After the murder of Officer Stephen Liczbinski, and now this, I wouldn't be surprised if Philadelphia erupts into riots pretty soon... things have been really bad here for a year or so... the murder of this officer just made things a lot worse.

Wait, I didn't know that police officers risk their lives every day.

Do they know this?

If they didn't then I could see how the death of a fellow officer could make them feel justified in beating some ass to get over it.

Thanks Rob. Great Link. Reads: We're sorry. There are no stories currently available for this section.

Do you even know what my point was?

Where did it happen, Rob?

It's interesting that you're concerned about riots. I was surprised when I lived there how different Philly was from its reputation -- I lived in an area my colleagues called "the edge of civilization" (near Broad & South), and felt perfectly safe and incredibly lucky to be paying so little for a nice apt in such a great location.

Where would the riots be? North Philly? I wonder sometimes if people lose track of just how big Philly is, and how insulated most of the population can be from the violence that dominates the news there.

These guys should be grateful they weren't in NYC. The cops there would have shot each of them 50 times and then claimed they had WMD.

Broad and South is the "edge of civilization"? I don't think so, maybe if you go up near Temple but that's a perfectly nice neighborhood.

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When I click on it, it shows a video of about 15-20 officers kicking the hell out of 3 men.

Your point as I read it, was that since officers know the risk they shouldn't act out when one of their own is killed. I say that's fucking retarded... Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.

Thanks Rob. Great Link. Reads: We're sorry. There are no stories currently available for this section

When I click on it, it shows a video of about 15-20 officers kicking the hell out of 3 men.

Your point as I read it, was that since officers know the risk they shouldn't act out when one of their own is killed. I say that's fucking retarded... Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.

It's interesting that you're concerned about riots

That's just my guess because of how bad the city has been for the last year or so, and the murder of this police officer really made things worse.

There are a lot of neighborhoods off of broad street down here by the Navy Yard that I don't go in on good days... I wouldn't go anywhere near the city in general if any violence erupted, because of how diverse it is... its one of those cities where literally one wrong turn and your F'ed.

Rob, my biggest concern here would be that these three are acquitted of their crimes due to "police brutality".

Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.


Then maybe they shouldn't be in jobs with guns and authority?

It would add to the story line if they were White cops beating some Black guys so it would perfectly fit into the lib template that all crime in cities is caused by White cops.

Then maybe they shouldn't be in jobs with guns and authority?

Posted by northguy3


Maybe Black people should stop shooting them?

treat them like a king, rodney king

Rob, my biggest concern here would be that these three are acquitted of their crimes due to "police brutality".

Posted by Reagan58

Seriously... Just because they got their asses kicked doesn't mean the reason they were being chased didn't happen...

If these three didn't break the law and then try to run from the cops there wouldn't have been so many chasing them. Cause and effect.

The problem with the police is that blue (line) mafia. Misguided and blind loyalty is a bad thing. Their #1 loyalty is supposed to be to the citizens and the Constitution.

i checked out the video, what i saw were three suspects attempting to flee, resisting arrest and then assaulting the officers fists and feet with their faces.

you know, if they were good boys this wouldnt have happenend in the first place.

Yes, but you and I both know that it just takes one juror that's had his/her ass kicked by a Philly cop in the past to fuck up a jury decision and buy into some defense attorney's BS. I've spent dnough time in Philly recently to have developed a very healthy respect (and some fear) of the cops there. Just like I have for Chicago cops.

Broad and South is the "edge of civilization"? I don't think so, maybe if you go up near Temple but that's a perfectly nice neighborhood. -- Reagan

Hell yes! That was my point -- my suburban colleagues who had been working in Philly for years buy into the bad rap the city gets. Kept my rent low.

I'd love to live within a block or so of the Italian Market. Have some 2nd floor loft space aroudn there. Only big problem then is that I'd get way too fat from having easy access to a slice from Lorenzo's.

Maybe Black people should stop shooting them?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 11:32 AM | Reply


Even if that's true, it's racist.
-Obama Supporters

Ahhhh the city of Brotherly Love

Ahhhh the city of Brotherly Love

Even if that's true, it's racist.
-Obama Supporters


My father-in-law recently read an article (I believe it was in the WSJ) where the journalist sampled about 50 unified college students who had all actively participated in campaigning for Obama.

The group was aboot 50/50 white/black. The journalist first asked the group - directed toward the whites - how many of you feel you fostered a true friendship through this with a black. Almost every white rose their hand.

When the same question was asked of the blacks present, not a single one of them rose their hand.

It's a fascinating comparison of cultural differences - My take is that blacks have a stauncher cultural criteria when defining friendship. I don't believe said criteria is racist, just 'stauncher'.

Those 3 Obama supporters sure did get stomped...Just like Barry in the general.

Lawless behavior is never a good thing. The actions of these officers is going to be followed by more lawlessness. Disciplinary action is called for.

