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On the right where is says "Related Items Videos" there is an image. Click on it to see the speech.

Note that there are two little pictures. Apparently the speech is devided into two parts.

After watching him speak it is hard to imagine how anyone could consider him to be anything except an inspiration. Different not deficient. If someone wants to make a case that he is a hater please first identify the minority which proves your opinion.

I've watched the speech twice now. It was excellent. Entertaining and a great window into his perspective. I found it useful, too. He rationally challenged me on some things I wasn't quite conscious.

I like that.

BTW, those were some great moments for "Rick Sanchez and Soledad Obrien. They took the object of talking points and revealed the talented human being. They should be proud, I enjoyed that speech. Rev. Wright certainly proved to those critics open to the truth that he is a thoughtful, sincere, fair minded man who cares deeply about his fellow church members as well as his fellow Americans.

Well, the "See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil" boys are with us again.

Blacks voting along racial lines and the "limousine left" are the Obama supporters.

The "God damn America" left is in synch with Rev. Wright.

It won't play too well in Sheboygan.

I didn't hear him apologize for falsely claiming the government invented aids to destroy the black community.

I also have not and did not hear him apologize for violating the 3rd commandment in a church none the less.

When he spoke of chickens coming home to roost because we nuked Japan what did he mean? Should we have seen hundreds of thousands of our die on Japanese beaches?

No, Reverend Wright is misguided by his hate of whites and their majority in society. To speak against past ills like slavery and Jim Crowe is fine. Yet he is a democrat knowing they fought to keep slavery and imposed Jim Crowe in the south.

Bee Swell

"Yet he is a democrat knowing they fought to keep slavery and imposed Jim Crowe in the south"

Um, those Democrats left the party and became Republicans feeling more at home. Time for some new talking points, or a study of history.

Now remind us: what was your prior handle here?

Danforth,

Crackhead has been told this many times but he prefers the Limbaugh-ORiely lies to the truth. Ditto-heads are like that.

Axe,

It must be tough for him to be offensive, moronic, and boring all in the same post. Not to mention the dork sign-off; the putz can't even be original.

"Crackhead has been told this many times but he prefers the Limbaugh-ORiely lies to the truth"

So that's why he changed his handle: his last incarnation had been schooled, and he needed to invent a new persona stupid enough to be newly ignorant of it all.

That explains a lot. Thanks.

Danforth,

I'm only a semi-regular here and I'm having trouble remembering anyone quite as stupid as Crackhead posting here before. Bowa-rasta-ninjadipshit comes to mind, but he was never this bad. Who do you have in mind?

" Who do you have in mind?"

Jackass, Box Itch, StirInThePot, Gnubsy...heck, it could be just about any PWZ troll. They were all smelling up the place, and forced RCade to start the dump procedures. Then they stormed off, vowing to take the DR down and start a site of their own, a bastion of free speech, although these days that site is locked down tighter than a nun's chastity belt. Well, that turned out to be mostly a bust---rarely, if ever, drawing more than an handful of agreers. The first year's attempt at a fantasy football league was a riot: arguments, recriminations, feuds, and accusations of sabotage, or worse. Quite entertaining...in a car wreck kind of way.

I still say CPJ is in fact Box Itch. I would ALMOST bet a kidney on it.

Larry Mohr

Youknowwho, Youknewwho, Methpud are a few of the handles that chumbolone has been suspended under. Kuma is also a handle the loser uses to converse with himself.

The more Jeremiah Wright's in the news, the more it hurts Obama. If he goes away, people will forget about it in a month or two. But he won't.

I don't give a damn whether he's inspirational or not--a lot of monsters have been, and I'm unmoved by emotion anymore. But if he believes that AIDS was invented by the government to kill blacks, he's a lunatic. If he doesn't believe it and just said so to get his church riled up, he's a despicable POS.

If I have to decide, I'll go with turd: he went to good schools and had a middle-class upbringing. So he's engaging in race mongering, accusing the United States government of genocide against blacks.

Turd.

Wright was very entertaining but so much of what he talked about was sound and fury signifying very little. Wright's "cultural relativism" is precisely what's wrong with the far left. The issue is not with "Arabic speakers". Daniel Pipes - is fluent in Arabic. He is not a Muslim. But Pipes correctly notes that "... if it is true that most Muslims are not Islamist, it is no less true that all Islamists are Muslims.". And no the NOL - Nation of Islam is not a benign freedom loving organization. It is a militant strain of Islam - Elijah Mohammed - a.k.a. Elija Pool - and the Nation of Islam and the Black Muslim movement. It is clear that radical Islamists have used these demagogues and their ilk to their advantage. It is important for Black and White and all Americans to understand this phenomenon and realize that NOL and the Black Muslim movement is not just a reaction to racism. As Al-Amin commented in his book Revolution by the Book " ... the Constitution of the United States..its main essence it is diametrically opposed to what Allah has commanded". This is a statement of sedition. These people want to take away your constitution and replace it with the Qur'an.

The dismissal of great Western musicians - Beethoven, Mozart - and the discussion of African rhythmic differences and it being musically and culturally equivalent - is absurd. There is a primitive charm to the rhythms of African drums - but no - it is not as sophisticated or as great a human achievement as Mozart. Modern Jazz with a strong African American influence is a great achievement and I will leave that up to music historians and future scholars to make that call whether 20th/21st Century Jazz ranks with the great works of European Classical composers.

Wright managed to not only mock he Irish - with a special barb for Bill O'Reilly - But his best barbs were for fellow democrats John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. Again he missed the real issue. The real problem is that bad grammar does not equate with regional accents. The fact that there are regional dialects associated with Texas and Massachusetts is not the same as uneducated Black children who do not use correct grammar.

Wright will guarantee that Obama will not be our next President. Yes, race will matter in this election. Not because whites will not vote for a Black man. Iowa and Nebraska proved that this is not the case. Obama will not win because of his long term association with an extreme, anti-semetic, racist preacher - who happens to be black.

And the US is very much ready for either a Black man or woman to be president. But my guess is that when that happens they will look more like a Maggie Thatcher, Golda Meir, or Shelby Steele who said: "...victimization ... it keeps us from understanding the true nature of our suffering. It leads us to believe that all suffering is victimization and that all relief comes from the guilty good-heartedness of others. But people can suffer from bad ideas, from ignorance, fear, a poor assessment of reality, and from a politics that commits them to the idea of themselves as victims, among other things. When black group authority covers up these other causes of suffering just so whites will feel more responsible--and stay on the hook--then that authority actually encourages helplessness in its own people so that they might be helped by whites. It tries to make black weakness profitable by selling it as the white man's burden."

Danforth, you keep claiming those in the democratic party responsible for Jim Crowe Laws left and became republicans.

Please furnish me with the names of those legislators and the particular parts of Jim Crowe laws they enacted in each state and the particular bill.

You see democrats make these kind of wild eyed assertions but never back them up with facts.

I'll be waiting!

Danforth will pull out the back-up after his enema loosens it up.

Danforth,

What, you mean Republicans like AlGore's daddy?

CRACKPIPE either you are too stupid to know that the Dixiecrats left the party or too dishonest to admit it. You choose which applies to yourself.

I think that Rev. Wright's effect on the election depends on how much credence liberals and moderates give the corporate owned, sound bite news media. However, CNN should be congratulated for airing Rev. Wright's speech and Rick Sanchez (who has always been sort of a joke here in S. Florida) actually seemed to have become an intelligent, mature person with a fair mind. I actually was quite surprised by his performance.
Soledad on the other hand was more interested in hearing herself talk though she did, at least, not fall into lockstep with the conservative pundits and newscasters who have been trying to sink Obama's campaign with Rev. Wright sound bites dishonestly taken out of context.

Crackpipe, did you hear his talk this morning when he put those comments in a biblical context?

"for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me," - Exodus 20:5

"yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." - Exodus 24:6-7

Does that sound like Chickens coming home to roost (which was spoken by Wright in the context of explaining the appearance of a white US ambassador who appeared on FOX news)

On the Aids thing, he referrenced several books that speak of the abuses of the government on blacks. Ever hear of the Tuskeegee Experiment. You have to be pretty ignorant about history to not recognize that the US government has exploited people and not just minorities. Even here where I live in St. Louis the US Government deliberately spread bacteria to test how the effects of biological warfare in the 1960's.

And saying God damn in the context that he did is not using the Lord's name in vain. He was invoking God in a way that the Bible often does.

"I am not one of the most divisive" black spiritual leaders, he said. "I'm one of the most descriptive."

Like when Obama's spiritual mentor, the man who baptised Obama, married him, Baptised his kids said that White people made AIDS to kill Blacks with... he wasn't being devisive at all.

Does anyone know Obama's thoughts on this? Does he think White people made the HIV/AIDS virus to kill Black people?

On the Aids thing, he referrenced several books that speak of the abuses of the government on blacks. Ever hear of the Tuskeegee Experiment.

Posted by Johnny_Douchefuck


Yeah, in the tuskeegee experiments they gave Black people Syphillis to study what would happen. They didn't invent syphillis, like Wright claims we invented AIDS.

