It might even go as far as deterring those not eligible to vote from voting.

USof KKKA?

In theory I don't have any issue with having to prove you are (1) who you say you are, and (2) eligible to vote, just as long as issues such as elderly and poor having access to the ID's are adequately addressed.

You expected Scalito and Robmas to vote FOR constitutional rights? herm

and they voted against them how. Please explain

I think KW is pulling my leg. "Your papers, please" was the most commonly heard phrase on the streets of Dresden in 1938. herm

It's amazing (or not)how the libs are out in force against this. I smella skunk.

I just do not understand. This country was founded on the rule of law and the sanctity of the vote.

If all the elections were sooo clean and without fraud why are the Dems. so upset? Why is having you to show a valid drivers license such a big deal? Could it be that they were counting on illegal votes? or maybe all the people they stuffed the ballot boxes before (can you say Florida and hanging chads?) ( or is this the real reason they want illegal aliens to have a drivers license!)

Well - no more illegals, or dead people, or multiple votes (at least not easily)...that should drop the democratic roles by at least 10%

The Skunk smells Himself first.

Larry Mohr

Lar...you're relentless. "The skunk smells himself"...pretty damned creative. Let's face it. You're a liberal, right? You don't support the basic agreement that all voters, Dem, Rep, Indy should show an ID to eliminate voter fraud? Is this correct? Why?

Posted by herm at 2008-04-28 02:43 PM

You expected Scalito and Robmas to vote FOR constitutional rights? herm

I'm wondering why "minorities" particularly, would be deterred from voting by the voter ID requirement. Oh, the ineligible wannabe "minority voters" would be detrred, and that's unfair. Of course. If it isn't done the Democrat way, it's bad.

Let's see there are some voters who simply don't have an ID are You wanting to disenfranchise them from voting simply because they lack the ID?? Oh and Pray tell where it says that one must show ID when filling out a voter registration Card/Slip?? Last time I checked there was no such agreement on the form.

Larry Mohr

Nothing personal, but ID verification is up to individual states. They haven't been able to address voter fraud by a fair ID plan due to lawsuits from the ACLU who are but a branch of the liberal democrat party. I'm convinced there is no scheme to deny any citizen a constitutional right to vote. It is an attempt to eliminate cheating. Why are you so against it, again I ask?

Larry is right. Some people don't have valid IDs.

However, in this day and age, it can't be very many. Plus, the government is willing to issue valid IDs to those who need them, and probably free of charge.

So, what's the beef Larry? Are you afraid of fair elections?

No....Larry supports unchecked voter fraud....'cause he knows it has been mainly benefiting his liberal cause. Any means is justified.

So, what's the beef Larry? Are you afraid of fair elections?

Posted by Republican4ever

Most libs are for fraud in an election as long as they win.

Goddamn it, Sniper. You never fail to show, each and every day, what a GOP hack idiot you are.

Where is that loser Larry, anyway? We're waiting for an answer. I think we've gottem' treed on this one.

If the Cons are so gung ho for fair elections why are they so dead set against electronic voting machines leaving a paper trail?

Despite unanimously supporting a bill in committee two weeks ago that would provide federal funds to local governments to pay for recounts and paper trails, House Republicans have reversed course and blocked the bill from receiving an up-or-down vote. This move ensures two things, and two things only: a) the accusations of fraud that marred the 2000 and 2004 elections will continue, and b) the GOP shows once and for all that they have nothing but contempt for our democracy and free and fair elections.

Politico:

Voting rights activists who hoped the federal government would help local governments pay for paper trails and audits for electronic voting machines have gone from elation to frustration as they watched Republicans who supported such a proposal in committee vote against bringing it to the House floor.

When New Jersey Democratic Rep. Rush Holt's Emergency Assistance for Secure Elections Act came up for a vote in the House Administration Committee on April 2, the Republicans on the committee gave it their unanimous support. But two weeks later, those same Republican members voted against moving the bill to the House floor. It would have taken a two-thirds vote to push the bill to the floor; with most House Republicans opposed, the bill didn't make it that far.

Tin foil hats aside, what possible reason could the GOP have for opposing such a measure? 2000 and 2004 have left such a bitter taste in the electorate's mouth that this seems like a no-brainer.

Goddamn it, Sniper. You never fail to show, each and every day, what a GOP hack idiot you are.
~MONTECORE


GOP hack, yea that too.

Hey R4E are You for disanfranchising oters who do not believe in ID's because of their disdin for the Government such as the elderly those folks who live in the rural backwoods places in America?? I mean come on really.

Larry Mohr

Oh and BusyB keep talking out of Your ass some more and I won't answer You. Your breath stinks.

Larry Mohr

ID's, not necessarily driver's licenses, are about $5.00 here in N.C. The argument that something like this would "stop" the poor from voting is stupid. There are MANY ways to prove your identity. Unless you arent actually a citizen. And if you are too poor to afford a $5.00 id..well, it says something about the person. They have had all these years to get one...

