How "convenient" for the Republican Senator David Vitter and other DC insiders.

Vince Foster told me not to believe everyting you read in the news.

Shoulda never released those names.

Push comes to shove.

It is, of course, entirely possible that this is a legit suicide.

Not probable but possible.

A message sent.

Be Well.

"A message sent."

Putin would be proud. This is how the Russian state deals with bothersome individuals.

Suicide.

Bull fucking shit.

Just like Vince Foster killed himself.

Just like Riad Hamad killed himself.

Just like Gary Webb killed himself.

Queue the mother in 5 minutes saying something like, "Well, she was depressed..."

Somebody "helped" her commit suicide.
She knew too much about too many powerful people in DC who would have been, let's say, very inconvenienced should she ever have decided to write some "tell-all" book while in prison.

On CBS - April 13, 2007 the DC Madam was quoted as saying:

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who is acting as her own attorney, said Harlan K. Ullman, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, "is only one of dozens of such officials" who will be exposed as she prepares her defense....

How "convenient" for the Republican Senator David Vitter and other DC insiders.
Posted by taxman


You shouldn't tie Vitter to this, you partisan. Who knows who all was on that list? Probably bipartisan representation.

You shouldn't tie Vitter to this

I didn't tie Vitter to this, his own adulterous ways tied him to this.

You shouldn't tie Vitter to this, you partisan. Who knows who all was on that list? Probably bipartisan representation.
Posted by MrFair at 2008-05-01 02:26 PM

I love your mind, dude.

That is definitely what the message is - we could either incarcerate some guilty politicians, or salvage the lot of you.

She had a big one apparently ready to rock.. and they weren't about to allow any executions without authority.

The prostitution investigation goes where from here? Bye.

...and Jack Ruby acted alone.

Moral of this story -- and this now includes the ladies too -- never "kiss and tell"

All you need to do is implicate half of the DC insider group and a large amount of anyone else that matters and just like that suicide!

Looks like the conspiracy nuts are out in force.

I agree that she didn't commit suicide. Women rarely hang themselves when suicidal. Drug OD is preferred, or carbon monoxide. She had no reason to kill herself--she was smart enough to turn her legal problems into money with book deals etc, even if she had to do a few years in prison.

Leave it to bOoB to create a conspiracy!

She had no reason to kill herself

Except that she did not want to go to prison again. She had been there once and did not like it. I guess you didn't know that part, bOoB. Glad to provide the rest of the story to you.

She was quoted as saying she would not go to prison again. She's not.

Women rarely hang themselves when suicidal.

That's true, BuffaloBob. No woman wants to think of others finding her with a bloated tongue and broken neck hanging from the end of a rope.

Vanity thy name is woman. (grin)

Women usually won't even shoot themselves because the blood looks too nasty. ODing on sleeping pills or some other "Mother's little helper" is usually the way women pick to commit suicide. Only guys pick the blood and gore route to end their lives.

Just to let you know I'm not stalking you Goatman -- seems like every other time I do a post mine seems to pop up a minute or two after yours shows up and I never even saw your post until after I wrote mine and hit the "Publish Comment" link.

I don't want BBob to think CalifChris is Goatman and vice versa. Conspiracy theories abound! (grin)

And in this case, I agree with BuffaloBob -- the DC Madam was murdered! Her powerful and well-connected Washington DC clients did not want some "tell all" book written about them while she was behind bars.

Using the proportion of female suicides as an arguement against her taking her own life, I guess planes never crash either. It is very very rare that one crashes, so we can argue that when one does that it really didn't since that is such a rare event, stalker *grin*

Using the proportion of female suicides
=
Using the proportion of female suicides by hanging

She was the second one to do that of the ladies involved. Makes you wonder.

CC, we wouldn't think you were the goatman. Way different.

Lets be clear folks... she was NOT a spring chicken, facing up to 65 years in prison. At her age, thats a life sentence.