Maybe Black people should stop shooting them?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Sorry Rob, I didn't see any cops getting shot in the video. br />
But you're right, every black I know has shot a cop at least once. Condi Rice used to hunt them like Dick Cheney hunts birds-tie them down and shoot them.

Someone please tell me why the whites didn't riot when a police officer got shot or is that just a black thing?

Thanks Rob. Great Link. Reads: We're sorry. There are no stories currently available for this section

When I click on it, it shows a video of about 15-20 officers kicking the hell out of 3 men.
Your point as I read it, was that since officers know the risk they shouldn't act out when one of their own is killed. I say that's fucking retarded... Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 11:23 AM

Your "letting off a little steam" argument fails miserably. We train these people to control a situation, not incite rioting. This video doesn't help their reputations one fucking bit - "command failure" barely describes what this idiocy represents.

I've just watched a number of perfectly useful officers punting their careers over the "revocable retirement end zone". It's not like they are defending themselves in this video whatsoever. I especially find it strange how as the three suspects are being yanked from the escalade there is an officer bashing in the windows on the far side. If these guys are not in control, who is?

Imo, whomever was in charge on this stint must fall, at minimum.

It's a fascinating comparison of cultural differences - My take is that blacks have a stauncher cultural criteria when defining friendship. I don't believe said criteria is racist, just 'stauncher'.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-07 12:01 PM | Reply |

Hm. The video makes those cops look like fucking gang members. Hard to say what the motivation was, but nothing short of an armed attack would justify such a response.

And Jeff, my take is that whites in the u.s. need a forced reason or circumstances to befriend blacks, but the reverse is not true. Whites can hate blacks to the point of not interacting with them their whole lives without much impact on said life. Blacks don't have that option, therefore they don't need a little political rally to befriend or get to know whites, they need it to have any chance at a decent life.

It's hard to tell from above whether the guys actually did anything to warrant being kicked and beaten like that. Either way, I'd say that once you have subdued the guy, the kicking and beating has to stop. I'm not saying the cops don't have a right to be angry, but it's not part of their job to take out their frustrations and emotions on criminals.

"""Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.""""

Freak out, fine. Attack someone? Not so cool.

Why "black people"? The vast majority of black people are good citizens more likely to be victimized by the hoodlums than white people are

Because the problems we're having in Philly aren't caused by White people... sorry if that upsets some people, or if people are gonna say I'm a racist but those are the facts on the ground here in Philly.

Oh, skip it.

It's a fascinating comparison of cultural differences - My take is that blacks have a stauncher cultural criteria when defining friendship.

White folks often think they've made some incredible gesture by giving black folks what should have been theirs all along -- and so believe they deserve black approval/friendship.

Also, a lot of black folks spend their entire lives getting along with white people they don't particularly like because they have to to keep their jobs, etc. White folks are rarely in the reverse situation. Easy for the white kids to interpret this as approval or friendship.

Freak out, fine. Attack someone? Not so cool.

Posted by panchovilla


One of their own was just shot and killed, one suspect is still on the loose... these 3 men committed a crime and tried to run from the cops... I'd rather see three hoodlums get their asses kicked then one cop shot...

"White folks often think they've made some incredible gesture by giving black folks what should have been theirs all along -- and so believe they deserve black approval/friendship."

I've never met a single white person who thinks they deserve anything from black people. What are you basing this information on?

Because the problems we're having in Philly aren't caused by White people.. -- Rob

The problems, as you define them, aren't caused by women either, are they?

But you filter things through race. When you've got a hammer...

"I'd rather see three hoodlums get their asses kicked then one cop shot..."

Just because you'd rather see one thing happen than another doesn't mean that it's right for the cops to do it.

The problems, as you define them, aren't caused by women either, are they?

Mothers of the black guys doing all the shootings?

Just because you'd rather see one thing happen than another doesn't mean that it's right for the cops to do it.

Posted by JOE


Maybe, maybe not... we don't know what they did that lead to the chase and the ass kicking. We do know that a cop was just murdered, and that these 3 were resisting arrest... I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

tell you what, you show me an article how these three were UPenn Rhodes Scholars who were just pulled over and beaten by the cops and I'll make a donation to the NAACP.

Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.

There are a lot of neighborhoods off of broad street down here by the Navy Yard that I don't go in on good days.

Imo, whomever was in charge on this stint must fall, at minimum.

Why? Didn't they order their cheesesteaks in english?

I can understand the cops frustration and wanting to kick the shit out of anyone that would kill one of their own, but DAMN! Can't they wait until the helicopter (with CAMERAS) are not around?

