well they are coming up on some of the most racist states now

west virginia is probably the last place in america i would live.

kentucky. yea i'll stay away

actually...

i take it all back
a call to the browns of america.

move to these states and bring some curry
lets smoke em out bush style. ;)

hahah

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world. Of course they hate Black and worse yet uppity Niggers like Obama. In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

Without racism there would BE no Obomba volunteers.

without racism white people might not be the american majority.

Welcome to the real world.

So I'm to believe that the same ignorant white trash who won't vote for a black man will vote for a white woman???
They are less sexist than they are racist???
Somehow I doubt it.

danni

these racists would pick a white woman over a black man

but in the general election against a white man they would choose the white man.

thats right frank stallone... i mean john mccain

"They are less sexist than they are racist???"

Big time. Hillary would still struggle against McCain in white trash areas but she all she would have to deal with would be being a bitch not a Muslim in hiding or a Nigger.

Remember if a white woman had sex with a black man which one of them got lynched?

For the Obama Campaign to just now realize that RACISM will play in this election is laughable. Senator Obama needs to just get on with it he will win because he is the best candidate. I am a Liberal Democrat for Clinton an it is getting harder an harder to commit to Senator Obama with this constant questioning of the Clintons, remarks.

Its just disgusting to hear these left wing zealots blame the Clintons for the fact that Race is a problem in this Country, taint so!!!!! It is what it is, America is a Racist Country an maybe Senator Obama, can change this it sure as hell won't be MSNBC, FOX OR CNN who have fed on this racial divide for ratings from day one of this Campaign!!!

The Blacks in the Congress an around this Country, that are supporting Senator Clinton, does not see these comments as Racist, maybe you have to be a special Black, so that these special Blacks alone can see the sublimimal messages that the Clintons are sending out. Blacks will vote for Blacks and Whites will vote for Whites, what a concept......

For the Obama Campaign to just now realize that RACISM will play in this election is laughable.

That's not what the article states. The Obama campaign has been aware of stuff like this since day one. They're just downplaying it, and have declined to seek publicity for racially motivated incidents like the vandalism of an office in Indiana.

They realize, smartly I think, that calling attention to it would end up hurting the campaign by increasing racial polarization.

There are lots of states with a higher level of humanity where Obama will do fine. Personally, I would rather nominate who we want and risk losing the election than to bow to these human scum bags.

Actually, if anything, these racists are the best reason yet for Hillary to get out of the race and let Obama mount a national campaign.

danni

agreed
f these ignorant degressers

you don't negotiate with terrorists
and you dont' negotiate with hateful morons

According to Wikipedia, West Virginia had a clause in its constitution about Whites and Blacks not being taught in the same schools until 1994. 1994!

Anyone who expects Blacks to forget about 400+ years of slavery and discrimination after only 40 years (Civil Rights Act 1964, Voting Rights act 1965, repeal of most Jim Crow Laws around 1965-1967) is a lunatic. But, on the other side of the spectrum, anyone who expects Whites who opposed civil rights and used phrases like "uppity niggers" and such to change their viewpoints in only 40 years is equally insane.

I guess what I'm saying is, well....surprise?

BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke.

crescent

not suprised

but still sickened

"BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke."

he's right though

if mccain wins because of the racism in america

those same ignorant poor people will hurt more then us educated folk

so fuck them

if they want to fuck themselves up then let them.
if they want to have their jobs be sent to india and china, then fine.
don't vote for your benefit
and suffer from the health crisis, economic crisis, and all that other crises that will be a reality for them

is it racist for such a huge number of blacks to be voting for obama? They must all support his platform. Has little to do with skin color.

Yet another article about racism in regards to Obama, yet Obama says his campaign never mentions race...

We get it Hussien. You're black. We sort of noticed when we first saw you. Then we also happened to hear about that black militant church you attended for 20 years but were some how unaware it was led by a militant preacher. Oh, and then there was your wife's college thesis paper about how she was black and the others were white.

We get it. You're black. Your own book mentioned that fact numerous times. We know you are angry. An angry black man....Did you think you were the first?

FOX NEWS!!! FOX NEWS!!! Celesary is frigging crazy!

these racists would pick a white woman over a black man

but in the general election against a white man they would choose the white man.

thats right frank stallone... i mean john mccain




Posted by klifferd


You hit the nail right on the head Kliff.

Clintons claims she has a broader coalintion and that her voter won't vote for Obama, but many of them as you point out, would not even vote for her in November.

what a bunch of racist and sexist democrats!

Is that what being a Conservative Democrat is all about? Wanting Marxist policies, but as long as white men are in charge?

"BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke."

Danni, I guess your hot flashes are getting to you today since all I'm doing is describing the prevailing attitude of many of the uneducated riff-raff in the US. Or maybe I'm hitting too close to home for you?

Sorry Metslider, they've already proven many times that they were willing to vote for white candidates.
They have a preference for a black man and to tell you the truth so do I and I am very white. I think America needs very badly to prove to the world that we are not a racist nation and we need to prove it to ourselves as well. If all things were equal between Hillary and Obama I would still choose Obama.

It's not that they are less sexist than they are racist, it's just that they know that Bill keeps his pimp-hand strong.

If you've ever went to dinner with the Clinton's you'd know he always says the Pimp's Prayer before food is served.

"Lord, please pray for the soul of this bitch and guide my pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that she might learn a ho's place. Amen."

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black.

I don't believe whites are in power simply because of racism but it sure helps maintain the status quo. The days of thinking that a black man eats fried chicken and watermelon all day and dreams of fucking white women are over. Some black men actually have a brain. Some white men don't.

Like I've said on here 1000 times, it's all about individuals. Forget about race, look at your neighbor, listen to him. If he's an asshole, it doesn't really matter if he's black or white, he's still an asshole. You can argue later about if he's a black asshole or white asshole if you need that sort of thing. If you do need that sort of thing, then you are the racists.

encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season.

I know! Like 94% of Blacks voting for a man because of his skin color...

That racism has gone almost completely unreported...

"What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black."

Not in Amerikkka. To paraphrase Charles Barkeley giving advice to a young Tiger Woods. "If you are so multi-cultural why are you always called a Nigger in your hate mail?"

is it racist for such a huge number of blacks to be voting for obama? They must all support his platform. Has little to do with skin color.

Posted by metslider

no thats the pot calling the kettle "black"

again the "enlightened" left paints the entire white race as a bunch of knuckle dragging heathens that hate darkies..I dont like obama for reasons other than skin color.. I hate his policy. I hate hillaries policy. I dont particularly like mccains policy so I am at a cross roads as to who to vote for..if its mccain versus obama i will choose the formers policy.

and to furio and klifferd.. your "hate" has clouded your judgement and you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason. You will never eliminate all racism or desire for segregation. Just accept it and move on.

not suprised

but still sickened

Right there with you. My comment was more about how the mainstream cable media seems to latch onto things like this and then act like they're new and shocking, though.

The fact that racist trash exists in this country pisses me off, but the way the media acts about it (ignoring it until someone like Jeremiah Wright comes along) pisses me off more. Ignoring racism won't make it go away.

"I know! Like 94% of Blacks voting for a man because of his skin color...

That racism has gone almost completely unreported..."

ARob,

Good to see you still forget logic and past history.

Something like 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

Blacks were split between Hillary and Obama up until Billy Bob's famous attack on Obama by comparing his win to that of Jesse Jackson which was basically saying he only won because of Black votes. Most Blacks never took Jesse seriously and took it really badly that Clinton, someone they supported in a big way in the past, would rip into Obama.

Race-conscious people ARE Obomba's only constituency. There appear to be a fair amount of them, though....

"you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason"

And what sort of stupid insinuation are you trying to make here?

"Race-conscious people ARE Obomba's only constituency. "

wow what a racist statement. I support Obama strictly because he showed promise running a great campaign and he is a new guy who hasn't whored himself out (yet) like Hillary and McCain have done for many years. His age is also beneficial since the next president will have a huge task on their hands and will need the energy and stamina to take on all of the challenges. And of course most importantly I like watermelon and Popeye's chicken.

Something like 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

In a DEMOCRATIC primary this means as much as saying Obama is winning the Red States.

No other group is going so heavily to one candidate or the other... the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black.

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American. He's as white as he is black.

Do you think that kind of logic works with some of the racist stooges described in the article? If one of their daughters brought home Obama as a date, would the dad think to himself, "he ain't half bad"?

"you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason"

yea dude
where did you get violence from??

"the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black"

blacks traditionally vote democrat
overwhelmingly

at the beginning of the primaries they were split between obama and hillary

they have gone obama
because hillary panders to the bigots

blacks traditionally vote democrat
overwhelmingly

Again this is a Democratic primary so this statement is silly, unless you're getting your talking points out there early for when 99.99999% of Blacks vote Obama in November.

at the beginning of the primaries they were split between obama and hillary

Like just about every other group still is... except Blacks. They vote 94% with the Black guy... but you're right, I'm sure that decision is made on a careful review of the issues...

Unfortunately, the racists in this election turning out in droves appear to be the blacks not the whites.
92 percent of blacks have voted for Obama this primary season.
The percentages don't lie.
Now let me get this straight. Most comments said White Trash have been racist?
Who is kidding who here.
Get with it folks.
All the college boys and girls on this site cannot stand people that have not been beaten down by college professors. Elitism is not the way to win an election. remember 2000 and 2004?
That is a rhetorical question above for us blue collar under 50,000 dollar a year folk.
This is the plan for the democratic party in the upcoming general election. To make white society feel guilty about racism. That's not going to get Obama to the promised land.
It is not going to work and is going to put a knife between people even further. But hey, that's ok with me. I'm voting for the other guy.

Why is it so hard to admit that Blacks are voting for skin color?

If there had never been a White male President in this country and one finally arrived on the scene that could win, I would probably vote for him for that reason...

It doesn't make you a racist to point out the obvious guys...

From Fox News Political Grapevine:


Not Over

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright may have stepped down as pastor, but the Trinity United Church of Christ may continue to haunt Barack Obama.

Newsmax reports the new Senior Pastor, Otis Moss, has called biblical patriarch Abraham a pimp, said Noah and Moses were thugs and said Jesus had a "soft spot for thugs." Moss has also praised late rapper Tupac Shakur as a prophet despite his profanity-laced lyrics that glorify violence and a criminal record including assault and sexual abuse.

Cybercast News reports another pastor as the church, reverend Reginald Williams, has written in the church bulletin that the Pentagon trains Latin Americans to become terrorists and the major TV networks are run by right wing racists who see blacks as subhuman.

The Obama campaign has not yet responded to our request for a comment.

"Here we go. You can call George Bush a monkey, but heaven forbid Black Jesus gets the same treatment."

Gee chairbitch you have blind spots in your racial memory.

"Monkey" has long been a racial insult hurled at Blacks. Actually many racists think Blacks are more closely related to monkeys than whites. that's why it's wrong to call a black man a monkey. Calling Bush a monkey is an insult to his intelligence. Fair game.

Let give a converse. If Obama referred to whites as "rednecks" he would be in deep doo doo. But Bush could refer jokingly to a group of whites in the South as "rednecks" and they'd probably cheer in return.

"It doesn't make you a racist to point out the obvious guys..."

It also doesn't make a black person racist for wanting to help elect the first black president in history. AFter we've elected a few black presidents I think you'll find that skin color loses its importance to both whites and blacks.
If it were strictly a racist thing then people like Allen Keyes would be where Barrack Obama is.

"Monkey" has long been a racial insult hurled at Blacks. Actually many racists think Blacks are more closely related to monkeys than whites. that's why it's wrong to call a black man a monkey. Calling Bush a monkey is an insult to his intelligence. Fair game.

Let give a converse. If Obama referred to whites as "rednecks" he would be in deep doo doo. But Bush could refer jokingly to a group of whites in the South as "rednecks" and they'd probably cheer in return.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 09:54 AM | Reply |


Does Bush look like a monkey? Yes.
Does Hussien look like a monkey, specifically, Curious George? Yes.

Go cry a river you thin skinned little bitch.

"Like just about every other group still is... except Blacks. "

again rob

for blacks and non whites

pandering to racists is a sure fire way to lose those minority groups in HUGE numbers

especially blacks

"Cybercast News reports another pastor as the church, reverend Reginald Williams, has written in the church bulletin that the Pentagon trains Latin Americans to become terrorists and the major TV networks are run by right wing racists who see blacks as subhuman."

Er...the Pentagon has trained terrorists in S. America.
Major networks are run by white who though not strictly racist are definitely participating in a class war.

Er...the Pentagon has trained terrorists in S. America.


Posted by danni at 2008-05-13 09:57 AM | Reply


So then the article the other day about Special Forces having to cut back on South American training that was trumpeted as a bad thing by leftwing stooges was actually good news then?


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It also doesn't make a black person racist for wanting to help elect the first black president in history.

Okay so it sounds like you are at least open to the possibility that many are voting for him because he's black... good, we're getting somewhere.

Danni, what would you call someone who said they are voting for McCain because he's white?

No other group is going so heavily to one candidate or the other... the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

"Danni, what would you call someone who said they are voting for McCain because he's white?"

After a continuous succession of 43 white male presidents I would call that person a racist and possibly a sexist too. Or I might just call them Rob.

I would call that person a racist

exactly

I don't know what articly you are referring to 101.

Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

Posted by ddenton at 2008-05-13 10:03 AM | Reply


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Why is it that you Obama-ites are completely oblivious to what's in front of your eyes? How is admitting what is completely obvious to any thinking individual going to take away from your support of Obama (if you're white)?

It's not Obama's fault that the blacks are voting for him because he's black. (there, now will you admit what everyone other than you sheep already know?)

"I would call that person a racist"

Now you gotta admit that was taken out of context, I think Rob is auditioning for Faux News.

Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

Posted by ddenton


I didn't say its the only explanation, I said its the only honest one...

"You're even dumber than I thought. Explain the multitude of websites dedicated to comparing Bush's looks to that of a monkey.
Never mind, just STFU stupid."

blow me ChairWhore. Everyone knows Bush is called a monkey in question to his intelligence not because they racially beleive he is a monkey. You are such a little fuckhead to say that calling a Black man a monkey is not racially motivated after Blacks have been insulted as being "monkeys" ever since they've been chained up and sold in the US. And do you also remember the quack racist "scientists" trying to explain the close connections between Blacks and monkeys in the past?

you have no argument. Please shut the fuck up for a change.

Now you gotta admit that was taken out of context

It was the only part that answered the question...

If someone here said they were voting for McCain because he is White, you would call him a racist.

But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is.

Okay so it sounds like you are at least open to the possibility that many are voting for him because he's black... good, we're getting somewhere.


Would you be willing to concede that only a portion of the supposed 90% of blacks that have voted for Obama voted for him purely because he's black? Maybe only 20 percent of them voted for that reason and the other 70% voted because they like his policies or his messages?

Of course it could be the converse, and we'll probably never know what percentage truly voted that way, but is it fair to label all blacks who voted for him as racist because we'll never know?

"It's not Obama's fault that the blacks are voting for him because he's black."

I'll admit that they are voting for him over Hillary because he is black but then I am too.
I think it is important for America to FINALLY elect a black president and with all other things being at least equal then why the hell not?
I remember when we elected our first Catholic, most Catholics voted for him and it turned out to be a good thing for the ecountry, though Rev. Hagee would disagree.

But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


I'm curious. Just a day or two ago this number was 90%. When did it jump to 94%?

Earlier in the thread someone says 99.999 or some other drivel. I'm beginning to believe this number's being fudged a bit...

"But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is."

