talk about missing the biggest news story of the day!

new=knew*

TownNCountry, good catch on Fox, great summation of the Bush Admin in the prior post.

.... shouldn't McClellan have been sounding alarm bells as soon as depth of the administration's dysfunction became apparent?

Posted by townncountry

T&C,
It was clear as day well before he even accepted the position. It didn't bother him when the job was offered to him, I don't expect that it would bother him later. so I'm not sure why you would expect him to say anything at the time.

"What "Real Truth" are you talking about, Danni, that isn't already known?"

Well you are right, most of the truth is out there but most of the people are unaware of it or in denial like many on the right here. I would think that with a new administration that may change with an overwhelming flow of proof of what has occurred.
The economy tanking will help convert many a rightie and allow them to finally look at truths they would have rejected previously.

Looks like the righties are still waiting for the Hannity and Pill Popping Limbaugh talking points before they address this thread.

hagbard, you are in denial. this story is about Herr bush, not the ex press secretary. But the small crowd of loyal fools can not say that the king has no clothes on.

Over the summer of 2002

I can still remember Rove telling the media summer wasn't a good time to sell the war, and they would start the push in the fall.

And still, so many idiots bought it....

The only 'talking point' I've heard from 'the right' so far is, 'Scotty wasn't truthful in the first place, so why do people think he's truthful in his book?' or words to that effect. Gotta attack the messenger, like every other person that's left this Admin and written about it.

with an overwhelming flow of proof of what has occurred.
Posted by danni

I'd love to believe that day will come, but there isn't going to be any investigations worth squat coming from an Obama presidency... and sure as hell not from a Clinton or McCain. The argument will be the Pelosi/Reed "we have to move forward" load of crap.

hagbard, you are in denial. this story is about Herr bush, not the ex press secretary. But the small crowd of loyal fools can not say that the king has no clothes on.

Posted by Georgeisadrunk

I don't get it. what am I in denial about?

Georgeisadrunk,
... or perhaps I should refer you to my 10:02 post?

"The argument will be the Pelosi/Reed "we have to move forward" load of crap."

Regretfully I think you could be right.

"Troubling stuff. At least Bush stood up for innocent life; thank you, W, for Alito and Roberts.

Unlike Mr. And Mrs.Obama and Godzillary who want to suck the brains out of babies."

Really, like he stood up for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's he is responsible for killing, like he has stood up for the millions in Darfur, like he stood up for our own Americans for cutting vets benefits, like he stood up for our own Americans when Katrina struck, like he has stood up for the innocent consumer against his oil baron buddies......

dude take your pro-life ignorance and shove it...your a tool, a farce and seed who tries to redirect topic away from fact that the president lied so he could murder people. Now that is pro-life.....seems like the righties already sucked your brain out.


LM

you need to reposition your head. the sun is shining and truth is on the air

The number of whistleblowers growing. And yet justice will remain unserved. They are the power, and we can do nothing.

Official response from the WH:

"Scott is disgruntled."

(really)

"...the sun is shining and truth is on the air."

Posted by Georgeisadrunk

Not that I don't hope you're right, jerk, but that's what we were all saying after the '06 election. But you go ahead with your blind, desperate optimism.

"Regretfully I think you could be right."

Posted by danni

I share your regret.

Edwards is gonna be one busy AG.

McClellan's actions are easy to understand.....His original greed for power and money lead him to take the position and to remain quiet/complicit while being a propoganda mouthpiece. Once he was out of the knee-deep B.S. that everyone Bush and co. surround themselves with, his conscious got the better of him. He saw how he lied, manipulated and F*&^'ed things up on a global scale and he is now feeling a bit of regret and remorse. I also suppose his pockets are a little leaner so he is now ready to fatten them again by coming forward. Just wish he would donate all proceeds to feeding homeless, caring for sick children, buying books for schhols etc......but that would be wishful thinking.

LM

McClellan hates God, he hates Bush, he hates America. He's just another Communist Liberal traitor.

There is a statistically significant number of people who oppose bush's position, not because the war in Iraq is wrong, but because we're not winning.

I would guess, it is the majority of the US people.

Official response from the WH:

"Scott is disgruntled."

(really)

Posted by YAV

I love how using the term disgruntled on the one hand it only implies that the person is a liar. On the other hand, it implies that the person is telling the truth but only saying so because of sour grapes. It's a great CYA characterization that would make any PR firm proud.

One of the "Manson Family" writitng a tell-all about Charlie. I guess that X on Scott's forehead fell out of fashion.

yav -- Thanks.

"McClellan hates God, he hates Bush, he hates America. He's just another Communist Liberal traitor."

Funny flag, if this were a dem, cries for impeachment and trial would be on every newscast........O'liely's head would have turned glowing red before it exploded, Limbaugh would've sharted on himself(oh wait he already does that), Hannity would have brought the whole NRA on show to act as firing squad, Cunthair would have her anorexic azz everywhere screaming for death penalty........

P.S. is it grammatically correct to double apostrophe something??

LM

wonder if scott is related to "sick to death of" dick morris?

wonder if scott is related to "sick to death of" dick morris?

"Official response from the WH:

'Scott is disgruntled.'"

As is the whole damn country, Ms. Perino. If you'll just put Bush, Cheney, and Rove in the slammer, everyone will be gruntled again.

What the hell does a President have to do to get impeached these days?

it ain't like the last century when you got ejected as a result of being blown on.

"it ain't like the last century when you got ejected as a result of being blown on."

WOW, you make it sound like a blow job is not worse than killing innocent people, lying while President (don't give a shit if under oath or not)!!

The sad truth is it's not worth it to impeach the dipshit now, it would only provide fodder for righties and might help them garner 6 or 7 more votes during general elections.

LM

"The sad truth is it's not worth it to impeach the dipshit now"
Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

Using your logic, I have to ask at what point would it have been worth it? Are you arguing that the legislative branch should ignore their constitutional obligations based on concerns of political benefit?

"The sad truth is it's not worth it to impeach the dipshit now"

Of course it is still worth it to impeach him. Future presidents need to know that Congress can change party majority fairly quickly so they are not immune from prosecution. What other limit to presidential power do we have???

