Well, that's going to piss some people off.

Is she really trying to trash the chances for the Dems this year?

Black boy bad
White girl good
[Clinton Campaign Official Mantra #1]

I'm not a racist.
Oh, heavens, no!
But lots of folks who vote for me are.
That's why I deserve the nomination.
[Clinton Campaign Stump Speech #1-A]

Is it possible that Billary is trying to win the Dem nomination without the help of the far left? Is she leaving that to Obomba, moving to the center, taking a chunk of McCane's voters, and claiming to the supers..."Look, I'm gonna win this election for the Dems and at the same time rescue the party from Soros."

I've always hated that woman, but if she does this, she will be doing her party and the country as a whole a GREAT favor and I would consider voting for her.

We'll see....maybe I'm giving her more credit than she deserves.....

You think for all her "experience" she would have learned not to put her foot in her mouth so much.

Translation .......

"Maybe Osama got 90% of the black votes, but that's only 12% of the population and not enough to win on. We own the black voters, and they will blindly vote for whatever candidate the Democrats put forward. I have a message for the superdelegates: a vote for Osama is a vote for John McCain."

Not this one.

Probably... still doesn't mean you overturn the entire process to just give it to her. Try again in 2012 toots...

Easy Vern, your panic is showing.

"There's a pattern emerging here."

Well, Hillary, you're right on the money. You, your husband, and your surrogates have been playing the race card all along. Until, now as your campaign gives off its death rattle, it's the only card you have left to play. And to your discredit, you're going to use it. Shame on you.

I really hope Chelsea marries a black guy named LeShawn Demetrius Covington.

I really hope Chelsea marries a black guy named LeShawn Demetrius Covington.

Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-05-08 09:48 AM | Reply


Living vicariously through Chelsea comes off as pathetic Ness.

"These are the people you have to win, if you're a Democrat, in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."


"You can't handle the truth!" - Jack

That's cute, Rcade, the Klan pic and all. Must be inspiring to your bloggers, the Ultra PC-ism at the Ol' DR, ie; anyone who mentions race around Obama is a racist.

by the by, you never answered my question about how you could support a candidate who failed to endorse a DNC approved re-vote in FL, thereby making sure that your vote doesn't count?

Sacrifice to the Holy Obama?

Obama's winning coalition:

www.hiphopkinima.com

Posted by cookfish


Wow. Either you've got a fetish for ripped black men, or you're really scared of black people in general.

Corky,
I don't worship Obama. In fact I disagree with him on plenty of fronts. For example, I don't like basketball. I think smoking is icky. I also am not a fan of black women, or women in general.
Sincerely,
Rcade

Cook's post, and 101's are an obvious and baited response to Rcade's nasty little gem.

America may have to confront our racism and decide whether we want four more years of Bush or move forward with a black man. If we allow our racist tendencies to dictate who becomes the Democratic nominee then we deserve to lose the election. I know that after this comment of Hillary's I am one white person who will NEVER vote for her. Yes...I would allow McBush to become president rather than elect a white woman who proclaims her color to be her qualification for nomination.

Easy Vern, your panic is showing.

Posted by ddenton at 2008-05-08 09:44 AM | Reply

Maybe you can help me, and tell me just what I'm panicked about?

I don't like any of the candidates, and expect to have moved out of the U.S. before the election. Besides, politics is a spectator sport to me, as it channels all the worst instincts into a few loudmouths.

Denton, it sounds more like your panic is showing. Getting a little giddy are we over Osama? Afraid the party won't last til November?

White people = KKK = funny

Black people = thugs = racist

Don't you get it?

--Doc Coc Bloc

Getting a little giddy are we over Osama?

Posted by vernon


If I'm giddy over anything, it's that we might have a president who won't fuck this country up any further. Maybe even undo some of the damage...

Either you've got a fetish for ripped black men

Why are YOU so obsessed on "ripped" black men"? Your words, which are creepy at best.

Living vicariously through Chelsea comes off as pathetic Ness.

Yikes.

Danni,

Your assertions are racist, in addition to being erroneous..

I don't worship Obama. In fact I disagree with him on plenty of fronts. For example, I don't like basketball. I think smoking is icky. I also am not a fan of black women, or women in general.
Sincerely,
Rcade

Posted by 101Chairborne


What about killing a few 40's on the porch?

If we allow our racist tendencies to dictate who becomes the Democratic nominee then we deserve to lose the election.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-08 09:58 AM | Reply

This is exactly what the Democrats are doing: choosing a candidate because he's black and gives a nice speech.

Why are YOU so obsessed on "ripped" black men"? Your words, which are creepy at best.

Posted by cookfish


Well cooky, I didn't post a pic of half naked black men, now did I? And in the parlance of the times, any person with above average muscle mass is considered "ripped".

Obama: Muslims and Terrorists Like me better

Obama: Muslims and Terrorists Like me better

No less true than:

Clinton: Whites Like me better

Now they're "half naked" AND "ripped"? It's ok to admit your obsession instead of projecting it. The uberlibs here will understand..........

Ness,


The only black guy I can see at a Clinton rally is the secret service guy.

Historically, blacks vote Democratic about 90% of the time.

In the primary, blacks have been for Obama about 92% of the time - over Clinton, another Dem.

In the scenario of Hil vs Obama, Hillary has fared much better with every other demographic group.

Essentially, Obama has bested her in a demographic that historically votes Democratic regardless of the nominee.

Do you see where I am going with this?


IMO, Clinton is more electable than Obama in the general.

Last gasp of a dying campaign.

This is a V.P. job grab and NOTHING else.

Offer her the veep spot already and move on to fixing the problems 8 years of Republican mismanagement have produced.

Play the RACE CARD.
me me me. Destroy the Party. No Big Deal.

I think what Obamites are really most proud of is all the delegates awarded Obama because he is black.... proportionally black, I mean.

From the Pro-Hillary Ben Smith at Politico:

Now, the press has talked about the race in these terms constantly, so I won't feign shock. But it's a bit strange to hear it so bluntly from the candidate's mouth, and probably not a great way to endear herself to African-American voter.

And it's also noteworthy that the blunt talk on appealing to whites surfaces the day after the last round of primaries in which there's a substantial number of black voters.

I think Hillary may be a little tired and/or desperate.

Now they're "half naked" AND "ripped"? It's ok to admit your obsession instead of projecting it. The uberlibs here will understand..........

Posted by cookfish


Hate to break it to you, but I don't have a problem calling things for what they are. Someone without a shirt is indeed "half naked". Someone who has biceps bigger than your head is "ripped", and someone who posts pictures of "half naked" and "ripped" black men is either fomenting racism or is ashamed to admit he's attracted to them.

You can only run from the truth for so long cookie...

Your fetish for black men isn't something to be ashamed of...

But Rcade must be proud too, playing that KKK race card pic was a real winner.

Well Corkster, your candidate made the point that she deserves to stay in the race because whites will vote for her.

Stop being such an ass tool.

Why ruin the Hillary/Obamarama.
It's been fun so far to watch. Let the games continue.

Play the RACE CARD.
me me me. Destroy the Party. No Big Deal.

Posted by nutcase


Can't blame that on the dispicable Republicans now can we?

If blue-collar Dems, most of which happen to be white, won't vote for Obama, then they are all KKK racists and should be shot..... is that about it, tool?

Is what Hillary said true or not?

Why does blunt talk upset the sensibilities of the left wing purse swingers?

Hillary has fared much better with every other demographic group.


Source? I ask because I seriously doubt she has the youth vote, and I can't seem to find a site that breaks down voting results by demographic.

If blue-collar Dems, most of which happen to be white, won't vote for Obama, then they are all KKK racists and should be shot..... is that about it, tool?

Posted by Corky


No, but candidates who prey on the prejudices of their respective demographic to get elected don't deserve the presidency. Have you heard Obama say he should be president because a black people will vote for him? I think not.

"...proportionally black, I mean."
Posted by Corky

Let's not go down that road, corkster.


Look, acknowledging the fact that voters make choices based on race is not being racist.

The fact that she happens to be of a race more people will vote for does not make her a racist.

Does that make the country racist (Generally)? Probably. But until there is a racism exclusion for voting, that's what we have to live with.

But Hillary is still going to be scapegoated when the Dem's lose in November.

Hillary. The New Nader. Pariah.

Ness,


I ask because I seriously doubt she has the youth vote,

Fair point.

She leads in every other ethnic group.

Obama DOES have a lead among potential young voters. However, that is a demographic that historically doesn't show up at the polls during election time.

Tying your hopes to the 'youth' paving the way to a "Barry the Fairy" presidency is a losing proposition IMO.

"The only black guy I can see at a Clinton rally is the secret service guy."

Posted by ness_gadol

That couldn't be because all the blacks have to "help a brutha out," could it?

That's cute, Rcade, the Klan pic and all. Must be inspiring to your bloggers, the Ultra PC-ism at the Ol' DR, ie; anyone who mentions race around Obama is a racist.

Hillary Clinton's making an explicitly racial justification for her campaign. The argument that Democrats should nominate the candidate who does best with [insert race here] is not only politically disastrous for the party, it's offensive.

Barack Obama and his surrogates could have argued at any time that his candidacy is more viable because he's supported by black voters, historically one of the most solidly Democratic blocs. If he did so, he'd be making his campaign about race, and he's shown thus far the wisdom to avoid that.

The fact that Clinton lacks this wisdom, and is playing the race card in a moment of desperation in the hopes she can divide and conquer, strikes me as a pretty strong reason she doesn't deserve the nomination.

"Have you heard Obama say he should be president because a black people will vote for him? I think not."

Posted by ddenton

What exactly has it meant then, when they say if Hillary wins the nomination it will destroy the party?

Every four years Repubes slap Dems around by winning blue-collar workers who they have gotten to vote against their own self-interest because of culture war issues.

Dems have to win a certain amount of these Reagan Dems, as Bubba did, to get into the White House.

Clinton can, Obama has yet to prove the same.

Of course, anyone who mentions this fact is a KKK racist.

"If blue-collar Dems, most of which happen to be white, won't vote for Obama, then they are all KKK racists and should be shot..... is that about it, tool?"

They probably arent' members of the KKK and I don't think they should be shot. However, considering the slight differences between Obama's positions and Clinton's racism would be the only logical reason that they would vote for Hillary if nominated but not Obama. Also, I don't blame Black Americans for saying that they would stay home if Hillary somehow manages to steal the nomination which, fortunately, she will not be able to do. Hillary needs to bow out and get behind the nominee. If Bill wants to continue being admired by Democrats he needs to convince his wife that it's time to recognize the obvious truth.

"Every four years Repubes slap Dems around by winning blue-collar workers who they have gotten to vote against their own self-interest because of culture war issues."

Perhaps we, as a nation, need to suffer until we, as a nation, disregard race when deciding who to vote for. If those folks want to vote against their own self-interest then....oh well.

"...Barack Obama and his surrogates could have argued at any time that his candidacy is more viable because he's supported by black voters...."

Posted by rcade

Actually, keeping that implicit seems to have been the goal the whole campaign. Plus, he nor his surrogates have to say anything when it's being implied all the time further down the food chain.

I've never said if she gets the nom that it'll destroy the party. I dislike Hillary as much as you can, based purely on her bahavior during this campaign. Exploiting the Wright issue, refusing to say that Obama's not a muslim, and now overtly making her candidacy about race. I do not however think it will destroy the party.

I will however say that if she does get the nom, and even further the presidency, that it will be marred by her using the race card to get votes, just as the specter of a stolen election has marred Bush's first and second terms. That in and of itself is not good for this country, let alone any political party.

"Perhaps we, as a nation, need to suffer"
--DANNI

Dem platform '08.

and probably not a great way to endear herself to African-American voter.


The Black voter has backed Obama almost 100%. There is no reason anymore to try to endear herself to Black voters.

When 94%+/- of a population backs your opponent, you write off that population, because there is no point in wasting time and money on them.