If they hadn't previously voted for white people you might have a point. The whites who are really racists will stay home or vote for McCain rather than vote for a black man, I don't think you can say the same thing about those black people because they have previously proven they would vote for a white person. Therefore a racial preference is not at all the same thing as racism.

Would you be willing to concede that only a portion of the supposed 90% of blacks that have voted for Obama voted for him purely because he's black? Maybe only 20 percent of them voted for that reason and the other 70% voted because they like his policies or his messages?

Absolutely... if you look at his margin of victories or support from other groups I would say its fair to conclude that 30-40% is basing their vote on race.

What would you call it if 94% of Whites were voting for the White guy and 30-40% were voting for him just because he's White?

I'm curious. Just a day or two ago this number was 90%. When did it jump to 94%?

Isn't that what he got in Indiana? If that's wrong I'll drop it back to 90...

Rob,

I don't care who a person votes for. I think it is entirely in their right to vote in any manner that pleases them.

While its quite ignorant people in general vote for a leader based upon some connection with them. Isn't it amazing how every Presidential candidate since Ike goes to church and professes their "christian" faith? (except Lieberman of course). Isn't it also cute how candidates like to go to their ranch and clear scrub similarly to how voters also need to mow their lawns? And a middle aged, ivy league, upper class woman taking a shot of whiskey in a bar? Only in America.

So people often vote based upon personal connections more than not. Not great but life.

What I find unacceptable is when people specifically say they will vote AGAINST someone based upon race or sex. that's fucked up.

I think it's fine to vote AGAINST somene because of their social platforms such as being for or against abortion, guns or death penalty for example.

To hrul racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Chairbitch,

you studiously choose to avoid the fact that Blacks have been racially insulted for hundreds of years by being called monkeys. To now take the Obama/curious George out of that context shows how full of shit you are now and generally always are.

To hurl racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Posted by furio

O'er the land of the Free... and the home of the brave.

The Bradley Effect is real enough no matter how much we might abhor it. Is it 5 points in the general election? 10? 15?

It means that any black candidate will have to have a large margin of error, larger perhaps than any woman candidate would need.

Particularly if said black candidate had Rev Wright for a Pastor and his own published comments demeaning the very swing voters he has so much trouble connecting with on the campaign trail.

Obama will either blow McCain out or be blown out by McCain, while HRC would win in either a close race or a blow out.

I understand that Obamites think that this isn't a problem because McCain is such a loser, in their opinion, and because a Dem SHOULD win this year.

But McCain was counted out early and often, and, given the distinct likelihood of an uptick in violence in Iraq or even in Iran, and given the Dem's history of nominating too liberal candidates who win Dem primaries but lose general elections, an Obama presidency is, as Bubba said, a roll of the dice.

And an unnecessary one at that.

With no one over the magic delegate number in early June, something over 100 delegates separating them out of 4000, and 35 million votes representing what will be a virtual tie in that number, the closest Dem Primary in history, SDs have every responsibility to vote for the candidate that they feel can best win the election, whoever that may be and for whatever reasons.

Of course, some will feel that it is much more important for the Democratic Party to make a statement about racism in America by rolling the dice with Obama than it is to win the Presidency.

"To hurl racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Posted by furio

O'er the land of the Free... and the home of the brave."

ARob,

Please note the words "close to being".

I read that article the other day but I just didn't know what article you referring to 101, now I'm a "speedbag"???
You know what, I don't understand your attempt at insult, don't really give a crap about some vague point you are trying to make and pretty much your humor has been quite weak of late. Vitamin deficiency??? You used to be funny but then so did Dennis Miller. He bores me now too.

"The Bradley Effect is real enough no matter how much we might abhor it. Is it 5 points in the general election? 10? 15?

It means that any black candidate will have to have a large margin of error, larger perhaps than any woman candidate would need. "


Corky,

What about Hillary's fat hairy feminist dyke effect?

Please note the words "close to being".

Posted by furio

Still fucked up... insults are close to being criminal? that's insane

Danni,
"Furryhole" is Furio. I wasn't addressing him and not you. Sorry for any confusion.

"Still fucked up... insults are close to being criminal? that's insane"

you should read up on slander and defamation.

"Obama will either blow McCain out or be blown out by McCain, while HRC would win in either a close race or a blow out."

That is quite a statement considering the amount of time remaining before the election and the lead that Hillary had over Obama a few months ago.
Nothing is guaranteed for any of the candidates so we may as well vote our consciences and hope to elect the person we truely want as our president.
It would certainly be sad to nominate a compromise candidate and then lose.

-What about Hillary's fat hairy feminist dyke effect?

No matter how hard it makes you, try to resist it as best you can, Furio.

"Was", not "wasn't".

101 thanks for the clarification.

Slightly funny flag for 101.

"Danni,
"Furryhole" is Furio. I wasn't addressing him and not you. Sorry for any confusion."

"Chairborne" is Chairbitch. Sorry is there was any confusion otherwise.

-It would certainly be sad to nominate a compromise candidate and then lose.

Yes, it would.... especially when we could have both as President.

Clinton/Obama '08!!

16 years is Better Than 8

"you should read up on slander and defamation."

Maybe you should. First, slander is a type of defamation, and second, it only creates a civil cause of action in the United States. Defamation is not a crime in America. Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory. You are the one with some reading to do.

In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

-furio

thats the reason that poor whites vote Republican. White Supremacy fuels their deluded sense of entitlement. They would rather vote against their economic interests than be associated with a party that is even slightly sympathetic to blacks and browns.

Maybe you should. First, slander is a type of defamation, and second, it only creates a civil cause of action in the United States. Defamation is not a crime in America. Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory. You are the one with some reading to do.

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-13 10:44 AM | Reply


Now you've done it...A George Bush or Iraq War deflection is most likely headed your way!

if Obama ran against a daemon for the presidency of the USA. The daemon would carry more than 15 states.

Im not talking about a hidden, covert, Oliver North type daemon, Im talking about a fork-toungued, crimson red dude with horns and a tail.

You would hear poor whites saying stuff like, "Im not sure I can trust Obama, we dont share the same cultural values, he's an elitist, his former reverend is bitter, etc, etc"

but what they are really, truly saying is, "I will never, ever, ever, vote for a black man. Even if he is brilliant, articulate, astute, a gifted orator and actually half white"

" Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory"

Actually it does if the statement is false and causes harm in some measurable way.

Look tool I didn't say it should be or is criminal. Read the previous text.

And go back to watching Matlock.

Furio,

Racist statement? Race-conscious people supportin Obomba.....Racist statement?

The fact that you immediately called me a racist demonstrates my point. The black folks are being honest about it and certainly I can understand them...uneducated and racist as they've been trained to be by our lovely public school system. It's the white Obomba supporters, always willing to cry "racist" at anything they don't like, that really makes the case, though.

Thanks for helping with the classroom demonstration.

"Racist statement? Race-conscious people supportin Obomba.....Racist statement? "

Well Jon what should I refer to you as after making such an asinine statment that people are only voting for Obama because of racial reasons not perhaps becuase of his abilities?

well, then i guess the students at your shitty public school represent ALL BLACKS all across the nation.

and you're a teacher? no wonder

Posted by Roy_Batty at 2008-05-13 09:19 AM

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black.

(cont.)

Through an unfortuitous confluence of circumstances, a demographic group has obtained de facto control of the nomination process of the Democrat Party as that demographic has voted on a polarized racial basis, and the other constituencies of the party have not been yet so motivated by a compelling racial bias.

All you need to do is observe other processes in nature, which simulate that occurring here, and the inevitable coalescence that will occur. There are even mathematical models, which describe similar phenomena that make such predictions. The outcomes predicted statistically approach certainty." The emergence of racial politics will culminate in a situation in which those who fostered the polarization, will reap the whirlwind.

In polarization, the pole that attracts also repels, so that race as an attractant to one group transforms itself into an anathema to other groups. The "field" forms, and the disposition of forces will prove "interesting."

There are other factors that affect the disposition of forces with the general economic malaise created by the increasing world population without equivalent increase in available resources may reconfigure the field. But we shall see what we shall see. The "responsibilty" for the malaise resulting from the final operation of Malthusian forces will be placed on some politicians, who with all others, did not perceive the immanency and imminency of the cataclysm that is upon us, and in its initial stages.

In this milieu, oblivious to the meaningful forces that affect us all, the focus is upon the superficial racial element. The pot calls the kettle black. Those acting on a racial motivation, decry such portended actions by others as unacceptable to them. I reckon that there are "good racists" and "bad racists" in the lexicon of the left with "good racists" being those who ... , and "bad racists" being those unwilling to ... . Fill in the blanks.

The posturing of these leftist white people, who feel a need to have a black candidate in office, is ridiculous. They focus on matters of race, sexual dysfunction, assignment of roles to the sexes that counter biology, and other contrived "issues." In their confusion, they elevate superfluous issues to those meriting primary consideration and divert attention from issues affecting our very survival as a society. They ignore the underlying lurking catastrophes that may befall us. The considerations that concern the obsessed left, fade to insignificance as real world considerations impinge upon our lives.

There are a lot of white people who will recognize themselves in Obama, and vote for him.

Don't forget six months ago there were people worrying that he "wasn't black enough".

That the first non-white President will be of mixed race is a huge plus for everything we love about this country.

johnson

'Obama wants to "get even"'

you couldn't pay hollywood to come up with better gross exagerations

I think Hillary is a horrible administrator due to her campaign performance and that McCain is a flipflopping idiot with anger management problems. Guess by Johnson's and Ryker's reasoning this makes my voting racially motivated.

Furio,

What demonstrated abilities has he displayed, exactly, and do you think the boyz in the hood are listening to him?

See, I work in the hood, and there is no evidence they no any of his positions...they simply know they and their parents are gonna vote for him because he's a black guy. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with that....I don't see racism as any more than a certain brand of ignorance, and god knows, these kids are ignorant, courtesy of the schools they're forced to go to. Nope, nothing wrong with blacks voting for him for that reason alone....White's doing it for the same reason...to fix the racial guilt they apparently feel, is the misguided part. Projecting your racial guilt onto others isn't productive, and for that, I have contempt. Your reaction was very typical of the Obombite white racists, who are trying desperately to get others to fix the guilt they feel for being racist. They, of course, project this onto others, because it's uncomfortable....leading to many spurious accusations of "racist" such as the one you just served up.

So, to answer your point, I'm not being racist by stating the facts...facts about which I have a ton of first-hand knowledge, given my profession and work location. I don't see racism as evil...just an inconvenient side of human nature as a biological reflex against the unfamiliar...You're the one whose only possible explanation of my statement lies in racism. Who's the racist?

Global74,

Not All Blacks...just 94% of them.

Global74,

Correction: 94% of the Democratic Party registered voters who showed up to vote in the primaries.

For decades, the Dems have been only too happy to peddle their grievance-mongering to the union voters in the rust belt, and didn't mind at all that they were building mutually exclusive coalitions. For all I hear about the so-called "Southern strategy" of the Republicans, race has actually been a bigger problem for the Dems, as we see now.

What will be unfortunately lost in this election is the multitude of reasons to be leery of Obama, simply on his merits. He pretends to be the candidate who transcends politics, but is the Dems' most reliable member on Congress--in fact, he votes with the the Democrats more often that Harry Reid, the majority leader, does. He hails his success as a "community organizer" to a country that doesn't even know what such a thing is--my community manages to get by without law school grads making $15,000 a year doing "community outreach"; so do most--so why is he peddling under-employment as a virtue? Tack on to that his egregious ignorance of economics and tax policy, and his lack of any real experience or accomplishment, and you have an empty suit.

I looked at Edwards and HRC and Obama as all cut from the same cloth. The positions are exactly the same, only the packaging is different. Like the Wheaties boxes that featured a different athlete on them, and kids would actually argue over which one was better. Silly, really. And there is absolutely no way--NONE--that ANY Republican candidate should have a chance this year, let alone a septugenarian retread. But here we are.

Obama is now a millionaire Johnson, he already got even and then some. I think it is you who want to get even with these uppity black folks who are taking your job, dating your sister and sitting right there in the front seat of the bus with your mother. Meanwhile Barrack glides by in his beautiful limo and OMG!!! he's riding in the back seat!!!!
I think the anger and frustration that it brings out in racists is a good enough reason alone to pick Obama over Clinton. Pissing off racists is fun.
I hadn't realized how much I missed the sixties.
Now if we could just get a bigger turnout for the anti-war demonstrations.

"Without racism there would BE no Obomba volunteers."

Look asshole this is what you wrote back at the beginning. Basically stating the only reason anyone would be behind Obama is for racial reasons. The converse applies here that you think he is unqualified because you are a racist.

Get the fucking picture?

And real cute "Obomba" reference as if he is a muslim terrorist. Didn't see that at first.

you really are a racist asshole.

Rightisright,

I am interested to see how it goes. I'll be very surprised if McCane doesn't win, though. I just can not believe that people will vote for higher taxes at a time like this. It's not about liking McCane...it's about not wanting tax hikes. The center, where this election will be won and lost, does NOT want tax hikes, regardless of their war position, which won't matter as long as we don't lose.

As for the rest of the GOPers, that's a different story. As long as they sit around with their thumbs up their asses and no platform, they're gonna get smacked. We'll see if a little self-preservation kicks in.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 10:17 AM

While its quite ignorant people in general vote for a leader based upon some connection with them.

Thank you RightisRight for giving a proper and valid criticism of Obama. The one correction I will make is Obama met and worked with Republican counterparts in the Senate as soon as he was sworn into office so he has shown willingness to cross political boundaries.

RisR preaches about Obama's "egregious ignorance of economics and tax policy" after voting for Bush twice with the results obvious after the first term. Hilarious. Hey RisR, I'll take my chances on Obama and I'll tell you one thing which is absolutely sure...he can't do nearly as bad as the guy you helped elect and who's utter failure was 100% predictable by anyone who understood anything about economics and international events.
Lincoln Chafee's op-ed about the tax cuts for the rich made it clear that Bush was INSANE to anyone who was willing to actually consider the ramifications of that tax cut.

I shall, forthwith, endeavor to ascertain the primal disposition of the macrocosmic, albeit occasionally microcosmic, cast of the cosmos from my lofty, yea, verily, towering--nay, bordering on exalted, perhaps olympian--sky-high eyrie within the ever-expanding and contracting gyre that is the omphalos--indeed, not to put too fine a point on the matter, the veritable yoni--of my parabolic, to say nothing of diabolic, universe. But I digress and, not wishing to tarry any longer, shall resume my meanderings along the highways and byways of life's Tunnel of Love, from which, upon my reemergence I shall, post haste, consent to drop some more pearls into the trough. (To be continued)
Adieu,
Ray J. "You Can Call Me Ray, Or You Can Call Me Jay, But You Doesn't Hafta Call Me Johnson" Johnson

"I just can not believe that people will vote for higher taxes at a time like this."

We currently have the largest deficit in history and the dollar falls in value daily. When do you think you would need to raise taxes??? When there is a surplus????
Let's make it simple...the government has to borrow money to pay the bills. It is cheaper in the long run to enact taxes than it is to continue borrowing.
GEt it???

Now let me get this straight.

Clinton compared Obama's win in SC to Jesse Jackson's win in SC and that was terribly racist so blacks are totally justified in voting for him based on race.

Meanwhile when white males don't vote for Obama (on like a 60/40 split) it is because they are terrible racist bastards. Could white males not voting for him be justified by Obama calling them ignorant, racist bible thumpers before the PA primary? Could it be because his supporters call them trailer trash, insist that they have sex with farm animals, and call them stupid because they didn't attend college and earn their degrees in sociology, black history, and women's studies like the smart Obama supporters?

