And so the cycle repeats...wasn't it just 4 years ago that the Dems needed to reinvent themselves?

Republican "reinvention"? I don't see why not. Y'all have done it within the last eight years with the neocon innovation. Sorry that didn't create the Thousand Year Reich as intended.

Just as a suggestion---If Republicans want to reinvent one more time---Try to stay away from the concept of "We get to do whatever we want no matter how contradictory and against core values as long as we think it provides us with an advantage today".

Put more simply, over time, power-mad hypocrites do worse in elections than real people.

This should be interesting to see the reivention while still pandering to the loon bases of the Gray Old Party.

Their image is as stale as their candidate for President.

They don't need to reinvent. They need to go back to the conservative side and get rid of all thoes borrow and spend libs. While they are at it, they need to keep some good ethics.

This ain't rocket science.

There is nothing to buy because they sold all the party stood for...on the cheap, just to rub salt in the wound.

Dog food made in China. Not recommended for consumption.

This is music to my ears.

Of course something is not right here...It's a bit suspicious...as if somehow they've figured out a strategy how to steal the 2008 election and this will allow them to say, "at first we thought we were toast...but we rebranded...and the people liked it...so we won!"

They don't need to reinvent. They need to go back to the conservative side and get rid of all thoes borrow and spend libs. While they are at it, they need to keep some good ethics

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-20 03:45 PM

**** "if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf" because nobody is buying it. ****

.......not true.......

......sniper....jonryker....jo
hnson......these guys are gobbling that stale horse-meat like it was filet mignon........

Good riddance to the borrow and spend cancervatards. You won't be missed.

When you can so freely, and without a bit of irony, talk about reinventing yourself, it shows that the beliefs and values that you claimed were part of your core identity were really just superficial accoutrements that can be changed when they are no longer in fashion.

In other words, the fact that this conversation is even going on shows what phoney's they realy are.

But that shouldn't be a problem for the GOP as long as they can scare the redacted out of enough people by demonizing the left to keep the party going.

The wheels on the bus go round and roung....

"...They need to...get rid of all thoes borrow and spend libs...This ain't rocket science. Posted by Sniper"

You do mean, of course Borrow and Spend Cons, right?

cause they sure conned you - twice!!! LOL!

wasn't it just 4 years ago that the Dems needed to reinvent themselves?

YEAH!

Except just Four Years Ago Their was still enthusiastic Talk of a Permanent Republican Majority!


But don't worry --- Now that Thompson's in the presidential race it's all but over for the dems!

phonies I mean...

The Republicans in November? Stick a fork in 'em, they're done!

Thanks to Cheney and his idiot monkey!

The Republicans know they have lost this election.

In professional baseball, whenever a long time minor leaguer who has no chance of making the major league is nearing the end of their career, a club will call the guy up at the end of a season to give him a few innings and a few at-bats.

The club is calling the player up and giving him a cup of coffee.

McCain is being given his cup of coffee.

Good riddance to the borrow and spend cancervatards. You won't be missed.

Posted by reinheitsgebot

Throw in the tax and spenders and we aggree.

As much as I do not want the GOP in power for the next four years, I can't say that they are down-and-out.

The country seems pretty evenly divided and with KKKarl Rove scaring white people into thinking that Barack Obama is a Zulu Warrior, it's going to be a tight race.

The domiant party always gets stale over time. The Republicans hae been in office so long that they act like Democrats -- avoiding serious issues and pissing away tax money on friends and favored projects. Because, ultimately, they are politicians.

As awful as it would be to have Democrats in charge, the Republicans need some time in the wilderness.

I think they will reinvent alright, by bombing Iran.
Fear of "mushroom clouds" and WMDs and ties to Al Quaeda. When you are in the business of looting the Treasury it seems to be the most successful line of bull available. So a few thousand Americans have to die, that is of no consequence to the Neocon leaders of the Republican party.

Certainly our GOP ship is sinking and it's every man for himself, but at least Captain George should have the dignity to go down with the ship.

What's more frightening is watching Obama the Appeaser sail up in his ship full of holes.