Scott McClellan's payback
Lee Cary
Scott McClellan's tell-all book is making big waves. In the last election for Texas governor, Republican Texas Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn (using the slogan "One Tough Grandma" based on her cost-saving reputation as Comptroller) ran as an independent Republican (al la Liberman) against incumbent Gov. Rick Perry.


Perry was Bush's Lt. Gov. and became Gov. when Bush moved to D.C. Strayhorn started her campaign with a flurry, faded fast, and got trounced in the election, receiving vitually no support from the GOP. McClellan is Strayhorn's son. His book is payback from the family.

sounds like good motive to me!!!

Expect lots of pardons at the end of term.
Not much different than past presidents.

This is really a big case of "No Shit, Sherlock."
Idiots and fools supported and bolstered this war.
The blood is on their hands.
Making the so called 'patriots' -- the traitors.
As anyone with the rumor of a brain knew from the get go if they
simply wiped the sharts Bush and co. splooged into the national eye.
Hey, elect a failed human being, you will get failure -- morally, functionally, in every wayfully. Yet another case of the American people basing values on fear and the self-imposed limits of their mindful childishness. But don't touch that dial, because there's more! That's right, silly people, you too can elect another Republican and enjoy the rapacious consequences of the photosonic death throes a dying empire! But first... let's make everyone scared of the black guy...

Another book peddler--a bit of a whore--Yes?

And if things were so bad and he disagreed so much--why did he stay so long?

And did he have a secret decoder recorder in with the conversations between Rove and Libby?

There are always two sides to every story. And this one is geared to sell books.

Everyone knows that Dick Armitage leaked Plame's name and so did Fitzgerald when he first took the case. What ever happened to Dick?

Books wouldn't sell if McClellan told the truth that he didn't know crap about anything--and couldn't talk to the press worth a damn either.

Murphy

"Expect lots of pardons at the end of term.
Not much different than past presidents."

I do expect them but I have been wondering, can the president pardon crimes that have not been charged??? Is there such a thing as a "blanket pardon" for all possible crimes committed?? Or do pardons have to be for specific crimes??

In the words the great Dropkick Murphys (sort of) --

"Murphy, murphy, darling dear..."

... I feel so very sorry for the level of your delusion, denial, and all around animosity towards the truth... McClellan isn't blameless.
McClellan may be a whore. Which doesn't obscure the truth --
we were willingly lied to. And those that willingly supported that lie are beneath contempt.

But, yeah, the Dropkicks do indeed kick blarney ass.

Is there such a thing as a "blanket pardon" for all possible crimes committed??

Like draft dodgers???

"Everyone knows that Dick Armitage leaked Plame's name and so did Fitzgerald when he first took the case."

Does it matter to you the law doesn't stop there? Anyone who leaks it breaks the law, not just the first.

Finally! McClellan decides to tell the Truth... hope he feels better now. The lesson here is that the Libs do need to go for the Throat more and stop pussy footing around.

The meek shall inherit the Earth yet...

can the president pardon crimes that have not been charged???

Bush1 did it to cover his ass in the Iran arms smuggling reason.

NOW you decide to believe the word of a right-wing conservative??? I just love how you libs pick and choose what you believe depending on how it appears to help your lame cause. Ha!

"Using your logic, I have to ask at what point would it have been worth it? Are you arguing that the legislative branch should ignore their constitutional obligations based on concerns of political benefit?"

It would have been worth it when there was a real opportunity after dems took control of congress to act. Now it would only look like political posturing. They shouldn't ignore their constitutional obligations ever, but they do have to prioritize them. What sense is there in going to impeachment when it will not be finished before election takes place? If you want to retro-actively impeach(which I don't even know if it's plausible/possible) then I am all for it. I am more concerned with bringing our troops home, defending our soil here in America, protecting the environment, educating the kids of our nation, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, balancing our budget, eleminating national deficit and shoring up our economy. All of which I believe or congressional obligations that are far more important right now.

LM

"Of course it is still worth it to impeach him. Future presidents need to know that Congress can change party majority fairly quickly so they are not immune from prosecution. What other limit to presidential power do we have???"

If there truly is a majority in congress to sway the power that is all that is needed. Congress can overide presidents with 2/3 majority vote if I remember correctly, that seems to take away the presidents power.


LM

What other limit to presidential power do we have???"
posted by danni

Power of the Purse?
Oh yeah, that's a non-starter.

"NOW you decide to believe the word of a right-wing conservative??? I just love how you libs pick and choose what you believe depending on how it appears to help your lame cause. Ha!"


And NOW you don't.....so what's your point.

I would make the case that most sane/logical people believe that if a person is being forced or subjegated to act and talk a certain way then eliminating the fear of reprisal allows them to speak freely.

Case in point: Why do cops seperate criminals to get them to speak, why are whistleblowers given immunity to speak, why do people in the business come forward only after they have left the company....
more extreme cases, most recently the woman who's f*(*'ed up father imprisoned her and fathered 7 children with her wouldn't speak until she was guaranteed not to have to leave or be with him again.

Lay off the right wing kool aid ol blue eyes...

LM

NOW you decide to believe the word of a right-wing conservative??? I just love how you libs pick and choose what you believe depending on how it appears to help your lame cause. Ha!

RONNIBLUEEYES

The converse argument can be used against you RUNNIBROWNASS. Now that the mouth piece of the administration has finally decided to tell the truth you suddenly can't believe a word he says. The problem with conservatives is that they form an unchangeable opinion based on bullcrap and refuse to change it no matter how many inconvenient facts get in their way.

The world is flat! The world is flat! Na na na na na na!

LIAR IN CHIEF

Unless... hell, he's just fleecing the liberals who will run to buy the book. This administration doesn't care if they get caught in a lie; they're going to do what they're going to do... Its not like anybody has the juevos to stop them.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-28 08:47 AM

It's not mine to give out, but this has to be nominated for the "Moment of Clarity" award...

I don't think anyone is surprised by the allegations in this book. What remains is the end game. Does Bush walk away from this debacle unscathed or do we hold him accountable?

The facts about this administration have been in plain sight for some time.

This book is full of lies and innuendo from a disgruntled ex employee.

He didn't even write the majority of the book.

Of course that doesn't matter to liberals because they only want to believe anything as long as it fits their preconceived ideas.


Bee Swell

It's not mine to give out, but this has to be nominated for the "Moment of Clarity" award...