Overall, I see racially charged statements consistently coming from one side of the campaign and let's not even get into the anti-women statements and names used against Hillary. Don't think for one second that calling her a bitch' is any less derogatory than using the n-word' ... .

Rob The A Hole,

Thanks for pointing out the large population of blacks that are voting for Obama. I'm not sure what your point because that has nothing to do with this article. Lets look at some of the statements in the article.

'I'll never vote for a black person,'

"Hang that darky from a tree!"

"He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"

Now how does that compare to the 92% of African Americans who are supporting Obama? I will bet you big money that the vast majority of these people have voted for and supported white candidates many many times. 92% of African Americans voted for John Kerry. The majority of African Americans supported Kerry and Edwards over Al Sharpton during the 2004 primaries. Black people have supported white candidate sover and over again in a huge way. Can the same be said about white people supporting black candidates? Damn dawg, can't we get at least one?

If you believe that the recipe to keep a country out of recession is tax INCREASES during a time of war, then that's what elections are for. Go ahead. I'm still waiting on your answer from the other day, Danni--how much do you want your taxes to go up? Or are you one of those who wants to increases taxes on other people?

I'll bet it's the second one. No middle- or lower-class Dem wants to go back to Clinton-era tax rates. It just bothers them that people wealthier than they got their taxes cut too.

Simple question. Just give me a number: how much do you--DANNI--want your taxes to go UP?

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world.

--glurihole

Why is that lefties who cry "racist" the loudest can't help but lump other people into convenient groups, to which they assign their own labels? You do realize how stupid you sound, right, assmuch?

"Actually it does if the statement is false and causes harm in some measurable way."

I know it sounds crass, but if someone is black and you yell a racial slur at them, is that a "false" statement? I don't think it is.

"Look tool I didn't say it should be or is criminal."

No. You said it's "close to being criminal." And it isn't, since defamation isn't a crime.

"Wouldn't a candidate "connected" to you more probably share some of your concerns, and also probably pursue a course of conduct more congenial to you?"

Are you kidding? I am voting for someone who is to lead my country and the last superpower in the world. Do you think I give a shit if he prefers Cheese Wiz or Swiss? I don't care what he/she fucks or who they fuck as long as it's not me nor my country. Anyone who is willing to run for president has absolutley nothing in common with the other 300 million US citizens. Let's see of the last several presidents and candidates how many of them are from Yale and how many from Harvard? Jesus these shitheads were even classmates! The only thing they have in "common" with the common people is they all eat, sleep and shit. Any other similarities are simply trivia nothing more.

I want someone who will do their job and not fuck up and most importantly will not sell out the US to corporate and wealthy special interests.

And then I just have to say how STUPID you guys sound saying you will vote for McBush who already has said HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT TAX CUT PERMANENT!!!
By the end of his first term gas will be $10. per gallon!!! We'll all be unemployed and still stuck in an expensive war we can't afford.
And then you IDIOTS make fun of the folks who want CHANGE!!!
Bush voters should never be allowed to go near a voting booth again for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children. My Grandchildren will still be paying down the debts your president ran up when they have kids of their own.

Let's make it simple...the government has to borrow money to pay the bills. It is cheaper in the long run to enact taxes than it is to continue borrowing.
GEt it???

Posted by danni
* * * *

Cheaper still to cut spending. But with Obama at the helm, we can't be expecting much of that, can we?

" I'm still waiting on your answer from the other day, Danni--how much do you want your taxes to go up?"

I answered the other day. I want the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich to Expire. That will probably not be quite enough because he has dug a seriously deep hole but it will be a start. Add to that some tariffs to protect jobs and raise revenues and we might start rebuilding our economy.

"Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world."

"Why is that lefties who cry "racist" the loudest can't help but lump other people into convenient groups, to which they assign their own labels?"

EatShit,

I was born in PA. My family background is PA Dutch. My family were sharcroppers. Trust me I know PA white trash racist as I've lived it.

"If you believe that the recipe to keep a country out of recession is tax INCREASES during a time of war"

Duh we always raise taxes during wars....wars cost money. We are supposed to have to sacrifice during wars. You lunatics think we can fight overseas wars and not raise taxes.....dream world. Disconnected from reality. Sad. Your type of thinking will bring about the end of the US as we know it. Our forefathers would be ashamed of you whiners.

I want someone who will do their job and not fuck up and most importantly will not sell out the US to corporate and wealthy special interests.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 11:37 AM

Talk about narrowing the field. Has their been any candidate from either House not elected because of corporate or special interests money??

Bush voters should never be allowed to go near a voting booth again for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children. My Grandchildren will still be paying down the debts your president ran up when they have kids of their own.

Posted by danni
* * * *

So? I'm paying down the debts your generation ran up, and the ones before that.

I'm all for government borrowing, provided it's for the right things. Much as I admire the libs' new-found commitment to balanced budgets, I also remember how you used to think it was immoral to "balance the government books on the backs of the poor", and so on. Methinks that when Obama submits a blockbuster budget and staggering deficits, that this talking point will fade away.

There are certain projects that should be financed with borrowing, including wars. Infrastructure. Roads and highways and airports and dams. And since federal budgeting allow for their segregation on the flow-of-funds statement, we unfortunately aren't able to think in the same way that we do when, say, the state of Florida wants to build a new toll road with revenue development bonds.

How much, Danni? $1,000 a year? $5,000? How much is an Obama presidency and a repeal of the Bush tax cuts worth to you?

"Cheaper still to cut spending. But with Obama at the helm, we can't be expecting much of that, can we?"

Let's see Clinton had a balanced budget. Reagan way overspent and so did W. Now why do you think Obama will overspend considering its now a Republican way of life?

I was born in PA. My family background is PA Dutch. My family were sharcroppers. Trust me I know PA white trash racist as I've lived it.

Same here, asshole. I know a lot of good people, white and black. Amazing how YOU'RE the only one who wants to lump a group by race and location to conveniently slam them, and then cry that others are racists. You should just shut up before you reveal yourself any further, glurihole. Don't forget your armband on the way out....

"Talk about narrowing the field. Has their been any candidate from either House not elected because of corporate or special interests money??"

Yes Crispee,

This is my main reason for voting Obama. He hasn't been in national politics long enough to be so thoroughly whored out. He still has the ability to make decisions based upon what is best for the country rather than what's best for his backers.

You lunatics think we can fight overseas wars and not raise taxes.....dream world. Disconnected from reality.
Posted by danni

* * * *
Actually, that's exactly what we're doing. And with the 10-year bond yield at 3.85%--below the rate of inflation--it's cheaper to borrow the money than to raise taxes.

But that won't make it to one of Obama's talking points, because he doesn't understand. He cashed in his IRA two years ago and paid penalties and taxes, despite a high income. People who understand basic finance don't make that kind of mistake, and it has nothing to do with skin color.

Can I assume from you answer that you're not willing to pay higher taxes for the privilege of having Obama in the White House?

What do sharcroppers shar, anyway?

Let's see Clinton had a balanced budget. Reagan way overspent and so did W. Now why do you think Obama will overspend considering its now a Republican way of life?



Posted by furio
* * * *

No, he didn't. Take out Social Security receipts, and Clinton was running deficits too. But I'll acknowledge that Clinton governed as more fiscally conservative than Bush has, which is disgraceful.

Bush voters should never be allowed to go near a voting booth again for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children. My Grandchildren will still be paying down the debts your president ran up when they have kids of their own.

Posted by danni
* * * *

Of course millions of vets voted for Bush. Active and retired. Didn't the Gore campaign try and exclude thousands of military votes because of some postmark??? Wasn't that Florida? I guess I shouldn't be surprised by said poster.

"Same here, asshole. I know a lot of good people, white and black. Amazing how YOU'RE the only one who wants to lump a group by race and location to conveniently slam them, and then cry that others are racists."

Ok Cookfish, let's play this game. Please tell me when talking to whites in PA with less than college degree you have not heard issues about Obama being black or a muslim in hiding? You also haven't heard all the worries about blacks moving into the neighorhood? etc, etc, etc?

I shall, forthwith, endeavor to ascertain the primal disposition of the macrocosmic, albeit occasionally microcosmic, cast of the cosmos from my lofty, yea, verily, towering--nay, bordering on exalted, perhaps olympian--sky-high eyrie within the ever-expanding and contracting gyre that is the omphalos--indeed, not to put too fine a point on the matter, the veritable yoni--of my parabolic, to say nothing of diabolic, universe. But I digress and, not wishing to tarry any longer, shall resume my meanderings along the highways and byways of life's Tunnel of Love, from which, upon my reemergence I shall, post haste, consent to drop some more pearls into the trough. (To be continued)
Adieu,
Ray J. "You Can Call Me Ray, Or You Can Call Me Jay, But You Doesn't Hafta Call Me Johnson" Johnson

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Awesome, Doc. Funny Flag times two! Such worldly erudition doth our Johnson possess. He's like the late William F. Buckley -- only more offensive.

"This is my main reason for voting Obama. He hasn't been in national politics long enough to be so thoroughly whored out."

To paraphrase cookfish, this sounds like a recent college grad trying to pad his resume. "My lack of experience is actually a positive!"

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt...ad nauseum

But he could not have done it without the House and Senate. It's been grab bag economics for 7 years. Same with the oil. Outside the cartel the market is completely unregulated and prone to abuse.

Not all that different from the Clinton Administration that allowed Wall Street to play their games. It's just that the 401k's have been wiped out or diminished, so the government is only deep pocket left.

Get it while you can.

Posted by gl0bal74 at 2008-05-13 10:45 AM

In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life ...

... because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

-furio

... thats the reason that poor whites vote Republican. White Supremacy fuels their deluded sense of entitlement.

They would rather vote against their economic interests than be associated with a party that is even slightly sympathetic to blacks and browns.

(cont.)


Are you instead referring to social status?

Just curious? What is the source of all of this wealth that the Democrats will transfer to "blacks" and "browns" and "poor whites?" Is it created out of the whole cloth. Is it the loaves and fishes miracle that Jesus managed (Matthew 14:), or is it a promise to seize and transfer what is produced by others, and give it to less productive or less provident people, using coercive government mechanisms to accomplish this transfer?

Haven't you libs created some of this hostility by conferring special racially based privileges on blacks at the expense of poor whites. Let's see. A black, he could be a black M.D.'s son, whose lived a life of relative wealth and privilege, and a poor disadvantaged white boy, are competing for a college slot. The rich black doctor's son and the impoverished white boy are both marginal. the standards for the richd black doctor's son are lowered, so he gets the slot, and the poor white boy is shunted back into the grip of poverty. Just one of many examples of corrupt politicians creating divisiveness to foster their own security in office. Why is the poor white boy less worthy?

In the matter of distgributions, is the proper role of government to be "Robin Hood," the thief, who takes from some, gives to others, and keeps plenty for himself? How far shuld government go in seizing and transferring wealth, or setting up conditions that accomplish the same thing. What are the areas in which government should do this? Food Stamps? Welfare grants? At what level does charity necessary for survival become egregious action equatable with downright robbery? It's not stealth theft, but more like robbery, because it is coercive.

Could it be that the poor white folks just want to maintain a sense of autnomy and independence rather than convert themselves into medicants dependent on the largesse distributed to them by thieving politicians in exchange for their votes. Isn't this commendable?

You have all of the instincts of a brigand. Buy a mask and a gun. Support gun control so that it's more likely your intended victim is armed, and go forth and rob directly rather than using the government as an intermediary. Or is even that too much work. You'd need to case the joint and take risks. Let the bureaucrat do it for you.

"My biggest negative is that I don't have any leadership experience. This is actually a positive, since I'll be easy to train!"

-Barack Obamateur

Many of the programs that the Democrats propose are merely concealed robbery.

They secure support of their co-conspirators by agreeing to share some of the loot.

The black welfare community is particularly amenable to this process. They actively vote to secure their benefits. It's not much work, but there are still complaints regarding the rigors that occasional voting imposes on the indigent community.

"And with the 10-year bond yield at 3.85%--below the rate of inflation--it's cheaper to borrow the money than to raise taxes."

And then when the holder of the bond goes to exchange it for money he gets repaid with inflated dollars. And as I said, keep doing it and gas will be $10/gallon by the end of McBush's first term.
Flim flam works for a while but eventually the bills come due. There is no free lunch and there are no free wars.

Obama cashing in, as a fairly young rich man with high political ambitions hardly indicates that he didn't understand the financial ins and outs, he just had entirely different priorities. Nice try though.

"Can I assume from you answer that you're not willing to pay higher taxes for the privilege of having Obama in the White House?"

No you can't. It will become increasingly clear to Americans that though they hate taxes they are going to hate inflation more. At least with taxes you can do something good for the country, inflation robs both the government and the people.
Funny that we end up in inflationary spirals after low tax Republican administrations and then REpublicans blame them on the president stuck with the job of stabilizing our currency. That's what 24/7/365 propaganda does. Many of the posters here (not RisR I think) hold the opinions they do not because of their own though (though they think they do) but because ideas were planted in their heads by right wing talkers. Right wing ideas are like songs you can't get out of your head....they suck but once they are planted it is hard to kill them.
Here's one of the popular right wing tunes of today...."Free Trade." Sounds nice, sounds innocent, sounds like it would be good for us. It is anything but good for us.

Hmmm.... Promote a member of the black race or win the White House. Wonder which one the Dems will choose in August? And, yes, they are mutually exclusive.

"concealed robbery. . .share some of the loot"

Sounds just like GOPiggy corporate welfare.

Many of the programs that the Democrats propose are merely concealed robbery.

They secure support of their co-conspirators by agreeing to share some of the loot.

The black welfare community is particularly amenable to this process. They actively vote to secure their benefits. It's not much work, but there are still complaints regarding the rigors that occasional voting imposes on the indigent community.

Posted by Johnson

Whether it's truth, common sense or racism all depends on where you stand. Personally I have no problems with any race. It's culture I'm prejudice against.

though they hate taxes they are going to hate inflation more.


They've been juggling the books since Reagan, and that includes Clinton, to disguise the actual rate of inflation which should include any loss of buying power: Read, devaluation of the dollar.

Ron Paul speaks to this but obviously no one wants to hear about it, especially the Republicans, and the Democrats think they know how to solve it. They won't because they continue to cheat on calculating the CPI, etc., which has eaten away at the "entitlement" programs like social security and kept the interest rate artificially low.

Rate of inflation is really around 10% and it has been that way for a long time.

Johnson,

Bullshit! Blacks do have a higher per capita on welfare, but the majority of welfare people are white, and children. You have been sold snake oil by big business. Republicans paint a picture of evil lazy black people who just want to live off of your hard earned money. The facts say otherwise. 75% of people get off of welfare in the first year. It mostly helps poor white children who have lost their dad because of death or divorce. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants to be on welfare. I will never understand why people believe that their are so many people who are willing to live below the poverty line so they don't have to work. I don't know anybody like that, I bet you don't either. If you ask anybody if they would be willing to live in a shit hole and recieve less than a 1000 dollars a month, so they don't have to work, they will say Hell no. Black people vote democrat because the racist dixiecrats left the democratic party and swelled the ranks of the republicans. Its as simple as that. The elitist big business republicans courted the racisist elements of the south to win elections. They do this by apealing to things that don't matter, all while they are destroying unions, making it easier to ship jobs overseas, and allowing illegal aliens in by the assload. Republicans are about big business and cheap labor, nothing more. They can't win on that, so they divide the working class by claiming issues that working class people care about such as abortion, guns, and gay marriage. The big cat republicans give less than a shit about these issues. Don't believe me? Why is it that some of the most liberal judges ever appointed were by Reagan and Bush? Republicans can't afford to actually oveturn Roe V Wade. Why is it that illegal aliens were given amnesty under Reagan, and Bush once again proposed similar actions? Republicans love illegal aliens because they represent cheap labor and free taxes.

