I am embarrassed to be a Floridian.

My prediction is this gets tossed because this isn't an election for state or federal office. Primaries are controlled by the parties, not the gov't, and they have the right to set their own rules.

They would have to be able to show someone's civil rights were denied, or that someone stood to suffer damages. That case can be made in a Federal or State election, but not likely in a primary where delegates to a party convention are the subject.

Hillary Clinton sinks even lower, How Low Will She Go???

I am embarrassed to be a Floridian.

But you probably have a nice tan and a warm breeze year 'round. Imagine you got disenfranchised because your state party can't read directions, your state is full of igets, toll roads, retirees and Caribbean refugees but was moved to Michigan...

That's embarrassing.

Gotta take the good with the bad, danni.

From the Sun-Sentinel: Broward Politics

Steve Geller meets with Hillary Clinton
Posted by Linda Kleindienst at 5:22 PM

State Sen. Steve Geller was asked to attend a private meeting with Hillary Clinton this afternoon after her Broward campaign speech. Still an undeclared super delegate, the Senate Democratic Leader from Cooper City was expecting a full court press to win him over to the Clinton camp.

Miami Herald:

Hillary lobbies Geller, the unattached super-delegate

Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller, who swears he's an unattached super-delegate, dashed to a must-attend meeting this afternoon with Hillary Clinton, apparently to listen to her pitch on why he should commit to him in the delegate count and not frontrunner Barack Obama....

...But wait a minute: What's the point? Florida's delegates have been rendered powerless, remember?

Not for long, Geller says. He's scheduled a press conference in his Fort Lauderdale law office tomorrow to announce a "significant development expected to have national impact.''

ooooooh! Clinton talkin' to an uncommitted SD. Imagine that!

It's a conspiracy!

Paranoia strikes deep......

And that Obama backer Percy Johnson who is one of two co-plaintiffs in the suit?

shhhhh!! not really a black guy!!

Supreme Court bound ala Y2K

Dems suing Dems to make every vote count in Florida! Hahahaha!

A Federal lawsuit in this case is of no relevance, I believe.

Hillary's pandering to the ignorant continues. Pretty soon even the ignorant will get it.

Voting in a Primary is not voting in a national or state election.

Barrack begins VP search, Hillary will miss the train if she doesn't stop with the tantrums.

WhoooooohooooooAllAboard......
.!

Train has left the station, law suits ahead

Can anyone else smell the aroma coming from Corky's polyester-clad crotch? The warmth she's experiencing down there for the first time in decades is vaguely familia to her, and very exciting.

And now we have it, the supremes will decide again.

One can see the shitty playing going on and what is funny is the Democratic party is just sitting back and letting her do this.

How stupid and naive can this party of yahoos really be, well



yeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaw, I guess pretty naive and stupid.

Hilary Clinton and the entire Democrat Party should be ashamed of Hillary Clinton and Florida. Hillary is such an ego-maniac she can't keep herself out of the spotlight even though all hope is gone. He agreed that votes in Florida and Michigan should not count but is so desperate she is turning back on her word.

Floridians are the dumbest people in America. They whined about the Bush election and now they are whining now. Florida broke the rules and now has to pay the price. Touch cookies!

"Touch(sic) cookies!"

woo hoo

""He" agreed... but is so desperate "she" is turning back.... Floridians are the dumbest people in America.... "Touch" cookies!"

I didn't realize you were from Florida, UTAStiff.

As usual democrats trying to suppress votes. Just like they did in Florida in 2000 with the military and selective recounts.


Bee Swell

This is Operation Chaos at it's best--Please continue arguing with one another.....lol


Murphy

San--you bring up a good point--but the primaries are run by the STATES and paid by the States.

Caucuses are paid by the party==RNC DNC..


MIFL were both primaries. They are arguing for 100 people in each state to go to the convention in Denver. And of course have their votes counted in the selection of the nominee.

They are using the courts--just like the Dems use the courts when they don't get their way--to make decisions to affect the voters.

These states put on primaries and the votes were certified by the State.

How is it that an outside organization such as the DNC is allowed to disenfranchise the millions of voters?

So Obama becomes the nominee without counting all the votes? Without counting all the States?

SO he is not the nominee of the entire Dem Party? He is partial nominee.

Only the DNC and Howard Dean could screw this up so badly. He can go "touch cookies" with his scream...

I think the courts will find a way to rule in the plaintiffs favor--you can't have any organization disenfranchising votes from a legal certified primary.