Posted by leftcoastlawyer

Bastard. Thanks for the back-handed compliment. But alcohol isn't my poison.

I'm on your side at least 80% of the time.

Ah. I see the talking points have arrived.

just read this and remember two things.
his mom has always been on the outs with the gop here in my great state
and.

mccellon did not resign of his own will............and yeah I can already read the comments and attacks after saying that but you calling me names doesnt change the two facts I just gave you.

"unchangeable opinion based on bullcrap"
Now that was accurate, the simplictic minds of righties can only be led by simple buzz word phrases, like "lefties are traitors", "blame America first","them libs", what dipshits!

BLT,
Tell me...could anyone say something negative about Bushco that you would believe?

"Of course that doesn't matter to liberals because they only want to believe anything as long as it fits their preconceived ideas."

for this to be true you need to change the word "liberals" to "righties" as they are the only ones who fit the meaning of the phrase!

Hahahaha! SanAntonioRogue - you are SO right!!

Another book peddler--a bit of a whore--Yes?

And if things were so bad and he disagreed so much--why did he stay so long?

And did he have a secret decoder recorder in with the conversations between Rove and Libby?

There are always two sides to every story. And this one is geared to sell books.

Everyone knows that Dick Armitage leaked Plame's name and so did Fitzgerald when he first took the case. What ever happened to Dick?

Books wouldn't sell if McClellan told the truth that he didn't know crap about anything--and couldn't talk to the press worth a damn either.

Those are the Hannity talking points, let's hear the others...

"It would have been worth it when there was a real opportunity after dems took control of congress to act."

The Dems never had the power, any attempt at impeachment would have failed and everyone knew it.

"This book is full of lies and innuendo from a disgruntled ex employee."

Predictable agreement with talking point from Perino. Nice that you even managed to use her exact word.

The Dems never had the power, any attempt at impeachment would have failed and everyone knew it.
Posted by danni

See, this is exactly why they should have gone for impeachment. Instead the Democrats fooled themselves into believing that if they stopped talking about impeachment then they would be able to get other things done with bush and the republicans on the other side of the aisle. We all see how well that worked.

If nothing was going to be accomplished anyway, I think impeachment proceedings would have made it abundantly clear how deep the rabbit hole actually went, if nothing else.

"I am not a crook!"- Karl Rove

And when the Dems couldn't even get all their own members to vote for impeachment they would have looked ridiculous.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

Bushites Bushites have You any shame
You're all responsible You're all to blame.
You supported Dubya while he played his game
Now America has lost it's good name
Will You be voting for more of the same
Or will You rekindle that precious flame
Making America Stronger our claim to fame.

Larry Mohr

And when the Dems couldn't even get all their own members to vote for impeachment they would have looked ridiculous.

Posted by danni

You don't think they look ridiculous now, Danni? Why do you think it is that the legislative branch has lower approval rating than Bush?

I guess right is right and politics is politics, and never the twain shall meet.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

"Why do you think it is that the legislative branch has lower approval rating than Bush?"

Misinformation campaign conducted by major media. Listen to Lou Dobbs, CNN, Fox, etc. they all talk about how awful Congress is without really dealing with the truth of what is going on there. Plus you have to consider that both Houses were controlled by REpublicans for six years then we get a majority in one house and a pretend majority in the other and folks expect miracles. I wonder what percentage of the population understands the REpublican's ability to block any and all legislation in the Senate?

"The Dems never had the power, any attempt at impeachment would have failed and everyone knew it.
Posted by danni

See, this is exactly why they should have gone for impeachment. Instead the Democrats fooled themselves into believing that if they stopped talking about impeachment then they would be able to get other things done with bush and the republicans on the other side of the aisle. We all see how well that worked."

Danni,

I agree, they never would have gotten the votes, but it would have shown backbone and courage on their behalf. Instead it's politics as usual. Imagine the position dems would be in if they had tried to impeach and then books like this come out, think of Hillary and Obama's votes on the war......sometimes it's the attempt and not the result that brings about the most change......

LM

sometimes it's the attempt and not the result that brings about the most change......

Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

Thats what I was saying.

BLT,
Tell me...could anyone say something negative about Bushco that you would believe?

Posted by evilpolock at 2008


ohplease..........I guess you are newer to the retort than I thought. I am on record as saying many times that bush sucks on immigration and he has not vetoed near enough bills that cost us too muchmoney and he is way too freindly with asswipes like ted.(((((mary jo)))))) kennedy.......
so there goes your comment right there.

LIBERAL MONGREL AND HAGBARD I was pissed off at Pelosi too. I am not defending her here, just explaining why the Congress has such low opinion numbers. She should have gone after Bush/Cheney with every tool at her disposal even though any attempt would have been doomed to failure.

But now, in light of McClellan's book BLT, do you take door number one (Bush Lied People Died) or door #2 (Perino talking point)?

Bushites Bushites have You any shame
You're all responsible You're all to blame.
You supported Dubya while he played his game
Now America has lost it's good name
Will You be voting for more of the same
Or will You rekindle that precious flame
Making America Stronger our claim to fame.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at


oh isnt this sweet. larry made a little rhyme.
you get a gold star this morning and you ARE SAFE. you wont be thrown off the island..........YET!!!!!!!!!!!
!

danni.
just like anything from the left or the dnc or the clintons and now the great messiah obama...and anything attacking bush.
I take most everything antibush with a grain of salt and an immediate skepticism. sorry if that offends you in any way but it comes from years of reading the liberal press and this site.

******When you have a monkey drive a race car, what do you expect ......
Posted by moremusicnow ******

........NASCAR ??..........

........LEFT......you stupid chimp.....I said turn LEEFFTT !!!......

Posted by danni at 2008-05-28 02:37 PM

I got you, Danni.

"I take most everything antibush with a grain of salt and an immediate skepticism."

Oh sort of the way I took comments from the Bush WH spokesmen, only thing is now one of them tells me I was right. When you get the memo from an Obama spokesman that the invasion was really a good idea let me know, ok???

and that should be just after he tells us all about his famous uncle who was RIGHT THERE when the auschwitz ovens were found? OOPS>.........another lie from a dem?????????

BLT,
Sorry brother, but I haven't seen any of the posts where you've questioned Bush or taken him to task. Of course, since I'm only here an hour or so a day...