Suicide? No Way!
Look-we ALL get screwed by the politicians-in Washington-and elsewhere...after all THAT screwing-then-servicing the bastards in bed was too much.
The poor thing was literally SCREWED to death.

She was the second one to do that of the ladies involved. Makes you wonder.
Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-01 07:43 PM

What? Second one? There is another related "suicide", as in one of her girls? Did that instigate the preliminary investigations?

Leave it to bOoB to create a conspiracy!

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-01 05:25 PM | Reply

Yes, I was the first to bring this up and I'm the only one who has said she was probably murdered. It's MY creation, and you are here to dance.

Dance little puppet dance.

;-)

Kiss-Kiss Bang-Bang.

Obviously anything she knew that might have ruined the slimmest possibility of a _______'S victory in November HAD to be quelled.

Am I sounding a bit Partisan in the face of Conspiracy?

Well, If there is one thing ________'S can't stand is October Surprises. And from listening to her interviews on the radio, she had a LOT of October Surprises and was planning to use them.

When a _________ is exposed as a 'deviant' or corrupt, he apologizes and crawls under a rock.

However, when a __________ is exposed as a 'deviant; or corrupt, he hires a hit-man then converts to Christianity.

Ironically, Prostitution, as we allllll know, is perfectly legal in parts of Nevada. Had any of these men (or women) just travelled to Nevada to conduct their business, would any of us care?

...And that includes Bill Clinton too. Would have saved us 8 years of Republican Mal-fuck-tions if ol' Billy had just hit the Mustang Ranch.

Now let's all just close our eyes and imagine several MIB's storming into her Mom's Home, dragging her into the storage shed, stringing her up by a noose, waiting then walking away. Creepy...

Definately not your daddy's Oldsmobile!

"Nothing to see here. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. You are free to do as we tell you. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this shit. You are free to do as we tell you!"

Bill Hicks' words run through my head all the time.

You shouldn't tie Vitter to this, you partisan. Who knows who all was on that list? Probably bipartisan representation.

Posted by MrFair

We all know that the republicans like women and all the dems like boys. What are you thinking?

We all know that the republicans like women and all the dems like boys. What are you thinking?

Posted by Sniper

With all the repubs bein' busted with gay sex in public bathrooms-gay sex with underage boys-and whatnot-I really think you should re-consider your "retort".......

We all know that the republicans like women and all the dems like boys. What are you thinking?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-01 10:03 PM

That explains why Chimpy needed surgery on his ass after Gannon dilated it over 200 times.

Reminds me of Vince Foster's so-called suicide. Someone should be questioning the Clintons, who would be the usual suspects in cases like this.

Yeah...like she's facing 55 years in prison from the govt and she wouldn't take every govt person on that list down with her?

...then kill herself in prison? Give me a break. And how many women actually hang themselves? Not many.

I knew she'd end up dead before the trial when I first heard about her.

We all know that the republicans like women and all the dems like boys. What are you thinking?

~SNiPA (Simply Not Paying Attention)

They say even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

That's two more times than SNiPA.

Be Well.

And how many women actually hang themselves? Not many.

How many jets crash? Not many. I guess it can't happen.

If this woman was offed before she could publicize a list, don't you think it would've been done a few weeks ago when she was in the headlines? I mean, she has had a long time to get a list together, give it to someone with the instructions "open upon my death" or whatever.

OOPS. that makes too much sense for the DR. Sorry. Please return to your regularly scheduled conspiracy.

Goatman-
re: OOPS. that makes too much sense for the DR. Sorry. Please return to your regularly scheduled conspiracy.

I think either Bill Clinton tried to rape her, or she and Hillary were having a lesbian affair. It's just one more in the Clinton body trail, so what's the surprise?
:)

OK goatman...instead of taking sliming hypocritical politicians who worked within the system giving her 55 years down with her...

She hung herself.

It IS possible, but it goes against the grain. Big time.

Yeah, the list has been publicized, but the MSM isn't doing the homework on it. The blogs uncovered a lot of names on it.

