They didn't huh? I seem to remember a large number of Shiites wanting us to go their the first time we started lobbing missiles from the Gulf....

Like Powell famously told Bush. If you break it, it's yours.

hey dipshit give us our 4000 soldiers lives back

I don't recall them being invited.

I hope you get exactly what you should. Just as W. should get what he deserves.

Me Keith? Did I say something untruthful that you would wish something so horrible on me?

hey dipshit give us our 4000 soldiers lives back

Do you really understand how successful the Iraq intervention has been, Only 4000 KIA.
~the right

The ones who supported this Illegal Invasion need to sell their shit and go over there and fix their God damned mess. It's not the whole United States fault. So get on it. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY

Sincerely
Larry Mohr

We don't owe them Shi$!

Back in the 40's we would have nuked them. In the 70's we would have turned our left cheek. In the 80's Ron would have met with them. The 90's we bombed them. In the 2010's we will probably send millions in aid and pay for their health care and college.

-The soft version 2010.O of the US.

We took out Saddam. That ain't enough? Let's yank our troops out now!

Ungrateful pigs! After all we've done to them!

The ones who supported this Illegal Invasion need to sell their shit and go over there and fix their God damned mess. It's not the whole United States fault. So get on it. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY

Sincerely
Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

>>>>
Larry, you are always on point.
Good post.
I agree totally.

It's all part of that wonderful middle-eastern philosophy, Is the fucking you get worth the fucking you get?

Now that they are relatively free to plot their own destiny and pay us for our services, they try to welch on it. everybody always knew this was about oil and now it's time to pay up.

If they don't pay up, there will be more war, because exxon and shell really really want those oil fields.

Don't be surprised in the next 10 20 30 Years some Iraqi coming over to the United States and "Retaliates" against us. Don't say I NEVER warned You. Karma is a bitch sometimes and sometimes She bites HARD

Larry Mohr

Where is that neutron bomb when you need one. That's the one that kills all the people in Iraq and Iran but leaves the oil. That's what we owe them!

SHHHH!!! Hey you dumb fucks, yea you dumb fucks on the right this is Democracy, this is what your ignorant President accomplished sending us into a War of choice. 4,000 plus dead man an women, how do you fucks spin this?

600 Billion dollars an counting, do you think we could have done something with that money besides sending it down a shithole? We talk about the 4,000 lives that have been wasted how many more people in this Country or the World for that matter could we have saved from medical problems or hunger with that much money.

The Right always speaks of Government waste, what has been the most wasteful use of American Lives an treasury than this diasaster in Iraq? An to think they never had all this trouble until America come over uninvited. How do you fucks sleep at night knowing that your support of this President has cause this Country so much pain?

"O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done."

Al-Quran, Al-Hujurat 49:6

Which of the righteous ascertain this truth in American government when the news was brought by the government about the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Were there no righteous or were they too afraid and worried about their own positions to speak up?

The common citizen will find when evil is perpetrated in their name and the voices of the righteous are sufficiently drowned out to less than a peep, not by the governement, but by their own fellow citizenry and their own public media, then they will understand that the time of their nation's reckoning has begun. This has been the pattern of peoples and countries and civilizations of milleniums past and will continue to be so as we pass into the future, despite all that men do to manipulate their fellows in an attempt to mask their evil intentions.

Abdul Basit, the head of Iraq's Supreme Board of Audit wouldn't even be in a power of position right now if it wasn't for the invasion in 2003. He's got some nerve to say that.

Mikewarrior-
And how dare he? Everyone knows that 9/11 was an Iraqi plot, and that Iraq posed an immediate threat to the US. It certainly had nothing to do with oil, and everything to to with self-defense, or spreading freedom and democracy, or whatever...

Troops out now.

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Posted by Bani

That forecast is very possibly correct. During the severe inflation of the Weimer Republic (1914-1923), the stock market soared. The catch is that it didn't keep up with inflation. Then all of a sudden investors realized they were losing and the market collapsed. My history book calls it "black Thursday" (Dec. 1, 1921).

close down gitmo. turnover all prisoners to country they were captured in with US acting only as complainent. let chips fall where they may with the only caveat being if they are not tried according to that countrys' laws the US will cancel all monetary aid for one year for each
for each prisoner. doing this could very well
settle "America has hardly even begun to repay its debt to Iraq,"

I ENJOY GETTING UP ON SUNDAY MORN AND READING ALL YOUR COMMENTS. LARRY MOHR REALLY IS A NARROW MINDED DUMB ASS ISN'T HE? ALWAYS AMUSING.

FATCOOK

That's a bit harsh. Larry may not be as eloquent as some but every once in a while he manages to crank out a good one.

Says the guy who types in all caps. Amazing.

Larry Mohr

Sadly, I think we do owe the Iraqi people a helluva lot.

The coutry is a lot worse off than it was before the US
invaded - we have to try and make it right.

If (insanely) we are commanded by the Iraqi government to
leave Iraq in it's present state, the country will
will be TOTALLY off the rails. Each Muslim sect will try to
exterminate the other Muslim sects. Crazy scenerio.

Segratation should be instituted - like in the former Yugoslavia. (I know - segragating whites is
a lot more palatable than segragating non-whites).

I don't owe Iraqis jack shit. I did NOT I repeat did NOT support the Illegal Invasion of Iraq. My Hands are CLEAN.

Larry Mohr

The question seems to boil down to whether Iraqis should be considered to have benefited or suffered loss by our actions. How much is the removal of Saddam worth?