Not a lie, BLT. Wrong camp. Long campaign. Your party is morally bankrupt, so keep grasping at straws, and don't look down, it's a long drop into irrelevancy.

"auschwitz ovens were found"
it was actually Buchenwald not Auschwitz, so what's your problem, forgot your talking points?

story true, mistake in name, this was corrected, so what is your point?.

Bush Lover second-guesses Bush? About not being rigid enough on immigration? This is like Niceville not being nice. herm

MSNBC reporter -- after saying that while WH staff won't go on the record, on background they're using terms like "Benedict" and "traitor," admitting to being "upset" (although he noted that that wasn't exactly the language used but he couldn't repeat it on the air) -- just said that Bush hasn't read the book.

Well, of course not, silly. He's probably still working on that Camus and those Shakespeares.

"and that should be just after he tells us all about his famous uncle who was RIGHT THERE when the auschwitz ovens were found? OOPS>.........another lie from a dem?????????"

No difference is he owned up to his mistake and THERE are actually records of what his uncle did.....unlike UR disService in the military W......still waiting for you to prove you ever served......and no nowere not referring to the cocaine and beer you regularly handed out to make friendz.....

LM

"story true, mistake in name, this was corrected, so what is your point?."

ONNA BLT's job is just to repeat talking points over and over and over. Watch, tomorrow he'll still be posting that same one again no matter how many times you tell him the truth. Truth doesn't matter, repitition of talking points matters.

There are probably records of Bush's grandpa helping to get those ovens financed, but they are probably still classified.

What kind've people falls for obvious lies, over and over? That wallow proudly in pigheaded arrogance? That look at a failed human being and see a leader? That celebrate the concept of freedom while working to deny those freedoms to those who don't fit their narrow conception of humanity. Who don't know the actual meaning of 'appeasement'. Who look at the world and see only fear and defense. Who think a man's name dictates the man. Who never seem to have understood the great American thinkers proclamation of Speak softly and carry a big stick. Who tried relentlessly to pigeonhole true Americans, those that hold a morally corrupt government in contempt, as Unpatriotic. These are the worst kind of people. The sad state of the nation, at home and abroad, is on them. But it is up to the rest of us -- the bright, the future, the real patriots -- to clean it up.
Just wanted to say...

New right wing talking point:
McClellan is obviously lying in his book because it is a well known fact that he never told the truth when he was at the White House.

"What the hell does a President have to do to get impeached these days?"

Prolly something that involves tearing the Constitution to shreds; something on a par with waging a war of choice and using lies to create a faux-casus belli.

Y'know, something like lying about getting a blowjob.

"New right wing talking point"

Actually, Danni, judging by what I'm hearing on the tube as it provides background sqwak while I take breaks from onerous tasks to check things out here, the BIG talking point is to suggest that somehow, somewhere along the line that nice young Scotty must've gone bonkers, lost his mind, flipped his lid, suffered psychological meltdown. At least that was the red herring that Ari "Is It Me Or Did A Slug Leave That Greasy Trail Wherever I Go" Fleischer dragged across the trail within the last hour or so.

Sorry, y'all...
Thought some morning trolling would bring the bat-shiat crazy socialists out...worked better than I thought.

Hate on!

Oh, btw, I think Cheney's going to be McCain's VP pick and they're going to win...then invade Iran.

Seriously.

You've got it backwards, Kirk. Iran is scheduled for invasion October 1st.

Cheney's going to be McCain's VP pick and they're going to win...then invade Iran.

Seriously.

~KIRK

Gospel according to St. Kirk

Cheney's going to be McCain's VP pick and they're going to win...then invade Iran.

Seriously.

~KIRK

And then they'll both have heart attacks on the same day, and the Republicans will have made Pelosi the president.

Way to go retards!!

hello liberal fucks.....IM back and have I got some info for you.

but first

still waiting for you to prove you ever served......and no nowhere not referring to the cocaine and beer you regularly handed out to make friends.....

LM

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well you see its like this. I was deferred because of college. thats a place that people a whole lot smarter than you get together and learn things. and then my lottery number was high enough to remain and as I have said on many occasions. my family has a history of serving and if called I would have proudly served and if you dont believe that, its your problem not mine.
and then of course there is the abortion part of your statement. as in, so lets me and you talk about our views on abortion....OOPS wait a minute. if you dont have a vagina, you have no right to an opinion on abortion...........and that makes as much sense as you trying to shut me up about military matters and not served.........

and if you were talking about bush's service then forget the previous stuff and I will save it for later..........LOL

Cheney's going to be McCain's VP pick and they're going to win...then invade Iran.

Seriously.

~KIRK

And then they'll both have heart attacks on the same day, and the Republicans will have made Pelosi the president.

Way to go retards!!

~ WHATSLEFT

FF

and here are some FACTS that make for interesting comments.
these were just broadcast on oreilly and if you would like to see his documentation on their factualness, he will be repeated at 11 EST


last year on bill mahr...we read quotes FROM mccellan on SUPPORTING THE WAR.

we HEARD comments from ari fleischer who talked to scotty a couple of months ago and scotty told him..ACCORDING TO FLIESCHER HIMSELF.....that the book would be good for bush and then scotty admitted that HIS EDITORS TOOK THE BOOK and ari says that he believes the editor added several things..

oreilly showed where scotty agreed to come on the show when the book was published andnow SM will only go on LEFT WING KOOKS SHOWS such as anything on PMSnbc or the noted asswipe idiot named olberman..............

and so oreilly asked...........what did the money do to scotty that he might not otherwise have done.

so you see...if goes much deeper than some of the crackpot bullshit that many of you here want to just dismiss our whole points about this.

but I am sure you will see the name really there and only be able to come up with some attack on him.

and lastly remember......it wasnt that long ago that his old man wrote a book telling us that LBJ shot JFK.......hmmmmmmmmmmm

and one more thing..............both ari and snow both agreed that the press sect job wasnt near as important and "in the know" as scotty tried to come across.
but of course just because THEY WERE THERE doesnt mean that any of YOU GUYS dont know more about it............hee hee

McClellan just turned into a liberal.

~A collaborative posted by all the right-wing, reality-blind, Bush-loving, America-hating, neocon douchebags on DR

Ben Franklin

(1)
"Lied to start an unnecessary war"
300,000 to 1 million innocent civilians murdered by Saddam's regime, and tens/hundreds of thousands of raped women may disagree with whether the war was "necessary."