DC Madame was gonna come right out and name those people in the trial. Let's hope she left "in case I die" instructions somewhere the DC police couldn't find...

Sam Donaldsons # was in the escort records, in case anyone hadn't heard that.

Also on the list:

Deputy Secretary of State Randall Tobias
R-LA Senator David Vitter

BTW...She was only facing 71 months in prison (I know, I know.... But still not 55 years. And with good behavior...(I know, I know)

I just hope that Judas Priest escapes scrutiny this time around.

Why would Vitter care? He was outed--His wife and him dealt with the pain--even before he was outed publicly.

The voters will decide if he stays or goes.

The cops will investigate and come to some conclusion--if she was "helped"--it'll be trouble galour.

Murphy

It IS possible, but it goes against the grain.

It is more unbelievable that someone who would want her dead would wait several weeks -- giving her plenty time to get that list out everywhere.

But a conspiracy of murder is much, much juicier news than a woman who admitted publicly she would never go back to prison would hang herself.


"We love dirty laundry"

Don Henley

BuffaloBob

You are wrong. You were not the first to bring this conspiracy theory up.

"Leave it to bOoB to create a conspiracy!

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-01 05:25 PM "

Yes, I was the first to bring this up and I'm the only one who has said she was probably murdered. It's MY creation, and you are here to dance.

Dance little puppet dance.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-01 08:39 PM


You were not the first one to say this at all, BuffaloBob.
I said it hours before she was most likely murdered as can see from my post below.

Somebody "helped" her commit suicide.
She knew too much about too many powerful people in DC who would have been, let's say, very inconvenienced should she ever have decided to write some "tell-all" book while in prison.

(QUOTE)

The DC Madam signed her own death warrant with that statement.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-01 02:16 PM

So YOU dance for me!

Dance for me, Buffalo, tap your hoofs for your Puppetmaster. (grin)

How "convenient" for the Republican Senator David Vitter and other DC insiders.

Posted by taxman

huh?

Vitter came out months ago, didn't have to testify. (didn't have to come out for that matter) The court trial is said and done except for the sentencing.

So what the hell does Vitter have to do with it?

So YOU dance for me!

Dance for me, Buffalo, tap your hoofs for your Puppetmaster. (grin)

I do believe I beat you by 19 minutes... credit where credit is due good sir! :)

Califchris

Sarcasm

I could obviously see all the previous posts, as could Goatman. I was responding to his post at 5:25. I even posted his post before I responded to it?

This is the 2nd woman to hang herself during this mess. The last was call girl Brandy Britton. What are the chances two women involved in the same case both chose hanging as a method of suicide? Especially since women very rarely hang themselves?

What are the chances two women involved in the same case both chose hanging as a method of suicide?

1/Vh^2

where Vh=Victim of hanging

Goatman- Being argumentative or not, you have to admit this becomes less probable the more we hear about it. Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

She also told alex jones that she would NEVER kill herself, and if she was found in that position, it was murder.

But keep making jokes and playing the pain in the ass contrarian, goatman.

It seems unlikely, but certainly not out of the a realistic realm of possibility.

Surely you too must admit that if someone wanted these women offed that they would've done it as soon as the story broke instead of waiting several weeks allowing the madame ample time to compile a list, labeling it "to be opened upon my untimely death", and distributing it?

Or are we dealing with assassins with no sense of urgency?

She also told alex jones that she would NEVER kill herself, and if she was found in that position, it was murder

She also told the press she would never return to prison.

Alex Jones? Please.

But keep making jokes and playing the pain in the ass contrarian, goatman.

And you, Alex, keep playing the conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers.

Alex

This is the 2nd woman to hang herself during this mess. The last was call girl Brandy Britton. What are the chances two women involved in the same case both chose hanging as a method of suicide? Especially since women very rarely hang themselves?

Same hit man was used for both?

She never got to finish releasing names, goatman.