The party whose platform is premised on destroying the government will never successfully govern it. As long as their goal remains the annhilation of the middle class and the burgeoning of a banana republic they will only be able to count on some of the people to vote against their own economic interests for short periods of time.

They are not trying to re-invent themselves. They only want to change the wrapping paper so people will have a renewed interest in buying the same ol' sack of shit they've been peddling since the Contract ON America.

Rebranding-From Grand Old Party
to Greedy Old Pastyfaced Men.

Yup, that'll do the job.

Kind of ironic-the party that says it represents America can't be bothered to support a single black, hispanic or asian candidate anywhere but in throw-away seats?

They probably need to just go back to their roots. I believe the younger generation is more fiscally conservative. Stop bailing out companies. Stop passing huge Medicare Prescription drug programs. Stop starting hugely expensive wars. That would be a nice start. Get rid of the vocal racists that are keeping the young people away. They were a fiscally conservative party until they got the power, then all that disappeared.

"They don't need to reinvent. They need to go back to the conservative side"

YEAH!

Now There is Something that Two Years Ago Wasn't in the "republican" dialog!

If I remember correctly, two years ago the wingding story was "Only "republicans" can save us" (the same one they now are calling "liberal")!

More of that "conviction" in action I guess! I suppose snip is under the impression that people will believe that this undesirable element of their party snuck in only AFTER they lost the majority in 2006!

I can't wait until a dem president starts using their new powers of the executive against the RNC ---- Then we will hear some serious whining, backpedaling and creative attempts to re-write history!!

Perhaps if the Republicans remembered that they are supposed to be Americans first instead of Republicans first they wouldn't have ended up in this position.
All these years they have pretended "deficits don't matter", "war can be for profit", "working class people should be happy that the rich get richer"...finally they are feeling their karma.

"They don't need to reinvent. They need to go back to the conservative side"

You people are unbelievable...you have had the golden boy of conservatism presidng over this country with a rubber-stamp Congress for 8 years; you have changed the SCOTUS into a conservative activist jury...and yet, as badly as everything has gone for the last 7 years you want to continue the assault on the American middle class by becoming more conservative. You won't be happy until you have destroyed the country we love!

Good point, Danni. This whole "vote the party" mentality isn't good for anyone...except maybe the weak candidates.

REPUBLICAN BRAND: Fuck the poor and especially the middle class, since they still have something left to take. Welfare for the Rich, regressive taxation, subsidies and tax exemption for important cronies (donors).

Every $100,000 in donations will net you $10 million back if your candidate wins. So donate to all three and you are set, provided you have at least $100,000 to play with.

By the way, the Democrats are only marginally different.

(3) major candidates favor continuation of our unwritten immigration policy, contrary to our written laws.

(3) major candidates understand that the Government is an instrument of Wall Street, who are the rich behind the scenes fuckateers. This means they all agree to saddle the middle class with risks and guarantee profits for their cronies.

(3) major candidates do not want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

(3) major candidates accept "creative" accounting and will continue to watch the dollar decline as they rob peter to pay paul. Creative accounting features not counting anything you don't want to count from unfunded liabilities to dead bodies.

(3) major candidates believe only the United States, England, France, Russia, China, North Korea, Pakistan, India and Israel are entitled to manufacture, deploy and detonate weapons of mass destruction. Every other country is supposed to do what we say or we'll blow them to bits.

(3) major candidates believe in God and Jesus Christ as their Savior, even though any 9 year old can easily recognize that Biblical Fables are ethnocentric bullshit and most Old Testament Stories are morally repugnant. Armed with this knowledge they are prepared to go out and kill for Christ and his infinite love.

You people are unbelievable...you have had the golden boy of conservatism presidng over this country

Posted by realpatriot

And who might that be? Bush sure ain't no conservative. His dad wasn't either.

Does the term 'Bush was the lessor of two evils' ring a bell? It should, I have been saying that for many years now. Regean was a conservative democrat, not a conservative.