"Freak out, fine. Attack someone? Not so cool.
Posted by panchovilla"

One of their own was just shot and killed, one suspect is still on the loose... these 3 men committed a crime and tried to run from the cops... I'd rather see three hoodlums get their asses kicked then one cop shot...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 12:31 PM

And precisely how is this footage helping their cause? Imo, this is damaging their reputations and endangering the lives of all other cops who now have to deal with this added stigma.

it's all the tude not on video that's the problem

We do know that a cop was just murdered, and that these 3 were resisting arrest

Rob, how do you "know" this-the cop was shot two days earlier and there is no mention of fleeing-only a "traffic stop".
Or do you just assume white cops never lie and all blacks are all guilty of something? I didn't see anybody resisting arrest, either, unless you define trying to prevent your face being kicked in as resisting arrest.

I'm a skinny ass white dude and I'm not scared to walk any block in this city.

Whatever dude... you're so full of shit it isn't even funny... either that or you are fucking insane. Philly almost had a 1:1 ratio of murders to days of the year last year, to act like you would just walk around anywhere as a "skinny ass white dude" is either bullshit or suicidal.

I'd rather see three hoodlums get their asses kicked then one cop shot

tell you what, you show me an article how these three were UPenn Rhodes Scholars who were just pulled over and beaten by the cops and I'll make a donation to the NAACP.

One minute you could care less about whatever it is the cops did to these 3 guys and the next you seem willing to accept the reality of the situation if the victims have a certain educational merit?

If you can show me that these were just 3 law abiding citizens... pillars of the community excelling in academics and extra curricular activities, and not the fucking hoodlum gang members we all know they are I'll donate money to the NAACP... that's how positive I am that they deserved this beat down.

Yea 3 hoodlums getting their ass kicked by 12 uniformed hoodlums who carry badges

3 thugs get their asses kicked and arrested.

0 cops hurt/killed

Good day in Philly...

"we don't know what they did that lead to the chase and the ass kicking."

Like I said - as soon as the people were subdued, the beating should have stopped. Criminals are not there for cops to take out their frustration and aggression on, despite the fact that the cops have every right to be angry. It is not their job to let that anger out in a negative way no matter how natural it may be to do so.

OBAMA'S FAULT!!!! (tm)

Rob, how do you "know" this-the cop was shot two days earlier and there is no mention of fleeing-only a "traffic stop".

Right... several patrol cars, at least 12 cops... that's typical of a "traffic stop."

Yea 3 hoodlums getting their ass kicked by 12 uniformed hoodlums who carry badges
3 thugs get their asses kicked and arrested.
0 cops hurt/killed
Good day in Philly...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 12:47 PM

That entirely depends upon what you mean by "hurt/killed".

As I stated, I've just watched a video of a number of officers potentially throwing their careers away.

Also, the community at large might not take as joyous an outlook on this type of police interaction.

I sure am glad all this recent 'blue-state' violence (chicago, philadelphia, new york, detroit) didn't happen in a 'red-state', otherwise we have to listen to notherners endlessly whining about how backward the south is.

It's hard to realize that the rust belt is dying and incidents like this are only the last death spasms. All the northern rust-belt cities should look to detroit to see your future - dark, poor and desolate and violent and corrupt.

Anyone who's been to Chicago knows that its' economy is booming, despite recent increases in violence in concentrated areas that have always been desolate shitholes. Any comparison to detroit is laughable.

As I stated, I've just watched a video of a number of officers potentially throwing their careers away.

If any cops lose their jobs over this then I'll fucking riot (well probably not literally, but I'd be fucking pissed off).... that would be bullshit in its purest form. Given the current situation in Philly, we need every cop we can get, plus these 3 deserved it.

One of their own was just shot and killed, one suspect is still on the loose... these 3 men committed a crime and tried to run from the cops... I'd rather see three hoodlums get their asses kicked then one cop shot...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 12:31 PM | Reply |

Beating innocent citizens or killing cops? It's not a forced choice like you make it out to be. They are both wrong, period. I'm guessing you're trolling a bit here, you can no more condone police brutality than condone killing cops.

"""If you can show me that these were just 3 law abiding citizens... pillars of the community excelling in academics and extra curricular activities, """

By the standards you've just set, you would qualify for a free fucking smackdown, as would I. Pillar of society I'm not, excelling in academics? Did when I had to, but cruised through. Extra curricular activities ? a lot, but most likely half of them questionable in virtue or legality.

"""Given the current situation in Philly, we need every cop we can get, plus these 3 deserved it."""

OK, definitely trolling.

Right... several patrol cars, at least 12 cops... that's typical of a "traffic stop."

They haven't been charged with neither a traffic violation, nor failure to yield. The charges are conspiracy (conspiracy of what isn't disclosed), assault, and endangerment.

Like the NYC shooting, if the cop's allegations turn out to be true--these men had just left the scene of a shooting--then they got what was coming to 'em. But if these guys got pulled over without just cause, got beaten on pure "suspicion", and are found innocent of trumped-up charges carrying no evidence, the cops must loose their jobs and be treated by the Court just like any other violent bully.