Lying is wrong. I'm not sure there Bush et al meet a legal definition of "lying.". Do you?

(2)
Plame was hardly a covert operative "outed.". She and her husband posed for a photo shoot in The New Yorker! No crime was committed legally as I understand it.

Libby lied, but it wasn't over a "criminal matter.


(3)
I think the case can be made for Bush being a bad president, but there are some glimmers of pure brilliance too!

Doubt you'll agree...

****** and that should be just after he tells us all about his famous uncle who was RIGHT THERE when the auschwitz ovens were found? OOPS>.........another lie from a dem?????????
Posted by bushlovertwo *****

......did he take us to war based on this lie.??...

So WHAT could've been done differently to have stopped and/or prevented all of Bush's actions?

(1). Gore could have actually won in 2000--starting with winning his own state (he didn't win). If you can't do that, you can't win the presidency.

(2). Someone could've got better intelligence. The who's who list of those thinking Saddam was dangerous and/or had WMD's was long and had plenty from both sides of the aisle on it (clinton, kerry..)

(3). The rest of the world and/or the UN could've had the balls to have done SOMETHING.

(4). Democratic senators and representatives could have voted NO on attacking Iraq! That's the biggest one. If the liberal thesis is right, that idiot Bush is somehow a masterful manipulator and liar who played us all like a fiddle, THERE has to have been a handful of Dems with an ounce of discernment who could see that coming and then vote against it. BUT THEY DIDN'T!

Too busy saving their own asses and seeking reelection (or they were true "kool-aid" drinkers--doubtful).

(5)
Dems could vote against the war now (lots of ways to do that). But we know how unlikely that is now, don't we?



What are we left with?
Bush-haters can blog and bitch but it won't make a lick of difference.

The bullshit is really flowing this morning.

"well you see its like this. I was deferred because of college. thats a place that people a whole lot smarter than you get together and learn things."

Save this post of BLT so that when he tries to attack Barrack Obama for lack of military service you will have it ready.

Last night I enjoyed watching as pundit after pundit reacted to Scottie's revelations which weren't really secrets. I look forward today to hearing the creative talking points that the righties shall trot out only to be laughed at and ridiculed. I think this election season is going to be more fun than I expected as McBush tries his best to put a new spin on an old unnecessary war.
This book will hurt McBush, how badly we don't know yet but hell there are more months ahead for the slow learners to figure out that Bush never knew what he was doing and McBush is just more of the same.

"So WHAT could we have done differently.....?"

To have prevented the Iraq War, KIRK? Why, gee, let's see---Bush could have given the WMD inspectors in 2003 just a wee bit more time to see what if anything was in that country worth invading for.

That one just sort of slipped your mind. Perhaps understandibly, as Bush has LIED about Saddam being the one to have chased them out for FIVE years now.

"Bush haters can blog and bitch...."

Yes, KIRK---But you have to admit it's not as if we have no inspiration.

"Posted by kirk at 2008-05-29 07:55 AM"

This post is GRRRRRRRRRREAT!
Sounds like it was written by The Chimp himself:
"It's your fault because you didn't stop me."

WHAT ARE YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES GOING TO DO WHEN BUSH IS GONE?

****** I was deferred because of college. thats a place that people a whole lot smarter than you get together and learn things.....
Posted by bushlovertwo *****

........did you get your money back .?.......

WHAT ARE YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES GOING TO DO WHEN BUSH IS GONE?

Throw a huge fucking party.

**** WHAT ARE YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES GOING TO DO WHEN BUSH IS GONE?
Posted by ozzieoswald ****

........we'll turn our attention to Mugabe......

WHAT ARE YOU LIBERAL ASSHOLES GOING TO DO WHEN BUSH IS GONE?

~OZZIEOSWALD


Perhaps get on a road to recovery.

THANKS FOR ASKIN!

We'll celebrate Ozzie.

The most amazing thing about the righties is that even though they now know Bush lied us into a stupid, unnecessary war, which is hugely expensive, has cost thousands their lives, has emboldened Iran, etc. the righties are still not angry with the neocons. Just what would it take to make some of you righties angry???? I think they must have low self-esteem and actually figure they deserve to be lied to.

.....we are organized to work on exposing nation-destroying tyrants in a descending order.......

****** I was deferred because of college. thats a place that people a whole lot smarter than you get together and learn things.....
Posted by bushlovertwo *****

........did you get your money back .?.......

POSTED BY SKIZZIKS

Sam Houston Institute of Technology offers no refunds..

Scott McClelland is on the Today Show right now.

He said it wasn't a lie, it was "manipulating evidence to run-up to war" or something like that. It's still going.

I really wasn't joking. There WILL be a "W is gone" party in January at my house.

"Just what would it take to make some of you righties angry????"

Oh, Danni, Danni, Danni, whuzaamattayou?

Lying the nation into war, thousands upon thousands of dead, trillions of dollars flushed down the drain, a badly weakened America . . . no big deal.

I'll bet with this crowd Bush could even get away with an Oval Office blowjob.

Fair point Zed. How MUCH more time would the weapons inspectors have needed? EVERYONE thought he had WMDs--the Clintons, the UN. I thought your point fit under the category I listed about the rest of the world/UN not doing ANYTHING.

Alexandrite,

Is that a "huge fucking party" where the f-word is an adjective or a verb?

I was listneing to one of Bush's former buttboys on MSNBC just now and he had the party line down pat: "Surprised . . . puzzled . . . not the Scott I knew . . . blah . . . blah . . . blah."

The best part was when this goof asked, "Why didn't he just resign?"

He did!

I listed about the rest of the world/UN not doing ANYTHING.
~Kirk

The UN was in Iraq with teams looking for WMD's until the end very near the end.

They were reporting not finding anything, which as it turned out was the Truth.

However finding nothing didn't fit Bush's predetermined Agenda.

Doc, sure blame righties for willful ignorance but then continue on in your own willful ignorance. It wasn't about the bj, it was about lying.

I'll bet with this crowd Bush could even get away with an Oval Office blowjob.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Of course he would. The one thing we learned from all that was never lie under oath about getting blown. Especially when you've made a mess all over someone's dress.

"EVERYONE thought he had WMDs--the Clintons, the UN."