Why is it that illegal aliens were given amnesty under Reagan, and Bush once again proposed similar actions? Republicans love illegal aliens because they represent cheap labor and free taxes.

Posted by Jasper at 2008-05-13 12:30 PM |


I guess you were to young to remember the Cuban flotillas of Mr. Carters reign.

Furio,

"Asshole?" Does that sound like someone who thinks they've got a point?

You've yet to provide me with any reason to vote for Obomba aside from race. I'm still waiting for you to provide another reason.

You've yet to act like anyone other than a racist who can't control their temper and can't function in a debate.

Now, time to break out the gay sex references...

Thanks for pointing out the large population of blacks that are voting for Obama. I'm not sure what your point because that has nothing to do with this article. Lets look at some of the statements in the article.

My point is why is it a huge story about White racist voters, when Black voters are just as racist this year, but that is barely admitted let alone ever reported on.

I will bet you big money that the vast majority of these people have voted for and supported white candidates many many times...

Posted by Jasper

Did they really have a choice? Sharpton, Jackson and Mosley-Braun were are jokes, they weren't real candidates with any chance of winning. So the first time a legit candidate shows up you guys fly to him in such an overwhelming majority...

No person here can honestly say with a straight face that 90%+/- of Black voters are voting for Barack Obama because that many know and support his policies over Hillary's.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-13 11:22 AM

Obama is now a millionaire Johnson, he already got even...

,,, and then some. I think it is you who want to get even with these uppity black folks who are taking your job ...

,,, dating your sister ...

... and sitting right there in the front seat of the bus with your mother.

Meanwhile Barrack glides by in his beautiful limo and OMG!!! he's riding in the back seat!!!!

I think the anger and frustration that it brings out in racists is a good enough reason alone to pick Obama over Clinton. Pissing off racists is fun.

I hadn't realized how much I missed the sixties.
Now if we could just get a bigger turnout for the anti-war demonstrations.

And this is why we are a dying, foolish empire. Play to the stupids,
celebrate the narrow spaces in their hearts and heads, ridicule and inspire suspicion towards intelligence and compassion -- the republican platform since Nixon. So, yeah, lets play down to the worst in our society... Maybe what we should do is marginalize the knownothings, yeah, that'd be a change. Celebrate the higher aspects of humanity... Nah, that just wouldn't be John Wayne's America.

I live in a lovely enclave. Even our servants and tradesmen, and gardeners are white.

LMAO

Too many big words, Johnson. You gotta slow down and ease up for Danni...she's a few clowns short of a circus.

"My point is why is it a huge story about White racist voters, when Black voters are just as racist this year, but that is barely admitted let alone ever reported on." Posted by Rob

What an asshole. Dude, this is the first article I have seen about racist white voters. I have seen huge articles about the black support of Obama. Every time I turn on the news I see reports about the large number of black Obama supporters. What the fuck are you talking about? Also, where are the black people who are saying that they would never vote for a white person? Come on dawg, you can't be that stupid.

Johnson,

Are limo-liberals REALLY gladdened by black successes, such as they are, or are they more interested in keeping them ignorant, poor, and voting en masse for the Dems on the basis of a few crumbs from the tax barrel?

I think you give them far too much credit for being well-meaning. I think they know that educated people who start their own successful businesses don't need handouts and don't vote Democrat. I think they know that by enlisting them in their own repression, they ensure the next generation of ignorant, racist, Democratic voters.

What they don't get is that 60% of American workers now own stock and that percentage is rising....They aren't gonna be able to get away with extorting corporations to finance their voter base for too much longer, because too many people are corporate owners now. Well, I guess they do get that because they're trying hard to make it impossible for corporations to do business in this country. I presume they will fail, as they always do, but they're taking a lot of poor, ignorant people down with them.

But we all know that they're nicer than Conservatives....

jasper the only time there were more blacks on welfare then whites ----was after clinton reformed welfare -while opposin enterprise zones for inner cities he gave benefits and incentives to light industry in rural areas-nlack people lost jobs for the same reason they left the south in 30-40---heavy industry needed workers -that same industries are failin now ---so jobs a have left most industrial cities-but the workers still remain
jasman

Jasman,

Republicans get credit for welfare reform. By my recollection, Clinton vetoed twice. Gingrich crammed it down his throat, along with balanced budgets.

jasper the only time there were more blacks on welfare then whites ----was after clinton reformed welfare -while opposin enterprise zones for inner cities he gave benefits and incentives to light industry in rural areas-nlack people lost jobs for the same reason they left the south in 30-40---heavy industry needed workers -that same industries are failin now ---so jobs a have left most industrial cities-but the workers still remain
jasman

Posted by newjasman


I meant per capita. White people have always been the majority of people on welfare. Blacks have a higher percentage because we have a higher percentage of people living below the poverty line.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-05-13 11:47 AM

What do sharcroppers shar, anyway?

It will be amazing to see when a person of color runs on the Repub side with conservative ideas to deal with our country's problems.

Because it will happen--a Michael Steele for instance.

Someone with the right experience to work out the issues.

Would the black community embrace this person because of his color or his ideas?

Would the white and other community embrace him because of his color or his ideas?

The problem with Obama is he is wrong for the country--he lacks any experience and his judgment is off the charts--he can't even see his pastor for the man he was for 20 years. WTF is he going to do in the WH? Who is he going to bring into the WH with him? More marxists like minded people? More liberals?

No Thanks--

Too bad Obama wasn't a Republican with the right of center ideas instead of on the freeway marxist ones.

He would win in a landslide--or would he? He would have probably 60% of the white vote--but would he have 92% of the black vote?

Murphy

The fact that this is as much of an issue is is proof that racism is still alive and well in the US. This should relieve a lot of the guilt some of you have. We are free to dislike people for the color or lack of color of their skin or even just because of the way they smell. Ahhhh.......Don't you feel better!

Murphy,

The republicans already been there and done that. In 2004 the most conservative person running was Alan Keys, a black man. He got crushed.

"It will be amazing to see when a person of color runs on the Repub side with conservative ideas to deal with our country's problems."

Don't give up yet: Alan Keyes is still "prayerfully considering" seeking the presidency as an independent.

Posted by Jasper at 2008-05-13 01:00 PM

I meant per capita. White people have always been the majority of people on welfare. Blacks have a higher percentage because we have a higher percentage of people living below the poverty line.

From the story: ''One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."''

Isn't this Obama's Reverend Wright's message too? Looks like Obama IS unifying the country around a common message after all. We can only HOPE.

I posted right of center ideas--not off the chart like Keyes--who BTW lacks experience and on the freeway to far to the right ideas. And how can he be taken seriously when he joined the race two weeks before the debate. This was in 2008.

And he ran against Obama in 2004-for the senate seat-and lost as he was considered a carpet bagger--which he was and not a product of the Daley machine like Obama.

Obama had a cake walk after the Dem Daley machine forced open the divorce papers of Ryan.

But did they look at Obama's pastor--did they care?
No--

They still don't care--they are in love with Obama--and when they find out more sections of the onion of Obama--they are going to cover it up and deflect and blame someone for bringing it up! And then call them a racist!

Murphy

"Seriously. Especially now after there have been generations of special provisions for blacks to better themselves?"

"generations"? are you counting the abolition of slavery as a "special provision"?

You really are a racist shit if you think Blacks have such an easy deal but still can't ahead.

Do these people yelling at the volunteers realize that Obama is also white?

Obama didn't have any say in who his parents were, but I'm willing to bet that if he did, he wouldn't change a thing, as both his parents were well educated and very diverse. Something people from the 'heartland' are not usually known for.

Obama had a cake walk..

Watch it Murph. That's an old slave term. You are looking at a torrent of indignant posturing coming your way any time now. I sense an oncoming YEAH!!! even as I type this...

you don't negotiate with terrorists
and you dont' negotiate with hateful morons

Posted by klifferd

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world. Of course they hate Black and worse yet uppity Niggers like Obama. In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

Posted by furio


And what sort of stupid insinuation are you trying to make here?

Posted by furio


oh it was a counter to your hate filled diatribe about racist white "amerikkka" you so thoughtfully chose to embellish with a cutesy reference to a hate group.

I make no insinuation or threats.I do however know not to poke a bear with a stick or "insinuate" your way of life is coming to an end and you wont like it because you are white. What way of life is coming to an end?

fact- white america for the most part is living the same way most americans do, working in a job, paying bills, hoping the best for their progeny. To think otherwise is debasing and nonfactual.

There are lots of states with a higher level of humanity where Obama will do fine. Personally, I would rather nominate who we want and risk losing the election than to bow to these human scum bags.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-13 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well said!

What an asshole.

Posted by Jasper


go fuck yourself... if 94% of White voters were voting for Hillary, you and every other Black poster here would be crying about how this country is still so racist and we haven't come far at all and blah, blah, blah...

You want equality in this country? Here's equality... Blacks are voting for Obama because he's black and that makes you no better then the overall wearing hillbilly mountain people in West Virginia.

"You really are a racist shit"

furio

and he writes really pretentious long blog posts that are way off base in every way

johnson
it takes generations of accumulated wealth to get above the poverty line

the blacks started at base 0
whites started at base (owning blacks)

Why Jasper, is there a higher percentage of blacks living below the poverty line?

Seriously. Especially now after there have been generations of special provisions for blacks to better themselves?

Posted by Johnson


There is something known as the wealth deficit. African Americans started out with a wealth deficit that is being felt today. The largest way Americans accumulate wealth is through home ownership. The wealth from home ownership helps the next generation through inheritance. Blacks were largly shut out of home ownership until the 1970s. This means the blacks are vastly behind in wealth accumulation.

You can prove this by looking at a simlar thing in the white community. There are more southeners below the poverty line than northeners. Why Johnson, is there a higher percentage of southeners living below the poverty line? Are they just stupid? Are they lazy? Are does it have to do with a little something called Reconstruction? Reconstruction lasted from 1866 to 1877 and it caused a large wealth deficit. Now if white Southerners are still feeling the affects of Reconstruction, imagine the affect of slavery and denial of home ownership on African Americans. Got it?

well educated and very diverse. Something people from the 'heartland' are not usually known for.

Nice COMMONSENSE. Your elitist comment is a perfect example of why the those same "morons" in the heartland will thrash his elitist black ass in November. The same way they thrashed Kerry's elitist white ass and Gore's elitist wide ass in 2004 and 2000, respectively.

So, keep making fun of them. They don't really need any more reason to vote against you and your Birkenstocks. But it sure helps if you keep it up.

"both his parents were well educated and very diverse. Something people from the 'heartland' are not usually known for."

What the hell are you talking about? Look at standardized test scores and you will find that the 'heartland' does just fine against any other area of the country. As for diversity - is that the fault of the people that live there? I am from Green Bay, WI and the city is now >10% hispanic. Why was it not more diverse in the past - not because the people were racists. Anybody will be accepted in Green Bay as long as you are willing to work and obey the law. If people are too lazy and not willing to move to find a job you can't blame the people where the are jobs. Look at Milwaukee - there is mass unemployment and violence in parts of the city (parts dominated by diversity). Those people can buy a bus ticket for $20, move to Green Bay and live a middle class lifestyle within 1 year. If they chose not to do so, it is their fault if they don't - not racism...

I just got back from Michigan. The older folks in the neighborhood I grew up in, all in their 70's and 80's, all Teamsters and UAW retirees, are voting for Obama.

"I guess you were to young to remember the Cuban flotillas of Mr. Carters reign."

Ok Crispee, what should Jimmy Carter have done to stop the Mariel Boat Lift???
I'd really like an answer. Also the total was a tiny fraction of the number of Mexicans that have entered illegally under Bush. Not even 1%.

There is something known as the wealth deficit. African Americans started out with a wealth deficit that is being felt today.

Correction:

Black Americans started out with a wealth deficit that is being used as an excuse today.

"I do however know not to poke a bear with a stick or "insinuate" your way of life is coming to an end and you wont like it because you are white. "

Legio,

You have no understanding of social dynamics. Disenfranchised or impoverished groups are always seeking to find someone worse off than themselves to look down upon and claim some level of superiority. In the North East that is the Blacks for blue collar Whites. In every country I have lived in there was the same type of structuring. Some of the most violent racial confrontation in the US is Black versus Korean. And the Asians love to class rank as well among themselves.

There is something known as the wealth deficit. African Americans started out with a wealth deficit that is being felt today.

Correction:

Black Americans started out with a wealth deficit that is being used as an excuse today.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Double Correction:

White people from Mississippi started out with a wealth deficit that is being used as an excuse today.

There are more southeners below the poverty line than northeners. Why Johnson, is there a higher percentage of southeners living below the poverty line? Are they just stupid? Are they lazy?

Stupid - yes, I base this on standardized test scores and the lack of quality higher education in the South.

Lazy - absolutely. It is a mindset the same as someone living in a housing project in Gary, Indiana. There are jobs in this country - but sometimes you have to sacrafice and move to where the work is. You see this occur all the time in US history from building the Alaskan pipeline to the California Gold Rush and Dot.com boom. People who are not lazy will leave momma and uncle jed behind and move to where there is work. People that are lazy and don't mind being poor and don't mind living in a drug filled hellhole will stay there.

Jacque,

The study of Human Nature tells us that people who come from wealthier families tend to have higher test scores, lower teenage pregnancy, and lower crime rates. Prescot begat George HW who begat George W. There are jobs in this country, but if you were to follow the family line of a doctor in Kansas and a bartender in Missouri from lets say 1910 to now. The doctor's family line would have more educated people, less crime, and less teen pregnancy than the family line of the bartender. Wealth accumulation matters and it starts with home ownership.

White people from Mississippi started out with a wealth deficit that is being used as an excuse today.


Posted by Jasper


Just as true as what I said...

Most poor people use excuses for why they're poor... doesn't get them any less poor.

Some of the most violent racial confrontation in the US is Black versus Korean.

It was kind of amazing watching the Rodney King riot. The blacks were upset Koreans owned all the stores in their neighborhood and decided to burn them down. Of course they failed to understand how the Koreans and the family worked 16 hour days and most likely wouldn't have a store. Of course they were the first to complain they had no place to cash their checks...

Crispee,

Before you say stuff like that maybe you should read up on events like Rosewood, Tulsa, Great Memphis Race Riot, and the many other riots that resulted in White people killing black people.

Danni,

Funny, I don't remember him running on that. He certainly fought against it awfully hard, for someone who wanted it. I do remember him vetoing the bill the republicans made twice before being forced to accept it.

Balanced budgets were never in his plan, as he was trying to get Billarycare accepted, which certainly wouldn't have made for a balanced budget.

People are different, GET OVER IT. We, as Americans, have the RIGHT to NOT LIKE someone if we choose to. If it comes down to an opinion or a vote, Americans have the RIGHT to choose whoever on whatever basis they choose, race, religion, values, ideas, etc.

So what this political season is about RACE, it SHOULD be. A Black person is running against a white person and for the first time the black person has a REAL shot to be President. Once he becomes President, then all the White Liberal guilt will be washed away.... and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Rev. Wright can wash away into obscurity..... NOT.

Wake up people, Barry and Michelle will not make race relations better, but worse. The fact that Barry is (possibly) even President should silence the race mongers forever, it will not. Michelle will not be satisfied until she gets her pound of flesh from whitey (or an apology). Obama cannot run on ideas other than "Hoping" to "Change" race relations and the way our country is run. Seriously, he cannot folks.