By the standards you've just set, you would qualify for a free fucking smackdown, as would I.

I wasn't setting standards for who the cops can beat, I'm saying that these three are in all liklihood street thug gang members and deserved every punch and kick... I was issuing a challenge to anyone to prove me wrong.

They are both wrong, period

Beating innocent civilians is wrong, sure... in this case I'm willing to give the cops the benefit of the doubt that these 3 aren't innocent, in which case I say kick away officers.

Rob seems to think that cops exist to deliver punishment. No matter how guilty someone is, no matter how much the scumbags might "deserve it," they should not be beaten by the police. Period. If you think they deserve it, then go beat them yourself and see what happens.

So they were involved in a shooting...

So are the cops saying a fourth guy was in the car and ran away before the recording we see took place? Or one of the three men in custody is the shooter?

If the shooter is one of the three seen in the video this should get cleared up soon. Check 'em for gun powder, if one test positive...

beatdown deserved

No matter how guilty someone is, no matter how much the scumbags might "deserve it," they should not be beaten by the police. Period.

Horseshit... they're fleeing the scene of a shooting, the suspected shooter is in the car, over the past weekend one of their fellow officers was shot a killed, and you expect them to knock on the window and say, "Hello fellow citizens, if you wouldn't mind stepping out of the vehicle we would greatly appreciate it, but before you do allow us to call your lawyers and the ACLU for you, and if you could do so without shooting us in the face we would very much appreciate it."

its easy to second guess the cops in this situation from the safety of your desk isn't it?

No matter how guilty someone is, no matter how much the scumbags might "deserve it," they should not be beaten by the police. Period.

I agree. They should have just shot them.

So are the cops saying a fourth guy was in the car and ran away before the recording we see took place? Or one of the three men in custody is the shooter?

The way I read it, it sounds like the one they now believe is the shooter got away before they were able to get to the car...

But how were they to know it was the shooter that fled? How do they know he didn't leave his weapon in the car? How do they know the remaining 3 weren't armed?

These thugs already fired a weapon before this chase began, so the cops took the force they decided was necessary to take the men into custody and ensured none of them would be hurt.

"you expect them to knock on the window and say, "Hello fellow citizens, if you wouldn't mind stepping out of the vehicle we would greatly appreciate it, but before you do allow us to call your lawyers and the ACLU for you, and if you could do so without shooting us in the face we would very much appreciate it."

No, I don't expect that. I only think that suspects should be beaten if they are resisting arrest, and that the beating should stop once the person is subdued.

You are in favor of police venting their aggression on the suspects because of the nature of the crime they allegedly committed. I am not.

The good news is that black people have harder heads than white people so the punches and kicks weren't all that damaging.
This is a nothing story.

"They should have just shot them."

There you go. Why have a trial or anything? Shoot anyone who you think has killed a cop. Why have courts at all? Just let the cops figure everything out.

I can see why i like "STIRSUMUP". I AGREE, no more beating, if there running from the cops, let them start shooting , maybe the police car chase incidents will go down.

Once again...another sad ending. None of the criminal negroes were shot to death. I'm beyond depressed. NOT enough violent force was used.

It is not a cop's job to deliver punishment. It is a cop's job to bring the suspect into custody and detain them. The only beating that would require would be the amount necessary to subdue the person. Any further punching and kicking is unnecessary venting of aggression.

the nature of the crime they allegedly committed.

Which was a shooting... no way to know they aren't armed in the car...

Here's a thought, if those guys didn't want their asses kicked don't shoot at people... nah... that's cultural bias... its the Po-leese fault...

I didn't see anybody resisting arrest, either, unless you define trying to prevent your face being kicked in as resisting arrest.

Posted by northguy3

I have never had a cop even threaten me during a trafic stop. Do you suppose it's because I don't try to pull any shit on them?

WTF over.

"if those guys didn't want their asses kicked don't shoot at people"

1. You have no idea whether these people shot anyone.

2. Even if they have, it is not the cops' job to shoot them back, or punch them, or kick them. It is the cops' job to bring them into custody and detain them. That may involve a certain amount of beating, but not anything beyond that required to get the person into handcuffs.

It is not a cops' job to punish you, no matter how much you want to think that these cops had a right to punch anyone.

punishment. It is a cop's job to bring the suspect into custody and detain them

Which they did...

Next time maybe they'll think twice about shooting at people and then running from the cops.

They're lucky they weren't shot.

Damn, I hate to agree with Rob on ANYTHING but if DFiant does not have some fear of walking in some areas of Philly then that's just ignorant or the liquor talking. There's plenty of places, for instance, out near the main postal depot that I'd not be caught dead (well, maybe dead).

Just because there is a known risk doesn't mean people aren't going to freak out when one of their own is gunned down.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at


If a police officer in an urban setting is going to "freak out" when a fellow officer is shot, they should consider a different career.

Apologizing for facists is so en vogue right now.