Bull shit. I didn't, Barrack Obama didn't, Dennis Kucinich didn't, millions of Americans didn't, anyone with a brain didn't.
Incidentally the fact that the Clintons apparently were too lazy to find out the truth is why Obama will be the next president instead of Hillary Clinton, and rightly so.

"I'll bet with this crowd Bush could even get away with an Oval Office blowjob."

Two words. Jeff Gannon.
nuf said.

"It wasn't about the bj, it was about lying."

Oh, like Bush's War of Choice?

Thanks for clearing that up.

So you think Bush should be impeached?

2). Someone could've got better intelligence. The who's who list of those thinking Saddam was dangerous and/or had WMD's was long and had plenty from both sides of the aisle on it (clinton, kerry..)


TH: NO EVIDENCE OF WMD, do i need to once again post the exact quote. Saddam Hussein being dangerous is NOT justification to start a war. From the learned British Matthew Rycoff:

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

REad that again dummy. desire for regime change is not a legal base for military action. Self defense. (IRAQ POSED NO THREAT TO THE US, deal with it AND BUSH KNEW IT), humanitarian intervention, NOPE, UNSC authorisation-NONE WAS PROVIDED. Iraq war was a war of agression and is now an illegal occupation.

(3). The rest of the world and/or the UN could've had the balls to have done SOMETHING.

TH: They were, Iraq was contained.

(4). Democratic senators and representatives could have voted NO on attacking Iraq! That's the biggest one. If the liberal thesis is right, that idiot Bush is somehow a masterful manipulator and liar who played us all like a fiddle, THERE has to have been a handful of Dems with an ounce of discernment who could see that coming and then vote against it. BUT THEY DIDN'T!

TH: correct, but they didnt have the votes, Republican controlled congress,remember?

snip

(5)
Dems could vote against the war now (lots of ways to do that). But we know how unlikely that is now, don't we?

TH: not when obama is POTUS.

So you think Bush should be impeached?

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Please doc, don't go down that road.

Its painful to hear democrats explain why we shouldn't impeach/ shouldn't have impeached.

George Bush should be impeached for the crime of waging a war of agression.

George Bush should be impeached for the crime of waging a war of agression.

Posted by truthhurts

Let me know when the american people have elected a congress who'll put what is right ahead of their own careers and be willing to do that.

I'll be waiting by the door, holding it open for you, anxious for you to return to reality.

Well that doesn't sound like the Scotty we all know and love. I'm baffled as to why he would say that.



(the new party line to toe)

I am founded in reality, just because the congress does not have the cajones to do what is right does not make me grounded in reality.

Quite the contrary. I am well founded in reality.

The reality is

bush wanted war with SH for a long time prior to the invasion, 9/11 gave him the opportunity.

he manufactured an excuse to go to war.

congress aided and abetted either willfully or not.

if they were deceived in the intelligence used then they did not willfully abet if they were completely aware of the facts then they willfully abetted him.

HOWEVER, the resolution did NOT call for war against Iraq, it put the onus in bush's hands to confront the ONGOING threat posed by Iraq, a masterful bit of rhethoric. Bush was given the power to decide yay or nay.

Since it was a foregone conclusion and the intelligence was fixed, the decision to invade was criminal.

Iraq posed no threat, Bush knew that.

There is/was no scenario by which iraq posed a threat to the US, wmd do NOT just magically appear and land in the US.

iraq was NO threat

iraq did NOT have a humanitarian need

UNSC did not authorize invasion

therefore, invasion was illegal.

and yes congress is cowardly for not prosecuting bush etal for its actions, the problem being it would destroy our government. the cancer of the criminal act goes deep into our nation.

our nation will fall, it is inevitable, our democracy is flawed.

we will have a collapse, we will have a revolution, what comes out of it will be interesting.

"I was deferred because of college. thats a place that people a whole lot smarter than you get together and learn things. and then my lottery number was high enough to remain and as I have said on many occasions."

Really, that's why I went to college on academic and athletic sholarships and was a tutor for right wing tards such as yourself. I have posted that many times. Since you only regurgitate talking points you wouldn't understand the comprehension part so I won't waste my breath there....

Secondly, wow, what guts, you would have served if you were drafted......what fucking courage. Typical rightie, you are not volunteering for shit, but will go if forced too.....wish you could see the piss puddle forming in front of me from laughing hysterically.....

And since reading comprehension isn't a strong skill set of yours, yes I was talking about W, hence the W, that was typed and not the BLT.....but glad u were edubacated in college...must have been one of those prestigious Pat Roberts institutions...

LM

Who are you trying to convince, truth?

The only reason I said you were out of touch was if you expected this congress to do anything about it.

And my last comment was a dig about yesterday's chivalry article. Holding the door for you and all... ;-)

The one thing we learned from all that was never lie under oath about getting blown. Especially when you've made a mess all over someone's dress.

Posted by FagHag_Celine


True - the Bush method would be abuse of the office and issue an executive order against inquiries into oral office procedures do to threats against national security.

Its what they call transparency.

ahhhhhhhhhhh

"Two words. Jeff Gannon.
nuf said."

Couldn't have been said any better, the real story from this administration will be the revelation that GWB was actually the first gay president in US history, at least Clinton smoked cigars and not cock!!

LM

"Posted by FagHag_Celine"

Posted by Repugnant

I don't know what I did to deserve that one, pudgie.

All my gay friends think I'm much more than their hag.

call it cumulative expression or chivalry

you can be my bitch any day!

"call it cumulative expression or chivalry"

Posted by Repugnant

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............
.

BLT,

I can talk about any topic I want to, abortion, don't need a vagina for that, just to be educated on the topic. I mean an abortion doctor who is a man has no right to talk about abortion, that's fucking stooopid....

Since you and I have the exact same amount of military service we can also talk about that one....I currently visit my two family members in the core at A&M and am quite informed on what is going on there. Living with an ex navy member, she has taught me quite a lot about military, and oh yeah there is a thing called reading....so I am informed. would I claim to be an expert without the action no, would I talk from a point of firsthand experience, no, but it would be an informed, educated talk, unlike your nonsensical ramblings.

Keep me laughing I am enjoying this immensely...

LM

Sam Houston Institute of Technology



whose motto is

For Brains.

