Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, May 23, 2008

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama. "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

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Advice to Obama: under no circumstances should he accept an invitation to a picnic with the Clintons in Fort Marcy Park.
en.wikipedia.org

They shoot old bitches, don't they?

www.imdb.com

FF...OOH

The other fatal mistake would be for BHO choosing her as VP.

Wow. This bitch has no shame. What a phony excuse to keep running, as if the DNC wouldn't be able to choose another nominee if the unthinkable happened.

You've got to be kidding me. This lady is insane.

Maybe she's in cahoots with some Bosnia snipers.

Hillary Clinton's argument for staying in the race took a disturbing turn today. While meeting with the editorial board of South Dakota's Sioux Falls Argus-Leader, she raised the specter of Obama's assassination as a reason to stay in the race:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."
www.huffingtonpost.com

She just jumped the shark.


Ted Kennedy forced the vote to the floor of the 1980 Convention while nearly 1000 delegates behind with only 120-something available.

He said he did it as a matter of principle for his supporters.

Mentioning things that have happened historically in June during primaries is only jumping the shark to histrionic prepubescent cheerleaders.

She is now officially a C.U.N.T.

Bye-Bye VP nod!!!!!!

Yeah! You never know when there might be an "accident" or maybe Obama will get depressed and start felling suicidal like Vince Foster.

Corky, are you defending Clinton on this statement?

He said he did it as a matter of principle for his supporters.

Happy hour had already started.

histrionic prepubescent cheerleaders.

Nice ad hominem attack there, sweetie.

Corky,

Get the hell out of the way of that sinking ship.

It sucks everything down around it.

Watch the Super Delegates ROLL in for Obama over this fucked up statement.

I bet Bill even fucks a hooker tonight over it just to spite her, and he won't let Hillary even smell the girls pussy. (That will drive her nuts)

"Mentioning things that have happened historically in June during primaries is only jumping the shark to histrionic prepubescent cheerleaders."


Apparently there is absolutely nothing Hillary could do or say that Clinton Cultists won't defend.

Obama beats McCain in OH.

www.drudge.com

One less reason for Clinton to stay in the race.

Basically:

"So, Senator Clinton, you've accepted Senator Obama's invitation to join his ticket as the vice presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. Could you explain why you've agreed to take second-place?"

"Well, you just never know, now, do you? I mean, he might be assassinated. I'm not saying he will be assassinated and I'm not saying he should be assassinated. But these things happen."

I don't think there's much chance of Obama coming up with something like this:

"Senator Obama, clearly you have the majority of pledged delegates, the majority of announced super delegates, you're ahead in the nomination process. Why do you think Senator Clinton should throw in the towel and call it a day?"

"Well, you just never know, now, do you? I mean, someone might shoot her if she keeps running. I'm not saying they will and I'm not saying it's a good idea. But you just never know, do you?"

That Hillary, she sure does exude Clintonian classlessness.

"histrionic prepubescent cheerleaders."

But enough about your plans for Saturday night...



This is NOT going to sit well with a lot of the uncommitted SD's. I think she really crossed the line this time and isn't going to be able to get back again.


Laughable. Obama has a statistically insignificant 1.3 lead on McCain in Ohio, while Clinton beats him by over 8.

Obama also loses to McCain in FL by more than 8.

realclear

and he won't let Hillary even smell the girls pussy.

FF

Laughable.

What's laughable is that your same source has Obama up 5 points over McCain in the fall, while Clinton is only up 1.5 points.

You DID notice that, didn't you Corkpuff?

Written by one of my favorite college Professors @ U of Montana (& a former Denver Post editor:>)


THE AFTERNOON OF MARCH 30, is the story of a Montana newspaperman who is at first puzzled, then curious, then finally outraged by what the national news media never told the American people about the attempt of John W. Hinckley Jr. to assassinate the president of the United States.
It is a real-life mystery story, a detective story, a newspaper story, a spy story and more than one love story. It is a polemic that explores the strange "coincidences," curious "happenstances," major discrepancies, critical omissions and possible covert disinformation activities in the wake of a bullet that came within an inch of changing the course of history. It is a story of a journalist's fierce devotion to the American ideals of freedom and justice. It is a different kind of roman clef.
Even more dangerous for the future of our country than a conspiracy to assassinate a president is a conspiracy to manipulate and control what the American people are told by the national news media. This book--among much else--examines the official cover-up of vital information that left scores of unanswered questions surrounding the event of the afternoon of March 30, 1981. From the book, page 6:

When it happened it was beyond the grotesque. For seconds Jonathan Blakely was stunned. John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of NBC Nightly News that the brother of the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president if the attack had been successful. As a matter of fact, Chancellor said in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the vice president's son the very next night. And, of course, the engagement had been canceled. . .

Then a peculiar thing happened: The story vanished. To this day, it has never been reported in the New York Times, Washington Post or many other metropolitan newspapers, never again mentioned by any of the television news networks, and never noted in news magazines except for a brief mention in Newsweek, which lumped it with two ludicrous conspiracy scenarios as if the Bush-Hinckley connection didn't deserve some sort of explanation. [See Newsweek SIDEBAR below]



www.nathanielblumberg.com

Hillary:

He won't be assassinated, as far as I know.


It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons, in this case Dem primaries that ran into June with Bubba and Bobby, without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage.

What a disgusting display.

Obama has a statistically insignificant 1.3 lead on McCain in Ohio, while Clinton beats him by over 8.
And if he by some chance gets shot, then his lead will be ultra-statistically insignificant.
~Sitonthebegginstrip

Obama also loses to McCain in FL by more than 8.

But he's not a CUNT.

Watch the Super Delegates fly this weekend Corky!!!!

And you can kiss her VP ass good bye.

How does it feel to back a candidate that talked campainged herself right out of an election and talked herself right off of a ticket.

Has their been a more horribly run campaign?

This is how you lose ALL respect for a person in one minute.

I wonder if whe will get a visit from the Secret Service.

Any other person would.

"What a disgusting display.

Posted by Corky"

Yes, it was. And I'm sure she will live to regret it. No, seriously, I'm sure she will live.

without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage.

They're BOTH democrats you fucking idiot.


candidate

Has their been a more horribly run campaign?


Kerry 2004

Kerry never lead in the polls.

Remember, Hillary was a LOCK to win this thing.

"It such an ugly PC World"

HELP! Changegirl! Save me!

-Corky

It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons,

----

And where does an assassination fit into this comparison? Stating Bobby was still running in June...that's an accurate comparison. Adding the assassination is not.

What a useless pile of human excretiment Hellary has sunk. Rotten from the soles of Her feet to the top of Her head. My God She has no shame.

Larry Mohr

From Minneapolis Star & Trib front page headlines yesterday:>)


President has few fans left in state

Minnesotans are thoroughly soured on President Bush's performance and are even more sour about the nation's path according to a new Star Tribune Minnesota poll.

By BOB VON STERNBERG, Star Tribune

Last update: May 22, 2008 - 5:09 AM


Minnesotans are profoundly dissatisfied with the job President Bush is doing -- and are even more disenchanted with the general trajectory of the nation.

A new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll found that only a quarter of the state's residents approve of the president's job performance, the harshest assessment of his tenure. Two-thirds give his performance a thumbs-down.

At the same time, only 14 percent of Minnesotans say things in the nation are generally headed in the right direction, while 77 percent say the United States has gotten seriously off on the wrong track.

That level of dissatisfaction also is higher than at any other time during the Bush presidency


www.startribune.com

Hillary & Lieberman should run together as a 3rd party candidates for Israel's right to run our foreign policy, The party could be called "Nuke Iran Now":>)


Well, with Messy Nessy "thinking" that partisanship can only apply to Dems vs Rethugs, and Many Lobotomies driveling all over the thread.... I don't know how Rogers will ever get this thing clean.

Historically speaking, as she was, I would like someone to point out how she was incorrect.

But I know, just mentioning Bobby's killing in historical perspective is enough to give air under the wings of the mindless vultures and buzzards around here.

Hellary better hope and pray NOTHING happens to Obama or else everyone will think She pulled a Byron(Think that is His first name)"Low Tax" Loopered" Obama, What a disgrace.

Larry Mohr

Kerry 2004

Posted by eberly

oh, the fellow who won Ohio?


I see that the San Anphonio Rose is still stinging with his hurt about be caught lying on another thread.

I don't think Changegirl is going to be able to help you with that.

"Historically speaking, as she was, I would like someone to point out how she was incorrect."

Nobody said she was incorrect.

Just incredibly, incredibly stupid. Or do you think its OK to say anything that pops into your mind out loud with no filter whatsoever?

www.drudge.com

Video and Obama campaign response.

But I know, just mentioning Bobby's killing in historical perspective is enough to give air under the wings of the mindless vultures and buzzards around here.



Posted by Corky


how many shot were heard again...8, 9?

"I see that the San Anphonio Rose is still stinging with his hurt about be caught lying on another thread."

You're a funny guy, Mr. "Obama is losing in Ohio".

But nice attempt to deflect. Now go put your Nader bumper sticker on the Pacer.


These candidates speak more words per day, words that are recorded, than most people do in a lifetime.

And both of them have said rather unfortunate things, if you will remember BitterClingerGate, fer instance?

She was making a point, a valid one, but one that she probably would not have made in the same way had it been a written statement.

Conclusion:

There is no such thing as a graceful exist as far as the Clintons are concerns. This incident, gaff, whaterver you like to call it, just destroyed any chance of a graceful exit.


That's the Porshe, thank you very much.

34102, remember?

but one that she probably would not have made in the same way had it been a written statement.

The last thing we need is a president casually talking about the assassination of others, doncha think?

This incident, gaff, whaterver you like to call it, just destroyed any chance of a graceful exit.

And it should ruin her political career.

As if her campaign hadn't already done that.

Boy, the Clintons really know how to fuck things up don't they.

34102, remember?


AKA the new "magic number."

Hillary shouldn't leave the race until all the votes are counted, including Japan, Fiji, Moldova, Norway, Estonia, Uruguay, New Zealand, etc....

-Corky

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has issued a quick apology after citing the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason she should remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.


news.yahoo.com


She was talking about historical perspective, candidates that went into June, Messy, not casual conversation.

If Clinton wanted to stay in the race then why didn't she take a page from the Huxter book and mellow out? She could have done that to not let down her supporter, but not screwing things up even more for the Dems.

Look at how the Huxter acted when he was running with McCain and everyone knew McCain would get the magic number while Huckabee wouldn't. He was just hanging around, having fun, etc.

She new a ginormous temptest was going to brew over this comment so she apologized right away.


Fine, now it's over.

If only Obama had done that after BitterClingerGate or Rev Wrong, he might be able to get a few blue-collar votes.... somewhere.

tempest

Ah, the deflect.

So the question now...

Corky, do you think she was wrong to apologize?

he might be able to get a few blue-collar votes.... somewhere.

Maybe he should look in Iowa. Or Virginia. Or Ohio. Or North Carolina. Or Wisconsin, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Missouri, etc.

"can I still be vp, sweetie?"


"can I still be vp, sweetie?"

Posted by Bani


fuck you all, I'm FF myself:>)


-Corky, do you think she was wrong to apologize?

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever,"

Not at all. If anyone was really dim enough and emotionally unstable enough to take offense at her referencing history, she regrets that.

Fine by me.

If anyone was really dim enough and emotionally unstable enough to take offense at her referencing history, she regrets that.

----

Right. She should mention all historical assassinations of prominent black men too. Her followers would probably have no problem with that either.

BitterClingerGate, fer instance?


Nah...Corky . Now I thought people got carried away with her "white working voters" remarks. But this "assassination" remark is bad with a big B ! BHO could be a lightening rod to many wackos out there for any number of reasons.

You're just so completely, moronically, magically stupid Corky. You swear it's a verbal gaffe which show's how much shit you have backed up inside you.

This was intentional, this was a grievous insult to Ted Kennedy for his support of Obama and shows just how little there is that Hillary won't do to get elected. You're just as bad.

Fuck you, the horse you rode in on and the pack of mangy dogs that followed behind.

Right. She should mention all historical assassinations of prominent black men too. Her followers would probably have no problem with that either.

Posted by Pirate

ff

Does this stupid fucking bitch realize that there are nutcases out there who think Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist sympathizer and might want to do a Sirhan on him?

too bad Hillary can't make this story vanish like the Bush/Hinkley story did:>)

Would she really be sad if he was assassinated and she became Pres?

My guess is no.

I'm no Obama cult member like a number of you on here but I agree with you all that Hillary's remark was way out of line. I'd read awhile back that Obama had asked for Secret Service protection in this campaign months before SS protection is normally assigned to the candidates and they gave it to him because of threats he had received.

Hillary said:

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

I call BS. Saying that she was only comparing the length of husband's primary in 1992 with Robert Kennedy's primary is a joke. The length of Kennedy's primary is not what is remembered by all Americans about Robert Kennedy's primary -- it was his assassination.

Face it -- there's is no other way to interpret what Hillary seemed to be trying to say. More like she means something like the following:

"Hey, I'd be stupid to pull out of the campaign early because there's still a chance maybe somebody will shoot and kill Obama and then I'd be the front runner."

There are a lot of racist wackos out there who for their own mental hangups would not accept a Black man as President. It only takes one with a gun. And NO it does not have to only be some hick Southern white guy either. Racism comes in all colors.

I don't see how Hillary can spin her way out of this one.


Hinckley married twice; first on December 6, 1641 to Mary Richards, and again to Mary Glover (nee Smith) on March 15, 1659. He may have had as many as 17 children; different sources disagree on the exact number. One of his children, Samuel Hinckley (whose mother was Mary Richards), was a direct ancestor of President George W. Bush, as well as an ancestor of the former president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gordon B. Hinckley.

en.wikipedia.org


Maybe the sleeper choice for McBush's vp spot is Mormon Mitt Romney?

Fine now it's over?

Not by a long shot, this was like a PC way of threatening Obama, "staying in the race could get you killed Obama" and that is why I am staying in this race....hillary.

It is clear like that but no one wants to spell it out.

"And both of them have said rather unfortunate things, if you will remember BitterClingerGate, fer instance?"

Yes Corky, we do remember. We also remember how you said at the time "oh well, everybody says unfortunate things sometimes", and then you magnanimously let it go.

Oh wait, no. You carped on that and mentioned it in every possible post you could for weeks.

You're a real pip there Corko.

Good grief.

"She was making a point, a valid one, but one that she probably would not have made in the same way had it been a written statement."

Okay, so from now on we just read the statements her staff writes for her and ignore the drivel that comes pouring out of her maw?

Sounds like a plan.

I just read something remarkable. "Remarkable" as in, "It is remarkable that my eyeballs are still in my head after reading that."
. . .
"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

She has a point: June is a great month for political assassinations.

Why drop out of the race before all the assassins have had their say?

After all, we know Barack Obama has received multiple death threats -- because he is black, of course, and because some of our fellow citizens think he's a secret Muslim terrorist who is going to take the oath of office on the Koran and make us all pray to Mecca five times a day with that screechy music coming over the loudspeakers(?) and then he'll fly Air Force One into the White House(?).

And the truth is, Obama has consistently failed to win over those voters who want to see him murdered.
. . .
In the interest of fairness, I should note that Hillary has since apologized for her curious statement. That is, she has apologized to the Kennedys.
www.huffingtonpost.com

She made the point that Kennedy was still running in June. That he was assassinated at that point was in no way associated with Obama. It was simply a statement that showed that there have been other campaigns going on till June.

To associate her statement with Obama is ludicrous.

She even apologized to the slow-witted people who hear "assassination" and tie it to Obama.




HAAHAA CORKY YOU STUPID FUCK - YOURE TO DUMB TO ADMIT SHES FINSHED! EVEN NOW!!

and so are YOU, you look stupider than Ahole or BLT ever have!!

I didnt think it could get any worse for her or you, but it did!

If I were you Id change my screen name or something, maybe lye low for a few years, you just got BLOWN THE HELL OUT THE WATER!!!


She's just so good at history.

In the same editorial board meeting, Clinton said "it is unprecedented in history" for political activists to urge a candidate to withdraw when his or her chances of winning the nomination appear remote. In fact, such events have happened several times.

Three months ago, Republican hopeful Mike Huckabee angered Sen. John McCain by lingering in the GOP race after McCain's nomination seemed all but assured. "Of course I would like for him to withdraw today," McCain said at the time.


news.yahoo.com

She even apologized to the slow-witted people who hear "assassination" and tie it to Obama.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


BB the Quick Witted! Or Hillary over Obama man?:>)LOL

"it is unprecedented in history" for political activists to urge a candidate to withdraw when his or her chances of winning the nomination appear remote."

She meant its unprecedented to urge ME to withdraw.

Marc Ambinder wonders about the explanation of her Bobby Kennedy reference:

For those who contend that Clinton was referring to competitive contests or example, why didn't she bring up Ted Kennedy in 1980? Or Gary Hart in 1984? I think she was pointing to primary races where the eventual nominee was unknown at this point in the cycle.... But 1984 would apply more, her husband was the de-facto nominee at this point, and the compressed calender really renders such comparisons null and void.
www.huffingtonpost.com

She even apologized to the slow-witted people who hear "assassination" and tie it to Obama.

----

Who else is she currently running against in the primary?

"I don't think Changegirl is going to be able to help you with that.

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-23 04:55 PM"

Besides, ChangeGirl is really busy underneath Corky's skirt right now. She said it is some messy business, and it will take a while to get through all the tangles.

This was intentional, this was a grievous insult...

Technically a Freudian Slip.

Just another manifestation of Clinton's evil mind. If the Democrats haven't had enough of her before, this should be the dealbreaker. The fact is, if anyone deserves to be ducking "sniper fire" it is GI Hill.

Bill Clinton Teaching 'Donkeys to FLY'
May 23, 2008 at 8:51


By PATRICK HEALY and JEFF ZELENY
While Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her advisers insist that she is determined to win the Democratic nomination, friends of the couple say that former President Bill Clinton, for one, has begun privately contemplating a different outcome for her: As Senator Barack Obama's running mate

desertpeace.wordpress.com

"Is Teddy Bare doing better"


As President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "In politics there are no accidents. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way."

"She said it is some messy business, and it will take a while to get through all the tangles."

Try a reversable cury comb:
www.uksaddlery.com
There's probably one somewhere around Eight Belles' stall.

If she really just wanted to talk about the campaigns that went into June, she could have easily done that without referencing the assassination. She's either a wicked bitch or a loose cannon. Either way, she doesn't deserve the nomination.

Clinton insiders suggest 'open civil war' over VP spot

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux reported that formal talks are underway between Barack Obama's campaign and Hillary Clinton's campaign which could end Clinton's campaign for President and result in an offer of the VP spot to Clinton. Clinton insiders say if some type of compromise is not reached it could mean "open civil war" within the party.

rawstory.com

How's Ron Brown doing these days, folks?

I don't know if that will do it, Doc. ChangeGirl is calling for one of these: i.ehow.com or these: onkeir.files.wordpress.com

"Clinton: Remember RFK"


when did the title get changed?:>)

Monte, sounds like it might be time for the Roto Rooter man: en.wikipedia.org
"Call Roto-Rooter, that's the name, and away go troubles down the drain."

You could be right, Doc. If so, I feel sorry for the snake.

You could be right, Doc. If so, I feel sorry for the snake.

this is why we call people like Corky 'sheep'

Hillary basically says that she is waiting for one of her "hardworking" white working class nutjob supporters to do the deed and eliminate her chief rival.

and Corky says its no big deal

I never in a million years thought I would defend Hillary, but this is being blown WAY out of proportion. I understand what she was saying, and it seems Obama's campaign is once again playing the victim.

Sadly, knowing how the media works, this may be it for Hillary. They've decided already, and all stories will be angled to throw her under the bus.

I was really enjoying the show too. Damn.

/walks away pouting.

Monte - LOL

Wow. I didn't expect Hillary to play the RFK card.

RCADE - FF

If Senator Obama actually ends up naming Senator Clinton as his running mate he better start wearing a full-body flak suit. Sounds like Senator Clinton is losing it big time. Coming right off the rails. And I say that as a former supporter of Senator Clinton's campaign. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

All of the Hillary Haters are out, both from the Left and the Right. The lady mis-spoke, an apologized for it. But no, these people just hate the Clintons to much they will have headlines tomorrow saying that "CLINTON WANTS OBAMA ASSINATED", GET A HOLD OF YOURSELVES ASSHOLES!!!