It is not a cops' job to punish you

I've been pulled over a few times in my life...

Never have I been punched, kicked or beaten in any way... never have I even felt disrespected...

Maybe its because I've never shot at anyone or ran from them... oh wait, no, I'm sure its just cuz I'm white.

Again Rob - detaining someone may require some force, but not the force shown here, which appeared to be more than that necessary to subdue the suspect. You are just happy to see a supposed cop-killer get his ass kicked. As am I. But I won't go far enough as to say that the cops were right to do it, or that it is part of their job description to beat people up.

sometimes cops go a little to far

I never said anything was happening because these people were black. I'm fully aware that the people were beat because they ran from the cops and supposedly shot another one. That doesn't mean they should be beaten by the cops when they are already on the ground and detained. They might deserve it, but it isn't the cops' job to dish it out.

MSNBC just reported that the police were actually helping the 3 Obama voters. Apparently they were covered in army ants and the police were simply knocking the ants off of them.

I think we should wait for some clarity on those 3 Obama guys?

Joe, do you know what happened before the camera was turned on? Were you there?

Have you ever been pulled over by a cop? If so, did you do anything to piss him off?

I've been pulled over a few times in my life...

Turn on the dome light, roll down the window and keep your hands on the wheel. Make the cops feel safe and things go a lot smoother.

Whatever dude... you're so full of shit it isn't even funny... either that or you are fucking insane. Philly almost had a 1:1 ratio of murders to days of the year last year, to act like you would just walk around anywhere as a "skinny ass white dude" is either bullshit or suicidal.

Right... several patrol cars, at least 12 cops... that's typical of a "traffic stop."

So they were involved in a shooting...

beatdown deserved.

"do you know what happened before the camera was turned on?"

No. What I do know is that they had the guy out of the car and on the ground, and continued to punch and kick him. He could have murdered 20 cops before the camera was turned on - cops beating him after he was subdued would still not be justified. I am not saying the person doesn't deserve to be beaten. I am saying it is not the cops' job to do it.

"Have you ever been pulled over by a cop? If so, did you do anything to piss him off?"

Yes, I've been pulled over, no, I don't do things to piss cops off. Precisely because I know that half of them get off on kicking the crap out of people. That doesn't mean that it's part of their job to do so.

By the way you never answered the question of do you live in the suburbs?

I'm just across the river in Jersey, but that doesn't mean anything. See Reagan's post above callin you out too. Anyone who knows anything about Philly knows your, "I'm not scared of anyone" attitude is plain bullshit.

Does that mean I sprint to the other side of Market when I see a Black man approaching? No, but it does mean that at certain times of the day I will most definitley stick to the main streets of Philly and stay in lighted well populated areas when walking. And you do too... trying to act like little billy badass on a blog is just laughable DFiant...

Again Rob - detaining someone may require some force, but not the force shown here

How do you know? The people in this car were just involved in a shooting... Try to put yourself in the mindset of an officer in that situation.

I didn't say it was in the police job desription joe. Is it the job of the person being pulled over to give the cops a reason to get tough? What do you have to do to piss them off enough for there to be 12 poliece at your trafic stop?

Damn, I hate to agree with Rob on ANYTHING but if DFiant does not have some fear of walking in some areas of Philly then that's just ignorant or the liquor talking

This is an occasion Reagan, where DFiant basically is making a statement equivolent to telling us there is no such thing as gravity. Its just so stupid you had no choice but to agree with me... don't make it a habbit though :)

Because the problems we're having in Philly aren't caused by White people... sorry if that upsets some people, or if people are gonna say I'm a racist but those are the facts on the ground here in Philly.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



except in so much as the white power structure has contributed to the situation where poor blacks are massively armed without jobs, education, family structure, with drugs rampant (often supplied to lily white suburbanites)

but you dont think that you and your military industrial complex hasnt contributed to this culture of violence.

"How do you know? The people in this car were just involved in a shooting... Try to put yourself in the mindset of an officer in that situation."

I already have. Put your gun in his face and have your partners rip him out of the car as hard as they can and throw him on the ground. No further punching and kicking is necessary when the guy is laying on his stomach. What further damage is the guy going to do at that point?

So are the cops saying a fourth guy was in the car and ran away before the recording we see took place? Or one of the three men in custody is the shooter?

The way I read it, it sounds like the one they now believe is the shooter got away before they were able to get to the car...

But how were they to know it was the shooter that fled? How do they know he didn't leave his weapon in the car? How do they know the remaining 3 weren't armed?

These thugs already fired a weapon before this chase began, so the cops took the force they decided was necessary to take the men into custody and ensured none of them would be hurt.




If this were true why werent these 20 cops chasing the guy who jumped from the car?

"Is it the job of the person being pulled over to give the cops a reason to get tough? What do you have to do to piss them off enough for there to be 12 poliece at your trafic stop?"

