That is right, she ought not blame sexism for her shortcomings as a candidate. Crying sexism won't make people forget about the fact she voted for the war, about the Bosnia gaff, etc.

..Or make them forget about Vince Foster or the Rose Law Firm or the Universal Health Care fiasco or.....

A woman propelled into the national lime light because of her husband's political career has a lot of nerve claiming sexism held her back.

Or about a million "I don't recall"s.

girls can't handle the pressure. She should go back to baking cookies

The biggest flaw was underestimating the invisible man.

Murphy

The invisible man?

Corky that is such baloney. The male candidates had to virtually tip toe around Hillary in the debates and out making stump speeches out of the fear of some saying they were beating up on the girl. She used her gender to her advantage much more than any of the other candidates used it as a negative.
What seems the most hypocritical to me is her warming up to Fox News when they have, in the past, been the one network where sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton have been the norm for years and who,if she got the nomination, would have made the most nasty sexist attacks possible.
You look at the vote tallies in Pennsylvania and Kentucky and then say sexism harmed her more than racism harmed Obama and I will laugh in your face.

More women are voting for Obama than Clinton. Are these women just stupid them? They don't see the 'sexism'?

Many of the women disturbed by the sexism in the campaign are not Clinton supporters, and are not arguing that sexism cost her the nomination. (I don't believe that sexism cost her the nomination.)

I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven't publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they'd compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama's sex organs play?

There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for "change." But for all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture.

The sexism is the MSM and all these good ol boys telling her to get out the race--

"Sweetie--it's time to leave"

That's the BS. If she were a man--no one would be saying it.

I see millions of women voting for McCain over this perceived (real or not) treatment of Hillary.

Murphy

When Hillary fails, blame others.

Par for the course.

Danni--What are the examples of Sexism on Fox?

They have been really quite good at reporting for her and her interview with O'Reilly was terrific.

Just because she and Obama have turned toward the audience of Fox--you call them hypocrites?




Murphy

"Danni--What are the examples of Sexism on Fox?"

I wasn't talking about recent Fox broadcasts, I was talking about how they treated her before the Democratic primaries began. They have insulted her every which way for years but now, since they fear Obama, they have been nice to her and she....she goes over there??? I lost respect for her when I saw her do that.

So you must have lost repsect for Obama--because he went over there too..

I disagree with you on the Fox comments. Fox--did not make mean references or degrade Hillary because she is a woman. I watch the channel and others and actually they have been the ones pointing out the disrespect she has gotten from the others. On CNN unless it is a HIllary supporter--they all are infering and questioning and degrading her to get out of the race.

All the networks talk about her in the WH and her past and Bill--that is not being sexist.

Murphy

they have been nice to her and she....she goes over there??? I lost respect for her when I saw her do that.

Posted by danni

WOW. I guess no democrat should ever appear on Fox. I guess she should kiss the ass of that blond asshole on MSNBC that has said nothing nice about her for a year. That would make you feel good?

"So you must have lost repsect for Obama--because he went over there too.."

one point for Murphy.

"WOW. I guess no democrat should ever appear on Fox."

After 2004 I didn't think any Democrat should ever appear on that network again. Actuall I still think that way. I do think though that CNN is sometimes the new Fox today. Lou Dobbs.....eeeewwwww!!!!

Is it a crime for an American president to be likable ?

During that debate when likability was being discussed the likable candidate turned to Hillary and said "you are likable enough"... and she primly replied "that hurts my feelings".

Her husband was immensely likable in his time, and ditto her competitor this season.

And in a debate did she ever fail to note the historical significance of a woman and a black running ? In my opinion she was appealing to female voters and maybe a not so subtle reminder that her opponent was (shudder) black.

"Lou Dobbs.....eeeewwwww!!!!"

Posted by danni

CalifChris might stone you for that.

"CalifChris might stone you for that."

I know but I watched Lou the other night and he turns my stomach.

They have insulted her every which way for years but now, since they fear Obama, they have been nice to her and she....she goes over there??? I lost respect for her when I saw her do that. -- Danni

She won a lot of respect from the editorial board of one of the major Philly (Pitt? I've lost track) papers for visiting with them after they had been run a series of negative articles on her.

It's one of the things I respect and admire her for -- the fact that she will stand up to her critics, put any personal feelings about how she has been treated aside, and engage them on the issues. This, btw, is one of the reasons she earned so much respect so quickly in the U.S. Senate -- she was able to reach across the aisle despite the despicable treatment (Ken Starr) she and her family received during her husband's presidency.

She has demonstrated remarkable dignity, poise, and grace, imo, and deserves credit for that.