She is not nor will she be the last to mis-speak, hold McCain an Obama to the same fire than maybe I can take you fuck serious.........

"What a disgusting display.

Posted by Corky"


Yes, it was. And I'm sure she will live to regret it. No, seriously, I'm sure she will live.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-2008



Yes, Hillary will live, but will Obama?

Wonder who've the Clintons have got lined up as the hitman?

FBI files indict Bush, Cheney and Co. as war criminals
By Bill Van Auken
23 May 2008


The most stunning revelation in a 370-page Justice US Department Inspector General's report released this week was that agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had formally opened a "War Crimes" file, documenting torture they had witnessed at the Guantnamo Bay US prison camp, before being ordered by the administration to stop writing their reports.

The World Socialist Web Site, together with human rights groups and other opponents of US militarism and repression, has long insisted that the actions of the Bush administration--the launching of wars of aggression, assassinations, the abduction and detention of civilians without trial and, most repugnant of all, torture--constitute war crimes under any legitimate interpretation of longstanding international statutes and treaties.

To have this assessment confirmed, however, by the IG of the Justice Department, the only senior official there not answerable directly to the White House, and by agents of the FBI, an agency not known for its sensitivity to questions of democratic rights, is an indication of the rampant character of these crimes as well as the crisis they have engendered within the US government and America's ruling elite as a whole.

The report makes it absolutely clear that torture was ordered and planned in detail at the highest levels of the government--including the White House, the National Security Council, the Pentagon and the Justice Department. Attempts to stop it on legal or pragmatic grounds by individuals within the government were systematically suppressed, and evidence of this criminal activity covered up.

www.wsws.org

Billy boy is innocent of all charges, though...

Even the first part of her sentence is historically misleading. Bill Clinton was the almost-certain nominee in March 1992. The only person running against him by the end (and miles behind) was the Quixotic Jerry Brown campaign.

To claim Jerry Brown's mantle as a reason to keep running is ludicrous.

On this date in 1818, Egwale Seyon, Emperor of Ethiopia, died. So there was another Emperor of Ethiopia. Which just goes to show, you never really know, do you?
~Hillary "Herodotus/Nostramdamus" Clinton

Alter: Clinton Isn't Counting All the Votes

Fear not, Johnny. By the powers invested in me by RCADE you'll find the thread "Assassination" on the back page. I sense this one will have some legs.

Posted by OohRah


it does & by another name now:>)

www.drudge.com

There's no way Hillary can have Obama taken out now by some hitman.
All bullets would lead back to her after this statement she made. The Clinton camp will have to make it look like a suicide -- as though Obama just couldn't take the stress of the campaign trail any longer and have him found with a suicide note - a la the DC Madame "suicide" last week.

(Geeze, hope conspiracy scenario won't get me paid a visit by the Secret Service?)

"To claim Jerry Brown's mantle as a reason to keep running is ludicrous.

Posted by lawnchair at 2008-05-23 06:34 PM"

Well, you had "Governor Moon-Beam"

Now it looks like you've got "Senator Shoot-the-Moon"

Two things come to mind here:

1) Mrs. Clinton did not mean anything by her statement.

2) Her statement was the stupidest thing she possibly could have come up with to say.

Stick a fork in Hillary, she's done. Which leaves a lot of us with a dilemma. Obama's unacceptable, and so is Bush Part III- um, McCain. And now Hill has shot herself in the foot.

God help America.


All of the Hillary Haters are out, both from the Left and the Right. The lady mis-spoke, an apologized for it. But no, these people just hate the Clintons to much they will have headlines tomorrow saying that "CLINTON WANTS OBAMA ASSINATED", GET A HOLD OF YOURSELVES ASSHOLES!!!

She is not nor will she be the last to mis-speak, hold McCain an Obama to the same fire than maybe I can take you fuck serious.........

Posted by celisary the nice now:>)LOL





As President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "In politics there are no accidents. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way."

Posted by Bani

/agrees with MaryTyler

It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons, in this case Dem primaries that ran into June with Bubba and Bobby, without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage.

What a disgusting display.

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-23 04:43 PM


you are right is was a disgusting display of Hillary's inner mind. Someplace I prefer not to be. It seems dark and dank in there. Why O why was she even going to that dark and evil place of Assignations...this is something we all FEAR...someone trying to KILL OUR HOPE...what are her intentions?

I think they were not good. So yes, it was a disgusting display of the Clintonian strategy of Win at all costs. Scorched earth, everything in Politics is fair throw in the kitchen sink tactics...

stick a fork in...she's done.

I wonder if the La Vegas odds makers are taking notice & betting on this mess Hillary has stirred up for all to see?


She even apologized to the slow-witted people who hear "assassination" and tie it to Obama.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


BB the Quick Witted! Or Hillary over Obama man?:>)LOL

Posted by Bani at 2008-05-23 06:13 PM | Reply


I'm just reporting the news. I'm voting for whichever dem gets the nomination. However, you simply refuse to face facts.

Hillary won NY, CA, Wva, OH, PA and Obama didn't

The states that gave Obama the nomination are red states--states that Obama won't carry in November.

Current polls show Obama losing FL, OH, Wva, and the election, while the same polls show Hillary winning those states and the election.

I guess stating facts makes me a Hillary man.

Assignations = Assassinations stupid spel chker

She and Huckabee should team up as the Arkansas Assassination Tag Team Ticket.

stick a fork in...she's done.

Posted by donnerboy


and she may have done finally America a huge favor ~ the question most blacks have been believing needed to be asked (& that Jesse Ventura already voiced months ago) is "When?" thus saving his life in the long run perhaps...


we'll see

Teapot, meet tempest.

Just wish the librul MSM would have spent 1/10 of as much faux outrage at huckleberry's shoot the nigger joke, but apparently Republicans get a pass on that kind of shit.

What's next, every body freak out if Hillary mentions Lincoln ( he was shot too)freeing the slaves ?

See Corky, I am not biased.

I guess stating facts makes me a Hillary man.


Posted by Buffalo_Bob


enjoy your facts then, BB:>)



Carter: "US Candidates MUST do as Israel says"

www.youtube.com

I can't believe rcade put this shit up in big letters. this is Bullshit. Clinton simply stated that RFK was still campaigning in June to make the point that other campaigns have gone on a long time.

Such a tactic from rcade seems Rovian and seriously diminishes my respect for his fairness. Going to republican lying tactics like this makes him just as bad as Rove.

What's next, every body freak out if Hillary mentions Lincoln ( he was shot too)freeing the slaves ?

See Corky, I am not biased.

Posted by northguy3


ff

Such a tactic from rcade seems Rovian and seriously diminishes my respect for his fairness. Going to republican lying tactics like this makes him just as bad as Rove.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


yawn...he did change the title, though, I like the other better:>)

enjoy your facts then, BB:>)


Posted by Bani at 2008-05-23 06:58 PM

Enjoy 8 more years of republican rule.

;-)

B-Bob, do you actually hope to garner support for Hillary?
Has she promised funding for lunar smoke-stacks?

"Clinton simply stated that RFK was still campaigning in June....

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 06:59 PM"

Liar. Clinton COULD have simply said that, but instead she chose to add that he was then assassinated. If purposeful, wciked bitch; if not, undisciplined.

Such a tactic from rcade seems Rovian and seriously diminishes my respect...this makes him just as bad as Rove.

Hahahaha

Face it b00b, you have no respect for yourself or anyone else.

This woman really does not have the character to be president. I don't know if she is actively inviting an assassination attempt or inadvertently revealing some dark inner wish. And I don't care. It's time for her to get out of the race. Not because of the math, not even because Barack is the better candidate (though he is) -- simply because she is not honorable enough to hold the office.

My little site, and frankly, I've never been prouder of it:

http://
www.SurrenderHillary.com

"she misspoke" no she f**king didn't, she spoke what she is hoping will happen, it was a dog whistle to her racist supporters, and anyone who doesn't think so is delusional. That is why putting Hillary as VP on the ticket would be a death sentence for Barack. THERE IS NOTHING THIS WOMAN WILL NOT DO TO ACHIEVE HER AIM. Okay I'll calm down now.

I can't believe rcade put this shit up in big letters. this is Bullshit. Clinton simply stated that RFK was still campaigning in June to make the point that other campaigns have gone on a long time.

It's a big story that's currently lead on CNN.Com ("Clinton explains assassination reference") and ABCNews.Com ("Hillary Likens Lengthy Primaries to RFK Slaying: What Was She Thinking?"). Even if she meant her comment to be innocuous, it's a big story that she'd commit such a gaffe. Dropping an RFK reference when you're explaining why you haven't quit the race is on par with "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"


B-Bob, do you actually hope to garner support for Hillary?
Has she promised funding for lunar smoke-stacks?

Posted by Snark_Needleton


The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 1
Years 1870-1959


I like the ones seen at the White House days before & after my birth for this particular lifetime...as the right to hear the bani (tinnitus?) all the time:>)


www.ufocasebook.com

/grabs the popcorn


Come on yall, tear into each other. I want to see blood.

As someone over at Politico said "this could not only be the end of her presidential run it could be the end of her political career"

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

Posted by rcade


ff

this: www.ufocasebook.com looks like one of these: www.galvestonhistory.org being tossed in the air to me.

Here's the current lead of this story from AP: "Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds."

When AP is calling your RFK assassination comment a "reason to remain in the race," a characterization that will be in hundreds of newspapers around the U.S. tomorrow morning, that's a big story. No matter what Hillary Clinton meant, the barn door's open and the horses are gone.

If that's not the final nail in her coffin, the bitch is a zombie; queen of the undead.

Here you go Ani (by the way, is Ani plural for anus?): www.mediabistro.com's%20little%20bloody%20head-
thumb.png
weblogs.cltv.com
www.twistedsiblings.com
time-blog.com

It's not going to kill her candidacy.

Barack Obama's head campaign dude David Axelrod was just on Hardball, which led with this story, and he was gentle with Clinton. All he would say was to repeat that it was a "unfortunate remark," and he disagreed strongly with the suggestion that Clinton was raising the possibility of Obama's assassination as a reason she shouldn't quit.

He was so kind that it makes me wonder whether the Obama/Clinton ticket might really be happening. The only other reason to be that nice is because they think this is completely over already no matter what Clinton says or does. And I have trouble believing the Obama camp has fully written her off.

Wow Montecore! That was SUPER creative! I can't remember if you were a super annoying Liberal or a super annoying Con...

either way, you suck.

I was hoping my comment would remind the Lib's to NOT TEAR EACH OTHER APART - seems to be too much of that going on.



O - and no, I didn't click on any of your links. :)



Cheers!

"Here you go Ani (by the way, is Ani plural for anus?)

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-23 07:26 PM"



"hahaha! I know right!

What was I thinking?! Sheesh!

/facedesk

:)

Posted by Ani at 2008-05-23 07:30 PM"

No matter what Hillary Clinton meant, the barn door's open and the horses are gone.

Posted by rcade at 2008-05-23 07:24 PM


But, But, But... she is so experienced how could this happen?

Perhaps it is not all about "experience" after all?

nawwww!

Can you say President Obama?

YES WE CAN!

Don't fear the links, multi-Anus. Unless you are afraid of a bloody mary, that is.

Liar. Clinton COULD have simply said that, but instead she chose to add that he was then assassinated. If purposeful, wciked bitch; if not, undisciplined.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-23 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag


So--when was Kennedy assassinated? She was simply stating facts. What do you think she was trying to say? What WICKED thing do you imagine she was saying? What PURPOSEFUL, WICKED thing do you imagine she was saying?

Spit it out--what do you imagine she was saying? Let's hear it.

BBob - why didn't she simply say "Robert Kennedy's campaign stretched into June"?


this: www.ufocasebook.com looks like one of these: www.galvestonhistory.org being tossed in the air to me.

Posted by mOntecOre


It's been a few years since I've seen a really blatant one, but over 10 of us were talking/walking about in the parking lot of this location area...

www.ci.chanhassen.mn.us

...when we saw the white tunnel tube like one with ufognats coming one of its ends in 4pm Summer Sunday clear blue skies for over ten minutes...

Montecore

Few people mention Kennedy without mentioning he was assassinated. Now--how about it---what WICKED thing was this BITCH trying to say?

And I have trouble believing the Obama camp has fully written her off.

Posted by rcade at 2008-05-23 07:31 PM


of course you are right RCADE... if she can be graceful and does not shoot herself in the foot or put Bill's ________ (I was gonna say foot, what were you thinking?) in her mouth then she does have place in the Democratic Party. In fact, she really should be the next President if she just calms down.

Its up to her though. I agree that Obama is already the Nominee and is justing waiting his official nod.

BBob - why didn't she simply say "Robert Kennedy's campaign stretched into June"?

I somewhat agree with you Bob. Just like my wife will accuse me of coming across one way when I intended another... sometimes the words we choose convey a meaning different from that which we originally intended.

It was a poor choice of words. We're all human and capable of making mistakes. This was one. We could argue that a person of her status - vying for the POTUS - ought to be more discreet. And that argument would have merit.

No, I don't think it's her way of signaling the crazies in her corner to do her bidding.

If She sinks any lower Her and Her Brother in Law Dubya will have to compete for space at the Satanic Bar and Grill on the lowest level of hell. I swear.

Larry Mohr

Clinton insiders say if some type of compromise is not reached it could mean "open civil war" within the party.

Good ! A-1-fuckin' good !

Obama has seven kinds of courage to be in this race and he must not have this slut behind his back as VP.

All you need to know is right here.

www.etherzone.com


BBob - why didn't she simply say "Robert Kennedy's campaign stretched into June"?


Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-23 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag


Montecore

Few people mention Kennedy without mentioning he was assassinated. Now--how about it---what WICKED thing was this BITCH trying to say?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 07:39 PM | Reply

He was so kind that it makes me wonder whether the Obama/Clinton ticket might really be happening. The only other reason to be that nice is because they think this is completely over already no matter what Clinton says or does. And I have trouble believing the Obama camp has fully written her off.

Posted by rcade



the Obama people I've met so far (only when they were caucusing in St Louis Park, MN & where I met Al Franken, too, my brother's classmate at Blake private HS:>) have all been a class act.

Then there is the grandstanding Wright...which my half Jewish ex-wife agrees with
mostly...whatever:>)

Its hard to believe someone so revered only a few months ago has become so reviled and loathed by objective-thinking people of this nation for the incredibly gratuitous way in which self promotion has morphed into the baser vanities which humanity typically tries to keep out of sight.

I'm sick and tired of being told that Senator Clinton is a victim of sexism, or racism, or the glass ceiling, or misogyny when the only one I see bringing up these issues is her, herself and her supporters. She has willingly and openly been caught lying about her own quite public past on multiple occasions, but still denies her blowing of the "dog whistles" repeatedly and quite blatantly at the same time she expects decent supporters to simply ignore what she's done and to blame it on her opponent instead of herself and her own perverse political calculus.

This time, its nearly universally accepted that she's crossed the line of decency and civility expected of public figures. Its one thing to openly embrace the votes of bigoted and prejudiced people as though its a badge of honor for a centa-millionaire and her spouse, but its quite another to openly analogize her own political ambitions with the most tragic acts of derangement which humans can commit, namely assassination.

There was no positive message to be gleaned from her analogy no matter how many times she apologizes, (and she's yet to apologize to Senator Obama himself, just the Kennedy family) and the reality of many more non-tragic analogies were readily available shows the calculation of forethought working behind the scenes. During the week the Kennedy family has learned that the last surviving brother, who's spent his adult life in the service of this nation, has inoperable cancer, the desperate runner-up in the Democratic nomination process chooses to invoke his brother's assassination as a reason to stay in a losing campaign is beyond the pale. Its beyond decency, its beyond tactlessness, and its beyond whatever metric we should expect from someone thinking that they should become the most powerful person in this nation by way of the ballot box.

As far as I'm concerned, in the traditions of old, Hillary Clinton is dead to me. She no longer exists, she no longer matters. She has forfeited whatever good works that lie in her past. She is not a loving person, she is not a person to be admired. She has become a person to be pitied for her own personal vanity and unrelenting ambition. She should make it her remaining life's work to yet again restore a modicum of decency to her own legacy as she stands in the ashes of her own self-immolation fueled by the nakedness and volatility of her own hubris.

I guess we didn't know her at all, did we?

Admit it B-Bob, this Hillary worship is the closest thing to a "Relationship" you've ever had.

"I guess we didn't know her at all, did we?" - TONY

Your friends on the right have been telling you that for years.


Admit it B-Bob, this Hillary worship is the closest thing to a "Relationship" you've ever had.

Posted by Snark_Needleton

FFFF

If what she said doesn't fall under the category of "Freudian slip" I don't know what does...

Your friends on the right have been telling you that for years.

I know, but we refused to listen. I've already admitted my personal mea culpa on more than one occasion.

But it seems the former Goldwater Gal still fits in quite nicely in the party that Rove re-created in his diabolical image.

Seems you guys only hated her because she was on the other side, not because of what she did, only that they kept beating Republicans by playing dirtier than they did.


New Hillary Poster
Bound to be a collector's item. Available exclusively from the Hillary Store ($40):

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Even without the political Tourette's (SNIPERS! ASSASSINATION!), Hillary was making two dumb comparisons. Bill was assured the nomination in March of 1992 when Tsongas suspended his campaign. And in 1968 only *thirteen states* held primaries! Getting the nomination in those days was entirely a matter of smoke-filled rooms, so, yeah, RFK was campaigning in June. Her situation is nothing remotely like either of the above.

She cited historical instances of long campaigns stretching into June.

She suggested that hers should because Obama could be assasinated.

What she said was crystal clear. That may not be what she meant, but that's what she said.

"Seems you guys only hated her because she was on the other side, not because of what she did, only that they kept beating Republicans by playing dirtier than they did." - TONY

Hate's a strong word for me personally but I'll work with it. Your post confused me a bit toward the end though.

I'd always felt she was a coniving bitch... willing to do or say anything in pursuit of her goals. Whether it was the firing of the White House travel staff... or any number of other suspect acts... to her sacrcastic/cold personality... like Rush says - she reminds us of our ex-wife. At least Bill was a likeable guy.

So my dislike was both regarding her policies and her tactics/personality.

She reminds me of the powerful person who few liked or trusted... and who grows old as a lonely woman.

But this isn't the first time she has made this same, offensive comparison. In March of this year:

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

Once might be a mistake, twice and it's a tactic.

"Getting the nomination in those days was entirely a matter of smoke-filled rooms, so, yeah, RFK was campaigning in June. Her situation is nothing remotely like either of the above." - LAWN

Exactly. Simply another example of Clinton Inc being disengenous. Back when Bill was in charge, the media never really questioned such statements.

Admit it B-Bob, this Hillary worship is the closest thing to a "Relationship" you've ever had.

Posted by Snark_Needleton

FFFF

Posted by Bani at 2008-05-23 07:59 PM | Reply |


I'm completely neutral between Hillary and Obama, however you seem to know what nasty thing Hillary was implying by this statement:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

What nasty viscious thing was this nasty woman implying here? I don't see anything but her saying that other campaigns have lasted until June--but what do YOU see. Spit it out--what is the nasty implication here?

Hey Bob,

Obama Leads McCain In Ohio Now And Has Had A Constant Lead In The General.

Now Those Are The Facts, Period !!

Polls: Obama Improving In Key General Election States

UPDATE: Survey USA has an Ohio poll suggesting a sizable 9-point lead for Barack Obama in a matchup against McCain.

www.huffingtonpost.com

-Sarge


"Getting the nomination in those days was entirely a matter of smoke-filled rooms, so, yeah, RFK was campaigning in June. Her situation is nothing remotely like either of the above." - LAWN

Exactly. Simply another example of Clinton Inc being disengenous. Back when Bill was in charge, the media never really questioned such statements.

Posted by OohRah at 2008-05-23 08:15 PM


So--what were the primaries for in 1968? Which election was the first one without the smoke filled rooms determining the candidate? Which election was the first one to count primaries as being a factor?

idiots--no wonder the republicans always win.

What nasty viscious thing was this nasty woman implying here? I don't see anything but her saying that other campaigns have lasted until June--but what do YOU see. Spit it out--what is the nasty implication here?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 08:20 PM | Reply

Well Lets Look At The FACTS :

Ted Kennedy Went Till June

Du-Doo Went Till June

So What Was The "Anything Can Happen" Mean ?

Those 2 Others Are Alive And Went To June Didn't They ?

RFK Was Shot And Killed So That Was The Anything That Could Happen She Ment; Would You Not Say ?