I don't know. What does any of that have to do with cops kicking and punching someone when they are already on the ground?

If this were true why werent these 20 cops chasing the guy who jumped from the car?

Posted by truthhurts


How do you know some patrol cars didn't go after him? The video only shows the very end of the chase and the arresting of the suspects.

Brian Hall is the third person named as one of the shooting suspects beaten on the video taken by our news helicopter.

Hall was arraigned on $300,000 bail Tuesday night and had no prior arrests.

A second man, Peter Hopkins, was arraigned on charges of attempted murder, aggravated asssault, and gun charges. Hopkins has prior arrests and his bail was set at $1 million.

The third suspect, Dwayne Dyches, was finally arraigned Wednesday morning after he was taken from a local hospital.

He is charged with three counts of attempted murder, assault and gun charges and is being held on $1.5 million bail.



these three guys APPEAR to be scumbags

Its a shame that the police's actions will make it harder to convict them

This is an occasion Reagan, where DFiant basically is making a statement equivolent to telling us there is no such thing as gravity. Its just so stupid you had no choice but to agree with me... don't make it a habbit though :)

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-07 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag


Aw Geez, now we're gonna hear from the "gravity, like evolution is just a theory" crowd.


Habbit? Is that a compulsive behavior for Tolkien creatures?

gee the city mayor is the only one who has any power over urban culture? didnt realize how powerful they were.

maybe if all them whites in the suburbs would allow for some serious gun control regulations in the city, than there would be less gun violence.

What does any of that have to do with cops kicking and punching someone when they are already on the ground?

Posted by JOE


You can't tell what they were doing when they were on the ground in the video.

Again, these douchebags were just involved in a shooting, there is no way for the officers to know if they are armed, they tried getting away from them in a car... Better these three get the shit kicked out of them then another cop dies, and three children are left fatherless like Stephen Liczbinski's.

Its a shame that the police's actions will make it harder to convict them


Posted by truthhurts


Thanks to bleeding hearts like you and Joe...

Fill that jury with guys like me and they'll be in jail before dinner and every cop given a medal.

seems to me what happened is that these 3 alledged scumbags were involved in a shooting nearby (of course we have no details on that, we can only go by the report) but it appears the the guys were fleeing from a shooting.

cops obviously under strain from recent cop killing in the city go too far in beating the guys.

Cops should be trained, etc on how to deal with this stress, it comes with the job so to speak. They absolutely should NOT be the punishers, but they are human.

Unfortunately for the cops it will ruin their careers, it will possibly let these 3 guys get away with something or benefit financially.

I know for a fact I wouldnt want to be a cop.

sad situation all around.

maybe if all them whites in the suburbs would allow for some serious gun control regulations in the city, than there would be less gun violence.


Posted by truthhurts


Yes I'm sure these three guys, or the three over the weekend who killed Liczbinski would respect stricter gun regulations... I'm sure Howard Cain (The bag of shit who killed the officer, and thankfully is dead now) would have simply turned in his assault rifle without thinking twice.

Unfortunately for the cops it will ruin their careers, it will possibly let these 3 guys get away with something or benefit financially.

Again, if that happens it is because of people like you.

Thanks to bleeding hearts like you and Joe...

Fill that jury with guys like me and they'll be in jail before dinner and every cop given a medal.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


fortunately justice doesnt work that way.

These cops were under stress. Does that justify their actions? That is your premise?

What of the premise of a kid raised in poverty without education, surrounded by drugs and violence, with no hope, doesnt that create a stress that could justify their actions? there but for the grace of god, go you or I.

The 3 guys actions were unacceptable by society and so are the cops.

Yes I'm sure these three guys, or the three over the weekend who killed Liczbinski would respect stricter gun regulations... I'm sure Howard Cain (The bag of shit who killed the officer, and thankfully is dead now) would have simply turned in his assault rifle without thinking twice.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



yes cause if assault rifles were outlawed and not available then he could have shot the cop with an imaginary gun.

Repeat after me: Flood the streets with guns, it makes us safer. Lather rinse repeat

"You can't tell what they were doing when they were on the ground in the video."

Right Rob. A guy laying on the ground on his stomach surrounded by five cops really poses a threat. It's pathetic that you're willing to go to such illogical lengths to defend the actions of a bunch of emotional cops. All you have to do is admit that once the guy is subdued, he doesn't deserve to be beaten anymore. Whether or not he was subdued in the video will come out later. Just admit that cops shouldn't beat people after they have been detained and we can stop talking.

These cops were under stress. Does that justify their actions?

Stress does not justify their actions...

3 thugs shooting at people and then fleeing the scene in a car being chased by police does justify their actions.

Unfortunately for the cops it will ruin their careers, it will possibly let these 3 guys get away with something or benefit financially.

Again, if that happens it is because of people like you.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



no it happens because we dont live in a police state. I am sure you would be happy to live in one, but some of us prefer freedom.

no it happens because we dont live in a police state.