You have to be pretty ignorant about history to not recognize that the US government has exploited people and not just minorities

You have to be pretty fucking biased to excuse such a retarded statement that anyone INVENTED AIDS... Oh let me guess your race... Asian, right?

Yet he is a democrat knowing they fought to keep slavery and imposed Jim Crowe in the south"








That goes to show you didn't watch the video of him speaking...you make yourself look stupid!

CPJ, Cookie,

What....didn't like that recap? Saw yourselves in the story, did you?

Sucks to have someone know the truth, doesn't it?

He also claims that Denial is a river in Egypt!

"Oh let me guess your race."

white boy.

Yes he is.... He's also an actor....He's also a race-trading bigot....He's also an albatross....

the good thing to note
is that
this blog alone has enough quotes by rob
to prevent him from having ANY office.

He never said he was a democrat are a republican...I bet you think Malcom x was a democrat to because he is black huh?



Because Obama is a democrat that means his pastor is one too huh?


The man said he isn't a politician he is a pastor.

"....Rev. Wright sound bites dishonestly taken out of context."

That ol' "out of context" dog just won't hunt, Danni. Before repeating the spin put on it by the Obamaniacs, watch the whole sermon yourself.


www.foxnews.com

my candidate's pastor is sux

jest's candidate himself sux

oh well
you lose

Because Obama is a democrat that means his pastor is one too huh?


The man said he isn't a politician he is a pastor.

Posted by theblueprint08


Agreed. Black militant preachers have been the base for the most recent GOP electoral victories.

"Yeah, in the tuskeegee experiments they gave Black people Syphillis to study what would happen."

That's not entirely true. The subjects already HAD syphillis. They treated a few and didn't treat the rest at all to see the effects. NOBODY was "infected" with disease by the government.

doesn't it suck that in order for a GOP candidate to win he has to scare people of black militant preachers out to get em
or A-rabs out to get em

or homos are out to get em.


says a lot about the coward white boys and girls in the GOP

"jest's candidate himself sux"

I don't know what you're talking about, Kliff.... ALL the candidates "sux."

Preachers saying mean spirited things about AIDs, say it ain't so....

"Billy Graham Retracts Statement on AIDS as God's Judgment"

www.aegis.com


Can't wait for all the righties to condemn Billy Graham for his statement and then, OF COURSE, make any politician who attended services at which Graham preached or who associated with him personally guilty by association.

Selective outrage is the tool of the Republicans in an election year when their incompetence, corruption and misguided leadership isn't even in doubt. They can't win the election based on policies or issues so they try to stir up hate between the races and sadly it works. (BTW Hillary Clinton is now included when we use the term Republican.)

"NOBODY was "infected" with disease by the government."

Oh, in that case then why should the black community feel that they were wronged?

"says a lot about the coward white boys and girls in the GOP"

What does it say about the 97% of blacks voting for Obama, kliff? Anything racial or cowardly there?

'NOBODY was "infected" with disease by the government.'

no they were told they had "bad blood" and were given no treatment

until... dum dum dum 1972

"The study continued until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination."

1972
you mean when rev wright was in his 30's? ???

no!

1972
you mean when rev wright was in his 30's? ???


Clearly that means White people invented AIDS.

Klifferd do you think White people in the US Government invented AIDS, and if so do you think they invented it so they could kill Black people with it?

"What does it say about the 97% of blacks voting for Obama, kliff"

they feel pride in a black candidate

expected

especially since mccain voted against martil luther king day

and a host of other racial votes by john mcracist

you got pride in the white candidate? then vote hillary.

why against hillary? they weren't in the beginning you can thank bills statements and obama's rev write speech to bring in all the blacks for him.

'ALL the candidates "sux."'

and this maybe
but .. barack > hillary > > > mccain

tries to make black weakness profitable by selling it as the white man's burden."


Posted by al94147 at


BRAVO....excellent post.....and I have heard black supremist like this joker make the case that beethoven was black anyway......


but it is nice to be proven correct one more time.
when all this came out I stated that the left here at the DR HATED the fact that we were paying attention to this classwarfare monger because THEY THOUGHT JUST LIKE HIM.....and read all of the approval and celebration by our liberal bros here...



Rev Wright's proclamation that he is "not a politician", is fairly disingenuous considering that the basic religious philosophy of this particular church is Black Liberation Theology, a heavily politically influenced theology.

"What does it say about the 97% of blacks voting for Obama, kliff"

they feel pride in a black candidate

expected


And what would you call it if 97% of White people were voting for Hillary, or will vote for McCain?

"Klifferd do you think White people in the US Government invented AIDS"

like i said
obama's pastor sux

aids was invented by the green monkey in africa
which someone either banged but mostly got bitten by

and then a homosexual male probably then banged the aids carrying human and brought it to the usa


as far as africa
the monkey most likely bit an african

but the pharmecutical companies do make a lot of profit on aids vaccines that the poor african people can't afford.

and america loves the pharmy lobby. so take as it is.


the good thing to note
is that
this blog alone has enough quotes by rob
to prevent him from having ANY office.

Posted by klifferd

* * * *

That's true of
so many of us who at least
know enough to leave
haiku to the Japanese

danni/danforth......and others.
as to the argument about dems becoming republicans......I agree with you......ON THIS CONDITION....if what you say is true and I believe it to be so, then you should also admit that if the democrat hero......JFK......were around today, he ALSO would be a republican. I think you can make a good case that I would be correct in saying that.
Tax cuts, national security issues, etc.......
so you can accept that bad dems became republicans without agreeing that many dems from that era WOULD BE REPUBLICANS TODAY......I think we are ALL CORRECT on that issue.

"What does it say about the 97% of blacks voting for Obama, kliff?"

It says that black people can FINALLY elect one of their own to the presidency. I think it is amazingly arrogant of white people to decry that as racism after 200 years of rich white guys. Pretending you have a clue about what black people feel is probably the most insulting thing that you do today.

like i said
obama's pastor sux


Okay, so do you think a man should be president if his mentor and good friend of over 20 years beilieves Whites created AIDS to kill Black men and women? Doesn't that say more about Obama then it does about Wright?

AND there is only one thing more incredibly difficult to believe than his talking about out of context and not divisive is the fact that so many here not only are buying it but agree with him.

so we have another conspiracy theory where the white fat cats all got together and bought the aids virus from some crooked nose new jersey mug and started spreading it amoungst blacks all over the country...is THAT how he says it worked or was it just another wild eyes liberal making a statement and KNOWIng that we would HAVE To believe it because they are all so fuckin smart?????
is that how this bullshit works?

Pretending you have a clue about what black people feel is probably the most insulting thing that you do today.

Posted by danni


I love a challenge...

"then you should also admit that if the democrat hero......JFK......were around today"

Take a look at what the income tax rates were for wealthy people in 1960 and then get back to us on that idea.
Perhaps you might want to also include the amount of money borrowed by our government and left unpaid for our generation to pay off.
I think the truest way to guess what JFK would be like today would be to look at his brother, his kids (his daughter endorsed Obama) and the kids of his brothers.

"Oh, in that case then why should the black community feel that they were wronged?"

Because they were led to believe they were being treated when they weren't and the disease was progressing.

danni.... I am on record from a long time ago as telling you that I would vote for condi rice for president....both black and with a vagina. so there goes your point in my case.
but you see......its ALL ABOUT RACE on your side.
and you prove that with your statement. I say vote on the ideas and views on the issue and you say vote because he is black and not white.
now who is playing the race card.

"so do you think a man should be president if his mentor and good friend of over 20 years beilieves"

yes

i can have you as a friend

and i have friends as much of assholes as you that make me laugh out loud all the time (which most of your posts do btw - "what an asshole! hahahah!"

doesn't mean i agree with them

i think that if obama can relate to the racism of a black man, and the racism of a white man and know why they are racist, which his speech on racism, clearly displayed and still call them friends

thats an incredible person to have leading

and it shows to me that obama practices his christianity...

Actually BLT's attempt at bringing JFK into the discussion could be a valid comparison when you consider that one of the major controversies JFK had to deal with was the accusations by some that the Pope would dictate to him how to govern. He made it clear that, though he was a Catholic, his leadership of the country would not be an expression of his religious beliefs. If that election were held today I can almost see the sound bite attacks by the Republicans which would have been leveled at JFK.
When you don't have issues or policies or truth on your side then use sound bites to attack your opponent and cause the death by a thousand paper cuts.

" condi rice for president....both black and with a vagina."

and a lesbian
too

;) haha

"I say vote on the ideas and views on the issue and you say vote because he is black and not white."

If black people had not voted in many, many elections for white candidates then you would have a point. If Condi Rice would win the votes of millions of black people you might have a point.
Your own example, Condi Rice, is the perfect proof that black people will not just vote for someone because of their race. Thanks for proving my point BLT.

I think it is amazingly arrogant of white people to decry that as racism after 200 years of rich white guys.
posted by danni

soooo, is bigotry only wrong when it is practiced by the traditional oppressor?