-Corky

I've been on to Hillary since "Prevailing Winds" second issue in 1995 (mag out of print now) featured "Oklahoma City: Cui Bono?" by Adam Parfrey

Which has disappeared off the internet for now...but fragments remain of its thesis morphing here below abit:>)
circa 1995

PREVENTING A REIGN OF TERROR:
CIVIL LIBERTIES IMPLICATIONS OF TERRORISM LEGISLATION
David B. Kopel [FNa] Joseph Olson [FNaa]
Abstract: This Article examines a wide spectrum of recent and anticipated federal anti-terrorism proposals. Discussed in particular detail are two bills originally introduced in 1995: President Clinton's proposed legislation and a bill proposed by then Senate Majority Leader Robert Dole. The authors also discuss the mood of the American public on the terrorism issue, proposals for greater involvement of the military in domestic law enforcement, and constitutional concerns raised by the Bill of Rights. The authors make the argument that a more efficient exercise of existing federal powers not the creation of new powers is the proper way to battle terrorism.


www.davekopel.com


Oklahoma City: Cui Bono?
Featured in Prevailing Winds magazine, this Adam Parfrey-penned article prominently features the indepth and authoritative research contained in Christopher Simpson's book Science of Coercion (New York: Oxford University Press, 1996) on the early development of Psychological Operations (PSYOP) warfare.

href="http://www.disinfo.com/ archive/pages/dossier/id283/ pg1/">www.disinfo.com


then the link to the old mag with the article may be for sale...Not sure? Neither is the link:>)

www.prevailingwinds.org

Sarge

I'm sitting right in the middle of Ohio.

WBNS 10 TV in Columbus Ohio tonight on the 6 O'Clock news put the results of a May 22 poll from Quinnipiac on the screen.

McCain 44% Obama 40%

Clinton 48% McCain 41%

That's a fact

Most democrats want Obama as President. The country as a whole seems to favor Clinton.

Obama has an uphill battle to win in November. Race is an issue. That can be the only varying factor for such a wide swing in voting percentages. The difference between McCain and either dem candidate is vast--far more than the difference between Clinton and Obama.

Facts are Clinton won NY, Pa, Oh, WVa, Ca, and Obama didn't.

Facts are the states that gave Obama the nomination are red states--states Obama won't carry in November.

It may feel all good to be on the Obama band wagon, and he'll definitely get my vote--but it won't be so good if OH, FL, and WVa goes red on election night, and FL and WVa look REAL red with an Obama candidacy, and a pretty blue with a Clinton Candidacy.


www.electoral-vote.com

www.electoral-vote.com

The primary holding states in 1968 were:

California, Oregon, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Florida.

It should be pointed out that Ronald Wilson Reagan had the plurality of primary votes in 1968, not Nixon. Reagan and Rockefeller, though, couldn't decide which of them went on the top of the ticket, so Nixon took the nomination. Smoke-filled rooms??

As a result of this madness, virtually all states had primaries or caucuses in 1972.

Don't they teach history any more?

RFK Was Shot And Killed So That Was The Anything That Could Happen She Ment; Would You Not Say ?

-Corky

Posted by Sarge at 2008-05-23 08:29 PM | Reply


Anything could happen? BFD. Anything could happen anytime anywhere. I see nothing there. What is the nasty part? Anything can happen? She could win the nomination? The Rapture will happen? Tell me what the fuss is all about--what nasty thing was she implying? Be careful on the way home. Anything can happen.

;-)

She is over the line on this one!!!!

Once might be a mistake, twice and it's a tactic. tigerbalm

Chris Matthews said that it was the THIRD time she's made the reference to RFK.

I don't think it's a secret that some people are hoping that something happens to Obama, or that he's had death threats, and she's finally down to this one last hope for her candidacy.

It doesn't surprise me one bit. The Clintons are simply EVIL.

Current polls show Obama losing FL, OH, Wva, and the election, while the same polls show Hillary winning those states and the election.

I guess stating facts makes me a Hillary man.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 06:49 PM


Clearly you missed this thread:

www.drudge.com

"It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons, in this case Dem primaries that ran into June with Bubba and Bobby, without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage."


Corky,

PC nothing. What Clinton said was sick.

Her two examples for staying in the race are bullshit.

was that Bill didn't wrap up the nomination until June in California which doesn't even apply. By that time Clinton had the race wrapped. He didn't have the official number of delegates needed yet but he had a huge lead over anyone else. He pretty much put that race to bed when he won New York in April of 92.

Her other big example, Kennedy's assassination. The outrage isn't because it's not PC. First off it is a sick comment. She's basically saying the only hope she has left to win the nomination is that something swift and awful such as an assassin's bullet could end Obama's campaign.

But to your bullshit point, just like the Bill Clinton example, this is not an apt comparison to the current race. The 1968 race wasn't even close to being decided and Kennedy was not the front runner when he was shot. He had 393 delegates compared to Humphrey's 561.









what is the nasty implication here?

The b00b p'Troll just wants to play his silly games.

She was asked how she could win the nomination at this point when Obama had a majority of the pledged delegates. My bet is that she never intended to get out until the convention. She could suspend her campaign and get another whore like Feinstein to nominate her for VP if she couldn't take it away from Obama.

Finally she shows her true colors in a way that can not be denied.

Chris Matthews said that it was the THIRD time she's made the reference to RFK.

Ozarkie

Tell me what the fuss is all about--what nasty thing was she implying?

BB

Drive carefully...Drive very carefully...Drive very, very carefully...

CLINTON BODY COUNT

By: Ether Zone Staff

Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could not be verified or connected to the Clinton scandals. All deaths are listed chronologically by date. This list is current and accurate to the best of our knowledge as of January 13, 1999 August 1, 2000.


www.etherzone.com


Adam Parfrey short bio from my last post that didn't jell here:>)
www.disinfo.com

Don't they teach history any more?

Posted by lawnchair at 2008-05-23 08:34 PM

A similar event could take place this election cycle. There are scenarios where Gore could be the nominee. Facts are the primaries then were just as important then as they are now. Facts are the smoke-filled room is just as likely now as then.

Electors select the nominees--voters are just a guideline for them.

Facts are Kennedy was campaigning until June.

Facts are Kennedy was assassinated in June.

Facts are this is a bunch of dems attacking another dem over nothing. Hillary won't get the nomination anyway, and it looks to me like you assholes are kicking a dead horse.

Ozarkannie

what is the nasty implication here?

"The b00b p'Troll just wants to play his silly games."

Not at all, I'm just missing what all the hysteria is about and trying to get an answer.


"She was asked how she could win the nomination at this point when Obama had a majority of the pledged delegates."

Now you are just a liar Annie. She was not asked that question. You made up that part--that makes you a liar doesn't it? Just checking.

"My bet is that she never intended to get out until the convention. She could suspend her campaign and get another whore like Feinstein to nominate her for VP if she couldn't take it away from Obama."

Like you know WTF you are talking about. How many times did you vote for Bush?


"Finally she shows her true colors in a way that can not be denied."

What colors are you talking about? Can you express your insults a little more clearly or should we all guess at your meaning.

Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-05-23 08:46 PM | Reply

Facts are this is a bunch of dems attacking another dem over nothing. Hillary won't get the nomination anyway, and it looks to me like you assholes are kicking a dead horse.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


3 times she's mentioned RFK recently according to Chris. Martin Luther King shot same time period, too...just a coincidence ~ hazards of politics:>)

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

and it looks to me like you assholes are kicking a dead horse.

She need to be buried then. Why aren't you calling for that?

Her other big example, Kennedy's assassination. The outrage isn't because it's not PC. First off it is a sick comment. She's basically saying the only hope she has left to win the nomination is that something swift and awful such as an assassin's bullet could end Obama's campaign.

Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2008-05-23 08:45 PM

Thank You Perfectly Stated !

-Sarge

Facts are Kennedy was campaigning until June.

Facts are Kennedy was assassinated in June.


----

Facts are Clinton has almost no chance of winning. Facts are she mentions an assassination when defending her reason for staying in the race.

Facts are Clinton won NY, Pa, Oh, WVa, Ca, and Obama didn't.

Facts are the states that gave Obama the nomination are red states--states Obama won't carry in November.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 08:33 PM
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 06:49 PM
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 06:34 PM
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-23 11:18 AM|
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-22 07:59 PM |

Current polls show Clinton winning Ohio, Florida, WVa, and the election in November. Current polls show Obama Losing Ohio, WVa, Florida, and the election in November.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-22 07:49 PM
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-22 09:54 AM
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-20 08:38 PM



etc.

Facts are you are a loser spammer who couldn't come up with an original thought if your life depended on it.

Speaking of "depends", isn't it time you changed yours?

And you said you don't spam. LOL!

For somebody who is supposedly ready on day one, she has her foot in her mouth a lot.

Guess that's why Bill was looking elsewhere for an available mouth.

"Facts are Kennedy was campaigning until June.

Facts are Kennedy was assassinated in June.

Facts are this is a bunch of dems attacking another dem over nothing. Hillary won't get the nomination anyway, and it looks to me like you assholes are kicking a dead horse."

Facts are at the time of that shooting there were about 1200 delegates decided out of about 2600 total.

Facts are Kennedy was trailing in the race at that point.

Facts are that Clinton could just suspend her campaign, not drop out, and heaven forbid if something did happen she could pick it up again.

Instead she called upon the fears that many have that any of the three candidates still running for President could have something horrible happen. The statement is beyond the pale and demonstrates Clinton's ambition has no limits.

3 times she's mentioned RFK recently according to Chris. Martin Luther King shot same time period, too...just a coincidence ~ hazards of politics:>)

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."


Posted by Bani at 2008-05-23 08:56 PM | Reply


And the deep dark implication is WHAT--WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK SHE WAS SAYING. Spit it out kid--what is the terrible secret.

But to your bullshit point, just like the Bill Clinton example, this is not an apt comparison to the current race. The 1968 race wasn't even close to being decided and Kennedy was not the front runner when he was shot. He had 393 delegates compared to Humphrey's 561.


Posted by johnny_hotsauce


And RFK was coming alive & everyone knew it!

not a dead horse like?

Now Hillary just said the only reason she brought up a reference to RFK was because the "Kennedys were on my mind lately" -- referring to Ted Kennedy's announcement about his brain tumor a few days ago.

And you said you don't spam. LOL!

Posted by goatman


takes one to know one:>)


Now Hillary just said the only reason she brought up a reference to RFK was because the "Kennedys were on my mind lately" -- referring to Ted Kennedy's announcement about his brain tumor a few days ago.

Posted by CalifChris

such compassion in a political race...When's the funeral for ?

My challenge to da bOoB applies to you too, Bani, if you care to take it. *grin*

"Thank You Perfectly Stated ! -Sarge"

Thank you and until today I respected Hillary and was willing to vote for her in November. I've just felt Obama was the better option.

Now, forget about it come November for Hillary, even if all the SD's swung her way. And, due to this comment, should anything happen such as Hillary suggests she has ensured she would have no chance at winning the nomination at the convention.

She should have just made her bullshit statement about Bill and June and left it at that. Instead she put the nail in her own coffin.

And the deep dark implication is WHAT--WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK SHE WAS SAYING. Spit it out kid--what is the terrible secret.

POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB

Bob,

The "terrible secret" is that SHE IS AN IDIOT for saying she is still in the race still because Obama might be assassinated.


She's basically saying the only hope she has left to win the nomination is that something swift and awful such as an assassin's bullet could end Obama's campaign.

Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2008-05-23 08:45 PM

Thank You Perfectly Stated !

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge at 2008-05-23 09:00 PM | Reply

Finally--someone who makes a statement.

So:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

Means:

Her last hope is that someone shoots Obama so she can get the nomination.


You are a bunch of morons, and you all deserve McCain. It looks like you get him too.

www.electoral-vote.com

;-)

The "terrible secret" is that SHE IS AN IDIOT for saying she is still in the race still because Obama might be assassinated.

Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-05-23 09:11 PM


Where did she say that. I must have missed it.


My challenge to da bOoB applies to you too, Bani, if you care to take it. *grin*

Posted by goatman

last time I recall spamming for points was on the 1000 plus posts that I was trying to give you & instead I got the 1000 & 1001:>)lol


took a month off to recover...was Hillary winning then?

last time I recall spamming for points was on the 1000 plus posts that I was trying to give you & instead I got the 1000 & 1001:>)lol

I still hold a grudge against you for that, Bani. *grin*

Bob,

The "terrible secret" is that SHE IS AN IDIOT for saying she is still in the race still because Obama might be assassinated.

Posted by tigerbalm


but she coyly didn't say that ~ did she.

"How's Mrs. Kennedy doin' theses days?"

Bob, did you watch the video? Your spinning seems oddly disconnected from the actual event. She clearly suggested that you never know what might happen. Like an assassination.

Other candidates had reasons for fighting late into the campaign and hers, as she stated, is the Obama might get assassinated.

Bob - okay I will say it, cause it appears noone else will, if the only way to get the presidency is for a bullet to Barack's brain then Hillary will stop at nothing, not even that. There, happy now, I have been saying this for a bloody year, that is why he should not pick her as his VP, picking her as his VP would be the surest way to a bullet to the brain on inauguration day. Do you think she wouldn't do it because I think that there is NOTHING she would not do to secure the presidency, NOTHING. Happy now?

I still hold a grudge against you for that, Bani. *grin*

Posted by goatman


I do, too, against myself!

Bad, bad, bad Bani for being too much of a people pleaser!


(notice 3 RFK..I mean "bads" there...)

Where did she say that. I must have missed it.

----

She didn't say it directly. However, to mention a past assassination of somebody running for office as a reason why you're still running with a very slim chance of winning is a bad move.

Unintentional but bad move. She clarified that's not what she meant.

How hard is to admit she seriously stuck her foot in her mouth?

Hillary is finished get over it. Any chance she might have had for speaker of the house or Gov of NY is gone. She should go quietly and let the democrats unite under Barack. There is no chance of her being VP or anything else. Her future is done. Dean should do his job and get rid of her. She lost.

Given all the supposed suicides in Clinton's wake, it would be suicidal for Obama to make her his VP.

Bob, you can choose not hear her assertion. But it sure has to be a deliberate choice and HUGE benefit of the doubt.

what the cunt said was a warning to BO wait till june you black bastard.









I'm no fan of Clinton but this is truly a non issue.

Watch the Video. She makes no reference to Obama. She was merely speaking of dem candidates who didn't get the nomination until well into June.

Like I said, watch the minute and a half video and see for yourself.










wait till june you black bastard.

I can see it
now.

June 22 Hitler & Napoleon both began their invasion of Russia.

Maybe Bush/Israel has plans that day for pissing off Russia by sending some love taps to Iran?:>)

It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons, in this case Dem primaries that ran into June with Bubba and Bobby, without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage.

What a disgusting display.

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-23 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree completely.

I'm no fan of Hillary but this had ZERO to do with Obama as I said in my 9:35pm post.

she can always say she wasn't in on the planning.

Here is a transcript of the relevant portion of the interview:



This is the most important job in the world. It's the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it's an interesting juxtaposition where we find ourselves and you know, I have been willing to do all of that during the entire process and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa and I find it-

EB: Why? Why?

I don't know I don't know I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.

EB: You don't buy the party unity argument?

I don't, because again, I've been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June

EB: June

We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. Um you know I just I don't understand it. There's lots of speculation about why it is.


It such an ugly PC World when a candiate cannot talk about historical comparisons, in this case Dem primaries that ran into June with Bubba and Bobby, without having the partisan PC Police foam at the mouth with faux outrage.

What a disgusting display.

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-23 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree completely.


I'm no fan of Hillary but this had ZERO to do with Obama as I said in my 9:35pm post.

Posted by COMMONSENSE


unfortunately there are those of us who haven't forgotten Mena, so it's innocences in name dropping RFK echoes FDR's

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."


The Mena Coverup

THE MOB PRESIDENT
The Mob Helped Clinton get Started In Politics.
It is Now Helping Him Escape the Law

When young Bill Clinton in 1974 made his first run for political office, a crucial $10,000 loan was arranged for him by his uncle, Raymond Clinton. Uncle Raymond has been tied by Clinton biographer Roger Morris to the Hot Springs Mafia.

But it was not until 1984, when Clinton was elected for a second term as Governor of Arkansas, that Mob money really started pouring in. "That was the election when the Mob really came into Arkansas politics, the dog-track and racetrack boys, the payoff people who saw a good thing," a former U.S. Attorney told Roger Morris. "It wasn't just Bill Clinton and it went beyond our old Dixie Mafia, which was penny-ante by comparison. This was eastern and and West Coast crime money that noticed the possibilities just like the legitimate corporations did."

Among the "legitimate corporations" that noticed the possibilities with the rapidly ascending governor thirsting for power and money were front corporations for the intelligence services of the People's Republic of China. The Lippo empire came to Arkansas that year.

By then, Bill Clinton's ties to organized crime had become well- known. His half-brother Roger Clinton was convicted of cocaine distribution in association with Mob figure and Clinton money man Dan Lasater.

In the years that followed, Arkansas became a major cocaine trans-shipment point for the Mafia, crossing paths with the famous CIA Contra resupply operation at Mena.

Bill Clinton had found a most successful formula in U.S. politics: financial backing from a coalition of organized crime and hostile foreign governments.

A MERGER OF THE DIXIE, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK CRIME FAMILIES

So successful was this formula, that in 1992 Bill Clinton used it to reach the highest office, the office of the U.S. Presidency. In return for large campaign donations, the crime families would be represented in the Clinton administration. The New York Mob paid $56 million [1] and won the slot of Deputy Chief of Staff for its lawyer Harold Ickes. The Dixie Mafia paid an undisclosed amount and obtained slots for Patsy Thomasson and Buddy Young. The Chicago political machine sent Rahm Emanuel and David Wilhelm.

Harold Ickes proved his value to the Mob when he held his hand over Mob puppets Arthur Coia and Ron Carey who were under separate RICO investigations by the Justice Department. Patsy Thomasson, in charge of White House drug testing policy, saw to it that criminal figures on the White House staff would not be bothered about past and current drug use.

www.apfn.org

That's commonsense!:>)

"I'm no fan of Hillary but this had ZERO to do with Obama as I said in my 9:35pm post."

Bull f**king shit. It was a dog whistle if I have ever seen one. She f**king knows it. "If that is what it takes then so be it." Anyone who thinks otherwise is Corky level delusional.

stupid fucking pathetic cunt. the clintons have always been a disgrace and this is another in a long line of examples. this is a sick, sick person and hopefully the DNC will throw her out with the rest of the trash.

For having the moniker "Common Sense", you certainly don't display any in your blind and deaf lack of insight into Hillary's obvious meaning.

First, what does the assassination of RFK have to do with primary politics and winning the Democratic nomination? That's right, absolutely nothing! What happened in 1968 when RFK was running for the POTUS? Oh, let's see, Martin Luther King was assassinated in April and RFK was assassinated in June that year, but to mention his assassination in no way should it ripple the latent fears many Americans have that whomever it might be would take away Obama's life before allowing him to ascend to the White House?

Obama fucking calls a woman "sweetie" and he's a sexist lout, but Clinton recalls the most socially traumatic time in recent American history as a rationale for her continued presence in the primary race she cannot win, and it had "ZERO to do with Obama"? Are you that intellectually dishonest that you can't see the forest through Hillary's thighs?

I'm tired of woman and Hillary invoking the feminist struggle every single chance they get as if a half-black/half-white man with the name Barack Hussein Obama had a gilded path to his own political success when said woman happened to be married to the most famous and well-liked Democrat since FDR and is a former President to boot. The reason Hillary lost is because she's been proven incapable of running an efficient organization and putting the proper people in places that would have fostered her own success instead magnifying her failures in both judgment and policy. Just this evening I've had to hear, yet again, of the unpaid debts she's left in the state of Indiana that appear will go unpaid. And this is what many want in a President? Is there any to the reason why Bush 43 got elected twice?

I'm no fan of Hillary but this had ZERO to do with Obama as I said in my 9:35pm post.

----

She was defending her decision to stay in the race. You don't mention an assassination of a previous party nominee when defending a decision to stay in the race.

Especially when you are losing and have almost no chance to win.

Double especially when your opponent is attempting to become the first black President and has the best odds of having an assassination attempt out of all 3.

The reason Hillary lost is because she's been proven incapable of running an efficient organization and putting the proper people in places that would have fostered her own success instead magnifying her failures in both judgment and policy.