Besides, I don't think you win many battles by scurrying to your foxhole whenever your opponents get nasty.

Anyone who doesn't believe sexism is still rampant in this country - - is in denial.

Phoenix, she did the same thing in Louisville. The paper has made its support of Obama clear, but she didn't back down.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I will grant you that Hillary has generally shown toughness and poise in this race. I really don't blame her for sticking it out. She's not a quitter. That's a good thing for a politician.

I think it's tiresome, however, to hear the cries of sexism emanating from so many voices now. This sort of thing is why some Americans are turned off by the Democratic Party. Likewise, I'm frankly tired of hearing cries of racism just because people don't support Obama. I'm in Kentucky, which to my disappointment voted mostly for HRC. But that doesn't mean every Hillary voter is a racist redneck. The Clintons have always been popular here. Arkansas and Kentucky are similar politically - lots of conservative Democrats.

Oscar I don't think anyone is denying there is sexism but it just seems sort of ironic that her campaign is complaining about sexism even as they enjoyed the benefits of racism in some states like Penn. and Kentucky. I didn't hear Obama say that he lost in Kentucky because of racism though 2 out 20 voters in exit polls said they would not vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black. The Clinton campaign even hinted strongly that one of the reasons to select Clinton for the nomination was because Obama (A BLACK MAN OMG!!) could not win.

Ok, so here is what this boils down to;

Suppose you have a piece of shit, say it's name is hillary, how do you tell people it is a piece of shit without someone whining that you are doing it because it is a female piece of shit.

What rules can I count on as a white man that I will be treated fairly -- none, so fuck off and stop asking for special measures to accomodate your entitlement class.

I would love to vote for a woman for president. I would vote for Nancy Pelosi or Geraldine fruitcake Ferraro 100 times before I would vote for Hillary once. It ain't about the sex, it's about the person being a piece of shit.

Voting for McCain does not seem to be an effective way to send a message about sexism in this campaign. McCain is in no way a friend to women. He doesn't have any history of standing up against sexism (even when one of his supporters asked 'how do we beat the bitch?') I find it hard to believe that any democrat that believes in Clinton's platform would find anything to like about McCain's proposal. I want Clinton to take on this sexism. Work to transfer this anger against sexism to getting more women elected.

The wpmen who are mad at Obama for spankibg Hillary's butt don't have to vote for McCain, they can bow out gracefully and then go back to the kitchen or bedroom where they belong.

.......success has many mothers......but failure ......is an orphan......

Remember during the MSNBC debate at the AFL/CIO forum Obama was speaking and he said "If you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your nigger...".

Oh wait, you didn't hear that. Obama didn't cry racism when he lost Appalachian states, and he certainly didn't troll for black sympathy by saying "I'm your nigger.".

Hypocrite loser Shrillary "I'm your girl" Clinton can't claim sexism if she's willing to use her gender to get ahead. Let's not forget the crying in front of another group of women in NH. That was priceless.

The wpmen who are mad at Obama for spankibg Hillary's butt don't have to vote for McCain, they can bow out gracefully and then go back to the kitchen or bedroom where they belong.

Posted by fwthom


Jesus Fuckwad Thom, how do you ever expect to get laid with that attitude?

When the various male candidates were being pushy and bossy and playing hardball the media referred to them as men who were "assertive, in-charge, aggressive, strong, and showing necessary leadership qualities."

When Hillary was pushy and bossy the media referred to her as a whiny bitch.

When Hillary teared up one time in public the media said she was too weak, too female, and would probably be unable to control her emotions enough to be President.

Fair play?

"Lou Dobbs.....eeeewwwww!!!!"

Posted by danni

CalifChris might stone you for that.

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-05-21 01:21 PM


Well, I might toss a few rocks but I don't have time to now.

Lou Dobbs' show comes on CNN in exactly 7 minutes. (grin)

Part of Ms Hillary's problem is that she was perceived as being a c(r)unt. She had that scandal regarding the ticket agency where they actually unjustly indicted someone so her friends could take over the business. Intemperate, inconsiderate, and ruthless. She empowered other young female subordiantes, young aides to rudely insult the military called to the White House, and forbade them from wearing their uniforms to the White House. She berates subordinates. I'm not addressing her criminal activities, just her disposition.

I suppose someone who has been in a seat of power from an early age, such as Ms Hillary and Mr. Bill were, can lose his bearings. She probably believed that her shit didn't stink. And now many of those who were cowed are engaged in killing the weakened beast.

It's unfortunate that someone as unfit as Obama is the one benefting from this retaliation directed towards Ms Hillary.

Johnson-
She's perceived as being a "crunt"?

What's a "crunt"? And by whom is she perceived as being one?