Blacks are CONVINCED that once he is in office things will get "better" for them, they will not. Whites think that once they vote for them then ANY racist label cannot stick to them for the rest of their lives because "Hey, I voted for Obama!". Oh, it can still stick because in the end white America, YOUR VOTE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TO ERASE "WHAT YOU HAVE DONE" TO BLACKS.

"The study of Human Nature tells us that people who come from wealthier families tend to have higher test scores, lower teenage pregnancy, and lower crime rates."

On average yes - I say that the cause is laziness and lawlessness is a learned trait. However, in America - more than any other place on the planet - every individual has the chance and ability to break that cycle. That does not mean that it is easy for a poor black inner city kid to become a rocket scientist, but it is pretty damn easy to become a plumber or electrician and become middle class in this country.

I like to use the example of Gary, Indiana. My bother was a homicide detective there for a few years. The jobs have been gone for 20+ years. Most the town was dependent upon the steel industry - both whites and blacks. Now, the main street is boarded up (literally, the stores have painted plywood over the entire downtown area) and the only jobs are fast food, public service and gas stations. Most of the people living in the city receive government assistance or live in government housing. Also, a vast majority of the city is black. What happened to the whites and why do they not make up the same % of the city that they did in 1970 when the town was a thriving steel town? Basically, the white moved out when the jobs left. They did not want to take welfare when they could still work - many, many black families did the same. However, a disporportionate number of blacks stayed behind and now live in the per capita murder capital of the world. Still - they could move any time that they wanted to - there are NO JOBS keeping people there yet they stay. Are they poor, uneducated criminals because of racism or laziness?

Before you say stuff like that maybe you should read up on events like Rosewood, Tulsa, Great Memphis Race Riot, and the many other riots that resulted in White people killing black people.

Posted by Jasper


When were those, 1994? Oh that's right they were like a hundred fucking years ago...

"Not saying it's laziness, not saying it's some innate deficiency, but the failure of American blacks to get themselves ahead is not all due to skin color. Waiting for the government cheese turns you into a loiterer, not a contributor."

see4,

The paste removes any question of race being the issue. But your follow on comment doesn't give justice to the African American experience. Although slavery ended in 1865 in the entire US Blacks still faced many forms of government sponsored discrimination up until the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s that ALLOWED a level playing field. Jim Crow laws. Voting laws. etc. kept Blacks from getting ahead.

It takes many generations to overcome this second class (or less) treatment.

But it's not just Blacks who face a steep uphill battle but also impoverished Whites who have lived for many generations and never moved up.

The "American Dream" is generally only realized by immigrants or the first generation after that. If you can't make it then you can forget about it. Most immigrants to the US are very well educated and looking for opportunity. To say we get the best and brightest of the world is an understatement. Until the Patriot Act started that is.

I come from old PA white blue collar background. Part of the first generation to go to college. What was astonishing to me was I attended a top ranked private university (sadly not ivy) and I was one of the few people who was not from upper-middle class and above. As I entered the work force I noticed the exact same thing.

It is very hard to move up in the US regardless of race unless you know how to do it. Please remember all Blacks started off far worse off than any White person did.

Jasper,
There is no way you're black. No black dude says "dawg" in 2008, let alone twice in one thread.

You're a wanksta'.

Come clean Jasper Romney.

What was astonishing to me was I attended a top ranked private university (sadly not ivy) and I was one of the few people who was not from upper-middle class and above.

You went to a private university and you were surprised that most of the people were from upper middle class and above families? Go and look at the public unversity system and you will see most of the people are from middle class and below families. No one ever said it is easy to become an investment banker within 1 generation - but it is definitely possible (even easy) to become middle class. If you are not middle class in America, it is by your choice (and laziness)

Chairborne,

Hahahahahahaha you sir are very funny. Yes, dawg I am black. But you are right, I am starting to sound like Randy from Idol. Hahahahaha

This thread is getting old. Republicans always claim that black people are whining and pointing fingers, yet it is them that are pointing fingers. When they are presented with facts, they belittle and whine. That is there nature. Its not a mistake that they are the party of the Angry White Man. BoooHoooo, the niggers want to take my money, booohooo, why should I have to pay to make America better, boohoo. If it wasn't for these cry babies, maybe we could get some things done in this country. Can we at least get a republican who has some ideas to back up there crying? Jeesh, these people sicken me. I'm off to another thread.

Peace!

"You went to a private university and you were surprised that most of the people were from upper middle class and above families?"

JS,

That's where you go to move up. Or of course get into UNC, Berkely, ECLA or USC but those are extremely competitive and also filled by the offspring of the upper middle class.
You go to a good school to make connections in life. The good employers only recruit from the top schools. I didn't really understand the connections bit and screwed that up. I also had the typical blue collar snobbery to the "rich kids" that didn't help either. I at least got the right major compsci at the right time and got recruited into a good startup and took off from there. I have had to slowly build networks over the years. Never could justify taking the time off and cost for an MBA. If you do it right you go to a top 10 GLOBAL MBA program full time for the proper connections. You only take an MBA to either become an iBanker or for connections. Otherwise its a bit of a waste.

Basically without a bit of luck I would not have moved up as I have so far. Of course I could guide my children much more easily now with what I have experienced.

Seriously today's middle class is the same as the working class of the 1970s. You are screwed if that's what you shoot for.

"Its not a mistake that they are the party of the Angry White Man. BoooHoooo, the niggers want to take my money, booohooo, why should I have to pay to make America better, boohoo."

The funniest thing is the angry white men on this board benefit just as much as the blacks with wealth redistribution. I doubt any have even broken $100k a year in salary.

Furio.

I agree. What people don't understand is that this has ALWAYS been the case. Middle-class is not a destination, but a step on the path. Me, I always will be middle-class, and I'm fine with that,but it is important to have better ambitions than that for your children. That's the system. THat's how it's set up. Many don't get that, and the market is a harsh teacher. Those who realize that classes in America are not static do well. Those that expect someone to help them from one class to another simply don't get it.

FF for Jasper

Jon,

The problem is the "system" really doesn't work its mostly bullshit. People rarely get rich off of hard work but by bullshitting, taking huge risks with other people's money and stealing ideas. A very few make bank because they are actually brilliant. When you deal with these people you realize what life is about. Just a lot of scamming bullshit artists trying to get what money they can out of the working stiff.

The poor are told to work hard, keept quiet and one day they or their children will make it. Sounds a bit like what the Catholic church told the poor parishiners doesn't it?

Keeps the riff-raff in line. Notice how as the middle class is shrinking more and more law enforcement in the US is becoming tougher and tougher?

Once you have money it becomes so easy to make more and this makes it harder and harder for the poor and middle class to move up. that's why wealth redistribution and inheritance tax were created.

I can't aruge with most of what you say, Furio. by the way, it was not a paste from the original document, it was more of a paraphrase removing minutiae... that's why I gave the link for those who may want to read the whole document.

Your comment that "The 'American Dream' is generally only realized by immigrants or the first generation after that. If you can't make it then you can forget about it. Most immigrants to the US are very well educated and looking for opportunity. To say we get the best and brightest of the world is an understatement." is somewhat negated by the adjustments in the study that remove education from the equation yet still shows a gain by non-native blacks. But I will agree with you that people who take it upon themselves to immigrate here to start a new life may be more motivated on average, so maybe that's the differentiator when skin color and other factors are removed. More motivated = more successful and maybe native-born blacks aren't as motivated on the whole.

Furio - you did an excellent job of posting why it is very hard for a black person from a poor family to become an investment banker. However, your post did nothing to address the real issue at hand - why do blacks make up such a large % of population below the povery line and is it because of racism? I think you would even acknowledge that attaining middle class status is easy for anyone willing to work. I think people that are poor (minus the ones with mental issues) are poor because they are lazy. I don't believe racism is to blame - I think it is poor parenting and a community choosing to make fun of smart kids that leads to this predicament. Everyone in America has the chance to at least become middle class - the millions that have done it are proof positive.

"However, your post did nothing to address the real issue at hand - why do blacks make up such a large % of population below the povery line and is it because of racism?"

Jacque,

read the rest of my postings. And yes it is because of racism. Initially slavery and concerted efforts up unitl the Civil Rights Act to keep Blacks disenfranchised. You do remember how Blacks were even discriminated against in WW2? Only after WW2 were they allowed to serve with Whites?

The repercussions of shit like segregation and Jim Crow laws will live on in the Black community for a long time.

"The repercussions of shit like segregation and Jim Crow laws will live on in the Black community for a long time."

How can you state this when you have to admit that anyone in this country can attain middle class status regardless of the wealth of their family? Segregation and Jim Crow ended years ago in the south and never really existed in the west, midwest or northeast. Anyone can attain middle class status yet blacks are more likely to end up in jail than in college. That is not racism, that is laziness and poor parenting. No amount of legislation can make a person a better parent.

Jacque,

I now live in Hungary. Although communism ended 20 years ago the effects of only 40 years of communism is still glaringly apparant in the behavior of the people. It is for the whole region. Hungarians who maintained tight knit supportive extended families came out okay from the experience. People who did not and just followed the system are narcissistic and sociopathic in many ways. Not violent but extremely selfish and inconsiderate. Some also enjoy watching the suffering of others. Makes them feel better about themselves.

So the effects of slavery and institutionalized discrimination will have long reaching impacts on the Black community in America as well.

"How can you state this when you have to admit that anyone in this country can attain middle class status regardless of the wealth of their family? "

Anyone man with some training can run a 5 minute mile. But it takes hard work, kowledge of how to train and sacrifice. Same thing to move up. You need to KNOW that it is possible. Otherwise you give up after the first day when you are tired and sore.

Same thing.

It's also why many Whites are poor and have been poor since their poor ancesters came to America. The difference is all Blacks descended from slaves started out with nothing.

"So the effects of slavery and institutionalized discrimination will have long reaching impacts on the Black community in America as well."

I have been all over eastern europe and the only people not doing well are those that are retired and got their benefits cut to nothing. If you are lazy in Hungary or Bulgaria, you do not get the same handouts and sympathy you get in the US. Within 10 years (30 years total from the collapse of communism) no one in Hungary will be bitching about how they are oppressed. How long do we need to give blacks to get over it?

Jacque,

Most people don't bitch about oppression under communism except for the right wing nationalists. Communism from the 1970s on was pretty mellow. You just never criticized the government or the soviet Union. I would say many people were actually better off under communism. The schools were better by far then.

I'm talking about the psychlogical effects of Communism are still apparent in the psyche of the people.

You really have to think beyond people just being lazy in why they aren't successful. Depression, hopelessness are many factors to consider. Parents are a huge consideration in the attitude someone has growing up. A little abuse and neglect will destroy someone's life. They are scarred deep in their personality.

This is reality.

"Depression, hopelessness are many factors to consider."

There is absolutely no reason to feel hopelessness in the US. We all agree you can easily become middle class.

"Parents are a huge consideration in the attitude someone has growing up."

I agree 100% - most bad parents are lazy parents or drug addicts. I don't blame that on racism - it is always your choice whether you smoke crack or do meth. How can you solve this unless you don't let black parents have children? I actually think there should be 'means testing' before you are allowed to reproduce but that is another matter entirely.

Jacque,

You just don't get it.

Like many Americans you just believe everything is simple and easy like a 30 minute episode of Friends. Life is far more complicated. In the near future many White Americans are going to realize they just can't cruise anymore literally and figuratively. It's going to get tough. You hear how working/middle class like Danni and CalifChris are complaining about illegals, immigrants and nafta taking jobs. It's not that at all it's the system in America that is showing cracks. And unless you are aggressive and able to adapt you will fall through the cracks.

Just a bit of info many Blacks came from the South to places like Phila, LA and Oakland to help with WW2 efforts. As during the war anyone was given a job. After the war their jobs dried up and even if the economy grew like in LA Blacks still faced discrimination and couldn't get jobs. A lot couldn't afford to move back and eventually went on welfare. That's how a lot of the ghettos developed.

There is now talk that Suburbia will soon become the White ghetto due to rising costs of energy and commodities.

It will be interesting.

"A lot couldn't afford to move back and eventually went on welfare. That's how a lot of the ghettos developed."

Like I said earlier - it is a $20 bus ticket to Green Bay, WI where there are jobs for anyone willing to work. Why do you think we have illegal immigrants streaming into this country? - it is not because there aren't any jobs. It is just easier for some to sit in government housing and collect money from the government than to get up off your ass an clock in an 8 hour day. Please spare me your 'I can't get a job because of discrimination bullshit' - there is work for anybody that wants it in America. However, it does require that you get off your ass and maybe go somewhere where the weather isn't perfect year round and you may have to do some manual labor.

"You hear how working/middle class like Danni"

From what I know about Danni, she went though a string of lesbian partners and had a kid she probably could not afford. I believe she stated in the past that she smokes dope as well. Maybe if she stopped smoking pot and blogging for 5+ hours a day she would have more money and not be so concerned. Hell, maybe she could have gotten an education before popping out kids so that she would have a way to care for them. I don't know the specifics of her case, but I don't have a lot of sympathy based on what I do know.

"Please spare me your 'I can't get a job because of discrimination bullshit' - there is work for anybody that wants it in America. "

Not after WW2 and into the 1970s for Blacks. There was heavy discrimination across the country.

The funny thing is it was really Whites who created the urban ghettos in America. First by fleeing to the suburbs then refusing to employ the Blacks who moved in from the South looking for work but being refused.

You really don't understand how things changed because of the Civil Rights Acts and Affirmative Action.

Jacque,

Have you ever been in real trouble in your life? Illness? Jail? etc? Faced any true hardship where you went absolutely broke and had no job?

"Faced any true hardship where you went absolutely broke and had no job?"

I got my first job at 8 years old delivering newspapers. I also worked cutting lawns, peeling logs for log cabins, and baling hay/assorted farm work. There is always work and people don't care what color you are as long as you show up and are willing to put in your time. When I was baling hay, we had asians (Hmongs), latinos, whites all working. If you were willing pick up a hay hook and stack 6 high, you had a job. Almost all of the people that worked there were under 18 - over 18 could get better jobs with less manual labor. I still remember when we had a hay wagon going through Bellevue (suburb of Green Bay) and there was a guy with a "will work for food sign (30 something white dude" - we offered him $8/hour cash and asked him to hop on....I probably don't need to tell you his answer. I also know that we weren't the only ones that did the same and pretty soon the guy was gone - either got a job (doubtful) or he moved on to where people were more sympathetic to the lazy.

As to the broke part - I was always broke but still put myself through school. I sold my blood plasma for spending money. It is a classic case - if I did drugs, I would be 'fired' so I didn't. I went to class and studied and put myself through undergrad (no loans) and grad school (minor loans). I did not look for a hand out nor did I want one. I worked manual labor jobs until my MBA internship - they were not great jobs but it was honest work so I did it. I outright reject anyone that says it is not possible to get a job - maybe not the job you want at the wage you want, but you can go to any Taco Bell or In and Out Burger and get paid $9+/hour and not even have to do physical labor.

The funny thing is it was really Whites who created the urban ghettos in America. First by fleeing to the suburbs then refusing to employ the Blacks who moved in from the South looking for work but being refused.

But not before we gave them AIDS and crack pipes, right? I mean Wright?

You are wrong on this, Furio. And you are paternally racist. You're essentially saying tha once "massa" fled the cities, po' little nappies couldn't keep it together without the firm hand of "massa" to guide them? Wow.

Remember if a white woman had sex with a black man which one of them got lynched?