Yes yes, Americans need a new loser incapable of running of running an inefficient organization. We (not me) go through fantasy this every election.

"I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact," she said.

www.msnbc.msn.com

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That's how it should have been originally said. She clarified and I accept that. It's going to get over analyzed much the same way Obama's blue collar comments will though.

Check out this video.

www.ebaumsworld.com

"You are a bunch of morons,"

Psted by Buffalo_Bob


Why are you even here, then? Use your vast, superior intellect for something useful, you bloated sack of hot air. Like putting the corpses of dead Jews in your lunar furnace.

"putting the proper people in places that would have fostered her own success"

Draft Michael Dell for president.

Ross Perot actually tried once.

My social psych classes in 1970 ...
Hell, I could have a PhD there.

This is going as predicted.
Cognitive dissonance is a theory.
I knew it as an hypothesis.

Later.

""putting the proper people in places that would have fostered her own success"

Draft Michael Dell for president."

It's his genius.
Also read Herb Kelleher.

www.southwest.com

Just like Bosnia, the Clinton defenders never seem to remember what has already spewed forth from the dragon's mouth in the past:

At Time's Swampland blog, Karen Tumulty notes that this isn't the first time Clinton has referenced her husband's campaign and RFK's assassination when talking about the length of the campaign. She did it in March, in an interview with Time, as well. As Tumulty observes, "Her excuse now is that the Kennedys have been 'much on my mind these days' with the illness of Senator Edward Kennedy, but that doesn't explain what brought it to mind more than two months ago."

On a personal note, the catch Tumulty made is one of my pet peeves about Clinton. Too often she (or whoever writes her statements) tries to go one extra mile beyond what's necessary just to explain herself, and that extra mile ends up being demonstrably untrue -- or at least giving that impression. She didn't need to excuse her comments by saying she was thinking about Sen. Ted Kennedy's health trouble recently, she could have just said she was trying to make a point about the race for the nomination going into June, and that would have been fine on its own. Instead, she looks like a liar, even if you think her earlier comments were completely innocent. This is what I meant when, in a post I wrote earlier this month about what the Clinton campaign had done wrong, I said they failed to make her seem human. A lot of people already think of her as an insincere person willing to say anything to get elected -- why confirm their suspicions? Alex Koppelman


www.salon.com

So how true does her apology today ring with the comments she made way back in March?

You're too focused on trivial, Tony. Here's the big picture.

rense.com

I would encourage the Obama kool aide drinkers to keep some of their 'that is a racist comment' powder dry....it is still months before the general election and you have already turned off most of the nation with your constant accusations. What is even funnier is watching some of the former backers of Bill Clinton now spouting the 'Clintons are Murderers' BS that they used to rail against the right for saying.

I am already certain that Obama will get whopped in the general whether the Michelle Obama 'Whitey' tape exists or not - but it will be a downright laughfest if this tape does surface after all the race cards have been played over the last 3 months. I don't think you can find a topic over the last 3 months on this board without someone accusing Hillary or Republicans or white people of being racists - that is a pretty sad statement.

Honestly, seriously, what about this does not sound threatening? As an African-American, it's been chilling and unprecendented to hear people like Huckabee joke about Barack Obama, a presidential candidate, ducking from gunfire or Bill O'Racist O'Reilly imply that Michelle Obama should be lynched.

Can you imagine if people were saying the same things about George W. Bush or John Kerry during the 2004 race? My God, when did propriety, decency and a sense of responsibility leave the table? Oh and if anyone was still wondering if there would be an Obama/Clinton ticket? Yeah, I think this probably puts the last nail in that coffin.

www.jackandjillpolitics.com

Well maybe if people like yourself would stop saying and whistling racist things and acting as if "hard working white people" were the only true Americans worth fighting over politically you wouldn't be forced to face your own prejudice in a mirror on a daily basis, Jacque.

The funny thing is that Obama can't say how "historically significant" his candidacy has been as a person of mixed racial heritage or people like you would scream he's playing the race card, while Hillary plays the gender card every single day in almost every stump speech she gives. Obama laid out his case four years ago and has reiterated it since: He desires to be President of ALL Americans. Hillary seems to be more interested in her own gender than in the myriad issues having nothing to do with sexism or racism which can't be used to further divide Americans at a time when we need to be united to repair all the damage done during the Bush debacle.

Ted Kennedy forced the vote to the floor of the 1980 Convention while nearly 1000 delegates behind with only 120-something available.

He said he did it as a matter of principle for his supporters.

Mentioning things that have happened historically in June during primaries is only jumping the shark to histrionic prepubescent cheerleaders.


Kennedy may have acted as a matter of principle for his supporters, but Hillary's comment reveals that her real concern is her own political ambition. You've heard of naked ambition? This is about as naked as it gets.

Mentioning the assassination of a presidential candidate, one who has received multiple death threats, in the context of your own presidential bid and using it as a reason why you should stay in the race is not just a gaffe, it's not just a slip of the tongue. I heard one talking head say that it is the kind of thing the Clintons have been talking about behind closed doors. Now it's finally out in the open. Hillary's June Miracle is the death, by assassination, of Obama. I'm sure she only hopes for that on principle and on behalf of her supporters.

Like putting the corpses of dead Jews in your lunar furnace.

Posted by Snark_Needleton at 2008-05-23 10:08 PM


FF.

we need to be united to repair all the damage done during the Bush debacle.

Dream on Tony. Obama will make his own mess as every president before him has. All he knows how to do is tax, spend, borrow and regulate. The very things that brought us here. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I've seen it all.

First sentence of second paragraph should read:

Mentioning the assassination of a presidential candidate in the context of your own presidential bid, when your opponent has received multiple death threats, and using it as a reason why you should stay in the race is not just a gaffe, it's not just a slip of the tongue.

Did anyone see Keith Obermann tonight? He did a powerful, scathing piece on Hillary.

"Oh hell, give the old girl a break! Heck! Shes 60 years old! She was just tired. You think it's easy being on the campaign trail day after day? She was just tired because she just got out of a 8 hour long meeting with her top advisor's where they came up with a winning plan. ;-0" - Bill Clinton

BTW, Hillary, thank you so much for apologizing to the Kennedy's but not apologizing to Obama. That's nice.

"First, what does the assassination of RFK have to do with primary politics and winning the Democratic nomination? That's right, absolutely nothing!" Somebody mentioned this above, and I would say they are right; it was a mention of a historical June. You guys need to calm down and stop the asinine comments.

"I'm no fan of Hillary but this had ZERO to do with Obama as I said in my 9:35pm post."

Bull f**king shit. It was a dog whistle if I have ever seen one. She f**king knows it. "If that is what it takes then so be it." Anyone who thinks otherwise is Corky level delusional.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt at 2008-05-23 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm 'corky delusional'? This from the Crumpet Munching Tiny Limey?

Like I said, I'm no fan of Shillary but I watched the video and it doesn't come across that way to me.


The funny thing is that Obama can't say how "historically significant" his candidacy has been as a person of mixed racial heritage or people like you would scream he's playing the race card,

He doesn't need to say shit with people like you spouting it for him 24/7. If you think Obama has not played the race card, you are a dishonest moron. How many threads have their been about Obama without a supporter of his saying that he is black? They are way more pre-occupied with his race than Hillary supporters.

As far as your disparaging of 'hard working whites' - I don't think we should have to apologize for our hard work which has made this country the great country that it is.

"First, what does the assassination of RFK have to do with primary politics and winning the Democratic nomination? That's right, absolutely nothing!" Somebody mentioned this above, and I would say they are right; it was a mention of a historical June. You guys need to calm down and stop the asinine comments.

If the assassination of RFK has nothing to do with primary politics and the Democratic nomination, then why did she mention it? That's right.

I don't think we should have to apologize for our hard work which has made this country the great country that it is.

That it was. Replaced by a culture that thinks everybody can live off of government.

That's right--it was a Freudian slip of egomanical and dastardly proportions.

How many threads have their been about Obama without a supporter of his saying that he is black?


There it is, folks.

It's a fucking conspiracy.



What hard work have you ever done, Jacque?

Changegirl,

Just to refresh your memory:


Here is a transcript of the relevant portion of the interview:

This is the most important job in the world. It's the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it's an interesting juxtaposition where we find ourselves and you know, I have been willing to do all of that during the entire process and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa and I find it-

EB: Why? Why?

I don't know I don't know I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.

EB: You don't buy the party unity argument?

I don't, because again, I've been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June

EB: June

We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. Um you know I just I don't understand it. There's lots of speculation about why it is.



Folks here know I don't like Hillary and don't want her or Obama anywhere near the WH.


But something is bugging me about all this brouhaha over what she said.

If this is the THIRD TIME she has said this argument to stay in the race--

Then WHY all the brouhaha now? On the THIRD TIME??

Why does it take you folks here on the DR and the MSM to explode when this is the THIRD TIME the woman has said these statements??

It was stupid to say (really-- no one told her to change her comparisons back in March?) and she should have stopped after Bill and offered Ted Kennedy--that would be more accurate.

Mentioning Bobby was not even correct--although they would have gone to the convention had he not been assassinated.

And Rcade--I saw Axelrod --and that was the weirdest conversation ever.

Is Hillary a moron? Yes..Does she put both feet in her mouth? Yes! Should she be POTUS--NO!

Neither does Obama but that is on another thread.


And Bani --links the Clinton dead people list--ether--

Geez it must be really tough to live in Arkansas--they were finding bodies everywhere..


Murphy



What hard work have you ever done, Jacque?

In the words of Dick Cheney - Go fuck yourself TEDBAXTER.

I am a self made man - I did not come from a rich family and I put myself through school without help from mommy, daddy or the government. I got a job in the private sector and through my hard work I am in the top 10% of wage earners in this country. I pay my taxes and obey the law - I am the type of citizen that makes the US a great country. As such, I don't feel as though I need to apologize because I am a white man - the white male is the most discriminated against person in the US and that discrimination is encouraged. I don't discriminate against anyone that is hard working and honest - I do find people that don't have those traits repulsive regardless of their color.

What hard work have you ever done, Jacque?

In the words of Dick Cheney - Go fuck yourself TEDBAXTER.

I am a self made man - I did not come from a rich family and I put myself through school without help from mommy, daddy or the government. I got a job in the private sector and through my hard work I am in the top 10% of wage earners in this country. I pay my taxes and obey the law - I am the type of citizen that makes the US a great country. As such, I don't feel as though I need to apologize because I am a white man - the white male is the most discriminated against person in the US and that discrimination is encouraged. I don't discriminate against anyone that is hard working and honest - I do find people that don't have those traits repulsive regardless of their color.

If this is the THIRD TIME she has said this argument to stay in the race--

Then WHY all the brouhaha now? On the THIRD TIME??


Caught on tape, details at 6.

Olbermann:


We cannot forgive you this -- not because it is crass and low and unfeeling and brutal.

This is unforgivable, because this nation's deepest shame, its most enduring horror, its most terrifying legacy, is political assassination.

Lincoln.

Garfield.

McKinley.

Kennedy.

Martin Luther King.

Robert Kennedy.

And, but for the grace of the universe or the luck of the draw, Reagan, Ford, Truman, Nixon, Andrew Jackson, both Roosevelts, even George Wallace.

The politics of this nation is steeped enough in blood, Senator Clinton, you cannot and must not invoke that imagery! Anywhere! At any time!

And to not appreciate, immediately - to still not appreciate tonight - just what you have done... is to reveal an incomprehension of the America you seek to lead.

This, Senator, is too much.

Because a senator - a politician - a person - who can let hang in mid-air the prospect that she might just be sticking around in part, just in case the other guy gets shot - has no business being, and no capacity to be, the President of the United States.

Good night and good luck.


2008 MSNBC Interactive

the white male is the most discriminated against person in the US

All I know for sure that you do well is whine.

Grow up.

Bani--
9:50pm
The Chicago political machine sent Rahm Emanuel --

So is the claim that Rahm is from a Chicago MOB?

You know Obama came from the same machine...


Murphy

Here's the end of Olbermann's comments; they kind of put the whole campaign in perspective from an Obama supporter's perspective:

God knows, Senator, in this campaign, this nation has had to forgive you, early and often...

And despite your now traditional position of the offended victim, the nation has forgiven you.

We have forgiven you your insistence that there have been widespread calls for you to end your campaign, when such calls had been few. We have forgiven you your misspeaking about Martin Luther King's relative importance to the Civil Rights movement.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about your under-fire landing in Bosnia.

We have forgiven you insisting Michigan's vote wouldn't count and then claiming those who would not count it were Un-Democratic.

We have forgiven you pledging to not campaign in Florida and thus disenfranchise voters there, and then claim those who stuck to those rules were as wrong as those who defended slavery or denied women the vote.
We have forgiven you the photos of Osama Bin Laden in an anti-Obama ad...

We have forgiven you fawning over the fairness of Fox News while they were still calling you a murderer.

We have forgiven you accepting Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement and then laughing as you described his "deathbed conversion."

We have forgiven you quoting the electoral predictions of Boss Karl Rove.

We have forgiven you the 3 a.m. Phone Call commercial.

We have forgiven you President Clinton's disparaging comparison of the Obama candidacy to Jesse Jackson's.

We have forgiven you Geraldine Ferraro's national radio interview suggesting Obama would not still be in the race had he been a white man.

We have forgiven you the dozen changing metrics and the endless self-contradictions of your insistence that your nomination is mathematically probable rather than a statistical impossibility.

We have forgiven you your declaration of some primary states as counting and some as not.

We have forgiven you exploiting Jeremiah Wright in front of the editorial board of the lunatic-fringe Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

We have forgiven you exploiting William Ayers in front of the debate on ABC.

We have forgiven you for boasting of your "support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"...

We have even forgiven you repeatedly praising Senator McCain at Senator Obama's expense, and your own expense, and the Democratic ticket's expense.


But Senator, we cannot forgive you this.

"You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

We cannot forgive you this -- not because it is crass and low and unfeeling and brutal.

This is unforgivable, because this nation's deepest shame, its most enduring horror, its most terrifying legacy, is political assassination.

Lincoln.

Garfield.

McKinley.

Kennedy.

Martin Luther King.

Robert Kennedy.

And, but for the grace of the universe or the luck of the draw, Reagan, Ford, Truman, Nixon, Andrew Jackson, both Roosevelts, even George Wallace.

The politics of this nation is steeped enough in blood, Senator Clinton, you cannot and must not invoke that imagery! Anywhere! At any time!

And to not appreciate, immediately - to still not appreciate tonight - just what you have done... is to reveal an incomprehension of the America you seek to lead.

This, Senator, is too much.

Because a senator - a politician - a person - who can let hang in mid-air the prospect that she might just be sticking around in part, just in case the other guy gets shot - has no business being, and no capacity to be, the President of the United States.


www.msnbc.msn.com

"All I know for sure that you do well is whine."

Great point Ted! Keep up your unappreciative ways and you will finally drive this country to welfare reform. What will you do when you can't get any more government cheese and your welfare checks stop coming in? In this country, there are people that contribute with their labor - and there are those that just sit on their asses popping out babies and leeching from society. I know what group I fit into and I should not have to apologize for it. I never thought I would see a day when hard work was looked down upon in this country....

Overbite is so all over himself and Obama.

Can he just go have sex with his poster like Obama girl did and get over it!


He is so obvious.


Murphy

So she is catching hell after saying these statements three times because?????



Why?



Murphy

Why would anybody want to answer your question, Murphy?

Poor baby.

Next you're going to try to impress me with the cars you drive, planes you fly, houses you own.

You can believe I'm on government assistance if it pleases you.

I can believe anything I want about you.

Pretty sure you're in the top 10% in your dreams.



Next you're going to try to impress me with the cars you drive, planes you fly, houses you own.

Nope - wealth is not defined by what you spend but by what you save. Why do you look down upon those in society that work and are successful? Why does your ilk use 'hardworking whites' as a negative term?

For having the moniker "Common Sense", you certainly don't display any in your blind and deaf lack of insight into Hillary's obvious meaning.

First, what does the assassination of RFK have to do with primary politics and winning the Democratic nomination? That's right, absolutely nothing! What happened in 1968 when RFK was running for the POTUS? Oh, let's see, Martin Luther King was assassinated in April and RFK was assassinated in June that year, but to mention his assassination in no way should it ripple the latent fears many Americans have that whomever it might be would take away Obama's life before allowing him to ascend to the White House?

Obama fucking calls a woman "sweetie" and he's a sexist lout, but Clinton recalls the most socially traumatic time in recent American history as a rationale for her continued presence in the primary race she cannot win, and it had "ZERO to do with Obama"? Are you that intellectually dishonest that you can't see the forest through Hillary's thighs?

I'm tired of woman and Hillary invoking the feminist struggle every single chance they get as if a half-black/half-white man with the name Barack Hussein Obama had a gilded path to his own political success when said woman happened to be married to the most famous and well-liked Democrat since FDR and is a former President to boot. The reason Hillary lost is because she's been proven incapable of running an efficient organization and putting the proper people in places that would have fostered her own success instead magnifying her failures in both judgment and policy. Just this evening I've had to hear, yet again, of the unpaid debts she's left in the state of Indiana that appear will go unpaid. And this is what many want in a President? Is there any to the reason why Bush 43 got elected twice?

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-05-23 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:


Have you not seen my posts? I'm not voting for that bitch, hillary. Far from it, but I'm not going to agree to something that I don't think had the intentions that so many have said it does.

Did you watch the video? Here's my take on it. She was referring to how many in her party want her OUT and it's not even June. She mentions that her husband hadn't gotten the nomination until June in California and then mentioned Kennedy and to me, it came across as her invoking another VERY popular candidate who still hadn't gotten the nod and was killed beforehand (In June).

Sorry if you think I'm being partisan, I'm not in this case. I'm simply tired of faux outrage and I'll defend a candidate (all three) if I think the press is blowing something way out of proportion, as in this case.

BTW...OBAMA '08!

What hard work have you ever done, Jacque?

Posted by TedBaxter at 2008-05-23 11:24 PM |

It Is Clear To See He Has Not Done "ANY HARD THINKING".

-Sarge

Next you're going to try to impress me with the cars you drive, planes you fly, houses you own.

Nope. That would be Zat.

Did you watch the video? Here's my take on it. She was referring to how many in her party want her OUT and it's not even June. She mentions that her husband hadn't gotten the nomination until June in California and then mentioned Kennedy and to me, it came across as her invoking another VERY popular candidate who still hadn't gotten the nod and was killed beforehand (In June).

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-24 12:25 AM | Reply

Lets See 3 Others Went To June Why Mention RFK ?

Lets See She Stated :"Anything Could Happen"

(Like What, He Being Murdered Like RFK And Clear The Way For Her ?)

Lets See She Is Behind In Every Possible Way

1. States Won

2. Delagates

3. Peldged Delagates

4. Popular Vote

5. Money

How Do You Expect Her The Run The Nation When She Can't Even Keep Her Own Funds In Line ?

So She States I'm Going To Take This An Keep Going And You Know Anyhing Can Happen RFK Went On Till June. So She Picked RFK When 2 Others Went On Till June,WHY ?

You Can Be As Objective As You Want To But The Anything Could Happen With The RFK Refrence.

-Sarge

it came across as her invoking another VERY popular candidate who still hadn't gotten the nod and was killed beforehand (In June).

----

She should not have included the killed beforehand part. If her point is that the past primary have gone into June, then it's fine to mention Kennedy. There is no point in mentioning his assassination though. It has nothing to do with a primary going into June.

I don't think she's hanging around in hopes that Obama gets assassinated. However, she seriously goofed on the wording just like Obama did in San Fran. She'll have to pay the piper for that and it probably came at the worst time for her.

......and the worst of this is that it wasn't a "slip" or a misspeak. she meant this. keith olbermann had her documented on at least 3 other occasions saying almost the exact same thing--that is, using her husband's nomination and rfk's assassination as proof that the situation is fluid. this is a TALKING POINT for her, and she finally got called on it. the last 3 times she said it, no one paid attention.
-PTL

So Very True !!

-Sarge

Hillary has crossed the line,
She says the Nom is Mine!
Her supporters squeal
Like it's her Last Meal
and hope for a shot from a Nine.

There once was a twat from New York...

Nope. That would be Zat.

Hey, play nice. Us Zappa fans gotta stick together.

Or something.

There once was a twat from New York...
Who outspent all of Congress with pork.
Though she runs a frantic pace
In the presidential race
It's time to stick her with a fork

Hillary says:

I don't see why people are asking me to quit since RFK was in until June when he was assassinated.