It just seems really WEIRD that two women in the same trial would HANG THEMSELVES(a rare choice for women) since one of them went on the radio saying if she died it wasn't suicide.

And most of the #'s are from the 90's and difficult to track down on their own. Wouldn't be hard to block records and/or find any "time capsules" Palfrey might have dropped.

To be honest I'm not sure what happened, but I don't immediately buy that she killed herself. Call me skeptical given the circumstances.

And I've NEVER heard of a woman offing herself in a SHED before. That's something my gender would do.

So Alex -- I answered your question about odds and such. Would you be kind enough as to reciprocate and answer my 2:22 that was meant for you?

keep playing the conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

You really ARE just being an asshole today, goat. I already said I didn't know what happened, just that it was very fishy to me.

Alex Jones? Please.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Yeah,. I think he's a nut too. But guess what? She told him in no uncertain terms that she'd never kill herself.

If you don't count that for something, you really are just being a contrarian.

So Alex -- I answered your question about odds and such.

Go play with buffalo bob. That's as serious as you're being...and the way you're treating me right now.

"Alex Jones? Please."

Alex Jones is batshit crazy. But if there is a recorded interview it doesn't matter who she said it to.

Suicide note was found. It'll be easy for a graphologist to determine if it was written under duress.

But if there is a recorded interview it doesn't matter who she said it to.

Was there one with Alex Jones?

Rein posted the transcript of one in his 2:26 post from Time magazine. I trust Time before i trust Alex Jones. Your milage may vary

Suicide note was found. It'll be easy for a graphologist to determine if it was written under duress.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

And then there's an autopsy as well. I said I didn't know for sure what the truth was, goat. So spare me the "conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers" bullshit.

Go play with buffalo bob. That's as serious as you're being...and the way you're treating me right now.

Poor cop out, Alex. I answered your question in good faith and without sarcasm at 2:22. I asked you one in the same manner and you come up with this weak cop out.

That's fine. that pretty much tacitly answers my question anyway. You cannot explain why she was not offed earlier if it was indeed a malevolent act.

So spare me the "conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers" bullshit.

I will if you spare me the But keep making jokes and playing the pain in the ass contrarian, goatman. bullshit (which came first, BTW). Deal?

You cannot explain why she was not offed earlier if it was indeed a malevolent act.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I said she hadn't released all the names yet. And a cop out is the reverse of what you're meaning it to be. Popular usage has ruined the term.

Look, since you weren't here during the wars I had with Buffalo bob over 9-11 I'll cut you some slack. But know this...I and many others spent god knows how many days debunking his every dumb ass 9-11 conspiracy long before you took up permanent residence in his colon.

So don't even put me in the same category with that guy. You WERE being a smartass contrarian, and I'm sorry if I don't immediately buy the MSM's lazy reporting on an odd suicide right away.

I require proof. Like an autopsy perhaps.

It just seems really WEIRD that two women in the same trial would HANG THEMSELVES(a rare choice for women) since one of them went on the radio saying if she died it wasn't suicide.


It's not as weird as you think. Read a book called "innumeracy" which explains how these seemingly impossible random acts are mathematically not so unlikely.

An example has happened on my rig. We had the fleet record for no lost time incidents. But starting last February, we have had 6 of them. In one, a man lost his foot. Also, surely you've heard the old saying "things come in threes". This book explains why this is true (not necessarily threes, but in groups.) Conspiracists hate the cold, hard, unbudging reality of numbers, but you can't get around them.

So don't even put me in the same category with that guy.

I didn't Alex. Where did you come up with this?

Conspiracists hate the cold, hard, unbudging reality of numbers, but you can't get around them.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:49 AM | Reply | Flag

I am not a 'conspiracis't.

You WERE being a smartass contrarian,

I only answered you in kind, Alex. PGUP and re-read if you don't agree.

What was so contrary to my request at 2:22 except that you did not want to deal with a little bit of common sense -- making it contrary to what you believed.