Folks,

Racism is not evil. It is merely ignorance, provided you don't ACT on it, which is the evil part. It is evolutionary that humans are afraid of that which is not familiar to them. As long as you don't act on it, racism is merely a form of ignorance.

I tell you for certain, the most racist people I know are the black high school kids I teach. They aren't bad people...it's just that I'm the only white guy they talk to, so for a while, they were uncomfortable....They've learned differently, and I fit right in now, because they see that I'm more like them than I am not like them. Now, they really don't act any differently around me than they do their friends. I'm not scary. They're familiar with me as a PERSON, and my skin color is no longer relevant. This is how people of all colors generally behave when they become personally FAMILIAR with people of other "races".

I also know white racist people, who don't sound like racist people. They appear to be voting for Obomba, though, as some way to "solve the race problem". They are intensely aware he is black, and they think that somehow electing him will prove that they aren't racist. Yes they are, not because they're bad people, but because they don't know anything about black people, and aren't comfortable around them...somehow they think that some other person can solve their own racism problem.

The only people who aren't racist are ones who DON'T NOTICE RACE. The whole idea of "race" is an out-dated notion that presupposes a significant biological difference between races. Biologically, there is much more genetic diversity within "races" than their is across races. Biologically, races don't exist....

Our laws should not even mention race or color. They are fictions.

So, why is it that for you Obombites, race seems to be such a big deal? All those blacks voting for him: what do your really think he has in common with most of them, given his educational background? Me thinks, y'all protest too much!

when it's being implied all the time further down the food chain.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine


That's a poor assertion at best. He hasn't said it's about race, but he's "implying" it? If you're also going to assert that he's not doing it but his surrogates are, which makes the same point, then you should also hold Clinton responsible for everything her surrogates say, which I'm sure you're unwilling to do.

-explicitly racial justification for her campaign

Unadulterated bullshit.

Let's blame blue-collar workers because 80 percent of them happen to be white. Oh wait, 80 something percent of the country is white.

90 + percent of blacks can vote for Obama and that isn't racist, but if 70 percent of blue-collar voters who happen to be white vote for Clinton, and she has the audacity to mention that fact, then they are all KKK racists.

Double bullshit.


You still aren't going to answer my question are you?

oregon is 90% white yet obama has a 12 point lead here.... i guess nobody told us we need to vote based on race

put a fork in hillary...she's done

Perhaps we, as a nation, need to suffer"
--DANNI

Dem platform '08.

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Funny as hell!

Gag Hillary somebody, please.

Bill?

"I've never said..."
Posted by ddenton

Okay, but your compatriots do.

"just as the specter of a stolen election has marred Bush's first and second terms."
Posted by ddenton

marred his presidency to whom? People he already didn't give a crap about? I don't know if that's the best analogy, but I get your idea.

It's going to be ugly for any democrat in the WH and the best thing either has to say about themselves is that at least they're not th GOP.

-we, as a nation, disregard race when deciding who to vote for

Danni, be sure and mention that to 90 percent of black voters.

From the article:

However, Sabato said her primary support doesn't prove she's more electable. Either Democrat will get "the vast majority" of the other's primary election votes in a general election, he said.

oregon is 90% white yet obama has a 12 point lead here

This Just In:

Obama: Queers like me better

Obama: Queers like me better

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


looks like obama has robs vote

The problem that I have with Hillary's remarks is she makes it seem like the white vote is more important.

"Danni, be sure and mention that to 90 percent of black voters."

Oh, you mean the black voters who have loyally supported Democrats for decades INCLUDING Bill Clinton and who now will deeply resent manipulations to prevent one of their own from being nominated who has the lead in delegates.
It isn't as if the black voters are demanding that some black person be awarded the nomination, they are demanding that the Democratic Party obey its own rules and recognize the FACT that Obama is leading and will be the nominee. That isn't racism, it is simply demanding FAIRNESS!

Another Issue Is Obama Brings in More Campaign Money !

Obama Had 44 Million On Hand While Hillary Was In The Big Red Hole For 11.4 Million !

He Had 4 Times As Much Money Coming In From Supporters.

Money Talks And Bullshit Walks

-Sarge

looks like obama has robs vote

Posted by 503jc69

Good one... the "No you are!" retort... clever as always.

"... which I'm sure you're unwilling to do."
Posted by ddenton

Incorrect. What I've said from the beginning is that neither of them seem to have the leadership necessary to keep their own troops in line.

They can't stay on message because:
A. There really isn't any message, or
B. I can't come up with a B....

BTW it is absolutely insulting to black voters who have supported WHITE DEMOCRATS to now pretend they are racist for supporting Obama. If the Democratic Party doesn't nominate Obama then black voters have no choice but to look for a party that respects them.

Olbermann Slams Clinton Camp: Timeline Of Moving Goalposts

www.huffingtonpost.com

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


Awesome...

Danni, be sure and mention that to 90 percent of black voters.

Those same black voters who were supporting Hillary Clinton up until the South Carolina fiasco? I think it is funny that before the race really started people thought it was crazy that Obama wasn't getting the African-American vote and that group was still backing Hillary. Now that Obama has won over that demographic they are only voting for him because he is black.

If this election becomes an election based on race then republicans will win. Hillary knows this. The fact that she is acting this way shows she has no regard for the Dem party.

Finally, when Obama names a white, populist male as his Veep, this whole thing will be over.

RCADE,

Hillary Clinton's winning coalition:


LOL! For shame, for shame!!!!


I see corky in the back left corner.

Also, from the Time article:

The Indiana numbers also undercut Clinton's implicit argument that the white working-class voters who support her over Obama would not vote for him over McCain in November. From Ohio to Pennsylvania to Indiana, Obama has either narrowed or eliminated Clinton's lead among those with no college education (65% of all Indiana voters), Catholics, white women, regular church-attendees, those in union households and those making less than $50,000. And he has even inched his way up the age ladder, drawing even with her among voters between the ages of 45 and 59. In fact, if it weren't for voters over the age of 65 -- who made up 14% of the Democratic electorate in Indiana and who supported Clinton 69 to 31 over Obama -- the Senator from Illinois would have cleaned up in the state.

He Had 4 Times As Much Money Coming In From Supporters.

Money Talks And Bullshit Walks

-Sarge

If my brother was running for office I'd prolly give him more money than I would if some otherwise identical candidate were running.

What's your point again about money and bullshit?

TAXMAN the same thing could also be said about young white voters. I also became an Obama supporter after supporting Clinton before SC, am I then a racist???? What Clinton supporters seem to want to pretend is that Obama doesn't have a quality of leadership which we feel Hillary simply does not have. They also like to pretend that the Clinton's support for NAFTA, her vote for the Iraq war, her vote to allow the Iranian REpublican Guard to be labelled a terrorist organization, etc. should be disregarded. Sorry, a Senator's VOTING RECORD is a legitimate, in fact the most legitimate, way of evaluating that person for higher office. Hillary fails in that evaluation. BTW, Bill Clinton also fails. Bill Clinton was almost a Republican, we don't want Bush-lite....the country wants real CHANGE....LIBERAL CHANGE....OBAMA CHANGE!

The problem that I have with Hillary's remarks is she makes it seem like the white vote is more important.

Posted by Pirate


speaking in just terms of its size and percentage of its demographic who vote, isn't it?

-The problem that I have with Hillary's remarks is she makes it seem like the white vote is more important.

Reagan Dems have cost the party elections for the past 20+ years.


-I see corky in the back left corner.

How predictable was that, Rogers? We only had to wait for the lowest of the moral lepers to come along.

Taxman,

You've discounted the possibility that Billary could do well in the general election WITHOUT pandering to black voters, and perhaps because she is not seen to be doing so. Perhaps she'd do better with the middle of the political spectrum, and would therefore pick up more votes than she lost by pissing off some racist black people.

I don't know her, but this seems to be the logic behind her decision, if she has any.

Now that Obama has won over that demographic they are only voting for him because he is black.

Taxman, please just be honest and admit that's a major part of it... 94%... come on just be honest and admit that a major reason he's getting that much is because they share the same race.

What I've said from the beginning is that neither of them seem to have the leadership necessary to keep their own troops in line.

They can't stay on message because:
A. There really isn't any message, or
B. I can't come up with a B....

Posted by Hagbard_Celine


With the volume of paid workers and volunteers working for each campaign, and considering that the campaign staffers change from state to state, I don't expect either candidate to control everything that is said on their behalf.

But we're not talking about something a surrogate said. Clinton herself said she deserves to stay in the race because whites will vote for her and you need whites to win the GE.

What's wrong Corky? Bitter?

speaking in just terms of its size and percentage of its demographic who vote, isn't it?

----

In that it's the majority, yes. Ironically though is that the Democratic is never really about the majority...they usually fight for the minorities.

-Bitter

Yes, clinging to my guns and God and hating anyone not like myself..... oh, wait, that would be Obama describing blue-collar Dems..... and you think they don't vote for him because he is black???

hahahahahahahha!!!

"Have you heard Obama say he should be president because a black people will vote for him? I think not."

if Her point is that the majority of voters are white......

why would he say that he commands the lesser numbers...so of course he hadn't said it....it's not a plus.

Taxman, please just be honest and admit that's a major part of it... 94%... come on just be honest and admit that a major reason he's getting that much is because they share the same race.

This Changed Only After South Carolina When Both Bill And Hill Gaffed On MLK and Jesse Jackson.

She Had A Slight Lead Until Then.

-Sarge

When this campaign began, I liked them equally. They both fought hard and I did begin to like Obama better. I am white and I do not prefer Hillary anymore. Each day that she continues with this idiotic fight makes me like her even less. Obama won.Period! Pick up your marbles and go home now. I sincerely believe that Hillary is ruining the Democrats chances to win in November In your SEARCH engine, type in"Obama Resume". You will find a page listing all his accomplishments which make the ones complaining about his inexperience ,UNINFORMED. Be sure to scroll down on that page to see it all. I feel much better after reading it.

This Changed Only After South Carolina When Both Bill And Hill Gaffed On MLK and Jesse Jackson.

most other demographics are fairly close between the two... hell in Indidana they even split the Republicans voting... the only other number I saw close to his Black support was the elderly in Indiana going like 70% for Clinton. For Obama to take 94% of Black voters has everything to do with race... just admit it.

What exactly has it meant then, when they say if Hillary wins the nomination it will destroy the party?
Hagbard

It has been said that if Hillary GETS the nomination it would destroy the party, not WINS the nomination. Big difference.

The reference is to supers going against the pledged delegate count. And that, in my opinion, would be the end of the Democrats for at least a generation.

But at this point, it is clear that isn't going to happen.

Perhaps if Obama were to send out his Pastor to sooth over blue-collar Dems concerns about what Obama said in SF.... oh, wait..... nevermind.

As I read down the post I find it interesting that people try to attach ambiguise poll taking about race to the actual candidate that has not made race an issue and are now trying to defend the individual who has made race an issue by attaching a negative blanch to the upstanding individual.

It is constantly amazing that things Obama has nothing to do with and are clearly out of his control are continuely tried to be attached to him as if he were the cause.

Each time I see corky post my respect drops another peg. How low can you go corky? You're going down faster than you can lower your standards, but then again, so is the one you're supporting. Acorn doesn't fall far....

Obama has won in states with less than 5% of a Black Population. So Reverse that for Hillary and she would have received 88% of all votes cast.

Posted by Sarge at 2008-05-08 10:31 AM | Reply

Do you really expect Osama to win the traditional Red states? Winning a closed primary in a red state with only 37 Democrats does not translate to a majority in November. And that's what he needs to get the electoral vote.

you think they don't vote for him because he is black???

hahahahahahahha!!!



as if blacks don't own Guns or Religion

get a clue

I feel much better after reading it.

Posted by disgusted

Your user ID would suggest otherwise...

Am I supposed to be upset that you're the subject of mockery, Corky? Your support for Hillary Clinton is so relentless and unqualified that you are easy to caricature. If you don't like that, be honest at the times when you think Hillary fucked up, instead of sounding like Terry McAuliffe all the time.