"America has hardly even begun to repay its debt to Iraq,"

Are they fucking kidding me!? This is why we need to pull out of Iraq. We don't owe iraq anything. I think the 4000+ dead and many more wounded, and thousands of lives ruined is payment enough.

fuckin jackasses... See how fast their tune changes as we leave with Obama in office.

"600 Billion dollars an counting," - i think it's more like a trillion dollars by now.

I would like to know Larry how did your senators vote on the War?

Owe you what? More US lives?

What's My senators votes got to do with My Nonsupport of it?? You thinkI am guilty of support just because My Senators supported it?? That is ludicris(Yeah I am a sucky speller so sue Me)

Larry Mohr

Larry, it was just a simple question trying to figure out why as (I suppose) an American citizen you bear no responsibility for this War.

I'm sure most Iraqis would be happy if we simply pulled all our forces out tomorrow and simply called it 'even'.

Sombody tell him to go have sex with himself.

Well, the Germans and the Japanese didn't exactly invite us in either. War is kinda like that, you know?

History Lesson #137:

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on us because we were at war with Japan.

Using meaningless analogies is kinda like that, you know?

Ringgggg Ringggggg clue phone RIWrong Yet again. By Germany and Japan attacking the United States they invited us in. Iraq neither attacked the United States nor asked for Our invasion. But do keep up with Your right winged delusional thinking.

Larry Mohr

Well, if Iraq never attacked us, why were we shooting down their aircraft? Why did we enforce a blockade and an embargo? Why were we bombing their troops?

After all, those are acts of war. In fact, those are more than Germany did to us in 1941.

Oh, I know--those things were okay, because it was the Clinton Administration doing it, not the Bushies. Got it.

Gotta hand it to you libs--even the definition of war is a malleable thing. A truck driver blown to bits by an American bomb in 1998 is no less dead than the one killed in 2004. Why no outrage about corpse number one?

Just askin'.

"Just askin'."

Did you plop your critical thinking faculties into Ron Popeil's Nuwave Twister Multi-Purpose Blender and set it on "chop" or did someone else do that for you?

Just askin'.

Saddam Hussein had every right under the sun to shoot at Our aircraft in the ILLEGAL No Fly Zones. We had no Legal Authority to impose those No Fly Zones. They after all had Soveriegnty. We attacked Iraq they didn't attack us.

Larry Mohr

"Just askin'."

Did you plop your critical thinking faculties into Ron Popeil's Nuwave Twister Multi-Purpose Blender and set it on "chop" or did someone else do that for you?

Just askin'.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis
* * * *

Someone does it for me. So were we at war with Iraq in the 1990's, or not? And if not, just how pissed off were you at the Clinton people for killing thousands of Iraqis?

Methinks your outrage is selective. It's a common problem among libs. Were Al Gore to have won the presidency in 2000, we would still be over there, dicking around with no-fly zones and embargoes and UN mandates to do this or that, as other countries used the US military to do their bidding for them while the French and Germans got rich from the oil-for-food fraud. Which was also a war crime, since we're keeping score.

Desert Storm ended on April 03 1991 with the Safwan Treaty Do try again RIR.

Larry Mohr

Desert Storm ended on April 03 1991 with the Safwan Treaty Do try again RIR.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr
* * * *

Well, that might come as a surprise to the tens of thousands of Iraqis killed in the US bombing and embargoes during the Clinton Administration. If the war was over, why wasn't the war over?

You want to talk about the UN Oil For Food program RIR let Me remind You that the United States got rich off of the Oil for Food program. But You don't have the fucking balls to admit that. Oh and the NO Fly Zones were NOT UN Mandated do try again.

Larry Mohr

Selected excerpts:

June 1993

U.S. bombing of Baghdad June 26 leaves at least 8 civilians dead and 20 wounded. Three of the 23 cruise missiles fired at the city hit residential neighborhoods, leaving craters 30 feet deep. On June 29, a U.S. warplane fires an air-to-surface missile against an Iraqi antiaircraft battery in the southern province of Basra. Bombings and missile attacks continue into July. Clinton claims assault is in retaliation of alleged plot by Baghdad to kill former president Bush while on an earlier visit to Kuwait.

September 1994

At Washington's urging the United Nations Security Council votes September 14 to maintain its economic embargo against Iraq, first imposed in August 1990. Earlier in the year, Iraqi foreign minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf told the UN Commission on Human Rights that the death rate among young children in the country was 126 times higher than before the Gulf War. Prices of basic foodstuffs had risen as much as 400 percent. The Security Council has renewed the sanctions regularly since, with the U.S. government leading the charge, despite continued reports of the devastating consequences. A UN study estimates as of January 1996, as many as 576,000 children in Iraq have died as a result of the economic embargo.

October 1994

With virtually unanimous bipartisan support, Clinton pours tens of thousands of troops into the Gulf region, and places another 156,000 on alert. Hundreds of bombers and other war material are part of the massive armada sent to the waters off Iraq. The U.S. military buildup, supposedly in response to the deployment of 70,000 Iraqi troops near the border with Kuwait, continues despite the fact that Baghdad began pulling its troops back within days. U.S. troops conduct training exercises in the Kuwaiti desert.

Washington and London both issue "diplomatic notes" October 20 threatening aerial bombardment if Baghdad sends more troops south of the 32nd parallel.

You want to talk about the UN Oil For Food program RIR let Me remind You that the United States got rich off of the Oil for Food program. But You don't have the fucking balls to admit that. Oh and the NO Fly Zones were NOT UN Mandated do try again.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr
* * *

LOL. We did?