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 08:50 AM | Reply

In 1953. Thanks for your walk down memory lane, gramps

I think the Obama camp made up this story to try to keep the spotlight off Obama and Rev Wright's racism. What about the racism of Black voters, 97% of whom support Obama.

Attention anyone planning to cast their vote as some sort of act of reparation: Remember the "No Irish Need Apply" signs? Vote McCain.

Pitiful how much asinine deflection and denial has taken place through this thread. You don't have to be an Obama supporter to acknowledge that there remains a sad undercurrent of irrational fear and hatred of black people in this country. It doesn't make you a sucker or a tool or a liberal to admit it. It just makes you honest. Don't turn the tables. Don't change the subject.

The posturing of these leftist white people, who feel a need to have a black candidate in office, is ridiculous. They focus on matters of race, sexual dysfunction, assignment of roles to the sexes that counter biology, and other contrived "issues." In their confusion, they elevate superfluous issues to those meriting primary consideration and divert attention from issues affecting our very survival as a society. They ignore the underlying lurking catastrophes that may befall us. The considerations that concern the obsessed left, fade to insignificance as real world considerations impinge upon our lives.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-13 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

More 'cut-n-paste' dribble from little Johnson.

Where do you find these retarded ramblings? Was this posted on the bulletin board at your local Klan office?

There are lots of states with a higher level of humanity where Obama will do fine. Personally, I would rather nominate who we want and risk losing the election than to bow to these human scum bags.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-13 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well said!

Posted by COMMONSENSE

thats the spirit of love and inclusion.....dickbags

Posted by klifferd at 2008-05-13 09:45 AM

they have gone obama
because hillary panders to the bigots

It's time for a turnaround as racism begets racism. The racist church affiliations of Obama will continue to plague him. The "pastor" replacing Rev. Wright is possibly even more odious. Here Obama has a history of consorting with racists, domestic terrorists, people who corrupt politicians, and selected a wife who detests America. Obama being a natural "good guy," did not want to sully the reputation of his money-distributing pal, the corruptor now on trial, so Obama and his wife also took a payoff to maintain the "street-creds" of their benefactor. Great guy this Obama, leftist street thug, anti-white, anti-American, anti-domestic tranquility, anti-honesty and anti-integrity in government. And that's just for starters.

Decent people frightened by the prospect of this slick fraud attaining higher office will use any card against him. His race has been a factor in making him what he is today, and it is not anything desirable in a U.S. President.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-05-13 09:45 AM

they have gone obama
because hillary panders to the bigots

It's time for a turnaround as racism begets racism. The racist church affiliations of Obama will continue to plague him. The "pastor" replacing Rev. Wright is possibly even more odious. Here Obama has a history of consorting with racists, domestic terrorists, people who corrupt politicians, and selected a wife who detests America. Obama being a natural "good guy," did not want to sully the reputation of his money-distributing pal, the corruptor now on trial, so Obama and his wife also took a payoff to maintain the "street-creds" of their benefactor. Great guy this Obama, leftist street thug, anti-white, anti-American, anti-domestic tranquility, anti-honesty and anti-integrity in government. And that's just for starters.

Decent people frightened by the prospect of this slick fraud attaining higher office will use any card against him. His race has been a factor in making him what he is today, and it is not anything desirable in a U.S. President.

Legio,

You have no understanding of social dynamics. Disenfranchised or impoverished groups are always seeking to find someone worse off than themselves to look down upon and claim some level of superiority. In the North East that is the Blacks for blue collar Whites. In every country I have lived in there was the same type of structuring. Some of the most violent racial confrontation in the US is Black versus Korean. And the Asians love to class rank as well among themselves.

Posted by furio

Are you using your Bill Frist powers of internet diagnosis again Furio? I don't think you are capable of knowing what I do and don't understand much less capable of pontificating in a broad stroke how whole swathes of people interact and feel.. Please obtain an ego reduction and join the rest of us mortals

First of all, who says Obama is black anyway? If I recall, he's bi-racial. If that's the case... why is he considered black and not white? As a white male, I'm offended that he only honors one part of his heritage.

I find it rather arrogant and boarding on black supremacy that every time a prominent bi-racial person shows up... their automatically black. Tiger for example, is not black... he's bi-racial. The African American population seems to be the only group that does this. Why is that?

Quite frankly, from an election stand point, his skin color is the least of his problems. If McCain is Bush III... then Obama is Carter II. A vote for Obama is a vote for outrageous taxes, high unemployment, double digit inflation and mortgage rates, and lastly, a country without a spine.

In case anyone doesn't answer the above question... the African American population is more Prejudice (not racist) than any other segment. The is clearly evidenced the the 90+% voting of African Americans for Obama.

Again... not racist... but Prejudice.

There, I said it. Truth hurts.

Racism in America? No that can't be.

Does anyone have any common sense on this thread?

It is really a mission statement if that statement is never followed.....ask the republicans, they keep spouting the statement but ignore the fact it is never followed. They must be real smart voters.

"The African American population seems to be the only group that does this. Why is that?

Posted by Dont_TreadonMe at 2008-05-13 06:39 PM"

"They" do it, huh? You ever think that maybe whites call anyone who is bi-racial (part black) "black." Why didn't you ask why "whites" do this? Ever pull off your hood and give that one some thought?

In case anyone doesn't answer the above question... the African American population is more Prejudice (not racist) than any other segment. The is clearly evidenced the the 90+% voting of African Americans for Obama.

Hmmmmm!


Or could it be that Obama is just that good and has attracted 90% of the blacks and should attract 90% of the whites but the white don't vote for Obama because he is black.

It is funny watching these WHITE assumptions about these stats by making it out like the whites are the reigning control group. The WHITE attitude isn't the end all correct attitude but some seem to think so.

Let's get this WV election done already get the fuck out of the butt crack of the nation.

West Virginia's state motto should be "Dumb as Fuck and Damn Proud of IT".

Well Jacque,

I cleaned my fellow classmates toilets and emptied their garbage in gradeschool to earn money for college. The catholic church has no problems paying underage labor $1 an hour or fucking them in the ass. I took the $1. In university I worked graveyard shift waiting tables at Denny's while doing minimum wage physics research work during the day in the summers.

I also developed an understanding how poor, ignorant people would be unable to deal with their situations when they knew nothing else.

I also sucked it up like a bitch working for scumbag assholes enjoying my cheap labor to move up.

The American Dream is a fucking joke. For Blacks it's fantasy land for many of them

Legio,

It's obvious you haven't progressed past your white trash origins. When did you get broadband in your doublewide?

"You are wrong on this, Furio. And you are paternally racist. You're essentially saying tha once "massa" fled the cities, po' little nappies couldn't keep it together without the firm hand of "massa" to guide them? Wow. "

See4,

No you ignorant fucktard. You really do not understand how socioeconomics works. Or possibly the female vagina as well. Fucking little racist piece of shit. What happened some black guy finally satisfied your girlfriend?

If you don't understand history, fuck off.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-13 06:17 PM

More 'cut-n-paste' dribble from little Johnson.

Where do you find these retarded ramblings? Was this posted on the bulletin board at your local Klan office?

"Anyone who expects Blacks to forget about 400+ years of slavery and discrimination after only 40 years (Civil Rights Act 1964, Voting Rights act 1965, repeal of most Jim Crow Laws around 1965-1967) is a lunatic."

How does a black person under 40 have to "forget 400+ years" of anything? Their only real memories would be of living in post-civil rights movement America, not of slavery era America.

They have to be taught that they personally were "opressed for 400 years" begining a few centuries before they were born. Otherwise racial opportunists might never be able to manipulate them.

"Or could it be that Obama is just that good and has attracted 90% of the blacks and should attract 90% of the whites but the white don't vote for Obama because he is black."

Yes, it is the whites that are racist because they don't vote 94% for Obama. Same thing as the chinese-americans, korean-americans, hispanic americans, etc....all a bunch of racists but not the african-americans....

"How does a black person under 40 have to "forget 400+ years" of anything? Their only real memories would be of living in post-civil rights movement America, not of slavery era America."

I sense Sully is white trash trying to make himself seem higher in the food chain than black people. Or he doesn' understand that parent who lived under welfare will pass on similar attitudes to their children who also lived under welfare.

Don't worry Sully you offspring will learn the same sort of perspective that you developed.

"Yes, it is the whites that are racist because they don't vote 94% for Obama. "

No, they are only racist if they say they won't vote for a "darkey". Stick to the facts of the story asshole.

My word does johnson ever actually post anything shorter than a cut and paste novel?

No, they are only racist if they say they won't vote for a "darkey".

For me, actions speak louder than words. I don't care what they say - if 94% of one racial group votes for a candidate where every other ethnic group is split 50/50, then I say the 94% of the locksteppers are racist.

"My word does johnson ever actually post anything shorter than a cut and paste novel?"

No. Johnson just has "Old Man's Syndrome". He thinks everything he reads from his bullshit right wing sites are precious pearls of wisdom to pass on to the rest of humanity when in reality they are just shit nuggets.

"I sense Sully is white trash trying to make himself seem higher in the food chain than black people. Or he doesn' understand that parent who lived under welfare will pass on similar attitudes to their children who also lived under welfare.

Don't worry Sully you offspring will learn the same sort of perspective that you developed."

LOL. That was sorry.

I simply don't believe that teaching any group of young people that they are not only opressed in the present, but have been personally for 400 years, is a way of fostering a can-do attitude in those youngsters.

Teach them real history and don't sugar anything but it should also be noted that many people sacrificed alot to grant them opportunities not enjoyed by past generations. Maybe enouraging them to take advantage of those opportunities is a better message than constantly telling them they are held back by some insurmountable power.

Now go ahead and spout some racist attack against my family in response to my posting of an idea - again. If that is the best you can do, you can't touch me.

"For me, actions speak louder than words. I don't care what they say - if 94% of one racial group votes for a candidate where every other ethnic group is split 50/50, then I say the 94% of the locksteppers are racist."

Jacque there is a big difference for voting for someone who is similar to you than to strickly vote for anyone who is different than a particular candidate. You have noticed many born-agains voted for Bush because he was "born-again"?

But Blacks have voted for Clinton and Kerry over such noble candidates such as Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton in past Democratic primaries thus proving they are not so deeply discriminatory as WHITE CHRISTIAN EVANGELICAL ASSHOLES WHO VOTED FOR BUSH. Obama is a very viable candidate so why shouldn't Blacks vote for him especially since he would understand what it means to be Black in America more than a White Woman would.

"I simply don't believe that teaching any group of young people that they are not only opressed in the present, but have been personally for 400 years, is a way of fostering a can-do attitude in those youngsters."

See Sully this is the problem as school funding is based upon local taxes now, not federal. If people live in a poor area they are only going to get shitty teachers in their public schools. Notice the circular effect?

That's a great PR statement from his campaign when they know the Spook will lose by +30%.

"That's a great PR statement from his campaign when they know the Spook will lose by +30%."

Look Wisgod we all know Obama's weakness in this election is with the poor racist white trash. Maybe if he lip synchs a Vanilla Ice cover he can get back 20% of their vote.

"See Sully this is the problem as school funding is based upon local taxes now, not federal. If people live in a poor area they are only going to get shitty teachers in their public schools. Notice the circular effect?"

Being poor is always a huge disadvantage regardless of race.

"Being poor is always a huge disadvantage regardless of race."

that has always been my point. It just so happens that blacks in the US are disproportionately poor as compared to whites.

Okay, am going to take a bubblebath now.
...

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-08 11:31 PM

It's so fucking amazing that during the Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2 presidencies that the poverty rates jumped.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 01:19 PM

"generations"? are you counting the abolition of slavery as a "special provision"?

You really are a racist shit if you think Blacks have such an easy deal but still can't ahead.

Look Wisgod we all know Obama's weakness in this election is with the poor racist white trash.

You keep exposing yourself as a know-nothing, self-contradicting idiot, glurihole, and you've been apologizing for yourself all day. Put the bag of coke away and take a frigging break. Amazing how you sound just like a lib ranter on a certain internet radio show......

"Put the bag of coke away and take a frigging break"

Come on Cookfish we all know Libs smoke pot but Rethugs are the cokeheads. I mean seriously you guys drool over that beast Mann Coulter. Why don't you go Left and get some of the good pussy?

Old Man Johnson doing his best to police the internet from no good Lib'ral varmints.

"Blacks have advantages, but are limited by lack of natural ability in skill sets required for prospering in this society, and can't make it because of their inadequacies."


You confuse centuries of abuse with, "lack of natural ability", Mao.

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,"

--Barack H.

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world.

--glurihole

Tiny minds think alike.

Legio,

It's obvious you haven't progressed past your white trash origins. When did you get broadband in your doublewide?

Posted by furio

right after I banged your mama and left her to raise your sorry ass.

Couldn't come up with a decent retort so you resort to using the only acceptable racial slurs in America.

Calling white people white trash is tantamount to calling a black man a nigger. Then again it OK because of your self righteous position in life.

You must be a beacon of light to all Pennsylvanians.

If Obama wants to see a lot of racists he ought to enter the House of Mirrors. Obama can try to pull the race card and make some wimpy libs feel guilty but others wiill shove that card up O's ass.

Well Jacque,

I cleaned my fellow classmates toilets and emptied their garbage in gradeschool to earn money for college. The catholic church has no problems paying underage labor $1 an hour or fucking them in the ass. I took the $1. In university I worked graveyard shift waiting tables at Denny's while doing minimum wage physics research work during the day in the summers.

I also developed an understanding how poor, ignorant people would be unable to deal with their situations when they knew nothing else.

I also sucked it up like a bitch working for scumbag assholes enjoying my cheap labor to move up.

The American Dream is a fucking joke. For Blacks it's fantasy land for many of them

Posted by furio

Thats the spirit! How is the janitor thing panning out for you since you flunked out of city college? Still turning tricks at the local church?


Some bitch at life and their lot and some embrace life regardless of the situation. I assume you are the former.."life's bitch"

Teach them real history and don't sugar anything but it should also be noted that many people sacrificed a lot to grant them opportunities not enjoyed by past generations. Maybe encouraging them to take advantage of those opportunities is a better message than constantly telling them they are held back by some insurmountable power.

Now go ahead and spout some racist attack against my family in response to my posting of an idea - again. If that is the best you can do, you can't touch me.



Posted by Sully


You got that right Sully. Maybe Furio thinks Bill Cosby is a racist too.

Come on Cookfish we all know Libs smoke pot but Rethugs are the cokeheads. I mean seriously you guys drool over that beast Mann Coulter. Why don't you go Left and get some of the good pussy?

Posted by furio

Like Elliot Spitzer did? Too expensive, Furryhole. What's your offshore rate?

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 07:09 PM

The catholic church has no problems paying underage labor $1 an hour or fucking them in the ass. I took the $1.

I also developed an understanding how poor, ignorant people would be unable to deal with their situations when they knew nothing else.

I also sucked it up like a bitch working for scumbag assholes enjoying my cheap labor to move up.

The American Dream is a fucking joke. For Blacks it's fantasy land for many of them

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 08:54 PM

Old Man Johnson doing his best to police the internet from no good Lib'ral varmints.

You certainly do not seem to be responsive to anything except that you release a personal tirade without any content. Typical mindless leftist. Your confusion is evident in your posts. Even your tirades have lost originality. Prepare macros instead of retyping them.

furio, i suspect that the only "physics" with which you're conversant are purgatives.

Yeah, no opportunity in America. If you're born into a caste, er class, you are there for life as were your ancestors and as are your descendants, if you aren't sterile or barren, and precluded from generating descendants.

That's "the furio observation."

There are so many cases that contradict that observer, however, that you wonder regarding the methods that lead to his conclusions.