Nothing personal, but ID verification is up to individual states. They haven't been able to address voter fraud by a fair ID plan due to lawsuits from the ACLU who are but a branch of the liberal democrat party. I'm convinced there is no scheme to deny any citizen a constitutional right to vote. It is an attempt to eliminate cheating. Why are you so against it, again I ask?

Posted by BusyB

I didn't know we had a liberal democrat party.

larry....please accept my apology...I was just trying to shame you back to the table. You know, you started the nastiness first w/ your seemingly thou art smarter than you attitude. I don't accept that...I don't think you're that bright, especially based on your opinions and politics. I will humbly accept your apology though.

Really Larry, you've got to do better than that. If they have such disdain for the government, why would they even care about voting? You swung and missed. Strike one.

"I'm convinced there is no scheme to deny any citizen a constitutional right to vote."
posted by BUSYB

This statement is so fucking ridiculous. If one actually take the time to read through the constitution (something I'm sure none of the socialists on here are interested in), there is NO reference to the right to vote for citizens. None. They do protect the right of the electorate to vote, but not the citizens. If you can provide me something that I missed, please let me know.

No person has a right to vote. It has been a practice protected by our government from the beginning for sure, but it is not protected by the our founding document. I know a lot of people are going to argue this saying that's not that the founding fathers meant. Well, I would say that it is what they meant as it is what they recorded.

If you do not have a valid ID then go get one. A pretty simple solution to the so called problem. I JUST took my 92 year old blind mother to get hers and it cost her NOTHING is IOWA; senior citizen you know. An amazing concept I would say.

Disenfranchising my ass!!! The only disenfranchising there is would be when all those unregistered voters show up and vote and then I AM disenfranchised.

This is a win, win for everybody, except for those who want to cheat the system.

WONDERFUL!!!

You really ARE dumb BusyB. If You declare Me stupid and or not too bright. Why then would You ask Me for My opinion?? If I am as dumb as a bag of rocks you wouldn't get any meaningful information therefore You would be wasting mine and your times asking for My opinion.

Larry Mohr

I was just trying to save you face Larry. The fact is, I'm really enthralled by your perspective, and truely desire your opinion. I don't understand why you think like you do.

Hey if You are so enthralled by Me BusyB. I can pencil You in for next tuesday if You so desire.

Larry Mohr

The Headline should read "Common sense prevails."

There is no legitimate rationale for being against a law requiring voters to identify themselves.

All of the states with these laws have provisions for the poor to get them free, and the argument that some folks are befuddled by it all to get one leads to another concern. Why would we want people that stupid voting?

Oh, I get it, maybe the dumb ones will actually believe the crap that politicians say.. like raising your taxes is going to help you somehow.

Iraqis with purple thumbs think that if you can't
provide ID when voting YOU ARE A PUSSY (Larry).

How the fuck can anybody think it unreasonable to
ascertain WHO CAN & WHO CANNOT vote is extreme?

Answer: the same useless asswipes that think Reverend
Wright is a really neato guy.

"If the Cons are so gung ho for fair elections why are they so dead set against electronic voting machines leaving a paper trail?"

Let's not go confusing conservatives with Republicans. That's simply not true. Most conservatives would like that paper trail, but the Republican party is that which refuses to hear it's people (which is how they ended up with McCain as their nominee).

This is going to stop a lot of the dem base from voting, including felons, illegal aliens, and dead people.

Goddamn it, Sniper. You never fail to show, each and every day, what a GOP hack idiot you are.

Posted by mOntecOre

Pull your ass back down to earth and tell me what's wrong with having to show an ID before you vote.

I guess you are in favor of "vote early and vote often".

I kinda lean towards "vote once each election".

What do you think mon?

"What do you think mon?"

Any proof of massive voter fraud based on no photo IDs?

Other than Ann Coulter, of course.

Yes Dan4th....there are plenty accounts of dems cheating in mass. Take a few and look it up yourself. You know as well as everyone that the reason you defy the inevitable is 'cause you're on the cheaters' side. Get out he vote, but vote one time, and preferably while you're still alive....and, no,... dogs can't vote either..Why is this an issue with you? What's wrong w/ fair, honest elections?

It might even go as far as deterring those not eligible to vote from voting.

Posted by kwrx25 at 2


well then we all know what side of this the dems will come down on then....so where does the dems and the aclu go after this.....HEY maybe they can get barrywaynehussein's buddy...that old terrorist ayers to blow up a couple of SDOT offices.

In theory I don't have any issue with having to prove you are (1) who you say you are, and (2) eligible to vote, just as long as issues such as elderly and poor having access to the ID's are adequately addressed.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue



WHAT......UH? oops excuse me....this sort of reasoned and logical thinking from the left on this issue.....it threw me for a minute....
GET READY SAR>.......I agree with you..( OH SHIT THAT HAD TO HURT).....and if you have no ID isnt that the first step towards a vagrant violation?

and look...this is not another poll tax or poll test like the old days.....

"cause you're on the cheaters' side."

When have Independents cheated?

"Take a few and look it up yourself. "

Sorry, if you make the claim, you do the research.

Republican party is that which refuses to hear it's people (which is how they ended up with McCain as their nominee).