I don't give a damn about the UN. I don't give a damn about the oil-for-food fiasco, that was completely predictable. What I do care about is the fact that millions of Americans pretend we weren't at war with Iraq, when everything Clinton did vis a vis Iraq was an act of war. If, say, Cuba did any of the things to us that the Clintonites put down on the Iraqis, Havana would have been toppled in three hours.

But none of those things matter, I guess. The "war with Iraq" wasn't on as US planes were bombing and killing and the US Navy starving Iraqi civilians during the Clinton years. It was only when Bush II showed up, that the liberals started to notice Iraqi suffering.

So you'll excuse me if I find your faux outrage amusing.

Youthinks wrong.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis
* * *

Oh. I'll take your word for it, then, that you're as enthusiastic about bringing Clinton up on war crimes, as you are of Bush.

"I'm glad I have the lefties on the DR to explain to me how Clinton bombing Iraqi targets every other day for years isn't an act of war"

I don't know who you are addressing, but those were acts of war.

Maybe you could try quoting real posters, rather than imaginary ones like "you libs".

You must give a damn about the Oil for Food program or else You wouldn't have brought it up. You also must give a damn about the UN or else You would not have brought it up. Do try again.

Larry Mohr

Oh and Bush 41 started the sanctions against Saddam Hussein NOT Clinton. Do try again.

Larry Mohr

"Oh. I'll take your word for it, then, that you're as enthusiastic about bringing Clinton up on war crimes, as you are of Bush."

Youthinks wrong if youthinks I'm a Bill Clinton partisan. I thought he was a disgrace as president. But if your take is that Clinton's attacks on Iraq are equivalent to Bush's war of choice in the use of deception, in devastating impact, and in lives shattered and lost you've got another think coming.

Tell the soda jerk to set the blender on "whip" next time. Things might finally start coming together.

LOL. Yes, and that poor Bill Clinton just had no choice in the matter, but to continue them. Right?

I keep forgetting. BC did no wrong. Thanks for the reminder. So if he was killing Iraqis with bombs and starvation, it was only because of the policies of his predecessor.

And who is this poster named "the DR left"?

Maybe we should assume that the most extreme rightwing poster represents "the DR Right" and speaks for all conservatives.

"I keep forgetting. BC did no wrong. "

Who said that?

everything Clinton did vis a vis Iraq was an act of war.

So you'll excuse me if I find your faux outrage amusing.

~Right is Hilarious


Clinton was enforcing a policy setup by George Herbert Walker Bush, 41.

You do remember him, aka Bush the Smarter who avoided invading Iraq on solid common sense.

So if he was killing Iraqis with bombs and starvation, it was only because of the policies of his predecessor.
RiR


So you would have been against his following the followup advised by the PNAC.

Clinton was enforcing a policy setup by George Herbert Walker Bush, 41.

You do remember him, aka Bush the Smarter who avoided invading Iraq on solid common sense.

Posted by Zap

That's a lame of an excuse I ever heard. Heaven help the Iraqis if the Clintons occupy the White House again. - and the Iranians.

Danni

Whether they were debunked or not, Halfbright felt justified by the half million deaths Lesli Stahl cited.

hat's a lame of an excuse I ever heard. Heaven help the Iraqis if the Clintons occupy the White House again. - and the Iranians.

~RAY

Ok Ray you have the benefit of years of hind sight now. What would you have done if you were Clinton?

Heaven help the Iraqis if the Clintons occupy the White House again. - and the Iranians.
~RAY


Or McSame

What would you have done if you were Clinton?

Posted by Zap
* * * *

Invaded. Just like Bush I should have done.

RIR is either delusional or stupid one or the other.

Larry Mohr

Invaded. Just like Bush I should have done.
~ RIGHTISRIGHT


RiR I didn't ask you I ask Ray because I thought I might get an interesting answer. Perhaps it would be the same one, we may find out.

From you the predictable, LOL a proud member of the 28%.

What do You expect Zap?? RIR would follow Dubya off of a cliff if He was told to. That Bush Lemming Juice must be some real swill cause they drink it like it's going out of style. I bet in 40 Years from now RIR will be wailing and gnashing His teach in the Nursing Home reflecting upon this period in time.

Larry Mohr

CLNTON, CLINTON, CLINTON, AFTER 7 1/2 YEARS are you ignorant BASTARDS ever going to hold this Asshole you call President responsible for anything? 71% of the American people in the lastest poll says you idiots are wrong, this PRICK is competent. Do you think that all 71% are Democrats? No dick heads there are Republicians with some brains in that 71%.

Your fucking President is a fucking War criminal, one can only hope the the World Court in the Haque brings charges on this fucking heathen!!!

Invaded. Just like Bush I should have done.

~RIGHTISRIGHT

Most times RiR there is a semblance of reason in your posts.

You so badly miss the mark on this it should be painfull.

Chimpy needed a 911 event to pull off HIS war and even with the even it almost didn't happen. Your last post is at best, Pathetic.

Ok Ray you have the benefit of years of hind sight now. What would you have done if you were Clinton?

Posted by Zap

He should have looked for another intern instead of getting 7500 American soldiers killed.

The loose Left

Celisary they aren't too bright now are they?? They want to blame everyone but themselves for their egregious acts. I find it funny Myself. Guess it's like they say You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can't take stupid out of the Bushites I am afraid. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Larry Mohr

We attacked Iraq they didn't attack us.

Posted by LarryMohr

Is your memory that short? Iraq invaded Kuwait and we were asked to help them.