"keep playing the conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers."

Goat...that IS bob. LOL.

I am not a 'conspiracis't.

OK. Replace "conspiracist" with "one who embraces an conspiracy".

Better?

Goat...that IS bob. LOL.

Yes?

What part of "I don't know what happened" means I have embraced a conspiracy, goat? I remain skeptical, but have not taken the position that she was murdered. Nor will I until I see some actual evidence.

I was asking you questions about likelihood and commenting that this seemed fishy to me. At no time did I declare with total certainty that this woman was murdered.

You're just trolling now. Bye.

And you, Alex, keep playing the conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

So don't even put me in the same category with that guy.

I didn't Alex. Where did you come up with this?

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Conspiracists hate the cold, hard, unbudging reality of numbers, but you can't get around them.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:49 AM | Reply | Flag


I am not a 'conspiracis't.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-05-02 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK. Replace "conspiracist" with "one who embraces an conspiracy".

Better?

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:56 AM | Reply | Flag

Asshole.

You're just trolling now. Bye.

Bye.

BTW, sorry I misconstued this, and several other posts. To me this (and several other posts) reads as if you think she did not kill herself and that a conspiracy was involved.

She also told alex jones that she would NEVER kill herself, and if she was found in that position, it was murder.

My bad. I'll learn to interpret your posts better in the future.

Damn dude, I only said it 2 or 3 times. That I didn't know, but the whole thing smelled bad.

Asshole.

Descending into the depths of namecalling after a several post tete-a-tete says it all.

Nice ending touch, Alex.

There's also the fact that hanging oneself isn't so easy. If you use the wrong rope, don't drop enough, or calculate wrong any number of things can happen.

Rope cuts into neck decapitating you. Whatever you tied the rope to, or the rope itself, can break and you just fall tot he ground.

I had some EMT friends that got a few calls from failed hangings.(all guys of course) It also takes knowing how to tie a noose, and some physical strength.

Certainly less reliable than putting a gun in your mouth. Also more painful than cutting an artery open. That is, if your neck doesn't break right away.

And you, Alex, keep playing the conspiratorial left wing hack who won't consider common sense answers.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

A direct response to snark from you, Alex. This makes me an asshole?
==================
So don't even put me in the same category with that guy.

I didn't Alex. Where did you come up with this?

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

True statement. This makes me an asshole?
==================
Conspiracists hate the cold, hard, unbudging reality of numbers, but you can't get around them.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-02 02:49 AM | Reply | Flag

Another true statement. This makes me an asshole?
==================
I am not a 'conspiracis't.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-05-02 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK. Replace "conspiracist" with "one who embraces an conspiracy".

OK, I was wrong. You are not a conspiracist. I call you a conspiracist, you call me an asshole. Which would most people find the more offensive of the two?
=================
Asshole.

There's also the fact that hanging oneself isn't so easy. If you use the wrong rope, don't drop enough, or calculate wrong any number of things can happen.

Rope cuts into neck decapitating you. Whatever you tied the rope to, or the rope itself, can break and you just fall tot he ground.

I had some EMT friends that got a few calls from failed hangings.(all guys of course) It also takes knowing how to tie a noose, and some physical strength.

Certainly less reliable than putting a gun in your mouth. Also more painful than cutting an artery open. That is, if your neck doesn't break right away.

But still not outside the realm of possibility. I still think if it was malfeasance, it would've been commited earlier so that the good madame would not have time to distribute her list. But I'm not an assassin. What do I know?

re hanging scenarios: IOW, the alleged assassins were too stupid to fake a suicide?

Further down that page is more current data which I did not see the first time. Hanging statistics are 22.7% for men vs 20.2% for women.

I really don't think the difference is large enough to use the "hanging is a man's suicide method" as an element to the conspiracy. Sorry.

Goatman

Your stats (19.7 percent for women) not only included "hanging" but also included "suffocation" and "strangulation" in that same 19.7 percent category.