Posted by pinkie at 2008-04-28 09:06 PM | Repl


I think what was MUCH more a part of his nomination was all those primaries where dems and independents voted for him and by the time he got 'down heh' it was basically all over and it deprived us of all the FUN that the dems are having.....yuk yuk.

I find it reprehensible that democrats won't stand up against the banks and check cashing stands that make these same poor and elderly people show I.D. and give thumbprints. I am appaled that the left could show such a blind eye.

Of course. If it isn't done the Democrat way, it's bad.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-04-28 07:36 PM | Reply

This makes it kinda hard to round up derelicts and haul them to 20 different precincts to vote for Dems in exchange for a pint if vodka and a pack of smokes.

How will Democrats maintain their edge in Detroit, Philly or Milwaukee?

"How will Democrats maintain their edge in Detroit, Philly or Milwaukee?"

They'll run against Republicans.

The issue came up in Texas about IDs and it was agreed that they would be provided for free of charge. I simply don't see anything wrong with anything that prevents voter fraud as long as it doesn't cost the voter anything.

It's so funny that the liberals are the ones against this issue, yet is is they who scream the loudest about voter fraud when they lose an election.

"It's so funny that the liberals are the ones against this issue, yet is is they who scream the loudest about voter fraud when they lose an election."

Just as funny as the cons being all for this, but all against paper trails.

I think that is a very big step in the RIGHT direction , next should be stopping the illegals from driving , sending their dead asses back to shitsico , if you are not an American citizen , you don't get any entitlements , your anchor baby if you are illegal when you pop the bastard , it is illegal as well and not entitled to anything , they are fucking theives from birth .Fuck em .

Just as funny as the cons being all for this, but all against paper trails.

If paper trails help prevent fraud and don't cost teh voter anything (which it wouldn't, i don't think) I'm all for that, too.

If paper trails help prevent fraud and don't cost teh voter anything

It all costs, including "free" ID's. Someone's paying - and that someone's US. Some things are worth it, like ensuring the vote legitimately cast by someone can legitimately be counted.

It all costs, including "free" ID's.

Yes it does, but you'll notice I said "voter" shouldn't pay as opposed to taxpayer. IOW, I have no problem with the taxpayers picking up the tab so that Mr and Ms No-driver's-license can get a government issued ID.

Just as funny as the cons being all for this, but all against paper trails.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-04-28 10:21 PM

I beg to disagree, Danforth. I, for one, am all for paper trails. Especially if it means providing the states with the necessary tools to conduct an accurate re-count.

Aw horse shit !

Even those despicable minorities are aware of the photo id requirement.

Those that cannot comply with the state's law shouldn't vote... ditto the assholes who will vote for Billary in the primary and then for BcBush in the general.

" I, for one, am all for paper trails."

Well, counting you, that makes one Republican.

Democrats basically go with fair elections, including paper trails, because they lack the financial incentive to cheat that is inherent in Republicanos,m. Demos back fairness because it's nice. Reps are for UNfairness, because they're corrupted by corporate profits. herm

financial incentive to cheat that is inherent in Republicanos,m. Demos back fairness because it's nice. Reps are for UNfairness, because they're corrupted by corporate profits. herm

LOL. Those poor, poor, Dems. I wonder how the Clintons got by on only $110 M last year. And the democratic war chest is practically empty. The dems are never, ever corrupt. Those nice dems.

I love hearing about your fantasy world, herm. It always brings a smile to my face

"I wonder how the Clintons got by on only $110 M last year."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that figure was for the last seven years, not just last year.

You are right. My bad.

What's to keep someone from obtaining a fake ID? Are the poll workers sufficiently qualified to confirm IDs?

Also: there's never been a successful voter fraud case made in regards to illegal voting.

I find it a travesty that, although there hasn't been such a successful case made that the SCOTUS wants to avoid such a thing from ever happening. In other words, a law is set up to prevent something that has never been proven. YET, when citizens try to sue so that Americans cannot be secretly wiretapped without a warrant, they are denied justice because the Justice Department claims that nobody can PROVE they're being secretly wiretapped therefore there is no civil rights violation therefore no law is needed.

But they don't use politics in their decisions, no way, no how.

BTW, anybody wanna buy a bridge?

What's to keep someone from obtaining a fake ID? Are the poll workers sufficiently qualified to confirm IDs?

As if a single person is going to go to the trouble to get a fake ID and risk prosecution so he can cast a vote. Get real.

What's to keep someone from breaking the locks on your doors and stealing your stuff? Nothing. So why do you use locks?

Also: there's never been a successful voter fraud case made in regards to illegal voting.

Really? I don't even have to research this. I remember in the '88 election, there were dozens of illegally cast in Dallas County when I was living there.

I don't see what the big deal is for libs. Once Obama gets into office even illeagal aliens....correction "undocumented democrats" will get photo id's. Voting will not be a problem

How many dead people voted in Chicago in 1960? Does anybody have any idea?

I don't think there has ever been a real effort to verify that all the regestered voters are alive and kicking or if they are registered in more than one place.

You have to have an ID to do just about anything today so what is the problem of proving you are who you claim to be when you vote?