3 guys who just tried to kill a person (or persons) getting beat after running from the cops is NOT grounds for the officers at the scene to lose their jobs... the only reason that could even be remotely possible is because of liberals like you who always have to treat the police as the bad guys.

Just so we have your positions truth and joe and the rest of the defenders of these thugs... you think the officers in this video should be fired?

I wish the movie theaters would hire these cops, so that I won't have to sit through half the audience screaming "Don' go in dere! Oh no he di-int!" at the screen again.

You know rob, you're posting as if you believe in the saying: guilty until proven innocent. As far as I know, the legal system in your country states the contrary: innocent until proven guilty. Seems you've got more in common with the French than you thought, or would like to admit.

Rob-

As I said in the beginning, the video doesn't provide a good enough view to say whether the guy was detained or not when they continued to beat him. All I have said is that if they did beat the guy after he was already under their control, then what they did was wrong. End of story.

You know rob, you're posting as if you believe in the saying: guilty until proven innocent.

All I'm saying is that after a shooting, and the suspects fleeing the scene probably armed, the police should be more then allowed to take such action to bring the suspects into custody, and more importantly, ensure that none of them are hurt in the process.

Now they get a trial by a jury... I'm not saying send them off to jail for life right away... they're still innocent until proven guilty, just the cops had enough cause to take the action they did.

If the cops thought I shot at someone and put their lights on to pull me over, I'd pull over... unless I really shot at someone, in which case I'd run, like these guys ran.

"Just so we have your positions truth and joe and the rest of the defenders of these thugs... you think the officers in this video should be fired?"

What's with the hyperbole, Rob, don't have an actual point to make?

No one is defending the suspects or questioning the arrest. However, beating a suspect in custody SHOULD be grounds for an officer to be dismissed as it is the epitome of non-professionalism. As the only individuals who can legally end a citizens life, police officers should be held to the highest standards. These officers failed to meet those standards and should not be holding the positions of power they have proven themselves unfit to have.

Since before the days of Frank Rizzo, Philly cops have been a big avoid, especially if you're black. But, on their behalf, Philly is a very tough town for cops. If you have a beat in South Philly, you _gotta_ be in good with the Mafia guys. In Northeast Philly, it's now the Russian/Jewish mob. In West Philly and North Philly, esp. the Temple U area, even cops are very jumpy at night and on Saturdays. It used to be that, if you knew the proper etiquette, you could wander anywhere during daytime. We used to play stickball with black guys who lived in my area. And who were gang members even at that age (grade school). Nowdays, seems like everyone is edgy.

I don't know. What does any of that have to do with cops kicking and punching someone when they are already on the ground?

Posted by JOE

If the cops were all worked up bu the actions of the people in the car, it is easy to see why they didn't stop soon enough to suit you.

Have you ever been in a life threatning situation and been all worked up?

Sniper

Being "all worked up" is no excuse. If that's all there is, they should be fired. Cops who can't control themselves need to be off the street.

Damn, I hate to agree with Rob on ANYTHING but if DFiant does not have some fear of walking in some areas of Philly then that's just ignorant or the liquor talking. There's plenty of places, for instance, out near the main postal depot that I'd not be caught dead (well, maybe dead).

"""All I'm saying is that after a shooting, """

I can understand the added stress of the event, but unfortunately, unless one of these guys was implicated with the murder of the cop, it bears no relevance.

"""and the suspects fleeing the scene probably armed"""

As you stated: probably...hypothetically. In any case, with the amount of fucking guns circulating in your country, even law-abiding citizens in are armed, so that also is a bit of a moot point.

"""just the cops had enough cause to take the action they did."""

I disagree. At this point, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because the video is not explicit, nor is the info available conclusive. Their actions might have been justified or not. If justified, fine. If not, can their sorry asses or prosecute them.

Not that one, I'm talking about the distribution facility way out at the edge of the badlands. You can see it from the Surekill as you head to the airport. Really ratty part of town.

"If the cops were all worked up bu the actions of the people in the car, it is easy to see why they didn't stop soon enough to suit you."

It is a cop's job to handle tough situations in a cool and calm manner, and not to let the stress get them "all worked up" to the point of beating someone after they have already been subdued. Yes, I have been "worked up" before. I'm not a cop.

Not to say that there aren't plenty of places that I feel perfectly safe day or night in Philly. We walk river to river nearly every time we get to town, which has been a lot more often in the last coupla years. We've even talked about moving back(back for mi esposa anyway).

What's with the hyperbole, Rob, don't have an actual point to make?

...

These officers failed to meet those standards and should not be holding the positions of power they have proven themselves unfit to have.

Posted by jpw

How do you start your post saying its hyperbole for me to ask if people are saying they should be fired, and then end your post saying they should be fired?

WTF?