What people hear:

I'm staying in because Obama might be assassinated.

and stupid people believe that is what was in her heart

Kerry said:

Stupid college students end up in Iraq.

and stupid people believe that is what was in his heart.

Dean said:

YEEAAGHHH

And stupid people thought he was crazy

Obama goes to a half-assed Muslim school when he's six.

and stupid people think he's a Muslim

Bush says he saw the first plane hit the WTC

and stupid people think the POTUS can't remember what he was doing when he heard about the attacks on 911.

See where you fit in.

There once was a twat from New York...
Who outspent all of Congress with pork.
Though she runs a frantic pace
In the presidential race
It's time to stick her with a fork


Nice.

It's time to stick her with a fork

Nice.

Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-05-24 01:56 AM


Hillary has been out of this race for some time. She know the numbers better than anyone. I think she's working for 2012 since there is a good chance McCain wins in November.

www.electoral-vote.com

See where you fit in.

This, coming from the guy who thinks that Moonmen have a booming industrial civilization.

Hillary has been out of this race for some time.

Could have fooled me.

Hillary says:

I don't see why people are asking me to quit since RFK was in until June when he was assassinated. The b00b p'Troll


From the transcript:

EB: Why? Why?

I don't know I don't know I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.

EB: You don't buy the party unity argument?

I don't, because again, I've been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June

EB: June

We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.
Um you know I just I don't understand it. There's lots of speculation about why it is.


and stupid people think she just misspoke.

This, coming from the guy who thinks that Moonmen have a booming industrial civilization.

And a guy who thinks that polls six months ahead of an election are actually meaningful.

Could have fooled me.

Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-05-24 02:01 AM


No kidding. What a surprise. It's easy to see where you fit in.

when I just read the headline I wondered what the furor was about because hey I remember him too...
but holy shit......when I read the article and realized what she was saying.....do you think the secret service will be watching for anyone named clinton around barrywayne soon?
and I used to have a long list of names of people who were around the clintons and dissappeared or were 'mysteriously' dead........
barak.......keep looking over your shoulder.....

Ozarkannie

It's easy to see where you fit in too.

Right--Hillary is just waiting for Or hoping for Osama to be assassinated so she can be the candidate, and she has no problem expressing those views on a national stage several times.

Hillary:

Gosh--I hope Obama gets assassinated so I can be the candidate---you news people don't have a problem with that do you? What? You didn't hear me? I said--I hope Obama gets assassinated so I can be the candidate.

You are a fucking moron Annie.

Your chances today before the asination statement on the Hillary Deathwatch were 0.7% on slate.com. They should slip to 0.1% by Monday when the superdelegates start moving to Obama in mass this coming week. Hillaries history of screwing up showing her inability to run this country somehow does not disuade her women supporters. I feel sorry for the women of this country who support her.

I feel sorry for the women of this country who support her.

That's the problem with sheeple on either side of the political spectrum. They will vote a certain way no matter how absurd their candidate is.

www.time-blog.com

Though she has now apologized for that very strange and tasteless comment to the Argus-Leader, this was not the first time she's said it. This from her interview with TIME Managing Editor Richard Stengel, published March 6:

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

Her excuse now is that the Kennedys have been "much on my mind these days" with the illness of Senator Edward Kennedy, but that doesn't explain what brought it to mind more than two months ago.


UPDATE: H/T to commenter Elvis Elvisberg, who notes that even the reference to her own husband's campaign was wrong. Bill Clinton's primary race was effectively over in March.

BuffaloBob

Do you agree with this:

If Hillary was really contemplating (or hoping) that someone would do a hit job on Obama she would not be THAT stupid to say it outloud to the world, right? She would just shut up and, if that was "the plan" some hitman would take Obama out in June (or whenever) and she would act all outraged and surprised.

But now, if any physical harm happens to Obama, Hillary will be the first person everyone would question. Why would she call all that attention to herself if that was her intent for real. She didn't say it outloud in the hopes some lone wacko would take a hint and kill Obama. I'm not sticking up for Hillary but she didn't get where she is now being a total idiot. Her remark was idiotic to make but "eliminating" Obama from the scene was certainly not her real intention.

Besides, can the Democrat party legally force her out before June if she doesn't want to leave? I don't know the answer to that one. What is the LAST date Hillary has in her campaign until she will be forced to concede the nomination to Obama? Anybody know?

Actually, in a perverse way, this is a perfect set-up for the Republicans. They have someone physically take out Obama, Hillary then gets a good portion of the "blame" for even mentioning the idea of an "assassination" out there on the public airways so she has to drop out of the race and then BOTH Obama and Hillary would be out of the running.

Hmmm.

I feel sorry for the women of this country who support her.

You act like Hillary's only supporters are all women. A lot of men have voted for her. A lot of men in West Viriginia just voted for her too. Do you think Hillary supporters consist only of a feminist army of Amazon women?

Olbermann has all the quotes in a timeline:

www.huffingtonpost.com

I think Hillary's next best move would be to go on camera tomorrow and shed a few tears (or at least have her eyes well up) and look directly into the camera and say:

"How could any of you ever think *3 tears run down cheek* that I, *sob* a woman and a mother, *sob, sob* could ever wish physical harm *wipes away tear* to come to anyone. (She needs to let her mascara smear a little to show the tears were real.)

But now, if any physical harm happens to Obama, Hillary will be the first person everyone would question.


Like I said before it's not that she hopes he gets shot, but that she considers the possibility and that becomes her latest excuse to stay in. Then comes the Freudian Slip that reveals what she is thinking.

The Party can't force her out. But you can bet that her fundraising will take a another hit and the SDs will move sooner than later to Obama.

Her half-assed apology - "if anyone was offended" - demonstrates her cluelessness. She's a sociopath and can't understand what the big deal is all about.

Califchris

I don't think Hillary meant anything at all by the remark and was only thinking of the fact that RFK was campaigning in June.

I don't think anyone in this country would want another assassination of any President. To think that Hillary would have that in her heart shows the heart of the people who would say such a thing or even think such a thing. Pure pus and bile, with shit for brains.

To think that Hillary would have that in her heart shows the heart of the people who would say such a thing or even think such a thing. Pure pus and bile, with shit for brains.

Says the guy who thinks Bush had thousands murdered on 9/11 to benefit the oil companies. LOL

OzarkAnnie

You actually think she meant--"I'm staying in because Obama might get shot"?

She said--Why should I quit when Kennedy and my husband were campaigning in June?

There was no "freudian slip", there was only your stupidity and hatred.

Says the guy who thinks Bush had thousands murdered on 9/11 to benefit the oil companies. LOL

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-24 02:39 AM | Reply

Says the guy who thinks Bush can't remember what he was doing on 911 when he heard about the attacks. LOL

However, I never, ever said Bush had anything to do with the attacks except take orders--and his orders were to do nothing. He did very well.

OzarkAggie

In your own personal opinion, do you think most of the guys on here that really hate Hillary (and a lot of them do) dislike her so much because she's a woman running for President or because she's a Clinton? Don't say "both" -- pick one and be honest.

Says the guy who thinks Bush can't remember what he was doing on 911 when he heard about the attacks.

Ah -- the bOoB resorts to his old tactic of putting words into someone's mouth.

Are you going to spam it a couple of hundred times for us, bOoB, using whatever your definition du jour for spam is?

I think Hillary has run a terrible campaign, and invoking the word "assassination" when the 40th anniversery of the event in question is coming up, AND the guys living brother just got a death sentence, are tasteless, and politically suicidal.

Hill is just looking for excuses and arguments to stay in the race she already lost. Her obsession in this area trumped her good reason.

I don't think she actually wants Obama dead. She just isn't moving on all thrusters anymore. It was her campaign to lose.

She did.

PS- Hill is lucky this comment was on a friday over memorial day weekend. Had it been monday...this would have been a true shitstorm.

Goatman

Ah -- the bOoB resorts to his old tactic of putting words into someone's mouth.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-24 02:48 AM | Reply

I have to make your statements for you. You don't have the courage to make any statements. Need proof?

Yes or no.

Did Bush accurately describe his memories of 911 when asked about what he was doing when he heard the news?

I say you won't answer. You never make a stand--you twist and turn like Chubby Checker.

"Are you going to spam it a couple of hundred times for us, bOoB, using whatever your definition du jour for spam is?"

Again--I only used your definition of spam to humiliate you. Again--you were the only one changing the definition of spam. Still sting? It seems so. Maybe you could come up with an original thought for once.

;-)

I have to make your statements for you.

That has to be the single most honest thing I've ever heard you say, bOoB. An admission that you make up stuff.

Again, you overuse the word "again"

That has to be the single most honest thing I've ever heard you say, bOoB. An admission that you make up stuff.

Again, you overuse the word "again"

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-24 02:58 AM


Again--I knew you wouldn't answer. Again, I know you don't like it when I say "again", but you keep asking the same stupid questions, and making the same stupid statements again and again.

Again--try to stop hijacking other peoples threads. Your fixation with me is weird.

;-)

Alexandrite, her obsession has trumped her good reason way too many times. I think it must be a combination of exhaustion and Bill.

Your fixation with me is weird.

Chris,

I despise the Clintons. It does border on hate because of their lies, and what I feel is their elevation of identity politics to law. I think Bubba should have been removed from office.

They are both ruthless and sociopathic. Their legacy is a stain on the DNC.

I lean Libertarian but I often support the Dems. I get all their promotional email. I just sent emails telling them:

"Not one more dime or a minute of my time..."

If I contribute I work the campaign. Two full weeks for Claire McCaskill. Pledged for two other campaigns this fall, local rep and Governor, knocking on doors, running a crew.

I'm letting them all know where I stand.

bOoB: Have you ever tasted a dick as sweet as mine?

Again, I knew you wouldn't answer.

Again, yes, I really hate it when you say "again". Again, it just ruins my whole life. Again, I want to turn off the PC when I see you say "again". Again, please don't say "again" again.

Goatman

I must have missed your answer. Oh wait--you never make a stand--never make a statement. You just like to hijack threads.

;-)

I just sent emails telling them:

Early in their (not "her") campaign before they got Bill under control, I sent an email to her campaign telling them Bill was a big turn-off and steering me away. I have a feeling mine wasn't the only one they got like that.

I must have missed your answer.

I must've missed your's, too.

I have no idea if Bush accurately described his memories. I am not a mind reader. Unlike you, I do not presuppose what people are thinking. Unlike you, I rely on facts.

Again -- have you ever tasted a dick as sweet as mine?

I despise the Clintons. It does border on hate because of their lies, and what I feel is their elevation of identity politics to law. I think Bubba should have been removed from office.

They are both ruthless and sociopathic. Their legacy is a stain on the DNC.


Stop reading my mind, Ozark. It's not a pleasant place.





You're just so completely, moronically, magically stupid Corky. You swear it's a verbal gaffe which show's how much shit you have backed up inside you.

This was intentional, this was a grievous insult to Ted Kennedy for his support of Obama and shows just how little there is that Hillary won't do to get elected. You're just as bad.

Posted by Reagan58



you know, I thought it was unbelievable that Hillary would say that until I heard it myself - and now I'm SURE that it's unbelievable. The dumbing down of America continues. Hillary critics have ignorned the whole context of what she said because she said a "hot" word. (I am not a Hillary supporter). Granted, it was a dumb thing to say, but the context was so obviously one of "June" and not "assassination" that I'm embarassed for those who ACTUALLY think she was hinting that Obama may be killed as a reason for her to remain in the race. Of course, these rightards don't actually think she meant that, but they will spin her words for political gain. This willingness to believe something nearly incomprehensible in favor of something much more likley is how people like Bush get elected in the first place, and why McCain will likely win in the fall.

This may very well do her in, but it is sad testimony to the state of affairs in political discourse.



Friday night, Kennedy's son, Robert Kennedy, Jr., released a statement that said he understands the point Clinton was making and said it would be a mistake to be offended.

"I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard-fought through June," he said. "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Also Friday, the Clinton campaign released a statement from Randell Beck, the newspaper's executive editor, saying Clinton was answering a question about whether her continued campaigning threatens party unity so close to the Democratic convention.

"Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself," Beck said in the statement.

Actually, in a perverse way, this is a perfect set-up for the Republicans. They have someone physically take out Obama, Hillary then gets a good portion of the "blame" for even mentioning the idea of an "assassination" out there on the public airways so she has to drop out of the race and then BOTH Obama and Hillary would be out of the running.


Hmmm.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-24 02:20 AM


very astute & obvious once seen in its clarity!

& she will be rewarded for it will be shown she had nothing to do with the potential hit again...

Given the Israeli's discomfort with Obama, Hillary may turn out to be prescient.

Just wondering: Is Robert Kennedy Jr. a Clinton supporter or an Obama supporter?

Mossad's specially...




Who Killed JFK?
Filed under:JFK

May 28, 2003 - 19:02


Shortly before President John F. Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, Texas, he made certain statements, any one of which would align powerful antagonistic forces against him:
1) He would eliminate the CIA,

2) He would issue Treasury greenbacks (which don't pay interest) in lieu of financing government deficits through the Federal Reserve, and

3) He spoke against empowering the state of Israel with nuclear capability.

Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy
"...Conspiracy theories abound regarding the Kennedy assassination. However, a new well-written and documented book sites compelling evidence that the Israel's Mossad and David Ben Gurion were behind the assassination. The reason: Kennedy's disagreement with Ben Gurion's nuclear program...."

"...What the book does say is that: When New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison charged businessman Clay Shaw with participation in the JFK assassination conspiracy Garrison stumbled upon the Israeli Mossad connection to the murder of President Kennedy. Shaw served on the board of a shadowy corporation known as Permindex. A primary shareholder in Permindex was the Banque De Credit International of Geneva, founded by Tibor Rosenbaum, an arms procurer and financier for the Mossad..."


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business as usual:>)


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Just wondering: Is Robert Kennedy Jr. a Clinton supporter or an Obama supporter?

Posted by Gal_Tuesday


Clinton

Robert Kennedy's son, Robert Jr., has endorsed Clinton, and in a statement through her campaign, he said: "It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. . . . I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

www.washingtonpost.com

Today candidates for president have every syllable they utter analysed so much that I fear soon they will not ever speak at all. No halfway intelligent and fair person thinks Hillary was talking about anything except the timeline of the nomination process. Those who pretend that she had other motives are doing so for their own reasons that have nothing to do with honest understanding of what she said. The damn media though will play her words over and over again so many times and pretend that this was an important moment just because they like drama because it builds ratings. 24/7 news reporting is almost as bad as no news reporting.

As I mentioned last night, I heard some pundit say that Hillary has finally said in public what her campaign has been saying in private. If it comes out that they have been saying she needs to stay in the race to secure the nomination because some misfortune may befall Obama, then I think her meaing will be clear.

Clinton's vast baggage create the "confusions" & FDR's little quote adds the air to the sparks of confusion...

No halfway intelligent and fair person thinks Hillary was talking about anything except the timeline of the nomination process. Those who pretend that she had other motives are doing so for their own reasons that have nothing to do with honest understanding of what she said.

Call me less than halfway intelligent and fair then, Danni. I think Clinton unintentionally revealed what she and her campaign really think. For a while now pundits have been saying she was staying in the race in case something diasasterous happened to Obama. Examples cited usually included things like: another, more damning Wright tape will be found. What no one said but I now think some pundits, who had contact with the Clinton campaign, may have been thinking was something long this even more disasterous line. Maybe not. We'll see.

Nobel winner Lessing: Obama would be killed if elected


STOCKHOLM (AP) -- Nobel Prize winner Doris Lessing believes Barack Obama would be assassinated if he were elected U.S. president, the British writer said in a newspaper interview.
Asked whether she supported Hillary Clinton or Obama in the presidential race, Lessing told Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter "it doesn't matter," but suggested the two Democrats should join forces in the election.

"It would be best if they ran together. Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she wins and not Obama," Lessing was quoted as saying in comments translated into Swedish.

"He would probably not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would kill him," Lessing said in the interview published Saturday.

She did not specify who she believed would kill Obama.

www.usatoday.com

any noble prize winners in DR?

"any noble(sic) prize winners in DR?"

Posted by Bani



ROFL!

Moron.

And how many Nobel Prizes does Zat have?

He's too noble to have any in his moron pedegreed (sic:>)

"And how many Nobel Prizes does Zat have?"

Posted by Ray

Zero, but I can at least spell Alfred's name.

I did know a guy with two (guess who), and three guys with one, all in physics, one's still alive.

Oh wait. Four.

It gives meaning to my life to know that I can brag to my friends that I know a guy who knows four Nobel Prize winners.

who can still spell alfredbe noble, too, after an all niter:>)

Zatoichi! Are you going to tolerate the desecration of the good name of Noble twice?

Zat,

Brookhaven Lab was loaded with Nobel winners, but it was a particular matter of pride to get to shake the hand of Louis Leaky at a series of lectures in the winter of 65/66.

wish I could shake noble Jimmy Carter's hand...

Gal,

This was put in the thread earlier without attribution, but here's the link. She's already said this earlier in the year. This IS NOT a gaffe, mis-speak or anything else. This is an intentional ploy. A tactic if you will.

www.time-blog.com

The Levels of Wrong in Hillary Clinton's RFK Remark
Submitted by jmeasley on Sat, 05/24/2008 - 00:51. 2008 election Barack Obama Hillary Clinton

It may not have been the first time that she said it on the campaign trail, but Hillary Clinton's remark about staying in the race because Barack Obama could be assassinated like Robert F. Kennedy was in 1968 was wrong on many different levels.

In a meeting with editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader, Clinton was asked if she bought the argument of many people in the Democratic Party that she should get out of the race in the name of party unity. "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it. There's lots of speculation about why it is," Clinton answered.

The first level of wrong in Clinton's statement is her comparison with her husband. If I remember 1992 correctly, Bill Clinton was the delegate leader. He was not the person in second place who stayed in the race, even though he trailed in delegates and had no chance of catching up. Her comparison to 1992 is completely bogus.

The second level of wrong was bringing up the RFK assassination on the same week that Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer. At least Clinton apologized for that, "The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever."

The third, and most important, level of wrong is the idea that she needs to stay in the race in case somebody kills Barack Obama. Being that Obama is the first African-American presidential candidate to be poised to become the nominee from a major party, this is a very touchy subject. Clinton's remark was demeaning to the American people by saying in effect, that she better stand by, and be ready in case somebody takes a shot at the black guy. She is inferring her belief that America isn't ready for a black president. She should apologize to both Obama and the American people for thinking so little of both of them.

There are a lot of fair reasons that Hillary Clinton could have cited for staying in this race until the end. She could have said something like she feels that she owes it to the millions of people who voted for her to stay in the race until the end. She could have even said that sometimes things happen in long primary seasons so she wants to stick around until the Party has a nominee, but instead she chose to make a remark that revealed a great deal about the way she views the world.

The one element of Hillary Clinton that turned a lot of Democrats off was that she tends to view the political spectrum in negative terms. This is why she was never able to offer Democratic voters a message of hope.

Hillary Clinton is a tactical politician who along with her husband has always had success by running on negativity. The Bush/Cheney years have been negative to the extreme. Americans were ready for a positive message, but Hillary Clinton is hard wired to negative campaign, and this reason maybe more than any other is why Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.


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Sorry Buffalo Bob, but I couldn't disagree with you more. One could look at Hillary's statement in a vacuum and give her the benefit of the doubt, but her past comments destroy any such generosity. The primary calendar didn't start until March in 1968, so for her analogy to be relevant she would have had to conceded in April 2008, not June.

Yet again, she's been caught playing fast and loose with the facts while trying to further her own selfish ambitions as though this nation clamors for her unique brand of leadership and baldfaced lying. Her campaign has left unpaid debt all across America, and many of those "hard working white people" have to chase her down in order to be paid for the goods and services they've provided to a centa-millionaire and her husband, a former President. Anyone else with a modicum of humility would have suspended their campaign weeks ago at least until they could catch up with their bills instead of creating more debt which others have to carry for her campaign.

There is no place in politics, especially one week out from the 40th anniversary of one of the most traumatic, gut-wrenching, heartbreaking moments in American political history to calmly bring up the assassination of another Democratic presidential nominee who's entire message was built upon the hopes and dreams of a war-torn, divided America pulling itself back into greatness. Her use of this analogy was cold, it was calculated and again blew the dog whistle that maybe she should stick around because (wink-wink) we all know that many in America won't likely allow a black man to be President, just like they couldn't allow Bobby Kennedy to be elected to the office in 1968.