It took years fot the GOP to get themselves into this sorry state. It will take years for it to get itself out of it. It has little or no credibility with the vast majority of people under thirty and the older reflexive Republicans are gradually dying out while that newer generation matures. Outlook bleak. And all for Cheney and the Chimpster. Sad.

How can a stale old party defeat the fresh prince?

Does the term 'Bush was the lessor of two evils' ring a bell? It should, I have been saying that for many years now. Regean was a conservative democrat, not a conservative.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-20 05:17 PM

No child left behind.

Bush sure ain't no conservative.

He has played this presidency to the hilt of conservatism. Lowered tax burden on the wealthy, corporate welfare, used war as an economic tool, uncontrolled spending, judicial activism. He has played it by the book...the Gospel according to Reagan. Now that all of those bedrock principles of conservatism have been shown to be flawed and Bush has been rejected by all but the 20%-ers, you want to distance and say, he's not one of us. I've asked this question before on this site. To prove Bush is not a conservative, name for me one member of Congress who you deem to be a model conservative. Tell me how many times that conservative has been on the opposite side of the issue from Bush.

Bush is a conservative. He has followed the conservative playbook to a tee...now, you want to distance from him when you see that the ideology that you espouse has thrown this country straight into the crapper!

"And who might that be? Bush sure ain't no conservative. His dad wasn't either."
Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-20 05:15

YEAH!

I remember all the "conservatives" said just that back in 2004 ------ Not!

This fraud is as transparent as it is dishonest, yet there are signs that the media is nonetheless beginning to adopt this theme that there is some sort of epic and long-standing "Bush-conservative schism." But very little effort is required to see what a fraud that storyline is.

One of the few propositions on which Bush supporters and critics agree is that George Bush does not change and has not changed at all over the last six years. He is exactly the same.

And none of the supposed grounds for conservative discontent -- especially Bush's immigration position -- is even remotely new. Bush's immigration views have been well-known since before he was first elected in 2000, yet conservatives have devoted to him virtually cult-like loyalty and support. Just logically speaking, Bush's immigration views cannot be the cause of the flamboyant conservative "rebellion" against Bush since those views long co-existed with intense conservative devotion to Bush.

There is really only one thing that has changed about George W. Bush from the 2002-2004 era when conservatives hailed him as the Great Conservative Leader, and now. Whereas Bush was a wildly popular leader then, which made conservatives eager to claim him as their Standard-Bearer, he is now one of the most despised presidents in U.S. history, and conservatives are thus desperate to disassociate themselves from the President for whom they are solely responsible. It is painfully obvious there is nothing noble, substantive or principled driving this right-wing outburst; it is a pure act of self-preservation.

They don't need to reinvent. They need to go back to the conservative side and get rid of all thoes borrow and spend libs. While they are at it, they need to keep some good ethics.

This ain't rocket science.

Posted by Sniper


The party chose loyalty to a person over loyalty to a platform and ideal.

If the GOP stuck with the goldwater philosophy instead getting GW BUSH elected at all cost this wouldn't be an issue. Bush has been a huge burden for the whole party and is like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl at this point.

"
Rush Limbaugh, November 8, 2006 (Bush approval rating -- 31%):

Liberalism didn't win anything yesterday; Republicanism lost. Conservatism was nowhere to be found except on the Democratic side. . . . Conservatism did not lose, Republicanism lost last night. Republicanism, being a political party first, rather than an ideological movement, is what lost last night.

Rush Limbaugh, July 7, 2004 (Bush approval rating -- 55%):

Reagan was right just as George W. Bush is today, and I really believe that if Reagan had been able he would have put his hand on Bush's shoulder and say to him, "Stay the course, George." I really believe that."

Bob Novak, March 26, 2007 (Bush approval rating - 32%):

With nearly two years remaining in his presidency, Bush is alone. In half a century, I have not seen a president so isolated from his own party in Congress -- not Jimmy Carter, not even Richard Nixon as he faced impeachment.

Bob Novak, March 24, 2003 -- (Bush approval rating - 65%):

[Bush is] a president who may be more basically conservative than Ronald Reagan.