Next they could say this state did something wrong --so their votes don't count--or this state--or this state--see?

Murphy

Murphy,

These states put on primaries and the votes were certified by the State.

How is it that an outside organization such as the DNC is allowed to disenfranchise the millions of voters?

I am afraid of how you can't seem to understand this and your questions answer themselves.

The DNC is not part of the state for one, it is a organization. FL. can not go to the convention and choose whom ever they want, they just don't get to voice that choice with the DNC organization.

Exactly Money--they are telling the states their certified election doesn't count--will not count and the votes are protected under the Constitution.

So it's ok with you that Obama is a partial nominee?

It is a great question--of who counts in America--

The DNC (or any organization) or the Constitution...Who has the power? Who has the legal word on this kind of thing?

Why did the Repubs take the road they did and count half? Could it be that they had competent counsel tell them that the RNC could not prevail on telling millions of voters that they have NO say in the elections process? Even if they went early.

Heck most of the states went earlier than any year prior--that was Super Tuesday--they all moved up.

What the hell does the DNC get off telling a STATE that they don't count?

If someone wants to play with elections--they better follow THOSE rules and not monkey around telling millions of voters that their state did not follow the strange organizations rules.

Murphy

Why did the Repubs take the road they did and count half? Could it be that they had competent counsel tell them that the RNC could not prevail on telling millions of voters that they have NO say in the elections process? Even if they went early.

I heard that the DNC offered to count half the delegates in FL and MI but that Hillary turned it down. Half the count won't get her elected the nominee, so half isn't good enough. For Hillary, this isn't about doing the right thing in those states; it's about securing her the nomination.

Murphy,

I am afraid you didn't understand the post.

they are telling the states their certified election doesn't count--will not count and the votes are protected under the Constitution.

No they are not. The certified election just doesn't count within the DNC organization.

Come REAL presidential election time florida can use that certified vote as their candidates.

So Obama becomes the nominee without counting all the votes? Without counting all the States?

Obama becomes the nominee by counting all the DNC organization votes and that is what is being done. It has nothing to do with the state.

SO he is not the nominee of the entire Dem Party? He is partial nominee.

Yes he is, the entire party set rules and are following them and those who don't remove themselves from the party......MI and FL. Go figure, even this country doesn't allow outlaws to vote!

See how crazy and self-serving this all gets:

On a conference call this morning, Clinton senior adviser Harold Ickes argued not only that Michigan's and Florida's delegations should receive full votes at the convention, but that the Michigan's 55 uncommitted delegates should be seated as such, not given to the Obama camp.

. . .

The Clinton camp has argued consistently for months now that Michigan and Florida should be seated. But to what degree has varied of late. Terry McAuliffe told NBC's Tim Russert on Meet the Press May 11 that the campaign "certainly might" accept giving Michigan and Florida half votes, which he claimed DNC rules called for. As DNC chairman, McAuliffe wrote about threatening to strip Michigan of 50% of its delegates if it moved up its date. Bill Clinton has also called a 50% penalty "appropriate."

Ickes today said Michigan and Florida should be seated fully because, in his view, they have already been punished.

. . .

Both Ickes and Wolfson declined to say what would happen if the Rules and Bylaws Committee ruled for anything less than a full commitment, but did not rule out taking it to the Credentials Committee at the convention. Ickes sits on the committee and last year voted to strip Florida of its delegates.

God I can't wait until Hellary is back home making cookies in Her PJ's. God She makes Me ill.

Larry Mohr

Wait until after all the primaries and than make a decision, not before.

God I can't wait until Hellary is back home making cookies in Her PJ's.

Why? Are you on her distribution list, Larry?

Hey Goatman kiss my ass. tired of Your shittiness.

Larry Mohr

hahaha good one Goat

Hey Goatman kiss my ass.

The entire 37 acres?

Obama probably ought to concede Florida. In fact, he and Axelrod have both said that they'd be fine with the "half-strength delegates" plan from Florida. Assume Obama gets Edwards' delegates. Then it's 105-80 / 2. 13 votes. No where near enough to help her.

The problem is that conceding Florida probably entails conceding Michigan somehow. And there's the real worry that Clinton will try to prevent the "Uncommitted" vote from Michigan from going to Obama. The only way she could get near a win is to have no Obama votes in Michigan. Michigan tried to compromise with 69-59 (10 delegates in Clinton's favor), and she refused the idea.

shhhhh!! not really a black guy!!

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2008-05-22 04:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Get some help.