Its sick, its regrettable, its unjustifiable, and its part and parcel to the the monomaniacal nature of Hillary's belief she's owed the White House. It is exactly what its been since she invoked this flawed analogy months ago. So many lies and distortions have crossed her lips recently that until yesterday no one focussed on just how heinous and crass her use of this analogy was in the first place.

All Ms Hillary did is reiterate that "Nobody promised us tomorrow," indicating that there are too many unanticipated supervening variables that might affect the outcome of the race for her to concede defeat while her candidacy remains viable. Any candidate from either party might die (from natural causes, accidental trauma, or by a human hand). Scandals might be exposed that would disqualify a candidate because the delegates would perceive that candidate as unable to win the general election under the circumstances of his revealed cupidity.

There is always the prospect that there might be a catastrophic event such as the destruction of some OPEC assets, reducing the supply of oil, that would so severely compromise our survival that the candidacy of Obama would be rejected, and Ms Hillary would be viewed as "the white knight," who could rescue this nation.

There is no reason that this reminder of the uncertainties of our existence should negatively affect Ms Hillary's candidacy.

And she has hung tough. I would rebuke those who demand that she surrender her opportunity to contest the nomination.

Gal_Tuesday seems to make use of very few of her brain cells, but we can forgive her because she is a very forgiving person too ... Same with Olberman who is a creaming idiot who has the good luck to yell on TV every night. Something is really wrong with that guy, and he reminds me too much of Wright ... They would make a good team to help Obama rule the country.

I think that this race is one of the best things that happened to Americans in a long time.

This Democratic race gives everybody in the country a chance to vote and voice their opinion if they are inclined to do so, which is how the race should be run anyway in my opinion.

All these calls to end the race before all states and all people had a chance to vote are the product of small minds. The race also reveals the strength and weaknesses of the candidates and gives them an opportunity to deal with them now, rather than in November, and that is a really good thing. Regardless of who will be the nominee, and even if it is Sen. Obama, he has enough data to be able to craft a strategy for November; he or she can totally turn this around in their favor if they are smart enough to do so, which I think they are.

We have no idea what, exactly, Hillary Clinton was thinking when she referred to the assassination of Bobby Kennedy in explaining her decision to keep on campaigning when it looks like there is virtually no hope of her winning the Democratic nomination.
. . .
Instead, she issued one of those tedious non-apology apologies in which it sounds like the person who is being offended is somehow at fault: "I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive."

If?
. . .
What's next? "Mistakes were made"?
theboard.blogs.nytimes.com

Ah yes, Johnson, who would love to see the demise of the democrats thinks that Hillary's "Obama might get assassinated" justification for staying in the race is just fine. Case closed.

She's been waiting for Obama to implode. Instead, she just has.
Andrew Sullivan
"Paging Dr Freud"
andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

The "Obama lovers" seek to denigrate Ms Hillary by presenting Obama as an irresistible force in the national election. They do this by citing statistics regarding Obama's popularity, even now after many of his negatives have been disclosed to the public.

This attempt to secure concurrence and surrender to what is posed as "the inevitable" by suggesting there is an Obama bandwagon, should be evaluated and dismissed as a negative campaign tactic slickly introduced by "Obama lovers." It is a baseless assertion to coerce Ms Hillary to accept what they falsely and erroneously present as a predetermined course of events.

First, the sequence and nature of questions in the polls reflecting support for Obama are often arranged and contrived, so that a predetermined result is obtained. The "results" can be manipulated to provide "data" far different from that available through unbiased polling.

The other factor in polls reflecting support for Obama is that they consistently overstate his support. This may be attributable to the fact that those polled may be so intimidated by the various descriptions by "Obama lovers" of those opposed to him as being "unworthy" for not supporting him, that they just dissimulate, provide an answer that does not evoke negativity, and move on, rejecting him when they cast their secret ballot.

There is no script that preordains Obama despite the adorations he recieves from "Obama lovers." Why are they so fearful of Ms Hillary remaining in the race if they are so certain of the victory of their candidate? Why have they mounted this campaign to "knock her out" now, irritating and aggravating voters whose support they would need if Obama were the candidate, if Ms Hillary does not have a chance? They recognize that Obama may yet be knocked out of the box. So, they are attempting a preemptive strike to avert that occurrence. The Obama supporters are whistling as they walk by the graveyard, and it isn't even midnight. They are not quite as sure of the outcome as they indicate.

Sen. Obama is quite safe, maybe safer now than ever.

His supporters though, ...You always manage to bring him down a notch by revealing yourselves as very small minded.

This makes it even harder for Sen. Clinton supporters to come into the fold, and guarantees a loss for him. Stop it!

Sen. Obama is quite safe, maybe safer now than ever.

What secret knowledge do you have, changegirl.

I remember watching a video of Obama making an unexpected stop in a small town about a month ago. There was a guy harassing for a photograph. I was amazed at howe lax his protection was. People were walking right up to him. He seemed at great risk to me.

The fear of an assassination is not hysterical. And Hillary's referencing it is indeed AT LEAST very stupid. Deny it if you like.

"implode"

www.youtube.com

Changegirl...

Personally I could care less where you and other Clinton supporters do because if you are too weak to speak out against the racial and gender polarization that Hillary is using as the foundation of her campaign, we have little in common anyway.

Many of us saw that Hillary would attempt to tear apart the Democratic Party and the emerging coalition that would have ensured a Democratic majority for at least a few cycles, but we were assured that she wouldn't do it. But that is precisely what she and her surrogates have done repeatedly without much assistance from the Obama side. Obama is not defined by his supporters. His words speak for himself. But that doesn't mean the continual assaults on himself, his wife, his bi-racial background, his religion, his church, and nearly everything surrounding him by Clinton and her surrogates hasn't been the most single encouraging thing for the Republican Party since they decided to nominate a walking corpse.

History books will recount what we're living this year, and they won't be kind to base form of politics that Clinton dredged up from the 90s to re-infect the new millennium. Just like her continued re-parsing of inflammatory statements that belies her reputation as a masterful recounter of talking points, the cavalier way in which her supporters dismiss the criticism well deserved for such tone-deaf, hamhanded remarks is truly disgusting.

At this point, let McCain have the White House. I would give my dying breath to make sure that scum like the Clintons never have the chance to sully America with their vile brand of divisive filth ever again. The only thing worse than the politics they thrive on is the lack of ethics and conscious by those who blindly support the ignorance and prejudice they count on for their victories.

Democrats, particularly Obamaites, should adopt a motto, "Taboo is us."

They propose many limitations on speech and even having ideas, let alone expressing them. They vociferously denounce allusion to certain topics, manners of expression, and conduct. They attempt to proscribe them as contravening mores and folkways. But for some of our constitutional guarantees, they would be incorporated ito law.

These lefties are the epitome of authoritarianism. They are an oversensitived gang of wimps, who seek to promulgate and enforce their edicts as to what is right and proper.

They cannot present a rationale for their proposals, or describe any basis for others joining them in their efforts to suppress discussion in the public square.

What is so amazing is their complete lack of insight into their behavior. They have become the duplicates of those whom their forebears criticized for the tactics which they have since adopted. Remember the religious repression of materials. The Inquisition. The Nazis burning books. Banned in Boston. Now the Censors Librorium are none other than the leftists emulating the religious and Nazis, whose tactics they use now that they believe that they are in the ascendancy.

They suppress and repress, but they feel vindicated since what they suppress and repress "should be" supressed and repressed as any decent person such as they are, will inform you. Is that an echo, or is that an original proposition? It's an echo of declarations by others, who previously were self-appointed guardians of "the truth."

Morons, particularly Johnson, should adapt the slogan "I have verbal diarrhea and have no earthly clue what other people think because I'm so preoccupied with my own narcissism I can't see beyond my nose."

Nowhere has anyone said that anyone else doesn't have the right to say whatever they want to, the problem lies in saying things other find offensive because of "context" not because someone is trying to squelch their voices. Each example you recount was undertaken by tyrannical "RIGHTIES" trying to consolidate their power through the use of naked power, draconian actions and coercion, but never through simple verbal outrage.

If you think it proper to bring up assassination in the context of why one should remain in a presidential contest that is already lost, then stand up and say so. Trying to analogize things which have no earthly connection to your belabored point only further shows that your own disconnect with logic is as complete as your loathing for the very ideology that this nation was founded under and has thrived under since its inception. But as much as you have the right to pontificate your own delusions, that right is reserved by those you so openly loathe and despise, which puts you firmly in line with the perpetrators of the atrocities you listed above. Thanks for revealing your inner deviancy for the world to see. Your welcome.

You're welcome. My bad.

Johnson,

No one wants to suppress your right to say stupid shit. Just don't expect not to get called on it.

The irony of the offended Archie Bunkers is hillarious.

His words speak for himself.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-05-24 11:29 AM

Which words on which day? One day Iran is not a threat. Next day at a jewish community, lo and behold Iran is now a threat.

"They propose many limitations on speech and even having ideas, let alone expressing them."

That's a fine discourse and it could easily be applied to the Republicans. From things such as the McCain campaign chastising Obama for the "losing his bearings" comments to the right-wing christo-fascists attacks on ideas, civil rights and liberties because they do not align with their version of truth.

TR,
Spot on, flag.

She should take VP. Remember JFK in '63.

The smartest Democrat said WHAT? I mean the smartest woman in the world, by Democrat's standards.

These lefties are the epitome of authoritarianism. They are an oversensitived gang of wimps, who seek to promulgate and enforce their edicts as to what is right and proper.

They cannot present a rationale for their proposals, or describe any basis for others joining them in their efforts to suppress discussion in the public square.

What is so amazing is their complete lack of insight into their behavior.

Posted by Johnson


Johnson gets my vote as the dumb fuck of the day. He never questions his assumptions. Instead every time he calls for a bigger hammer. If it doesn't work, hit it harder. Still doesn't work. Get a bigger hammer; hit it harder. Every problem he sees is a nail.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-05-24 11:29 AM

I would give my dying breath to make sure that scum like the Clintons never have the chance to sully America with their vile brand of divisive filth ever again. The only thing worse than the politics they thrive on is the lack of ethics and conscious by those who blindly support the ignorance and prejudice they count on for their victories.

From the mind of a committed lefty.

You support a candidate who is affected by so many negatives that it is impossible to discuss his "qualification" without addressing them. And you then would limit discussion by suggesting that these topics are taboo ab initio, or are taboo because they have been resolved to your satisfaction. Hence they should never be raised again because they put your candidate in a bad light.

Let's begin with Obama's upbringing and the maddrassah where he was tutored during a young and impressionable age. He may have divested himself of such indoctrination - if it did or did not occur - but with the presidency at stake, it is a matter worth considering and not according it the peremptory dismissal you would.

Then there's his voluntary association and indoctrination in the beliefs of Rev. Wright of the black liberation theology, black separatism, black preference, hate-America, hate-white, hate-Jews "church." Has Obama "cleansed" himself of the odious connotations of this participation with a simple convenient manipulative dismissal of this phase of his life that lasted more than two decades? The hate-meister Rev. was his friend and "mentor." And this mentor was a friend and admirer of Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam during the period that Wright was Obama's guru.

The list is long and there is no need to reiterate all of the subjects that Obamaites propose as taboo. Now they even take offense at the suggestion that the man they adulate is not immortal. You folks have deified Obama, and aren't gods immortal by nature.

Without enumerating all of the many taboos that Obama supporters suggest may exist regarding various matters, which topics they demand not be addressed, let me advise you that Obama has not attained divine status, and instead seems be a denizen of the demimonde, druggie, agitator using racial divisiveness, bribe taker, associate of corrupt political manipulators, putative sexual orgiast, both hetero and homosexual, married to a DP
www.urbandictionary.com and possibly TP sexual orgiast, with Michelle also being a long-time, since college at least, loather of whites, and also a person not proud or appreciative of being an American.

While these attitudes and behavior are not illicit, many of us wonder regarding the propriety of such beliefs and conduct in a presidential candidate, and the suitability of a candidate for presidential office, who is ensnared in them. Or are they irrelevant? They may be for you. But for some of us, they are matters related to the outlook and stability of the candidate.

Morons, particularly Johnson, should adapt the slogan "I have verbal diarrhea and have no earthly clue what other people think because I'm so preoccupied with my own narcissism I can't see beyond my nose."
Posted by tonyroma


I think Tony is on to something. When Johnson criticizes others, he is projecting characterizations of himself.

Hillary says:

I don't see why people are asking me to quit since RFK was in until June when he was assassinated.

What people hear:

I'm staying in because Obama might be assassinated.

and stupid people believe that is what was in her heart

Kerry said:

Stupid college students end up in Iraq.

and stupid people believe that is what was in his heart.

Dean said:

YEEAAGHHH

And stupid people thought he was crazy

Obama goes to a half-assed Muslim school when he's six.

and stupid people think he's a Muslim

Bush says he saw the first plane hit the WTC

and stupid people think the POTUS can't remember what he was doing when he heard about the attacks on 911.

See where you fit in.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-05-24 12:01 PM

Each example you recount was undertaken by tyrannical "RIGHTIES" trying to consolidate their power through the use of naked power, draconian actions and coercion, but never through simple verbal outrage.

Come on now, Tony, do you dissemble?

What about the good President of Harvard, Dr. Summers, who was "lynched" by the faculty as a militant albeit "disturbed" (by nature) lesbian (who later committeed suicide) took offense at his suggestion that the reason for numerical disparity between sexes in the mathematics department might be attributable to matters other than prejudice. He suggested that male and female brains might just process information differently. This is substantiated by MRIs and other techniques used to observe the functioning of the brain as well as testing of results.

Verity was not at issue. The good faculty, open-minded receptive to information academe in action, chose to support his dismissal because of this incident and the need to comport themselves in accord with doctrinal demands.

The operation of the leftist gangsters are not as benign as you suggest. But you know that Tony, and it would have come to mind if it were not suppressed. True believers never allow contrary information to interdict responses commanded by their ideology.

"et me advise you that Obama has not attained divine status, and instead seems be a denizen of the demimonde, druggie, agitator using racial divisiveness, bribe taker, associate of corrupt political manipulators, putative sexual orgiast, both hetero and homosexual, married to a DP www.urbandictionary.com and possibly TP sexual orgiast, with Michelle also being a long-time, since college at least, loather of whites, and also a person not proud or appreciative of being an American."

This Johnson fucker is one imaginative McCarthyite. What an asshole.

Uh, count me in on number one only, Bob.

She justified her continued presence in the race by suggesting that strange things can happen late in the game. Like assassinations. What part are you choosing not to understand.

If not Bob, why wouldn't she just say the "62 the primary race was long and hard fought. Because it wasn't that's why. So maybe she was trying to use an historical reference that didn't fit, and in doing her tap dance around truth she stepped on a land mine.

This Johnson fucker is one imaginative McCarthyite. What an asshole.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-24 12:42 PM

Wow! No McBush post? Nothing?

Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-05-24 11:01 AM

Case closed.

Sorry tiger, the only "case closed" is your etui.

But no one will speak of the mind-controlled John McCain. The years he spent imprisoned in Vietnam, John McCain was subejected to the best brain-washing techniques of both the Red Chinese and the Soviets, due to the fact that his father was famous. Why did he enter politics in the first place? It was an implanted suggestion, put there by the Communists, in order for them to suceed where military power had failed them. Remember, the Communists have always said that they will destroy America from within. The day after John McCain becomes president, the programming will kick in and he will turn this country into a slave state of the Chinese Communists. Anyone that resists will either be gunned down in the streets by U.N. forces or put in concentration camps that have been constructed in the past decade for that express purpose. When you see Chinese tanks rolling down Main Street, be glad that you idiot Republicans voted for the TRUE Manchurian candidate.

Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-05-24 12:03 PM

Johnson,

No one wants to suppress your right to say stupid shit. Just don't expect not to get called on it.

Your percerptions are creations of your own mind rather than any objective reality, tiger.

The left finds what you designate as "stupid shit" as matters not without consequences. College hiring committees are quite discriminatory in hiring faculty who don't get with their program. I mentioned Dr. Summers of Harvard, who was ousted from office because he wasn't sufficiently PC in his public expression. Bite your tongue, Summers. The truth of his assertion was irrelevant.There is constant supression of thought and expression in the public square.
The irony of the offended Archie Bunkers is hillarious.

The left has a word now more in vogue than previously, "racism" as concluding discussion on any matter.

Now "racism" has many definitions and so is imprecise. Just what definition of racism is intended is not distinguished. Instead it is accorded an "oceanic" definition and the semantical apprehension among the left is that anything addressed as racism is "bad."

Is racism the observation that there are differences between and among races? Or is racism, discrimination based on those differences?

The perpetrators of racism nowadays are the leftists, who want to "compensate" blacks for their inability to meet normative community standards. They use this supposition in providing lower college admission standards, affirmative action in employment, and business setasides for blacks. What is the rationale for such "discrimination?

Does discrimination favoring individuals in one group result in reciprocal discrimination, harmful results for an individual not in the favored group? Discrimination "for" has as a reciprocal corollary, discrimination "against.

Another definition for racism is bigotry.

Are the remedies involved to purportedly offset the effects of negative discrimination, ipso facto bigotry against other individuals in the group?

It so happens that I want to treat people as individuals, tiger, something that advocates find offensive. And you are either blind or indifferent to the fact that the discrimination you invoke as a "remedy" to discrimination, is discrimination.

Oh well.

One reason many of you have stated that you support Obama is because he's black. Now, that's a nice attitude for people who vocally declare that they are opposed to discrimnination, to take. You folks think that it's expedient to suspend your opposition to discrimination? How quaint. And you folks claim that you're clearheaded. Well, that's how you see it.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-24 12:42 PM

This Johnson fucker is one imaginative McCarthyite. What an asshole.

Gosh, you would think that examination of the archives has not vindicated McCarthy, and that the term coined, "McCarthyism," does not better describe attacks against him that were used to discredit his allegations, which later proved true.

Johnson

Gosh, you would think that communism was against the law. McCarthy has not been vindicated, and his attackers are every American who understands the term "freedom"--which means you can be a commie if you want to be a commie, or a republican if you want to be a republican. McCarthy didn't understand what the word Freedom meant, and neither do you.

"One reason many of you have stated that you support Obama is because he's black."

Link?

Johnson,

Your repeated long winded condescending recitation of the tired old

"The perpetrators of racism nowadays are the leftists, who want to "compensate" blacks for their inability to meet normative community standards."

is so ignorant of historical perspective and devoid current awareness of the society in which we live that it leads me to believe that you must no longer be very active in society. Or you walk through your bitter little existence blaming the system for your inability to excel.

Pull yourself by your bootstraps man. You can do it. Despite the curse of being a white male in this very discriminatory society you can do it. Others have blazed a trail for you.

Apparently there is absolutely nothing Hillary could do or say that Clinton Cultists won't defend.

Posted by nullifidian at

Christ on a fuckin' cracker!
Apparently-there's NOTHING Hillary can say that WON'T be attacked.

I guess she should be used to it.
After all-these were the same "supporters" of her husband-who HELPED the rethuglicunts stab him in the back.
Your Clinton hatred is showing.
He beat you guys twice in a row-by a large enough margin for there to be no doubts that the elections were fair.
That's the only reason you hate him-and the only thing you hate about her.

Go fuck yourselves-and each other with that hatred.

What does PC run amok have to do with Barack Obama and what Hillary Clinton said yesterday?

Not a damn thing, but yet Johnson climbs Mt. Dumbass and again pontificates about that which he doesn't understand nor agree with. Obama educated in a madrassa? Yeah, thats the ticket. A preacher who served in the Marines blasts the inequities of American society which calls on ALL its citizens to sacrifice for this nation's security, yet still treats some citizens better than others but its PC's fault that inequities exist? Wright said nothing that conservative commentators have been saying for decades about blacks taking control of their own destinies instead of waiting for the guilty white guys to hand them something. Now the ignorant call it "anti-white". Since when does self-respect and self-analysis become tainted by race? When those doing it aren't "thanking the (white) gods" that their ancestors were "lucky enough" to be brought in chains to this great land and made to become property of white people trying to build a new nation from the ground up, ala Buchanon. Yeah, and Barack graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School because they dumbed down the curriculum so that a half-black from a broken home could be elected Editor of the Law Review.