Letting the car run in a closed garage until one "suffocated" from carbon monoxide is a method women would use far more than actually hanging themselves from the end of a rope yet that form of suicide is lumped into the 19.7 percent too (as it is considered "suffocation"). Most women do not literally "hang" themselves when committing suicide but would use "suffocation" as a means of suicide -- all considered the same for the 19.7 percent statistic.

I would think one would need a link that proved actual "hanging" as the sole method of suicide without "suffocation and strangulation" added into the same category in order to make an accurate analysis.

Geeze, what a gruesome subject. Think I'll go in and watch the rest of today's Lou Dobbs' rerun on CNN now and let others ghoul it out on here. (Pardon the intentional pun.)

Isn't CO condsidered poisoning, not suffocation?

. I still think if it was malfeasance, it would've been commited earlier so that the good madame would not have time to distribute her list.

If she had been found to have committed "suicide" much earlier when the news about her being the DC Madame first broke in the news -- and before she was even on trial and given a long prison sentence -- it would have looked much more suspicious and obvious. By waiting until she was given a long prison sentence that gave an excuse for her "suicide" to look all the more feasible.

Immediately committing "suicide" right away would have looked odd. Plus, the person (if there was one) who was given the list of the DC Madam's clients to hold as a sort of an "insurance policy" to prevent physical harm happening to the DC Madam is now definitely going to the one person who will now shut up and say nothing AND get rid of that client list. Otherwise that person too will be found to have "committed suicide" by hanging.

You need to watch more detective shows, Goat. We've got to get you a television at home! (grin)

You need to watch more detective shows, Goat.

Actually, it sounds like I should be watching more of bob's youtube.com videos.

Funny though how you use the exact same arguement as to the timing of her death as evidence of malfeasance that could be used convincingly that her death was a suicide: It was after she found out about her potentially lengthy prison sentence that she became so depressed that she committed suicide.

I also feel that the fact that two of the women died of the same cause is indeed evidence AGAINST malfeasance. Would the alleged murderer be so stupid as to hang both women if a statistical anamoly was caused by this? I think not.

It's sort of like Sharon Stone in the movie, "Basic Instinct": Would she have been stupid enough to commit a murder that was identical to one that she had written about in a book? Not likely.

From BBC dated 1May08

'DC Madam' found dead in Florida

Ms Palfrey's agency was used by a number of senior US officials ..... She was convicted on 15 April of running a prostitution ring, money laundering and mail fraud......... This would be the second time that someone involved in the scandal has committed suicide.

I don't just make this shit up. The truth is way better.

bani, you left out Vince Foster.

Now let's see, she was getting ready to drop a dime......and now she's dead, an apparent suicide!

RIIIIIIIIIGHT!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
*!

Goatman

Funny though how you use the exact same argument as to the timing of her death as evidence of malfeasance that could be used convincingly that her death was a suicide:

Funny, perhaps, but my argument used as to the timing of her death has more validity in that on order to make her "suicide" more believable her commit suicide have had to have been done AFTER she had received a 50 plus years prison sentence, not before. Those who wanted her out of the way and shut up would have had to have a good reason for it to appear she took her life.

Also, now with the political primaries on the front page and more current news stories popping up every day the story of the DC Madam is no longer in the headlines. The DC Madam's unfortunate "suicide" will merely gather a few lines of newsprint -- just as her killer(s) planned. (grin)

As for your comment --

Would the alleged murderer be so stupid as to hang both women if a statistical anamoly was caused by this? I think not.

Maybe the hit man wanted to intentionally make it look as one woman copied the other -- a copycat killing. Often done in suicides of famous or well-known people. Also, hit men are not known to be candidates for MENSA membership.

her commit suicide = her committing suicide

whoop, not Jody, but Vince ~ veri funi!lol

My mistake. I said 50 years in prison but she had not been sentenced yet for mail fraud.

Watch the video in the link to this story of the DC Madam. Really casts doubt that she committed suicide.