Racism is not funny.

I dont care about which candidate gets what--I can't stand either one!

What I do care about is State Rights and some friggin DNC or other organization tryng to disqualify the votes of the millions of Americans that went to the polls to vote.

Murphy

Murphy-
"What I do care about is State Rights...."

You must have been really bummed when the US Supreme Court overruled the FL court, stopped the vote count in FL, and declared Bush the winner.

(Now why do I think you care about as much for principles in politics as Rush Limbaugh does....which of course is where you got this transparently hypocritical argument)

come on danni......you arent embarrassed to be from florida.....its a beautifull state.....not as great as texas, as we can all agree.....LOL....but its not bad either......
now being a liberal democrat.....well....now thats a whole 'nother' story now isnt it?

and why isnt howard....YYYYYEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH
HHHHHH.....Dean getting some flack from you guys....

Murphy,

Listen, please. You and I are on the same side of the political isle last I checked, but I am here to tell you that on this one you are operating on a faulty premise.

Votes in the primaries have absolutely nothing to do with States Rights. The government, in at neither the Federal, State, nor Local levels instituted political parties. Legally speaking they amount to no more than just a club. They aren't a government entity in and of themselves.

There is a law in the Constitution that says we have a right to vote for the President, and that vote will still occur in November. Florida and Michigan will get to participate fully in that election. There is NO law however that says that any organization that wants to offer a candidate for the presidency has to have all states involved in their organizations choosing process.

None. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

The states have NO rights in this except what the party rules give them.

If I wanted to make a political party and have only 3 states choose the candidate that would run, there is no law stopping this. States Rights have absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

If the DNC wants to cut their own throat by excluding states, they have that right. It's their party and they'll die if they want to.

Mooman-
That had to be said. How'd you do that accidentally?

"and why isnt howard....YYYYYEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH
HHHHHH.....Dean getting some flack from you guys...."

Because some of us are smart enough to understand why the rules of the party need to be enforced.

Anybody can sue anybody for anything. If it reaches the court and they see what McCaulliffe said in 04 and what Hillary agreed to in 08 it will not go in Hillarys favor. Dean needs to put this to rest by telling Hillary to finally step down or he will start harping on the quotes by her and her staff regarding this issue in public.

-Get some help.

Racism is not funny.

Posted by leonland

No, but jumping up and down and pointing and shouting, "racist!racist!" whenever race is mentioned makes you a frakking riot.

I created the kwrx party....held elections....took the ballots and used them to blow my nose....and named myself the winner.

notin' no one can do about it.

same thing.

Gosh, after all their foofaraw regarding the value of each vote, and the right of each voter to be counted, you'd think that the Democrats would be more sensitive, more reluctant to deprive their voters of representation, voters who of course include blacks and other minorities, favored constituencies for whom they particularly inveigh. Too bad children don't vote since then it also could be "for the children."

What is particularly ironic regarding this whole matter is that the Democrats are being manipulated by he Republicans. It was the Republican controlled legislature that advanced the voting date, and the Democrats were not in a position to contravene this action. So instead of accommodating the change, which they could not control, the Democrats under that rather "shaky" Dean fellow, decided to disenfranchise the Florida Democrats. Dean is a founding member of the "hate Clinton" Democrat faction, with a particular antipathy toward Ms Hillary, so you can see the "wheels within wheels" at work.

But again, the irony is that the Democrats seize upon the opportunity to disenfanchise their Florida voters in response to an action by Republicans.

The question arises also as to the political maneuvering that dictates keeping the status quo ante in place. Who benefits from the current grandfathered sequence in which the particular states vote, and establish favorites.

As I live and breathe, I suspect that it may not be an idealized situation, but that some parties may have an agenda that makes them think the current situation favors their prospects. Oh, that's an heretical thought? Okay.

The USA deserves Clinton.

Those damned crafty republicans...stymie the Dems at every turn....

but then the Dems turn and blast them as ineffective, bumbling idiots...

which is it...

or? oh my! what if both are true and the bumbling idiots are capable of out witting the Dems......?

we are truly screwed

Because some of us are smart enough to understand why the rules of the party need to be enforced.

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AH but SWEETY...( ah look a reference to the great obama....cool huh?).......saw report about obama in your great state and there were protesters....republicans? illegal aliens?
NO>.....dems were protesting him on the delegate issue.....ah yes.....the GREAT UNITER STRIKES AGAIN......

All I can think when I see his picture in the article is: "TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS."