Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, May 15, 2008

President Bush launched a sharp but veiled attack Thursday on Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats, suggesting they favor "appeasement" of terrorists in the same way some Western leaders appeased Hitler in the run-up to World War II.

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I wonder how the Jewish voters will take this when Bush is in Florida promoting McCain.

Oh course, Barack Hussein Obama seeks reconciliation with the forces of evil since he's spend the last 20 years of his life with those bashing and debasing the United States, its actions, and its interests, and shares their world view and hatred of the United States.

As Chamberlain "talked to Hitler," and in his mind achieved "Peace in our time," to the accolades of peace-mongers, so Obama wants to "talk to" people driven by theological compulsions and do what? Convince them to set aside the Koran, and their theological beliefs, and accede the beliefs of Obama. Indeed, Obama is a narcissist, but others should not be confused by his perception of his image of himself. Does he want to convince them that he too as President would act against the interests of the United States and its people, so that they should cooperate with him?

The Islamics have their program. This "hem of the garment" mentality that the naive Obama has, is the product of unmerited egotism, and being so self-centered that he believes that others in the world will kowtow to him. Obama seems to consider himself "the chosen one."

By the way, adverseries of Obama have procured copies of "The Trumpet," the magazine published by Trinity, a publication to which Obama contributed, and which consistently demeans the U.S. in the same tone as the disseminated rantings of Rev. Wright. Obama blithely denies being aware of the content of the magazine publishing his writings. What a lack of curiosity.

Also, there is an issue of the publication in which the friendly pair, Candidate Obama and Minister Louis Farrakhan of the America-hating, white-hating, Jew-hating "Nation of Islam," appear together on the cover. That'll make a nice item to distribute close to election day. Not by simon-pure keep it clean McCain, of course, but by other advocates of amity.

As is said, "It ain't over 'til it's over," and "It ain't over until the fat lady sings."

Why even limousine liberals might be disaffected by the realization that Obama really is a willing and complicit advocate of black liberation theology, black separatism, black preference, and black bigotry. Will Obama's Alinsky street advocacy days as an agitator trying to stir up racial unrest, come back to haunt him?

"As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.'"
George "So I'm a C-Student So What?" Bush

That would have been Senator William E. "Big Mouth" Borah of Idaho who was a . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . Republican!

Give Chimpy a rimshot for that one.

Has he told the Israelis yet that he is really on his way to hold hands in Saudi Arabia and beg for more oil?

Appeasement? He doesn't know what it means.

Right Doc, the names have changed, but who is advocating pursuit of what failed policy now?

In retrospect, do you support Sen. Borah's position? Or do you think he was wrong?

Candidate Obama is now espousing what was Sen. Borah's position. Some people have learned something from history, and review of what happened, but apparently Candidate Obama has not.

So, are you for appeasement this round of history, Doc?

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
www.guardian.co.uk

Come on, Doc, are you now an idolator of the "If Obama supports it, it must be right," school? Are you a worshipper at the cult of the individual? Stalin? Hitler? Mao? Pol Pot? They all had those proclaiming fealty and paying homage to them, and accepted what they declared to be "the truth."

Is Obama now in that class for some of you lefties? Ignore content, and worship the revealed wisdom of the great leader? Is Great Leader Obama as great as North Korea Great Leader Kim Jong Il?

Are you in the entourage of the "Obama follow me" crowd?

Or do you differ from Obama and his proposed appeasement policies?

Aside from your introducing diversions, Doc, what is your evaluation of Obama's appeasement policies with Ahminejad for example.

Come on, how about your boy? Not Bush. Not yesterday. But the policies contained in Obama's proposals.

Are you willing to declare yourself, Doc? Willing that is, to declare yourself regarding Obama's appeasement policies. Since "Great Leader" Obama has enunciated them, what now? Are you in lockstep with Obama's program?

Boy, you really do start bloviating early in the day, don't you, Johnson? You must be out of breath, your sails falling limp, by noon.

Anyway, you show me where Obama has advocated a policy of appeasement. I'm hardly a lockstepper, though I do find his candidacy an attractive one.

By the way, if you think talking with an adversary is "appeasement," then, please, don't even bother. It just makes you an lockstepper.

Well if anyone would know what it means to be a Nazi appeazer, it would be a member of the Bush Crime Family.

-I'm hardly a lockstepper

Ha. Haha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! !!


Barack H. Obama-Carter- Chamberlain....08!

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
! !!"

Getting a little hysterial as the Clinton campaign dies an agonizingly slow death because of hubris, arrogance, and mendacity? Here, Corky, here's a prayer cloth. Now, go dry yourself off.

Unlike you, Corky, I actually do think for myself. I thought Obama's speech on the day of the West Virginia primaries stank. I think it's silly for him to put that flag pin in his lapel. I think he's done poorly in some of the debates. I will, however, certainly vote for him over McCain. You, on the other hand, have had your nose so far up Hillary's ass for so long that every time she cuts a frijole fart you think you're being inundated with Chanel No. 5.

I think your best I-don't-have-to-think-Hillary- does-it-for-me performance has been over the numbers needed to win the Democratic nomination. That one was the piece de resistance, a real humdinger. One day it's one number and then---poof!---it's another number because that nice Mr. Wolfson says so.

LOL

Bush is a little confused. We are the aggressors, we invaded Iraq and Iran fears our attack not the other way around. Any appeasing being done is being done by the Iranians to try to stave off the invasion or bombing.
So, I hate to make the analogy but Bush started it, Bush is more similar to Hitler than Obama is to Chamberlain.

lockstep (lkstp)
n.
1. A way of marching in which the marchers follow each other as closely as possible.
2. A standardized procedure that is closely, often mindlessly followed.


Sarvis, this describes you and most of the other Bawackjobs on this site perfectly. Shave your
heads, lop off your nuts, and get that head-sized plastic bag ready for your magic space ride to change on Comet Obama

Cookfish

Like your opinion means anything pants pisser. You voted for Bush.

Bob, I've moved you up to your own category of "Depends-defiling drooling lonely mindless conspiracy theorist", which certainly is a more interesting classification than your average lockstepper. Congrats, and keep the encouraging words coming.



Lacking any apparent knowledge of DNC primaries, among a vast host of other things, Doc Stalksus fails miserably in the fact department yet again.

Before MIFL's delegates were said not to be counted, the Magic Number was 2209. After MIFL votes are counted, it will again be.... 2209.

Yesterday in MI before an underwhelming crowd of 200 people, Obama said , "If I'm fortunate enough to be the Democratic nominee, I can guarantee you that Michigan delegation will be seated and they'll have a full voice at the convention,".

That last part about them having a full voice at the convention being different than his previous vague, non-committal, "they'll be seated" ploy.

Meaning that MI (and FL) delegations will have full voting rights. So the number is 2209, again, after MIFL is resolved.

There now. And I didn't even charge you for the lesson.

btw, the idea that you have been anything other than a lock-step, goose-step, Barrackoli-chewing, Obamateur penis-replacement tool is what was so funny.


On topic, you might want to pace yourself, as this bully pulpit attack is just starting, and po' widdle Bawack is going to need all the tools he has at his disposal.

Including you.

Cookfish

Like your opinion means anything pants pisser. You voted for Bush.

As far as I can see, Cookedfish, your opinion is taken seriously only by Corky, who drifted out of earth orbit quite a while ago. Even the rightnuts don't pay much attention to you, and certainly aren't going to crawl into the same pew with you. (Peeee-yew!)

I am surprised, thought, that they let you have computer access during in-library detention. Must be in gratitude for picking up all those attendance slips.

Like your opinion means anything pants pisser. You voted for Bush.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-15 10:58 AM


Like your opinion means anything pants pisser. You voted for Bush.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-15 11:07 AM

What one does when his brain is so tiny he is unable of coming up with an original thought.

"Irrelevant, unless he has 2024
Posted by Corky at 2008-04-26 10:41 PM"

"It'll be over when someone reaches 2209.
Posted by Corky at 2008-05-07 11:07 AM "

-who drifted out of earth orbit quite a while ago

Translation: who's opinions are different than the Obamafied PC crowd around here.

Those quotes are quite accurate, btw, given the dates and context.

And one of the weakest retorts I've ever seen.

Corky you are so pathetic it really has me laughing this morning. You and McCain. Hahahaha.

But I have to admit, it's not a far reach to go from Clinton to Bush. They're in the same league. Maybe the same team. Bottom of the ninth and two outs and they still think their lies matter to the America people.

Appalachia loves them both!


Appalachia loves itself. And it's sister.

"But I have to admit, it's not a far reach to go from Clinton to Bush. They're in the same league."

That is a bit of a stretch. Say what you want about Hillary but sorry she ain't a neocon war monger.

It'll be over when someone reaches 2209.

It's 2210 now if you listen to Clinton. Not that that's a real number.

The DNC rules allow for seating half the delegates from MI and FL.

C. 1. a. Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party
provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes
the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior
to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the
event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after
such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to
the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by
fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty
(50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National
Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from
that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In
determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's
delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the
nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the
next nearest whole number.

Jew-hating "Nation of Islam," appear together on the cover. That'll make a nice item to distribute close to election day. Not by simon-pure keep it clean McCain, of course, but by other advocates of amity.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-15 09:32 AM

Hey Big Johnson,

Why Is McCain Behind Obama In The Polls In The National Polls And With Jews ?

www.gallup.com

www.gallup.com

The GOP Is In The Shit House Period So your Dissertation Is Pure Bullshit, This Is All Post Rezco, Rev Wright, Weathermen. The ENTIRE Nation Has Heard ALL About Them And It Is ALL Out In The Open, So Lets See Is Obama Still Ahead in The National Polls Against McCain ? Hell Yes He Is !!!

Did The GOP Try There Damn Best To Throw Obama, Pelosi And Rev Wright At The Last 3 Congressional Seats, Hell Yes !!

These Were Seats They Have Held For Decades, On Seat The Have Held For 90 Fucking Years !!

With The Newspapers,The Internet, 24 HR News, And All Your Family Friends And Neighbors "ALL" I Repeat "ALL" The NEGATIVE CRAP On Obama Is Out For "All" To See, PERIOD !!!


So Please Continue To Dream On !!

-Sarge

Hillary isn't a necon. LOL. She voted for the war and how many times did she vote to continue funding the war. Face the truth Dems. Bush would NEVER have been able to launch a full scale invasion of Iraq without the Dems continued support.


Sooooo, why did Howard the Duck Dean/Obama take away ALL their delegates instead of half as under the rules?

If MIFL is worked out with no penalty, it will be 2209-10. You can calculate what it would be with a 1/2 delegate penalty.


Danni, these guys have been calling her cunt and whore and Bush (same thing) so long that neo-con is no stretch for them.

Say what you want about Hillary

I don't need a permission slip to do that. Of course I was referring to her lack of credibility and abundance of delusion. On that, and actually many other respects, Bush and Clinton are much the same. They're both LYING egomaniacs.


But I guess not everyone is on the same page with Bush. Some people make it past the Table of Contents.


"The United States should construct a combination of incentives and pressure to engage Iran, and may have missed earlier opportunities to begin a useful dialogue with Tehran, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said yesterday."

Sarge the fact that McCain is only up 6 points against McCain is not good. John Kerry was up 20 points at the same time in 2004.

Johnson,

Care to explain how it is Obama is an appeaser but Bush isn't it when what he is condemning others for is the policy of his own administration?

www.drudge.com

Sooooo, why did Howard the Duck Dean/Obama take away ALL their delegates...

Because they're stupid.

I say let them send NEUTRAL electors to the convention and let them vote on the floor. By then it won't matter.

"Those quotes are quite accurate, btw, given the dates and context."

From the Clintonista perspective one number was accurate until she and her minions realized they'd blown the campaign, at which point what was previously an accurate number became an inaccurate number and what had previously been inaccurate number became an accurate number. As in, "no longer operative."

Too funny. I'll bet you're a whiz with fishes and loaves.


Having so little context yourself, it is no wonder you are so unfamiliar with the concept.

In context, 2024 was in a conversation not including FLMI, 2209 was in one that did.

I know this is difficult for uyou, but it is no harder than when Mom and Dad sat down and explained to you about Oz being your brother/uncle.

Or do you differ from Obama and his proposed appeasement policies?

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-15 09:48 AM

Oh Really?

Rice orders diplomat to stay for talks on North Korea

www.chron.com

Rice Pushes for Renewed North Korea Talks

archive.newsmax.com


Gates called for direct talks with Iran.

President Bush has nominated former CIA Director Robert Gates to replace Donald Rumsfeld. WSJ reports, "In the summer of 2004, Gates and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski co-chaired a task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations that argued for opening a dialogue with Iran. The task force's report ["Iran: Time for a New Approach"] contended that the lack of American engagement with Iran had harmed American interests, and advocated direct talks with the Iranians."

thinkprogress.org

Gates says U.S. wants diplomacy to solve Iran disputes
April 5, 2008

abcnews.go.com


Libya turns over nuclear equipment
Banned gear to be studied, destroyed at U.S. arms plant

In a surprise agreement in December that followed nine months of secret talks, Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy pledged to turn over his country's weapons of mass destruction to U.S. and British authorities and to halt Libya's nuclear development program.

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.

www.sfgate.com

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.

-GWB


WOW !! Ain't That Some Shit Bush Touting Diplomacy With A Feared Terrorist Dictator !!


Now You Explain That One !!

-Sarge

Or do you differ from Obama and his proposed appeasement policies?

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-15 09:48 AM

Oh Really?

Rice orders diplomat to stay for talks on North Korea

www.chron.com

Rice Pushes for Renewed North Korea Talks

archive.newsmax.com


Gates called for direct talks with Iran.

President Bush has nominated former CIA Director Robert Gates to replace Donald Rumsfeld. WSJ reports, "In the summer of 2004, Gates and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski co-chaired a task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations that argued for opening a dialogue with Iran. The task force's report ["Iran: Time for a New Approach"] contended that the lack of American engagement with Iran had harmed American interests, and advocated direct talks with the Iranians."

thinkprogress.org

Gates says U.S. wants diplomacy to solve Iran disputes
April 5, 2008

abcnews.go.com


Libya turns over nuclear equipment
Banned gear to be studied, destroyed at U.S. arms plant

In a surprise agreement in December that followed nine months of secret talks, Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy pledged to turn over his country's weapons of mass destruction to U.S. and British authorities and to halt Libya's nuclear development program.

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.

www.sfgate.com

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.

-GWB


WOW !! Ain't That Some Shit Bush Touting Diplomacy With A Feared Terrorist Dictator !!


Now You Explain That One !!

-Sarge

In context, 2024 was in a conversation not including FLMI, 2209 was in one that did.

A mini-masterpiece of obfuscation, even for you.

Let's see now, what happened between April 26 (when 2024 was the magic number) and May 7 (when 2209 became the magic number)? Oh, right, the North Carolina primary.

"Irrelevant, unless he has 2024
Posted by Corky at 2008-04-26 10:41 PM"

"It'll be over when someone reaches 2209.
Posted by Corky at 2008-05-07 11:07 AM "


So you were against counting Florida and Michigan before you were for them being counted? What a coincidence, so was Hillary!


Mom and Dad sat down and explained to you about Oz being your brother/uncle.

Still with the Appalachia thing...

Who thinks Corky's dad is Janet Reno?


Sarge the fact that McCain is only up 6 points against McCain is not good. John Kerry was up 20 points at the same time in 2004.

Posted by timbci at 2008-05-15 11:50 AM

Bush Is Not McCain; McCain Has ALWAYS Had A Higher Support Than Bush With Jews Because Of His Relationship With Joe Lieberman So It Is GREAT !!!

-Sarge

Pelosi: Bush comments 'beneath the dignity of the office'
www.politico.com


Memo to Nancy Pelosi: Bush has no dignity.

Biden: Bush's comments were 'bullshit
www.politico.com

Excerpts:

"This is bullshit, this is malarkey."

""He is the guy who has weakened us," he said. "He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It's his [own] intelligence community [that] has pointed this out, not me."

Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?" Biden asked. "Is he going to fire Condi Rice?"

Did anyone notice that Bush did not name Obama specifically? Oh, it was suggestive,you say. Or, how do we say, "privately acknowleged by unnamed sources"? Was that their guess or an assumption?

But apparently the shoe fit so Obama has spoken out. BAHHH!

Bush, speaking from Jerusalem.
Nuff said.

Here's why they're "really" talking trash about Obama:

www.salon.com

God forbid a politician put America's interests first, and have an unbiased opinion when putting that into practice.

I wonder who will get the Jewish vote. Will it be McCann, the shoe salesman when he makes Lieberman his VP or Hillary when who makes Bollomberg her VP

I wonder who will get the Jewish vote. Will it be McCann, the shoe salesman when he makes Lieberman his VP or Hillary when who makes Bollomberg her VP
Posted by timbci

Good question.

Here's another article on why Obama is getting smeared in the press.

www.antiwar.com

Say what you want about Hillary but sorry she ain't a neocon war monger.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-15 11:39 AM

She is whatever you want her to be...just look at all her positions.



Have you ever checked out who the first real neocons were?


......does Johnson ever get tired of being wrong?....

......by now....he should have some sort of "error fatigue syndrome"......

Do you ever tire of typing like a retard?

DANNI

Say what you want about Hillary but sorry she ain't a neocon war monger.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-15 11:39 AM


You're correct, Danni. Hillary is the only viable choice of the three. Obama is too wet behind the ears and his wife doesn't even like America! McCain is Bush - Part 3. So it now looks like I have to make a choice and pick Hillary.

I never in my wildest thoughts ever figured I'd even consider Hillary -- too much Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. But stuck with only three choices I refuse to pick the Neocon toady McBush and the UNVETTED Obama I believe has more "surprises" that will be brought to light by the Republicans just before the election that will end up giving us McCain -- more Bush by proxy.

So forced to make a choice among the three, I would pick Hillary. I only made that decision in the last couple weeks after looking hard at her stand on some of the issues. Many of them I don't agree with her but unless they elect me as President -- which would be a darn good idea for this country to do! (grin) -- I'll just have to accept the least worst (worse?) of the three candidates which right now is Hillary.

Remember Jackie Gleason and "The Honeymooners"?
The choices we're left with in this upcoming election remind me of what Jackie Gleason's best buddy Norton used to say all the time on the Honeymooners --

"What a revolting development this is!"

"You sure it's K-nesset? You sure? Ok, I'm ready"

-Dumbass.

Hopefully Bush gives Israel the green light to start the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities. Dems won't do it when they're in charge.

YEAH!

And boy oh boy did ever respond when Bush went into his America Bashing Tirade!

BUSH gave up MEAT for LENT!

Where is the extensive media coverage of the asshole-in-chief slandering everybody that doesn't agree with his bullshit?

What is it about him that keeps the democrats cowed down and the media complicit in his lies and deceptions?

We are really in dumb-down mode now. This is one reason the repubs are going down (and I don't mean on each other).

BUSH gave up GOLF for WAR!

DROP a bomb? Typical rightwinger knee jerk reaction!

Do you REALLY want to BOMB nuclear facilities? Are you not concerned about all that radioactivity being stirred up and going global?

Is it ANY wonder WHY the right is loosing elections now? PRAISE THE LORD that reactionaries like FWTHOM are a dying breed!

Seems to me Bush's actions have killed and injured Americans, damaged America's financial future and destabilized the middle east far more than any Islamic terrorist could imagine in a wet dream.

Geroge W. Bush - America's #1 Terrorist



"Helloooo, Knesset!"

www.youtube.com

Hopefully Bush gives Israel the green light to start the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities. Dems won't do it when they're in charge.
Posted by fwthom at 2008-05-15 04:23 PM


Okay, if you believe that nuclear weapons are the problem, why not invade and secure North Korea from their dictator? Or Pakistan - which is supposedly where Osama Bin Laden is "hiding out"? You have ZERO reasons for not securing Saudi Arabia from their own internal terrorists - plus, they HATE YOUR "AMERICAN VALUES".

Uh, and since when has Israel made any concessions about owning nuclear weapons? Are you telling me that Israel has been lying about their true weaponization capacity and intentions?

Well fuckwit, you have some typing to do.

That's what the right wing religious fanatics want. they believe that if they can hurry up the armegeddon, then jesus will come take them away to glory.

what a bunch of ignorant retards. Seriously folks they are the biggest enemy. Look over the history (jesus freaks can find someone to read it to them) and see the churches involvement in world affairs, then put nukes in the hands of those church leaders.....

Talk about pandering.

Bush is going to have a sore jaw after this trip, first blowing the Israelis and then going down on the saudi alquedia royalty.

At least the jews don't make him dance like a trained monkey.

Fun with Christians Lesson #1

Next time you are around a religious fanatic of the christian variety ask them to show you where in their bible it says anything about a 'rapture' (for you intelligent people the rapture is supposedly when jesus takes the righteous away before the final battle.

Fun with Christians Lesson #2

Ask them what the number 666 means as it is written in the original biblical text. In hebrew, each letter is a number also. The number in the original text spell out 'julius ceasar'.

The original # was 616. Not kidding.

Ambody see Chris Matthews rip the nuts off of an ignorant young conservative whack job trying to defend Bush's use of the word "appeasement"? The young little prick was the TYPICAL loudmouth neocon firebrand - lobbing accusations and repeating talking points - until Matthews exposed his TOTAL ignorance of history.

Look for it on youtube, I'm sure it'll find its way there - it's awesome.

Mid I Just Saw It It Was So Damn Funny !!!

Always Opening Their Big Damn Dumb Mouth Not Knowing A Damn Thing !

-Sarge

Did the Knesset give Bush the "must nuke Iran by" date yet? Of course if McBush gets elected there won't be quite as much pressure on the Knesset to get it done before Bush leaves office since McCain will just be a continuation of the Neocon "nuke 'em first, get proof later" Bush pre-emptive military politcy.

politcy = policy

Sooo based on your anti bush rants, do the dr left finally admit that Iran IS trying to enrich uranium in order to build a bomb? That's a change.

I take it that you all approve of their "right" to build the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, to hell with the UN security counsel?

On a side note I hear Al gore is blaming the chinese earthquake on global warming......

The joke is how the Obama and Pelosi are saying Bush's comments are directed at democrats. a general statement that negotiating with terrorists is a wrong, is a statement of FACT. It's like the dem's racing to say they are being called "unpatriotic", when NO ONE has said that.

Godwins Law if FULL effect.


Godwins Law in FULL effect.


President Bush committed political treason today

But what Bush did in Israel this morning goes well beyond the accepted confines of American political debate, When the president speaks to a foreign parliament on behalf of our country, his message needs to be clear and unambiguous. Our democracy may look messy to outsiders, and we may have our disagreements with some sharp elbows thrown around, but at the end of the day we are not Republicans or Democrats or liberals or conservatives.
We are Americans.

And you, Mr. Bush, are the leader of us all. To use a diplomatic setting on foreign soil to score a cheap political point at home is way beneath your office, way beneath your country, and way beneath the people you serve. You have been handed an office once uplifted to great heights by fellow countrymen from Washington to Lincoln to Roosevelt to Eisenhower, and have plunged it so deeply into the Karl-Rove-and-Rush-Limbaugh-
fueled world of political destruction and survival of all costs that have lost all perspective -- and all sense of decency. To travel to Israel and to associate a sitting American senator and your possible successor in the Oval Office with those who at one time gave comfort to an enemy of the United States is, in and of itself, an act of political treason

www.philly.com

soner gw gets impeach, the sooner our country rediscovers why we have a Constitution, not a monarchy serving foreign interests!

That may ALMOST be a fair charge.

The Dems have given him almost everything he's wanted since they took over Congress.
They have appeased the terrorist dictator at every turn.

Ambody see Chris Matthews rip the nuts off of an ignorant young conservative whack job trying to defend Bush's use of the word "appeasement"? ......

Posted by midiman at 2008-05-15 05:28 PM


Having worked for Carter, Matthews is a little sensitive when it comes to appeasement.

As I posted on the backpage, just hours before Bush was making this statement his Defense Secretary, Roberts Gates, said the following in regards to Iran:

"We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them. If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can't go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us."

This after recently Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michale Mullen said, "I'm a big believer in resolving this diplomatically, economically and politically. The military aspect of this, which I think is a very important part of the equation and must stay on the table is an option of "last resort."



Sitting next to Bush, he called him "the most supportive United States president in Israel's 60-year existence."

Bushit is more supportive than the president who gave the land to them in the first place?


How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
www.guardian.co.uk

Posted by Doc_Sarvis


no not FF flag here rcade...

Having worked for Carter, Matthews is a little sensitive when it comes to appeasement.

Posted by mato


JC's appeasement routine in full force here:>)

Carter: "US Candidates MUST do as Israel says"

www.youtube.com

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat

Hence the title right Rcade?

Seriously, what's with your headlines lately? This is getting a little silly...

this headline is a fuckin god damn lie and each and every one of you know fuckin well that it is and you run with it anyway.
problem with the whole idea behind what bush said is that each of you knows he is telling the truth about the nazi appeasers of that time.

but the MAIN REASON BEHIND this fuckin lie is...its another plank in the democrat campaign for barry hussein obama.......one more way to show that THE SLIGHTEST attack on his policy is a racists attack....
and we AINT BUYIN IT..........it will NOT WORK....maybe in the land of chronkite or before we grew balls against the east coast media, but NO MORE.

"George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel," Obama's statement said.

President Bush didn't say you did Obama...

Odd that he would come out protesting so much when he wasn't even mentioned...

what a bunch of ignorant retards. Seriously folks they are the biggest enemy. Look over the history (jesus freaks can find someone to read it to them) and see the churches involvement in world affairs, then put nukes in the hands of those church leaders.....

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-05-15 05:04 PM | R


you liberal dipshit......have you ever heard of suicide bombers....are they kissing crosses around their necks before they kill innocents...NO they pray to allah....
do they yell out.....PRAAAIISSEE JEAAASSSUUZZZ..and have some of the dumbest hairdos this side of 1958?


no ...they yell....death to america allah is great....what a fuckin putz!!!!!!

this headline is a fuckin god damn lie and each and every one of you know fuckin well that it is and you run with it anyway.

McCain's Pastor...

McCain offers strange praise of Mafia...

Bush calls Obama, Dems Nazi appeasers...

two horrendously misleading headlines and now one outright lie... Bush did not call any Democrat a Nazi Appeaser... Hell if you wanted it to be just misleading you could have said he called them "Terrorist Appeasers," since that's our actual enemy... why would he call them "Nazi Appeasers?" We're not fighting Nazis... asshole.

oh SHIT this is great....what wonderfull fodder for mccain this is....dont you guys realize that obama is taking himself right out of the oval office with his comments about this.....


MEMO.......all references to the word.......FUCK >.....in my posts is simply to show you how FUCKIN stupid many of your liberal posters look when thats all they can come up with and to those who responded with the typical response....NO ....I will not shut the fuck up and fuck myself....
and thank you for your part of this social experiment..............hee hee

Obama clashes with Bush in Nazi appeasement row

Barack Obama today accused President Bush of launching a "false political attack" after he appeared to compare the Democratic presidential hopeful's foreign policy to appeasement of the Nazis.

www.timesonline.co.uk

"We have heard this kind of rhetoric coming from folks like Bibi Netanyahu frequently, in terms of comparing Ahmedinejad to Hitler, and Iran to Germany.
"But for Bush to open his mouth and say this (in front of the Knesset and the world) is truly, horrifically amazing.

"And particularly so, in light of the fact that Defense Secretary Gates has also just stated that he sees negotiation with Iran as the logical way out of the current stalemate." M.R. of WRH



Impeach GW Now!

and oh yeah......just go back and REAALL SLOWLY READ THE headline and if you HEARD BUSH LIKE I DID and didnt just read this little portion, then you really havent done enough to make a comment.
there was no way anyone with half a brain would think that he was calling anyone a nazi appeaser.
he was making a reference to a HISTORICAL FACT about what happened about the biggest appeasement in history occured......and MILLIONS OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS DIED BECAUSE OF IT.....hello....hello??????

I assume McCain's pastor, Hagee, agrees with Bush.

Rogers I'm gonna put this on the backpage

Obama Treats Reporter Like A Whore

Even though he only called her "Sweetie." Will it make the front page unedited?

and MY opinion is that this is typical reaction to anytime the left has a mirror raised up to thier face to show them who they REALLY are and they have to change the focus because what everyone sees are more reasons why its so critical to keep the black man and the woman out of the oval office....
( OH NO>......Im a racist and a sexist....I called obama a black man.....holy shit....HEY HONEY>.....IS MY WHITE SHEET OUT OF THE DRYER YET..)

How about at least Bush IMPLIES Obama, Dems Nazi Appeasers...

at least try to be honest...


I assume McCain's pastor, Hagee, agrees with Bush.

Posted by nullifidian

ff!!

I assume McCain's pastor, Hagee

another FUCKIN LIE....

but I understand......you mean it as a joke....but if you were to post that in a paper or
something like that.....people would believe it..
well until me or rob would TELL THEM THE TRUTH.....

I know Gates says we should talk.
I know Condi says we should talk.
What the hell do they know?
Traitors.
I know.
Trust me.
Yr friend,
John "If That Botox In My Head Gets Any Tighter I Won't Be Able To Blink" McCain

PS: That's it. We're gonna have a court of inquiry on those missing strawberries.

Even though he only called her "Sweetie." Will it make the front page unedited?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


more sweeties?

www.flirt4free.com

"well until me or rob would TELL THEM THE TRUTH....."

You're right, Bushlover. I forgot. Parsley is McCain's pastor.

Gotta get some hoagies... will check back on this bullshit thread later...

Let's go to the video tape. John McCain's pastor:

www.motherjones.com

So, are you for appeasement this round of history, Doc?

Posted by Johnson


I'm finally starting to "get" Johnson. I know; I'm slow. I now realize that Johnson is a fake. Nobody can be ridiculously stupid enough to support a president who holds hands with those who attacked us on 9-11 and calls other people appeasers.

The real McCain:

bravenewfilms.org

he was making a reference to a HISTORICAL FACT about what happened about the biggest appeasement in history occured......and MILLIONS OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS DIED BECAUSE OF IT.....hello....hello??????

Posted by bushlovertwo

2 wrongs = 2 wrights?

Gaza: The children killed in a war the world doesn't want to know about

"I was always with him. He was an innocent person, kind. He was talking to me about how he was going to inherit part of his father's land and farm it and how he was going to get married and stay here." Nayef added tearfully: "He was a boy who had hopes. He wanted to live his life." He added: "What is my daughter going to think? She is going to grow up hating the Israelis."

www.uruknet.de

A Shameless Barbarity- Torture: a Bully's Creed

The brilliance (as well as the snakiness) of the reasoning! It speeds right past huge moral and ethical requirements without fulfilling any, preempting any debate at the ethico-judicial, or legislative, level, forcing the debate way past the point of acceptance, zipping right to a fallaciously thrown together conclusion. And the conclusion: "Who? We? Torture?"
Exactly. No reasoning at all. Thus, the brilliance!

www.uruknet.de

McCain Adviser: Christian Right a "Serious Problem"

Clinton adviser Ann Lewis tacked to the right, criticizing Obama for saying he'd meet with the President of Iran and for suggesting that a US President needn't have to echo the policies of the Likud Party in order to be "pro-Israel." "The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel," Lewis said. "It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties."

www.thenation.com

who's doing this type of work of love these days? Jesus lover ~ GW?

George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel," Obama's statement said

and of course NO ONE from the left wants to even acknowledge what obama said in a debate.....when asked if he would meet with any leader of a terrorist state with no conditions, he said YES....so even if you say that bush was talking about obama,........HE WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! and the proof is in obams's OWN WORDS......


but again......the REAL PROBLEM here is that people are voting for obama for the following reasons

he's black
they read LIES LIKE THIS HEADLINE
they have fallen for his style with no substance
he's black
he's a dem
he's black


OH NO...ROB....ROB/........help me please......I called hussein obama a BLACK MAN.......IM a racists.......
OOPS: ......holy shit.....I USED HIS MIDDLE NAME TOO.......oh no......a racists and I hate ALL MUSLIMS.......aaaaaaarrrrrrrrr rrggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"...holds hands with those who attacked us on 9-11 and calls other people appeasers."


Posted by RastaCyborg


good point, but then maybe they weren't really that in on it in the first place?:>)


The Israeli Spy Ring

ALL LINKS TO CARL CAMERON'S FOX NEWS STORY ON THE ISRAELI SPY RING HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF FOX NEWS.

However, you can still view them HERE

--

"Israel does not spy on the United States of America."
-- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington

Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year. Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon.


www.whatreallyhappened.com

Israeli Spying:
The Mother of all Scandals

www.whatreallyhappened.com

"Gotta sit on some hoagies... will check back on this bullshit thread later...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-15 07:16 PM"

Sick dude!

(Children: Do not do this at home. This sort of behavior is against DR rules, and it will get you kicked off of here. You've been warned!)

OH NO...ROB....ROB/........help me please......I called hussein obama a BLACK MAN.......IM a racists.......
OOPS: ......holy shit.....I USED HIS MIDDLE NAME TOO.......oh no......a racists and I hate ALL MUSLIMS.......aaaaaaarrrrrrrrr rrggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Posted by bushlovertwo


"yawn" said Martin Lawrence apparently (or was it his muse ~ Richard Pryor?:>)

Gaza: The children killed in a war the world doesn't want to know about


BANI......you simply MAY NOT USE THIS reference without SOME mention of the daily rockets landing in israel...
to only use this makes anything else you say as irrelavant as the NOW gang after thier silence about monica.........talk about all of it, and I will read and listen.....
well after I eat this last couple of jumbo shrimp anyway

The headline isn't true. You libs will twist anything to suit your end.

"well after I eat this last couple of jumbo shrimp anyway

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-05-15 07:41 PM"

You can keep your jumbo shrimp. I've had king crab twice in the past week, and my king crab would kick your jumbo shrimp's ass.

okay here is a more entertaining analogy or whatever it is

to only use this makes anything else you say as irrelavant as the dictionary by my desk.....LOL

BANI......you simply MAY NOT USE THIS reference without SOME mention of the daily rockets landing in israel...
to only use this makes anything else you say as irrelavant as the NOW gang after thier silence about monica.........talk about all of it, and I will read and listen.....

Posted by bushlovertwo


ISRAEL'S TWILIGHT YEARS
Palestinians are increasingly rejecting the crumbs of a two-state solution in favour of justice for all in a single state, Palestine.

desertpeace.wordpress.com

The manifesto, published Thursday 15 May, comprises six points:

- Palestine: The historical land of Palestine is the patrimony and motherland of the Palestinian people which in the context of a durable and comprehensive settlement would accept Israelis as equal citizens in a unitary democratic state.

- The right of return: Every Palestinian forced to flee his homeland (Israel proper) has an inalienable right to return as well as receive compensation and reparations for the psychological, economic and social losses he or she incurred.

- Zionism: Zionism is an exclusionary ideology and part of the international colonialist movement, which created and consolidated a racist state for Jews at the expense of the Palestinian people, resulting in the murder and expulsion of over half the Palestinians. Hence, we see that this ideology must be declared illegal and the political infrastructure based on it dismantled.

- One state for all: The creation of one state in historical Palestine is the most just, realistic, moral and humane solution of the Palestinian question which would guarantee peace and stability in the region. The creation of a unitary democratic state encompassing Israelis currently living in Israel and Palestinians, on the basis of equality as citizens and justice for all regardless of religion, race or sex, is the ideal way of resolving this conflict that has been raging since the outset of the 20th century.

- Historical reconciliation: The one-state solution would serve as the beginning of a historical reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians that would erase the destructive effects of decades of occupation and colonisation. However, the process of reconciliation would have to be preceded by genuine acknowledgement of and apology by Israel for the historical injustices and losses inflicted on the Palestinian people. Moreover, Israel along with the international community would have to compensate the Palestinians for their suffering and losses.

- This vision requires the concerted efforts of the Palestinian people everywhere as well as the efforts of peace-loving Israelis and Jews and all men and women of good will around the world.

Such ideas are anathema for Israel, Zionism and the vast bulk of Jews, since they imply the ultimate dismantling of Zionism and the creation of a bi-national state where Palestinians would eventually have a numerical majority. They also represent a jolt to collective Palestinian thinking, long inured in the idea of Palestinian statehood.

"But as Qurei pointed out, the one-state solution will become the Palestinian option not as a matter of choice, but rather because all other alternatives have been effaced. Continued Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank...."

desertpeace.wordpress.com

Hell, you invade west viginny and i imagine daily rockets will also land.

Chris,

It was Riley on The Life of Riley who used to say:

"What a revolting development this is!"

Not Gleason's buddy Ralph.

It was the same time period though, late 50s.


The headline isn't true. You libs will twist anything to suit your end.

Posted by Sniper


Thursday, May 15, 2008
President Bush committed political treason today

But here's what he said:

JERUSALEM (CNN) In a particularly sharp blast from halfway around the world, President Bush suggested Thursday that Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats are in favor of "appeasement" of terrorists in the same way U.S. leaders appeased Nazis in the run-up to World War II.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," said Bush, in what White House aides privately acknowledged was a reference to calls by Obama and other Democrats for the U.S. president to sit down for talks with leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to the Israeli Knesset. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

www.philly.com

WITH 'FRIENDS' LIKE ISRAEL THE WORLD NEEDS NO ENEMIES
"Some people suggest that if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away," Bush said in his prepared address.

desertpeace.wordpress.com

ff

Bush's thoughts on foreign policy are about as useful as a creationist's thoughts on evolution.

Who hates the United States more?

A. Michelle Obama

B. Jeremiah Wright

C. Barack Obama

D. All of the above

Its hilarious watching the Hamas-left defend this asshole. Electing Obama president is like the Red Sox electing a life-long Yankee fan to be the GM. You cant put someone in charge of something they dont like. Obama and his ilk HATE this place--you cant lead something you hate

isnt bush the one giving money to the sunni insurgents?


appeasement? how bout surrender?

an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.'

That Senator was a Republican.

"Who hates the United States more?

A. Michelle Obama

B. Jeremiah Wright

C. Barack Obama

D. All of the above

Its hilarious watching the Hamas-left defend this asshole. Electing Obama president is like the Red Sox electing a life-long Yankee fan to be the GM. You cant put someone in charge of something they dont like. Obama and his ilk HATE this place--you cant lead something you hate

Posted by mark61099


Like I said, asshole, Hagee is McCain's Pastor, Bush called Obama a Nazi appeaser, and McCain advocates a 100 year war in Iraq. Those are facts.

Barack with your Cock Out!

You can keep your jumbo shrimp. I've had king crab twice in the past week, and my king crab would kick your jumbo shrimp's ass.

Posted by mOntecOre

Damn, you'r right. This economy realy sucks.

Don't you have any compassion? I haven't had crab legs for about a month now. Booo Hooo.

Its hilarious watching the Hamas-left defend this asshole. Electing Obama president is like the Red Sox electing a life-long Yankee fan to be the GM. You cant put someone in charge of something they dont like. Obama and his ilk HATE this place--you cant lead something you hate

Posted by mark61099

does Pedro count?

JC's appeasement routine in full force here:>)

Carter: "US Candidates MUST do as Israel says"

www.youtube.com

Posted by Bani


The title of that video is misleading. That is not what Carter is saying. He is saying that he understands the candidates cannot condone his actions if Israel disapproves for election purposes. It's not a blanket statement that candidates must do what Israel says.

Misleading title to push an agenda. Like the title of this thread.

That Senator was a Republican.

Posted by YAV


Or Hitler appeaser & Future Senator Prescott Bush ~ golf buddy to Ike's foursome?

McCain's Pastor sure is a nutcase:

www.youtube.com

The title of that video is misleading. That is not what Carter is saying. He is saying that he understands the candidates cannot condone his actions if Israel disapproves for election purposes. It's not a blanket statement that candidates must do what Israel says.

Misleading title to push an agenda. Like the title of this thread.

Posted by Mato


The Israeli Spy Ring

ALL LINKS TO CARL CAMERON'S FOX NEWS STORY ON THE ISRAELI SPY RING HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF FOX NEWS.

However, you can still view them HERE

100777.com

Fox News: Israeli Spyring
Filed under:USA Jewry, "Israel", Zionism...

May 28, 2003 - 11:36


It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc., the company which subcontracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again.

www.whatreallyhappened.com

oh, please....

It dawned on me why Obama is so popular. It's the Jimmy Carter syndrome. After suffering through Johnson and Nixon, the voters wanted a decent man for a president. And they got one in Carter, a decent man perfectly unqualified for the job. With what Bush is handing his successor, there won't be problem Obama can't make worse. Our political system is insa-a-a-ne!

bush was qualified for president?


barack with your cock out.

don't think I heard him mention obama or democrats at all in that speech. Am I missing something. Most likely he was discussing Hamas and other radical groups committing terrorist acts in Israel. No reason to get all up in arms about nothing.


It dawned on me why Obama is so popular. It's the Jimmy Carter syndrome. After suffering through Johnson and Nixon, the voters wanted a decent man for a president. And they got one in Carter, a decent man perfectly unqualified for the job. With what Bush is handing his successor, there won't be problem Obama can't make worse. Our political system is insa-a-a-ne!

Posted by Ray


I tend to agree, but then October Surprise had a Bush in the equation:>)

The Afternoon of March 30 || Neil Bush and His Family || ... by Dr Nathan Blumberg (my college journalism Prof:>)

SIDEBAR: Excerpts from an interview by Theresa Walla, in United Press International article, March 9, 1985
Journalism professor Nathaniel Blumberg was so disturbed about the investigation into the attempted assassination of President Reagan that he turned his suspicions into a 377-page novel.
In The Afternoon of March 30, Blumberg blends fact and fiction in looking at the unreported "connections" between Hinckley's family and that of Vice President George Bush, the man who came within a heartbeat of the presidency of the United States.
"What I'm really after is the case to be officially reopened," said the Rhodes scholar and former dean of the University of Montana journalism school. "If they can answer all the questions satisfactorily, I'll be delighted," he said in an interview. "In truth, I don't think all the questions can be answered without opening up a whole new can of worms."

www.nathanielblumberg.com

Bush family

en.wikipedia.org

Bush Family Values

"Hinckley married twice; first on December 6, 1641 to Mary Richards, and again to Mary Glover (nee Smith) on March 15, 1659. He may have had as many as 17 children; different sources disagree on the exact number. One of his children, Samuel Hinckley (whose mother was Mary Richards), was a direct ancestor of President George W. Bush, as well as an ancestor of the former president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gordon B. Hinckley."

en.wikipedia.org

odd...

Hey empty suit --Obama--

If the shoe fits--wear it!

Now he'll change his website--

What is Obamalarious is that he criticizes Bush for his administration and his foreign policy and not talking to terrorists like Iminthemnoodforjihad--Mr Jew hater--

He has probably criticized Bush--what 40 times!

But when Bush points the finger back and criticizes the messiah--the goofball screams FOUL!

He should have kept his mouth shut--but noooooo--and he can't stand it when there is a criticism--he is a dunderhead--like Null--

Obama says to talk with everyone--because he is so powerful and what would he say to the jew hater??

I----I----I----AM THE GREAT OBAMA----AND---AND---I--I--
want you to do as I say......????

PUUUULLLLLLESE!

Murphy


You can keep your jumbo shrimp. I've had king crab twice in the past week, and my king crab would kick your jumbo shrimp's ass.

Posted by mOntecOre at


YES!!!!!!!!!! AT LAST......a chance at SOMETHING bipartisan......
how about your CRABS.......uh... er......let me rephrase that......how about BOTH??????


and we can laugh at all the poor people who live in the streets and the old ladies who have their SS checks stolen and then we can beat up some kids who have no health insurance........you know.....we could be republicans together.

"He should have kept his mouth shut--but noooooo--and he can't stand it when there is a criticism--he is a dunderhead--like Null--"


Murphy, being called a dunderhead by you is a compliment. Really.

Back on topic, what about McCrazy's nutty Pastor?

www.youtube.com

I don't see why dems are upset by Bush's statement. Obama has said that he will surrender in Iraq and then get on his knees and beg to talk to our terrorist enemies. Isn't that appeasement?

May I extend you the same compliment, Nulli. :)

Like I said, asshole, Hagee is McCain's Pastor, Bush called Obama a Nazi appeaser, and McCain advocates a 100 year war in Iraq. Those are facts.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008


oh please.....if I didnt think you were just saying this to get a reaction, I would give you one. I am sure that all three of your contentions here are news to the people involved.

and lets look back at liberal points of interest.

they said the 2000 election was stolen by the sc and YET.........super delegates...a merry band of elitist and hoity toity, mucky mucks WILL SELECT THE democrat candidate.

and then they say....we are killing thousands of iraqis and YET.......when we leave in defeat like they are THIRSTING for, there will be thousands if not millions of iraqis killed...

and then they say, social security isnt broke, so mister bush leave it alone....and YET>......all of a sudden its the beginning of the end of the republic

and we could go on....but I have to wash down those JUMBO SHRIMP.......with NO CRABS......yuk yuk

"Obama has said that he will surrender in Iraq and then get on his knees and beg to talk to our terrorist enemies. Isn't that appeasement?

Posted by fwthom "

Excellent! A McCain supporter who admits that Bush was calling Democrats appeasers. It's very refreshing to get some honesty than all of this hair-splitting "depends on what the meaning of is, is" from Bush apologists.

NO where does Bush say Democrats, but the dem's say that he was talking about them! If the shoe fits!!!!

BTW How would you talk to hamas or hezbollah as their commanders directly pull the launch cord for a missile, launched from civilian areas, pointed at civilian targets??? Perhaps jimmy Carter can fill in here?



I am sure that all three of your contentions here are news to the people involved.
BushLeague


Really

McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"

www.youtube.com

George Bush doesn't talk to terrorists?

Not true.

He still talks to himself from time to time.

In terms of terrorism?

Dumbya has been much more of a supplier of the stuff than a recipient in his term of office.

The War in Iraq is one half a proxy war for Israel and the other half a resource war fer the benefit of Exxon, BP et al and with the US taxpayer footing the bill.

Some of those bills have been paid in blood.

The so-called War on Terror has furthered the rise of radical Islam not diminished it.

This was deliberate.

The deliberate further radicalisation of an area not particularily known fer it's stability is part of a game plan drawn from Israel's thirty year illegal occupation of Palestine which Spud has labelled the "We Can't Leave NOW" (TM) Plan.

Fer Dumbya to use the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the founding of Israel to make a political speech in order to "soften" Barack Obama fer the upcoming elections in November is, as Nancy Pelosi sed, an act not befitting the office of POTUS.

Not in the top ten of the man's crimes and misdemeanors but still it's a fuck up worth noting.

Bush empowers the radicals and disenfranchises the moderates with his insane two front war and still he has the temerity to liken the Dems to Nazi Appeasers?

The guy's a fucking Nazi himself so he at least gets himself some irony points fer this effort

...along with Spud's scorn.

Be Well.

.we could be republicans together.

Posted by bushlovertwo

had a dream the other nite with Dean Martin playing a soulful hit from his new album, "The Soul of GOP".


Then Martin Lawrence came by & ruin the dream...



John McCain is refusing to renounce the endorsement of a prominent Texas televangelist who Democrats say peddles anti-Catholic and other intolerant speech.

www.usatoday.com

George Bush doesn't talk to terrorists?

Not true."

Correct. He talks to Dick Cheney everyday.

It was hilarious how the Democrats all whined when the word appeasement was mentioned. And even funnier that when appeasement was mentioned they all thought of Obama.

ROFLMAO

Perhaps jimmy Carter can fill in here?

Posted by DavetheWave

he did:>)

Saturday, May 10, 2008

Carter says US tortures prisoners

www.cnn.com

The United States tortures prisoners in violation of international law, former President Carter said Wednesday. "I don't think it. I know it," Carter told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights," Carter said. "We've said that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo, and we've said we can torture prisoners and deprive them of an accusation of a crime to which they are accused."

read more
www.drudge.com
Posted by Bani at 06:39 PM | 10 COMMENTS | permalink

Bani we all know how worthless your rants ARE, why can't you answer even the simplest of questions?


George Bush doesn't talk to terrorists?

Not true."

Correct. He talks to Dick Cheney everyday.

Posted by nullifidian


ff & his doubles


Bani we all know how worthless your rants ARE, why can't you answer even the simplest of questions?

Posted by Daveyworthless


which is?

DaveTheWave.... a.k.a.: GWBs little rightwing bitch

Ironic when we see Bush appeasing the Israelis.

McCain Rebukes Giuliani on Waterboarding Remark

MICHAEL COOPER and MARC SANTORA
Published: October 26, 2007
Rudolph W. Giuliani's statement on Wednesday that he was uncertain whether waterboarding, a simulated drowning technique, was torture drew a sharp rebuke yesterday from Senator John McCain, who said that his failure to call it torture reflected his inexperience.


The Caucus: In His Words: Giuliani on Torture (October 25, 2007)
Times Topics:
Rudolph W. Giuliani

John McCain

"All I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot's genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today," Mr. McCain, who spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, said in a telephone interview.

Of presidential candidates like Mr. Giuliani, who say that they are unsure whether waterboarding is torture, Mr. McCain said: "They should know what it is. It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture."

www.nytimes.com

where's the confusion about GW's recent remarks that US doesn't torture? Or Obama & Dems candidates = appeasers?
Of course, McCain may have conveniently forgotten these debate points:>)

mato, snipe, blt and there rest of you frothing bloviators, who do you think bush was talking about in his speech when he said "some people..."? and man, it's humorous to see you fucks claiming misleading headlines, from the party that has mastered the mislead. keep tying you're making what was a boring evening of laundry into a classic!

It was hilarious how the Democrats all whined when the word appeasement was mentioned. And even funnier that when appeasement was mentioned they all thought of Obama.

Considering reporters asked and were told by the WH that yes, indeed Obama was the target, I don't know why you'd find this surprising. Not unless you only watched Dana the Liar at the Press conference denying everything that had previously been told to the reporters.

no shizzy, for the last month or so obama and appeasement have been in the news many times. but no it was just a general statement.


no shizzy, for the last month or so obama and appeasement have been in the news many times. but no it was just a general statement.

Posted by cjk85

says who? & who is the appeaser again?


1934: The Plot Against America

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

www.harpers.org


Israel: Bush means business on Iran nukes

Israel is fully satisfied with the results of the visit of George W. Bush, including policy on Iran's nuclear program, senior officials in Jerusalem said Thursday.

haaretz.com

"Setting aside the fact that Iran has no more nuclear weapons than Iraq did, what this comes down to is that under orders from Israel, the US will now violate the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. " M.R. of wrh

mato, snipe, blt and there rest of you frothing bloviators, who do you think bush was talking about in his speech when he said "some people..."? and man, it's humorous to see you fucks claiming misleading headlines, from the party that has mastered the mislead. keep tying you're making what was a boring evening of laundry into a classic!

Posted by cjk85 at 2008-05-15 09:44 PM


Well, I can only speak for this fuck.

Whether or not Bush was referring to the democratic leadership, it's funny to see how the dem leadership is having conniption fits and feeling guilty about what Bush said today.

His comments were correct and accurate. It forced the dems to take a long hard look in the mirror and they didn't like what they saw.

It's what the Israelis needed to hear after the messages the Democratic leadership have been sending.

As far as the title of the thread, it is misleading. If it said "dems see themselves attacked by Bush's comments" then it would be accurate.

"Whether or not Bush was referring to the democratic leadership..."

Anybody who denies that Bush was referring to Democrats is either a liar or an idiot.

it looks to me that you are having the conniption fit dingleberry.

or a shill? just maybe?

Who Are You Going To Believe: The Government or Your Thinner Wallet?

The government really does like to mess with its numbers, although the Bureau of Labor Statistics did state in their report that the price of gasoline was up, when it came time to record the price change for gasoline in their seasonally adjusted index, they recorded a decline in the price of gasoline. Here's the BLS in their own words:
On a seasonally adjusted basis, ...the transportation index declined 0.7 percent in April, reflecting a 2.0 percent decrease in the index for gasoline.

Wall Street rallied yesterday on this bit of bogus inflation data.

Here's the real scoop from The Daily Fuel Gauge Report from the Automobile Association of America: In April gasoline prices were up 11.5% from their price of $3.39 a gallon a month earlier. And, the cost of gasoline has risen 22% from its year-ago price of $3.10 a gallon.

nationaleconomist.com



so GW was referring to the Saudi's ~ his buddies ~ then in his "veiled" appeasements comments:>)LOL

Barrack Hussein Obama seems awfully hypersensitive about President Bush's perfectly appropriate comment. Bush never said Obama's name or said that he was talking about a candidate for President. He could have just as well been speaking of the former President Carter and his recent remarks.

Bush needs to do more of this. It was a very clever way (and I am not saying that Bush thought of it) to throw the Democrats on the defensive. Now people are going back to see what Obama has actually said... and it turns out that what he said is precisely what Bush alluded to. (Check Russert's interview with Obama when this was brought up) The video is out there for all to see. There's Obama saying he'd be pleased to have a sit down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the psychopath who PROMISES to murder 7.1 million people. The man who emphatically calls for the destruction of Israel and recently said that he wasn't a small child that was going to be talked or bribed out of his nuke program. The same nuke program that was first defended by the Iranians as an energy program?

Sounds like maybe if Obama is offended by Bush's remarks, that shoe must fit pretty darned well.

feeling guilty

They should. They have been appeasers to wanna be fascists.

Bush.

President Bush's perfectly appropriate comment.

Where's Osama?

Where's Osama?

Posted by Alexandrite


He was in West Virginia a couple days ago... today he's protesting too much somewhere in America... probably a mosque.

Bullshit headline still exists... Its really sad that its been around this long RCade...

President Bush's perfectly appropriate comment.

Where's Osama?



Hiding in a cave somewhere and probably protected by his friends, the Iranians. Anymore dumb questions?

Bullshit headline still exists... Its really sad that its been around this long RCade...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Sorry, the headline is perfectly legitimate. You can howl at the moon if you want; doesn't change the fact that Bush was calling Democrats appeasers.

Sorry, the headline is perfectly legitimate. You can howl at the moon if you want; doesn't change the fact that Bush was calling Democrats appeasers.



Link? LMAO

"Whether or not Bush was referring to the democratic leadership..."

Anybody who denies that Bush was referring to Democrats is either a liar or an idiot.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-15 10:24 PM


Anyone that declares their assumption as fact proves themselves an idiot.

Silly dems, "Methinks Thou Dost Protest Too Much!"

Whatever article this thread links to isn't the article quoted at the top.



"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.

We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Anyone that declares their assumption as fact proves themselves an idiot.


WH told reporters that Obama was the target, chump.

Some seem to believe

This is the MSM's and politicians favorite strawman. "Some believe...(insert bullshit here)"

Tired of this shit. Be a man and hit your targets. Instead we get the equivalent of: "Some believe babies are a tasty snack. And that's just wrong!"

Pure, ball-less pandering strawman bullshit.

WH told reporters that Obama was the target, chump.


Unnamed WH sources? Well, an unnamed source is about as credible as no source at all. Named sources at the WH have responded that it wasn't a direct hit on Obama.


But if you want to believe it was a direct hit on Obama, what's your beef? If he hadn't spouted the appeasement mantra on national television,you and Obama would be justified in your outrage. But he did.

Sorry, the headline is perfectly legitimate. You can howl at the moon if you want; doesn't change the fact that Bush was calling Democrats appeasers.

Posted by nullifidian


Feel free to quote where he did that, queer...

BTW dumbfuck, we're not at war with the Nazis!! So why the fuck would Bush call them Nazi appeasers? Interpretting the article the way you dumbshit libs want to he was calling Obama and the Dems TERRORIST APPEASERS... Fucking idiots... its not 1943... buy a calendar.

Not only is the headline a lie, its just fucking stupid...

Hilarious. Rightwing assclowns call Democrats appeasers all the time, and then cry like girlie boys, not because Bush does the same thing, but because he is getting called on it.

beef? If he hadn't spouted the appeasement mantra on national television

He didn't. EVERY politician that has espoused any iraq policy that is not "stay the course" gets branded an appeaser or traitor by the little minions of this administration. This same strawman has been used for 5+ years now.

Aren't you tired of being lied to by your govt? They're not even trying anymore...they view us as children, and I'm sick of it.

WH told reporters that Obama was the target, chump.

Posted by Alexandrite


They told reporters that Bush was going to call Obama a Nazi Appeaser... really... the new talking point is that Barack Hussein Obama likes the 1930s-40s Nazis?

I'm not sure that's going to play in November...

You're a fucking idiot Alex... and RCade since its your title.

An appropriate comment I read from another blog sums it up really well.


Even tho President Bush says he wasn't pointedly referring to Obama but the whole appeasement mindset in general, it's still funny that Obama immediately recognized himself as an appeaser and made sure everyone knew he was one by his over-reaction. Time to fire the political advisor in this campaign.

Rightwing assclowns call Democrats appeasers all the time

Yeah... terrorist appeasers... Where the fuck are there even Nazis for you queers to appease to?

Ray wrote:
"Ironic when we see Bush appeasing the Israelis."

"Exactly" flag

Even tho President Bush says he wasn't pointedly referring to Obama but the whole appeasement mindset in general, it's still funny that Obama immediately recognized himself as an appeaser and made sure everyone knew he was one by his over-reaction. Time to fire the political advisor in this campaign.

Posted by anamerican


Nail meet head...

"Feel free to quote where he did that, queer...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole "

That's an impressive retort.

IF YOU BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL STORY OF 9-11-01 Then Dubya is the appeaser since we are not fighting in Saudi Arabia since 15 of the 19 Hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and Dubya holding hands with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and redacted those 28 Pages of information implicating the Saudi Government for their involvement in 9-11-01 He is talking about Himself then.

Larry Mohr

Even tho President Bush says he wasn't pointedly referring to Obama but the whole appeasement mindset in general, it's still funny that Obama immediately recognized himself as an appeaser and made sure everyone knew he was one by his over-reaction. Time to fire the political advisor in this campaign.

Posted by anamerican at 2008-05-16 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag


Reps like you and your heros have been calling the dems appeasers every day for 5 years, moron.

Obama "saw it coming" because he's been paying fucking attention. And he's the main target since he's the presumptive nominee.

Jesus, you people are clueless. And then you go RIGHT TO calling Obama an appeaser and wonder how he knew what Bush meant. Yeah, it must be "guilt" Obama's feeling...it couldn't be that he's heard this shit from you stupid motherfuckers for years...

It couldn't possibly be that every person that disagrees even slighly with bushs iraq strategy is branded an appeaser or a traitor, could it?

But Obama heard the word "wolf" before W even got the whole word out because he's guilty! OF COURSE! Idiots...

"If he hadn't spouted the appeasement mantra on national television,you and Obama would be justified in your outrage. But he did."

Now this clown lies about Obama, and wants someone to take his denial of Bush's remarks seriously.

Where do these dipshits come from? Doesn't McCain's Pastor, Hagee, preach against lying?

Obama Treats Reporter Like A Whore

That's an impressive retort.

Posted by nullifidian


Even more impressive is your inability to point out where President Bush called Obama or any of today's democrats NAZI appeasers... douche.

Reps like you and your heros have been calling the dems appeasers every day for 5 years, moron

Nazi appeasers?

A better article for this discussion:

www.washingtonpost.com

Nice to see Rob spinning like a top, being on the defensive. Excellent.

Only someone totally stupid, or being purposefully obtuse, does not know what bush meant.

Naturally that includes rob the ahole. The same guy who wants to treat gitmo detainees, torture victims, and foreign immigrants as guilty until proven innocent...

Gives the republican party a total pass on their disgusting rhetoric since 9-11. Save your pathetic outrage for the next sports loss, rob. No one with a functioning brain stem is taking you seriously at this point.

Hey did anybody see this video of McCain's Pastor?

www.youtube.com

"Bush should be measured by the same yardstick. Meetings will not stop Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but neither will speeches in Knesset. Bush may not be as naive as Obama, but U.S. foreign policy under his leadership has failed time after time on the Iranian issue." www.haaretz.com

Not only are there people in Israel who feel that Bush's reckless decision to go into Iraq and occupy the country have endangered them, but it takes a real deranged mind to think that using Hitler in a speech in Israel - especially on an anniversary - is in anything but an insult.

They won't say that publicly for political reasons. But invoking that awful regime when there are still survivors of its cruel machinations is beyond insensitive. What an ass.

blah blah blah (insert tongue farther up Saudi Arabian asshole)

-morons

Null, you're looking like an idiot... you can't quote Bush, and you can't even explain why Bush would call Obama or anyone a Nazi Appeaser, when there are no fucking Nazis to appease too.

The more you play my game the more you and especially Rogers and the Retort looks fucking stupid.

If the title were Bush Calls Obama, Dems Terrorist Appeasers, then you'd at least have an argument... trying to stick to this title makes you look fucking retarted.

What's fun though is that I've been able to blow up 3 threads now that are potentially damaging to Bush or McCain all Because you douchebags couldn't be honest in the title...

Not only are there people in Israel who feel that Bush's reckless decision to go into Iraq and occupy the country have endangered them, but it takes a real deranged mind to think that using Hitler in a speech in Israel - especially on an anniversary - is in anything but an insult.


Ozark they gave him a standing ovation after he said this stuff... hardly seems like they were just being polite...

Here's mccains take:

"Yes, there have been appeasers in the past, and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain,'' Mr. McCain told reporters on his campaign bus after a speech in Columbus, Ohio. "I believe that it's not an accident that our hostages came home from Iran when President Reagan was president of the United States. He didn't sit down in a negotiation with the religious extremists in Iran, he made it very clear that those hostages were coming home.''

Asked if he thought that former President Jimmy Carter, who struggled with the hostage crisis, was an appeaser, Mr. McCain replied: "I don't know if he was an appeaser or not, but he terribly mishandled the Iranian hostage crisis.''


I'm sure it's just one of those quirky coincidences that reagan would sell weapons to Iran later, huh?

And "I don't know if he(carter) was an appeaser or not"??? What a POS Mccain is...He should apologize immediately.
Gosh, how could dems POSSIBLY know when they're being called pussies again by the republicans? rofl

Only someone totally stupid, or being purposefully obtuse, does not know what bush meant.


Of course Bush meant Obama is a TERRORIST Appeaser... but 1) he didn't come out and say it and most importantly 2) He certainly didn't say or even imply that he is a NAZI appeaser as the title says...

"Ozark they gave him a standing ovation after he said this stuff.."

Oh, the Knesset gave him a standing ovation! What a fucking surprise!

Biden, as usual, kicks the right square in the nuts:

"He is the guy who has weakened us," he said. "He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It's his [own] intelligence community [that] has pointed this out, not me."
Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?" Biden asked. "Is he going to fire Condi Rice?"


www.politico.com

Rob,

I guess you didn't get the memo:

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat, but White House aides privately acknowledged the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party. Former President Jimmy Carter has called for talks with Hamas.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

"What's fun though is that I've been able to blow up 3 threads now that are potentially damaging to Bush or McCain all Because you douchebags couldn't be honest in the title..."

What a egomaniacal clown. You haven't blown up anything other than your blowup doll.

If the title were Bush Calls Obama, Dems Terrorist Appeasers, then you'd at least have an argument... trying to stick to this title makes you look fucking retarted.

Hey Null,

Once a tart, always a tart. :-)

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat, but White House aides privately acknowledged the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party. Former President Jimmy Carter has called for talks with Hamas.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Posted by Gal_Tuesday


Gal, read the fucking title of the thread... where in what you just posted do aides privately acknowledge that Bush was calling Obama a NAZI APPEASER? Do you see how stupid that sounds? What Nazis are we at war with? What Nazis are Obama appeasing too? Besides today, when was the last time you even heard Nazis mentioned in the news before today?

Now Alex and Null are too big of pussies to answer what I just typed... can you be a little honest and address that? I freely admit Bush was implying the Dems are appeasers to TERRORISTS... do you really think he meant they are appeasers to NAZIS?



1) he didn't come out and say it


Because he never does. He's a guttersniping PUSSY. The Bush admin plays the implying game ALL THE TIME.


He certainly didn't say or even imply that he is a NAZI appeaser as the title says...


Appeaser is the root word here. Not "nazi". Nice try, dervish. Keep spinning.

AA,

What Law has Iran violated? What country has Iran invaded? The Hitler analogy is appropo to US and Israeli aggression, but not Iran.

America has imposed its will against Arab States in order to force Oil Contracts on an unwilling community. We have repeatedly deposed Democratically elected leaders because dependent tyrannts are more cooperative with our agenda.

Shrub cowtows to the Israelis, that we're supporting at a higher living standard than any other country, including our own. They have nuclear and every imaginable weapon of mass destruction, which they use to kill and steal aggressively, always pretending they are only defending themselves.

Its not just Bush. AIPAC has more influence on Congress than any other lobby, 'cept maybe weapons manufacturers. Hillary promised to vaporize Iran (if they supposedly attacked Israel), but it is far more likely that Israel will attack Iran. They've done it repeatedly to their neighbors. Eisenhower warned us not to let this happen.

This mess calls to mind Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler's Nazis. Appeasement didn't work for Neville Chamberlain and it will not work for Obama. It is the path of a coward rather than the path of a leader.

Hey Null,

Once a tart, always a tart. :-)


Posted by Gal_Tuesday


LOL... goddamn IE7!! Why can't it have spell check.

Funny catch Gal

A standing ovation...do you think if we were in their position that our Congress would sit on its ass?

Diplomatic courtesy demands a show of respect - even if its not earned or sincere. Welcome to international politics.

What a egomaniacal clown. You haven't blown up anything other than your blowup doll.

Well, that and his own ego.


Rob,

I guess you didn't get the memo:

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat, but White House aides privately acknowledged the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party. Former President Jimmy Carter has called for talks with Hamas.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-05-16 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag


HE doesn't care about facts. He's here to obfuscate and "blow up" the thread. There is no honest debate with rob...just semantics while he hides from his boss and pretends to work.

But he still gets aychecks, and people still pay attemntion to him. And even getting his ass kicked everyday is a win for rob. Just don't ignore him!

Diplomatic courtesy demands a show of respect - even if its not earned or sincere. Welcome to international politics.

Posted by OzarkAggie


I see what your saying, but I would think if what he said were so offensive but they felt the need to applaude they would have just done so in their seats... Standing ovations to me aren't the same as politeness... to me its support.

Anyone that declares their assumption as fact proves themselves an idiot.

WH told reporters that Obama was the target, chump.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-05-15 11:54 PM


Damn you are a sad sack.

You denounce everything the WH tells you when it disagrees with your pre-conceived notions but use it as fact when it fits your position.

Holy frick and frack!

Who's the chump?

There is no honest debate with rob...just semantics while he hides from his boss and pretends to work.


Did Bush call Obama a Nazi Appeaser yes or no...

Can one of you fucks be a little honest and answer that question?

Let's recap:
Proposing to talk to Hamas=Appeasement

Bribing insurgents with Cash to (temporarily) not attack our soldiers=Not appeasement

Promising to end the illegal occupation of Iraq=Appeasement

Propping up an Maliki and the incompetent Iraqi army=Not appeasement

Not kissing Israel's ass at every turn=Appeasement

Keeping silent about Israel's incursions into Palestine and settlements on the West Bank=Not Appeasement

Thanks for clearing that all up, Deciderer!
(sorry, he gave up golf photo ops)
THANKS, SACRIFICER!

" I freely admit Bush was implying the Dems are appeasers to TERRORISTS... do you really think he meant they are appeasers to NAZIS?"

Yes, he implied that by making an analogy to the Nazis. So fucking what? It seems your complaint is that the headline is awkwardly worded. Big fucking deal.

Appeaser is the root word here. Not "nazi". Nice try, dervish. Keep spinning.

Posted by Alexandrite


I'm not spinning... I've admitted what we all know Bush was implying with his speech.

Why can't you be honest, look at the title of this thread and say whether it is honest... you fucking douchebag.

Gal, read the fucking title of the thread... where in what you just posted do aides privately acknowledge that Bush was calling Obama a NAZI APPEASER? Do you see how stupid that sounds? What Nazis are we at war with? What Nazis are Obama appeasing too? Besides today, when was the last time you even heard Nazis mentioned in the news before today?

Bush didn't say Obama and Carter were Nazi appeasers; he said, by way of analogy, that they were like Nazi appeasers.

Nice try, dervish. Keep spinning.

Funny, I was going to make a dervish reference too.

I'll answer Rob's question:
YES

Did Bush call Obama a Nazi Appeaser yes or no

No. He implied that he was an appeaser. As this admin has done to every democrat, and even a few republicans, that have deared to disgree with his cowboy diplomacy.

Mato- You voted for dumbass twice didn't you? If tyou were adult enough to not like being lied to, you could also draw obvious conclusions about painfully transparent attacks and implications by the same admin.

But you guys are so embarrassed for how bad the W admin has turned out...that you act dumber than a second coat of paint.

Yes, he implied that by making an analogy to the Nazis. So fucking what? It seems your complaint is that the headline is awkwardly worded. Big fucking deal.

Posted by nullifidian


Not poorly worded... complete fucking lie.

Bush did not call anyone a Nazi Appeaser, except people from the 1930s-40s who were Nazi Appeasers...

To say he called Obama a NAZI appeaser is a lie...

Bush didn't say Obama and Carter were Nazi appeasers

So the title of this thread is a lie?

Bush didn't say Obama and Carter were Nazi appeasers; he said, by way of analogy, that they were like Nazi appeasers

W voters aren't very good with analogies. They require thinking.

No. He implied that he was an appeaser.

Agreed, but you also agree he did not call him a Nazi appeaser...

So the title of this thread is a lie, right? Right.

Okay... we'll continue this in the morning I'm sure.

Did you guys really need to struggle for so long before admitting that I am right? Next time just admit it from the start... save yourself the typing.

So the title of this thread is a lie?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-16 12:45 AM | Reply | Flag

Dumber than a second coat of paint...and on purpose too.

You should be ashamed of yourself, rob. Were you capable of such an emotion. Once again the Bush admin has shoveled a shit sandwich down your throat, and you're here to praise it's wonderful taste.

Stop voting, please. Stop pretending you know anything about politics and go back to trolling AOL chat pages you WOB.

"Not poorly worded... complete fucking lie."

Rob,
What if the headline said, "Nazi-like appeasers"? Would you be happy then?

Bush did not call anyone a Nazi Appeaser, except people from the 1930s-40s who were Nazi Appeasers...

Well how about Nazi Supporters?

The Israelis may need our support in terms of dollars and military hardware, but there are many who remember the family connections...

www.drudge.com

Okay, the title would have been better as: Bush Compares Obama, Dems to Nazi Appeasers, but the first sentence after the title makes that very point:

Bush Calls Obama, Dems Nazi Appeasers

President Bush launched a sharp but veiled attack Thursday on Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats, suggesting they favor "appeasement" of terrorists in the same way some Western leaders appeased Hitler in the run-up to World War II.


Your protestations are much ado about nothing, I'm afaid.

I've admitted what we all know Bush was implying with his speech.


Oh, then you're an even sadder little bitch than I thought. You're arguing stupid semantics when your CiC went overseas to slime current presidential nominees. WOB!

Your protestations are much ado about nothing, I'm afaid.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-05-16 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag


They always are. Rob ALWAYS picks little dumb worthless fights on a technicality. So he can troll and distract everyone from what was actually being said.

Plus he likes the negative attention, since he isn't secure enough in his manhood to argue an actual worthwhile point.

For the record: You should feel insecure about your dumb beliefs and the chaos they have wrought.

This was probably the most intelligent and accurate thing ole Arbusto has uttered since 2001.

Congratulations.

"Bullshit", said that miserable piece of shit excuse for a human being, Joe Biden.

Did you plagiarize that too, you fucking stain?

A good first step towards not stealing the words of others is to come up with words of your own. And a good way to do that is to obtain a dictionary. Start with the "A"s---and look up the word "appeasement".

Reconcile that definition with what your fucking infantile monkey-candidate says he intends to do with governments that sponsor the wholesale slaughter of women and children to make a political point. Remember, they're hoping that representatives of your party will win elections in this country---because they understand that people like you are the unfortunate shit by-product of a free society: so self-loathing and effete that you would rather dine and "engage in dialogue with" the kind of person that would rape and murder your children.

Fuck you, Biden, you sorry motherfucker.

Fuck you and every other individual cancer cell that comprises your party.

If snotty liberal fucks like you ever muse at how some Americans could possibly snort at the theory of Darwinism, one only need to point out the fact that the malformed, sub-homo sapien scum that continues to elect you to the senate year after year has yet to be removed from the gene pool.

Obama Treats Reporter Like A Whore

If calling someone "sweetie" equates to treating them like a whore, I'd say Obama treats his whores pretty well.

RE Pinche Mao's post:,

There's another country heard from. A country in which they teach vocabulary but no manners. :-)

Reconcile that definition with what your fucking infantile monkey-candidate says he intends to do

You can always count on pinche to ruin his point by being a nasty racist fuck..

I found a real example of a misleading headline, rob:

"Obama Treats Reporter Like A Whore
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 07:10 PM"

"If snotty liberal fucks like you ever muse at how some Americans could possibly snort at the theory of Darwinism, one only need to point out the fact that the malformed, sub-homo sapien scum that continues to elect you to the senate year after year has yet to be removed from the gene pool.

Posted by Pinche_Mao"


Don't hold back, Pinochet.

There is such a thing as "libel by implication," so at least in the court's view, an implication is the same as a direct statement. I doubt Obama will sue Bush, but "technically" Bush could be viewed as calling Obama an appeaser.

What a goofball...

There is such a thing as "libel by implication," so at least in the court's view, an implication is the same as a direct statement. I doubt Obama will sue Bush, but "technically" Bush could be viewed as calling Obama an appeaser.

well, children:
what word of discourse did we learn from PincheMao today?

What?
You say he uses those words when he's angry over his party's incompetence and his own impotent rage?

Correct!

Sorry for the double post!

you would rather dine and "engage in dialogue with" the kind of person that would rape and murder your children.


Hussein. Noreiga. Iran Contras. Pinhocet. School of the Americas. Shah of Iran. The list is as endless as you are hypocritically partisan, pinche gasbag.

you would rather dine and "engage in dialogue with" the kind of person that would rape and murder your children.


Just to be clear to anyone here who missed a previous thread: This is coming from the same guy who thinks pinochet did a great job. Same guy that refers to death squads killing nuns as a "talking point".

It's not that pinche hates all dictators. Just the ones ideologically to the left. Those on the right are fine and dandy, and our alliances with(and weapons sales to) these pieces of shit are part of some shifting geopolitical excuse.

It's OK when republicans literally wine and dine murderers,(give them money, golden spurs) but if democrat "monkeys" like Obama even wish to try basic diplomacy...TALKING...they're pussies and appeasers.

Get back on your medication.

Maybe understanding the difference between a metaphor and a simile will help. A simile is a comparison that uses like or as (my love is like an ocean). A metaphor is a comparison that doesn't use like or as (my love is an ocean). This thread title employs a metaphor rather than a simile. In the end though, a metaphor and a simile are both saying the same thing.

Ayers

Wright

Rezko

Hamas

Evans

Rosenberg

Castro

Che

Ho Chi Min

Pol Pot (paging Chomsky)

Stalin

The list is as endless as you are hypocritically partisan...



That's telling them Gal. LOL

Pinche- Yes, there are dictators left and right.

But I'm not defending any of them. You've done so on many occasions(only the right wingnuts of course) hence nullifidian calling you pinochet mao all the time, as you know.

You've been exposed yet again. Put the little thing away and crawl back into your cheap beer.

PS-

Ayers, Wright, Rezko compare to dictators? Way to puff up your counter list, dumbass.

Maybe understanding the difference between a metaphor and a simile will help.

Maybe understanding the difference between "uncomfortable fact" and outright hyperbole will help even more.

Obama has expressed his desire to be an appeaser of those who bankroll the most ruthless human beings humanity has ever known.

Perhaps because he himself was once bankrolled by a ruthless and homicidal human being who planted bombs and killed people in the name of the most ruthless ideology humanity has ever known.

There's kind of a pattern here.

There's kind of a pattern here.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-05-16 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag


Yes. You're wrong again.

"the most ruthless human beings humanity has ever known."

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Bush and Cheney are criminals to be sure, but that's a bit of hyperbole.

I'm curious, Pinche Mao, where and when Obama has said he was an "appeaser," or made comments that indicated he was. The burden of proof is on you.

It was sure nice of reagan to buy saddam a pair of golden spurs. You know, right before selling them illegal arms, and giving them iranian enemy coordinates to use chemical weapons on.

But that's OK, because they're republicans.

The fact that the democratic monkey Obama wants to TALK to leaders of other countries is way out of bounds. Fucking appeaser.

-Pinche Moron.

There's kind of a pattern here.

Posted by Pinche d'Moo Moo's Ass - 7 Time Steer Milking Champion



Yeah, every time you show up you make an ass of yourself. Hyperbole? You can not only spell it - kudos for that - but you are a true master of that despicable practice.

Pinochet

The guy who single-handedly kept Chile from collapsing into a shithole run by adherents of the same macro-economic ideas as people like yourself?

Hahahaha

Hee


Thanks, Kamrade!

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-07-14 03:50 AM |


Two second google search. Remember that night, nulli?

Obama has expressed his desire to be an appeaser of those who bankroll the most ruthless human beings humanity has ever known.

Appease? Oh please. Is Bush appeasing North Korea? Did he appease Khadafi? How about Gates and Rice? Are they wanting to appease Iran too?

You've gone past hyperbole and enter the realm of prevarication.

enter=entered

Kissinger says talk to Iran.

James Baker says talk to Iran.

Etc.

No has said appease them, though invading Iraq certainly removed one of their enemies, and allowed Shia who fled to Iran to repatriate. Naturally they were trained by the Quds Force and now run southern Iraq and Basra.

So the old man nixed any help to the Iraqis who wanted to overthrow Saddam, and the boy let them come back trained and ready to take over.

One might make the case that boy bush appeased Chalabi.

You got to admit it's fricken hee-larious!

Bush throws out some feed and the dems trip all over themselves like piglets scrambling for the free tit.

From off to the side you hear Barry saying "hey, I'm the front runner"

Between grunts someone responds, "Pipe down son, you just don't know how it works around here"

One might make the case that boy bush appeased Chalabi.

More like hoped to god he knew how to run something right. Buish sure doesn't.

James Baker says talk to Iran.

Rut roh. Pinche once described the bakers as "good people" after meeting them. Now you've really cooked his little brain, ozark.

I think it's hillarious that the repubs have lost three house races in a row. I'm looking for a landslide this fall.

How about at least Bush IMPLIES Obama, Dems Nazi Appeasers...
at least try to be honest...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-15 07:10 PM


Black kettle how hast thou fallen?

In November we are going to have to decide whether the State of Israel runs our foreign and defense policy or we do.

All the name-calling in the world will not alter that fact that we have lost control to a state whose interests are not ours.

"The president's exact words in the relevant passages were:

"America stands with you in breaking up terrorist networks and denying the extremists sanctuary. And America stands with you in firmly opposing Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. Permitting the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapon would be an unforgivable betrayal of future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

And: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," he said. "We have heard this foolish delusion before."

"As Nazi tanks crossed in Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is the false comfort of appeasement which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Obama responded in an e-mail to reporters, saying it is sad that president Bush would use Israel's 60th anniversary to launch a false political attack. "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally, Israel."

The word "never" was inserted in the final version when Kurtz and Ross insisted on the statement being strengthened. What Obama left out tellingly was a reference to "radicals," namely Iran. By leaving "the world's leading sponsor of terror" out of his response, he allowed the president to underscore his lack of an organized policy position on Iran.

Republican senator John McCain quickly picked up on his rival's lack of clarity on the key Iranian issue.

While denying coordination with Bush on the speech, McCain said he wholeheartedly agreed with the gist of his remarks.

"Yes, there have been appeasers in the past and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain." Asked if he considered Obama an appeaser, he said: "I think that Barack Obama needs to explain why he wants to sit down and talk with a man who is the head of a government that is a state sponsor of terrorism, that is responsible for killing brave young Americans, that wants to wipe Israel of the map, who denies the Holocaust

How democratish of Obama. He was never named but steps up a huge backlash with feigned outrage. It's like whenever a dem says "are you calling us unpatriotic?".... when no one did, but it makes a great sound byte.

With the constant barrage of attacks and insults leveled DIRECTLY at GW DAILY, it's funny how obama responds to an indirect comment!

This thread title employs a metaphor rather than a simile. In the end though, a metaphor and a simile are both saying the same thing.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday


You and Alex both have Downs Syndrome right? That's the only explanation at this point. The title is a metaphor? Are you fucking serious?

What if the headline said, "Nazi-like appeasers"? Would you be happy then?

Posted by nullifidian


There would at least be no argument then, because that would be accurate.

Bush did not call Obama or the Democrats Nazi Appeasers.

This thread title flat out says that he did

(And no it is not a metaphor as one giant tounged poster would have you believe).

Bush's comment was directed toward Democrats, it was directed toward Obama.

You don't see the Hillary camp screeching over this.

Obama and his supporters are the thinnest-skinned people in the world. If McCain or Hillary slapped Obama accross his face, he'd cry like a baby for at least an hour.

I don't see the difference between "Bush Calls Obama, Dems Nazi Appeasers" and "Bush Compares Obama, Dems to Nazi Appeasers," but I changed the headline. The first headline is clearly figurative -- there are no Nazi Appeasers today.

In either case, the uniter-not-divider just lobbed a grenade at Democrats from the floor of a foreign parliament. The story's pretty inflammatory regardless of how it's headlined. I'm in agreement with Biden, who called it bullshit.

Definition For Calls dictionary.reference.com

Definition For Compares
dictionary.reference.com

Difference is one happened the other didn't... so one is true, and one is false.

Anyways the point is its changed now... what was this thread about again?

the uniter-not-divider just lobbed a grenade at Democrats from the floor of a foreign parliament.


Which is something prominent Democrats have done with vigor for the last 7 years.

You don't see the Hillary camp screeching over this.


That Obama would immediately begin defending himself I think was a mistake. He should have just stuck to defending Democrats as a whole... Now people are specifically pointing this story or terrorist appeasment to Obama and the Dems, instead of just the Dems.

Which is something prominent Democrats have done with vigor for the last 7 years.

Posted by JeffJ


Didn't two Democratic congressmen go to Baghdad before the war (all expense paid by Hussein) and bash the president there?

Bush got a standing ovation for his speech... the Israelis clearly don't see what he said as "bullshit."

Listen to the rightieidiots talking about mistake of Obama, it cracks me up. They act like they have some kind of validity in their postings.

Are you going to flag me again Drudge because I could you in a lie? You are a typical liberal ASSHOLE!

I see that Rob, joined by Jeff, are still crying like girlie boys about the headline. Boo hooooooo.

"Bush got a standing ovation for his speech..."

Shocking! Amazing! What a surprise!

I see that Rob, joined by Jeff, are still crying like girlie boys about the headline.

Get with the times douche... the title has been changed... topic over...

I don't give a shit about the headline, Null.


Re-read my posts on this thread and you'll see that.

Let's see, several billion in U.S. aid divided by the number of members in the Knesset (120) comes up to...a standing ovation!

How the hell did you get that Jeff cared about the thread title from those two posts?

"Get with the times douche... the title has been changed... topic over..."

Waaaah. I guess if you cry enough Rcade will change the headline just to get you girls to shut the fuck up.

How the hell did you get that Jeff cared about the thread title from those two posts?


Excellent question.

Oh Rcade. Waaaaaah. It's just sooooooo unfair. Waaaaaah. My makeup is running! Waaaaah!

Sincerely,
Rob

p.s. Waaaah!

Which is something prominent Democrats have done with vigor for the last 7 years.

Really!

Which leading democrat has done this on the house floor of a foreign land.

This is our leader who has done this. I am confused because it appears our LEADER is trying to turn foreign lands against our probable new leading party to take over. Sounds like this is the kind of leader who is interested in our nation.

JJ,

let me put this in terms you might understand. If this was one of your managers soon to leave the position and this manager began trying to begrudge your customers and people from giving support to the new management would you accept this or would you fire the manager on the spot?

True leadership provides support regardless of leaving the position, afraid you righties can't seemed to grasp the idea of leaders and protection of our nation.

Some times we need to go beyond party politics, particularly on foreign lands, let alone on the floor of a governing body.

Quit your crying, Null.


Rob's point was obviously strong enough to entice RCade to change the headline.

Waaaah. I guess if you cry enough Rcade will change the headline just to get you girls to shut the fuck up.

Posted by nullifidian


Nope... Goto the McCain's Pastor thread and McCain Offers Strange Praise Of Mafia thread...

This is the first in a long time I've gotten him to change... only when its clearly wrong are they changed....

Now, how did you get from Jeff's two posts that he cared about the title?

Waaaah. I guess if you cry enough Rcade will change the headline just to get you girls to shut the fuck up.

Posted by nullifidian


Nope... Goto the McCain's Pastor thread and McCain Offers Strange Praise Of Mafia thread...

This is the first in a long time I've gotten him to change... only when its clearly wrong are they changed....

Now, how did you get from Jeff's two posts that he cared about the title?

The first headline is clearly figurative -- there are no Nazi Appeasers today.

Exactly. A metaphor is a figure of speech, i.e., language used in a figurative or nonliteral sense.

You and Alex both have Downs Syndrome right? That's the only explanation at this point. The title is a metaphor? Are you fucking serious?

Yes, I'm serious. There is another explanation, but you'd have to look in the mirror Alex mentioned last night.

Which leading democrat has done this on the house floor of a foreign land.


Remove what's in bold and then think about it.

"You don't see the Hillary camp screeching over this."

Because to do wo would be to defend Obama. Hillary, faux Republican that she is, already sided with Bush about speaking to our enemies. One of THE reasons that people like me ditched her and switched to Obama. She can't be a "change" candidate by continuing Bush's "don't speak to our enemies" policies. I predict peace may break out while Rethugs whine that it isn't good to enjoy peace with our enemies.

"Quit your crying, Null."

Brilliant retort. Rob's been crying all night and this morning. That's about on a level as "No! You are!"

lol

Quit your crying, Null.

don't hold your breath.

Because to do wo would be to defend Obama.


Which pretty much means that Bush's comment hit home to some degree.

Brilliant retort.


It was in response to this post:



Oh Rcade. Waaaaaah. It's just sooooooo unfair. Waaaaaah. My makeup is running! Waaaaah!

Sincerely,
Rob

p.s. Waaaah!

Posted by nullifidian

"Which pretty much means that Bush's comment hit home to some degree."

Riiight. Almost universally ridiculed. I don't watch Faux News though but I am sure they had their own special take on this but that is to be expected from those liars.

"Goto the McCain's Pastor"

Speaking of which:

www.youtube.com

(And no it is not a metaphor as one giant tounged poster would have you believe).

So, you are saying I'm a giant tongued poster. That would be a metaphor. You seem to know how to use one; now if only you could learn how to recognize one.

"You don't see the Hillary camp screeching over this."

"President Bush's comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face of it, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy. This is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary celebration of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced. Unfortunately, this is what we've come to expect from President Bush."

- HRC in Rapid City, SD

Riiight.


Uh huh.

Bush mentioned no names yet everybody immediately knew he was taking a swipe at Obama.

It. hit. home.

Nicely done, Rogue.

JJ,

Not the same and since you ignored the aspect of giving us a LEADING democrat it says you don't have a leg to stand on.

I simply don't understand how you can support such action coming from our leader, DO YOU CARE AT ALL ABOUT OUR NATION?

Get off the party politics and support what is right, and if you don't seem to like some democrats going to other nations and begrudging our leadership, how is it you now give the OK when your party and country leader does the same?

The republican party clearly can't stand on any prudent moral, ethical ground they so spout and those posting here show just that.

There's some awfully thin skin under that empty suit Obama is wearing.

"thin skin"

Bullshit alert. WH flaks "on background" told press the words were aimed at Obama.

There's some awfully thick skull on you Reichthugs.

MW,


I simply don't understand how you can support such action coming from our leader


Let me be clear:

I don't support Bush on this. It was a shitty thing to do and utterly inappropriate. I was aghast when I heard the audio, just as I was aghast on the several occasions where prominent Dems, speaking on foreign soil, took it upon themselves to trash our current government.


Shitty is shitty regardless of who's sitting on the pot.

By the way, for you pathetic, lockstepping fucktards: "McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It..." (www.huffingtonpost.com)

Nicely done Roque,

I am surprised you even gave an appearance that hillary could write such a thing, it is way beyond her.

But you did a great job of what I was trying to show JJ.

Never have we had a foreign leader on our soil and begrudge his own country.

Bullshit alert.


No bullshit whatsoever, Starvis.


Obama supporters constantly act as if he should be above any and all criticism, no matter what.

MW,


Apologies for not making my stance clear from the get-go.

I get so much enjoyment out of needling the hyper-senstive Obama fluffers that I neglected to share my stance until you prodded me.

Isn't it ironic that the Democrats themselves see no problem saying negative things about Bush when speaking publicly in foreign countries? Even when the trip by said Democrats went against the wishes of the sitting President?

And now they have a tantrum when Bush makes remarks that could refer to a number of people? Sounds like this shoe fits Obama very well and you know the guilty are always the ones that squeal the loudest when called out on the carpet.

"Sounds like . . ."

. . . you haven't gotten this morning's talking points.

"Obama supporters constantly act as if he should be above any and all criticism, no matter what."

Supporters of all candidates act that way. I've no problem with criticism.

So, tell me, why did Bush authorize talks with North Korea?

It's not criticism that bothers me. It's hypocrisy.

JJ,

Nice to hear it. I didn't agree with it from the democrats and don't agree with it from the republicans but find it even more distasteful coming from our president.

It clearly shows bush has no pride in this country.

bush's action confirms he is not interested in the betterment of this nation and I have to wonder those who spouted about patriotism in his support can now not sit in shame for doing such.

Yep, Doc. Obama has thin skin. Why not face it? Your candidate is a cry baby. If he can't take the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen. If he ever does become President, he'll be having a meltdown within 6 months.

Isn't it ironic that the Democrats themselves see no problem saying negative things about Bush when speaking publicly in foreign countries? Even when the trip by said Democrats went against the wishes of the sitting President?

Exactly!


Doc,

I've no problem with criticism.

Good!

Speaking of hypocrisy, Jeff, does this mean Bush is going to fire tose "appeasers" Rice and Gates?

LOL


Isn't it ironic that the Democrats themselves see no problem saying negative things about Bush when speaking publicly in foreign countries? Even when the trip by said Democrats went against the wishes of the sitting President?

And now they have a tantrum when Bush makes remarks that could refer to a number of people? Sounds like this shoe fits Obama very well and you know the guilty are always the ones that squeal the loudest when called out on the carpet.

Posted by anamerican at 2008-05-16 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag


Yes, isn't it ironic and hypocritical of this president.

Naturally, AA, you haven't dealt with the point. Interesting that Jeff couldn't handle it, either.

What a bunch of whining girly boys.

Nice to hear it. I didn't agree with it from the democrats and don't agree with it from the republicans but find it even more distasteful coming from our president.



Good point.

A directly, historically-perfect, comparison to today's manny appeasers. Funny, he didn't mention Dems or Obomba, but they naturally assumed he was talking about them....Interesting! Wonder yet why the terrorists prefer Obomba?

Obama says reporters 'giner tastes like sweet mollasses

What "point" would that be, Starvis?

One BIG difference, money. President Bush did not name names and he could have been speaking of any number of people, both living and now dead.

One BIG difference, money. President Bush did not name names and he could have been speaking of any number of people, both living and dead.

One BIG difference, money. President Bush did not name names and he could have been speaking of any number of people, both living and dead.

China and Russia authoized the talks. Get your facts straight or shut up!

China and Russia authoized the talks. Get your facts straight or shut up!

An,

It doesn't matter, the hypocrit begrudged it when the dems did it and now not only does he do it as our president but on the political floor of another nation.

Our president is undermining our nation from the floor of another nation and you make excuses for such behavior.

I have to wonder if a regular citizen did this would that citizen end up in gitmo.

"President Bush did not name names"

Correct, he didn't. You obviously don't read the article or the posts: WH staff told reporters his remarks were aimed at Obama. Of course, you don't believe the reporters, so where do you get your "news" from, amyway? Maybe Bush didn't talk to the Knesset. Maybe there is no Knesset. Maybe we live not on Earth but Zylon. How many angels can dance on the head of pin?

"What "point" would that be"

Rice, Gates, McCain and those other "appeasers" amongst yer crew. C'mon, how many times does this have to be run past you?

"A directly, historically-perfect, comparison to today's manny appeasers"

Clearly, your stupidity is fairly matched with your ignorance.

"One BIG difference, money. President Bush did not name names and he could have been speaking of any number of people, both living and dead.

Posted by anamerican"

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that members of the Bush team told reporters on background that he WAS referring to Obama.

When I travel, and I do a lot of it around the world, not ever do I begrudge our nation, regardless of what political party is in standing.

I speak of pride for our nation, always. This president has now given the example for other Americans to follow, and YOU people are making excuses for such leadership.

For shame, another roman brick has fallen.

I think Bush was trying to make it appear that Obama's position of talking to our enemies is virtually the same thing as opposing Israel. The Rethugs are determined to paint him as pro-Muslim and anti-Israeli though he has stated clearly that he supports Israel. They can't use the economy or the war against him because those areas have been so disastrously handled by themselves so they think that Israel is an issue which will resonate with voters. They are wrong. If anything Bush looked like a party hack when we needed a president and a statesman. I doubt that even Israelis respect this ass clown though they probably like watching him dance to their tune while they laugh at him behind his back.

Doc,


Bush was talking about 'terrorists'. That's the word he used. He wasn't talking about heads' of state.

Karl Rove clearly hasn't forgotten the White House phone number.

elections.foxnews.com

What a religious kook that muslim Hussein is! I think his campaigners need to change "God's Will" to "Allah's Will".

Well, I guess Iran doesn't look so bad now, if America's leader references half the nation to nazi appeasers it is OK for Iran to do the same too.

Wow! I wonder if this will strike home to some of you morons.

Doc,

Bush's staff-members clearly laid a trap, which the dumb-ass, thin-skinned, paranoid, racist, appeasing Obombites (along with Billary, to a lesser extent, and all the Dem leadership) weren't clever enough to avoid.. What's gonna be on TV, Bush's words, or what the staff says....idiots....

Indeed, Bush was talking about appeasers in general, including Republicans who have taken that position. Somehow, though, Obombites clearly include themselves, of their own volition, in the group of appeasers....Well, that does match his stated position, but apparently they believe Bush should not be criticizing appeasers, judging by their characterizations of the appropriatness of the speech. If he's not talking about you, shut up! Apparently, they feel he was, and they feel it is inappropriate to criticize appeasers....They also have the typical teenage attitude that everybody's talking about them.....Says a lot, I think....

Well, Neville Chamberlain would agree that it is inappropriate to criticize appeasers....Of course, he doesn't vote in the US election.....

I hope Bush continues to think that he is helping McCain by making idiotic statements like this.

If anybody has told him he is helping they are lying, and if he thinks he is helping he is delusional. And we know that.

The more he attacks Obama, the better for Democrats.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that members of the Bush team told reporters on background that he WAS referring to Obama.


Even had they not told those reporters it was still fairly obvious.

"Somehow, though, Obombites clearly include themselves"

Don't any of you guys read a story through and through, check what reporters say to flesh the story out? WH flaks told reporters the remarks were aimed at Obama. Sheesh.

Talk = appeasement?

LOL

PS: Why are we talking with the North Koreans? Oh, right, that's Bush so it's ok. Obviously, Nixon and Kissinger were Commie stooges. And Reagan was selling us out when he met with Gorbachev.

ROTFLMAO

Folks, really you have to listen to what he said...how can he attack Obomba and Dems if he doesn't use either word? Really, this was an opportunity to show some sense and act as if his talk of "appeasers" didn't apply to them. Instead, they over-reacted and made it clear to the whole country that yes, they see themselves as appeasers and they don't think anybody ought to criticize appeasers, because being an appeaser is not a bad thing.....They don't have the sense of an adult, so they rose to the bait....Stupid, and probably costly for them.....

"how can he attack Obomba and Dems if he doesn't use either word?"

Then why did his minions make a point of telling the press that's exactly what he meant?

Please tell me you're not one of those stimulus-response types.

Oh, sorry, I forgot.

Hear the bell?

Now, wipe the saliva away.

That's it.

Good boy.

"They rose to the bait..."

When Bush fishes on his stocked tank at Crawford, does the Secret Service bait his hook?

The problem with Bush defending his way of doing things is that it visibly has not worked. People are tired of him and it and are eager for him and it to simply go away.


"Bush was talking about 'terrorists'. That's the word he used. He wasn't talking about heads' of state.

Posted by JeffJ"

Jeff - Bush's exact words were "terrorists AND radicals", which would clearly include people like Ahmadinejad.

I've frequently noted neoconservatives writing that no one should ever speak with liberals or Democrats, either.

They have described THAT as being appeasement. Their attitude was, and still is, that half their own country is the enemy, and needs to be beaten into submission and dictated to.

You people could have done MUCH better than this. You never wanted to, so you deserve to lose.

Bush's exact words were "terrorists AND radicals", which would clearly include people like Ahmadinejad.


Which is consistent with Bush's unwillingness to talk with Ahmadineblowjob unconditionally.


Sarvis didn't bring up Iran, he brought up N. Korea.

www.stunned.org

It is a terrorist act for a leader to begrudge ones nation from another nation.

All rational minded people of this nation regardless of party affiliation should be upset with bush.

Doc,

I repeat...what's gonna show on tv to voters is what Bush said...not what his staff said.

Obombites were stupid, but honest, in lumping themselves in with the appeasers in front of the whole world. The Terrorists already know this, of course, which is why they prefer him. The whole Dem leadership jumped in with him...stupid...they just should have ignored it....

If Bush is, indeed, irrelevant, then they should have acted like it. They didn't....they acted like he was the high school principal giving them DT's for helping the senior-class drug-dealer.....fitting enough as a real indication of what they are, but politically foolish.

Fine, they are appeasers and think it's inappropriate to criticize them....They're allowed to take whatever platform they like....that's the one they picked....tricked into it by "The Chimp"...

I've frequently noted neoconservatives writing that no one should ever speak with liberals or Democrats, either.

This from the lib pussies that were afraid to go on Fox News. Take that bullshit elsewhere, thank you.


"They don't have the sense of an adult, so they rose to the bait....Stupid, and probably costly for them....."

Yeah, Bush's popularity poll numbers demonstrate clearly how much respect the American people have for Bush and his comments. His best strategy would be to shut his mount and just remain silent for the rest of his presidency. McBush trying to pile onto Obama after the remarks will just serve to convince any Americans who aren't already convinced that he is indeed McBush.

"Take that bullshit elsewhere...."

What did I say that wasn't true?

"Which is consistent with Bush's unwillingness to talk with Ahmadineblowjob unconditionally."

Jeff - this discussion is certainly atypical of your usual grasp of a topic.

So I would repeat a question someone asked earlier.

Is Bush going to fire Bob Gates and Condi when he gets back, since both of them (Gates just a couple of days ago) have said we absolutely must sit down and talk with Iran? Or are they just rogue appeasers who don't speak for the Administration?

"If Bush is, indeed, irrelevant"

How can he be "irrelevant"? He's a idiot, true, but a relevant idiot.


"they are appeasers"

Oh, bullshit.

Do they distribute the soma to you irrelevant idiots or have you learned how to whip it up yourselves?


Hypocrisy on Hamas
McCain Was for Talking Before He Was Against It

www.washingtonpost.com

Someone else asked this very pertinent question: If asked what actually happened in Munich in 1938, could Bush respond?

If he can't, and my guess is he could not without serious coaching, then that brings into disrepute his use of the entire "appeasement" bit.

You seem to have forgotten that Reagan met with Gorbachev only after a full term of Gorbachev refusing to do so and after the serious weakening of the Soviet Union, and after Gorbachev, himself, made known his willingness to negotiate and compromise. -----

Iran's negotiating positions today are that Israel be destroyed, they be allowed to fund terrorists around the globe and they be allowed to kill US troops where ever they find them. This is not a party that can be negotiated with.

Which one of these positions would Obama or any other appeaser suggest we allow?

I start laughing all over again every time a right wing tool like Jon Ryker uses the "appeasement" term which they could not have defined twenty four hours ago but still would not hesitate to accuse Obama of being. These clowns actually believe their opinions are taken seriously by people capable of thinking. Hilarious.

Bush criticizes Obama for saying he would meet with our enemies and then the very next day he is in Saudi ARabia kneeling before King Saud and begging him to ship more oil to reduce the adverse effects that the price of oil is having on the American economy. A very good argument could be made that the SAudis are our enemy and have done much more harm to the US than has Iran or Iraq. Bush's stupidity prevents him from even recognizing who our real enemies even are.

Danni,

Well, you responded, so I know you took me seriously! I feel better already, because you may not know it, but I'm pretty sure everybody on this blog seeks your approval...

Doc,

Keep raving! It's very convincing....

"Peace In Our Time"

Sounds a lot like an Obomba campaign slogan....hmmm...maybe we're on to something here....

"You seem to have forgotten . . ."

OK, you obviously don't get the point. Try Ike and Nikita, JFK and Nikita, Nixon and Mao, the US and the NLF, etc., etc., etc.

No talk. More war.

You righties are beyond ridiculous.

Doc,

A. Nikita was the head of a state and was not killing our people. It was the threat of being exterminated that brought them to the table...If we'd been weak, they'd be running Western Europe into the ground even faster than the pussies there now are...

B. We killed a whole bunch of Chinese in Korea before Mao became interested in listening...He then backed off in Korea...Nixon's trip was irrelevant.

C. I forget who the NLF was, so I can't comment there.

Bullies rarely respect talk. That is their nature. Maybe all you lefties told the teacher when the bully picked on you, if that ever happened, but the actual solution is to fight back. Bullies don't like close fights.

I guarantee you AQ can not believe we are still fighting them....If they'd understood Bush properly, they'd have waited for a Dem to be in charge....admittedly, that may have been a while, but they did not bargain for a fight like this...Obomba seems like such a godsend to them...

Answer my question, Doc?

In talks with Iran, which thing should we willing to concede - that Israel be destroyed, that Iran be allowed to fund terrorists around the globe or that they be allowed to kill US troops where ever they find them?

"Nixon's trip was irrelevant."
LOL


"I forget who the NLF was"
National Liberation Front

You do know that the US has conducted talks with the insurgents in Iraq, don't you?

The neocon recent statements that we will be attacked under democratic leadership isn't a premonotion. It's a threat. By them.

The neocon recent statements that we will be attacked under democratic leadership isn't a premonotion. It's a threat. By them.

The neocon recent statements that we will be attacked under democratic leadership isn't a premonotion. It's a threat. By them.

"but they did not bargain for a fight like this..."

You can say that again. They would never have believed that seven years after 9-11 they would still be sitting around threatening the US. They probably expected the US to actually go after them and capture or kill them. I am sure they didn't expect the level of incompetence and corruption which has allowed them to regroup and rebuild and become a real threat again.

"Answer my question, Doc? In talks with Iran, which thing should we willing to concede . . ."