We attacked Iraq they didn't attack us.

Posted by LarryMohr

Is your memory that short? Iraq invaded Kuwait and we were asked to help them.

Is your memory that short? Iraq invaded Kuwait and we were asked to help them.
~SNIPER


Your posts always bring a smile, how can one guy always get it wrong?

Psst Snippy, Bush 41 Chimpy's Dad kicked them out of Kuwait in '91. Here's the kicker, he did it without invading. His advisors said it would lead to a quagmire, we could be stuck there for 100 years....

instead of getting 7500 American soldiers killed.
~Snippy

???

What do You expect Zap?? RIR would follow Dubya off of a cliff if He was told to. That Bush Lemming Juice must be some real swill cause they drink it like it's going out of style. I bet in 40 Years from now RIR will be wailing and gnashing His teach in the Nursing Home reflecting upon this period in time.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr
* * * *

Quit being a dumbass. In most respects the Bush presidency has been a huge disappointment, if not a disaster, and I've said so, on here. The problem is that you can't keep the other posters straight.

Celisary, please do the world a favor and get yourself a life, beyotch. I hold Bush accountable for everything he does, and Clinton too.

I just find it amusing that libtards like you pretend we weren't at war with Iraq until Bush Jr. arrived on the scene. And, as usual, you're looking to send GWB to the Hague, but not your pal WFC.

Most times RiR there is a semblance of reason in your posts.

You so badly miss the mark on this it should be painfull.

Chimpy needed a 911 event to pull off HIS war and even with the even it almost didn't happen. Your last post is at best, Pathetic.

Posted by Zap
* * * *

My point, Zap--is that we were at war with Iraq. Thus, Clinton's missiles and bombs and embargoes and blockades. I spent four years of my life during the Clinton Administration prosecuting the war in Iraq. The fact that you didn't pick up a newspaper from 1993-2000 is irrelevant; the fact that you're unaware of it is irrelevant. If we weren't at war during those years, you liberals need to find a different word for it.

Some of your liberal orgs DID get it--I posted links to them. They thought that Clinton was guilty of war crimes. At least they're consistent--you're just another partisan hack. Just like me.

"The problem is that you can't keep the other posters straight.

Posted by rightisright "


That's funny coming from a guy that keeps arguing with a mythical poster named "you libs".

I just find it amusing that libtards like you pretend we weren't at war with Iraq until Bush Jr. arrived on the scene. And, as usual, you're looking to send GWB to the Hague, but not your pal WFC.

Posted by rightisright


send 'em both there!

Yeah Sniper and Bush 41 gave Saddam Hussein tacit permission to invade Kuwait until Saudi Arabia thought that Saddam Hussein was getting too big for His britches. So that quashes Your lame assed excuse.

Larry Mohr

Gulf War I ended in a cease fire. Since it was never a declared war, it couldn't have ended. Considering Saddams tendency to fire on our aircraft enforcing the No-Fly zone, I'd say we were perfectly justified in tossing a few bombs his way anytime we felt like it.

But this is completely different from sending a couple hundred thousand troops to the other side of the world to invade. It was a bad idea, not because it was unjustified, but because it was STUPID. The old saying "If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" would apply, but we had a whole freakin' toolbox at our disposal. We didn't need to invade Iraq, not even to get rid of Saddam. We did it because Bush wanted to.

The problem is, he had no idea what to do with it once he got it, kind of like a dog chasing a car.

If we weren't at war during those years, you liberals need to find a different word for it.
~RiR


Here is the difference.

Before Chimpy invaded we could have walked away. Just discontinued the embargo and flown home. Now, well Powell said it best.

Argh You are so incorrect. Gulf War 1 was one of the only 2 wars the UN Declared. The First would be the Korean War. It ended in the Safwan Treaty on April 03 1991. Saddam Hussein had EVERY right under the sun to fire upon Our aircraft flying in those Illegal No Fly Zones. Yes they were ILLEAGAL because Iraq had Full Political and Geographic sovereignty. The No Fly Zones were NOT UN Sanctioned as was necessary to be legal.

Larry Mohr

Psst Snippy, Bush 41 Chimpy's Dad kicked them out of Kuwait in '91. Here's the kicker, he did it without invading. His advisors said it would lead to a quagmire, we could be stuck there for 100 years....

Posted by Zap

Psssssssssssstttt zap. I won't tell anyone the US forces were in Iraq if you don't. They didn't go in and get Sadam but that is another story.

Here is the difference.

Before Chimpy invaded we could have walked away. Just discontinued the embargo and flown home. Now, well Powell said it best.

Posted by Zap
* * * *

You're right. We could have. But we invaded instead, and that was the right thing to do.

You're right. We could have. But we invaded instead, and that was the right thing to do.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-04 07:27 PM | Reply

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. What God damned right did We have invading Iraq?? What You tell Me I God damned dare You. You want other Country';s to play by the rules then by God lead by example.

Larry Mohr

Psssssssssssstttt zap. I won't tell anyone the US forces were in Iraq if you don't. They didn't go in and get Sadam but that is another story.
~SNIPER


My you are 'amazing', when and where and in what force?

PS Comic books don't count..

You're right. We could have. But we invaded instead, and that was the right thing to do.

POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT


Sorry you couldn't be more wrong and I find it amazing you can still stick with that concept. 4000 KIA and still a quagmire 5 years later.

In any case thanks for the civil discourse.

Oh and Snippy still waiting on the 7500 American soldiers killed.

Yeah Sniper and Bush 41 gave Saddam Hussein tacit permission to invade Kuwait until Saudi Arabia thought that Saddam Hussein was getting too big for His britches. So that quashes Your lame assed excuse.

Posted by LarryMohr

So you think Bush the elder was responsible for Iraq invading Kuwait? I haven't heard that one before.

Yes zap, men in uniform died during the reign of king Bill. I guess that is news to you.

Yes zap, men in uniform died during the reign of king Bill. I guess that is news to you.
~Zippy

7500 according to the Zip-pity Bull-da.

Yes zap, men in uniform died during the reign of king Bill. I guess that is news to you

Using snippy's logic, Chimpy killed St. Ronnie Reagan.

So you think Bush the elder was responsible for Iraq invading Kuwait? I haven't heard that one before.
~Zippy


Yes indeed there is so much you don't know, but I digress.

Look up April Glaspie she should have a real hard time sleeping nights considering the ramifications of her ineptness.

Using snippy's logic, Chimpy killed St. Ronnie Reagan.

~REINHEITSGEBOT

Ronnie Raygun, Really...

Look up April Glaspie she should have a real hard time sleeping nights considering the ramifications of her ineptness.

I was about to suggest that, and you beat me to it. If you're referring to the transcripts of the meeting between Saddam and Glaspie, there are some quite interesting points, relevant to today. For instance:

***** GLASPIE: We have many Americans who would like to see the price go above $25 because they come from oil-producing states.

My. What a surprise. Who's from oil-producing states?

Dr. Ron Paul?

***** GLASPIE: We have many Americans who would like to see the price go above $25 because they come from oil-producing states.

Nope not that..

Zap, from 1991:

Sand trap; U.S. diplomacy did work: it got us into war - Persian Gulf War
Washington Monthly, April, 1991 by James Bennet

Larry, that's an accurate reporting of what I understood back in the 90's.

I agree Yav and I would say if April Glaspie was representing Bush 41's Policy then it is Bush 41 who is ultimately responsible for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait since He did give tacit permission to invade. I am sure Saddam Hussein would not have invaded Kuwait if the United States said No from Jump Street.

Larry Mohr

Larry, you're out of your mind. In case you've forgotten, we also gave him a deadline to LEAVE Kuwait. Saddam ignored that too. So what the hell are you talking about?

No I am NOT out of My mind THIS TIME. Bush 41 wanted deeper relations with Saddam Hussein and He gave tacit permission to Saddam Hussein to do what He wanted to do with regards to Kuwait. Saddam Hussein took Bush 41 at His word. He invaded Kuwait then Saudi Arabia got pissed and declared Saddam Hussein was getting too big for His britches so Desert shield was started and subsequently Desert Storm. Saddam Hussein was double crossed by Bush 41.

Larry Mohr

Leaving means the Iraw/Kuwait war had already started.

We were discussing pre-invasion.

The record and history of Bush 41's "diplomacy" and "negotiation" is a text book example of what not to do.

On the other hand, he executed the war flawlessly.

Iraq*

Larry-

Fuck Saddam. He was a dictator who ruled by main force - in other words, without the consent of his people. Therefore, nothing he did was a legitimate state act, including firing on our overflights.

Which still doesn't mean it was a good idea to invade. Two very separate things.

Yav-

His "flawless execution" of the war included a great deal of diplomacy and negotiation. That's why we had allies going in, and lots of new friends when it was over.

As opposed to this time, where we lost allies by going in, and no friends left long before it's over.

I don't owe Iraqis jack shit. I did NOT I repeat did NOT support the Illegal Invasion of Iraq. My Hands are CLEAN.

Larry Mohr

POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

You are an US American.

Fuck Saddam. He was a dictator who ruled by main force - in other words, without the consent of his people. Therefore, nothing he did was a legitimate state act, including firing on our overflights.

Which still doesn't mean it was a good idea to invade. Two very separate things.

Posted by argh at 2008-05-05 04:05 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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SWo You are just like3 the fuck weasel in the White House now ehhhhh YUou don'tr give a shit about the rules. Y&ou had better if You are any kind of an American.


Larry Mohr

I don't owe Iraqis jack shit. I did NOT I repeat did NOT support the Illegal Invasion of Iraq. My Hands are CLEAN.

Larry Mohr

POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

You are an US American.

Posted by fribo at 2008-05-05 06:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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STILL NOT RESPONSIBLE OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT NONSUPPORT MEANS?????

Larry Mohr

STILL NOT RESPONSIBLE OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT NONSUPPORT MEANS?????

How funny, Larry. I remember a few months ago you said that the US was responsible for the Iran hostage crisis because of operation ajax way back in the '50s. But now americans like you do not bear the responsibility of a much more recent event, the Iraqi war.

You should be consistent, dude. You'd be more believable.

Hey Goatman do You have any worthwhile to spew or do You just do trooling (troll + tool = trooling)around being a fuckstick?? You are getting about as useless as they come anymore.

Larry Mohr

Oh and go look up dissent sometime Goatman You might learn something or 2.

Larry Mohr

So you do not dispute me, huh, Larry? Just a little name calling to try to cover up your inconsistencies.

Very funny.

Larry, did Saddam do anything in his whole life that you don't blame the Bush's for?
Godalmighty.

Could it be then, that things are actually beginning to go as planned? Still, the Dems don't want to hear that, do they?

Because it's confusing to me, I'm fortunate to have people like Doc Sarvis around to explain things.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-04 01:02 PM

You are easy to confuse R is R

You know we were all trying to figure out what in the hell was going on back then... this blog and outlets like it didn't even exist. WE all "assumed" Clinton had them "surrounded" and contained whilst they searched for those elusive and mythical WMDS...

But he did not INVADE.

There is a difference.

STILL NOT RESPONSIBLE OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT NONSUPPORT MEANS?????

I understand exactly, I am a German, born in 45.

So you do not dispute me, huh, Larry? Just a little name calling to try to cover up your inconsistencies.

Very funny.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-05 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No what is very funny is Your continual bullshit that You spew regularly. It is not inconsistant to blame the US Government for the hatred of the Middle East and that includes Operation Ajax and also at the very same time not be responsible for it because I did not support the actions of the Government at the time. Of Course You would know this too Goatman if You had any God damned sense about You. I am beginning to realize You are nothing but a God damned troll and not here for anything worthwhile. That is what I think Goatman.

Larry Mohr

Larry, did Saddam do anything in his whole life that you don't blame the Bush's for?
Godalmighty.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-05 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Truth Fucking Hurts now doesn't it RIR. Bush 41 is responsible for the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein because He gave Him the fucking green light. If You do not understand that it's not My problem.

Larry Mohr

No what is very funny is Your continual bullshit that You spew regularly. It is not inconsistant to blame the US Government for the hatred of the Middle East and that includes Operation Ajax and also at the very same time not be responsible for it because I did not support the actions of the Government at the time. Of Course You would know this too Goatman if You had any God damned sense about You. I am beginning to realize You are nothing but a God damned troll and not here for anything worthwhile. That is what I think Goatman.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-05 01:10 PM | Reply |


Translation: You're too smart to be lured in to my basement.

I LikE to FucK Dogs iN tHe Ass plEAse Do yET try so Again.

LarryMohr

That's ironic. A chicken fucker trying to make fun of dog fucking.

71% of the American people in the lastest poll says you idiots are wrong, this PRICK is competent.
Your fucking President is a fucking War criminal, one can only hope the the World Court in the Haque brings charges on this fucking heathen!!!

Posted by celisary at 2008-05-04 05:14 PM

I am betting that about 90% of the people on the DR would say that celery is an idiot. But if you said that celery is a murdering idiot the munber would probably go down.

Are you capable of seeing the difference, jackass? 71% dissaprove of Bush, however 71% do not think he is a war criminal. That is left to the loosers like you.

Bush 41 wanted deeper relations with Saddam Hussein and He gave tacit permission to Saddam Hussein to do what He wanted to do with regards to Kuwait. Saddam Hussein took Bush 41 at His word. He invaded Kuwait then Saudi Arabia got pissed and declared Saddam Hussein was getting too big for His britches so Desert shield was started and subsequently Desert Storm. Saddam Hussein was double crossed by Bush 41.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-04 10:51 PM

I suppose that you can back this statement up? I wont be holding my breath.

Sicko - here is info that will lead you to more info on the basis for Larry's post:

"Iraqi-American relations
On Wednesday July 25, 1990, the American Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border. The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, "inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion" on the disagreement which opposes Kuwait to Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts". She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have misled Saddam into believing he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait" (New York Times, September 23, 1990.)

No what is very funny is Your continual bullshit that You spew regularly. It is not inconsistant to blame the US Government for the hatred of the Middle East and that includes Operation Ajax and also at the very same time not be responsible for it because I did not support the actions of the Government at the time.

Larry, you missed the point. I don't know how, I spelled it out clearly.

You said Americans were to blame for Ajax, yet you, as an American say you are not to blame for Iraq.

If Americans are to blame for Ajax, they must be to blame for Iraq. You are an American. Therefore, you, too, are to blame. If you think not, the all Americans are not to blame for Ajax either. That is the inconsistency, Larry -- you

You are nothing but a God damned troll and not here for anything worthwhile. That is what I think Goaman.

If in your opinion pointing out your inconsistencies makes a troll in your eyes, then yes, I am a troll in your eyes. And it breaks my heart.

***** Are you capable of seeing the difference, jackass? 71% dissaprove of Bush, however 71% do not think he is a war criminal. That is left to the loosers like you.
Posted by sickoflibs ******

.......Bush is a war criminal........the percentage who agree or disagree will not change that fact.....

.........the attack on Iraq..........is the same as......
........Germany's attack on Poland..........
........Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor......
........Iraq's attack on Kuwait........

........a day of infamy........shame on us all...

Skizziks,

Your comparisons are idiotic.... There's not really much else to add.

......your thinking is superficial........you are one the jingo-swilling retards this administration depends on........

Skizziks,

Your comparisons are idiotic.... There's not really much else to add.

Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-05 03:10 PM

That pretty much sums it up.

Screw the Iraqis. Might makes right. We are an imperialist power. Our leftist friends continually so declare. Well, we have a role as an imperialist power, and that is to feather our own nests. Take what we need, add what we want, and lets' profit from our imperialist endeavors.

Larry,

Larry, did Saddam do anything in his whole life that you don't blame the Bush's for?
Godalmighty.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-05 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Truth Fucking Hurts now doesn't it RIR. Bush 41 is responsible for the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein because He gave Him the fucking green light. If You do not understand that it's not My problem.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-05 01:13 PM

**** That pretty much sums it up.
Posted by sickoflibs ******

......wait till the war crimes trials........

.......Bush and Rumsfeld......going down in history with Goebbels and the Nazis.........staunchly supported by sickoflibs, who was too feeble-minded to understand the issues......

.......Bush is a war criminal........the percentage who agree or disagree will not change that fact.....

.........the attack on Iraq..........is the same as......
........Germany's attack on Poland..........
........Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor......
........Iraq's attack on Kuwait........

........a day of infamy........shame on us all...

You didn't answer the question, Larry.


Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-05 03:28 PM | Reply

Why answer a stupid fucking question so Your sad sacks on the right can deflect responsibility for Your dastardly deeds with regards to Saddam Hussein. The Right shat all over Him and You know it. First Bush 41 gives Him permission to invade Kuwait and then when He does it Bush 41 double crosses Him and condemns Him.. How can You folks on the right justify that in Your minds?? Yet You on the right have the utter fucking gall to label the Left as traitorous and treasonable in Our actions. No JeffJ I will not be answering stupid fucking questions. Capisce??

Larry Mohr

The ones who supported this Illegal Invasion need to sell their shit and go over there and fix their God damned mess. It's not the whole United States fault. So get on it. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY

Sincerely
Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

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Larry, you are always on point.
Good post.
I agree totally.


Posted by BobOtto

It would be nice if both of you would try making a point without flat out lying. There was nothing illegal about our invasion of Iraq. Nothing. We had the right to invade on the grounds of numerous UN reslolutions that were either broken or ignored.

Hate the war all you want. Be against the war with all your hearts. But, quit your damn lying and stop with the disinformation campaign that comes straight out of Moveon's talking points.

It's pathetic.

Until one can produce an UN Resolution specifically stating that Dubya was authorized to use force against Saddam Hussein Militarily You do not have a Legal War no matter how many God Damned times You sorry sacks on the right try and deny it. You can not do so with any degree of intellectually Honesty. Please do try yet again for You know not what You speak about.

Larry Mohr

RiR-

I have had this little discussion with Larry, who will doggedly ignore every fact you throw his way and stick to his "It ain't My fault, No Damn way" mantra.

You didn't answer the question, Larry.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-05 03:28 PM

That's because he can't...those "pesky facts" from the Clinton Administration keep compelling the Bush 41 deflection.

BillO-

The "DR Left" and "all you libs" are people that are a little to the right of you politically.

You do not have a Legal War no matter how many God Damned times You sorry sacks on the right try and deny it. You can not do so with any degree of intellectually Honesty. Please do try yet again for You know not what You speak about.

Larry Mohr


Then explain for me again why the UN ceritfied the US and Brits as a "lawful occupying force" under the UN Charter?

Oh, that's right, you can't, and will just revert to using words like "bloviating" to butress your non-argument.

Then explain for me again why the UN ceritfied the US and Brits as a "lawful occupying force" under the UN Charter?

Oh, that's right, you can't, and will just revert to using words like "bloviating" to butress your non-argument.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-05-05 04:59 PM | Reply

This one is so easy. They dd so to try and get the Country back into some symbolance of normalcy. Besides the fact The United States and Great Britan having VETO power so any sanctioning against us would have been useless. You know trying to make the best out of a bad situation. That still does not negate tyyhe Illegal Invasion of Iraq. :+) FYI

Larry Mohr

Wow, Larry, I am impressed that you actually gave a direct answer.

Interesting that you bring up VETO power rendering UN authority useless...can you name two of the countries implicated in Oil for Food who also had VETO power?

Yep France China and The good ole US of A Now what say You now. Oh and Yes I know You asked for 2 I added another one so You wouldn't have any excuses to spew Your bullshit ROC. Capisce??

Larry Mohr

I know, but why would the US want to VETO any UN resolution aloowing them to invade Iraq?

aloowing=allowing

I know, but why would the US want to VETO any UN resolution aloowing them to invade Iraq?

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-05-05 05:24 PM | Reply

You don't get it. It's not that the United States would veto any Resolution allowing them to invade Iraq. They WOULD however veto any legislation in the UN Security Council seeking to sanction the United States and Or Great Brittan for waging the Illegal War in Iraq ergo it would be a waste of time bringing it up. It does not negate the Illegality of it.

Larry Mohr

"Like Powell famously told Bush. If you break it, it's yours."

This is the most retarded arguement I've seen and it is repeated constantly. I'm not even sure the people who say it know what it means.

To say that we "own" Iraq infers that its ours now. As in we can tell the Iraqis to get the fuck out and keep all the oil.

"I'm not even sure the people who say it know what it means."

Posted by Sully

MESSAGE TO GOATMAN.

That is a self-retorting retort.

Sully - Powell meant that, if we invade Iraq and fuck up the infrastructure and political structure, we will be responsible for putting it back together again. He was right.

I do get it Larry, I was talking about the fact that France and China, who were up to their eyeballs in the Oil-for-food scam, were going to Veto any resolution authorizing the US to use force in Iraq.

As to your point, of course the US and GB would veto any resolution sanctioning them for invading Iraq...my point is that the UN approved the occupation of Iraq (albeit after the fact), which fact vitiates the "violation of the UN Charter" argument that the "illegal war" crowd bandies about.

Monte-

I agree, but it is my understanding from people in Iraq that the core infrastructure (roads, sewage, electrical transmission, etc.) was already a mess before the invasion. Of course, a few thousand tons of bombs before the invasion and a few thousand tons after didn't help, but the military tried to avoid further core infrastructure damage as much a possible so long as it didn't have a command and control aspect to it.

"That is a self-retorting retort."

Not really. But I suppose you felt everyone needed to see that line posted for 100,001st time.

"Sully - Powell meant that, if we invade Iraq and fuck up the infrastructure and political structure, we will be responsible for putting it back together again. He was right."