"Bush supporters and critics agree is that George Bush does not change and has not changed at all over the last six years. He is exactly the same.Bush supporters and critics agree is that George Bush does not change and has not changed at all over the last six years. He is exactly the same."

How sad. To think that one's ego is more important than what is right or wrong.

Great leadership includes the ability to see when something isn't right, isn't working and admit mistakes then do something to correct it. .

Bush lacks that kind of leadership, that kind of strength and obviously sound emotional well being.

Jonah Goldberg, May 29, 2007 (Bush approval rating - 32%)

Bush, The Liberal [Jonah Goldberg]

Richard Cohen discovers something some of us on the right have been saying for a while: if you hold your head just so and look at Bush from the right angle, he looks an awful lot like a liberal.

Jonah Goldberg, November 8, 2003 (Bush approval rating - 60%)

But it is now clear that Bush's own son takes far more after his father's old boss than he does his own father, at least politically speaking. From tax cuts (and deficits, alas), to his personal conviction on aborrtion (sic), to aligning America with the historical tide of liberty in the world, George W. Bush has proved that he's a Reaganite, not a "Bushie." He may not be a natural heir to Reagan, but that's the point. The party is all Reaganite now. What better sign that this is now truly and totally the Gipper's Party than the obvious conversion of George Bush's own son?

"He has played this presidency to the hilt of conservatism. Lowered tax burden on the wealthy, corporate welfare, used war as an economic tool, uncontrolled spending, judicial activism"
posted by REALPATRIOT

You have a hugely distorted view of conservatism. Conservatism is having the right to succeed without punishment. It is the right to fail and not have others be forced to help me, but let me help myself and accept help from those who offer. It is the right to live my life the way I want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Conservatism is saying to the government, "I don't want or need you in my day-to-day life." Conservatism is about philanthropy and helping out those around us who need it. Conservatism is wanting to conserve what we have today so our children can have the same benefits that we enjoy a generation from now. Conservatism is wanting to protect the citizens of this nation and preserve their rights.

Now that you've read that description, do you see anything about Dubya that would make him a conservative?

"It is tempting to blame Bush for everything. But it's not fair, and it's not honest. Bush is today who he always was. The difference is we conservatives pretty much loved the guy -- when he was a winner."

--conservative Rod Dreher

Conservative means:

1. Resistant to change. Obviously an inappropriate battlecry at this time.

2. Never spends more than he earns. Always seems correct, with exceptions for short term disasters.

3. Patriotic to a logical flaw, which comes back to haunt us from time to time.

4. Is generally assumed to be friendlier to the interests of Capital which stands firmly against the interests of labor. But a good samaritan can also be a conservative.

5. Uniquely in the United States, Conservatives wrap themselves in Religion, not just the flag. This practice reveals a possibly fatal flaw depending on how far removed from reality Religion takes us. In the interim it is an essential tool to placate the poor and middle class while the rich rob them all blind.

"Conservatism is saying to the government, "I don't want or need you in my day-to-day life."

Tell it to Mary Schiavo.
Tell it to abortion clinic bombers.
Tell it to the feds who raid medical marijuana clinics.

"If the GOP stuck with the goldwater philosophy instead getting GW BUSH elected at all cost this wouldn't be an issue."

Reagan trashed the Goldwater philosophy.
The problem with this Bush is that he had issues with the first Bush. Never elect a boy who is still trying to prove to Daddy that he is a man.

Never elect a boy who is still trying to prove to Daddy that he is a man.

Posted by danni

Well, you certainly won't have an arguement when it comes to Barry's Dad. Barry couldn't pick Daddy out in a small crowd.

You mean because his father is dead, Wis? What a fucking dick!

They need to go back to the conservative side and get rid of all thoes borrow and spend libs. While they are at it, they need to keep some good ethics.

"go back to" would imply that the Republicans were NOT the party of "borrow and spend" and HAD "good ethics" at some point. Would you care to tell the class when many Republican politicians were as you describe? I don't remember ever seeing it.

You mean because his father is dead, Wis? What a fucking dick!

Posted by mOntecOre

Do Barry and Michelle know?

"Tell it to abortion clinic bombers.
Tell it to the feds who raid medical marijuana clinics."
posted by NULL

Those are some aweful things that have been done by thse who mix conservatism with religion. True conservatism has nothing to do with religion except, "I have the right to belive what I believe and so do you and I have no right to enforce my beliefs on anyone else." The people who did these acts have strayed from this conviction.

Abortion should be legal. Marijuana should be legal. Prostitution, gambling, guns, etc, etc should be legal. These things have been made illegal by morality legislation, which has nothing to do with the fascism-anarchy scale of belief (I guess their all fascist really)

I assume Barack is aware that his father is dead:

"Barack Hussein Obama, Sen. Obama's father, was born and raised here. He was buried on the family farm just after his death from a car accident in 1982."

I suppose it's possible that was resurrected, and he now blogs from Wisconsin.

"Barack Hussein Obama, Sen. Obama's father, was born and raised here. He was buried on the family farm just after his death from a car accident in 1982."
Posted by mOntecOre

Did Junior bury him on the Rezco part of the farm?

Did Rezko have a farm in Kenya? Is Wisgod really this dumb?

No, and yes.

"Do you see anything about Dubya that made him conservative....?

Fascinating. Despite the obvious fact we libs have loathed this SOB for years and years now, you want to give him to us?

He's your dog. It's your mange and your heart-worms. If he didn't agree with your values you should have stopped the bastard cold in his tracks years ago.

You were begged to, as I recall.

It would help if the Republicans would attend to some small matters like ending the war, rebuilding New Orleans, working to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, making fair and honest mortgages more available, finding out if global warming is real and if so, doing something about it, restoring habeas corpus, stabilizing commodity prices, and getting the word out that ethanol is a fucking myth.

Instead, they vote- or incite the electorate to vote- on that most critical of "family values" issues, gay marriage. I know people who have become more favorably disposed toward gay nuptials simply because they are sick and goddamn tired of that issue being run into the ground by Rethuglicans, when there is real and serious work to be done.

The Bush nadir for some of us was when he was riding the most high. His supporters treated him like the Mahdi. You couldn't talk them out of it. Some of you remember.

Fuck Monte, you seem to know more about the old man than his son or Mom does.

Wis, are you saying that Barack's father is alive?

Wis, are you saying that Barack's father is alive?

Posted by mOntecOre

How the hell would I know? I sure as hell couldn't tell by listening to Junior Obama, or his bride. Oh wait, did he check out when she claimed she was finally proud to be an American?

"How the hell would I know?

Posted by wisgod at 2008-05-20 07:16 PM"

Gee, I don't know. Maybe try The Google on the Internets?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe try The Google on the Internets?

Posted by mOntecOre

That would mean I care more about the old man than his son, daughter-in-law do or ex-wife do/did.

Yeah, and you get more enjoyment from posting out of your ass about things you know nothing about. Douche.

Yeah, and you get more enjoyment from posting out of your ass about things you know nothing about. Douche.

Posted by mOntecOre

Oh, sorry little man. I didn't know you had a woody for your boy. Rather Corky-ish of you. Are you pissed off at all the crackers in Kentucky tonight too?

What's more frightening is watching Obama the Appeaser sail up in his ship full of holes.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-05-20 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:


Here we have another DR Righty who has no comprehension of the word 'Appease'

Typical though.

Having no idea that Barack's father is dead, and has been for some time, is par for the course for you, ain't it Wisgod? But you just keep on typing, at least Ride_on enjoys your stuff. Moron.

The problem with the GOP republican party is they have clearly shown the American people that they are not interested in their voice and direction.

People are getting dissatisfied with the constant support of the corporate world at the expense of the working majority.

The GOP will be back in 2010 with the majority in the house again because the people will see the democratic party for what they are, lazy do nothings pandering to corporate money. Since we get that with the republican party no need for the democratic party.

yea $War...I'm fedup w/ the GOP as well, and can't afford the demo/homo party..I say..let's get rid of all of'em, say, maybe starting w/ Ted Kennedy!