I said this last week, but I also don't think its wrong to vote for a person because of their race and gender, but quite a different story if you vote against a candidate because of their race or gender.

That said, is it well past time that we had a black president in this country? Absolutely.

Same goes for finally getting a woman president.

DANNI.....I think you have a point about the kennedy children....so I accept that......but it seems to me that he would be pretty moderate today. for instance, it ALWAYS seemed to me that bobby and of course teddy were more liberal than jfk...now that may be because he was actually IN the white house and playing the middle but I still believe he would be a moderate and therefore an outcast among todays LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY......ah.....the party of my youth....why did you let the soros's of the world capture your soul?

-Same goes for finally getting a woman president.


And we could so easily have both.

Today I caught the tail end of a speech Wright was giving (I think to the Press Club?) and I came away with tow points:

1. Religion is good business. The church aparenly gets a lot of money to do all they do. I am gonna create my own BLT church, the Bacon Lettuce and Tomato Church!

2. Conservatives are always saying that governmnet should stay out and the the private sectore and churches can do a better job at fighting poverty and other social issues. Well, isn't that what Wright's church is doing? Conservatives should be praising that church for their work in many areas, such as AIDS minstries, prison miniestris, helping people go to college, etc. No government here, just people voluntarily giving money and the church using it. Isn't that what the religious right wants? Why then are they criticizing Wright so much, bunch of idiots.

so when did black people NOT vote for rice....when did they vote for her at all....
and she wasnt a candidate.....so what are you talking about.
I stand by my statement. I want to vote for the best person in my opinion and skin color has nothing to do with it and I even give you an example....and you say it should...
and now THANK YOU ..........lol

BLT any moderate of that era would be a leftie today. Our politics has drifted much farther to the right than it has to the left.

"I stand by my statement. I want to vote for the best person in my opinion"

If you are going to try to convince me that you honestly thought George W. Bush was the best person for the job as president then please don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself.
I could use a good laugh this morning.

JFK was a warhawk, tax cutter, Catholic, adulterer.
No way he gets out of Iowa in 2008

For some people this may be about Jeramiah Wright and what he has said, but for most it is the double standard executed by liberals. When Don Imus (who I believe is a liberal) said "nappy headed hoes" on the air, he was pounced on like nothing we have ever seen. Obama came on the air and said he would never associate with someone who feels that way. Yet, Obama sees Jer as a mentor.

Jer gets up and says that his church raises $5,000 a year to feed those in his community. Imus raises and donates more that $15 million a year to help kids with cancer, but you never heard him defend himself with those good deeds. If the good deeds of Jer outweigh his recist words, Imus should be considered the second coming of Mother Theresa. If Obama applied the same standard to Imus that he has to Wright (saying that he has said some questionable things, but defending him because all of his community works make it ok) I do not think as many people would be concerned about this.

I want to clarify that what Imus said was wrong, but by the standard applied to Wright, Imus should be given the key to the city. It's all about the double standard.

" I want to vote for the best person in my opinion "

exactly
which is why i wouldn't vote for rice :)

i'm not black i'm voting for who i think would be the best for america

"Our politics has drifted much farther to the right than it has to the left."

Horseshit! After JFK and LBJ came the "do your own thing," "if it feels good, do it" movement. Many of the hippies from the streets back then are running the government and the universities now.

pinkie

wright is responsible for what he said
so is don imus

but if don imus's friends aren't being called racists are they?

obama didn't say it
nor does he believe what jer. said

"Horseshit! After JFK and LBJ came the "do your own thing," "if it feels good, do it" movement. Many of the hippies from the streets back then are running the government and the universities now. "


more people are registered as independant then left or right

i think the far extreme left and far extreme right views both suck

i don't think any of the 3 candidates are extremist left or right

but we've been tipped so far to the right for the last 8 years
we have to tip back a little bit to keep the country balanced

"If you are going to try to convince me that you honestly thought George W. Bush was the best person for the job as president...."

Of the choices available, he WAS....that isn't saying much, unforunately. Looks like you and your little friends are doing it again too. You want we should vote for either Hillary or Obama??? Not in THIS life.

JESTGETTINGALONG do you honestly believe the Patriot Act would have passed in the sixties???
Bankruptcy bill??

Capital Gains tax max at 15%??

Income tax rate 35%??

If you recall, we had the Fairness Doctrine in those days. The "REagan Revolution" was enabled by the elimination of that Fairness Doctrine allowing right wing crap to be spewed 24/7/365.

"Of the choices available, he WAS"

but mccain is not the best of the choices today

even if you won't their way in THIS life

i'm not black i'm voting for who i think would be the best for america

Posted by klifferd

What's the matter Kliffy? Conservatives too tough on the Jihadists?

"Of the choices available, he WAS...."

Riight. Our dollar's value indicates the truth of untruth of your belief.

"What's the matter Kliffy? Conservatives too tough on the Jihadists?"

haha

no i think conservatives make more of them
actually

the greatest thing for the jihadist movement was the neo cons

actually i think the jihadist movement started losing ground around the time the new congress came in and said they were against bush's neo con "toughness"

cause the non jihadists said wow, maybe america isn't having a crusade agaisnst all muslims

just the bad ones.

something bush, and certainly mccain dont' know anything about.

the greatest thing for the jihadist movement was the neo cons


Posted by klifferd

It was if Virgins where all they wanted.

wisgod??
huh

if you think people are blowing themselves up for virgins

you really are stupid.

"i don't think any of the 3 candidates are extremist left or right"

Oh, I don't know about that. Considering that Obama is ranked tenth most liberal in the Senate and is to the left of Kerry, Clinton and others, I'd say he was to the extreme left.

www.democraticunderground.com

"Oh, I don't know about that. Considering that Obama is ranked tenth most liberal in the Senate and is to the left of Kerry, Clinton and others, I'd say he was to the extreme left."

but like you've all said
before on the right

obama is a freshmen senator, his rank with such little "experience" isn't a true indicator of where he stands

and the fact that he is saying 2 more years in iraq and then off to afghanistan

shows he's less left then hillary's out in 60 days policy.

"but mccain is not the best of the choices today"

In YOUR opinion, not mine. That's why they have horse races, you know. Not everybody likes the same horse.

Did you see those Rutgers basketball players. Yea Imus was rude but he was right. They need to go to a spa and beauty salon.They did have nappy hair. YOu would think their coach would have more common sense then to let her team walk around looking like beasts

if you think people are blowing themselves up for virgins

you really are stupid.

Posted by klifferd

Isn't that what that Schmuck, Alla promised them? Or are they just enamored with loud noises?

"In YOUR opinion, not mine"

true

but your opinion has shown in the last 8 years to be wrong

BTW Hillary Clinton is now included when we use the term Republican.

Posted by danni


I'll kiss my own ass if Billary has any say or influence in Dem politics after they get through shooting off their mouths in this cycle.

As for McCain, a lot of silence coming from his supporters about his two tiered campaign :
more war and smear the enemy.

"Isn't that what that Schmuck, Alla promised them?"

you mean, the same God as the christian God

nope no virgins were promised
spiritual companions maybe but not virgins

there is no sex in heaven

the greatest thing for the jihadist movement was the neo cons


Posted by klifferd

Kliff, I don't know if over the weekend you saw on the back page the "Hamas Endorese Obama" blog entry. I made a similar point, that the best thing for the extremists is for McClinton to get elected. If they "endorsed" Obama it's because they undertand that such and "endorsement" makes him look bad and increases McClinton's chance of winning.

"Riight. Our dollar's value indicates the truth of untruth of your belief."

Oh, I see...you KNOW what the case would be if Kerry or Gore were president. Please tell me, what would the dollar value be if either was president.

I did it again, Danni. I forgot that you are a few sandwiches short of a picnic and engaged in dialogue with you expecting logic...my bad.

Rating Ratings Ratings.
The liberals can't get ratings on radio.
Ed Schultz should try to give away cars like Oprah then he might beat Rush

there is no sex in heaven Posted by klifferd

Link?

BTW Hillary Clinton is now included when we use the term Republican.

Posted by danni

That is why I use the word "McClinton" because I don't want to waste time writing McCain and Clinton since they are both corporate warmongers.

100 more years! Vote McClinton '08!

member

agreed

and mccain says he'll be hamas's worst nightmare

if by worst nightmare, he means killing more civilians and giving hamas better enlistment numbers then he's right.

Member if anything Hamas is sending a message to the arabs in America to vote for Obama

there is no sex in heaven



Posted by klifferd

Just gas stations?

Yes McCain and Clinton are corporate warmongers but all that lobbyist money going to Obama doesn't count

Some facts in life:


1. JFK was a HORRIBLE president. He lost Cuba for good and damn near got us all nuked over it while screwing every tramp in sight.

2. His brother Bob was a thug using government agencies to fight family quarrels with the mob. They both lost that fight. His other brother is a blowhard, murder-dodging drunk.

3. You ARE the company you keep, particularly if you want to become president. Family you don't pick, friends you do. Obomba will be held responsible for his choosing of race-baiters and terrorists as political friends.