Of course she would have automatically appealed after she was sentenece and that would have allowed even more possible names of her clients to be released during her appeal proceedings. From the article -

There has been much speculation in the media about who was on Palfrey's client list, but few details came out during the trial.

I don't know, Chris. The record on appeal can't be more than the evidence introduced, or offered, at trial. I doubt new names would have come out simply because she would have appealed. (My guess is that, if she was murdered, it was because she was trying to blackmail one or more of her clients. Not saying this is what happened, just that this is a more likely scenario than worries about an appeal.)

Montecore

Good point. To get an appeal they would have to show an error committed at the first trial in order to justify an appeal, right? So, if none were committed, it would have been harder for her to get one. But, let's say her lawyer did find grounds for appeal, does that mean no new evidence can be brought into her trial on appeal? Only the initial evidence presented during the first trial can be presented in a trial on appeal? Just curious.

(My guess is that, if she was murdered, it was because she was trying to blackmail one or more of her clients.

Perhaps she was trying to blackmail/pressure a few well-connected of her clients into having them insure she didn't do time in prison and threatened to expose them if she did. Obviously now she would be facing prison time as she was going to be sentenced for mail fraud so perhaps whomever she had threatened figured it was now time to shut her up.

Plus, while the DC Madam was in prison she would have a lot of extra time to fume and be angry and possibly write a tell-all book. We've got elections coming up and who know which politicians were listed in her little black book. I love mysteries! (grin)

I'm sorry - I may have misunderstood. Yes, if there is an appeal and a new trial is granted, then new evidence may be offered at that retrial.

Snipes' attorneys to appeal tax conviction, 3-year sentence
1 hour ago

OCALA, Fla. (AP) -- Lawyers for Wesley Snipes have filed notice to appeal his federal tax conviction.

The 45-year-old action star was sentenced to three years in prison last week on three misdemeanor counts of willful failure to file his income tax returns. He will remain free until he's ordered to surrender by the federal Bureau of Prisons.

Snipes' attorneys filed the notice Thursday for the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. They indicated last week they would do so. The two-page filing doesn't specify the nature of their argument.

Snipes was acquitted of five other counts in February, including two felonies.

His films include the "Blade" trilogy and "Jungle Fever



speaking of appeals...

Wonder when Wesley's going to commit suicide, too?:>/

If she had been found to have committed "suicide" much earlier when the news about her being the DC Madame first broke in the news -- and before she was even on trial and given a long prison sentence -

Posted by CalifChris

As you know, she had not been sentenced. Most people in the know think she would have been out in less than 10 years.

It does seem strange that she is the second lady mixed up in this scandel that has done herself in. You don't f**k with people in high places. Little humor there.

SNIPER

As you know, she had not been sentenced. Most people in the know think she would have been out in less than 10 years.

Funny you should say that now. Minutes ago I just got done seeing a short clip on this story on CNN. They said she probably would have only received 5 years for mail fraud! All the more reason she would not have committed suicide.

But to me here is the main thing that makes me feel she was murdered:

Unless she hated her elderly Mother, she would not have hung herself in the backyard shed of her Mom's home where her Mom would have been (and was!) the one to find her body daughter's body hanging by a nylon rope. The DC Madma would have rented a garage, found a tree in some out of the way area -- (((anywhere))) -- but not at her Mom's own home. I know when people commit suicide they are not thinking straight but I really doubt she would intentionally have put her mother thru the shocking experience of having to discover her hanging body. That is one of the main reasons I believe someone killed her. The killer could have cared less if her Mom found her body or not.

Your comment is right:

You don't f**k with people in high places. Little humor there.

Don't fuck with them, and if you're not going to keep your mouth shut -- don't fuck them at all. You can get in a lot of trouble that way. Ask the DC Madam. Hey, just ask Marilyn Monroe who was going to do some talking about the Kennedy brothers.