You can make arguements on the infastructure. On the one hand, we did blow up alot of their stuff. On the other, they are now blowing up the people trying to fix their stuff.

But to say we owe them a political structure is a bit much. Are they complete non-entities in your mind? What do we owe them anyway? Another brutal dictator, because that is what they had before we foolishly stepped in? That would make things real easy for Bush but I don't see the Iraqis buying in..... Ever stop to think that they that they may not want a political structure - as we define it - at all?

Sully, I apologize. You utterly, completely and totally miss the point. And I suspect it is impossible to explain it to you.

"it is my understanding from people in Iraq that the core infrastructure (roads, sewage, electrical transmission, etc.) was already a mess before the invasion.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-05-05 06:48 PM"

That certainly was the spin. Personally, I think the preexisting problems were overstated.

UN approved the occupation of Iraq (albeit after the fact), which fact vitiates the "violation of the UN Charter" argument that the "illegal war" crowd bandies about.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-05-05 06:44 PM | Reply

This is an Intellectually Dishonest Statement. Just because the UN was trying to make something Good come out of a Bad and Illegal Situation does NOT vitiate(Thanks for fucking making Me look in the Fucking dictionary) the notion that the Iraq War is Illegal and violates the UN Charter namely Article 2 clause 4 of the UN Charter which states.

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Well, Larry, I don't think we'll find any resolution stating that the UN said 'Dubya' could invade Iraq. What we do find are threats of military force if inspectors were not allowed. We will also not find any resolution from the UN syaing that our congress would be held responsible for voting for an attack and then tried at the Hauge.

You will also find resolutions passed and broken since Gulf war one which meant we had every right to go in a long time ago.

What I would love is to have you show us all something from the world court that states that we invaded Iraq illegaly. Something form a source other tham Moveon.org or Truthout would be preferable.

Besides, if we're there illegally, why didn't Sadaam just stay put and call on the world court to stop the war? Surely there are enough America hating countries that someone could have made a good case. Surely it would have been a better case than what libs like yourself have come up with.

Your slogans and chants are so uneffective. It's no wonder you are never taken seriously. All you ever do is accuse people yet offer no evidence.

I used to listen to Michael Savage pretty often. he's actually pretty entertaining. Anyway, he liked to say liberalism is a mental disorder. I used to think it was sort of funny and never gave it much thought, but over the past few years I've come to realize he's right.

You liberals are actually sick in the head. You have no common sense, which explains the 'intellectuals' you claim to have so many of. They're as dumb as rocks when it comes to common reasoning. All you ever have to say for yourselves are dumbass slogans and chants, 95% of which have no basis in reality. Everything you champion, blacks, the poor, illegal aliens, and the homeless, you despise in secret and would never have them in your home, much less hire them.

Frome here on out I think it's going to be so much easier to listen to your bullshit because I now fully understand that you are nothing but mentally ill individuals.

"You liberals are actually sick in the head."


You rightwingers are actually sick in the head.

This is easy! Everyone can play!

All you rightwingers ever have to say for yourselves are dumbass slogans and chants, like "stay the course" and "Mission Accomplished" 95% of which have no basis in reality.

From here on out I think it's going to be so much easier to listen to your rightwing bullshit because I now fully understand that you are nothing but mentally ill individuals.

First of all Everlong You will NOT find an UN Resolution threatening the use of Military Force except for UN Resolution 678. There it gave automacy for the Use of Military Force if Saddam Hussein and His Military did not leave Kuwait at a certain time. That force was only to be used to remove Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait and nothing more. That Authorization for the use of force was not suspended with UN Resolution 686. It was still valid but only for the removal of Saddam Hussein and His Military from Kuwait NOTHING more. It was formally ended with UN Resolution 687 articles 33 and 34 respevicely and also the Safwan Treaty that was signed on April 03 1991. None of the subsequent UN Resolutions gave any automacy with regards to the use of Military force the ONLY one that gave any inkling on reprocusions was UN Resolution 1441 which stated "Serious Consequences" were to happen if Saddam Hussein did not comply with regards to UN Resolution 1441. Those serious consequences were to be determined by the UN Security Council as a whole and not for any member state to decide unilaterally. I can show You plainly how the Iraq War was illegal everlong if You are serious in looking at them. Oh and I take it directly from the UN Resolutions themselves not moveon.org nor truthout. As for Your declaration that Liberalism is a Mental disorder Let Me entertain You and say it IS a Mental Disorder( I do not believe so but I am entertaining Your thought processes for shits and giggles) If as You say Liberalism IS a Mental Disorder then we have a genuine physical imparment. Therefore it is NOT our faults our brains are whacked as You claim. It is Our minds that are fucked up(Only entertaining You now) If that is the case then You have to admit that following Dubya as You have had even after all that has come out on Dubya's egregious handling of the office of President of the United States is very dumb to say the very least. Since stupidity is NOT a mental disorder but that of willfullness then that means You are genuinely stupid to the nth degree and You have no excuse for Your behavior in Your support of Dubya. Oh and THAT ALSO MEANS YOU LACK COMMON SENSE which You lambaste the Liberals for not having. Now what say YOU Everlong. We have an excuse for Our brain imparement You on the other hand are stupid willfully.

Larry Mohr

PS I know I don't spell words correctly all of the time so don't use THAT to justify lambasting Me for it. I freely admit to that.

Oh and since You STILL support Dubya obviously then that means Your lack of Good Judgement is in question and that isn't a fault of the mental processes. So what say YOU now Everlong??

Larry Mohr