Also, calling Obama "proportionally black" in the middle of a discussion over destructive Democratic identity politics is incredibly stupid. It's like you want people to call you a racist so you can play the Offended Card.

Disgusted,

Well, certainly it is within the Democratic tradition to avoid tough fights....

-How low can you go corky?

I don't think I ever said that another poster here belonged to the KKK, moral leper.

come on just be honest and admit that a major reason he's getting that much is because they share the same race.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


...and / or the fact that the Hillary campaign and ole Bill continue to play the race card and have been pissing off blacks for the last four months!

"For Obama to take 94% of Black voters has everything to do with race... just admit it."

Only for racists. Obama's supporters have lots of reasons for supporting him, even his black supporters. It is a racist slur to claim that the ONLY reason they support him is his race. It insults them as thinking people which they have proven they are in elections going back decades.
The black population rarely votes against their own economic interests but OBVIOUSLY some white blue collar workers are willing to vote agaisnt their own. So, which group is more racist???

Corky is like a bad NASCAR wreck in slow motion being repeated on ESPN - over and over

You lose ladycock - get over it

Clinton had more black support in November 2007 than Obama did. If his appeal was entirely racial, as some people keep saying, explain that fact. Did he change races?

why would he say that he commands the lesser numbers...so of course he hadn't said it....it's not a plus.

Posted by kwrx25


That might be true if he ONLY was shooting for black votes. At the caucus in my district here in eastern Nebraska There were only a handful of blacks in the crowd of over 300 Obama supporters for just my legislative district. The rest were white, and this is "white" western Omaha. IMHO that more than proves that Obama appeals to white voters.

Funny too is that Hillary is also complaining that the whole FL/MI issue is a civil rights one.

It is a racist slur to claim that the ONLY reason they support him is his race.

94%

or the fact that the Hillary campaign and ole Bill continue to play the race card and have been pissing off blacks for the last four months!

Posted by geezer1


DING DING DING

We have a winner

too bad for Corky that Hillbillary cant escalate their campaign to incite racial riots now

To pretend as though blacks aren't voting for Obama because he's black is fucking hilarious. Of all the stupidity you dumb-shits spew daily, this one takes the cake.

They're lockstep voters.

Case Closed!!!
Sarge

Danni,

What does he have in common with undeducated, poor, unemployed, unarticulate, profligate, gangsta-lovin' hood dwellers except his skin?

Once again, I teach them all day. They're voting for Obomba because he's black....period...They don't even know who the other candidates are or what party their in or when the election is being held....

They aren't bad people. They're just ignorant and racist....

Rogers

"proportionally black" was in retort.

Why, does that offend you? As a Hillary supporter, being pictured as a member of the KKK offends me.

Posting a KKK pic in the beginning of the same discussion on race is also incredibly stupid and provocative.

But I guess if you are the Blog God with no pretensions of objectivity, you can post that pic first and then whine when it is retorted.

Also, the longer you go not tellin' us why you support a candidate that disenfranchised your vote by not endorsing a DNC approved re vote, only makes you look more the unconscionable sycophant.

Someone should ball gag this whore. Maybe Corky can loan her one of his.

"The reference is to supers going against the pledged delegate count."

Posted by tigerbalm

What kind of democrat has a problem with Superdelegates? It's only been in the rules for 20+ years. You've had all that time to change the rules or create a new party.

Funny how people who say we should allow disenfranchisement of FL and MI on the basis of "rules" are completely okay with people abandoning the party for adhering to rules that have been on the books for over 20 YEARS.

And they still claim the high road.

Clinton had more black support in November 2007 than Obama did. If his appeal was entirely racial, as some people keep saying, explain that fact. Did he change races?

Posted by rcade at 2008-05-08 11:05 AM | Reply |


What has Obama done to endear himself to the lock step voting blacks?
The answer is absolutely nothing, well except be black.

only makes you look more the unconscionable sycophant.

and in your room you ignore the giant elephant


THE INEVITABLE VICTORY OF OBAMA

They're lockstep voters.


Posted by 101Chairborne

...as opposed to racist white trash like 101 who, after careful consideration of all the facts, always vote for the best person, i.e white,black,man or woman. HAHAHAHAHA!

Clinton had more black support in November 2007 than Obama did. If his appeal was entirely racial, as some people keep saying, explain that fact. Did he change races?

I have told this story here before, but I think it is appropriate here as well. In July of 2007 I went out to the seminar portion of the Essence Festival - a weekend here in NOLA which is mainly tailored to African-Americans from all over the country. Here I am, a white-male in a predominantly African-American setting, with my Obama gear on, trying to sign up Obama supporters. I can remember being told over and over by people that they were not interested and they were Hillary supporters. I have to admit that I was perplexed as this demographic seemed to be the easiest for Obama to pick up, but he was having troubles making in-roads. So to say that African-Americans are backing Obama solely because he is black isn't true. Obama has worked hard to garner their trust and support and Clinton has helped by scaring off their support.

-Someone should ball gag this whore. Maybe Corky can loan her one of his.

Get yours back from Rogers and I'll see what I can do.

Subject: Harry Truman




When President Truman retired from office in 1952, his income was substantially a U.S. Army pension reported to have been $13,507.72 (that's thirteen thousand) a year. Congress, noting that he was paying for his stamps and personally licking them, granted him an "allowance" and, later, a retroactive pension of $25,000 per year. When offered corporate positions at large salaries, he declined, stating,"You don't want me. You want the office of the president, and that doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the American people and it's not for sale."


Even later, on May 6, 1971, when Congress was preparing to award him the Medal of Honor on his 87th birthday, he refused to accept it, writing, "I don't consider that I have done anything which should be the reason for any award, Congressional or otherwise."


We now see that the Clinton's have found a new level of success in cashing in on the presidency, resulting in untold wealth (over $100 million dollars). Today, many in Congress also have found a way to become quite wealthy while enjoying the fruits of their offices. Political offices are now for sale.


Was good old Harry Truman correct when he observed, "My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference."

Clinton had more black support in November 2007 than Obama did. If his appeal was entirely racial, as some people keep saying, explain that fact. Did he change races?

Posted by rcade


Every other group is 55-45% or 60-40% or somewhere kind of close like that between the two of them except for the black vote which is somewhere around 94%. His appeal is not entirely racial... there's still 6% who aren't voting for him afterall.

What has Obama done to endear himself to the lock step voting blacks?

I'm confused here myself. If there were two white dem candidates who were essentially 95% the same as far as platform goes, the black vote would be equally distributed among the two.

"Danni,

What does he have in common with undeducated, poor, unemployed, unarticulate, profligate, gangsta-lovin' hood dwellers except his skin?"

What makes you think that ignoratn, racist comments like that deserve a response. I am surprised that a racist has managed to remain employed as a teacher, you must hide it well while at work. I bet your black students know though, if you have any.

What does he have in common with undeducated, poor, unemployed, unarticulate, profligate, gangsta-lovin' hood dwellers except his skin?

They aren't bad people. They're just ignorant and racist....

Posted by jonryker

and yet in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana they keep voting for Hillary those undeducated, poor, unemployed, unarticulate, profligate......

Yes Rob we see you think black voters who vote for Obama are racists - thanks for the illustration Moron.

Obama played the race card in SC...... Obamites selectively forgetting the Obama memos that Timmah waved under Obama's nose at the debate while Obama apologized for them.

It was only after Obama sent out those convoluted quotes to the media that it became an issue.

As if race in SC with Obama as a candidate wasn't going to be an issue all along.

Geezer1,

I don't think she got much of the black vote in those states. However, if she did, then it is likely that those black voters are not racist.

...as opposed to racist white trash like 101 who, after careful consideration of all the facts, always vote for the best person, i.e white,black,man or woman. HAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by geezer1 at 2008-05-08 11:14 AM | Reply


Are you dumb enough to believe you some how countered the fact that blacks are lock stepping voters? I'll bet you are.

Readjust your oxygen mask gramps. You may need some more.

Can I get just an honest answer here from RCade, or Taxman or someone on the left... If 94% of White voters went to Clinton, don't you think there would be talk about racist America just not wanting to vote for the Black candidate.

What's frustrating about this, is we all know that you guys see it the same way... you know that 94% is such a deviation fromt the trend of all other groups that there has to be something else driving it but you just won't admit it.

And I don't even care about Black voters... they vot 85-90% democrat anyways... They're not going to vote McCain if its Obama OR Hillary... I would just like to see you guys be a little honest about that 90%+ support.

Obama played the race card in SC......

and still defeated Hillary Clinton soundly.

Yes Rob we see you think black voters who vote for Obama are racists - thanks for the illustration Moron.

Posted by Repugnant


94%!!!!!!!! If 94% of White voters vote for McCain in November you'll be here screaming racism...

"For Obama to take 94% of Black voters has everything to do with race... just admit it."

Bullshit !!!

Change Obama To Clarence Thomas You Think He Would Get 94% Of The Vote ?

NOT !!!

Sorry That Dog Don't Hunt !

Lynn Swan Lost Because He Was A Republican Not Because He Was Black Or White !

Case Closed !

-Sarge

I would just like to see you guys be a little honest about that 90%+ support.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-08 11:20 AM | Reply


Holy shit are you a sap. Asking an Obama supporter to be honest or to see reality is like asking Geezer when he'll get his next hard on. In other words, it just ain't gonna happen.

Lynn Swan Lost Because He Was A Republican Not Because He Was Black Or White !

Case Closed !

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


You're an idiot... First off that was Pennsylvania, where Obama lost too... second Rendell is very well liked in Philly, he wasn't going to lose. Third, that was a general election, not a Democratic Primary!

94%

Are you dumb enough to believe you some how countered the fact that blacks are lock stepping voters? I'll bet you are.

Posted by 101Chairborne

or are you talking about the Religious Reich Wing.

I don't think I ever said that another poster here belonged to the KKK, moral leper.

After a continuous reading of your posts here and in the past how could you not expect this? Particularly after hillary's comments and YOUR supporting it with trying to justify it thru some false delusion that Obama is the problem.

Get real and come back to reality, stop clouding your idiotic decision of her support by lowering your moral and ethical values, I expect better of you.

And for your insight, how many people actually vote?

Compare those percentages of distribution instead of the population distribution.

Obama has clearly in all measures won this and the fact that you supporters feel the need to go down dirtying the party you so claimed early on was the most important for the election. Well, your hypocrisy is showing, you clearly could careless about the party.

Like I've been saying.....Clinton's simply showing their TRUE COLORS......

like asking Geezer when he'll get his next hard on.

Rigamortis?

-Asking an Obama supporter to be honest or to see reality is like asking Geezer when he'll get his next hard on. In other words, it just ain't gonna happen.


FF!

Or like asking Rogers to answer a tough question. That ain't happenin' either.

If 94% of White voters went to Clinton, don't you think there would be talk about racist America just not wanting to vote for the Black candidate.

This is a dumb question. If 94% of white voters went to one candidate the race would've ended in New Hampshire.

So many prominent Dems are saying we need to be "polite" to Hillary...
let her exit gracefully and on her own terms.

She's amply proved that she is an ugly racist slut.
The best thing the Dem party could do would be to put the boots to her, and the sooner the better.

No VEEP shot, nada influence in American politics.

Send the Billaries off to the Paraguay compound with the Bushies.

oregon is 90% white yet obama has a 12 point lead here.... i guess nobody told us we need to vote based on race

put a fork in hillary...she's done

Posted by 503jc69

Thanks for that 503 !
(Me old Salem Oregon boy).

or are you talking about the Religious Reich Wing.

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 11:24 AM | Reply


You quoted what I wrote (hint, it was "blacks are lockstep voters") and then ask me if I'm talking about the Religious whackos on the right?

How fucking dumb are you?