Sam Houston Institute of Technology



whose motto is

For Brains.

~ TRUTHHURTS


It was also Prominently displayed in Large Letters on his intramural JV Golf Shirt and Majorette outfit!

Couldn't have been said any better, the real story from this administration will be the revelation that GWB was actually the first gay president in US history, at least Clinton smoked cigars and not cock!!

LM


and oh yeah there is a thing called reading....so I am informed. would I claim to be an expert without the action no, would I talk from a point of firsthand experience, no, but it would be an informed, educated talk, unlike your nonsensical ramblings.


I guess that was an example of informed, educated talk???? But to most here anything negative written about Bush or the right is considered intellect.Especially when it comes to sex, orientation or drugs.

"I guess that was an example of informed, educated talk????"

Posted by crispee_oc

Sweet 8lb 6oz baby jesus, crisp.....

It was a joke, fool.

You really are fried.

It was a joke, fool.

You really are fried.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-29 11:24 AM


Sure it was Hag. Just like anytime someone posts something proven false or made up. It's always a joke or sarcasm. Unless of course it is anyone who dares to be leaning right. Then of course it is stupidity, ignorant, lies, Bush loving....

god, why are righties such whiny bitches.

"Unless of course it is anyone who dares to be leaning right."

Whatever, man. If you can't see that those attacks are usually about what the post says about the poster, rather than about the supposed truth or falsehood of the post, what can I say to you?

god, why are righties such whiny bitches.

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-05-29 11:34 AM | Reply


Says the Vag that wants "tag" banned...

Whatever, man. If you can't see that those attacks are usually about what the post says about the poster,

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-29 11:35 AM

That was my point. Poster claims to be educated and posts something contrary. But as long as it is critical to anything or anyone on the right, it is endorsed and never challenged.

god, why are righties such whiny bitches.

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-05-29 11:34

Bbbbut Bush lied! Now the world hates us. We are no longer a super power. Woe is me! What are we going to do??? Help us!!!

Sincerely,
The left

But as long as it is critical to anything or anyone on the right, it is endorsed and never challenged.

Posted by crispee_oc

That's crap, crisp. There are plenty of otherwise respectable liberals on this site, I guess myself included, who call bushit when they see it, regardless of the target.
I continually piss off liberals here. and I'm usually the more liberal one.

****Bbbbut Bush lied! Now the world hates us. We are no longer a super power. Woe is me! What are we going to do??? ****

.......its time to take out the trash........

.......its time to take out the trash........

Posted by skizziks at 2008-05-29 12:11 PM

I thought that was the mantra of November 2006. How has that gone???

I thought that was the mantra of November 2006. How has that gone???

Posted by crispee_oc

You're right on that score. See crisp?

Told you so.

"I thought that was the mantra of November 2006. How has that gone???"

They didn't take all the trash out, we'll get more of it in November, McClellan is helping us to make sure everyone knows who the trash is.

They didn't take all the trash out, we'll get more of it in November,

More of what? You all cried and complained about the prior majority and enough fools believed it. We will be out of Iraq. We will impeach Bush and Cheney. We will lower gas prices. We will bring back the integrity and respect of the world. Blah, blah, blah... Why would anyone think more Dems would make any difference? They have already proven how useless and weak they really are. Not that I am complaining. I have no problem with the current Houses doing anything. Look at the SCHIP debacle.

"I guess that was an example of informed, educated talk???? But to most here anything negative written about Bush or the right is considered intellect.Especially when it comes to sex, orientation or drugs."

COC, it waz actually a joke, but as a matter of point, your white house has never validated the pajama party sleepovers with a gay member of press corps, nor was there any real answer as to why during those visits Jeffy wasn't listed and it was done in secrecy.....Also based on the fact that soooooo many politicians like clergy, fancy young men, it's simple connect the dots. Sorry COC if you don't like the smell of the story, but it definitely has a stench of shit on/in it.......

And please, whiner, you tards on the right hammer hillary based on sex, obama based on race, bill based on drugs and sex so your panties get bunched up whenever your own tactics are thrown back in your face.

LM

Also based on the fact that soooooo many politicians like clergy, fancy young men, it's simple connect the dots

More of your educated and informed talk???

You have to forgive Crispee for his inability to understand basic arithmetic. Seems that he suffers from Right Wing Mathematics Defficit Disorder.

You have to forgive Crispee for his inability to understand basic arithmetic. Seems that he suffers from Right Wing Mathematics Defficit Disorder.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-29 12:52 PM |

Funny how you couldn't respond to a factual post. About the current House you were stupid enough to believe would be any different. Or change for the better. Maybe if they had anything good to offer they wouldn't need a veto proof majority.

BTW If you are dumb enough to rip on someone have the brains to check your spelling.

"BTW If you are dumb enough to rip on someone have the brains to check your spelling."

Oh, now you're the spelling police???

And you don't think things are different already????
Er....have you checked out the Iraq funding bill???
The VA bill is likely to pass in spite of a veto.

Sorry, but you can't do math, don't blame me.

And you don't think things are different already????
Er....have you checked out the Iraq funding bill???
The VA bill is likely to pass in spite of a veto.


Wow!! Only what a year and a half??? I love how you try and rip me by crying about the spelling police. Usually you blame the right for everything the left does. I thought it was only politics. I guess when you live a pathetic, boring life it is easy to blame others for your misfortune.

They didn't take all the trash out...
Posted by danni

Well, it is ALOT of trash.

Hag,
I stand corrected and apologize for grouping you in with washed up losers like danni.

Would love to wait and see what the pond scum from Florida has to post. But seeing as I have a 10:45 tee time I will have to laugh later.

Does McClellan believe the 9/11 story from the Administration?

Really?
He did?
Is the Pope Catholic?
Does it snow in North Dakota in the winter?

"More of your educated and informed talk???"

Boy the truth really hurts you, you should watch a documentary called deliver us from evil, talks of the tens of thousands of persons in clergy with sex crimes over their heads. Sorry it wasn't a talking point on Rush or Hannity, and I am sure you don't really educate yourself on topics based on your substanceless posts. Unless your even dumber than I thought, the last few years have been littered with whore stories from politicians acting out with boys......never mind you are fucking dumb.

And the whore stories line was a play on words, so sad I must explain to you....