4. Obomba is not a religious man...His "bitter" comments make that clear. He chose Wright's church for the political connections. He therefore didn't care about the crap Wright was spewing, and can't disavow Wright because he needs the political connections. In other words, he is an unprincipled, inexperienced politician who got caught pandering to both sides of the religion issue. Normally, this is no big deal...Certainly the Bush's and Clintons have spent time on both sides of that line....The problem is that Obomba is trying to make the case that he's "different"...He is not, and as people figure this out, he will be judged harshly by his own artificially-raised standard.

I am voting foe David Lesar, An American patriot

"Link?"

use logic

what is sex for

reproduction
why would nature make it pleasurable
because it sustains the species

in heaven, if there is one... everyone is dead

no need for reproduction and no need for sex
heaven alone should provide the pleasure you need in its very existance

if it doesn't it isn't quite well heaven is it.

Rob,

Rev. Wright, to the best of my knowledge, never said the US Government invented AIDS. What I have heard him say is that the US government has used AIDS to control minorities.

My point about Tuskeegee is not to prove the Government behind AIDS but does go to set precedent for why people may be skeptical of the motives of US government.

And even if he does believe the US Government created HIV in a lab somewhere, as ridiculous as that notion sounds, that isn't out of line with a sizable section of the black community.

Oregon State did a study a few years back of black respondents in which more than 25% said they believed just that. Over half said they believed a cure for AIDS exists but the US government is withholding it.

There has also been some "experts" who have published on this matter such as Dr. Alan Cantwell. What I see is a reaction that is similar to the group of people who deny Modern Synthesis theory of that human activity impacts global climate. In the face of a mountain of evidence there are those who still point to the opinions and findings of a group of dissenting voices.

Now the last time I checked Pastor's have a long history of taking creative liberties with their messages and crafting their sermon's to their audience. When it comes to HIV this is hardly anything new. Wasn't it Jerry Falwell who called AIDS a punishment from God for America's immoral behavior. If Falwell is correct isn't he essentially saying it's a damnation of America from God?

In fact, you can find throughout the history were Religious leaders words have been on the wrong side of science. It wasn't that long ago that the Catholic church made peace with Galileo.

there is no sex in heaven Posted by klifferd

Yeah! And in Heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here!

uk.youtube.com

If in heaven there is no beer, it can't be heaven then.

I would rather burn in hell, at laeast I'd have a cold beer to cool myself down with.

as for obama not being christian

he's more christian then back stab hillary
and black hating mccain

"I am gonna create my own BLT church, the Bacon Lettuce and Tomato Church!"

Will you serve it with a side of Flying Spaghetti?

Fucking youtube, i type in youtube.com and get takenn to the uk.youtube site. Piece of shit. There must be a way to chose a country or someting.

I would rather burn in hell, at laeast I'd have a cold beer to cool myself down with.


haha

:)

if there is a heaven
then there is no beer

sorry its a pradox

no beer in hell either though

cause when your dead
you don't need sustainance (like beer) ;)


"I am gonna create my own BLT church, the Bacon Lettuce and Tomato Church!"

Will you serve it with a side of Flying Spaghetti?

Posted by Danforth


Yes! That sounds good!

"I would rather burn in hell, at least I'd have a cold beer to cool myself down with."

Problem is, it's Falstaff. And 3.2 at that.

"Oh, I see...you KNOW what the case would be if Kerry or Gore were president."

I think it is fair to assume they would have continued the same policies as Clinton. No tax cuts for the wealthy, pay as you go, no borrowing for unnecessary wars in Iraq. So it is fair to say that our dollar would be worth closer to the same value that it had in 2000.

KLIFFERD you don't make heaven sound very fun. I think I'd just as soon go to Disneyworld.

BTW, I hate Disneyworld.

dani

well if non stop pleasure unexplainable by earthly ways and access to all the knowledge you want isn't fun.

then no its not fun


BTW, I hate Disneyworld.

Posted by danni


Well, I hope you never run for president, or even dog catcher, cause I am keeping this controversial comment and will give to your opponent's opposition reasearch! I can alreay imagine the ad with the synister sounding music and voice blasting you for hating Disneyworld.

Sorry but the difference between Rev Wright comments about AIDS and people who don't believe global warming is caused by humans has too do whith SCIENTIFIC hypotheses supported by research. There are scientists around the world that don't believe global warming is caused by humans backed by their research and review of other scientists' research. Wright is just talking crap because of his own prejudices.

KLIFFERD you don't make heaven sound very fun.
Posted by danni

I think Kliffy is confused when it comes to which direction the elevator is traveling.

yea wisgod
cause a elevator will take us to heaven

:)

Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."


Oh, and GOD is a Delusion.

But a Black Man with a Doctorate in Religion is generally above reproach, unless he says God Damn America. Then the Religious Right has him by the balls.

We live in a sea of lies. Lies whose purpose is to move money from your pocket to the liars pocket.

Wright had it right, but not in context of America's mass electoral delusions.

"I can alreay imagine the ad with the synister sounding music and voice blasting you for hating Disneyworld."

Ain't that the truth.

What White America dislikes about Rev. Wright is that he is superior intellect. America does not want to re-live her Racist past, until it faces it it will not cure the Racist of today.

Rev. Wright is forcing America to deal with is past like no one has before an those on the RIGHT in this Country refuse to believe that we have not gone beyond that.

Having hear Rev. Wright speak on Bill Moyers, to the NACCP, an this morning at the Press Club who except the most Partisian can find fault with his FACTS? You may not like it, an surely you are entitled to your Opinion of him but you on the Right cannot have your own set of Facts.....

"The problem is that Obomba is trying to make the case that he's "different"...He is not, and as people figure this out, he will be judged harshly by his own artificially-raised standard."

For some reason, our little leftist-socialist friends latch on to guys like this, put them on a pedestal and worship them until they crash and burn. They did it with Clinton, they did it with Dean and now they're doing it with Obama. ALL these guys...ALL OF THEM...are simply politicians seeking power. Look at what they are doing to the beloved Bill Clinton because he's doing harm to the current saviour. They are not saviours. None of them. Why can't they see that?

Sorry Celisary but the right does get to supply their own set of facts. They keep them filed neatly inside their asses ready to pull when needed.

"...and people who don't believe global warming is caused by humans has too do whith SCIENTIFIC hypotheses supported by research. There are scientists around the world that don't believe global warming is caused by humans backed by their research and review of other scientists' research."

Ah, yes, but they have COMPLETE faith in Owlgores movie. Here's what YOU are talking about though:

("All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930.

Additionally, there is the potential for further cooling due cycle 24 sunspots not developing as predicted. "The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.")

community.adn.com

CNN is getting harder and harder to stomach watching these days. The Clinton News Network, in their continued attempts to push public opinion in the general direction of Hillary, have become inceasingly desperate and unhinged.

Last night Spud watched some fucked up no name commentator talking around Wright's speech fer ten minutes. Neither nor his two guests heard the speech in it's entirety and none of them provided a single quote. They simply started off with "Rev Wright is a divisive racist" as a given and discussed whether it was best for Obama to distance himself totally from the guy or not.

Spud threw a shoe at the teevee!

Wotta bunch of shameless, mindless, corporate bastards they have become over at CNN. They are now the new FOX News, only fer the corporate candidate of the so-called left.

The speech itself?

"Descriptive not divisive" is it, in a sound byte.

Failure to be critical of one's country when in the wrong is a failure of guts and brains.

It is a false sort of patriotism that is, in effect, simply an act of cowardly aquiessence.

Ya wanna see divisive, unAmerican preacher folk?

See people like John Hagee or Rod Parsley or Jerry Foulwell (long may he rot) or Fred Phelps or Doug Coe or Pat Robertson or any one of far too many Talibaptist/ evDEVILical preachers who preach insupportable intolerance and ignorance.

Despite being an athiest/recovering Catholic Spud quite likes the idea of Obama being a member of the church he chose. One that promotes social justice and real issues rather than the pro forced birther, anti gay right and anti-science crowd that tries to pretend it actually has a moral agenda.

To Spud, Wright is right in his approach even if some of his theories are a little off (CIA invented AIDS? Don't think so).

The people that John McCain so obnoxiously sucks up to on the religious reich are folks he once accurately described as being "agents of intolerance". The sad reality of the GOPher party is that those fundie fucktards have become so neccessary to any kind of success that no candidate that wants to win on a national level can avoid capitulating to their insane, hate-filled, ignorance laden agenda.

Another funny thing about all this made up pseudo controversy regardig Wright is the fact that at one point all these same talking haircuts on the newschannels were asking with a straight face "Is Obama black enough?".

Don't hear a lot of that talk any more in the post Wright media ambush era, do ya?

Ah, wot can ya do? These folks are the farthest thing from real newsmen that you can find. They are, for the most part, pretty boys and girls who can read a teleprompter w/o stumbling much and who are also okay with holding only opinions they are told are acceptable fer teevee.

Be Well.


BLT any moderate of that era would be a leftie today. Our politics has drifted much farther to the right than it has to the left.