Madma = Madam

But to me here is the main thing that makes me feel she was murdered:

Unless she hated her elderly Mother, she would not have hung herself in the backyard shed of her Mom's home where her Mom would have been (and was!) the one to find her body daughter's body hanging by a nylon rope

Well, time to open up the case on the death of my grandfather. He (supposedly) committed suicide in his bedroom on Easter Sunday morning. He was a doctor who could have gone to his clinic and shot himself up with morphine. But no, he did it in the bedroom with a 12 guage with the entire family in the front room, so obviously it was a family member who discovered him seconds after having heard the gun go off.

Using CC's logic, I guess he was murdered.

Did the lady change her mind? Or was this an assisted suicide? Where is Kervorkian?

Goatman

But no, he did it in the bedroom with a 12 guage with the entire family in the front room, so obviously it was a family member who discovered him seconds after having heard the gun go off.

Using CC's logic, I guess he was murdered.

Maybe your Grandfather fit into this portion of my sentence which I'm sure you "accidentally" overlooked (g)--

...I know when people commit suicide they are not thinking straight...

Maybe that's why your Grandfather did not care where he did it or who found him afterward. You then have to ask yourself -- what can make one "not think straight." Other things affecting how and where one commits suicide also come into play. Was the DC Madam's mind clear thinking when she killed herself. Was your grandfather's? Consideration must be given as to whether or not drugs or alcohol or other mitigating factors would have made the one committing suicide not consider where the suicide was committed or who found him/her. Each suicide is different.

With people committing suicide you have many things to deal with as to the manner in which they took their life. Was one person who committed suicide under the influence of mind altering substances, and another was not, was one in a deep depression and the other was not.

Also, if the one committing suicide wanted (for whatever personal reason -- perhaps revenge on a particlar family member) to make sure someone in the family did find their body then all those varying mental factors play a part. An autopsy will show those findings re the DC Madam as to whether she was under the influence of drugs or alcohol - IF we are allowed to see the reported findings.

Many years ago, a close family friend of my parents was going to divorce his wife as he had met someone else. My folks knew both he and his wife for many years. When his wife found out about his affair she swallowed rat poison (which everyone felt was an attempt to make him stay in the marriage). Her husband found her and rushed her to the hospital where they pumped her stomach and she was released and came back home. The husband told her he still planned to go thru with the divorce. Shortly thereafter she swallowed rat poison again -- on Christmas Eve. This time it worked. She left three very young children without their Mother. You can never really get into the mind of the one who feels so hurt and/or worthless they no longer want to live.

CC, we wouldn't think you were the goatman. Way different.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-01 07:47 PM

I'm sure Goatman will be more than relieved to read those words. As for "way different" -- well, more different than you will ever know. (grin)

"...So YOU dance for me!
Dance for me, Buffalo, tap your hoofs for your Puppetmaster. (grin)

- CalifChris"

I do believe I beat you by 19 minutes... credit where credit is due good sir! :)

Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-05-02 12:26 AM


So you did, IraqiBukkake, as seen by your post below.
My apologies to you for not first doing a PGUP!

Suicide.

Bull fucking shit.

Just like Vince Foster killed himself.
Just like Riad Hamad killed himself.
Just like Gary Webb killed himself.

Queue the mother in 5 minutes saying something like, "Well, she was depressed..."

Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2008-05-01 01:57 PM

she was killed..she didn't commit suicide.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-02 04:00 PM

This time it worked. She left three very young children without their Mother. You can never really get into the mind of the one who feels so hurt and/or worthless they no longer want to live.

Califchris

Sarcasm

I could obviously see all the previous posts, as could Goatman. I was responding to his post at 5:25. I even posted his post before I responded to it?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-02 12:48 AM

Of course you idiots would come up with some loony conspiracy because you can't believe that the pent-up guilt of this immoral whore finally caused her to do the noble thing.

Now maybe some of you God-hating communists should do the world a favor and follow her lead.




PS: I'M BAAAAAAACK