The GOP has learned the following:

You can fool some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. (Unless it's a room full of right wing douche bags.)

"He's your dog. It's your mange and your heart-worms"

thank you Zed.

Here we have another DR Righty who has no comprehension of the word 'Appease'

just ask him to give a valid example of Obama appeasing, well he can't 'cause he don't know what the word means but he heard Rush give this argument
(by FWTHOM's comment you may also say Reagan was an "appeaser", he negotiated with the nasty commies)

why is that righties insist on proving their ignorance, is it necessary to fail the test to be a rightie?

Increasingly, top Republicans are calling on their party to reinvent itself or risk driving away more voters and donors.

Too late now to save themselves after the last 8 years.
The Republican Party may as well just self-implode and hope a totally different party can rise from the ashes -- but that won't happen until many post-Bush years have past.

The Republican Party may as well just self-implode and hope a totally different party can rise from the ashes

Why should they? THey'll do what they always do: Let the Democrats do the self implosion bit and then step in and fill the vacuum. The Dems are well on their way to self destruction right now. All it would take to knock them all down right now is a well time primal scream from Howard Dean.

The repubs had a chance for a new path with Ron Paul and they rejected it. Only now that their party is toast, are they talking about "reinventing" themselves when the opportunity was there from the beginning and they were too stupid to see it.

Here is a party that would have given Enron and Exxon anything they wanted to. Who would allow the stacking of the Supreme Court and give away all freedoms just to keep Dick Cheney and his pet puppet happy.

Here is a party that said it would get UBL (bin Laden) "dead or alive", and then took one of the only functional secular nations in the Muslim world and destroyed it, enabled it's theocratic terrorists and tyrants to come to power, fueled a theocratic Shiite challenge to Saudi Arabi'a power in the Gulf Region, and let bin Laden become the love idol of the Islamist You-Tube set.

Here is a party that allowed its chosen pretty boy for "compassionate conservatism" prove that its standard of conservatism is neither compassionate, nor in keeping with Barry Goldwater's original thesis of what conservatism means.

And the party of clean air and clean water -- for those who can afford it. "Clean skies" is a bumper sticker for a program that losens environmental standards. And under GOP leadership, the government gives away headwaters of our most valuable drinking water supplies and pristine streams and allows big coal to tear off mountaintops to extract a few million bucks worth of hydrocarbons to burn.

Don't worry GOPs. You had control of almost everythiong except you didn't get to have a new Constitutional Convention that would have re-declared some legal residents of this nation as "1/5th of a person". Instead, you let the Executive Branch and the "Vice Presidential Branch" (ha!) of government enact Executive Orders and directives that reached much of those ends unilaterally.

Who cares if according to the GOP gospel "some people are more equal than others"? None of the GOPs do -- but they had better watch for November -- a lot of people who were denied the votes in the past are now registered. A lot of others who have made great sacrifices for the GOP led government over the past 8 years are now soured on what the GOP-led government of Cheney and Dubya really value.

Here is a party that would have given Enron and Exxon anything they wanted. That would allow the stacking of the Supreme Court and give away all freedoms just to keep Dick Cheney and his pet puppet happy.

Here is a party that said it would get UBL (bin Laden) "dead or alive", and then took one of the only relatively functional secular nations in the Muslim world and destroyed it, enabled it's theocratic terrorists and tyrants to come to power, fueled a theocratic Shiite challenge to Saudi Arabia's power in the Gulf Region, and let bin Laden become the love idol of the Islamist You-Tube set.

Here is a party that allowed its chosen pretty boy for "compassionate conservatism" prove that its standard of conservatism is neither compassionate, nor in keeping with Barry Goldwater's original thesis of what conservatism means.

And the party of clean air and clean water -- for those who can afford it. "Clean skies" is a bumper sticker for a program that loosens environmental standards. And under GOP leadership, the government gives away headwaters of our most valuable drinking water supplies and pristine streams and allows big coal to tear off mountaintops to extract a few million bucks worth of hydrocarbons to burn.