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"I stand by my statement. I want to vote for the best person in my opinion"

If you are going to try to convince me that you honestly thought George W. Bush was the best person for the job as president then please don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself.
I could use a good laugh this morning.

Posted by danni at 2008


WOW......talk about a good laugh.
sweety......now look....my point was made very well by several posters in between but again...so let me get this straight...
my choice was so bad it makes you laugh...and YET.....he was elected TWICE.......see scalia thread for your soon to be comment about the sc and 2000.....and then REELECTED......so I guess my choice had a few more people who thought the same way.........ah but wait for it.....attacks of voter fraud and the sc.....DAMN I can hear it coming now...........

so you tell us that republicand voted the civil rights bill in because dems then were filled with racists dixiecrats....and then you turn around and tell us that the country has turned to the right....seems to me that...ALONG WITH MYSLEF....the dixiecrats turned to the republicans BECAUSE OF the shift to the left.....now you DO have to factor in 1994 about the 'revolution' which by the way I believe was the chance of political lifettimes to show you and leftist everywhere the golden dome of conservatism and republicans dropped the ball on MOST of that because they didnt have the balls toface the liberal machine LIKE WE DO NOW........

gotta go.......

GO hillary........hee hee hee hee

and spudface....

what in the FUCK has happened to you. you have turned into just another run of the mill nasty liberal who either cant get it up or needs to go out and pet a puppy or take a kid to a baseball game or SOMETHING to get your attitude back where it used to be.....because lately.....you suck.....and you actually used to ALWAYS SUCK but at least it wasnt so mean and profan.......I guess you just went to the well once too often........too bad......


I just hope Spuds doesn't resort to blaming the media, lmao!!

The same network that his running Wright's NAACP speech today.

Wright making a bright shining line between religion and politics is convenient now, not so much when considering that this particular church is not a typical black church, but based on a highly political doctrine of Black Liberation Theology.

BTW, I hate Disneyworld

~Danni.

Agreed.

Disneyworld blows chunks.

A fourty foot tall statue of noted pedophile Micheal Jackson as Captain EO?

WTF were they thinking there?

Be Well.

Is there a web site where we can make donations to keep the Rev on the circuit ?

it is hard to imagine how anyone could consider him to be anything except an inspiration.

I watched a good portion of this speech, and it was very well done. He did a superb job of reading the speech that Obama's writers put together for him; and his ability to conceal his hatred for whitey inside a perfect made-for-TV presentation is commendable. However, what he says now that he knows the whole country is watching means nothing. It's bland, safe language for the white soccer moms so they won't flee Obama, and a disingenuous attempt to try and repair the obvious damage he has done to Obama's campaign. What Wright said in his real sermons, when he did not think we were watching, when Obama was sitting there nodding his head, that is what he is really about.

" Liberation Theology."

A popular theologically inspired movement in S. America that raised the ire of the Reagan administration who sent the CIA to train murderers, kidnappers, torturers to kill, torture and disappear men, women, children, priests and nuns.

I have always had a place in my heart for Liberation Theology and the sincere belief that if Jesus walked today he would be involved in that movement which many serving in the Bush administration today have committed crimes in their attempts to stifle the movement. So basicly Rev. Wright, IMHO, is being accused of agreeing with Jesus Christ.

not a typical black church, but based on a highly political doctrine of Black Liberation Theology.

Posted by Corky

Can we have his tax exempt status reviewed?

But all things aside, didn't rev. wright come to the Clinton WH to counsel the couple during monica-gate?

and spudface....

what in the FUCK has happened to you?


And yea, the scales fell from me many eyes and I could see.

Call it a learning curve.

You stopped climbing it years ago and Spud just keeps on truckin'.

And no, Spud doesn't expect you to get that, BLT. Hell, most days Spud is amazed that you remember how to turn on yer PC, quite frankly.

I just hope Spuds doesn't resort to blaming the media, lmao!!

Why should Spud blame the media for being wot they are? Simply a device by which the Big Biz/Big Gov/ Global Elitist agenda is maintained and public opinion is shaped rather than reflected. It has ever been thus but only recently has it's inadequacies in that regard become more and more apparent, sommat that could have never been possible w/o blogworld, btw. The media primarily exist in order to distract rather than to inform. To fill up yer head with fluff and nonsense and leave no room for more substantive and urgent issues.

The one thing that the MSM seems most afraid of is populism. A candidate whose power comes mostly fom the people themselves. A candidate not already so beholden to the "way things are", the status quo if you will, that they might actually rock the boat and make waves in their attempts to change things.

Dean was a populist who was ambushed by both sides of the corporate media, the so-called left and the so-called right conspired to sink his emerging popularity with the by now infamous "Deam Scream" moment whereby they muted out the background crowd noise and made Dean seem crazy. Carter was also a populist, so was Kennedy.

Kennedy got killed and Carter merely had his character assasinated to the point where there are people who still think Rotten Ronnie Raygun was pretty swell POTUS and Carter was a schmuck.

Fools.

Does Corky trust the corporate media implicitly then?

LMAO.

Jestsweatin':

You are either a dupe of the Exxon-Mobil funded ACC/AGW denial industry in which case you are a fool or you are actually part of that industry in which case you are a cretin.

Be Well.


You and I may not mind a little Marxism in our political stew, Danni, but it doesn't play well among the voters.

But that only matters if one is more concerned about winning national elections than socio-political theorizing in Dem primaries.



Spud was FOR the Obamedia before he was Agin' the Clinton News Network.

So basically Rev. Wright, IMHO, is being accused of agreeing with Jesus Christ.

~Danni.

Well put!

Danni RAWKS!!!

Be Well.

"Spud was FOR the Obamedia before he was Agin' the Clinton News Network."

No matter...ol' Spudsie is IMPOTENT! Can't vote, can't contribute funds...can only post inane drivel...LOL

This tater is fried.....

Even when he's right, he can't cool down on his rhetoric. Which is why he, and others like him, will be equally responsible if Obama wins the nomination yet loses the election.

But all things aside, didn't Rev Wright come to the clinton WH to counsel the couple during monica-gate?

~Hag Celine Dion

During the whole "human humidor and a humma" fiasco the Clintons invited a bunch of high profile religious folks to the WH in order to provide "spiritual guidance".

Rev. Wright was among them.

Micheal Moore brought this up in a recent column.

GO hillary........hee hee hee hee

~Bushlover2

When a guy who actually still refers to himself as "Bushlover2" in 2008 makes a comment promoting Hillary Clinton wouldn't any sane Democrat be well advised to avoid her candidacy like the plague?

See also: Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos

Operation Chaos:

In late February 2008, Limbaugh developed Operation Chaos, an political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote Democrat and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing eleven straight primary contests to Barack Obama. The goal was to have the campaigns of Clinton and Obama fight over the Democratic Party nomination for as long as possible and potentially force a brokered 2008 Democratic National Convention.

On March 27, 2008, Limbaugh said that "The dream end of this [of Operation Chaos] is that this keeps up to the Convention, and that we have a recreation of Chicago 1968 with burning cars, protests, fire, and literal riots and all of that, that is the objective here [of Operation Chaos]."

This has been one of the contributing factors in the ongoing struggle within the Liberal political arena- (Stumbling over their own politically correct socialist agenda, and attempting to hide their true intentions from the voters) - They need to win, but the leaders of the party know that they can't win with Obama. So in the end, nothing short of total chaos within the party will result. How can the Liberal Leaders take the prize from the black candidate and hand it over to the white woman without causing a giant rift within the party? It can't be done. This is the politically correct mine field which the Liberals have created.


G08ama.

Be Well.

"...ACC/AGW denial industry in which case you are a fool or you are actually part of that industry in which case you are a cretin."

Nawww...not a part of the industry so I'm not a cretin, and if I'm a fool, I'm glad to be in the good company of those not taken in by Owlgore's attempt at art for which he won an award. You must have really liked that movie...made an impact, huh? I bet you have already move inland, right?

A popular theologically inspired movement in S. America that raised the ire of the Reagan administration who sent the CIA to train murderers, kidnappers, torturers to kill, torture and disappear men, women, children, priests and nuns.

I have always had a place in my heart for Liberation Theology and the sincere belief that if Jesus walked today he would be involved in that movement which many serving in the Bush administration today have committed crimes in their attempts to stifle the movement. So basicly Rev. Wright, IMHO, is being accused of agreeing with Jesus Christ.


Wow, Danni, you almost pulled off a perfect Colbert on that one.. let me see....

Liberation Theology -> Hated by Reagan -> Who killed some babies -> So did Bush -> Jesus loves babies -> So does Wright -> Wright = Jesus.
Perfect!

How about:
Liberation Theology -> Comes from So. America -> So does soccer -> Soccer played in England -> England allied in WW2 with Soviets -> Liberation Theology is aligned with Soviet thought -> So is Wright -> Wright = Stalin.

Wew! Your leftie logic is so much fun. Can we do Cheney and Mother Theresa next?

"You and I may not mind a little Marxism in our political stew, Danni, but it doesn't play well among the voters."

REally though Corky it is more an indicator that Spud is right about the media. If the people really understood what Liberation Theology really was/is, if they really understood the crimes against humanity committed by Republicans since Reagan we wouldn't even be having the discussion about the truths that Rev. Wright speaks of. That's the prolem today, if anyone tells the real truth they are demonized by the media who are all corporate owned and who have a different agenda than the people of this country. Clinton has aquiesced to this state of affairs and is now a well mannered lap dog for the corporate elite and frightens them not. Obama, being a less co-opted man frightens the elite because he might disturb the status quo.

Danni. Go get a history lesson. NYSE since 1792. This country was founded by rich WHITE men who didn't want to pay taxes.

Corporations made America. From Standard Oil to IBM. From Bethlehem Steel to Haliburton. From GE to Boeing.

America could not have founght and been successful in WWI without Corporations. There would have been no Corsairs without Pratt-Whitney. There would have been no aircraft carriers without the steel made in Bethlehem , Pa. Without Boeing's B-17's and B-25's, Germany's was manufacturing would not have been crippled.

America is nothing without corporations

nappy

actually, obama wrote the speech himself... not a speech writer

thanks for playing


Wright, wright, wright, wright... Booorrrriing. And so very unimportant. Go ahead America, vote for another 4 years of failure and lies and division. The world will still be laughing as we continue to stumble into an irrelevancy brought upon by the myopic stupidity of -- dare I say it -- red staters. Yes. Sorry. It's their fault. Creative intelligence? Science usurped by politics? Needless wars? The tarnishing of true values (like a human beings right to a trial and to be treated like, well, a human being). Lets keep going. Lets keep allowing elitists to use the working class to brand non elitists as... elitists! Let's raise a cheer for the smug, wealthy asswipes who claim class warfare when their smug, wealthy asses are questioned over economic policy that benefits their smug wealthy asses over those of less fortunate 'working' folk. Red staters elected Bush -- a spoon in the mouth failure who never worked an honest day in his life -- considering him one of their own. If that is the case, they're all failures, it's time to be take them to school, put the adults in charge, and take to task the elite who have been using these poor, misguided and ultimately unintelligent folk for their own nefarious purposes. The right is done. Evolution does that to an out of date species. Thank God for evolution.

Timbci writes: "America could not have founght and been successful in WWI without Corporations. There would have been no Corsairs without Pratt-Whitney. "

No wonder they were able to shoot down the Red Barron's Fokke Wolf Triplane so easily. They had Corsairs!!! I wonder where they were hiding the aircraft carriers?

"Corporations made America. From Standard Oil to IBM. From Bethlehem Steel to Haliburton. From GE to Boeing."

Regulated capitalism works great, those corporations during WWII didn't profiteer (because there were laws against it that were enforced) on the war effort. They didn't move to Dubai to avoid taxes and oversight. We've been in Iraq longer than we fought WWII yet still the corporations can't supply the uparmored vehicles fast enough to the troops. Tell me agains how you can compare the corporations of today with those of yesterday.....

Wright did no favors for Obama with this blame the white man tour he is doing.

He thinks the blacks in this country are still enslaved and no progress at all--wants an apology and really thinks that this bruhaha is about the black church and not about his remarks!

He is truly delusional.

He thinks the gov't is capable of anything including inventing AIDS and giving it to black people to wipe them out.

Obama is all over the place --he can't disown Wright, but he is now his "former pastor".

The only reason he is a Former Pastor is because Wright RETIRED!

He read off what the left in this country think--that America is evil and the cause of all the world's problems. He claims that the gov't lied about Iraq--that's untrue. He claims that the gov't has cut off food stamps to people--that is untrue.

He claims that the uproar is against the black church--that is untrue. It is about his remarks that he hates this country. He is divisive and this is not about the black church.

There are thousands of black churches that do not produce this hatred to the congregation.

I guess he would rather be under Germany Nazi or Japan emperor?

And I don't care that he served in the military--so did John Kerry and look what he did when he returned. BFD!

But what a great dig to Cheney--who hasn't said one comment about this idiot--clapping from the far left!!

This is not good for Obama at all. And it's going to go on for weeks--at least up to May 6th.

Murphy

bottom line

the closest thing to racist you can call obama is that his pastor is racist

the closest thing to racist you can call mccain is his own words.

Regulated my ass. Stand Oil had a monopoly and Rockefeeler had no problem killing off any competition. Bethlehem Steel ran a steel town in Bethlehem, Pa. and the workers were indentured servants. a division of IBM helped Nazi Germany organize the concentration camps.

Danni you should take a history. The corporations of the early 20th century were much more corrupt than they are today

Regulated my ass. Stand Oil had a monopoly and Rockefeeler had no problem killing off any competition. Bethlehem Steel ran a steel town in Bethlehem, Pa. and the workers were indentured servants. a division of IBM helped Nazi Germany organize the concentration camps.

Danni you should take a history. The corporations of the early 20th century were much more corrupt than they are today

TIMBCI you have your timeline confused. The Standard Oil monopoly was broken up by TR with the Sherman Anti-trust act in 1909. It was broken into 37 different companies.

the closest thing to racist you can call mccain is his own words.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-04-28 01:53 PM

Bottom Line--

Kliff is the troll for the day.

What "words" are you talking about from McCain?

The guy condemned the ad by the NC RNC on Wright. He wanted and still wants millions of illegals into the country.

McCain doesn't have a pastor for the last 20 years who spews hatred to his country or an American bomber for 13 years like Ayers for Obama.

Murphy

Way to mix lies with truth, Murph.

murph
call me a troll if you want

but the truth is
mccain did say this

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."


kinda like captain kirk said he hates all klingons

"damn you, VIET KHAAAAAN!"

he hates "gooks"
he hates martin luther king's influence on america

he has very close friends that call david duke a maverick

mccain is a maverick
david duke is a maverick

hmm???

he needs a lieberman to tell him the difference between sunni and shi'ite, "they're all gooks to me"

Uh no I don't. Standard Oil of NJ is Exxon and Standar Oil of NY is Mobil.

Uh no I don't. Standard Oil of NJ is Exxon and Standard Oil of NY is Mobil.

TIMBCI your point??? Those were seperate corporations now joined back together as per AT&T is doing too. The anti-trust laws haven't been enforced in the past 7 years, not sure they were in the previous 25. Corporate oligarchy decided they will allow themselves to do pretty much as they please. But...during WWII, they were seperate. And we had laws and enforcement to prevent profiteering.
The corruption we have seen in the Iraq War would not have been tolerated back then.

Reverend Wright's 'Brainy' Theories on Race
Rick Moran
Before reading this, I want you to imagine that the words are not being uttered by Obama's controversial preacher Jeremiah Wright but by, let's say, Pat Buchanan:


The bulk of his remarks addressed, however, different groups seeing each other as deficient. He acted out the differences between marching bands at predominantly black and predominantly white colleges. "Africans have a different meter, and Africans have a different tonality," he said. Europeans have seven tones, Africans have five. White people clap differently than black people. "Africans and African-Americans are right-brained, subject-oriented in their learning style," he said. "They have a different way of learning." And so on.


After jokingly mocking the Boston accents of former Presidents John F. and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., Wright said, "nobody says to a Kennedy, 'You speak bad English,' only to a black child was that said."


To say that there is a double standard at work when it comes to talking about race is made painfully obvious by Wright's words. Made before a gathering of the NAACP, these words would, if uttered by Pat Buchanan, would have set off a firestorm of protest that may have driven Buchanan from public life. Instead, Wright is lionized as a deep thinker - a scholar who is nationally recognized.

This is nuts. It is bilge no matter who says it. And the fact that Wright apparently can't tell the difference between a Boston accent and the incoherence of a language deficient child in the ghetto is stupid beyond belief.

Yes, but Wright is not an issue in the campaign, right?

oh he hates woman too

mmcain said that instead of legislation allowing women to fight for equal pay, they simply need "education and training":

kerrin i live in boston

and everytime i hear the boston accent it makes me cringe

someone speaking with the boston accent sounds as uneducated as someone speaking ebonix

sorry thats the truth

"difference between a Boston accent and the incoherence of a language deficient child in the ghetto is stupid beyond belief. "

they are both stupid accents

example using my own race

if you call the dell support team

they sound stupid and no one wants to call the dell support desk
why cause they have a thick indian accent

they aren't stupid... but their accent is stupid.

thats why its the most mocked accent in the world

"Instead, Wright is lionized as a deep thinker - a scholar who is nationally recognized."

What world do you live in? His words have been openly vilified.

these words would, if uttered by Pat Buchanan, would have set off a firestorm of protest that may have driven Buchanan from public life.

Are you fucking nuts?

All the mad assed shit that Buchanon has sed to date hasn't driven him from public life the above remarks wouldn't cause a kerfuffle in the slightest.

His brain dead flock would accept it as gospel truth and the rest of us would just say "There he goes again"

Are you asserting that there are no differences between African Americans and European Americans?

O'rly?

Well then... Somebody better tell Chris Rock.

Be Well.

April 28, 2008 11:10
The Reverend Wright
Posted by Joe Klein |

And furthermore, I've been to dozens and dozens of African-American church services over the years, including the investiture of one of my friends as an AME minister two years ago, and I have very rarely, if ever, heard the kind of rants that are part of Reverend Wright's canon. Yes, as many have pointed out, Martin Luther King Jr. gave some angry, angry sermons--especially about the obscenity of the war in Vietnam--but for Wright to say the attacks on him are an attack on the black church is to offer a straitened and solipsistic view of that grand institution. Black liberation theology is not the black church.

And worse, Wright's purpose now seems quite clear: to aggrandize himself--the guy is going to be a go-to mainstream media source for racial extremist spew, the next iteration of Al Sharpton--and destroy Barack Obama.

www.time-blog.com

"Yes, but Wright is not an issue in the campaign, right?"

Even if what you said about Rev. Wright it really still isn't that relevant to Obama's presidency any more than the priests, bishops and popes were important to Kennedy's. Or any more than Falwell's, Jone's, Oral Robert's, Billy Graham's were to Bush's. Any of those right wing preachers have plenty of comments that would make Rev. Wright sound like Jesus. When was the last time Rev. Wright recommended we assasinate an elected president of another nation???

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
-- Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

"And the fact that Wright apparently can't tell the difference between a Boston accent and the incoherence of a language deficient child in the ghetto is stupid beyond belief."

Language is a funny thing. It's all equal in its complexity, but some is worth more than others. The white Southern accent, for example, is widely regarded as the language of idiots, for some coincidental reason that the yankees (who talked like JFK, even then)kicked the living shit out of the drawling agrarian drawling podunks of the South.

Translation of Kerrin's comments. The corporate media will sound bite Rev. Wright's comments and attack Barrack Obama mercilessly.

I am hoping that AMerica is about mad enough to ignore them this time, we'll see.

I think we need Dem. politicians to start reminding America how much $$$ they have lost on their homes in the past year.
How much gas costs.
How much deficit every person in the US now owes. We need to beat the Republicans over the head so hard with economic truth that they will be busy defending not attacking....and that is why we need to get the nomination process finished.

Did I mention that Southern whites who speak with that idiotic accent sound truly moronic?

And that lazy drawl, like "I'll get my boy on it" with every word. Those dumbasses would never have built anything without buying slaves to do it for them under penalty of lynching or the whip.

Ooops. I thought we were to have a national conversation on race. My bad.

Corporations made a fortune during WWII and war profiteering is as American as sex in the afternoon with your secretary as your wife takes care of the kids or taking a shit in your neighbors pool while he is away on vacation.

Actually I have made money on my condo in the last year. Maybe you should have invested wisely.

If you can't afford gas maybe you shouldn't own a car. Take the bus

"taking a shit in your neighbors pool while he is away on vacation."

???

I guess the entry code at the main gate didn't keep you out. Lucky neighbors you have.

". Those dumbasses would never have built anything without buying slaves to do it for them "

The bride & I went through Hermitage a few years ago while on vacation. When the guide stated it was "a self-sustaining farm", my wife and I shot each other looks, knowing better. It wasn't until we got near the far reaches of the place the real facts were acknowledged: Self-sustaining, my ass. Andrew Jackson held 150 slaves.

Danni,

Yeah, I wouldn't want to have to defend the Dem's records either, so your strategy sounds like a good one, except...

1. The Dems have done nothing to stop the spending the Reps indulged in so heavily...they've had 2 years to do SOMETHING about it....

2. They plan to jack everybody's taxes through the roof.

3. They have no plan to reduce the price of gas, but many of them have favored gas-tax hikes in the recent past.

4. Democratic congresses NEVER balance budgets or reduce deficits....

5. When they lose the War, gas prices will go WAY up, as our sources of oil fall under Iranian influence...they will not be nice to us in setting the price.

So, what do they really have to talk about?

Race.

Gender.

Sock it to the rich!

Same old shit. People have heard it all too often. It is no longer convincing, since 60% of Americans own stock now and have a direct financial interest in corporations doing well. Dems know this, that's why they've prevented the fixing of Social Security...which keeps helpless old people beholden to the government in a way it was never intended.

Yeah, I'd attack too if I were them. It's just finding a good one.

Wait a minute! Weren't we supposed to rise above attack politics and stick to the issue that are important, like:

1. Losing the War

2. Jacking up your taxes.

3. Ruining the healthcare system for everyone.

4. Making the public schools worse...oh, that's right, they haven't really been talking about that one.....

Hmmm.....very tight spot.... Oh, I know!

MCCANE IS OLD! MCCANE IS OLD! MCCANE IS OLD! CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE! MCCANE IS OLD! EXPERIENCE...Oh wait, that one doesn't work...CHANGE! MCCANE IS OLD ! CHANGE!.....
GODDAMN AMERICA! Oops! CHANGE! CHANGE! SIEG HEIL!

"They plan to jack everybody's taxes through the roof."

Are you talking about the tax cuts expiring? The tax increases proposed, written, passed, and signed into law by Republicans?

"they've had 2 years to do SOMETHING about it"

it takes more then 2 years to fix 8 years of bush

as far as tax hikes.

cause borrowing money to pay for the tax cuts is smart

it doesn't matter you'll be making more money with dems in the oval office so the tax hikes won't mean much.

a vote for mccain
is a real "god damn america"

"that's why (Dems have) prevented the fixing of Social Security."

What a joke. After a year of dog-and-pony shows in front of loyalty oath signers, and seeing support for his "plan" eroding further and further, Bush finally admitted his proposals wouldn't even address the problems.

And I'll bet no one here can explain the "payback" provision, where you'd owe a check to the government each month if your individual account did too well. Everyone was running from that idiotic plan: Democrats, Republicans, everyone. The more people knew, the lower the approval rating went. And Bush couldn't get a single respected economist to sign on to his plan of no new taxes and no later retirement dates, all during declining population growth.

Time for some new talking points.


nappy

actually, obama wrote the speech himself... not a speech writer

thanks for playing

Posted by klifferd


Obama wrote Wright's speech for him? Wow, that's even worse than I thought... oh no, wait a minute, you think I meant Obama's speech two weeks ago? Which means you have no fucking clue what this thread is even about? Thought so...

Kliffy...accents? I think you missed the point.

By the way ...Those Dell people speak better English than many Americans.

Jon just tell me how much your dollar is wortht today compared to 2000, everything else is pretty much a reflection of that.
When you do manage to figure out how much buying power has been lost you might want to consider why that happened.
Clue here....the tax break for the rich helped, the war helped, the overpriced Medicare Drug Plan helped. Most Americans have lost a good portion of the equity they hoped would finance their retirements. Tell McCain to run on that platform and see what happens. Dems will be talking about it......they will beat McCain over the head with it and deservedly so. These people robbed you and you seem unaware of it. It must be nice to be so clueless.

sorry nappy

i misunderstood you

probably cause all i heard was "i'm a bigot" and "i'm voting for a racist"

"Obama wrote Wright's speech for him?"

Anyone have any proof of this or are we just talking out our asses again???? Hmmmm????

there is only one racist running for president nappy,
thats mccain

Yes, but Wright is not an issue in the campaign, right?"

Danni... the whole thing was from the article...not my comment. But spin it anyway you want ...many media lefties see how uncomfortable the Rev can make things for BHO.

I am very surprised that Wright is doing this.

"I am very surprised that Wright is doing this"

maybe its to force people to see that barack and wright definately don't see eye to eye on many many many issues.

Nah...Kliffy. He is show boating all for himself.
He is a smart man ...he should know this rhetoric would turn many conservative dems and indies off a bit.

BHO came off very well on Fox Sunday. What he gained ...Wright cost him.

Kerrin the Rev. will make things uncomfortable for Barrack but, were it me, I would want the opportunity to present myself in a more fair arena than the just the sound bites that have been used against Obama. After watching him last night, sorry, I just do not see him as a racist or crazy. He is enthusiastic, uses lots of humor and impressions, etc. but I found nothing he said particularly disturbing. Some have made the accusation that Obama or Obama's campaign wrote his speech but without any semblance of proof I just think that is bull shit.

I know I would rather have a member of Rev. Wright's church as my president than a member of the Walmart Board of Directors.

I would rather have a member of that church than someone who was buddies with Chalabi and encouraged the invasion of Iraq.

Okay Danni...why wear blinders. You know I don't like Obamas politics or his radical associations but hell...Wright is supposedly on Obama's side. BHO has a real racial barrier to overcome.... and this guy is fueling the fire. I don't give a crap about his color...his socialist politics stink.

Put Steele up and I'd vote for him in a heartbeat over Mac.

"Wright is supposedly on Obama's side."

actually kerrin

wright said if barack becomes potus
then wright will go after barack

not on the same side

barack thus already disavowed himself from wright in every interview he has done

Someone is fueling the fire, maybe Rev. Wright but maybe Fox News and the rest of the corporate media, and the Clinton and McCain campaigns too. I think the Rev. Wright is just trying to provide a more complete view of himself than people have been getting through the selected sound bites of those who desire to destroy Obama.