LM

McClellan was fired because he sucked at his job and now he is bitter. Who else would hire the loser? He makes no allegations against the Bush Administration until surprise surprise a lucrative book deal comes along. He had plenty of opportunity to speak out after he left but said nothing. Now he makes up crap to sell books. I hope he has to testify before Congress so he can be exposed for being a liar or risk imprisonment for lying under oath.

Now that McClellan has revealed that Bush himself knew of the Plame outing yet stood right in front of the TV cameras and said that no one who was part ot it would be in his administration.....isn't basicly everything he has said suspect....including especially his testimony (not under oath) to the 9-11 Commission.
As the public begins to realize the depths of the dishonesty and the immensity of the crimes committed I think they will begin to suspect that conspiracy theorists aren't as crazy as they used to think.
Eventually far larger crimes than any of us have suspected could be revealed.

He had plenty of opportunity to speak out after he left but said nothing.

Posted by utastaff at 2008-05-29 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Right, riiiiiggggghhht...

That is what Karl Rove said on Fox news anyway.

Or, do you have an inside source in this admin that told you this?

The truth of the matter is I don't like this @ss wipe and never have but there seems to be a pattern here....

I'm not 100% convinced that the guy didn't try to speak up at one time or another.

Well, Judas McClellan, a man more inept than "Brownie," received his "appointment" because of his political connections. In state and local politics, I've seen people whose "experience" consists of using a mallet in setting "elect my candidate" signs, appointed to jobs that seemingly require skill, and even having agencies under their direction, while being without any qualification, and screwing things up, or finding an able career administrator in place and riding that horse.

Here's some of the scoop on his mother and father, and some other relatives.

His mother is a nutcase, who ran as an "Independent Republican" and was abandoned by the Republican establishment. The entire family was sucking on the political teat for its livelihood.

Born in Austin, Texas, McClellan is the youngest son of Carole Keeton Strayhorn, former Texas State Comptroller and former 2006 independent Texas gubernatorial candidate, and attorney Barr McClellan. McClellan's brother Mark McClellan headed the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and formerly was Commissioner for the Food and Drug Administration.

McClellan's father, Barr McClellan, is even more intriguing. Barr worked for Ed Clark's law firm in Austin, the firm of former President Lyndon Johnson, where he was supposedly afforded access to the secrets of the Johnson political machine. He left Clark's firm over a client dispute and later left the practice of law after a disciplinary complaint was filed against him concerning litigation against a bank, which he claimed called in an outstanding loan he had with the bank in an effort to bankrupt his law practice. In 2003, long after the deaths of Johnson, Clark and the rest of the gang, McClellan wrote a book, "Blood Money & Power", in which he lays out a conspiracy theory of how Johnson and Clark had President John F. Kennedy assassinated as well as other people who got in their way. A number of the Texas oilmen alleged to have had a role in the Kennedy assassination were big supporters of the Bushes in Texas politics.

As much as I deplore what McClellan is doing to Bush with this tell-all book, I have to say that Bush only has himself to blame. There were plenty of good reasons not to have anyone from the McClellan family as members of his administration. Aside from his family problems, he performed the job as ineptly as any White House press secretary I can recall. The Bushies now claim McClellan was fired from his job, but Bush kept the incompetent press secretary on for nearly three years before unloading him.

Well, Judas McClellan, a man more inept than "Brownie," received his "appointment" because of his political connections. In state and local politics, I've seen people whose "experience" consists of using a mallet in setting "elect my candidate" signs, appointed to jobs that seemingly require skill, and even having agencies under their direction, while being without any qualification, and screwing things up, or finding an able career administrator in place and riding that horse.

Here's some of the scoop on his mother and father, and some other relatives.

His mother is a nutcase, who ran as an "Independent Republican" and was abandoned by the Republican establishment. The entire family was sucking on the political teat for its livelihood.

Born in Austin, Texas, McClellan is the youngest son of Carole Keeton Strayhorn, former Texas State Comptroller and former 2006 independent Texas gubernatorial candidate, and attorney Barr McClellan. McClellan's brother Mark McClellan headed the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and formerly was Commissioner for the Food and Drug Administration.

McClellan's father, Barr McClellan, is even more intriguing. Barr worked for Ed Clark's law firm in Austin, the firm of former President Lyndon Johnson, where he was supposedly afforded access to the secrets of the Johnson political machine. He left Clark's firm over a client dispute and later left the practice of law after a disciplinary complaint was filed against him concerning litigation against a bank, which he claimed called in an outstanding loan he had with the bank in an effort to bankrupt his law practice. In 2003, long after the deaths of Johnson, Clark and the rest of the gang, McClellan wrote a book, "Blood Money & Power", in which he lays out a conspiracy theory of how Johnson and Clark had President John F. Kennedy assassinated as well as other people who got in their way. A number of the Texas oilmen alleged to have had a role in the Kennedy assassination were big supporters of the Bushes in Texas politics.

As much as I deplore what McClellan is doing to Bush with this tell-all book, I have to say that Bush only has himself to blame. There were plenty of good reasons not to have anyone from the McClellan family as members of his administration. Aside from his family problems, he performed the job as ineptly as any White House press secretary I can recall. The Bushies now claim McClellan was fired from his job, but Bush kept the incompetent press secretary on for nearly three years before unloading him.

I wonder who wrote the book for this rather ineffective fellow. It seems that he is just a mouthpiece they bought to have purportedly uttered the statements attributed to him.

To provide verisimilitude, some of the material is presented as pure speculation, but nevertheless restated by the media as if it were factual and observed behavior and commentary by the protagonists.

Good to see the Bush apologists are out in full force.

DENY, DENY, BASH, DENY!

Does anyone suspect that this "payoff" is for a work intended to affect the general election? Who could be that cynical?




Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-29 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hey, I know, lets play the "look at other scnerios"
game...

If this guy is such a low down liar why didn't he lie about how the Bush administration was set up and totally misunderstood????

How the left painted such a terrible picture and ruined it's reputation??

OR, how the Liberal Media has torn apart an administration that was nothing but good for our Country??????????


Answer:
Because 75% of our nation is DONE with this clown.
It wouldn't sell. People are tired of being lied to. Lies that have serious consequences.

I said it before, I never liked this @ss wipe before and I don't like him now...

He's a typical coward that was scared to stand up for whats right when he could have made a difference.