Its the ignorance spewed by myopic lizards like Johnson that sets this nation's progress on "stall" because any deviation from constant blame-shifting is counterproductive to the narrative where the haves continual and perpetually grant favors and advancement to their own kind while denigrating those seeking to earn entrance into their ranks by doing all the virtuous things they believe themselves masters of. The game has always been rigged and those like Johnson know it. Sure the masters let some proceed without consequence, but many doors still remain firmly closed to others that don't fit the image or refuse to pray at the altar of excess the way so many do without thought or recognition of what they do, and the simple factual realization that by taking too much means that many will have to subsist on so much less because resources aren't infinite. But it seems ignorance and pompousness have no bounds.

Hilzoy writes:

People are writing about [Clinton] as though she were a bomb that needed to be expertly defused, as opposed to a person who can govern her own life, and is responsible for her own choices.

I am aware that it must be hard to face the fact that you've lost. But it became clear that she was not going to win the nomination months ago -- I would say after Wisconsin, but certainly after Texas. Moreover, this is not unprecedented. People lose the nomination every four years. Most of the time, they do not stay on until it is mathematically impossible for them to win; they leave when it has become clear that they will not win. They do not complain about disenfranchising all the states with later primaries, they do not threaten to keep their supporters home, and they certainly do not threaten "open civil war" if they don't get nominated for Vice President. On those rare occasions when some candidate does this in the absence of some truly monumental issue, we normally think that that candidate is a narcissistic and unprincipled person who has just shown why s/he should never, ever be President.

There is absolutely no reason not to apply these same standards to Hillary Clinton.

Right now, instead of floating demands in the press and comparing herself to abolitionists and suffragists, she could be telling her supporters that she lost fair and square; that while there was a lot of sexism in the campaign, there was racism as well, and that sexism does not explain why a candidate with literally every institutional advantage over her opponent lost the nomination. She could be reaching out to the voters who supported her in places where Obama has had trouble, and urging them to vote for him. She could, in a word, be doing the right thing: trying to earn that respect she seems to want.

Instead, she's throwing tantrums, making demands that she has no right to make, and threatening civil war.

I can't imagine a better demonstration of why she should not be President or Vice President. Nor can I imagine a better demonstration of why some of us who are committed feminists are not happy with her as our standard-bearer. She lost. It happens. If she were an adult or a professional, she would deal with it. Apparently, she is neither.


andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com


Spot on.

"Your Clinton hatred is showing.
He beat you guys twice in a row-by a large enough margin for there to be no doubts that the elections were fair.
That's the only reason you hate him-and the only thing you hate about her.

Go fuck yourselves-and each other with that hatred.

Posted by frankf55"


Who is "you guys"? If you think I'm a Republican you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

"Its the ignorance spewed by myopic lizards like Johnson that sets this nation's progress on "stall"..."

If what you're calling "progress" is bigger government, higher taxes, surrendering to our enemies, amnesty for illegals, bowing to the UN, and the like...thank God for "myopic lizards like Johnson."

Maybe you could shorten up those angry posts just a little...ya' think? If you just said something like, "Obama is the new Messiah," "Hillary sucks,"
"Anyone not voting for Obama is a stinkin' racist,"...we'd get the idea. We ain't votin' for him regardless of what you say, so save a little wear and tear on your keyboard.

Tonyroma and all of you enjoying this, I would like to see something other than an online post in which the poster says that he doesn't have a transcript of the discussion, a tangible proof that the Clinton campaign declared "open civil war" or is threatening one. Until then, you, the poster, and every other hater here stop speculating.

It seems more and more that you guys are absolutely impossible to talk to, and looking at your ranting, you are shaming your candidate, which seems more and more unpleasant to people who would like to understand you and him.

But some Clinton camp insiders and close friends are actively floating three scenarios that they believe will influence whether or how the two teams merge.

The first scenario is if Obama ignores Clinton and her supporters and makes the vice presidential offer to someone else.

One insider said, "This would be a total dismissal of her and totally unacceptable."

"This could mean open civil war within the party," another said. "A rupture in the party. If he doesn't offer at all, you've got a breakdown. A real resentment there."

www.cnn.com

OzarkAggie

Saw your post from last night answering my question/
...
letting them all know where I stand.

Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-05-24 03:04 AM


Thanks. Was just starting to respond back last night when the DR gerbil must have fainted and this blog went off line (again!)for more than an hour so I just wrapped it up for the evening. It's good you get out and do volunteer work. At least you put some muscle behind your mouth by physically going out and working for any political campaign you think is worthwhile. Kudos to you.

It seems more and more that you guys are absolutely impossible to talk to,

LOL! Shall we go get your past history...AGAIN?


Clinton went an spoke from her knowledge of the inside mind. Now, this outrage is not something that should be taken lightly, this outrage should be taken to a point that hillary is thrown out on her arse.

In fact, with this suggestion of assasination it should be taken as a threat, treated as a threat, and with such, hillary should be arrested like any american would now a days, flown to gitmo and the information should be forced out of her. Which mafia and corporate leaders are going to try an assasinate.

"LOL! Shall we go get your past history...AGAIN?"

I just put a few classic examples of her hypocrisy over on her "Question for Senator Obama Supporters" thread.

Again, I would like to see an official position not speculation, even if it is on CNN. I don't trust these guys at all.

The media did a very good job of lighting a fire of discord between Sen. Obama and Clinton, and is happily fanning the flames. If the two sides fight and can't reach an understanding, McCain will do better than expected, which is their goal.

Moneywar, you are funny, in fact so funny that I can't stop laughing ... NOT.

You realize that you sound mad, don't you?

Knowing Money, I think he is serious.


Hillary's chance at winning the nomination ended months ago. So with a media willing to keep the soap opera alive she proceeded to intentionally divide the dems.

Changegirl, we'll make nice soon enough. But give us a day or two. You just stopped spitting on us.

There can be no reason for Hillary still to be hanging around making a nuisance of herself than to hope that Obama will make some monumental error that will destroy his candidacy.

Saying something stupid and tasteless that destroys people's confidence in him to be president, for instance.

Like, I don't know, maybe just a few days after Ted Kennedy's serious cancer condition was made public alluding to his brother's assassination with Hillary the implicit target. You know, something dumb like that which in Hillary's increasingly delusional world will have the balloons dropping for her in Denver and not for him.

New Hillary Poster
Bound to be a collector's item. Available exclusively from the Hillary Store ($40):

www.hillarystore.com

Posted by Bani


Perfect....if she were running for president of...Japan!

Olberman's "comments" (read absolute rant) is now on youtube. It is riveting video.

uk.youtube.com

The words are strong when you see them on the screen, watching them being spoken is as I said riveting (that could be two t's, so sue me :))

Nullifidian, you need more ice in your Kool Aid. You definately have the talking points down.

In our republic, regardless of whether one party has control of the the White House and Congress, I don't think the things you claim Obama will do could ever happen. This was the case in the Bush adminstration when the Republicans had control of both. Regardless of what the far right and left fringes say or think, most American's are either just left or right of center. For God's sake, let's have some civility and get some of our problems solved. I'm a Obama supporter--but if John McCain wins, he's my President and I wish him well.

"I don't think the things you claim Obama will do could ever happen."

What are you talking about? I haven't said anything about Obama's policies on this thread.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-24 02:12 PM

Gosh, you would think that communism was against the law. McCarthy has not been vindicated, and his attackers are every American who understands the term "freedom"--which means you can be a commie if you want to be a commie, or a republican if you want to be a republican. McCarthy didn't understand what the word Freedom meant, and neither do you.

Gosh BB, the State Deaprtment was infiltrated and the communist operatives there, who denied their affiliation, and signed false oaths, undertook to implement policies detrimental to the U.S.

It was the subversion that was denied that was at issue, Bob.

What does denial of freedom have to do with it, Bob?

Do you understand what "freedom" means, Bob? It's a relative concept varying from time to time, and from place to place, depending upon circumstances. It's not absolute.

McCarthy: 'George C. Marshall is a communist!' (PP)

Egads. Only the extreme right still believes such nonsense.

In the early months of 1954, McCarthy, who had already lost the support of much of his party because of his bullying tactics, finally overreached himself when he took on the U.S. Army. Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower pushed for an investigation of McCarthy's conduct, and the televised hearings exposed the senator as a reckless and excessive tyrant who never produced proper documentation for any of his charges.

www.history.com

www.reason.com

Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-05-24 02:48 PM

Your repeated long winded condescending recitation of the tired old

"The perpetrators of racism nowadays are the leftists, who want to "compensate" blacks for their inability to meet normative community standards."

is so ignorant of historical perspective and devoid current awareness of the society in which we live that it leads me to believe that you must no longer be very active in society. Or you walk through your bitter little existence blaming the system for your inability to excel.


When does history end, tiger? And when do we deal with current events? Other groups without even the ability to speak English, have improved their situations in far less time. The premise that it is the fault of the society that people don't take advantage of opportunity leaves me unimpressed. An alternative to assigning the failure to function at par is to investigate whether this inability to function is attributable to lack of native ability. Forfend the thought.

Of course, "affirmative action" as it's euphemistically called, is a political ploy to secure votes, and also a social strategy to insure that the leadership of the underperforming group is quieted by special privileges accorded them so that they are less restive. It's a tried and proven technique. We used to promote the union organizers and activists to supervisorial or low level administrative positions, and thus destroyed the union's ability to function. It was by far, the cheapest alternative. They sold out.

The process occurs in other countries such as India and the Philippines, and others, where special concessions are made.

When have sufficient opportunities been made available? How many generations are required. Even children of privilege in the black community, M.D.'s children, do not perform up to par. I'm willing to consider a permanent crutch for certain groups to keep them from being restive as are the natives in India, who are in the news today howrah.org in their rioting to enforce their demand for special privilege. Why maintain the farce and pretend that it is a program designed to enable people to overcome wrongs and debilities from long ago rather than a social policy to incorporate the less abled as participants in the general population.

Pull yourself by your bootstraps man. You can do it. Despite the curse of being a white male in this very discriminatory society you can do it. Others have blazed a trail for you.

Fortunately, tiger, I've not found myself among the marginalized people personally affected by differentiated treatment preferring a person on the basis of group identity.

It is as a believer in truth, justice, and the American Way that I oppose discrimination on the basis of group identity, which resolves itself into discrimination against individuals.

We are degenerating into a balkanized nation, and are contrary to our heritage, dealing with groups instead of individuals. But that seems to be okay with many of you, who snidely denigrate lower class whites.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-05-24 03:09 PM

Right tony, Rev. Wright, the friend and presenter of awards to Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, is merely disseminating his idea of sweetness and light and not hatred. Timothy McVeigh was also a serviceman, but that does not exonerate a person from his dubious views of reality and of this nation.

Yes, blacks should participate in society if the inherent capabilities are available in the group. But that is as individuals, the American Way, and not as separated group members with an agenda different from that of Americans.

Taking control of your destiny does not necessarily entail denunciation of this country, and building a personal fortune purveying a sense of victimization and hatred for whites, as Wright has.

Blacks ancestors were brought here in chains many moons ago. They have been free almost 170 years, and have been accorded full rights for some 60 years, three generations. Blacks living here live in much better circumstances and have much better prospects than those living in Africa. Take note of the events in Rep. of Congo, Zaire, Dufar, Rwanda, Zimbabwe. South Africa, to name but a few.

I didn't assert that the curriculum was "dumbed down" for Obama. That suggestion originated with you. I do note that he has selected a woman whose records show an anti-white bias, and that he himself has been engaged in street agitation fomenting racial antagonism. He has also affiliated himself with haters, whose identities I shall not now recite here again.

I've never even suggested that blacks do not run the spectrum of intelligence. There are just not as many proportionately at higher levels of intelligence. It's unfortunate. Is it due to repression that many black kids do not want to "act white," and learn something, but prefer in their jargon to "be black" and eschew education? Or is it a defensive mechanism to belittle that which they cannot accomplish. That would be understandable.

The game has not always been rigged, tony. You recite a memorized cant and cannot discern reality because of the distorting prism of your ideology. Blame is shifted when circumstances merit it.

You seem to want to deprive black people of the autonomy of being responsible for their own failures and lack of achievement., and for the achievements that many of them have demonstrated are available to them, such as the founder of RJR and the Black TV network. There are also many blacks in other fields, who have performed exceptionally well. That fact gainsays your declaration that they are kept down.

Oh well, you ideologues have your story and refuse to alter it so that it conforms to the reality. You even refuse to ask questions and investigate as that threatens your premises. Hence the attempt to use PC taboos to suppress inquiry.

WOW! The urine stench from all this pants-pissing will never come out of the thread!


"The Argus Leader's Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.""

RFK Jr. Says No One Should Be Offended
May 23, 2008 10:23 PM

This evening Robert Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., cautioned folks not to be offended at Clinton's mention of his father's assassination when discussing why she was staying in the race and how there was precedent for the primaries lasting until June.

In a statement, Kennedy Jr. said: "It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

blogs.abcnews.com

"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make, and I think that is what happened here," he said in an interview with Radio ISLA. "Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it, and I will take her at her word on that." -Big 0

blog.washingtonpost.com

Seriously ladies, there are 2 week old puppies with better bladder control.

Seriously ladies...

Obviously addressing Clinton supporters.

better bladder control.

Let them Kegel.

"Gosh BB, the State Deaprtment was infiltrated and the communist operatives there, who denied their affiliation, and signed false oaths, undertook to implement policies detrimental to the U.S."

SO? Spying has always been illegal. How about ruining lives of actors and people who had no political affiliation?

"It was the subversion that was denied that was at issue, Bob."

Really--those screenwriters were a real threat weren't they. Ever read a book?

"What does denial of freedom have to do with it, Bob?"

Um--it's what our country is based on--human freedom.

"Do you understand what "freedom" means, Bob? It's a relative concept varying from time to time, and from place to place, depending upon circumstances. It's not absolute."

Freedom never changes its value. Only poor men with poor minds can't understand it--men like you.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-24 08:44 PM

Your posts are too long and your thought process too weak for anyone to read. I've read a couple of them--mostly twisted logic from the right. Good vocabulary--weak mind--much like Rush. Worthless.

Seriously ladies, there are 2 week old puppies with better bladder control.

You should know, especially since you've let one piss down your leg for nearly a year and convince you that its raining.....

Your posts are too long and your thought process too weak for anyone to read. I've read a couple of them--mostly twisted logic from the right. Good vocabulary--weak mind--much like Rush. Worthless.

On that we can agree BB.



I never let a candiate lie to me for a year about his health care plan, then asked him to lie to me some more.

The news editors, Bobby Jr, and even Big 0 think you all are full of shit, and you are.

And the grand prize winner of the best self retorting retort this week is:

Your posts are too long and your thought process too weak for anyone to read.

bUfFy bOoB

On that we can agree BB.

Make that at least 3 in agreement. I rarely read Johnson's posts. Bob summed him up quite well.

Lets See 3 Others Went To June Why Mention RFK ?

Lets See She Stated :"Anything Could Happen"

(Like What, He Being Murdered Like RFK And Clear The Way For Her ?)

Lets See She Is Behind In Every Possible Way

1. States Won

2. Delagates

3. Peldged Delagates

4. Popular Vote

5. Money

How Do You Expect Her The Run The Nation When She Can't Even Keep Her Own Funds In Line ?

So She States I'm Going To Take This An Keep Going And You Know Anyhing Can Happen RFK Went On Till June. So She Picked RFK When 2 Others Went On Till June,WHY ?

You Can Be As Objective As You Want To But The Anything Could Happen With The RFK Refrence.

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge at 2008-05-24 01:10 AM | Reply | Flag:


The Conspiracy Theory shit is tiring.

They propose many limitations on speech and even having ideas, let alone expressing them. They vociferously denounce allusion to certain topics, manners of expression, and conduct. They attempt to proscribe them as contravening mores and folkways. But for some of our constitutional guarantees, they would be incorporated ito law.

These lefties are the epitome of authoritarianism. They are an oversensitived gang of wimps, who seek to promulgate and enforce their edicts as to what is right and proper.

They cannot present a rationale for their proposals, or describe any basis for others joining them in their efforts to suppress discussion in the public square.

What is so amazing is their complete lack of insight into their behavior. They have become the duplicates of those whom their forebears criticized for the tactics which they have since adopted. Remember the religious repression of materials. The Inquisition. The Nazis burning books. Banned in Boston. Now the Censors Librorium are none other than the leftists emulating the religious and Nazis, whose tactics they use now that they believe that they are in the ascendancy.

They suppress and repress, but they feel vindicated since what they suppress and repress "should be" supressed and repressed as any decent person such as they are, will inform you. Is that an echo, or is that an original proposition? It's an echo of declarations by others, who previously were self-appointed guardians of "the truth."

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-24 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:



YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN.

your dribble is better than any sleeping pill.



YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAWN,

Doesn't matter what her supporters say CorkScrew. The Kennedy's can forgive her, but now all of her lies and misrepresentations are laid bare. She's toxic and won't get the VP much less the presidential nomination. She might even face a primary challenge in New York in 2010.

For too long the Dems have forgiven the peccadilloes of the Clintons. Perjury wasn't enough to remove Bubba from office, and arguably Gore was saddled with the stain. Bush took full advantage of that and we now have a country in crisis.

I opposed Clinton from the start because of her embrace of identity politics, and her presumption that she had the experience to be CiC. She's done all that she could to undermine Obama, and now she's undermined her own candidacy.

Good riddance.

I never let a candiate lie to me for a year about his health care plan, then asked him to lie to me some more.

But you let a candidate lie about her experiences in Bosnia, and lie about experience she doesn't have, and lie about being an advocate for the working classes as she accepts money from children selling their own bicycles while she and her husband are worth millions yet leave numerous Americans holding worthless IOU's that they can't get paid for.

She panders for a gas tax holiday that will only increase consumption at a time we need to decrease our use of oil, and she invokes the ficklest faction of the party in favor of its most loyal voting bloc, the same bloc which Bill proudly wore the crown of being named the "first black President."

You've stood idly by while Hillary has used the same tactics as Rove, which I told you she would before she'd pulled them from her quiver. But you're no dupe, no sir. You're just what you loathed before this election cycle started and the very thing which has drawn you the scorn of many fellow posters. You've become blinded by false loyalty to a person, not an ideal, not a principle, but a person. I don't worship Obama, but I, like a MAJORITY of voters in Democratic primaries and caucuses, feel he's the one we want to face the GOP in November. Why can't you honor our votes and decisions without making specious argument after specious argument to the contrary? Do you really think the Party would have allowed Obama to run the campaign that Hillary has? There's no way in hell!

Obama has earned everything he's received. The same can't be said about Hillary. Her name recognition, her fundraising superiority, her entire political machine was supposed to be unbeatable. And where is she now? Looking like a pathetic victim of her own arrogance because the American voters have chosen Barack Obama over the continuation of the Clinton/Bush dynasty. Sucks to be you because the Party is far more important than Hillary and you. If the Superdelegates don't end this this week, there will be hell to pay for allowing such chaos in the face of an already decided race. Everything is a conspiracy against poor Hillary except for all the things she's said and done which repel decent people like OFF repels mosquitoes.

Tony Roma

Keep attacking Hillary--she is the enemy. Even after McCain wins in November--keep up the attacks on Hillary. Even after she's dead and buried--keep up the attacks--death hasn't stopped the attacks on JFK, and Hillary deserves all the attacks you can give. Forget that she isn't the dem nominee--forget that she has no chance at being the nominee--keep up the attacks--let McCain have a pass. You've convinced me. McCain 08!

Gosh--how could she even think about being President after she threatened to assassinate Obama. Well maybe she didn't threaten to kill him--I think she said she hoped he was assassinated--that was it wasn't it--or maybe she just said she was praying he got assassinated. Oh well--what difference does it make. Back to your hate fest for dems.

Posted by Jomama at 2008-05-24 01:28 PM

FF for JO--


Johnson --your post at at 5:08 was spot on.

You raise a valid point(s) about the polls and trying to do a preemptive strike by getting rid of the competition.

Wait until more shoes drop off the Obama feet. The Dem Party will have a meltdown.

It will be buyer's remorse and not a damn thing can be done about it--because the MSM, blacks and liberal elites are stuck with their candidate.

Then they will call the country racists for not voting for B. Hussein Obama for POTUS.

Get ready for that onslaught--it won't be pretty.

Murphy

Did I mention that Rev Wright's book comes out in October?

Is that what would be referred to as a surprise?

I am sure--that the Rev Wright will not dissappoint and be the "righteous" man he has shown us all.



Murphy

Did I mention that Rev Wright's book comes out in October? Murphy

Ad nauseum
, but I'm sure you'll continue to remind us, not only of the book but your intolerance as well.