In order to begin discussions it's not necessary to concede anything. That comes when and if you hit the negotiation stage, at which point both parties are going ot have to concede something(s). That's what the chest-thumping is about. But I guess that's too subtle for Bush. Which is why he's going to fire Gates and Rice, right?

"In talks with Iran, which thing should we willing to concede"

Riiight. You create hypothetical concessions that no one has even remotely suggested, I guess it serves the purpose of substituting for a real argument. Tool.

Doc,

I hope and presume they have done so, in a quiet, unofficial, deniable way. That seems fine to me. You just don't grant them the status of a head of state by sending your head guy over to have talks with them. That grants them a status and respect they have not earned, and strenghtens their hand.

I know the NLF means National Liberation Front, and I used to know something about them, but I can't remember who those people were...

Nixon's trip accomplished what, exactly, other than a lot of hype about what?

I am sure they didn't expect the level of incompetence and corruption which has allowed them to regroup and rebuild and become a real threat again.

Posted by danni

It's only incompetence if your plan is to defeat al quaeda. They're far more useful as a current threat than a former threat.

It's only corruption if your plan is to spend money efficiently and above board.

I think Bush really meant it when he said Mission Accomplished. Its just that his mission isn't what he said it was.

Things make no sense only when you take him at his word.

"Nixon's trip accomplished what, exactly, other than a lot of hype about what?"

Er....we buy hundreds of billions worth of products from them, they hold Most Favored Nation status.
What planet do you come from Jon???

"You just don't grant them the status of a head of state by sending your head guy over to have talks with them."

ER.....Ahmadinijad is a head of state. Duh!

"It's only incompetence if your plan is to defeat al quaeda."

After this much time has passed it is getting to the point that isn't a wild accusation but a fact.

"I hope and presume they have done so, in a quiet, unofficial, deniable way"

Hardly deniable. Ask Zalmay Khalilzad.

What do you think should happen to a president who's minions get caught selling weaponry to a state sponsor of terrorism?

As Bugs Bunny says:

What a morune.

Talking with Terrorists? Happens All the Time

By Michael Goldfarb

LONDON -- There he goes again. George Bush. Talking the talk to create bloodshed where he never has to walk the walk. And scoring cheap political points while doing so.

President Bush calls people who talk to terrorist groups appeasers and implies Barack Obama should wear a Scarlet A where his American Flag lapel pin ought to be.

Well George, what did you call your good friend Tony Blair then? He spent most of the first years of his time in office talking to the IRA's political wing Sinn Fein. And managed to negotiate a peace deal, the Good Friday Agreement, that was approved by the people of Northern Ireland even though the IRA was still armed to the teeth -- most of its weapons purchased from rogue state Libya. You going to call Tony Blair an Appeaser, Mr. President?

I was in the House of Commons the day Blair's predecessor John Major said it would turn his stomach to talk to the IRA. It was just weeks after the IRA had blown up a fish and chips shop on the Shankill Road killing many people. I had watched Gerry Adams carry the coffin of the bomber through his neighborhood. The atmosphere was feverish. Yet Newspapers were reporting that talks were on-going... and so Major had to give a speech to parliament. I have no doubt Major felt nauseous about talking to terrorists, he had personal friends who had been murdered by the IRA... but the papers were right, talks were going on. You going to call John Major, who the IRA mortar-bombed in Downing Street, an appeaser?

The planet is covered with terrorist groups, many of them holdovers from liberation struggles of the post-colonial era. They all have political wings set up specifically to do the kind of negotiating Sinn Fein successfully did. If you want to resolve their conflicts you have to talk to them... sometimes on the QT, sometimes through the media, sometimes face to face. But in the end you talk.

You know it, Mr President, and if you don't, in Israel they do. Call up Shimon Peres and ask him about it. Call up any senior Israeli politician, Likud or Labour, and ask them. They spent decades saying they would never talk to the PLO, but in the end they did. Some day, sooner rather than later, they will talk to Hamas. Because peace does not mean justice. Peace means simply the space to breathe. Peace means crimes go unpunished ... but people have space to renew their lives.

For more on Israel-Palestine on the 60th Birthday of the founding of Israel go here. Spread the word.

And as for states like Iran -- disgusting as the Ahmadenijad regime is -- you talk. You talk because no government is forever -- even those without term limits -- and co-opting that kind of regime is easier than invading it. Too bad you never learned that.
www.huffingtonpost.com

Danni,

Is it a good thing that we buy all that stuff from CHina? I thought you were pissed off that all the jobs went over there....So, Nixon giving status to a criminal, murderous, cynical, repressive, socialist regime, thus propping it up in the eyes of the world, is a good thing, then?

Ahmadinijad is killing our people and threatening to obliterate Israel...When he stops doing that, we might have some reason to talk to him....Until then, what's to talk about? He already knows we don't accept those positions...Well, maybe the Dems do, but their not in charge yet...Appeasers...

So AQ is winning? That's why they're living in caves and we drive them out of every stronghold they have in the cities, and now even the crappy Iraqi army is doing that....They like that democracy sprouting up in Iraq, albeit in fits and starts.....So, AQ's winning, huh? Do you EVER think before you babble, or is that just the best you can do?

I doubt that even Israelis respect this ass clown though they probably like watching him dance to their tune while they laugh at him behind his back.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-16 09:08 AM

Much like the dems hero Jimmy Carter. Change Israelis to Palestinians and Bush for Mr. Peanut and go back a few decades. Deja Vu all over again if Obama is elected??? Maybe he will appoint Jimmy to the Secretary of State position.

Doc,

Oh, a Huffington Post reader...Well, that's convincing...

Still, I'd say clearly Blair acted as an appeaser, and has the IRA disbanded, laid down its arms, and everything gone all hunky-dori? Did is solve the problem, or just kick it down the road. As such, it seems to me, Bush was talking about him, since he used the generic term "appeasers" and if the shoe fits, wear it. Apparently, the Obombites believe the shoe fits them...Ok....

"has the IRA disbanded, laid down its arms, and everything gone all hunky-dori?"

They're not blowing the shit out of Londonderry or Belfast anymore -- just fucking over their own people on a regular basis -- and for London and Dublin that seems to be a step up from the former "acceptable level of violence."

I was in Northern Ireland during The Troubles, and while the place is always on the verge of exploding it isn't exploding at the moment. That took talk, a lot of talk.

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war."

Another appeaser heard from.

LOL

Jon
1. I probably scream about our relationship with China which is still a Communist dictatorship more than any other poster on this site...

2. The administration claims Iran is killing our people but so far has not proven it. It is a very doubtful assertion though politically a tool the righties rely on hoping to justify an attack on them.

3. Our own intelligence agencies reported within the past couple of weeks that Al Quaeda has regrouped and is possible a bigger threat to the US than they were pre-9-11.


And Crispee....if only President Obama can be as successful as Jimmy Carter at getting the various enemies in the ME to adopt peace treaties ala Egypt/Israel. Oh, I know, peace is just a librul concept, real men want war.

After this much time has passed it is getting to the point that isn't a wild accusation but a fact.

Posted by danni

What would make it a wild accusation? It's the only one that fits the fact pattern.

Here's a typical "righty" arguing the point as brilliantly as most of "The Right" posters on the DR: video.google.com

And Crispee....if only President Obama can be as successful as Jimmy Carter at getting the various enemies in the ME to adopt peace treaties ala Egypt/Israel. Oh, I know, peace is just a librul concept, real men want war.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-16 11:01 AM

You really call the Camp David Accord a success? You don't think the policies of Carter have any bearing on the Middle East today? Remind me when we stopped relations with Iran??? Hint is wasn't Bush.

Here is some history of your hero:

The administration of President Jimmy Carter in 1977 created a strain on relations between Iran and the United States. Carter, unlike previous American presidents, was outspoken about his criticism of the Shah's government and its human rights record. Carter pressured the Shah to relax freedom of speech and to allow more freedom for political dissidents.[10]

Many politicians and political figures in the United States such as Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller vigorously opposed Carter's condemnations of the Imperial Iranian government, citing the importance of not weakening the Shah's position in both Iran and the region. As is well-known, American administrations previous to Carter had always pressured the Shah to remain steadfastly anti-communist and to aggressively prosecute Communists and Islamists who were increasingly moving closer together into an anti-Imperial alliance

Theres more???

In 1979, Iranians revolted and the Shah was ousted for a second time. Ayatollah Khomeini became Iran's new leader and soon began issuing vicious rhetoric against the United States, describing the country as the "Great Satan".

The American administration under President Jimmy Carter refused to give the Shah any further support and expressed no interest in attempting to return him to power. A significant embarrassment for Carter occurred when the Shah, as of that time suffering from cancer, requested entry into the United States for treatment. The American embassy in Tehran vigorously opposed the United States granting his request, as they were intent on stabilizing relations between the new interim revolutionary government of Iran and the United States.[13]

Despite agreeing with the staff of the American embassy in disallowing the Shah's entry into the U.S., after pressure from Kissinger and Rockefeller, among other pro-Shah political figures, Carter reluctantly agreed, but the move was used by the Iranian revolutionaries' to justify their claims that the former monarch was an American puppet and led to the storming of the American embassy by radical students allied with the Khomeini faction.[14]

*** Carter, unlike previous American presidents, was outspoken about his criticism of the Shah's government and its human rights record. Carter pressured the Shah to relax freedom of speech and to allow more freedom for political dissidents.[10]
Crispee ****

....so Carter being pro-democracy was a bad thing ??....

****The American administration under President Jimmy Carter refused to give the Shah any further support and expressed no interest in attempting to return him to power.Crispee ****

.....so Carter not assisting a dictator to stay in power was a bad thing ??....

......oh...and Crispee....please don't forget the part where the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran to install the Shah as a repressive, torturing ,dictator.......just to keep things in perspective......


....and while you are at it...you may as well conclude that our big "defender of democracy" brand is just a crock of public relations shit, to be trundled out as a fake talking point.......

"The American administration under President Jimmy Carter refused to give the Shah any further support and expressed no interest in attempting to return him to power."

"Carter reluctantly agreed, but the move was used by the Iranian revolutionaries' to justify their claims that the former monarch was an American puppet and led to the storming of the American embassy by radical students allied with the Khomeini faction.[14]"

So, obviously the Shah WAS a puppet of the US though Carter did not want to continue that disreputable relationship. What you are basicly saying is that Carter should have invaded Iran and put the Shah back in power and further justified the Iranians' belief that the US was their enemy.
It is exactly that kind of thinking which has brought us to the point we are at today.

Bush didn't even mention Obama by name, but it took all of about 30 seconds for the Obamites to see the forest for the trees, and decry the president's speech.

I'll assume from their reaction that Obama doesn't perceive himself to be an appeaser. Two questions come immediately to mind, then:

Senator, do you believe a nuclear Iran is in the best interests of the United States, and if no, what will you do stop it?

Senator, you've promised to withdraw American forces from Iraq as soon as you're elected president. How do you believe such actions will be perceived by anti-American forces in the region?

......oh...and Crispee....please don't forget the part where the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran to install the Shah as a repressive, torturing ,dictator.......just to keep things in perspective......

Posted by skizziks at 2008-05-16 12:05 PM

First of all danni posted how great things would be if we had another Carter like President in regards to Iran and or the Middle East. If you take a moment and look at some history posted, you will see the Carter Administration did in fact stop ALL relations with Iran. So on one hand he was against the pro democracy Shah and was against the radical regime which took its place? So I ask you "Do you agree with danni in regards to Carters handling of the Middle East?"

Socialistas and Appeasers,

Argue all you want. You've established yourselves as firmly against a speech which criticized Hitler-appeasers as well as modern-day ones, whoever that may be. This means that you believe we should have appeased Hitler and should appease the Islamofascists....That's fine with me. Try that platform plank. It is not inconsistent with your worldview....It is, however, inconsistent with the world views of the majority of American voters...

Don't be sad. Hitler, a fellow socialist, would agree with you....

Carter encouraged and appeased Kholmeni to go back and return to Iran from France--Yes--By God--that would be appeasment!

He told the Shah--to let this bastard in his country and then all hell broke loose. Was the Shah perfect? No--but Carter appeases to people that are evil-=-thinking he is making things better--without conditions. He should have dealt with the Shah and help him with the human right issues he was deplored over.

But no--Carter forces the Shah to allow the evil into the country and the rest is history.

Obama should have kept him mouth shut--but the Dems and him "doth protest too much"...


It's ok for them to go to foreign countries and bash our country and Bush--poke the gov't in the eye with trips to Hamas and Syria--

But when Bush just talks about appeasement--shit hits the fan!

It's quite remarkable.

Obama is so naive--it's kinda scary. Actually it is scary.

When there are talks there are conditions--otherwise the other party thinks they have a free ride--which they do. And then they use the visit to up their own self-respect.

Even the talks between Blair and IRA were all pre-conditioned. And it was after Mitchell mediated with both groups for three friggin years. They had one last try with a dinner--he placed everyone green orange green orange--served ale and they got to actually talking to one another about thmselves and their families and children--and finally the conflict ended. When Blair meet with IRA the goals were the same--Both sides agreed that violence was over and done with. The rest was political reconciliation. But it took a hard 25 years of bloodshed to get there. (Centuries by some folks eye)

So unless Iran stops the rhetoric and nuke program--why would any POTUS go and have tea with this guy?

Obama thinks he is so great--he can change minds of the evil. No conditions--just go talk--

What a baffoon--they should change their website--

Murphy

"Senator, do you believe a nuclear Iran is in the best interests of the United States, and if no, what will you do stop it?"

First, can you really prove Iran is developing a nuclear weapon??

Seems we've been here before. Iran has a nuclear program but it has not been refining plutonium to weapons grade as far as any of our experts can say today.

"Senator, you've promised to withdraw American forces from Iraq as soon as you're elected president. How do you believe such actions will be perceived by anti-American forces in the region?"

It will make it far less convenient for them to kill Americans won't it????


Senator McCain what will you say to those who say that Bush has nearly broken our military with the Iraq war and apparently you want to further extend it by attacking Iran. What effect will such an attack have on American soldiers in Iraq???

What legal basis would you base such an attack on Iran on???

Senator appeasement by Chamberlain was to avoid an aggressive attack by Germany, who really is the aggressor in the ME, who has indeed invaded countries that have not attacket them???
Therefore, who really could be labeled an "appeaser" and who and "aggressor"???

McSame the Appeaser:
But given his own position on Hamas, McCain is the last politician who should be attacking Obama. Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News's "World News Tonight" program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:

I asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

"Bush Compares Obama, Dems to Nazi Appeasers "

IF THE BIRKENSTOCK FITS...

Come on! Even Jon Stewart acknowledged how ridiculous of a stretch it is to somehow think this is an implicit jab at Obama.

Just keep punching that tar-baby, Appeasers!

What the hell is the problem? MANY dems were Nazi Appeasers. Bush was 100% correct. It was a DEMOCRAT who said he could have stopped the war single handily if he had met with Hitler before they invaded Europe.

THAT WAS A DEMOCRAT. Thats a fact. Like what part of fucking fact, don't you get?

And Obama said he wants DIRECT TALKS with ALL the enemies of the USA.

Its on fucking TAPE of him saying it. And you stupid liberals deny it?

You democrats ARE the appeasers of the enemies of the USA. Thats your role. Thats what you do, and you have been doing it for 60+ years.

There is no denying it, its all on tape. You can't argue against the facts.

Kuma

McCain Was in Favor of Talks with Syria, Despite Saying they Were "Sponsoring and Harboring Terrorists"

After the invasion of Iraq there was much talk among conservatives about invading Syria. Then Secretary of State Colin Powell was heavily criticized for taking a trip to Syria to talk to its leadership. Newt Gingrich said, "The concept of the American secretary of state going to Damascus to meet with a terrorist-supporting, secret-police-wielding dictator is ludicrous."

What did John McCain have to say about the trip? Despite the fact that John McCain believed that Syria was a "state sponsor of terror," was "harboring terrorists," and were sending "Syrians in to fight Americans," he thought it was worth talking to them, saying that Powell's trip was "appropriate."
. . .
www.huffingtonpost.com

***** So on one hand he was against the pro democracy Shah and was against the radical regime which took its place? So I ask you "Do you agree with danni in regards to Carters handling of the Middle East?"

Posted by crispee_oc ******

........you sound as ignorant as JonRyker.......

......the Shah was not pro-democracy, he was a dictator.....
.......the Shah was installed by the CIA, after the CIA overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government......

Doc Sarvis, surely, you can debate better than that bro:?

THIS IS ABOUT OBAMA, who gives a fuck about MCBUSH.

We all hate MCBUSH, but this is about OSUCKA.

OSUCKA said he wants to invade our allies. You remember that?

Bottom line is Osucka's foreign policy is horrid. Even you democrats know that.

Stop lying to yourself.

Kuma

Typical NEOCON:

Chris Matthews Eviscerates Right-Wing Host Kevin James Over Obama "Appeasement" Claims

www.huffingtonpost.com


-Sarge

Doc,

If the Huffington Post is to be believed, which is a tall order, it would appear that Bush was talking about McCane, then....Still, the Obombites claimed he was talking about them....

It's like that oldest joke in the world that people play in high school. A kid walks into the room and says, "Hey, Dumbass!", and there's always one or two assholes who respond to it.