Look just cause Liz Claiborne cant get a stiffy out of geezer doesnt mean Geezer has a problem Claiborne just fails at everything - at least hes worried about it though

This is a dumb question. If 94% of white voters went to one candidate the race would've ended in New Hampshire.

Posted by rcade


No it isn't...

Let's say its November 10th right now, all the results are in. Obama loses in a landslid to McCain and we learn 94% of Whites voted for McCain.

Wouldn't you be calling that racism?

blacks are lockstep voters") and then ask me if I'm talking about the Religious whackos on the right?


OH because religous voters never vote lockstep do they...

Oh wait they perfected it.

Youre the obvious dumbfuck here Liz!

blacks are lockstep voters")

I think 101 meant, "Poplock" voters

last election 100% of white voters voted for the white candidate- all RACISTS!

OH because religous voters never vote lockstep do they...

Oh wait they perfected it.

Youre the obvious dumbfuck here Liz!

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 11:30 AM | Reply


God damn you're a dumb bastard. Let's just agree with that part and then move on to your deflection:

Religious voters vote on what they percieve to be moral values, whether that is right or wrong.
Blacks are voting on skin color.

See the difference dummy? I didn't think so.

I think 101 meant, "Poplock" voters

So what are all of the whites the "Swing" voters?

ahh fun with racism - brilliant asshole!

Don't you lefties see that calling someone "racist" makes discussion and resolution impossible? If they are, so what?

This is why Dems lose. They're fragmented over race, gender, sexual orientation, etc....can't present a united front because they can't agree on WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, other than to exploit the minority groups they create by refusing to get past the labels and unite around something that works for nearly everybody.

This is a classic example. Clearly, many blacks are voting for Obama because of his skin color. There is no significant policy difference between he an Billary to generate that kind of spread. Ok, so what? You all can't even agree on an obvious fact like that, so how are you gonna create a platform which appeals to a wide range of people? The answer is, you can not, and that's not good for the country.

Drop the labels and put together some ideas which are newer than The Great Society!

So what are all of the whites the "Swing" voters?

there you go... Not bad

See the difference

You didn't say anything about moral values, you merely mentioned lockstep voters.

The religious right is the model of lockstep voting

but keep denying it, you become more ridiculous with every post and its entertaining to rip you apart.

you know that 94% is such a deviation fromt the trend of all other groups that there has to be something else driving it but you just won't admit it.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

My black friends are a little embarrassed by this, but there is no F'ing way they are going to admit it publicly when they have a chance to finally put a black man in the white house.

"...but that's a temporary condition, too. Can you dig it...?"
-george clinton

I can't say I blame them, but I do see the catch 22.

Why white Obama supporters think this way is another story altogether.

My guess is that, apart from his qualifications as a viable candidate, white guilt has been eating at them so long that the first chance they get to assuage that guilt with any plausible deniability, they took it.

Not that Hillary is such an outstanding candidate in comparison, of course.

last election 100% of white voters voted for the white candidate- all RACISTS!

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 11:32 AM | Reply


Clearly you are the dumbest of all of the Obama water carriers.
What black candidate was in the last election stupid?

Did you actually believe that retort was either on target or perceptive?

You poor fool.

Why is it so hard for Obama supporters to place responsibility on Obama for his gaffes and ugly comments and his Pastor, all things that alienated blue-collar Dems?

Because it is so easy to cry "racist!", instead.



All that had to happen for Obama to win outright is for his Lake County supporters not to have fucked up the absentee count. Hard to find good help these days.

Or he could have just won PA or Ohio or Indiana..... if he hadn't already alienated blue-collar Dems by calling them gun-toting, Bible-thumping xenophobic bigots, or had his Pastor not God Damned America.

Those damn blue-collar racists!

You're an idiot... First off that was Pennsylvania, where Obama lost too... second Rendell is very well liked in Philly, he wasn't going to lose. Third, that was a general election, not a Democratic Primary!

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


No Rob You You Are ! You Just Proved My Point !!!

Swan Did Not Get 94 % Of The Black Vote You Ass Clown !!!

Why ? Because Rendell Was And Is Well Liked And Supported By A Majority Of Blacks, Fool !!

Damn Does It Hurt To Be Such A Bigot ?

-Sarge

Or he could have just won PA or Ohio or Indiana..... if he hadn't already alienated blue-collar Dems by calling them gun-toting, Bible-thumping xenophobic bigots, or had his Pastor not God Damned America.

Those damn blue-collar racists!

Posted by Corky


and yet he won the...

NOMINATION

ahaaa,

Where did Hillbillary go so wrong.... think think think...

Did you actually believe that retort was either on target or perceptive?


Posted by 101Chairborne


Oh Liz
Pull the stick out of your ass, have a little fun with life.

Winning the nomination only to lose the Presidency?

Dukakis
Kerry
Obama

Peas in a pod.

"...You all can't even agree on an obvious fact like that, so how are you gonna create a platform which appeals to a wide range of people? The answer is, you can not, and that's not good for the country.

Drop the labels and put together some ideas which are newer than The Great Society!"

Posted by jonryker

I was bitching about great society programs, albeit to myself, just this morning, lol.

But seriously, apart from that, your words echo what I've been saying all along.

The Dem's ahve been the "live and let live" party for so long, that they don't know what it means to work together for a common cause.

A great idea taken to the most absurd of extremes. And here you are.

I don't think she got much of the black vote in those states. However, if she did, then it is likely that those black voters are not racist.

Posted by jonryker

You are really a moron with a capital M! Those
undeducated, poor, unemployed, unarticulate (maybe INarticulate) folks were most of the whites in those states.

Damn Does It Hurt To Be Such A Bigot ?

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge

You're the one voting for the guy because he has the same skin color as you... you tell me if it hurts.

The next president of the United States will be Obama, live with it.

My word, hillary clearly has lost and her supporters just can't give it up, have to make some kind of whining excuse that it is not her fault but Obamas.

Yellow dog democrat hmmmmmmm!!! Corky????????

You mean he votes democrat no matter what, yet right here on this thread he is trying to make an argument on a similar basis that that is way way wrong and won't catch the majority.

OBAMA has won corky, climb on board. Is it possible for you to make the fundamental shift to make change happen????????

is this the "race card" commin from the wife of the
"first black president"shockin ain't it
jasman

Clearly you are the dumbest of all of the Obama water carriers.


Clearly you dont know anything about me Liz-

I am a Ron Paul Spambot, a true conservative, a constitutionalist.

Winning the nomination only to lose the Presidency?
Dukakis
Kerry
Obama
Peas in a pod.

Posted by Corky

Ohh, your so poignant

and you were SO RIGHT about HILLBILLARY!

you soothsayer you

With all the horrible things Corky says Obama has done, the real question she should pose is, "why is my beloved candidate so far behind, or behind at all"? I mean, Obama is a young man, without her experience, her connections, and her political machine, etc., and she still couldn't put him away. Why?

Lib thinking gies like this: when 97% of Black voters support Obama that's not racist, but when only 40% of White voters support Obama, the other 60% are racist.

Winning the nomination only to lose the Presidency?

Dukakis
Kerry
Obama

Peas in a pod.

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-08 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag

What is important is making sure a democrat gains the white house...........YOUR WORDS CORKY.......and yet here you are with this.


Stop making an ass out of yourself and begin providing the democratic support that is needed to happen to make this a better country for us and our children.

Winning a Dem primary and winning a general election are two different things. The reason that SDs exist, as a matter of fact.

The river of denial by Obamites that his elitist comments and his Pastors anti-American rants...... and his own failure to connect with blue-collar Dems.... is more the source of his losing their votes 70-30 than this pathetic whining about racism.

Lib thinking gies like this: when 97% of Black voters support Obama that's not racist, but when only 40% of White voters support Obama, the other 60% are racist.

Posted by fwthom


Newsworthy Flag... but only because there isn't a "Ain't that the goddamned truth" flag

You're the one voting for the guy because he has the same skin color as you... you tell me if it hurts.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

That Is Not The Reason Why I'm Voting For Him, Period !!

I Would Be Voting For McCain But He Has Turned Into A NEOCON Ass Kisser !!!

I Vote On Issues Not On Color !


-Sarge

Holy shit are you a sap. Asking an Obama supporter to be honest or to see reality is like asking Geezer when he'll get his next hard on. In other words, it just ain't gonna happen.

Posted by 101Chairborne

I don't understand what the hell your point is. White, uneducated, underemployed catholics in Pennsylvania voted in lockstep for Hillary. So what? If Obama had made repeated negative remarks, over a four month period, about whites, I'm sure that Hillary would have taken 94% of the white vote. BTW, Like you I don't need viagra for my hard-ons which I, not only get regularly but as a natural response to beautiful, sexy women not young boys like you.

No Corky,
Please - continue to make an ass out of yourself

With all the stupid Clinton BS you've posted here in - today is your day. you deserve it!

Make a fool out of yourself, and I'll sit back and enjoy it.

It is with shock and awe that CORKY has such a big EGO that he thinks that if his candidate he supports doesn't win the nomination for the party that the party is going to lose.

Now that is a true elitest attitude. Oops! What candidate does he support?

I Vote On Issues Not On Color !


-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


You take issue with McCain's lack of melanin so you are voting for Obama...

Rigamortis?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Christ, at least spell it right. It was a one-word retort!

Well good, now that I have the both rightwing thugs and the far leftwing pants-pissers dissing me, I feel like most of the rest of America.

Christ, at least spell it right.

For spell checking a blog, I hope you fall and break your hip today.

Clinton: Whites Like Me Better

Translation:

"We can afford to take Blacks for granted, they won't vote Repub even if a less-qualified white person-me-get the nomitation." -- HRC

What a disgrace, but what do you expect, the Dems have been taking blacks for granted for years, it's time they woke up and demand to be treated with respect.

In the words of Ride_On, the Clintos are showing their true colors.

Hillary is correct, there is a pattern emerging. It has nothing to do with race, it's has to do with people knowing more about Obama than we did 6 months ago.

Obama is doing the most damage himself. 20 years with Rev. Wright and trying to hang on to him as long as he did, typical white person and bitter clingers, etc.

The more people question and try to vet the guy the more that strengthens his black vote as they come to his defense.

I feel like most of the rest of America.

Most of Americans have fallen for some stupid political Bullshit the last decade, so your not alone

Just wake the hell up and realize we need to take our country back from the special interests and corporations that Clinton has in her back pocket or injected by her proctologist!

last election 100% of white voters voted for the white candidate- all RACISTS!

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 11:32 AM | Reply


Clearly you are the dumbest of all of the Obama water carriers.
What black candidate was in the last election stupid?

Did you actually believe that retort was either on target or perceptive?

You poor fool.

Posted by 101Chairborn


HAHAHAHAHA...My God, you are really retarded. Even the people in Burma got that joke!!

and Hillary carries the big states.

anyone who thinks that that Obama will not beat McCain in California and New York are as stupid as Corky

anyone who thinks that that Obama will not beat McCain in California and New York are as stupid as Corky

Posted by Repugnant

It's not the big states that are going to matter in an Obama/McCain contest.

Could It Be The Issues And Not His Color ?

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


No... its his color.

The religious right is the model of lockstep voting

but keep denying it, you become more ridiculous with every post and its entertaining to rip you apart.


Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 11:36 AM | Reply


Dummy: Where did I deny anything let alone "keep" denying it?

The religious right does vote lockstep (which I already said you dumbshit).

You aren't ripping anything and you know it. You're out of your league little man.

For spell checking a blog, I hope you fall and break your hip today.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Usually I wouldn't point out a spelling error, but on a one-word retort I couldn't let it slide.

anyone who thinks that that Obama will not beat McCain in California and New York are as stupid as Corky

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 12:05 PM | Reply |

The polls show Obama taking New York and California. Don't you look at links or does your giant brain tell you that you don't need them? The polls show Clinton doing better nationally against McCain.

Could It Be The Issues And Not His Color ?

Posted by Sarge

No, it could not be the issues, because their platforms are essentially identical. If his platform were that persuasive in comparison to clinton's ALL democrats would be supporting him with with the same percentages that blacks are.