I'm much more concerned with Clinton's Bible study group that clearly follows the Calvinist Doctrine espoused by Doug Coe.

And if McCain had to release his service records including the medical determination of disability I'm sure we'd find substance for a diagnosis of severe PTSD.

Every candidate is flawed, and they all have their spin. If your criterion is the lesser of evils then you'll be pulling the lever for Obama. But I'm pretty sure you'll vote McCain.

"B. Hussein Obama"

It's always easier pointing out the bigots when they volunteer themselves.

Best read I've seen yet on Hillary's lost campaign after $120 million spent (& $20 million in debt!)


no favours
By Camille Paglia
Last Updated: 12:01pm BST 24/05/2008



When the dust settles over the 2008 election, will Hillary Clinton have helped or hindered women's advance toward the US presidency?


Has Clinton hindered women's advance towards the presidency?
Right now, Hillary is in Godzilla mode, refusing to accept Barack Obama's looming nomination and threatening to tie the Democratic party in legal knots until the August convention and beyond


www.telegraph.co.uk

Those who think she will withdraw gracefully in a few weeks are living in cloud cuckoo land. The Clintons are ruthless scrappers who will lock their bulldog teeth in any bloody towel.

In her raw ambition and stubborn, grinding energy, Hillary will certainly cast a long shadow on young women aspiring to high office. She is both inspiring role model and cringe-making bad example -- an overtly feminist careerist who never found a way to succeed without her husband's connections, advice, and intervention.

Bill Clinton may have masterminded Hillary's runs for the Senate and for the Democratic nomination, but he has been a gross liability in recent months, as he has co-opted the hustings to maunder on about himself or to inject divisive racial overtones into the debate.

The next major female presidential candidate will be well advised to stuff any errant husband into a rucksack and chuck him down a laundry chute. If they are to be truly equal, women must fight their own fights and not rely on a borrowed spotlight.

advertisementHillary has tried to have it both ways: to batten on her husband's nostalgic popularity while simultaneously claiming to be a victim of sexism


cont...

Johnson gets my vote as the dumb fuck of the day. He never questions his assumptions. Instead every time he calls for a bigger hammer. If it doesn't work, hit it harder. Still doesn't work. Get a bigger hammer; hit it harder. Every problem he sees is a nail.

Posted by Ray


FF

Yeah, and Barack graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School because they dumbed down the curriculum so that a half-black from a broken home could be elected Editor of the Law Review.


Tony Roma


I knew it!

Well maybe she didn't threaten to kill him--I think she said she hoped he was assassinated--that was it wasn't it--or maybe she just said she was praying he got assassinated. Oh well--what difference does it make.

BB

she won't be President this time around or possibly ever? Maybe we will eventually get someone much worst than Hillary ~ probably~ but for right now it won't be Hillary this November ~ unless....:>)

Bani

There is no chance for Hillary this November, so I suggest we waste as much time as possible bashing her. It should be most beneficial to slander her with lies like she wants Obama assassinated. Then when we are done with her, we should attack Kerry--he hasn't got a chance this November either, and Gore is a big target too.

With dems like you--who needs republicans.

With dems like you--who needs republicans.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


nasty, nasty & I'm a Dr. Ron Paul fan & Dad grew with Bob Dole. At the moment ~ Nader & Paul are better than the neo-cons/lebs running in my opinion ~ I see Obama becoming Prez if an "accident" doesn't occur:>)

Ron is on record for saying he likes Obama's foreign policy...& Gops are visiting my home town for the convention this summer.

FDR words still echo today in regards to Hillary's recent choice of words on the eve of her losing race (& in view of the Clinton body bags dossary:>)


"In politics, there are no accidents. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way".



Best book on FDR's WW2 I ever read was:


This new book claims that Martin Bormann, Hitler's private secretary and Nazi Party Chancellor, not only survived the final collapse of the Nazi era at the Fhrerbunker in Berlin in May 1945, but in fact went on to live with a new identity -until as late as 1989- not in Buenos Aires as the 1960's quip assured ('Martin Bormann is alive and well and living in Argentina'), but as a respectable gentleman living in England after being smuggled out of Berlin by a British commando team specially picked to do the job by Winston Churchill in person.

Incredible as it may sound such is the gist of the non-fiction book 'OpJB. The Last great secret of the Second World War' by Christopher Creighton, (Pocket Books, London, 1997), a fascinating tale which the publishers preface by saying that 'the following account is one of the most extraordinary stories to emerge from the Second World War' and is issued 'under assurances by the author that the story is true' adding that they have not been able to 'verify his acount by independent research'. 'Indeed the documentary trial is often at odds with the author's narrative. In secret intelligence work it is very difficult to come up with absolute proof and in May 1945 Berlin was the end of the world. According to Creighton, evidence went missing and in the fog of war files were adjusted by those with a hidden motive. Creighton further describes how records were compromised in order to create a legend that served a darker purpose. In the end, readers will have to make their own judgements about what they believe. What is not in doubt is that this book is a thrilling story from a remarkable man', as the publishers admit quite candidly.

What makes 'OpJB' such a unique book to read is the magnitude of the new gist it casts on events which have been extensively scrutinized by others authors. Starting from the name 'OpJB' which stands for Operation James Bond, a name which today is inextricable linked to a certain fictional British secret agent known as 007. Such a coincidence of names is by no means accidental and stems from the fact that the man who went on to become the author of the highly succesful 007 series, Ian Fleming, was in real life a Royal Navy intelligence officer during World War II, and is also a leading figure in this extraordinary non-fictional tale.


www.raoulwallenberg.net

Ron paul is an idiot. So are you. McCain will be President.

3% Ron Paul voters.

27% Bush fans.

Can you take a hint?

Can you take a hint?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Now you are being boorish...

No way can McBush be President...even Premier/Diebold won't be able to help him this time.

:>)

do your own math above ~ sweetie:>)

No way can McBush be President...even Premier/Diebold won't be able to help him this time.

:>)

Posted by Bani at 2008-05-25 03:03 AM | Reply


The states that gave Obama the nomination are red states--states he won't carry in November.

www.electoral-vote.com

It doesn't look like a lock to me.

so maybe Hillary & Billy should be good sports & help out?

but what's in it for them ~ as always...love of country first is in some of Presidential candidates minds ~ I've noticed over the years ~ Jimmy Carter now for sure:>)


so maybe Hillary & Billy should be good sports & help out?

Posted by Bani at 2008-05-25 03:13 AM | Reply


Hillary has a contract out on Obama for assassination--haven't you seen the news? Obama is a Muslim who was raped and brainwashed by his preacher. What makes you think he has a chance against a war hero like McCain?

Hillary has a contract out on Obama for assassination--haven't you seen the news? Obama is a Muslim who was raped and brainwashed by his preacher. What makes you think he has a chance against a war hero like McCain?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


she could rescind the contract(s:>) & say some sincerely nice at Wright's church about Obama today then!

What do you think?

of course that would be called vp pandering, but what the heck ~ all politicians have been called much worst:>)

What I can't figure out is how the politicians keep track of all their lies....

February 5, 2008


"A public research website: http://www.cain2008.org has brought together diverse historical elements of factual proof that Senator John McCain's was the key "point man" introducing, enacting and enforcing law that removed Dineh-Navajo Families from their reservation on the Black Mesa in Arizona."


www.rys2sense.com

Some Obama lies therein? lol rense doesn't care for Obama either.


Obama 'First Family' Photos?

www.rense.com

I think that anyone who tries to associate these comments other than the context of the elongated running time of primaries is probably of the same mindset and ignorance of all of the great followers of the Dubya regime....wanking for their man Obama..!!!! and, for those who are pursuing the aggressive cause of getting this 'bobblehead' in office, they must only look at the idiots who elected the other 'bobblehead' to get a true mirror reflection of themselves....

Tonyrama says "At this point, let McCain have the White House. I would give my dying breath to make sure that scum like the Clintons never have the chance to sully America with their vile brand of divisive filth ever again."

To Tonyrama and all the loud filth mouths here:

You must have eaten a whole bowl, no a whole kitchen of hatred food and Kool-aid mixed with vitriol and you are regurgitating. You are going to choke on your hatred and good luck with that! One has to wonder though, what exactly have the Clinton's done TO YOU to earn such vitriol?

TonyRoma....just what is it that Obama has really earned.....is that not the question with this 'bobblehead'.... just another smiling Dubya with no foundation, but lots of pretty bullshit..!!

A public research website: http://www.cain2008.org has brought together diverse historical elements of factual proof that Senator John McCain's was the key "point man" introducing, enacting and enforcing law that removed Dineh-Navajo Families from their reservation on the Black Mesa in Arizona."

www.rys2sense.com

Posted by Bani at 2008-05-25 03:30 AM | Reply

No problem. I heard the Indians wanted to assassinate Obama. McCain '08

I would vote for baghdadbob mccain if hillary was chosen, in fact I would violate my 25 year standing and donate money and volunteer for the republican.

hillaryassasin is something to remember, coruption, thieving, lying, stealin, and just plain poor political government examples for our young.

I have to laugh though, changegirl trolling and tripe contributions is nothing short of nicEviLle type of posting, with rex mixed in. It has to get tiring.

There is one thing that right wing extremists have in common, and that is the bottomless undying capacity to hate ...

Tonyrama , Moneywar, etc,, ... looking at your words, I have a hard time understanding which side you are on ... you are clearly not democratic ...

Moneywar

Why should Hillary get out of the campaign when RFK was campaigning until June when he was assassinated?

Can you answer?

;-)

what exactly have the Clinton's done TO YOU to earn such vitriol?

Let's see...they are liars.

And they are...uh, LIARS.

You keep asking and we keep telling you Chump Change.

They are sociopathic liars.

Besides, now The b00b p'Troll is in their corner and that's enough to go in the opposite direction.

BB,

For what purpose would I try and answer, you neither care or have the honest, open, willing mind to discuss the issue.

Throwing out corky-ish blindsided political crap and what is humorous about it, we all get the feeling you know it is crap but continue to push such hackery.

hillaryassasine is done, and at this point could careless about her. If hillary wants to spend other peoples money at a losing enterprise then so be it, but it clearly indicates what type of president she would be, throw our money at losing causes.

moneywar sure has a hard time covering up that Dubya soul...

Moneywar

I agree--fuck Hillary and all her supporters. Obama doesn't need them. He's WAY ahead in the polls for November. See:

www.electoral-vote.com

But why can't you answer the question?

Why should Hillary drop out when RFK was campaigning in June when he was assassinated? That's the question Hillary asked, and I haven't seen the answer yet.

ozarkaggie....are you and tonyroma a couple???

ChangeGirl says: The Obamoron convention is in full swing ...

I omitted the last part: they belong to the Divisive Party of the People Haters who are pro Obama the Redeemer Party ...

And, by the way ... somebody said it a while ago ... when Obama is done with you, all you are going to have is change in your pocket ... confused Mr. Chump Change.

Great. So the word "assassination" has now been added to the ever-gorwing list of words that whites cannot say in public? It joins the phrase "public lynching", and the words "uppity" and "niggardly" (a word which has NOTHING to do with the word that sounds similar). Hillary should go after Obama every time he uses the word "period" in a sentence.

Fucking ridiculous.

Oh, and if everytime the word "assassination" is uttered anywhere in the press, the Obama camp goes headline with a complaint, they are essentially linking the candidate with such a terrible act. He keeps doing that, he better pick a VERY acceptable running mate if he wants to get elected.



In the current tempest over what Clinton said -- and what she meant -- the calendar may be the real culprit. She made a similar remark about the 1968 Kennedy assassination in March that received little notice then, probably because there were still plenty of state contests left and more uncertainty as to who would come out ahead.

Now, the longer the nomination race goes on, the more people are asking Clinton why she continues to campaign.

She insists she can win, but the mathematical explanations for how that can happen grow more fanciful by the week.

And without any clear explanation of how she can win, mentioning the Robert Kennedy assassination to some ears sounds like the last, desperate scenario of someone unwilling to admit defeat.


ap.google.com

"...the Divisive Party of the People Haters who are pro Obama the Redeemer..."

Now, what was that about wanting to have "a civilized discussion"...?

"when Obama is done with you, all you are going to have is change in your pocket ... "

How do Hillary's positions on those issues---taxation, for example---differ?

I was told to wait a couple of days before some of you would be willing to have a civilized discussion...

Look for example to the capital dividends taxation issue...

"Look for example to the capital dividends taxation issue..."

What, specifically?

I was told to wait a couple of days before some of you would be willing to have a civilized discussion...

What you don't understand Chump Change is that are being civil.

As our old friend Hans would say:

Is this the Drudge Discussion? NO!
Is this the Drudge Debate? NO!
This the Drudge RETORT!

Gal Tuesday

Why should Clinton get out when RFK was still campaigning in June when he was assassinated?

Can you answer the question?

I see your campaign to tell all the Hillary voters to go fuck themselves is working well. Obama doesn't need that trash on his side. He's way up in the polls.

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and Clinton? Her votes can go to McCain--after all--those Helleryites are lying thieving bastards from what I've been hearing. Who needs people like that. There's only a few of them anyway.

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Danforth, Sen. Obama wants to almost double the capital gains tax from 15% to 28%: "I look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness". I don't think that reason is good enough.

I am not at all sure that it will work. I think it will punish the retirees- who depend on that income - the most, and it will punish small investors the most. It will perhaps make a dent for successful investors, but it will punish regular folks the most. Those successful investors are also going to find ways to go around paying taxes, as usual.

There is also the argument that history showed that raising that tax so much will simply not produce more revenue. Sen. Obama implied that the issue of fairness is more important than the government taking in revenue. How can we pay for all those things he wants then?

"...and Clinton? Her votes can go to McCain"

Only via idiots who can't recognize major differences in policies and Supreme Court leanings.

Only via idiots who can't recognize major differences in policies and Supreme Court leanings.

Voting one's self interest should trump spiteful idiocy. You'd think that wouldn't require much thought.

""I look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness". I don't think that reason is good enough. "

We currently tax unemployment at higher rates than capital gains. Or sweat-of-the-brow labor. At times, we tax them more than double what we tax qualified dividends and LT capital gains. Do you actually believe that's fair?

"I think it will punish the retirees- who depend on that income - the most"

Only if the single person is getting over about $40,000, or a couple receiving over about $80,000. Hardly poverty level.

"It will perhaps make a dent for successful investors, but it will punish regular folks the most."

Reality check: Whom do you think owns more of the money?

"There is also the argument that history showed that raising that tax so much will simply not produce more revenue. "

Sorry, wrong again. The highest revenues ever for the government were FY 2000, credited to Hillary's husband, when the tax rates were even higher than what you fear.

"Sen. Obama implied that the issue of fairness is more important than the government taking in revenue."

Where and how?

Only via idiots who can't recognize major differences in policies and Supreme Court leanings.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-05-25 04:48 PM | Reply


The country is full of them. Millions upon millions. Lots of them tell Hillary voters they are stupid for not seeing she wants Obama assassinated. Lots of them tell call Hillary supporters names like Hellaryites and worse. Lots of them tell Hillary voters to go fuck themselves. Maybe they will.

www.electoral-vote.com

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and when you see them swearing in McCain and you're thinking about all the USSC justices he will be appointing to be a factor in America for the coming centuries, you be sure to pat yourself on the back for getting your point across that Hellary wanted Obama assassinated. You did your part. McCain 08!!

Voting one's self interest should trump spiteful idiocy. You'd think that wouldn't require much thought.

Posted by YAV at 2008-05-25 05:00 PM | Reply

That has never been a factor. If it were there would be no red states. People without a gay person around for 200 miles will vote for the candidate against gay marriage but will raise their portion of the national debt and kill a relative in a senseless war.

Gal Tuesday

Why should Clinton get out when RFK was still campaigning in June when he was assassinated? The b00b p'Troll


The primaries in '68 started in March. Kennedy had only gotten into the race six weeks before he was shot. Different timeline, different circumstances, and there were plenty of delegates left to be gained.

Also, after the New York primary in '92 Tsongas dropped out, and Jerry Brown could not gain enough delegates to beat Clinton, though he stayed in the race.

Again, this year is different because the primaries started early and will be over by June 3.

Clinton has stated repeatedly that ANYTHING can happen between now and the convention, and now we know that one of the possibilities that she has considered is Obama's assassination.

It's not like it's a secret that he's received death threats - that started when he ran for the US Senate. Micelle Obama brushed them off saying "As a black man Barack could get shot going to the gas station."

Gal Tuesday

Why should Clinton get out when RFK was still campaigning in June when he was assassinated?

Can you answer the question?

I see your campaign to tell all the Hillary voters to go fuck themselves is working well. Obama doesn't need that trash on his side. He's way up in the polls.


I have never said Clinton should get before in June. I have said that I thought the nomination should be decided in June, after the primaries are over, so that the candidate can start running against McCain.
Waiting until August to decide will not give the candidate enough time, IMO, to unite the Democratic party and run a strong presidential campaign against McCain.

I have never told Clinton supporters to go f*** themselves.

Why should Clinton get out when RFK was still campaigning in June when he was assassinated?

Are you saying that if RFK had still been campaign and assassinated in July or August that would be grounds for Hillary to stay in the race until then? If you are, then you are making the case for those people who are saying Hillary mentioned RFK's assassination because she thinks there is a good chance Obama will be killed.

Gal Tuesday

You obviously didn't understand the question. I asked--"Why should Clinton get out when RFK was still campaigning in June when he was assassinated?"

That obviously means that Obama should be assassinated. Can't you read?

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out."


"I have never told Clinton supporters to go f*** themselves."

Yes you have, you just used different words--same effect--you just aren't bright enough to realize it.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-05-25 06:35 PM | Reply

Why are the Obama supporters pushing Hillary to get out early? Why not just wait until the next three primaries are over and whichever one has the nomination wrapped up goes into the general election and up against McCain. Let this race between Obama and Hillary play out until the end.

Are you saying that if RFK had still been campaign and assassinated in July or August that would be grounds for Hillary to stay in the race until then? If you are, then you are making the case for those people who are saying Hillary mentioned RFK's assassination because she thinks there is a good chance Obama will be killed.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-05-25 06:43 PM


I'm saying what Hillary said. Rfk was campaigning in June, so why should she get out? Her mentioning the assassination only meant that he would have been campaigning longer had he lived. To think she meant anything else shows what a pus filled shit heel you are. You and others who think like you are the mold of humanity. You deserve McCain, and I'll help you accomplish your goal.

All you Hellaryites are stupid if you think she doesn't want Obama assassinated. Here--read it in her own words.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

She should be arrested for such a threat and all her supporters are morons if they can't see the obvious threat.

Hillary's comments are clearly intended to convey that anything could happen late in a campaign. And since she specifically referenced assassination, it is not illogical to think that a possible assassination is reason for staying in.

She did not give an extensive list of campaigns lasting long and ending with surprising outcomes. Just one, and that ended with assassination.

Obama's camp giving her a pass was calculated politics. Thank you Hillary.

To think she meant anything else shows what a pus filled shit heel you are. You and others who think like you are the mold of humanity.

I hope Changegirl reads this. Maybe she'll advise me to wait a few days until Clinton supporters such as yourself are capable of civil discourse.

Her reference to the assassination was strictly pertaining to the time....why does everyone have their panties in a wad...she was not relating to an Obama assassination, nor using that reference as a ploy to imply such...certainly a common phrase as to RFK and generally used in a lot of ways but not as a meaning any other than his life ended unfortunately associated with campaigning.. the date, not the substance of assassination is the meaning here...you really have little to do in life if this is all you have to discuss...you had better be discussing what your response is going to be if this 'bobblehead Osama' is actually elected...he will make 'W' ratings go sky high after about one month in office... little minds have small boundaries ....wake up to the real problem here... speak about substance in something that twisted words and minds...!!!!

you really have little to do in life if this is all you have to discuss

Then quit discussing it, if you can call that mangling of the english language above discussion. Your whole post is a self-retort.

Hmmmm...tigerbalm...isn't it time for you to your pizza delivery job...????

" you be sure to pat yourself on the back for getting your point across that Hellary wanted Obama assassinated. "

Are you talking to yourself again?

"Cause I know you're not suggesting I've been doing that. Even you aren't that deranged.

"...he will make 'W' ratings go sky high after about one month in office... "

I'll take that bet.


"To think she meant anything else shows what a pus filled shit heel you are. You and others who think like you are the mold of humanity."

I hope Changegirl reads this. Maybe she'll advise me to wait a few days until Clinton supporters such as yourself are capable of civil discourse.

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