Hmmm, yea I'm not sure where that is. If it's heading towards the airport it sounds like it's around Island Ave-ish area getting towards Upper Darby. Not sure if that's correct or not though.

Philly is the breeding capital of the world with racism! one f$@&#* up town, lots of ignorance or shall I say tons of ignorance! blacks dominate the town whites have the wagons in a circle holed up in port roachmon. just a big nightmare!

It baffles me that fellow "small government" republicans tune in to support shit like this.

"How do you start your post saying its hyperbole for me to ask if people are saying they should be fired, and then end your post saying they should be fired?"

"Just so we have your positions truth and joe and the rest of the defenders of these thugs"

That's where you used hyperbole, not asking if they should be fired. NO one is defending the suspects or their actions, they just don't condone the police officer's reaction either.

IF these guys robbed a bank and shot a police officer, they should be immediately tortured, ass raped then killed to set an example that you don't fucking rob banks, point guns at innocent people, then shoot police officers.

Kuma

yes cause if assault rifles were outlawed and not available then he could have shot the cop with an imaginary gun.

Posted by truthhurts

Heroin is outlawed here in the US so I guess everyone is shooting up with soda water and getting high. You have some real sound logic there tru.

The left-out element: Does Philly have civilian review of police, or are these things handled hush-hush by "internal affairs"? My beloved ACLU, object of ridicule by the DR's fascists, is ever pushing for commissions to investigate these things IN PUBLIC. My take is that simply knowing they exist will make cops think twice. herm

"IF these guys robbed a bank and shot a police officer, they should be immediately tortured, ass raped then killed to set an example that you don't fucking rob banks, point guns at innocent people, then shoot police officers."

Let him who is without sin rape the first ass. herm

Where they Black? I see another Rodney King in the making if they were. LOL!

Next time they should just release the dogs.

Philly is a crappy safe city for illegals anyway!

If there was any justice, those cops would all be arrested and put in jail for assault. They're pigs, they don't solve problems, they are the problem. I don't feel any worse when one of the pigs gets shot than I do when a drug dealer gets shot.

The next time I see a officer killed in the line of duty with all the honors I will think of this video an believe that cop maybe got what he deserved. Right Wing America loves this shit yea they must have done something why else would the cops go crazy on them.

The reason is because most Cops are fucking Pigs an I await the time that African Americans arm themselves an seek there own justice. Huey Newton and the Black Panther Party of the 1960 were right Black Americans cannot get a fair shake in the justice system that White America has set up for them.

Remember the Nazi's in the death camps never had more than a few hundred men in those camps, an yet they killed hundred of thousands in each of those camps.

African Americans have tried Dr. Kings way maybe now it time to find a new Malcolm X or Huey Newton an start arming yourselves if you every expect to find Justice in White America. Make no mistake the Whites having been arming themselves for centuries, when will you every learn, If you don't fight you will never be free.

One of the greatest American Thomas Jefferson, said that for American to be truly free they may need to have a Revolution every 20 years, we are fucking long overdue!!!! REVOLUTION, where the fuck is our Fidel Castro or CHE?????

"The next time I see a officer killed in the line of duty with all the honors I will think of this video an believe that cop maybe got what he deserved."
--CELISARY

So, a good cop who gets killed got what he deserves because some assholes in Philly acted out of line?

My, you're an idiot.

This is beautiful - Johnson and Pinche now have competition - from Joesmith and Celisary. May the good times roll, I'm buying popcorn.

Cel .I think blk panthers got started by FBI

"Mosques in Philly are refusing to bury the Muslim man that killed the cop>"

Man, they'll show HIM a thing or three! No 72 virgins for this dude. I'm sure he's devastated. herm

"LIVE OR DIE".....Listen hear you fucking asshole, I am old enough to remember this shit going on for the past 40 years in Philly. Remember Mayor Rizzo, GOOGLE is you dumb fuck you may learn something. Only because you are so fucking stupid you really believe that this is a rare occurance. For every time one of these incidents are caught on camera hundreds an hundreds go one with out any video around...This shit goes on every day in this Country EVERY FUCKING DAY, AN Black America will need to fight back in any way possible to get Justice, even it means arming themselves, something white americans have been doing for 2 hundred years.......

Meds, celery, meds.

Fuck you Goatman when the Revolution starts I'm coming for you!!!!!!

Like I said - as soon as the people were subdued, the beating should have stopped. Criminals are not there for cops to take out their frustration and aggression on, despite the fact that the cops have every right to be angry. It is not their job to let that anger out in a negative way no matter how natural it may be to do so.

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-07 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thread should have ended here. Nice post, Joe.

By an By, even if these three young men were guilty of killing the police office who dies a week ago, this does not give these Officers the right to take out vengence on them, they arrest them an they are tried for Murder, what about that concept dont you fuck understand???

There's a problem with the police delivering a healthy, god-loving beating to thugs?