Now, if you said it was change for the sake of change, then you could be on to something.

Change comes in all forms, not all good. We should be a little more critical when somebody offers up "change" without any clarifiers.

Its just like saying more mom's choose brand x.

change.... 30, 40, 50 cents?

The polls show Obama taking New York and California. Don't you look at links or does your giant brain tell you that you don't need them? The polls show Clinton doing better nationally against McCain.

The polls, the polls, the holy, sacred polls.

The polls also showed Clinton winning the nomination before the primaries began.

God bless the polls.

Where did I deny anything let alone "keep" denying it?


Well first you said that blacks vote in lockstep saying
the fact that blacks are lock stepping voters?

Then I made a witty reference that religious right votes in lockstep also.

or are you talking about the Religious Reich Wing.

Then you deflected the argument to morals vs racism, which was not what we were referencing at all, So I point that simple fact out to you...

and you still cant see the original correlation.

That makes you the dumbfuck here twit.

Your owned Boy. Your point is blown apart.

now piss off Liz Claiborne

Play the race card. It's all she's got.

Play the race card. It's all she's got.

No... its his color.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Now You Want To Control My Thoughts Rob, How Supremacist Of You.

It Is "The Issues" Just Like The 65% Of The "White" College Educated Supporters He Has !!

-Sarge

The religious right does vote lockstep (which I already said you dumbshit). -Liz

Actually thats what I said and you diverted from

but hey you want to be like me

Im flattered

It Is "The Issues" Just Like The 65% Of The "White" College Educated Supporters He Has !!

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


If Obama had only 65% of black votes I would agree with you. But unlike the College educated people who are making decisions based on issues, Black voters are making their decision because of skin color.

Yes, we now have a Corky denial that Obama is the candidate of choice

So Corky are you going to fall in line and say she should continue to distract the Democrats for another 5 weeks?

How long shall the clintons continue to be an anchor on the democratic party.

Awesome 5 more weeks of exposing you as a person who doesnt give a crap about the democratic party!

Sarge, I'm just curious, when you go to the grocery store to buy syrup, do you have a meltdown in the middle of the aisle when you have to choose between Aunt Jemimah and Mrs. Butterworth? It must be such a relief to get to the rice aisle and have the easy decision of Uncle Ben's vs. Rice-a-roni...

Now, if you said it was change for the sake of change, then you could be on to something.

That Is The Issue "Change", Hillary Is The Past !

He Has The View Of Different Way Of Running Government.

-Sarge

Obamaniacs...I think y'all ought to be pissed ...
She pointed out that you were mostly a bunch of outa work section eight food stampers or just barely employed slackers.

" working, hard-working Americans" for Hillary 08!

a person who doesnt give a crap about the democratic party!

Posted by Repugnant


Talk about the classic self-retort.....

But unlike the College educated people who are making decisions based on issues, Black voters are making their decision because of skin color.

Yeah, none of those niggers ever goes to college.

Do you not see how racist that sounds? And I'm not usually one to play race games.

He Has The View Of Different Way Of Running Government.

-Sarge

Waiting for him to articulate what form of change he's talking about.

change for change's sake is stupid if what you change to is worse than the alternative.

But if all he's got to do is say his "change" is that he's not married to a former president.... then how relevent is that?

Rob you should join Corky and Liz at the trough.

Black voters are making their decision because of skin color.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-08 12:29 PM

That is possible, but you can't say 'black voters' because that would mean all of them. Many already voted for Clinton. So 'blacks' were and are willing to vote for her.

But then she started to go negative against Obama and not coincidentally black support for Clinton wained. I think that has more to do with it, we can see a direct cause and effect relationship.

Rep, I don't think we truly know what Corky is thinking, because he/she has turned into trolling. Just trying to stir up trouble and calling people here names. Heck, even starting up an alter-ego. He/she is passionate, that's for sure.

Rob you should join Corky and Liz at the trough.

Posted by Repugnant

This statement implies I wasn't there to begin with...

Being called a racist by you liberal twats is just fine with me... in fact I kind of enjoy it.

Actually thats what I said and you diverted from

but hey you want to be like me

Im flattered

Posted by Repugnant at 2008-05-08 12:26 PM | Reply


You poor dummy. Blacks vote lockstep. This isn't about the religious right which you were lamely trying to deflect to.

If I wanted to be like you I'd smoke pole for crack and cry myself to sleep at night.

Your lame deflections don't change the fact that blacks are lockstep voters and incapable of being anything else. History is on my side.

You're too stupid to follow along, we get it.

Your lame deflections don't change the fact that blacks are lockstep voters and incapable of being anything else.

I disagree, but I'll play along.

If that is the case, why do you think black voters behave that way?

Sorry I use Log Cabin (Republicans)

LMAO... yeah that would have been my second guess...

As this thread plainly shows, Hillary's continuation of her campaign is having negative consequences for Democrats. For the good of the country she should quit the race.

For the good of the country she should quit the race.

Posted by danni


Or Obama could convince the necessary number of SD's to support him and reach the necessary delegate number... and you know... win.

Do you not see how racist that sounds? And I'm not usually one to play race games.

Posted by ness_gadol


Rob Knows What It Sounds like And What It Means.

Lynn Swan, Clarence Thomas, Michael S. Steele Would Never Get 94% Of The Black Vote, Period.

-Sarge

Now that it appears as though Obama has the nomination locked up, I'd like his supporters to participate in a brief quiz without checking any websites for the answer. This will be done on the honors system.

1. What is Obama's plan to solve the looming social security crisis?

2. What will be Obama's policy in the middle east?

3. What is Obama's plan to solve the looming medicare shortfalls?

4. What is Obama's policy on energy?

5. What will Obama do with our military?

6. What is Obama's stance on illegal immigration?

Oh yeah, she should get out of the race.

Posted by Corky


Hillary can't get the numbers!! Like you, all she is succeding at is looking very, very pathetic.

Waiting for him to articulate what form of change he's talking about.

~Dion Celine

Ah, the ole "Empty Suit" argument.

Wot a fucknut you are.

Obama is a policy wonk's policy wonk. He used to get criticized for being too professorial in his speeches so he changed to be more uplifting and now he supposedly an empty suit because of that.

Changes? Off the top of me head...

Getting out of Iraq.

Investing in too long ignored Infrastructure.

Promoting a real National Healthcare plan one that benefits people rather than Aetna et al and the HMO's.

Talking with America's enemies rather than giving them a free pass.

Working on increasing Governmental Ethics.

Returning to fiscally responsible policies after the years of dangerously destructive and reckless GOPher "borrow and spend" madness.

Comprehensive national enviromental and energy policies that don't undercut each other.

Talking straight with the America People rather than pandering to them or treating them like retarded children a'la McCain and ClintCo.

In a sense the empty suit argument can be turned on it's head by noting that both McCain's suit and Hillary pantsuit are not empty.

They ARE FULL ...of SHIT.

Did anyone else catch McNutso on the Daily Show last night? Not answering a single question honestly. Turning every answer he gave into a dumbed down campaign sound byte. The guy thinks he's on easy street and all he has to do to get the Presidency is to largely avoid saying anything controversial or real.

He's wrong, of course, but that's the way he's playing it.

Straight Talk Express? NOT!

If McCain swallowed a nail he'd shit out a corkscrew.

Same fer Hillary. Natch.

08ama.

Be Well.

"Could It Be The Issues And Not His Color ?

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge


No... its his color.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-08 12:10 PM"

Excuse me, Rob? Are you saying that Obama changed color over that year, or that Blacks didn't know he was Black? I can't see any other support for your avaluation. Care to explain?

No matter how much you want to control my thought process sorry Clinton "Had" a Majority of the Black Vote until She and Bill Fucked Up !


Are you sure that was it ?
I think it had a lot to do with the question of BHO's blackness.... at the beginning of the race.

Now that it appears as though Obama has the nomination locked up, I'd like his supporters to participate in a brief quiz without checking any websites for the answer. This will be done on the honors system.

1. What is Obama's plan to solve the looming social security crisis?......

Posted by JOE

Actually Joe, I would like the current resident of the White House to answer this little quiz. After all, we still have six months of the little moron.

Excuse me, Rob? Are you saying that Obama changed color over that year, or that Blacks didn't know he was Black? I can't see any other support for your avaluation. Care to explain?

Posted by mOntecOre


There have been Black candidates before (Sharpton, Mosely Brown, Jackson)... none viable... once one showed up with the possibility of winning Blacks went full steam ahead to him.

Looking at all the other demographics, and how they break down between Obama and Clinton (Educated vs. Non educated, Religious vs. Non, etc...) for Blacks to break 94% to the Black guy means that race is involved.

"Your lame deflections don't change the fact that blacks are lockstep voters and incapable of being anything else. History is on my side.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-05-08 12:52 PM"

Incapable? What an idiot.

Does it ever occur to you that perhaps Blacks make a conscious choice to avoid voting for Republicans, because Republicans' policies are contrary to those sought by Blacks? Is that so hard for you to wrap your mind around, that you have to go racist and claim Blacks are incapable of voting in their best interest?

You're better when you're trying to be funny, 101. When you try to have a serious discussion, you don't come off so well.

Why lower-middle class whites vote Republican against their best interests is beyond me. And Hillary, no they don't. Especially this one.

But, Rob, Obama was Black when this poll was taken, wasn't he?

"Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama."

You still haven't explained why Blacks fled from Clinton, who they favored, to Obama. Was it because they didn't know he was Black when that poll was taken, or or that Obama wasn't Black back then?

THIS JUST IN.....WHITE RACISTS 100% AGAINST OBAMA!!!

"Was it because they didn't know he was Black when that poll was taken, or or that Obama wasn't Black back then?"

Because that was when he "wasn't black enough."
He has become blacker since then.

You still haven't explained why Blacks fled from Clinton

Yes I did... When the race started it didn't seem like Obama could win, so they stuck with the Clinton's who have always had strong Black support. Once they saw he could win, pretty much every voting Black person went to Obama.

Now how about you explain how 94% of them voting for Obama, when no other group favors either candidate that strongly isn't about race?

I'm rather far to the left in many things.. but I'm not so blind to the makeup of our country as to think Obama has a chance. We all can argue endlessly about it but, at the end of the day:

1) He's Black, and our country doesn't really like black people that much.

2) His biggest voterbase are trust fund collegiates and black people of all financial stripes. While the first group may be among the loudest, they are by far a minority. So are black people in general (a minority).

3) His middle name is HUSSEIN. There's really no argument about it. That will matter. And the Republicans WILL use it.

4) 20-year association with a racist, anti-american preacher. That will trigger the average, slightly informed white voter (which is the LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC) to stay lightyears away from him.

5) He has a wife who shouldn't be allowed near a microphone that's on.. she keeps sticking her foot in her mouth. (First time proud of America, if it weren't for affirmative action I wouldn't have been allowed into law school, Wright made a lot of sense, and so on)

Hillary is just speaking the truth. You can even call her racist or whatever for saying so. THAT DOESN'T STOP WHAT SHE SAID FROM BEING TRUE. Whether we like it or not, America is still a pretty racist place to be.

I swear, I belong to a party which lives in a magical fairy world where unicorns dash about gracefully, little tinker gnomes fix your shoes, and what will be portrayed successfully by the media as a "Racist, inexperienced, backstabbing n----- named Hussein" is electable.

-Changes? Off the top of me head...

Celine might have meant changes that Obama has come up with, not the standard Dem litany that you mention.

But then, that would be rather difficult to find, eh?

Monte,
I don't think he was black back in those days...did I win???

"Now how about you explain how 94% of them voting for Obama, when no other group favors either candidate that strongly isn't about race?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-08 01:18 PM"

For the same reason that, if you were faced with a decision between two people who had much the same policies where one was a white, male computer geek married to a doctor who was a huge Eagles fan, and the other was a hispanic woman who was a big Patriots fan, you would vote for the former. People tend to favor those most like them, and that applies to Blacks, whites, jocks, doctors, cops, steelworkers, union members, etc. etc. etc.