I know a Chinese fellow, who lived in a space set aside for him in a garage and was surviving on these "Cup of Noodles" as his nutrition, his "meals," until some friends of mine befriended him and fed him a decent meal on occasion. He persevered for six years, received a masters degree in computer science, immediately got a job, and a few years later is married, has two children, and is earning some $200,000 a year with a second employer since graduation. Sacrifice. Application. Perserverance. Er, and native intelligence. And no pitiful claims of victimization. It's a morality tale. Horatio Alger. It's testimony to the opportunity that exists in America.

Why is it that some person for whom English is a second language, and who struggled with this factor in college, and who lived in what was to him an alien culture, was able to overcome adversity far less than that experienced by blacks with social and community networks, and establish himself.

Why can't people such as furio identify the opportunity and take advantage of it? I don't know what undisclosed disability or problems hamper him. But it makes me wonder that his vision of the landscape here provides him with a scene featuring problems rather than opportunity of which we can avail ourselves.

And what's the plaint of blacks nowadays? Aside from their own capabilities and attitudes, what hampers them. Is it possible that there are differences as Rev. Wright observed, in thinkng modes that impede blacks in their efforts to acquire skills that provide sustenance in this society. If so, what accommodations could be made for blacks sufficient to enable them to function positively.

Johnson, I hate throwing the Race word around, but I gotta say, you sure seem to have a major condescension and dislike for black people.

Moder8-
Johnson is unabashedly racist. His remarks are rife with phrases like "the indolent blacks", and he once blamee Nicole Simpson for her own murder, as she was with a black man and so deserved what she got.

Message received. I won't waste time with any more of his posts.

What kind of people would choose to live in an inner city black neighborhood such as this one from which this report issued.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-05-13 11:52 PM

Johnson, I hate throwing the Race word around, but I gotta say, you sure seem to have a major condescension and dislike for black people.

VERY recent quotes from Johnson, who claims that Obama is a "racist bigot":

"If Obama or a ten thousand blacks like him live or die, the lives of most of us will not be affected..."

"Blacks have advantages, but are limited by lack of natural ability...and can't make it because of their inadequacies."

"If only blacks were more intelligent, had more energy, and worked harder..."

"Why are blacks so prone to such behavior? Why do they create such negative environments?"

"As I posted elsewhere, I find blacks congenial..."

This story says nothing more than Obama has the 20 year old clueless vote.

Go figure.

Mato-
...and misses the old racist vote.

Since you are neither, who are you voting for?

The latest incarnation of "Boyd" declaims while ignoring the latest carnation of "truthhurts AKA douche squirts" at the top of the thread:

those same ignorant poor people will hurt more then us educated folk

We all have our crosses to bear for the sake of ideology.

Be it class or race.

People are individuals, not "races" or "classes".

Politics is a function of philosophy, not science.

The sooner you begin to understand that that, the sooner your piece of shit party might field a candidate that is capable of winning the general election.

How could you possibly have fucked up this election cycle?

I don't know----but you did.

You nominated a leftist sack of shit who has proved himself to be a 20 year adherent to an anti-American, "black theologist" church.

You nominated a leftist sack of shit who allows unrepentant Marxist terrorists to raise money for him.

You nominated a leftist sack of shit whose only source of political accomplishment is pragmatically "playing nice" with the syndicated crime ring that controls Chicago politics.

You nominated a leftist sack of shit that can give a 90 minute speech without saying a goddamn thing.

You nominated a leftist sack of shit whose only virtue is that he makes affluent white liberals feel good about themselves because they can finally vote for an abstract, allegorical Negro whose rhetoric doesn't make them secretly uncomfortable.

Unfortunately for you, the typical American "dumbass" is smarter than you--and is fully aware of the "nuanced" contradictions being foisted upon them in the form of Obama Hussein. After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize the obligatory Andersen Cooper-narrated "puff pieces" on CNN --- during one of the rare instances where he doesn't have a cock in his mouth, of course.

But I digress.

The Democrat party won't regain the White House this year.

And that's a pretty fucked-up testament to the people who call the shots in left-wing politics.

I swear Pinche, you should be a political columnist.
Of course you'd never get past the editor or the censors but you are damn funny!

(You aren't seriously going to vote for McCain, are you Pinche?)

Mato-
...and misses the old racist vote.

Since you are neither, who are you voting for?

Posted by BetelG

I'm not sure, I'm still watching.

Who are the old racist's? Must be nice to sit in judgment with all the answers.

What I'd like an honest answer to is WHERE did Obama come from? Who is the big money behind him. I'm not a rabid political junkie but I had been familiar -- at least by name -- of most of the Senators before now.

Yet here comes this new kid on the block who all of the sudden has a political machine behind him that in comparison (as far as money and organization goes) makes the seasoned politician Hillary Clinton's political machine look one used by a girl running for editor of her high school year book.

I get rather suspicious when big money and well oiled political machinery AND the media are all now available to some new NOT YET VETTED ENTIRELY new junior senator who while still wet behind the ears decides to run for President. Follow the money? Probably. But to whom does it lead? That's what I'm interested in knowing.

OBAMA HAS NO CHANCE in the general election.

NONE!

You can't win without the blue collar white vote. you STUPID democrats. Damn. Thats the point HIllary has been making all along.

And when she makes it, the Obama people are dumb as rocks and call that racist.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS CAN'T WIN BECAUSE YOUR THE RACISTS!

LOL You morons. Race baiters, thats all you Obama people are. Everytime ANYONE says ANYTHING about Obama, you label them racist.

it won't work you morons.

You lose, and you lose HUGE.

Kuma

MATO-
re: "I'm not sure, I'm still watching."

LOL.

KUMA-
It's a big mistake to believe your own bullshit, and beyond risible to believe someone else's. I'm afraid you're guilty on both counts. Your posts just bleed "ditto-head".

Is there a McCain supporter on this site?

Do they exist?

Obama is a shattered man.

His preacher of 20 years just denounced him.

That was his only exposure to Christianity.

Hell, he'll be wearing a suicide belt by January.

That was his only exposure to Christianity.


Cuz he couldn't possibly have read the bible on his own...

When does your suicide belt ship in?

MATO-
re: "I'm not sure, I'm still watching."

LOL.

Posted by BetelG

Are you having trouble understanding that?

Mato-
...and so you support McCain?

(C'mon, please! I just want one person to say they are voting for McCain. This is a political blog, and it's just no fun without an opposition)

Cuz he couldn't possibly have read the bible on his own...

When does your suicide belt ship in?

Posted by Alexandrite

You don't think so? You must have a low opinion of Barry.

Mato-
re: "Are you having trouble understanding that?"

No. In case it still escapes you, I'm having a lot of fun with that.

BetelG is evolved from stupid people. When your parents are stupid, then thats what the kid comes out to be in most cases. Too bad for him. He can't read what you wrote MATO, its too complex.

Lets make it simple for him.

OBama
has
no
CHANCE
in
NOVEMBER

Read that again, BetelG so you understand.

Kuma

(Kuma- Here's a hint for your edification: If no one votes for McCain, McCain can't win, and so far I can't seem to find a McCain supporter on this blog)

heh

silly kids

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 12:47 AM

VERY recent quotes from Johnson, who claims that Obama is a "racist bigot":

"If Obama or a ten thousand blacks like him live or die, the lives of most of us will not be affected..."

"Blacks have advantages, but are limited by lack of natural ability...and can't make it because of their inadequacies."

"If only blacks were more intelligent, had more energy, and worked harder..."

"Why are blacks so prone to such behavior? Why do they create such negative environments?"

"As I posted elsewhere, I find blacks congenial..."

Johnson-

Your comments speak for themselves, and I only casually skimmed one day of your bile.

Mato-
That's funny. Obama will lose even when no one votes for McSame.
Excuse me while I have too much fun with this.

Nice COMMONSENSE. Your elitist comment is a perfect example of why the those same "morons" in the heartland will thrash his elitist black ass in November. The same way they thrashed Kerry's elitist white ass and Gore's elitist wide ass in 2004 and 2000, respectively.

So, keep making fun of them. They don't really need any more reason to vote against you and your Birkenstocks. But it sure helps if you keep it up.

Posted by SE4NY6969 at 2008-05-13 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

If being an 'Elitist' means stating facts based on the obvious evidence that has been in numerous articles, then I guess I am. I think you'd find 'factual' to be a better suited word, but that would go against your Rovian talking points.

BTW, did you read the article?

As for birkenstocks, never owned a pair. I usually wear johnston & murphy with my suits.

Mato-
That's funny. Obama will lose even when no one votes for McSame.
Excuse me while I have too much fun with this.

Posted by BetelG

Okey dokey ;-)

Mato-
Hey, dude, I'm just looking for one supporter of McCain, and I'm having some trouble with that - so forgive me if I consider your echo-chamber Obama rants as just so much chaff.
No offense ;)

Bob Barr '08.....yeah!!!!

Will Barr be barred from the debates?

Will Barr be barred from the debates?


Risk the Nader effect?


What do you think?

Will Barr be barred from the debates?


Risk the Nader effect?


What do you think?

Hey Commonsense. Johnstone & Murphy shoes. LOL.
Those are shoes for the masses. Osama Obama would never be caught dead wearing cheap shoes like that. YOu might as well buy your suits at Marshall's and wear a Timex

pick a white women over a black man-----they did it by the millions when the made women a oppressed minority(white women are the largest single group in america) thru the history of the us they have lived of the fat of the land because of their men bein in control-oppressed white women is somewhat of a joke
jasman

privilidged glimpses of the bleedin' obvious after reading some 300+ comments:

1) humans in general (regardless of race, country, creed, fill-in-the-blank) are violent, tribal, primitive creatures.

2) "none of the above" isn't on the ballot.

Johnson possesses a proclivity to engage in pedantically erudite soliloquies (best I could come up with...), and he clearly fancies himself a courageous racial truth-teller in the tradition of The Bell Curve's (much-discredited) authors, so his pronouncements bear close scrutiny. As such, I don't put much stock in what he has to say about Obama, whom I support.

That said, Johnson at least feigns openness to persuasive argument, which is more than I can say for certain other right-wing blowhards on this site.

So let's address a couple of the questions Johnson poses. These questions are painful to confront. But we must confront them, mustn't we?.
Questions such as... Why are the vast majority of the murders in my town and elsewhere committed by black males? And don't say it's just the stacked judicial system, 'cos I ain't buying it - at least not to the exclusion of other factors.
Why are 70 percent of black children born out of wedlock?
Why do so many black families live in poverty?
Why is there still an enormous gap in academic achievement? And at what point can we stop blaming slavery and oppression? What can be done about these issues that isn't already being done?

Public assistance has its place, as long as there are time limits and the recipient is working toward employment. Strong public schools, healthy lifestyles, and a level playing field of economic opportunity (hard to gauge that, wouldn't you say?) are all important. Tutoring and mentoring programs help. But what will move us to the next level?

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 02:26 AM

Johnson-


Your comments speak for themselves, and I only casually skimmed one day of your bile.

The whole notion of making policy based on groups is socialist and flawed. It is also the cornerstone of our failed government programs, from welfare to public schools to social security.

Behavior is an individual choice, regardless of skin color or family background, in that either you make the right choices and succeed or make the wrong ones and don't. Making excuses for making the wrong choices is educationally disastrous and encourages, through sympathy and support services, more of the wrong choices.

What society needs to do is make clear to every individual, as much as we can, what kinds of choices work best in this society. Treating someone differently because of preceived group membership, particularly based on something as meaningless as SKIN COLOR, is an absurd notion which prevents the message from getting through.

White or Black, Male or Female, it pays to work hard in school and learn as much as possible, to choose a field in which you have interest, and to work hard in said field. If you do that, you will succeed. If you do not, you won't, and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what your background was or how difficult it was for you to see what the right choices were. If you made the right choices, you win, and if you don't you lose. Difficulty is irrelevant. Make the choice clear. Do not muddle it with excuses and safety nets, which merely encourage more bad choice.

As a simple case...if we did not have public housing, there would be fewer unemployed people in need of it. This is a simple fact. If so, our society would be better off as a whole, beyond dispute. The socialists, who prefer to have as many people dependent on them as possible, call this "mean". Yet, it is not. It is the height of compassion to instill in a kid the knowledge that if they don't work hard and learn in school and don't work hard at their job, they won't have a house. That is motivational, and compassionate, and effective, all at the same time.

The root of its success...treat people like they have individual choice, not like they are fated because, of all things, their SKIN COLOR, to a life of hopeless poverty. Convenient for Dems and Socialists to treat them like sheep, but bad for country. I'd also submit that it is bad for Dems as well, but they (with the possible exceptions of Billary) can't see it.

This whole issue is a paper tiger, unless you are a racist, and see these groups as somehow different than you. The important differences between people are what they know and how motivated they are to work, not what their skin color is....Obombites do not understand this fact....Too bad for them, come November....

Hey Commonsense. Johnstone & Murphy shoes. LOL.
Those are shoes for the masses. Osama Obama would never be caught dead wearing cheap shoes like that. YOu might as well buy your suits at Marshall's and wear a Timex

Posted by timbci at 2008-05-14 08:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can you tell us how you know what kind of shoes Barack Obama wouldn't be 'caught dead wearing'? You know this how? Also, please expound on what Obama's shoes have to do with my choice of footwear.

As for my 'shoes for the masses', HELL YEAH! They're comfortable, look good and don't cost me a fortune.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you made yourself look like an ass all while trying to prove some point. My question to you is this; "What was your point"?

This whole issue is a paper tiger, unless you are a racist, and see these groups as somehow different than you. The important differences between people are what they know and how motivated they are to work, not what their skin color is....Obombites do not understand this fact....Too bad for them, come November....

Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-14 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:



......and there we see the self-retorting retort.

A racist pretending racism is not an issue right up until he proves he a racist and it's an issue.

You could have just saved all that typing and just called the man a 'nigger'.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-14 03:37 PM

You could have just saved all that typing and just called the man a 'nigger'.

Commonsense,

No, I'm saying that seeing blacks or whites as groups, and therefore different in some material way from each other, is both a racist and socialist notion. This thread is centered on that, as is the Obomba candidacy.

Johnson-
Here are a few of your comments from the last day or so, again:
"If Obama or a ten thousand blacks like him live or die, the lives of most of us will not be affected..."

"Blacks have advantages, but are limited by lack of natural ability...and can't make it because of their inadequacies."

"If only blacks were more intelligent, had more energy, and worked harder..."

"Why are blacks so prone to such behavior? Why do they create such negative environments?"

"As I posted elsewhere, I find blacks congenial..."

I posted the last one as comic relief.

The so-called "Alarm" of Obama campaign workers is pure bullshit. Imagine that! There are some "white" racists living in this country! There are white racists and there are black racists, not mention all the other COLORS of racists.
Racism is not exclusive to a particular color. The overwhelming majority of Americans know this. It is the content of Senator Obama's character that must be examined. If this examination is going to be labeled "racism" the reality is the ones doing the labeling are in fact, the racists.

Westerner-
I think that the reaction by the young volunteers was quite understandable. They, due to their youth, live in the 21st century, and they were surprised at the openly racist hostility they encountered. I would suggest, based on your prescription, that you examine the "character" of eight years of Republican dominance, and the character of McCain as well.

Betelg,

So, racism just popped up as a result of Republicans? Are you serious.

I think the youngsters, being young, inexperienced racists, joined the campaign for the purpose of eliminating white guilt, which they apparently felt. Being ignorant racists, they did not understand that the racism was inside themselves and others, and can not be removed by a presidential candidate. Seeing that said messiah had not removed the racism, they were horrified.