Don't worry GOPs. You had control of almost everythiong except you didn't get to have a new Constitutional Convention that would have re-declared some legal residents of this nation as "1/5th of a person". Instead, you let the Executive Branch and the "Vice Presidential Branch" (ha!) of government enact Executive Orders and directives that reached much of those ends unilaterally.

Who cares if according to the GOP gospel "some people are more equal than others"? None of the GOPs do -- but they had better watch for November -- a lot of people who were denied the votes in the past are now registered. A lot of others who have made great sacrifices for the GOP led government over the past 8 years are now soured on what the GOP-led government of Cheney and Dubya really value. (More profit for extraction-industry execs and the largest defense contractors and Arab oil sheiks. More power for the powerful. And a "get all you can get while you can get it" attitude. Thanks Dick! Thanks Dubya!)

Sorry for the almost double post. (DR needs an edit function or a retract previous function.)

Sorry for the almost double post. (DR needs an edit function or a retract previous function.)

Good point.. For a somewhat busy site such as this, the design and software could have been written by a 3rd grader. And in my 2+ years of coming here, nothing has changed. Rcade ought to think about taking some of those easy profits and putting them into the site..

Please, Please, Please don't confuse real conservatives with these right-wing nazi religious fanatics that are masquerading as conservatives these days.

That is the main problem with the repubs today...well, that and the closet homosexual thing.

Why should anyone believe the republicans? They had their chance and blew it. For the first time in 50 years they finally had the house the senate and the presidency and all they did was screw everything up. The republicans should have a closing up sale and retire the name "republican" because now it is synonamous with such terms as facist, racist, dictator etc.The would be the first step in reinventing the party.

Why should anyone believe the republicans? They had their chance and blew it. For the first time in 50 years they finally had the house the senate and the presidency and all they did was screw everything up. The republicans should have a closing up sale and retire the name "republican" because now it is synonamous with such terms as facist, racist, dictator etc.The would be the first step in reinventing the party.

Yes, that is true.. Next the dems will have the presidency, house and senate.. And they are going to do more of the same..

After that.. Can we finally get serious about talking about REAL change (not change the campaign buzzword) in this country? I mean the kind of change that scares the sheep and the elite! Until then, its all just blah blah tele-blah...

ohh, but the profits they made, yes the profits they made. How can it be called screwing up when so much money was taken. The beauty of it is there's no way to get it back.

"Do you see anything about Dubya that made him conservative....?"

Talk about intellectual dishonesty! The poster-boy for conservatism is now not a conservative? Wow.

Son, there is no shame in saying you were wrong. It stings a bit, but at least it makes you a man and not a child.

"Next the dems will have the presidency, house and senate.. And they are going to do more of the same.."

well, at least Republicans are hoping they will, at least they will claim that they do, most likely though we will enter an era of somewhat less corrupt leadership and work towards fiscal responsibility as per Bill Clinton. We probably also won't start any unnecessary wars. That alone will be a dramatic improvement.
If there were real justice the REpublican Party would cease to exist after the past seven years of absolute corrupt, incompetent leadership fueled by nothing except greed.

Looks like Chuck Hagel read it.

The domiant party always gets stale over time. The Republicans hae been in office so long that they act like Democrats -- avoiding serious issues and pissing away tax money on friends and favored projects. Because, ultimately, they are politicians.

As awful as it would be to have Democrats in charge, the Republicans need some time in the wilderness.

Posted by vernon at 2008-05-20 04:07 PM

Congratulations, Vernon gets his first Moment of Clarity (tm) Award, and didn't even need to fire up his legendary calculator to do it!

Keep up the good work and thanks for playing!

Perhaps if the Republicans remembered that they are supposed to be Americans first instead of Republicans first they wouldn't have ended up in this position.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-20 04:23 PM

Danni was on the right track for the Award, but not neutral enough, since the same could be said by substituting "Democrats" back in the 90's.

The fact that either party can discuss "reinventing" itself (which I define as creating a new set of lies that will get them elected) without getting laughed out of existence should really serve to point out what a sham our political process is.

Shouldn't politics be about ideas and not soundbites?