When the right realized they were going to lose this coming election Obama's skin color became the best way they had to fight against him. Look at who on this thread is concerned about 94% of black people voting for him, it isn't white liberals who would actually consider voting Democratic, no, it's white conservatives who never had any intention of voting for any Democrat. Why do we even bother debating this topic with them. I think I will only bother discussing Obama with people who would actually consider voting Democrat and ignore those who I know won't. We'll have our chance to debate issues with them for the Nov. election and there are plenty of issues to debate but Obama's skin color just isn't relevant to those issues.
I think Operation Chaos is in full swing to use racism as the Republican's best strategy to beat Obama. Trust me....this one is going to really get nasty and force many of the closet racists of the Republican and Democratic Parties to reveal their ugly selves. STill, I am hopeful that good people will prevail and President Obama will replace the POS who now inhabits the WH.

"2) His biggest voterbase are trust fund collegiates and black people of all financial stripes. While the first group may be among the loudest, they are by far a minority. So are black people in general (a minority)."

Well, since those two groups together don't make up any where near a majority of Dem voters, how do you explain the fact that Obama is ahead of Hillary, and that she can't win without the help of politicians bucking the will of the primary voters?

"He has become blacker since then.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-08 01:17 PM"

Thanks to Hillary's photoshop experts, he kind of did, at least in her attack ads.

People tend to favor those most like them, and that applies to Blacks, whites, jocks, doctors, cops, steelworkers, union members, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by mOntecOre

So 90%+/- of White Women voted for Hillary this primary?

No, Rob, some of those women like sipping lattes and analyzing their trust funds, so of course they voted for Obama, because that's the only people besides Blacks who support him.

Don't get me wrong, Rob. I'm not saying no Blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color. What I am saying is that not all Blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color, and that Blacks are perfectly "capable" (in 101's thinly veiled language) of voting for a party other than the Dem party, if that other party truly supported their causes. The GOP has proven otherwise, over and over again, for decades, so they don't get the Black vote. And they don't get the Black vote even when a whitey is the Dem candidate.

Of course, this whole argument that blue-collar Dems vote for Clinton because they are racists instead of because of Obama and his Pastor's remarks about them only serves to have added calling them racists to Obama's famous description of them.

That ought to help him in the rest of these races and in the fall, ya think?

Y'know Monte, I know you've heard this from a lot of the right wingnuts on the site, but I'm going to go ahead and reiterate what they say:

You constantly ignore the substance of a post and needle at one tiny piece of it. You're not worth responding to, or even reading.

*feels dirty for having semi-quoted Chairborne*

Don't get me wrong, Rob. I'm not saying no Blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color. What I am saying is that not all Blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color, and that Blacks are perfectly "capable" (in 101's thinly veiled language) of voting for a party other than the Dem party, if that other party truly supported their causes. The GOP has proven otherwise, over and over again, for decades, so they don't get the Black vote. And they don't get the Black vote even when a whitey is the Dem candidate.

Trust me....this one is going to really get nasty and force many of the closet racists of the Republican and Democratic Parties to reveal their ugly selves.

ugly is ugly. All elections get nasty when the white house is at stake.

You are worried about white racist republicans when Rob points out that 94% of blacks will vote for the black candidate. I expected a number that high. Fine with me but it is hypocritical to assign the term "closet racist" to anybody else.

"That ought to help him in the rest of these races and in the fall, ya think?

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-08 01:34 PM"

FINALLY, Corky concedes defeat. I'm sure she feels better now, having gotten that off her fun bags.

Man, the stupid in here is piled up deeper than the horseshit behind the stables at Churchill Downs. Of course, the resident moron Corky is leading the charge but Rob has no claim of innocence.

This one's gonna get WAY uglier than any previous election if Obama is the nominee.

For further proof, note the sheer number of posts to this thread, in just a little over 4 hours.

EP,

That's where you're wrong. McInsane knows that there are huge gaffes just hiding behind the doors number 1-119.

I dunno, Reagan. It may not be McCain himself but the repub party will beat the race/muslim/crazy pastor drum to death, with emphasis on race. I hope I'm wrong.

"You constantly ignore the substance of a post and needle at one tiny piece of it. You're not worth responding to, or even reading.

Posted by soheifox at 2008-05-08 01:34 PM"

If the premise of an argument is faulty, I'm going to point that out, because it casts doubt on the conclusion reached. If you don't like it, don't include a faulty premise when you build your argument.

Who are you, anyway, that you know my history and other posters' comments, etc., but have a handle I've never heard of? As 101 would say, only quisling finger-sniffers change their handles.

only quisling finger-sniffers change their handles.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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What in the world will you do when your lover NULLandVOID (aka O'Crap'O') sees that comment of yours....hehehe.

"Fine with me but it is hypocritical to assign the term "closet racist" to anybody else."

Baloney. Blue collar whites who will vote for Hillary but not Obama are simply closet racists unless they are willing to openly admit their racism.
The majority of black voters have long since proven their willingness to vote for white Democrats but, not surprisingly, they prefer a black Democrat. Preference yes, racism no.
At least black voters are not willing to vote against their own interests rather than voting for a white, the same obviously isn't true with some whites.
The most annoying thing though is that the righties posting here about black "racism" are really just looking for an issue to attack the leading Democrat, they really don't give a crap about what color he is or what motivates black voters. They just want a weapon with which to divide Democrats.
It is really not a race division in America any longer, it is a class division and right now we are in the midst of a class war. I hope that the blue collar white working class realizes which side of that war they are on.

"I dunno, Reagan. It may not be McCain himself but the repub party will beat the race/muslim/crazy pastor drum to death, with emphasis on race. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-05-08 01:43 PM"

EP, they will. And it will work. It evokes what Franken wrote in "Lies". Here's the scenario:

*Caller* Hi! I'm from Zogby. Would you have 15 seconds to take a short poll?

*Average Voter* Sure, why not?

*Caller* If you knew Barrack Hussein Obama was involved with radical antiwhite activists and had a muslim history, would that effect your vote?

*Average Voter* Hmm. It just might.

*Caller* Have a nice day!

That is a very light taste of what will happen. And I'm afraid it's going to work.

THIS JUST IN.....BLACK RACISTS 94% FOR OBAMA!!!

"Actually Joe, I would like the current resident of the White House to answer this little quiz."

This is the only answer I get? The best description of Obama's plans for America is a Bush deflection? What are you lefties going to do when Bush is gone? Who will be your "go-to guy" when you are at a loss to answer for how big of failures the Democrats are?

Don't be silly, Ride_On, your sister is still my lover, and she'll stay that way so long as she keeps bringing your mom to toss my salad.

"Blacks are perfectly "capable" (in 101's thinly veiled language) of voting for a party other than the Dem party, if that other party truly supported their causes"

What have leading democrats done in the last 20 years to advance "black" causes? Please be specific.

An IQ of 58 and he calls others morons.

No dummy, "moron" would be someone who adds "racist" to their description of the Dem blue-collar voters they need to win as gun-toting, Bible-thumping, xenophobic bigots.

ELCID your logic is lacking, most of those black voters have voted for white candidates before including the Clintons....not so of the blue collar whites who refuse to vote for Obama. They are racists while that 94% are just expressing a preference. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE though those lacking in the ability to use logic may not be able to recognize it.

Sohei,
Exactly...

EP...I hope it is not about BHO's color.
It should be more about his socialism and proposed policies.

I do think the press ,like the AP article quoted, is going to keep analyzing the color of the vote. That will keep it simmering.

Do your own fucking research, Joe. You are asking people to write small novels in order to answer your questions. (Law school exam time, isn't it?)

Are you saying that the GOP has done something to earn the Black vote? Please explain, with references where approriate. Blue Book form is preferred, but Red Book form is acceptable.

The most annoying thing though is that the righties posting here about black "racism" are really just looking for an issue to attack the leading Democrat,

Not me. I will probably vote for him. And his color has nothing to do with it.

the rest of your post is so stupid it isn't even worth responding to but I'll pick one part of it out...

The majority of black voters have long since proven their willingness to vote for white Democrats but, not surprisingly, they prefer a black Democrat. Preference yes, racism no.

you are so unobjective it is ridiculous. But then again, you are a hopeless liberal.

Kerrin,
It's not like I am enlightening anyone here but just look at this thread. How many posts now?
There's still a lot of "stuff" surrounding race in this country. You know there are folks who will never vote for a specific race, regardless. And they will never admit it either.

Blacks vote lockstep. This isn't about the religious right which you were lamely trying to deflect to.

Well Liz, you runny cunt sore you, you assert racist actions to blacks, so it is perfectly justifiable to bring up the original group of lockstep voters - the religious right - in order to point out that many different types of people mindlessly vote as groups.


If you cant see how that is relevant to the topic than you further show us youre incapable of even elementary school logic. As someone else pointed out, blue collar white people vote for Hillary lockstep. So Im not deflecting anything. Im schooling you on the bigger picture, but alas, your to fucking stupid to get a clue, so wallow in your pukish ignorance and the intelligent people will hopefully triumph in this election and save our Republic from mindless bigoted sheep like yourself.

Just want to confirm your logic Danni -

Whites that vote for Hillary = racist
Blacks that vote for Obama = ?

What are the 6% of Blacks that vote for Hillary? Are they racist (Uncle Toms)also?

It appears obvious that as soon as Obama became a viable candidate, the black vote overwhelmingly went to him. As others have pointed out, people tend to vote for their own ilk. Why deny it? Accept it and move on.

This election is going to set race relations back years.
Just like alcholism, until you acknowledge the problem you cannot begin to fix it. Racism exists on both sides (white/black/yellow/brown, Dem/Repub).

Are you saying that the GOP has done something to earn the Black vote? Please explain, with references where approriate. Blue Book form is preferred, but Red Book form is acceptable.

Ha! mOntecOre moves to the top of his class with that one.

Joe doesn't quite get why most black voters feel uncomfortable in the GOPher's "Big (White) Tent"?

O rly?

Tha's funny! ^_^

Shhhh, nobody tell him.

More funny that way.

Cagier too! ^_^

Be Well.

"It should be more about his socialism and proposed policies.

Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-05-08 02:00 PM"

Kerrin - Obama is not a socialist. His policies are less progressive than Hillary's (part of the reason I will happily vote for Hillary, if she somehow finagles the nomination). He is not "the most liberal Senator," or even one of the ten most liberal. You need to turn of Hannity and Rush, and stop spouting such nonsense.

Monte-

When I asked for Obama's stance on certain issues, I only asked it because I knew that most of his supporters probably don't even know what his plans are.

When I asked you what Democrats have done for blacks, it was a serious question. I can't think of anything other than lip-service and failed social programs that have done nothing to decrease crime and poverty in black communities. I have googled around and haven't found anything else. Since you made the assertion, I'd say it's your turn.

And yes, it is exam time - that's why I'm here, avoiding my books. Only two left.

Are you saying that the GOP has done something to earn the Black vote?

I hope not. the GOP has done nothing to earn anybody's vote.

Joe,
Good luck on your exams.

"Joe doesn't quite get why most black voters feel uncomfortable in the GOPher's "Big (White) Tent"?"

Your post is proof that you can't think of anything. Why post at all? I wonder that about you quite often.

Joe - given its well-documented history, in order for the GOP to earn the Black vote, they must do something for Blacks other than say that the housing programs, support of affirmative action, and other social programs promoted by Dems are ineffective. I think the onus is upon the GOP to woo the Black vote. Have they done anything to do so?

This election is going to set race relations back years.


What kind of twisted nonsense is this?

Electing a black president is going to cause race relations to suffer.

Ridiculous

"I hope not. the GOP has done nothing to earn anybody's vote.

Posted by eberly at 2008-05-08 02:12 PM"

Lol. Early nominee for Post of the Day.