"The Sexist Media Lynching of Hillary Clinton

Obama has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. And that sexism is starting to be noticed, and commented on - even in places you don't expect it. John Cole, to say the least, is no Hillary Clinton fan but the gender-based attacks have gotten to him:

"Quite frankly, I hate to say this, but I think what we are actually seeing is a double-standard here, and the feminists may be right. This is all about Hillary being a woman. John Edwards has been 150 times as angry the whole campaign, and has built his entire campaign around it. Howard Dean was angry, and people lapped it up. Here, Hillary isn't really angry, just matter-of-fact and frustrated, and people are giving her shit.

I don't want Hillary as President, but it sure looks to me like she isn't getting a fair shake and is being subjected to a double standard. It's bullshit."

Then there was Clinton's flash of anger in the same debate as the two men teamed up to bash her - she showed her anger, something male candidates (think McCain) do every debate, and was promptly accused of having a "meltdown." More people are beginning the see this media lynching as a negative story for Democrats of truly historic; here's Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly:

"Am I feeling bitter? You bet. Not because Hillary Clinton seems more likely than not to lose -- I can live with that pretty easily -- but because of how she's likely to lose. Because the press doesn't like her. Because any time a woman raises her voice half a decibel she instantly becomes shrill."

much more

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POSTED BY CORKY AT 2008-05-21 12:19 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Eat a dick you sore loser bitch!

For your information DDENTON I get all the pussy I want. I went to college before the feminista castrated you wimpy libs, so I have a normal male attitude toward women and most women understand and appreciate that.

The wpmen who are mad at Obama for spankibg Hillary's butt don't have to vote for McCain, they can bow out gracefully and then go back to the kitchen or bedroom where they belong. --fwthom

Jesus Fuckwad Thom, how do you ever expect to get laid with that attitude? -- Ddenton

Uh... good points, both of you. Hard to protest sexism by voting for a man who calls his wife a cunt and trollop.

But Mission: Lysistrata -- THAT has potential!

On a more serious note, I do think the party has some serious fence-mending to do. Keep in mind that the last 2 Dem presidential candidates have been in the race ONLY because of their edge among women voters. If a substantial number of women stay home, the party doesn't have a chance in the fall.

Dumping Dean is a good first step.

girls can't handle the pressure. She should go back to baking cookies

Posted by vernon>

Actually she's a Senator. And what do you do, Vernon? Probably a clerk in a hardware store.

Hey Johnson maybe you should vote for more of the same.

I don't believe that sexism cost her the nomination. -- Phoenix

When I wrote this, I was thinking the chief reason she is behind in the delegate count is because of Dean's Mi/Fl screwup.

But the more I think about this, the more I agree with people who point out sexism has made a critical difference too. Certainly there are many people -- including some of my close friends -- who haven't supported her for completely different reasons. But given how close the race has been, the fact that the press and Democratic leadership have been extremely sensitive to any appearance of racism while not batting an eye at outright misogyny is enough to make the difference in this near-dead heat.

And the biggest problem I think she has faced all along is the 8 years during which Hillary Rodham had to play the role of Bill Clinton's dutiful wife after too many people got nervous about having a strong, independent woman as first lady.

Maybe Hillary should have been spending more time giving blowjobs and less time yap yapping. Didn't she learn anything from MOnica? (THEN maybe she could have blamed sexism.)

Hillary turned me off because of her going negative and kitchen sink campaigning against Obama. She couldn't take on his charisma and likability so she went on the attack. That is douchebaggery.

I could have voted for her before then, but now I see it'll be the same ole politics as usual with her.

And to claim sexism cost her the race is bogus. More women have voted for Obama than her, are they sexist? In fact, sexism has helped her out with some of the women who are voting for her merely because she is a woman.

Eat a dick you sore loser bitch!

Posted by leonland


LooneyLand(TM) shares his habits with us. How sweet.

But then, that IS his most substantive post thus far.

It's amazing to me that some people think that we should just lay the mantle of leadership at her feet. And they don't even give a good logical reason to do so. Just emotion and feelings.

I would personally feel very good about having a Zen Buddhist in office but......

-Maybe Hillary should have been spending more time giving blowjobs and less time yap yapping.

Moder8, who is anything but, proves the point of the thread with his advanced case of misogynistic myopia.

(That means you are fucking tool.)

For your information DDENTON I get all the pussy I want.

Posted by fwthom


Pretty common response from guys who never actually get any. And I'm still laughing. You should go on tour with this gig...

(That means you are fucking tool.)
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2008-05-22 09:31 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

This IS corky's most substantive post thus far.

(That means you are fucking tool.)
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2008-05-22 09:31 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

This IS corky's most substantive post thus far.