The brilliant Obombites have been roundly tricked by "The Chimp" and, unable to admit their own stupidity, they keep right on giving by punching back at it....looking stupider, more inexperienced, narcisistic, and thin-skinned from one vacuous rant to the next. This is one where they could have looked good by agreeing with his speech or ignoring it....they chose to defend the side of Hitler-Appeasers....Good one! I bet Obomba will negotiate rings around those crafty dicators!

******MANY dems were Nazi Appeasers. Bush was 100% correct. It was a DEMOCRAT who said he could have stopped the war single handily if he had met with Hitler before they invaded Europe.
KUMA ******

.......really.?......find his name and you will find that he was in fact a Republican.....

......but it took a good Republican like Prescott Bush to be a Nazi Sympathizer and to assist the Nazi's in their rise to power........

........the fruit did not fall far from the tree.....


How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
www.guardian.co.uk

"What the hell is the problem? MANY dems were Nazi Appeasers. Bush was 100% correct. It was a DEMOCRAT who said he could have stopped the war single handily if he had met with Hitler before they invaded Europe."


Sen. William Borah was a Republican from Idaho.


"You can't argue against the facts."

Eat those delicious words Kumquat.

"You democrats ARE the appeasers of the enemies of the USA. Thats your role. Thats what you do, and you have been doing it for 60+ years."

Franklin Roosevelt would have been a bit surprised to hear he was an appeaser. As would Harry Truman and JFK, I suspect.

Feeb.

"White House spokeswoman Dana Perino insisted the broadside by Bush, in Israel to mark the nation's 60th anniversary, wasn't aimed at Obama. But administration aides confirmed the Illinois senator was the target."
www.nydailynews.com

Plenty of Republicans and Democrats alike are appeasers. Howard Baker (Republican) with his silly talking group comes immediately to mind. I'm sure there were many Repubs and Dems alike throughout the ages that have appeased tyranny.

What's interesting in this story, is that when Bush gives a speech about the evils of appeasement to the Jewish parliament on their 60th anniversary, Barack Obama immediately assumes the speech is about him, and members of Congress jump to his rescue. That's kinda says it all.

"White House spokeswoman Dana Perino insisted the broadside by Bush, in Israel to mark the nation's 60th anniversary, wasn't aimed at Obama. But administration aides confirmed the Illinois senator was the target."
www.nydailynews.com

Rice orders diplomat to stay for talks on North Korea

www.chron.com

Rice Pushes for Renewed North Korea Talks




Gates called for direct talks with Iran.

President Bush has nominated former CIA Director Robert Gates to replace Donald Rumsfeld. WSJ reports, "In the summer of 2004, Gates and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski co-chaired a task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations that argued for opening a dialogue with Iran. The task force's report ["Iran: Time for a New Approach"] contended that the lack of American engagement with Iran had harmed American interests, and advocated direct talks with the Iranians."



Gates says U.S. wants diplomacy to solve Iran disputes
April 5, 2008




Libya turns over nuclear equipment
Banned gear to be studied, destroyed at U.S. arms plant

In a surprise agreement in December that followed nine months of secret talks, Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy pledged to turn over his country's weapons of mass destruction to U.S. and British authorities and to halt Libya's nuclear development program.

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.



Wow Talks And Diplomacy !

-Sarge

"That's kinda says it all."

What that says is that you haven't followed the story. WH sources told reporters Bush's remarks were directed at Obama. You think that had something to do with creating an impression the remarks were directed at Obama? Duh.

Rice Pushes for Renewed North Korea Talks NewsMax.com Wires Friday, Jan. 20, 2006

archive.newsmax.com


Gates says U.S. wants diplomacy to solve Iran disputes
April 5, 2008

abcnews.go.com

-Sarge


***** So on one hand he was against the pro democracy Shah and was against the radical regime which took its place? So I ask you "Do you agree with danni in regards to Carters handling of the Middle East?"

Posted by crispee_oc ******

........you sound as ignorant as JonRyker.......

......the Shah was not pro-democracy, he was a dictator.....
.......the Shah was installed by the CIA, after the CIA overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government......


Posted by skizziks at 2008-05-16 03:04 PM

Then you must agree with danni regarding Carter and praise his Middle East policies. Because you failed to mention it in the history lessen you posted.

Doc,

Just keep punchin' that tar-baby! Whatever you do, don't throw me in that briar-patch!

Have a good weekend.

Hint: Kerosene will remove tar from human skin....

Are they ALL just complete morons and/or lunatics????

Huckabee jokes about Obama ducking a gunman:

(CNN) During a speech before the National Rifle Association convention Friday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee -- who has endorsed presumptive GOP nominee John McCain -- joked that an unexpected offstage noise was Democrat Barack Obama looking to avoid a gunman.

"That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he's getting ready to speak," said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. "Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor."

Hint: Kerosene will remove tar from human skin....

Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-16 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:


....but nothing removes ignorance. Keep scrubbing though.

Hmm...That pill-popping Masturbator Rush Limbutt tells his ignorant masses to rush out and vote for Hillary cause the RNC tells him they can easily beat Hillary.

So the sheeple do; But guess what? Obama is getting the nod! Nationwide - from all sorts of people/religions/races/
genders. Across the spectrum!

Now, McBush, Cockroach Rove and Rush Limbutt HATE the idea that their sheeple FAILED in their task. Bad sheeple...Bad! No koolaid for you tonight!

No. Rove, McBush and Limbutt cannot beat OBAMA. Not unless they get all Racist on his ass. So they do.

And you do too. You right-wing nut-sacks buy into it lock stock and barrel. You ought to be embarrased for your bigotry. That's right. Embarrased. But you can't be because you are Republicans. and the very definition of the mental abilities of a republican is Cognitive Dissonance. In other words: Moron Supremus!

"Bush Likens Obama to Hitler Appeaser"

Yes. George Walker Bush ought to know a lot about Hitler. He's in constant contact with his Family Nazi Roots on this one.Thanks to Prescott and the Ol' Union Bank.

What's funny: I don't see one REPUBLICAN denying the fact that George Bush's grandfather was a Nazi Sympathizer

Chapter 4, verse 13 RNC HANDBOOK clearly states: There's a difference between NAZI SYMPATHIZER and NAZI APPEASER!!!

NAZI SYMPATHIZER MAKES MORE CASH!

"..."That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he's getting ready to speak," said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. "Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor."

HAVE YOU REPUBLICANS NO DECENCY?

HEY MIKE HUCKABEE:

"ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS..."

White Makes Right? Right?

Even KKK members wear Flag Lapel Pins!

Bush Prescott Nazi Connection

www.youtube.com

BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED


Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's
Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor

by John Buchanan (Exclusive to the New Hampshire Gazette)

www.geocities.com

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler
Friday, October 17, 2003

www.foxnews.com

-Sarge

You know--if you listen to the speech from Bush--

All appeaser have been discredited by history.

He could have been talking about everyone who ever appeased--and he did not say anyone's names or party.

He could have been talking about the EU and UN!

Instead of Obama taking the opportunity to agree with Bush and say that appeasment is not a working policy--then expound on his own policy of what he believes--he chose to be shown the naivete that he is --

How is he going to prevent Iran from getting s nuke bomb?

Neville Chamberlain--with his good intentions was an appeaser to Hilter when he went over there and tried to talk peace for our times--itler was emboldened because he knew the US would not do anything and continued on his march and conquer.

Obama is well intentioned--but his naivete is stark and lacks any understanding of our history and how to deal with these types of dictators and evil people.

And that is why Obama and the Dems got all twisted and their panties in a wad --why is that?

Because they are the party of appeasers-right now at this point in time--for the last 20 year or more---and Obama has put it out there like 40-50 times that he would sit down with Iran or anyone with out preconditions.

Oh--let's have human rights--ok Iran doesn't have human right problems--we all know they don't have gays in their society...

Murphy

Jesus...95% of the righties in this thread are MORONS.

Hello, the WH told reporters Obama was the target!

Baker and Condi Rice both believe intalkign to iran. Does this make them appeasers too?

And do any of you even know what Chamberlain actually DID?

These 3 points have been largely ignored by the fact free Bush butt lickers in this thread. And it's embarrassing how badly you guys are getting stomped.

Jonryker wins the dumbass award for his comments about nixon visiting china. His comments were even less intelligent than pinche maos.

And do any of you even know what Chamberlain actually DID?


Hm.

Neville Chamberlain--with his good intentions was an appeaser to Hilter when he went over there and tried to talk peace for our times--itler was emboldened because he knew the US would not do anything and continued on his march and conquer.

Apparently not.

Actually, nobody, not Obama nor anyone else Dem or Rep, has ever suggested we "appease" Hamas or Iran, or any of that terror network.

That meme is just a straw-man argument constructed to sling mud in an election year.

If you think they did, find me a quote or a link.

Find me someone who said, "Yeah, let's appease Hamas." There isn't anyone, and most of the arguments above are just hot air and invention.

doesn't anybody look anything up anymore?

i guess all the know it all's already know it all.

try reading about the munich agreement of 1938 to get an idea of what the term 'appeasement' applies to.

our president obviously doesn't have a clue (again).

It's amazing to see how sensitive Obama and the libs are to words like "appeaser". Bush never called him that, but Obama knows that he appears to be one. Obama and dems should be proud to be called appeasers. They want to surrender in Iraq and then beg on their knees to talk to our terrorist enemies.

Dems should be proud of all their positions: surrender, isolatioism, anti-free trade, raising taxes, more government programs, anti-military, anti-religion, pro-affirmative action, etc.

It's amazing to see how sensitive Obama and the libs are to words like "appeaser".

I can't speak for 'libs' but I can speak for myself. I'm highly amused that 'cons' don't even know basic word definitions.

Bush and his zionist puppet-masters are the real nazis. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

thinkprogress.org

Bu-bu-bu-but, how could Obama have possibly known the appeasment comment was about him unless it was true?

-Typical DR right winger.

Neville Chamberlain--with his good intentions was an appeaser to Hilter when he went over there and tried to talk peace for our times--itler was emboldened because he knew the US would not do anything and continued on his march and conquer.

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-05-16 05:23 PM


Please Read:

Gates says U.S. wants diplomacy to solve Iran disputes
April 5, 2008

MUSCAT (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates reaffirmed to the leader of Oman on Saturday that Washington wanted to resolve its disputes with Iran diplomatically, a senior U.S. defense official said.

abcnews.go.com


Libya turns over nuclear equipment
Banned gear to be studied, destroyed at U.S. arms plant
Mike Allen, Washington Post

Sunday, March 7, 2004

03-07) 04:00 PDT Crawford, Texas -- Libya surrendered all of its remaining nuclear weapons equipment to international inspectors, and a cargo ship laden with 500 tons of centrifuges and other gear left for the United States on Saturday, the White House announced.

Administration officials said the shipment includes parts for centrifuges needed to enrich uranium; all the equipment from Libya's former uranium conversion facility; and longer-range missiles, including five Scuds, along with their launchers.

In a surprise agreement in December that followed nine months of secret talks, Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy pledged to turn over his country's weapons of mass destruction to U.S. and British authorities and to halt Libya's nuclear development program.

President Bush has touted the agreement as a diplomatic success story in the war on terrorism, and administration officials said they had effectively disarmed one of the world's most feared dictators without firing a shot.

www.sfgate.com


Now Please Explain Your Thoughts

Thank You

-Sarge

Now Please Explain Your Thoughts

There are no "thoughts" only fear.

What's fun though is that I've been able to blow up 3 threads now..

POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE


In your dreams, A_HOLE.

Obama has joined Oprah. They both think they are God. Unfortunately, not one brain between them.

ON the Obama flak--


article.nationalreview.com


Murphy

Impressive reaction from the democrats.

Direct, coordinated and immediate, critical with every one on the same message, "Bush said this on foreign soil and he is a failure"

Advantage goes to Obama. 14 days ago it was Obama vs Hillary and McCain, now its Obama vs. Bush.

Nice.

Bush visit to Israel revives talk of a strike on Iran

Israel's Army Radio reported Friday that the possibility of an American strike on Iran was raised in private discussions during Bush's visit.
Meanwhile, Bush practically ignored a central foreign policy goal for his final year: to advance Israeli-Palestinian peace talks that the president himself launched in Annapolis, Md., last November.

www.mcclatchydc.com


AA,

What Law has Iran violated? What country has Iran invaded? The Hitler analogy is appropo to US and Israeli aggression, but not Iran.

America has imposed its will against Arab States in order to force Oil Contracts on an unwilling community. We have repeatedly deposed Democratically elected leaders because dependent tyrannts are more cooperative with our agenda.

Shrub cowtows to the Israelis, that we're supporting at a higher living standard than any other country, including our own. They have nuclear and every imaginable weapon of mass destruction, which they use to kill and steal aggressively, always pretending they are only defending themselves.

Its not just Bush. AIPAC has more influence on Congress than any other lobby, 'cept maybe weapons manufacturers. Hillary promised to vaporize Iran (if they supposedly attacked Israel), but it is far more likely that Israel will attack Iran. They've done it repeatedly to their neighbors. Eisenhower warned us not to let this happen.

Posted by nutcase


best post so far with lots of honorable mentions (& the usual ridiculous Robby-dear retorts:)


"If snotty liberal fucks like you ever muse at how some Americans could possibly snort at the theory of Darwinism, one only need to point out the fact that the malformed, sub-homo sapien scum that continues to elect you to the senate year after year has yet to be removed from the gene pool.

Posted by Pinche_Mao"


Don't hold back, Pinochet.

Posted by nullifidian



FF


Let's see, several billion in U.S. aid divided by the number of members in the Knesset (120) comes up to...a standing ovation!

Posted by nullifidian


whoa! FF


Lord Rothschild would be rolling in his graves (many Lord Rothschilds:>)



Talking with Terrorists? Happens All the Time

By Michael Goldfarb

LONDON -- There he goes again. George Bush. Talking the talk to create bloodshed where he never has to walk the walk. And scoring cheap political points while doing so.

President Bush calls people who talk to terrorist groups appeasers and implies Barack Obama should wear a Scarlet A where his American Flag lapel pin ought to be.

Well George, what did you call your good friend Tony Blair then? He spent most of the first years of his time in office talking to the IRA's political wing Sinn Fein. And managed to negotiate a peace deal, the Good Friday Agreement, that was approved by the people of Northern Ireland even though the IRA was still armed to the teeth -- most of its weapons purchased from rogue state Libya. You going to call Tony Blair an Appeaser, Mr. President?

I was in the House of Commons the day Blair's predecessor John Major said it would turn his stomach to talk to the IRA. It was just weeks after the IRA had blown up a fish and chips shop on the Shankill Road killing many people. I had watched Gerry Adams carry the coffin of the bomber through his neighborhood. The atmosphere was feverish. Yet Newspapers were reporting that talks were on-going... and so Major had to give a speech to parliament. I have no doubt Major felt nauseous about talking to terrorists, he had personal friends who had been murdered by the IRA... but the papers were right, talks were going on. You going to call John Major, who the IRA mortar-bombed in Downing Street, an appeaser?

The planet is covered with terrorist groups, many of them holdovers from liberation struggles of the post-colonial era. They all have political wings set up specifically to do the kind of negotiating Sinn Fein successfully did. If you want to resolve their conflicts you have to talk to them... sometimes on the QT, sometimes through the media, sometimes face to face. But in the end you talk.

You know it, Mr President, and if you don't, in Israel they do. Call up Shimon Peres and ask him about it. Call up any senior Israeli politician, Likud or Labour, and ask them. They spent decades saying they would never talk to the PLO, but in the end they did. Some day, sooner rather than later, they will talk to Hamas. Because peace does not mean justice. Peace means simply the space to breathe. Peace means crimes go unpunished ... but people have space to renew their lives.

For more on Israel-Palestine on the 60th Birthday of the founding of Israel go here. Spread the word.

And as for states like Iran -- disgusting as the Ahmadenijad regime is -- you talk. You talk because no government is forever -- even those without term limits -- and co-opting that kind of regime is easier than invading it. Too bad you never learned that.
www.huffingtonpost.com

Posted by Doc_Sarvis


duh....

Friday, May 16, 2008

All the President's Nazis
"The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war, Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty"."



Posted by OzarkAggie


this should be front page news, too, since Bush family fortunes came from making money banking/trading with the Nazi machine!:>)

Friday, May 16, 2008

All the President's Nazis
"The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war, Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty"."



Posted by OzarkAggie

www.drudge.com

Neville Chamberlain--with his good intentions was an appeaser to Hilter when he went over there and tried to talk peace for our times--itler was emboldened because he knew the US would not do anything and continued on his march and conquer.

Obama is well intentioned--but his naivete is stark and lacks any understanding of our history and how to deal with these types of dictators and evil people.

And that is why Obama and the Dems got all twisted and their panties in a wad --why is that?

Because they are the party of appeasers-right now at this point in time--for the last 20 year or more---and Obama has put it out there like 40-50 times that he would sit down with Iran or anyone with out preconditions.

Oh--let's have human rights--ok Iran doesn't have human right problems--we all know they don't have gays in their society...

Murphy

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-05-16 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:


You do realize the Neville Chamberlain was the CONSERVATIVE PM of England, right?




Saddam the new Hitler, Bush tells Europeans
By Anne Kornblut and Charles Sennott in Prague
November 22 2002


Bush 2006: Ahmadinejad the new Hitler

Bush 2008: Obama the new Hitler

Bush 2010: King of Saudi Arabia the new Hitler

Bush 2012: Rivero the new Hitler

www.smh.com.au

Bush 2014 : Briwo the new Hitler?

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