Race-conscious and racism are the same....They are very race-conscious.... They're also young, so I don't blame 'em.

BETEL-

No doubt about examining the character of ALL the candidates. McCain has been out there for years. My point is Senator Obama's character is not known to the American voter. Bringing unflattering but truthful facts pertaining to his character is what I was referring to.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 03:59 PM

Oh, bright and shining star, I ask you now that you have again reposted excerpts from my posts, what is it that you find invalid concerning the statements?

Do you consider that I maligned blacks? Did I impugn them by citing material indicating that their intelligence level as a group might not match that of whites as a group, while acknowledging that there were overlaps and there are multitudes of blacks, such as Obama and Rev. Wright, who are very bright?

Or did I malign them by suggesting that there are disproportionate numbers of blacks on welfare, or who are idlers?

There is a relation between the two statements. A disproportionate number of blacks might be on welfare or idlers because of intellectual limitations that preclude them from acquiring skill sets that would enable them to be self-supporting.

The same limitations might be what create the negative milieus that characterize many black inner city communities, rife with violence and poverty.

What I wonder, BetelG is whether you dispute the validity of my statments, or if you just consider the matter to be a taboo, and not to be mentioned in polite society? What do you dispute and on what basis?

And mind you, I haven't evidenced any bigotry as I haven't suggested anything negative befall black people as a result of the observations posted. If the material is true, then it can provide a basis for addressing the apparent problems, and improving the quality of life of those people, who now exist in what I would consider unfavorable conditions. Do you think denial helps or hinders resolution and improvement of their situation?

Johnson-
re: "I ask you now that you have again reposted excerpts from my posts, what is it that you find invalid concerning the statements?"

You.

JonRyker-
Firstly, my comments regarding Republicans had nothing to do with racism.

Secondly, you are an ahistorical idiot, not to put too fine a point on it. You claim that young idealistic volunteers for Obama are "racist" because they are horrified that they are referred to as "niggers" and "nigger-lovers" for supporting Obama.

What upside-down world do you pretend to live in?

Jonryker-
re: "Race-conscious and racism are the same...."

You're quite a piece of work. If you're campaigning for a black man in WV and someone yells a racial slur directed at you or vandalizes your headquarters with racist graffiti, and this perhaps makes you "race-conscious", then that that makes you a "racist"?

Where do you get this crap?

Seriously. You are beyond belief.

Corky?

Boyd?

"Race-conscious and racism are the same...."

Sorry, but what a fuckin' idiot. "Racism" is when someone believes that one "race" is genetically superior to another (see Hitler, our own poster Johnson, etc.) To be "race-conscious" is to be called a nigger, or simply to live in our universe and have eyes and ears.

I really wanna know where you got this "Race-conscious and racism are the same...." bullshit. Did you come up with it yourself, or what?

Oops...wrong thread. I can't imagine how I made that mistake, LOL!

Sorry, but what a fuckin' idiot. "Racism" is when someone believes that one "race" is genetically superior to another (see Hitler, our own poster Johnson, etc.) To be "race-conscious" is to be called a nigger, or simply to live in our universe and have eyes and ears.


Nothing wrong with this post. It just serves as a segue for my comments.


What I love through all of this is that all of this racial divide is on the left side of center, or more specifically, within the Democratic party. Conservatives and Republicans are always callously labelled as racists, bigots, misogynists, etc. However, I have never seen so much blatant racism and anti-feminism, as well as pathetic playing of the vitcimhood card as I've seen during this primary.


You self-rigtheous, politicially-correct motherfuckers need to take ownership of this shit.

JEFFJ: You are today's Lucky Moron!

Oh, is that racist? Or Mentalist?

JeffJ-
No offense intended, of course, but you really unplug the Limbaugh idiocy from time to time.

JeffJ-
BTW, have you read Johnson's comments? Do you have an opinion on them? Do you think he is a Democrat?

Betelguese,


BTW, have you read Johnson's comments? Do you have an opinion on them? Do you think he is a Democrat?


I rarely read Johnson's posts.

They are always very long-winded and on the few occasions I have read them, my impressions have been mixed. Sometimes he makes a great, albeit politically incorrect point. However, other times he is just out in left field. Also, maybe his vocabulary is really impressive, but he comes accross as using big words simply for the sake of using big words, as if he's a wizard with a thesaurus.


Please be reminded, my analysis is very limited as it's limited to what I read of him - which is very little.


All in all, the reason I don't read him much is that he comes off as way over-the-top to a point of flagrant partisanship.

No offense intended, of course, but you really unplug the Limbaugh idiocy from time to time.


Actually, I take that as a compliment.

Thank you.

JeffJ-
re: "Sometimes he makes a great, albeit politically incorrect point."

You mean like when he goes on and on in every other post about how "the blacks" are of course genetically inferior?

re: "Actually, I take that as a compliment."

It's quite telling that you rely on a drug abusing serially divorced millionaire who got out of serving his country in a war he supported due to a boil on his ass as your touchstone for modern conservatism.
But be that as it may, you are aware of the "
Southern Strategy" of Republicans after the civil rights acts spearheaded by LBJ, and the resulting Republican backlash in the South and the ensuing years of overt racial politics by Republicans?
Or do you, Like our poster "Johnson", merely think that "blacks" are too genetically stupid to figure it out?
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You mean like when he goes on and on in every other post about how "the blacks" are of course genetically inferior?


Of course not! Where in the hell in my last post did you construe that I support such a comment?


It's quite telling that you rely on a drug abusing serially divorced millionaire who got out of serving his country in a war he supported due to a boil on his ass as your touchstone for modern conservatism.

Acutally, I don't.


Here is your comment and immediately following was my initial understanding of it:

No offense intended, of course, but you really unplug the Limbaugh idiocy from time to time.

You know, about a year ago someone set up a user blog with the title being, "Greatest quotes of all-time."

This is what your nemesis, Pinche Mao, came up with:

"I'll keep them niggers voting Democratic for the next 2oo years.

-LBJ"

Now, that is a very cynical and somewhat nasty take, but sometimes I wonder.....

JeffJ-
re: I took that to mean that you felt that, from time to time, I unplugged myself from Limbaugh idiocy - meaning I dropped the talking points and actually thought.

LOL, no! My sentence should have read, "No offense intended, of course, but you really should unplug the Limbaugh idiocy from time to time."

LOL, again, and my bad!

re: This is what your nemesis, Pinche Mao, came up with: />

"I'll keep them niggers voting Democratic for the next 2oo years."


-LBJ"


Now, that is a very cynical and somewhat nasty take, but sometimes I wonder.....
Well, considering it is a fabricated statement by a nut like Pinche Mao, I can see where you are confused. What LBJ actually said was that by signing this legislation the Democratic Party was losing the vote in the South for a generation. And of course he was correct in that the South became a solid Republican block, but he was wrong in that it has lasted MORE than a generation. So, I guess LBJ was an optimist.

BTW, Jeff, why do you suppose that Pinche Mao invented a statement that is the exact opposite of what LBJ is reported to have said, and was the "nigger" bit just for kicks...?

Questions...questions

Idiots that still fall for the ole race card are known as "The gullible"
Johnson, this is you:

Despite all their money, the support of most of the corporate news media, and widespread election fraud, Conservatives nevertheless must still rely on many millions of gullible Americans to push them over the top. They must convince many millions of Americans to buy into the absurdity that their economic policies are not weighted heavily in favor of the rich and powerful; that George Bush and his associates didn't know that Iraq posed no threat to us whatsoever when he went to war against them; that the tough talk and excessive eagerness of Republicans to pull their country into war is a manifestation of courage; and finally, many millions of Christians buy into the absurd idea that George Bush and the Republican Party is the party of Christian values.
Al Gore describes the situation in his book:
While the economic royalists provide the financial support for {the Republican} coalition, a group of ultraconservative religious leaders (who actually are primarily politicians) provide manpower and voter turnout. They serve a special purpose with their constant efforts to cloak the right wing faction's political agenda in religious camouflage. Many of them also have their own media outlets and are part of the propagandist wing of the coalition ... Some readers of this post may by now be wondering why I haven't specifically mentioned the Christian Right as one of the pillars of the Republican Party. The explanation can be found in the above excerpt from Al Gore's book. The Christian Right is made up of those leaders who "cloak the right wing faction's political agenda in religious camouflage" plus those rank and file Christians who are gullible enough to believe that the Republican Party promotes Christian values. These are the people who believe that Republican economic policies, which drive people into poverty by the millions and make no effort to help families acquire the basic needs of life, are Christian; that the Party that is so enthusiastic about going to war for no good reason is "pro-life"; and that the Party of crooks and liars is Christian. Many of these people may be sincere Christians. But the ones who are are exceptionally nave to believe that the Republican Party is the Christian Party.
Here is what a Christian minister had to say to Christian voters Congress and Presidency was controlled by the Republican Party:
It has gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to be open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their conscience and choices as they enter the voting booth ... Christian voters need to see that God's heart breaks over more than just a few political and moral issues. It is time to take off our blinders and mourn for the sorry state of affairs that is American politics ... Christians should look for candidates that will work for issues that are of importance to Christ and that can be tackled legislatively. Sadly, most of those causes have historically been opposed, ignored, and minimized by conservative Republican policy makers.
They seem to dangle the moral issues carrot around election time. Then, even with a Republican controlled White House and Congress, prove themselves powerless to do anything about those issues when they convene to legislate. Issues such as eliminating poverty and homelessness in America, true equal rights for all citizens, environmental protection, a fair minimum wage, affordable health care, and lowering our infant mortality rate all go unattended.

This has nothing to do with genetics and you know it. One thing I do know, from the 1920's through the early 1960's out-of-wedlock birth rates among African Americans remained at a steady 20%. However, once the 'War on Poverty' was enacted, presumably to help disadvantaged blacks, but in doing so financially rewarded the destruction of the family unit, out-of-wed rates soared and are now above 70%. 70%!!!! Now, certainly other factors played a role as well, however the congruence of policy with result is undeniable.

Stupidity has no bounds!

Talk about being racist, just reading this shows the individual is hiding under the covers of the modern KKK but being PC to filter the hate.

First, not a single reference to such a statement, not even a prudent rational hint of were the idea of the numbers came from, some KKK PC book no doubt.

It is clearly amazing that the appearance of someone so smart could actually believe these far out directional ideas without ever actually looking at all the societal picture and the contributions to racial actions being hammered down.

Clearly the product of an elite but showing how their education become ignorant.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-05-14 09:03 PM


How about a substantive, on-topic rebuttal of my comments.


What?

You are unable to do so?


What a shocker!


This happens every single time I challenge your Marxist-driven tendencies toward egalitarianism. Either put up or shut up - your ad hominem is too lacking grammatically to be taken seriously.


You have never once, EVER, challenged my comments on this subject in a substantive manner.

Why is that?

Are you frightened?

Egalitarianism means that since everybody can't be rich, they all have to be poor - except for political authorities of course. So in the end, you replace one wealthy class for another. Not to mention the loss of civil liberties.

"No offense intended, of course, but you really should unplug the Limbaugh idiocy from time to time."

Of course, if I don't buy into your bullshit I must be a racist, or any other derogatory ist you can label me with, in lieu of actually debating the subject at hand. Labels are so much easier.


BTW, Jeff, why do you suppose that Pinche Mao invented a statement that is the exact opposite of what LBJ is reported to have said, and was the "nigger" bit just for kicks...?

No, what Mao did was satirize the net result of LBJ's proposed legislation - purchasing the votes of an entire segment of our population for a long period of time.

"Egalitarianism means that since everybody can't be rich, they all have to be poor -"

Total bullshit. Only in your simplistic black and white world.

"Are you frightened?

Posted by JeffJ"

Jeff sure is a badass debater. Smart too. In fact, he's a regular Coppernicus[sic]. lol.

Total bullshit. Only in your simplistic black and white world.

Posted by nullifidian

Communism is the perfect model of an egalitarian society. Examples of a rich egalitarian societies please? It must be difficult for you to not have a clue how market societies create wealth.

Jeff sure is a badass debater. Smart too. In fact, he's a regular Coppernicus[sic]. lol.


Touche, I suppose, Bill.


That said, please reconcile my comments with your stalking of Hannah Montannah.

That said, please reconcile my comments with your stalking of Hannah Montannah.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-14 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:


Bill is not pinche mao.

Nice deflection, Ray, but your either-or scenario is bullshit. Furthermore, classical liberals like Jefferson and Adam Smith were egalitarians, unlike your hero Ayn Rand.

"That said, please reconcile my comments with your stalking of Hannah Montannah."

WTF are you talking about, Coppernicus[sic]?

But pinche mao is probably your hannah montana, jeff. ; )

liberals like Jefferson and Adam Smith were egalitarians, unlike your hero Ayn Rand.


OK - but they shared every bit the same degree of revulstion toward government largesse, in order to acheive said 'egalitarianism' as Ray does now.

Jefferson may have been an egalitarian, but he never subscribed to your form of governance.

Not even close.


Don't invoke dead guys when their position is contrary to what you are advocating.

"Jefferson may have been an egalitarian, but he never subscribed to your form of governance.

Not even close."

You don't have a clue. What is my "form of governance"?

" but they shared every bit the same degree of revulstion toward government largesse, in order to acheive said 'egalitarianism' as Ray does now. "


What does this mean? They were opposed to wealth redistribution? Progressive taxation?

Posted by gl0bal74 at 2008-05-14 09:02 PM

Idiots that still fall for the ole race card are known as "The gullible"
Johnson, this is you:

Congress, prove themselves powerless to do anything about those issues when they convene to legislate. Issues such as eliminating poverty and homelessness in America, true equal rights for all citizens, environmental protection, a fair minimum wage, affordable health care, and lowering our infant mortality rate all go unattended.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 05:00 PM

Johnson-
re: "I ask you now that you have again reposted excerpts from my posts, what is it that you find invalid concerning the statements?"

You.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 07:39

JeffJ-
BTW, have you read Johnson's comments? Do you have an opinion on them? Do you think he is a Democrat?

JeffJ-
LBJ "purchased" the "nigger" vote with the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts?

Do you have a problem with either of these, Jeff?

Johnson-
Yes, I understand. You are a right-wing authoritarian national socialist with crazy ideas about inferior/superior "breeds" (as you like to say). But you're a good Nazi, and wish no harm upon the "lesser breeds".

Got it, dude. It's embedded like a cancer in the impenetrably turgid prose of your narcissistic, condescending and flatulent posts, so don't blow your wind at me again, K?

I find you repulsive, and it sickens me that you inhabit the same century and breathe the same air as decent human beings. Is that clear enough?

Betel- far be from me to comment on possible pedial dentition, but I think Johnson is a parody.

alexandrite-
He is, but I don't think he knows that.

Do you have some information I'm unaware of?

It occured to me some time ago that johnson had to be a joke. Danni and Zat seem to think so as well.

He reminds me of tad, but that guy was an obvious loony. I get the imagine of johnson laughing at his own posts, as liberals go nuts, and troglodytes cheer...wishing they could be him.

Be the perfect way to screw with everyone, really.

OTOH I once thought this about Pinche. But he IS a troglodyte. Or either the best character actor since Colbert.

Well, of course I don't know. What irritates me is that other posters, such as JeffJ, think of Johnson as merely "politically incorrect" when in fact he consistently spews the most classically racist bile I've seen outside the early 20th/late 19th century.

He could be a parody, but the reaction is not.

So, I guess, my position is - I don't care if he's playing a game. The very fact that others don't hold his comments in contempt, and that many find no problem at all with his statements is what I find most troubling.

But you could be right.