I thought crack cocaine dulled the pain? OTOH, the wealthy can afford Patron

"Rich people---God bless us!"
HRH HRC

The real poor can't afford crack, Goat. What's OTOH? herm

Herm

OTHO = on the other hand

Thank you, Chris. I had an Uncle Otto who died in WW2. herm

"Uncle Otto"? Sounds German. He died in WWII? Who was he fighting for?

This has to be the stupidest study done in a long time. What the hell does income have to do with feeling pain?

"What the hell does income have to do with feeling pain?"

*clears throat* - BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDICATION ... good god!

You rich fuck heads have no idea what the real world is like. MOST families can't afford 7 dollars on a bottle of motrin because the 7 dollars has to go to rent, a bill, or food.

Talk about being out of touch of reality... holy Christ...

oh and this article is a big fuckin duh and a total waste of tax payer dollars.

This has to be the stupidest study done in a long time. What the hell does income have to do with feeling pain?


It doesn't anything to do with "feeling" pain, doofus.

It has to do with poor people not being able to afford the treatment or medication to relieve the pain.


The real poor can't afford crack, Goat. What's OTOH? herm


Uhm. Yeah. If you don't know what you're talking about, perhaps you shouldn't make a comment. If you've never lived in or seen abject poverty, then you don't know what kind of things it can lead you to do.

I'm one generation removed from it. I have family who still live in it. Not because they choose to but because drugs and alcohol are prevalent in their lives. They aren't a special case, either.

Life is like a shit sandwich, the more bread ya got the less shit ya gotta taste.

Apparently, people with more money also feel less pain.

On Fark this one would come with an "Obvious" tag.

Be Well.

They can afford crack and herion but they can't buy a fucking Tylenol. Kiss my hip pocket.

Wow, this isn't a complex one guys.

Broke people don't buy good legal drugs. They'll struggle along with ibuprofen if they can afford it that week. Rather than getting the perkoset they need in order for them to get sluggish enough that their muscles will mend, they will struggle through it because they can't afford the drugs.

I know when I'm tight on cash I will buy meds I need, but things like allergy medicine are optional that month.

I'm one generation removed from it. I have family who still live in it. Not because they choose to but because drugs and alcohol are prevalent in their lives.

I also have family who live in poverty who also struggle with alcohol and drugs.

I can empathize with those addictions but they are still choices.

They can afford crack and herion but they can't buy a fucking Tylenol.

Actually, if you replace Tylenol with oxycodone, I would agree with you. There are a lot of people who wind up hooked on oxycodone due to an injury.

For many of the working-poor who get injured, who often lack insurance and financial resources, they put off going to the doctor. The problem gets very bad, so they eventually go in, and get prescribed OxyContin or something similar.

Because they can't afford decent follow up care, nor physical therapy or surgery, it's very easy for them to get hooked on pain killers. Once hooked, many wind up switching to other drugs with a much lower street price. In my neck of the woods (Huntington, WV) this is often heroine, crack, and more recently meth.

In all honesty, Rush Limbaugh is a classic example of this. I'm sure he never in a million years thought he'd become a junkie. If he didn't have his vast wealth, he would have wound up buying crack on the street instead of OC.

Why don't these poor mother fuckers get a job and get rich like me, or they do us a favor and die or OD. If they come begging in my neighborhood, we'll blow their heads clean off. We hate poor people out here because they just complain about their pain.

Thom the compassionate conservative

if most people realized their pain was self inflicted, they'd also realize how much easier it is to take and overcome. three aspirin and call your best friend in the morning.

honestly, i don't know why people whine so much while the rest of the world is looking on a wondering why we're the most drug addicted country in the WORLD!

get out of the pharm's back pocket - where were your forefathers a hundred years ago?

toughen up america, or go the way of cowards.

Nanc-

re: "three aspirin and call your best friend in the morning.", as your answer to suffering,

As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me

Who was that?

FWThom-
Satire died on this site in November of 2004. I'm sorry you didn't receive the notice. It was a lovely funeral.

"toughen up america, or go the way of cowards."

Another bonnified Murrican Christian heard from. If ya ain't got the do-re-mi, bro, suck it up and try Jeebus. herm

I can empathize with those addictions but they are still choices.