Reagan(IQ) and his self-portraitures.... what a fine fellow!

But I guess if that's all ya got, then that's all ya got.

Brilliant plan by the Obamites, btw, to call blue-collar Dems racists if they don't vote for The Holy One.

That will bring in the needed votes for sure!

"This election is going to set race relations back years."

yeah, electing the first black president will really set back race relations. The truth....the right will TRY to use race to set things back but I have faith that we will rise above the vile and elect the person with the best ideas and coincidentally that is Obama. I don't think anyone would accuse John McBush of being a man of ideas.
He is a hopelessly ambitious man who has lost his claim to being a "Maverick" and is today just one more of the right wing clones.

Thanks EP.

Monte, I never said that Republicans have done much to earn the black vote - I'm saying that Democrats haven't in the first place. I think I've read that most blacks support Bush's education policies on paper but still aren't willing to support the GOP. I attribute this to all the talking democrats do about helping blacks but question why those voters don't look for results before believing the talk.

Yes, Corky, but not near as effective as saying that Blacks only vote for Obama because of his skin color (i.e., they're not smart enough to see that Hillary is actually a better candidate for them.... perhaps if they weren't Black, they could see that...), just like with Jesse Jackson.

Joe - perhaps it is just a matter of inertia. Even if it is, and I am not convinced of that, inertia is a reality.

Dems arent going to be the ones needing votes this election. They have the momentum against Bush. All thugs will suffer as a result.

-Jesse Jackson

You know, I caucused for Jesse in that same race Bubba mentioned.

Reading all that you do into Bubba making a historical reference is the very essence of pants-pissing.

Monte,
Blacks are incapable of voting any other way besides lockstep.

The Dems have paid them lipservice for decades. Has their lot in life improved or devolved?

Are they incapable of comprehending things are getting worse for them instead of better. How else do you explain it?

How do you explain 94% of the vote going to one and not the other if it's not locktapping? Are only 6% of them capable of not being locksteppers?

When Hill gets 94% of the Blue collar vote you queefs let me know.

I'll agree with that, Monte. I'd say it's that along with the lack of a desirable alternative.

and condi has done so much to earn the black vote - powell knew he was shamed and bowed out with the little bit of respect he had left.

SOUL SISTA !

Sucks to have done all that to no avail, huh Rob? You'd think putting a couple of Uncle Toms into high places would bring the rest of the Blacks around, but.... Poor GOP.

I did not say that "electing a black president" will set race relations back years. I said this election will. The republicans have not mentioned race in this primary. The subject has come from the democrats - look at the arguments on this board between Hillary and Obama supporters.

I was recently involved in a focus group on the election. When the democrat participants were asked who they were going to support - it was divided 100% by race. When one Hillary supporter asked an Obama supporter if they were voting for him just because he was black, the room erupted into a huge shouting match. These were people from the same party-all democrats.

If this is going on within the Democrat base, who supposedly are made up of the tolerant accepting sort, what does it say about the general? I really want to know.

By the way, as you already know, if elected we would only have a 1/2 black president. Just because he has darker skin, does not mean he is black.

Brilliant plan by the Obamites, btw, to call blue-collar Dems racists if they don't vote for The Holy One.

Actually, Spud's just calling them gullible, low-info rubes being played by Hillary's PT Barnum-esque Bullshit.

Besides ...are you seriously denying the spate of vagina-visioned (TM) Hill Shill's who accuse anyone who doesn't back their "Inevitable One" as being sexist?

That argument cuts both ways Corky.

Hill is playing to the blue collar base because they are quite simply the only people naive enuff to buy into her painfully obvious pandering and her "say anything" inauthentic bullshit.

Anyone with half a brain can see right through it and thus her only hope is too concentrate on the more numerous but less thoughtful blue collar set.

Shooting Crown Royal, changing accents, pandering with gas tax holiday proposals, all the while stealing unabashedly anything she thinks is working fer Obama and then acting like she originated it.

This election, moreso than most, is a real test of the gullibility of the American Electorate.

Regardless of whoever gets elected the country is still is serious trouble but out of the three candidates remaining only Obama has shown a resistance to the status quo mind-set that McCain and Hillary are such die-hard examples of.

If America truly wants another 4 more years of Corporate Corruption and erosion of America's moral standing in the world then America will reap wot she sows.

Between the MSM trying to lead them around by the nose as usual and Hillary and McCain bald faced lying to them by telling them wotever they think they wanna hear the low-info voter may very well chose against their own best interests once again. That sed, the idea that Obama wants to elevate the discussion to a higher level rather than play to the peanut gallery is a big plus not a negative.

Spud to Blue Collar Base:

Fuck electing someone you wanna go drinking with and try electing someone who has the brains and the guts to run the country the way it should be run.

Fer a change.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Yup, Joe. Now you should leave this insane asylum and go study.

When 94% of the religious right doesnt vote for the candidate their preachers are told to tell them to vote for you let me know..

"How do you explain 94% of the vote going to one and not the other if it's not locktapping? Are only 6% of them capable of not being locksteppers?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-05-08 02:31 PM"

Using your numbers, if Blacks are "incapable" of voting out of lockstep, how do you explain the 6%? Are they not really Black? Or were they born without the Incapable Gene, or what?

Between your semantics and Frito's racist pictures, Hillary must be cracking a secret smile.

I would never vote for Obama because he is a racist.
He hates white people. HIm and his wife want to steal your land and give it to Nigerian muslims

how do you explain the 6%?

Orphans raised by White or Asian parents.

Bush's America is already disliked and/or treated as a joke abroad; domestically our economy sucks, the dollar is in the toilet, oil prices are reaching for the stratosphere and Iraq is a quagmire. After the last 8 years of Bush and his rubberstampers that produced this wonderful situation does anybody seriously think that putting Republicans in any kind of position to have more than a nominal influence over this country's policies for the next 4 or 8 years is a good idea.

So let's say that Hillary at last bows to the inevitable and Obama becomes the Dem nominee. Then the Republicans, the media, the idiots who believe he's a Muslim, the misogynists who think his wife talks too much, the religious right, the racists, the swiftboaters and the people Hillary is using as divisively as Bush ever did all coalesce into a coalition that defeats Obama and "Bomb, bomb Iran" McCain becomes president. Does that help? Difficult to see how but we always have to remember that the idiot chimpster did win a second term so McBush could win a third.

This race is about color.....the color red......the color of the Treasury of the United States.
We need to change that to green.
Probably to do that we will have to tax some whites.
Those whites are now trying to make black the issue.

Americans will have to decide individually whether the lack of green in your wallet makes you realize you have more in common with blacks than you do with rich whites.

Orphans raised by White or Asian parents.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


sorry you lost so many of your peers to good families who liked nice kids Rob

Like Ness, I'll play along with Rob. It's a fair question (although presented with the obligatory Rob-the-A-hole-assholishness).

If black voters believe they finally have a qualified black candidate running for president, why shouldn't they be in lockstep for him? A historically oppressed group of people finally has a chance to see someone like them in the White House. Any other election, yeah, they'd be pulling the lever for Hillary. Maybe even 2012. But this time, hell, baby, you think they're gonna pass on this opportunity?

For you, Rob, you've been able to vote WHITE GUY every election since you turned 18. You can say "it's all about the issues" because in the past, whatever the issues, WHITE GUY always won.

Using your numbers, if Blacks are "incapable" of voting out of lockstep, how do you explain the 6%? Are they not really Black? Or were they born without the Incapable Gene, or what?


Between your semantics and Frito's racist pictures, Hillary must be cracking a secret smile.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 02:38 PM | Reply


Hilarious.
I'm playing games of semantics and you're the tool harping about the 6%?

Is this better Munte: 94% of lockstepping blacks are incapable of being any other way.

I wouldn't want the 6% ruin it for the other 94%.

By the way, tell me, have things gotten better or worse for blacks ever since they've voted lockstep Dems?

"I would never vote for Obama because he is a racist.

He hates white people. HIm and his wife want to steal your land and give it to Nigerian muslims

Posted by timbci at 2008-05-08 02:41 PM"

TIMBCI has to be a Dem, posing as an R to make the GOP look stupid. There is no fucking way she is this stupid for real. Good spoof, TIMB!

HIm and his wife want to steal your land and give it to Nigerian muslims

Posted by timbci


NBD... I'll just take it back in a year with those Nigerians die from the AIDS

How many people have you cast your vote for for President who were not white males, Rob and 101? None?!? Fucking locksteppers!

I think Cbob hit the nail on the head:

"If black voters believe they finally have a qualified black candidate running for president, why shouldn't they be in lockstep for him? A historically oppressed group of people finally has a chance to see someone like them in the White House. Any other election, yeah, they'd be pulling the lever for Hillary. Maybe even 2012. But this time, hell, baby, you think they're gonna pass on this opportunity?"

Doesn't that make more sense than saying Blacks are "incapable" of voting in their best interest?

"By the way, tell me, have things gotten better or worse for blacks ever since they've voted lockstep Dems?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-05-08 02:44 PM"

You'd think with all those efforts of the GOP to pass legislation to help Blacks, that things would have gotten better. Wonder what gives?

Let's say its November 10th right now, all the results are in. Obama loses in a landslid to McCain and we learn 94% of Whites voted for McCain. Wouldn't you be calling that racism?

I've never used racism to explanation an election result. The vote's the vote. If you believe in democracy, you have to accept that free people will vote for reasons you don't like.

Montecore why would you vote for a black man that hates you because of the color of your skin. He is more racist than Al Sharpton

Doesn't that make more sense than saying Blacks are "incapable" of voting in their best interest?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 02:47 PM | Reply

It says:
They're still locksteppers and that it is about race contrary to what the Ombamites say.

If Dems are in the black persons best interests then why are things so dismal for them after decades of voting Dem?

Spud: "Joe doesn't quite get why most black voters feel uncomfortable in the GOPher's "Big (White) Tent"?"

Joe: Your post is proof that you can't think of anything.

Nope, Spud knows exactly why black tend to vote Dem rather than GOPher but thinks it's funny that you don't (or won't admit it).

Why post at all?

Some people knit. Spud tried it and FAILed big time.

So now Spud is just blog. Is safer!

I wonder that about you quite often.

Wonder no more.

Back to the books.

Try Loving v. Virginia.

Note which party enacted the most Human Rights legislation.

Google "Dixiecrat" and "Southern Strategy"

Google "caging scandal"

Note who was especially disenfranchised by the GOPhers in that one.

Collect a bunch of boxtops and send 'em in to collect Clue#1.

Try and get the whole set.

Be Well.

I think Cbob hit the nail on the head:

He did... and that's all I've been saying... he's getting 94% of the Black vote because he's black...

318 comments to get you guys to fucking admit it... man is that frustrating.

How many people have you cast your vote for for President who were not white males, Rob and 101?

Zero, but I would have voted for damn near anyone over Kerry or Gore (hence two votes for Bush). Its not my fault Colin Powell doesn't want to be Pres... I'd vote for that Jig in a second...

You'd think with all those efforts of the GOP to pass legislation to help Blacks, that things would have gotten better. Wonder what gives?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 02:49 PM | Reply


But they aren't voting for the GOP Monte, they're lockstepping for the Dems.
How has that faired?

I understand your reluctance to answer the question, but that doesn't change the fact that you aren't.

I've never used racism to explanation an election result. The vote's the vote. If you believe in democracy, you have to accept that free people will vote for reasons you don't like.

Posted by rcade


Would you at least think it... a little... come on 94% of white people vote against Obama... you wouldn't think race had to do with it.

When has 94% of this country ever voted for the same thing recently?

Rob - that does not mean Blacks are "incapable" of voting for someone who is not Black. (I know that "incapable" is not your word, it's Chairborne's).

Chairborne: why should a Black vote for Hillary over Obama? I see their policies as being pretty much the same, so given this why is it not okay for them to vote for a Black person without haivng to be called "incapable"?