Posted by eberly

So if someone was molested as a child and then becomes a drug addict as an adult to ease the pain, that's just a choice? I guess molesting kids isn't that bad then. When the victim becomes an adult, they can just choose to get over it.

"Who was that?'

Nobody nanc would know.

So if someone was molested as a child and then becomes a drug addict as an adult to ease the pain, that's just a choice? I guess molesting kids isn't that bad then. When the victim becomes an adult, they can just choose to get over it.

Posted by TFDNihilist

You can make all the excuses for addiction you want but they are still excuses. What the hell did your great grandfather do for his pain? Did he whine that the government should take care of him?

People do have to take responsibility for their lives.

Don't tell me that a heroin habit or a coke habit is cheeper than going to the drug store and buying some pain killers.

*clears throat* - BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDICATION ... good god!


i make less than 30k a year and i have healthcare. 0 deductibles, 10/20 for RX and dental too. what i dont have is a cell phone, every cable channel available, a new car and a plasma tv in every room. we have people come to us(insurance agency) everyday and buy health insurance, for some it is 100-200 a month, some its 400.00 for their family, the point is, they control their spending to pay for it. so how many of the uninsured have cellphones, cable/satellite, a car payment, go out to eat several times aweek, etc instead of healthcare? for most it is a choice they make not an unfortunate reality, i see it everyday.

So if someone was molested as a child and then becomes a drug addict as an adult to ease the pain, that's just a choice? I guess molesting kids isn't that bad then. When the victim becomes an adult, they can just choose to get over it.

Posted by TFDNihilist


that is just stupid. they can choose as others with the same past do, get help. geez, as long as you make excuses for a lack of responsibility...

Scooter,


You are such a dildo.


It is downright evil to expect ordinary folk to prioritize their own spending. I mean, come on! It's not as if we remove consequence from one's decisions that they'll make increasingly irresponsible decisions.

You are an evil fuck-stain.

Please die.


Sincerely,

The Whacko-Left

where were your forefathers a hundred years ago?

What the hell did your great grandfather do for his pain?

They had legal access to the most heavily prescribed pain reliever on the planet. It was free--with a little labor--to them and provided by either Mother Nature or a Creator (depending upon your disposition).

Then W.R. Hurst, DuPont, and religious zealots took hold of our country. It has all been a downhill plunge since.

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

Then W.R. Hurst, DuPont, and religious zealots took hold of our country

Actually it was the doctors who first insisted that medications be prescribed. They were losing out to the pharmacists who stocked patent remedies. Later the prohibitionists got into the act, and fears of drug addiction were exploited.

Banning hemp did protect the petrochemical industry from competition but it's always greed coupled with the Do Gooders that screw things up.

Socialistas,

Now, imagine that there is only one price for government health-care aspirin and limited or no competition to make it....Imagine that the Billarycare plan requires aspirin to be free, because poor people need pain relief....Now, imagine that, essentially you will be buying aspirin for every American, whether or not they need it, from a non-competitive asprin supply market, and you end up at $2 per pill, and everybody buying it, whether or not they need it, because its "free"....Yep...this'll save us money!

They had legal access to the most heavily prescribed pain reliever on the planet. It was free--with a little labor--

Posted by r8rh8r

Please tell me what that was.

I know that early settlers chewed the bark of a willow twig for aspirn and some smoked wackie tobacie but I didn't know either were prescribed pain relievers.

Help me out with some medical knoledge here r8r.

***** Now, imagine that there is only one price for government health-care aspirin and limited or no competition to make it....Imagine that the Billarycare plan requires aspirin to be free, because poor people need pain relief....Now, imagine that, essentially you will be buying aspirin for every American, whether or not they need it, from a non-competitive asprin supply market, and you end up at $2 per pill, and everybody buying it, whether or not they need it, because its "free"....Yep...this'll save us money!

Posted by jonryker ******

......so that's why many people on fixed incomes buy their prescriptions from Canada where the same medicines are half-priced and still profitable for the med/chem industry.......

......its retards like you, who don't let the facts get in the way of their ideology, that allow Americans to be victimized & gouged by monopolistic practices........you fucking tool.........

Excerpt from above link:

Marijuana was America's number-one analgesic for 60 years before the rediscovery of aspirin around 1900. From 1842 to 1900, cannabis made up half of all medicine sold, with virtually no fear of its high.

The 1839 report on the uses of cannabis by Dr. W.B. O'Shaugnessy, one of the most respected members of the Royal Academy of Science, was just as important to mid-19th century Western medicine as the discoveries of antibiotics (like penicillin and Terramycin) were to mid-20th century medicine.

In fact, the Committee on Cannabis Indica for the Ohio State Medical Society concluded that "High Biblical commentators [scholars]" believe "that the gall and vinegar, or myrrhed wine, offered to our Saviour immediately before his crucifixion was, in all probability, a preparation of Indian hemp."

(Transcripts, Ohio State Medical Society 15th annual meeting, June 12-14, 1860, pg. 75-100.)

From 1850 to 1937, the U. S. Pharmacopoeia listed cannabis as the primary medicine for more than 100 separate illnesses or diseases.

During all this time (pre-1000 B.C. to 1940s A.D.), researchers, doctors and drug manufacturers (Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Squibb, etc.) had no idea what the active ingredients of cannabis were until Dr. Mechoulam discovered THC in 1964.

"What the hell did your great grandfather do for his pain?"

The real question: has civilization evolved any since then. But the right doesn't believe in evolution, does it? herrm

Opiates..ladum..

"Imagine that the Billarycare plan requires aspirin to be free, because poor people need pain relief....Now, imagine that, essentially you will be buying aspirin for every American, whether or not they need it."

The Great Sociaphobe does more imagining than John Lennon postulating a world without war. He sez let 'em suck it up. herm

Sure thing. Start here

Posted by r8rh8r

Do you have any idea what hemp was used for before we had plastic?

I still want to know what the worlds best pain killer was.

If it realy is hemp, why do the poor folks have trouble with pain. They are spending most of their money on dope.

Do you have any idea what hemp was used for before we had plastic?

Henry Ford built a prototype using hemp fiber instead of fiberglass for the body panels. While it was used for clothing, sails and rope, cotton and manila were easier to process at that time, in part because of labor costs.

Best pain killer has always been opium.

But marijuana does have analgesic properties, and one analog of THC has been isolated that provides that without intoxication. The danger of course is that every time we take a complex chemical and isolate the analgesic factor it leads to abuse.

Best example is coca leaf which was taken as a tea or chewed like tobacco. No one ever got addicted until they started processing it into cocaine.

"What the hell does income have to do with feeling pain?"
*clears throat* - BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE MEDICATION ... good god!
You rich fuck heads have no idea what the real world is like. MOST families can't afford 7 dollars on a bottle of motrin because the 7 dollars has to go to rent, a bill, or food.
Talk about being out of touch of reality... holy Christ...
oh and this article is a big fuckin duh and a total waste of tax payer dollars.


Hey there mister,

Have you always gotten your $300 check back after taxes? Try paying your share! I was taxed over $58,000 last year and now, with the marcket in shambles and the dollar being weak, I have the undesirable
task of choosing between a pretty good bottle of wine at $25 or a nice bottle of wine at $50.

The world is real for many people who don't think like you.

Best Wishes,

Well Off

Skizziks, Herm,

The reason the Canadian system is cheap is because the American drug companies are healthy and must compete with each other on price. This is true BECAUSE the American system is not socialized.

Were this to change...competition for making any new drugs would drop, as would profits, because the government health care plan would be so far behind the innovation curve, that no innovation would occur. This already has occurred in Canada. However, prices are still low because there is not a monopoly on aspirin production and all the development work is done on it, keeping the costs down.

If the American system goes socialized, the incentive to invent will vaporize, because the makers of the food pyramid will remain stuck in the dark ages, and will be too slow to approve new treatments or even seek them, as old methods grow roots in government bureaucracies (see public education and VA healthcare system).

Since US drug companies are profitable because of innovation, those without government-approved innovation will drop out of business. This lessens competition and innovation, which hurts in the short-term because there are fewer companies making aspirin, which drives prices up, and in the long term, because our rate of innovation will plummet, as it will be driven by government bureaucrats, not smart people.

In the end, we end up with Canada's system without the advantage of price breaks gained from letting the US innovate....in short, an out-dated, monolithic, expensive, ineffective system....Kinda like Canada's, but expensive for even the basic stuff.....Kinda like public education and the VA system.....

There's evidence right in front of you folks for how this will work...you just aren't bright enough to see it.....

When I was a young lad, my father was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident. Now we were very lower middle class before the accident, after, we were cast into a whole new level of low class. Poverty would have been a step up for us.

And our new home (after being evicted from our present home while my father lay unconsious)was full of other low class individuals (the kind that vote for hillary now). I never knew we were poor, because we were like everybody else.

To have a nice car and clothes and be able to buy good drugs (legal and illegal) was not something we dreamed about because it was foolish and not part of the here and now. But I was a hard worker and I read everything I could get my hands on and I pulled myself out of that shit-hole and pulled my family with me. We were the only family to make it out. I am very well fixed now, because I earned it.

As far as pain goes, I never felt pain in those days, it wasn't productive and it didn't fit into the plan of getting the hell out of there. The welfare folks and the ones that were content with their lot whined and complained all the time. The ones that are still alive have now passed the tradition on to their children, who now whine and complain and never do anything to get out.

Post of the day, lip.

"What the hell did your great grandfather do for his pain?"

Since he was a horse-and-buggy country physician, I imagine that he took a little nip of laudanum and carried on with his rounds.

Do you have any idea what hemp was used for before we had plastic?

I still want to know what the worlds best pain killer was.

I didn't say "best" I said most prescribed. I assume pain is something best dealt with on a case to case basis. Some people respond to one drug and not to others. To each is own, right?

Anyway, cannabis was the most heavily prescribed medication in America until its ban in the 1930's. The AMA were not consulted and didn't even know of the ban until the legislation was passed. The ignorant and propagandists (like you) called it "marijuana" to trick people into thinking the medicine being banned was actually something else!

It was one of those things like Jekyll Island and The Patriot Act that could only pass if kept hidden from the public and voted on in secret in the middle of the night.


What else was hemp used for? Is this a set-up question or something? I could make a list that exceeds the character limit imposed by rcade and you will just come back with some other unrelated query. So what's the point?

It's a bunch of stuff. None of which will change your mind. You are convinced the government, the church, and chemical manufactures know what is best and is looking out for you.

"... the American system is not socialized."

Most all of Ryker's posts start with someone or something, anyone or anything that takes the public interest into consideration, being labeled "socialist." I've long suggested that Ryker, calling Nazis and fascists socialist, really lacks even a clue as to what socialism really is.

But that's not the issue in this post. The issue is that Ryker seems blissfully unconscious of a phenomenon in the great Murrican capitalist system called "collusion." The free market won't work if oil companies, drug manufacturers and even cut rate hamburgers peddlers get together to fix prices. Yes, we have laws against that. And Ryker surely is first in line to denounce those laws as socialistic. herm

"If the American system goes socialized, the incentive to invent will vaporize..."

So many wild, broad, swinging-from-the-heels untruths to rebut. If "the American system" ever is regulated to benefit all people, we'll have as much incentive to invent as ever. Indeed, we might even restore a mystique tha our medical system has long abandoned, that you heal (or alleviate pain, since that seems to be the topic here) for the sake of helping your fellow human. Yeah, I DO realize that's a little idealistic. herm

"Most all of Ryker's posts start with someone or something, anyone or anything that takes the public interest into consideration, being labeled "socialist." I've long suggested that Ryker, calling Nazis and fascists socialist, really lacks even a clue as to what socialism really is."

It's even worse than that. JonRyker thinks his erectile dysfunction and male pattern baldness are also the result of socialism.

"I am very well fixed now, because I earned it. "

And that sounds suspiciously like "I got mine ..." herm

no sir, it means that i didn't get a handout or a government affirmative action or my education payed for. Ironically, I had to work when i went to college and i made too much money (stocking groceries, no less) to get the government goodies, plus i wasn't in a 'protected' minority.