He did... and that's all I've been saying... he's getting 94% of the Black vote because he's black...

318 comments to get you guys to fucking admit it... man is that frustrating.



Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-08 02:51 PM | Reply


There's a nail that was hit on the head.

Chairborne: why should a Black vote for Hillary over Obama? I see their policies as being pretty much the same, so given this why is it not okay for them to vote for a Black person without haivng to be called "incapable"?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 02:56 PM | Reply

Between your semantics and Frito's racist pictures, Hillary must be cracking a secret smile.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 02:38 PM | Reply



You sure seem hung up on the word "incapable" while crying about "semantics".


You know exactly what the point is. You also know you're avoiding answering my direct questions.

"But they aren't voting for the GOP Monte, they're lockstepping for the Dems.
How has that faired?

I understand your reluctance to answer the question, but that doesn't change the fact that you aren't.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-05-08 02:55 PM"

I did answer that question. The GOP, with its history of racism, needs to do something to earn the vote away from the Dems. They haven't, so they don't get the vote. If you want that to change, then encourage the GOP to change its policies, don't denigrate Blacks for not voting for a party that has done nothing positive for them.

Saying Blacks are "incapable" is racist, 101. Simple as that. You made your bed, now lie in it without whining.

101, you are definitely off your game. The old 101 would never have letthis get posted without comment: "Hillary must be cracking a secret smile."

Nothing positive. Hmmm. The first civil rights bill EVER voted on from Congress came from the Eisenhower Admin but the Dems voted against it.

I did answer that question. The GOP, with its history of racism, needs to do something to earn the vote away from the Dems. They haven't, so they don't get the vote. If you want that to change, then encourage the GOP to change its policies, don't denigrate Blacks for not voting for a party that has done nothing positive for them.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-05-08 03:02 PM | Reply


You didn't answer the question stupid.
You're telling me what the republicans haven't done. I'm asking you how they've faired while lockstep voting for the Dems.
Again, I understand your reluctance to answer the question.

The hypersensitivity in regards to race is staggering. Have blacks shown themselves to be capable of a vote other than Dem? And let's keep in mind that pointing out some uber-minority doesn't make your case.

Saying blacks are incapable of doing anything other than lockstep voting is a fact. Saying they're incapable of acting civilized or graduating high school is racist.

When has 94% of this country ever voted for the same thing recently?

Last election. 100% of Americans voted for a white guy.

If Dems are in the black persons best interests then why are things so dismal for them after decades of voting Dem? - Liz Claiborne

Gee - I guess their lives would have been so much better had they voted for Bush, because things were so bad for people in the 1990s.

Oh wait, no, Bush the reason the middle class is being annihilated, Liz your chasing your tail again.

Bark like a dog and roll over..

When are the Dems going to give the blacks slave reparations. It is the only way most blacks can improve their credit score

Do you often quote somebody and then reply with something that has nothing to do with what you quoted?

You're not too bright are you?

OK this has devolved to far -
later stupid fucks and obama supporters!

"Last election. 100% of Americans voted for a white guy.

Posted by tigerbalm at 2008-05-08 03:13 PM"

And that's the way it oughtta be every election.

TIMBCI, Frito, Rob & 101

"The first civil rights bill EVER voted on from Congress came from the Eisenhower Admin but the Dems voted against it."

But fortunately, in 1960 those Dems left the party and joined the Republicans. Been there ever since, they made the "southern strategy" work for every Rethug since Nixon.
BTW, you ought to read some of the words of Eisenhower, he would not be a Republican today.

"You made your bed, now lie in it without whining."

101 has no problem lying in his own filth, in fact, he's proud of it.

BTW, you ought to read some of the words of Eisenhower, he would not be a Republican today.

I don't think Roosevelt and Truman would have been a democrats today.

"Saying blacks are incapable of doing anything other than lockstep voting is a fact. Saying they're incapable of acting civilized or graduating high school is racist."

Actually both are racist. When you say they are "incapable" of voting other than Dem it is racist. If you said something like they are "unlikely" to vote other than Dem it wouldn't be. All of them are quite "capable" of voting other than Dem, most choose not to because they are smart enough to know that the Republican Party works against the interests of working class folks and the majority are working class folks. Many of the working class REpublicans are those same Dixiecrats who left the Dems in 1960 or their kids. The Republican Party has used their racism to cause them to vote against their own interests for decades.

"I don't think Roosevelt and Truman would have been a democrats today."

But then you are full of crap. Anyone stupid enough to think FDR would be a REpublican is ridiculous, Truman would insist upon going after profiteers so the rest of the Republicans wouldn't like him too much. He also integrated the military, the Dixiecratic part of the Republican Party would probably lynch him.

"The first civil rights bill EVER voted on from Congress came from the Eisenhower Admin..."

Uh, no, that would be during the Andrew Johnson Administration.

"The first civil rights bill EVER voted on from Congress came from the Eisenhower Admin..."

Uh, no, that would be during the Andrew Johnson Administration.

When you are saying they are "incapable" of passing standardized tests not geared towards their race, it is racist. When you are saying they are "incapable" of getting into college without quotas, it is racist. When you are saying they are "incapable" of getting a job without affirmative action, it is racist.

The Republican's have more blacks in high offices of the WH administration than any other WH in history.
The only black SC justice is Republican.
Republicans have many strong black candidates at Congress-level (senate & house) over the last few election cycles

Of course, the problem is once blacks leave the Democrat party they cease to become black. And, the MSM refuses to report (positively) on them.
Look at Rice, as soon as she worked for a Rep admin it became acceptable to draw cartoons of her, in national newspapers, as a big lipped spear chucker (yes she had the spear in her hand).
And as for "here comes the raping black man" slander, the last time that was used was by the Dems against Thomas.

The facts are these:
Democrats were strongly against the Civil War.
Democrats were strongly against freeing the black slaves.
Republicans ended slavery in the US.
Republican congresses passed the 1950s/60s civil rights laws.
Affirmative Action (a.k.a. positive discrimination, the keystone of Democrat's social programs) has ruined any achievements made by individual blacks because you are never sure if someone rose to their position in the organization based on merit or preferences.
I have heard the word "nigger" far far more often uttered by Democrats than Republicans.

Under Democrat administrations national & locally, black drug use, jail time, and illegitimacy (all chronic poverty factors) have increased. The Democrats "Great Society" turned out to be a "Great (Racist) Society".

Democrats are vile bigoted people.
They see everything through the prism of race.

Democrats feel that they own black people and when a member of the black community up and leaves the Democrat's plantation, Democrats become threated and start referring to that person as a "house nigger". "Denunciation of black conservatives has become more shrill - and increasingly bitter - as their numbers have grown and they have acquired a voice."
Every time a black votes Democrat they are picking cotton for their masters.

Democrats glory in their soft racism and feel that they are better because of it.
The Democrats literally believe that it is their "white man's burden" to give and give to the poor "victim class".
They de-humanize and infantilize blacks by never allowing them to accomplish things for themselves.

EVILDAVE channels Rush Limbaugh but unfortunately is hopelessly out of date. I don't hear any Dem, especially NOT Obama promising welfare, quotas, or anything else. I hear them saying we have to fight back against the big corporations, deal with the wealthy avoidance of taxation, deal with Bush's war, etc.
I think attempts to turn this into a racial thing are going to fail, America is just too angry with Republicans this time to be diverted by this type of tactic.

More States Won

2. More Pledged Delegates

3. More Of The Popular vote

4. More Younger Voters

5. More New Voters (Old and Young)

6. More Independent Voters ( Which Is Key)

7. More Cross Over Voters

8. Higher National Election Polling

9. Has Gained More Super Delegates Since Super Tuesday (91 vs 13)

10. Has Been Endorsed By The Boss And Jay Z



-Sarge

POSTED BY SARGE AT 2008-05-08 10:31 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yeah sarge but you forget that if you go by the electoral votes the states had in 1902 then Hillary is the clear winner. I mean, lets be fair here. Also, white god wants Hillary. You know he does.

C'mon, answer the question!

KKKorky is really becoming unhinged. She had to know this day was coming.

"If we used Republican rules, I'd be the nominee already."

**HIllary Rhodam Clinton

This is no joke, she actually said that today.

I'd like to see her pitch that to the supers.

"Hey, I wish we were republicans. Vote for me!"

Last election. 100% of Americans voted for a white guy.

Posted by tigerbalm


Last election I believe roughly 120 million Americans voted... so your statement is as faulty as the condoms your father bought...

How do you think those people employed by those "big" corporations are going to feel when their job is eliminated or their compensation is decreased due to the "fighting back" done by the government - you know the guy in the mailroom, the file room clerk. "Big" corporations are not just made up of CEOs. And do you really think the CEOs would accept less compensation, or just fire a few "working class" employees?

The tax burden on small businesses is much more cumbersom and affects more "working class" Americans. Who is talking about these corporate taxes?

Blue collar whites who will vote for Hillary but not Obama are simply closet racists unless they are willing to openly admit their racism.
Danni

DANNI They are not Siamese twins on policy. Don't you think people could find a difference in their views on foreign or domestic policies and experience ?

"If we used Republican rules, I'd be the nominee already."

If the sun refused to shine
I don't mind, I don't mind.
If the mountains fell in the sea
Let it be, it ain't me. . .
Now if six turned out to be nine
I don't mind, I don't mind. . .
Dig, 'cause I got my own world to live through

Monte,
You still haven't answered the questions that were asked of you. Are you incapable of answering or is it simply you don't want to answer?

94% of Montecores are incapable of answering.

tigerbalm: Last election. 100% of Americans voted for a white guy.

Wobblybits: Last election I believe roughly 120 million Americans voted... so your statement is as faulty as the condoms your father bought...

Okay, let's ammend that shall we?

In the entirety of America's history everyone who has voted for the Dem or GOP nominee has voted for a White Man.

Of course the same thing can be said for Candian Prime Ministers but at least we had a female PM already, albeit briefly.

Be Well.

Canadians hate black people. Look no further than the national disgrace Ben Johnson.

""I don't think Roosevelt and Truman would have been a democrats today."

But then you are full of crap. Anyone stupid enough to think FDR would be a REpublican is ridiculous...

Posted by danni at 2008-05-08 03:28 PM"

He doesn't know there was more than one Roosevelt, and that most people think of FDR before Teddy.

"DANNI They are not Siamese twins on policy. Don't you think people could find a difference in their views on foreign or domestic policies and experience ?

Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-05-08 04:07 PM"

Please tell us about all the major policy difference between these two, Kerrin.

101 - here is your answer: it has fared better for them than it would have if they voted for GOP candidates.

That ought to help him in the rest of these races and in the fall, ya think?

Posted by Corky

he'll do better than a pathological liar who cannot separate reality from fiction like coming under sniper fire in Bosnia where there were many witnesses and photographic evidence to the contrary.

That ought to help him in the rest of these races and in the fall, ya think?

Posted by Corky

he'll do better than a pathological liar who cannot separate reality from fiction like coming under sniper fire in Bosnia where there were many witnesses and photographic evidence to the contrary.

She's still Black... the top Diplomat of America is a Black woman put there by a Republican

Spud uses the "horticulture" in a sentence.

"You can lead a whore ta culture but ya can't make her think"

You are that whore, Wobbles.

Spud's posts are that culture.

Neo-Condi the Neo-Con-Artist achieved near total FAIL as "America's Top Diplomat".

She hasn't a single accomplishment to her name and a host of failures.

Christ on a cracker!

She makes John "I am the Walrus" Bolton look good in direct comparison and that's nearly impossible to do.

"Bob Geldoff"?

Worked tirelessly to achieve debt relief to Africa and then learned wot a "Vulture Fund" was.

Bobster got played.

Be Well.

PS: Fuck Time magazine.

Monte,
That's simply weak.

Let's ditch this thread. It may be the volume of posts, or perhaps my computer, but this thread takes for ever to load and forever to print a comment. Frankly, it's not much fun waiting for it just to talk shit.

101 - agreed, on both points.