"his socialist politics stink. "

even still

much much better then mccains america hurting politics

wright said if barack becomes potus
then wright will go after barack



Yeah...and I have a bridge in Brooklyn if you are interested.


much much better then mccains


Kliffy ...matter of opinion. You see I don't think Mac is conservative enough! But I'll hold my nose for the lesser of the evils.

corporate media


Danni...If Klein was anymore to the left ....he would be on your left!

kerrin

"You see I don't think Mac is conservative enough"

i understand this

but bush was
and look what he did

we can go back to conservative once you've had some time to think about why conservatism fucked up and forgot who they were...talk to ron paul

and in 8 years we'll see if your ready to take the ball again

if you are.. i'll vote republican.

sorry nappy

i misunderstood you

probably cause all i heard was "i'm a bigot" and "i'm voting for a racist"


Naw... just your usual "read 3 words and knee-jerk a lame response". You ahh wickud retahdud.

but bush was
and look what he did


Ya ...baby! That is why I find it hard to buy Mac's flipping all over the issues.


8 years...

I would have bet the farm y'all had the next four in the bag...not anymore.

"Naw... just your usual "read 3 words and knee-jerk a lame response". You ahh wickud retahdud."

actually its because you posted your usual distraction from the real issues post

"I would have bet the farm y'all had the next four in the bag...not anymore."

maybe

but we have yet to see a dem vs rep debate

we'll talk again in july :)

and see whats the deal

sounds politician like to me

However one views the behavior of Bill and Hillary Clinton -- and however large the race issue looms in this election, and it looms large -- there can be no denying that an awful lot of Mr. Obama's troubles have come from his side of the table. The Rev. Wright fiasco undermined the fundamental rationale of the entire Obama campaign -- that it would be about healing, about putting partisanship aside, about reaching across ethnic and party divisions to bring people together in a new era of cooperation.

It's hard to continue making that case when the candidate's spiritual adviser is on television castigating America and scaring the hell out of at least some white people. Senator Obama did his best with his speech on race in Philadelphia, but the Wright story has extremely muscular legs. It has hurt the campaign far more than Mr. Obama's comments about guns and religion in San Francisco.

www.nytimes.com

actually its because you posted your usual distraction from the real issues post

You mean my post above where I said "What Wright said in his real sermons, when he did not think we were watching....that is what he is really about." How exactly is that a distraction from the issue of this thread, which has to do with Wright's speeches? I mean, aside from that fact that you disagree with it?

"It's hard to continue making that case when the candidate's spiritual adviser is on television castigating America and scaring the hell out of at least some white people."

No one that actually listened to him was frightened. That is pure baloney. The only people frightened by Rev. Wright were those who only heard the sound bites provided by nes media intentionally to damage Obama's political chances because, it is so obvious that the corporations who own the media don't like Obama. He frightens them much more than Wright frightens the people.

Danni,

The only people frightened by Rev. Wright were those who only heard the sound bites provided by nes media intentionally to damage Obama's political chances because, it is so obvious that the corporations who own the media don't like Obama.


Up until very recently, the "coporate" media has treated Obama as a Messiah.

Those SNL skits wouldn't have been funny if this wasn't the case.

It's actually refreshing to see him asked tough questions and be treated the same way that virtually every other politician is treated by the media.

Danni,

Read the transcript here:

www.cnn.com

Read where he says that white children and black children learn differently -- saying their brains function differently -- left brain vs right brain --so they learn differently. "African-American children have a different way of learning".

Read where he says that white people don't have the same rhythym as black people -- "If you got some white friends, they'll be clapping like this. You say they can't clap. Yes, they can. They clap in a different way."

Mind you, he is not saying that some people learn via right brain subjective means and other learn by left brain objective means -- this is a proven fact -- but he is making the broad-brush statement that RACES learn differently, and RACES think differently. He is not saying that some people have a sense of rhythm that allows them to feel synchopation and blues beats, he is saying that RACES interpret music differently. If I or anyone else right of center on here said that, we'd be attacked as racist.

White men can't jump? White men can't dance?

The guy is a loon. He is in the same camp as Jimmy The Greek who got fired by CBS back in 1988 for saying that blacks have bigger thighs so they make better atheletes.

How can you defend this guy as a gentle healer and keep a straight face? Every time he opens his mouth, he puts another hole in the hull of the USS Obama.


Rev Wright is fueling the fire. Why call a press confrence and shit on America???

"And everybody wants to paint me as if I'm anti-Semitic because of what Louis Farrakhan said 20 years ago. He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century; that's what I think about him. . . . Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery, and he didn't make me this color."

"The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

~Reverend Wright

He's right you know.

Or do you?

American over-influence in that region from supporting Saddam Hussein, supporting the Taliban and Al Quaeda, manufacturing the coup that lead to the removal of Mossagegh in Iran and the installation of the brutal Shah of Iran and his torturous SAVAK. Support of the corrupt Royal Saudi Family, unconditional support of Israel and cynical support of Egypt, the presence of too many troops in the region for too long are all factors here. The obvious grab to control the oil in the region is another. All of this has added up to create the conditions that caused 9/11 to happen and have led to the increase in support for the radicalised Islamic sects in the area.

Strewth.

Jimmy The Greek

Jimmy sed that one of the reasons blacks were better athlees than whites was because of the centuries long process of breeding slaves in order to create stronger slaves.

He was right too.

Some truths you can't say on teevee and thus poor ole Jimmy got fired.

Teevee news exists to hide unpalatable truth rather than to tell them.

More people need to learn this.

Be Well.

MCCANE IS OLD!

Agreed.

Older than Reagan was when he first ran fer POTUS.

Not only older but lamer too.

McAncient is too old.
McLame is too unfit.
McCunt is too much of a rage-o-holic.
McBush is too connected to BushCo.
McSame is a continuation of ruinous policies.
McCrash is a crappy pilot.
McTaint is a scandal ridden corporate whore.
McInsane is not playing with a full deck.
McStupid is, essentially, an idiot, economically.

America simply cannot afford to elect such an obviously unqualified disaster waiting to happen as POTUS.

Not. This. Time.

Be Well.

McClinton's a liar and socialist
McObama is a liar and a socialist.

Klifferd, a person is not racist just because they don't believe MLK should have a holiday in his name. There are two people who have a federal holiday in their name and they are George Washington and Christopher Columbus. The finder and founder of the New World. Some people just don't think that MLK's contributions to our country are quite as large as the two mentioned, and I'm one of them.


There are also people who felt that we had enough holidays already. There are many reasons someone may not have voted for a MLK holiday and not doing so does not make one a racist.

Yeah... from all these wonderful comments I can see we have gotten over our racial divide here in America so well!


And this has got to be the classic self retorting retort of the day:

No matter...ol' Spudsie is IMPOTENT! Can't vote, can't contribute funds...can only post inane drivel...LOL

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-04-28 12:54 PM


Congrats!

Rev Wright is NOT Obama's best drinking bud...THEY DON'T HANG OUT TOGETHER...and surely Obama does not make policy based on any counsel from the Pastor from his Church any more than I do from my doctor.

Rev Wright is NOT running for President... when I see the rightie-tighties and now Billary using Repubilican tactics like taking his words out of context and and runniing 30 second clips over and over to try and trash the man's whole life in order to try and "swift-boat" Obama it makes me wanna puke!

But, when you are trying to deflect from 8 years of
insanity and possibly more of the same what can you do?

Oh well good luck with that.

I am glad the Rev is Speaking up...he appears to be a good man.

And Danni ... I too think you Rawk!!! anyone who tries to truly be like Jesus can't be all bad...even if they slip up from time to time and are just men.







Spuds iz gonna be really unhappy when he groks that Rev Wrong is really Hillary in black face.


"Klifferd, a person is not racist just because they don't believe MLK should have a holiday in his name"

agreed, if he didn't say "i hate gooks"

lol



The GOP must already be planning the, "If you liked Reverend Wright, you're gonna LOVE Tony Rezko!!" fall ad campaign.

Hillary in black face

Did Corky just mention Hilldawg's
FACE?!

Blech! :>(

Dammit man, Spud was just about to bite into a sandwich and now me appetite is mysteriously gone.

Speaking of sandwiches...

Yer candidate is toast, Corkscrew.

Face it.

G08ama.

Be Well.

you're gonna LOVE Tony Rezko

~Corky

Who doesn't love Tony Rezko?

McBush will have a hard time talking shit about the guy who raised more money for George W. Bush than he ever did for Obama.

Obama paid the money he got back, btw.

Ya wanna have a real conversation about the state of religion and spirituality in America come the General? On the one side you Obama and Wright on the other side you got Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Rod Parsley and other "infamous agents of tolerance".

McLame is hated by the religious right fer calling them "agents of intolerance", btw.

Even now that he's sucking up to them big time like the inauthentic, unbelievable, lying sack of shit he is they, fer some reason, don't believe him.

Nobody should believe a word that crazy old coot sez.

A vote fer McAncient is like a vote for Bush is like a vote fer Clinton.

The same ugly machine with 3 different faces is all.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Deathspunk.....what will O'B Hussein do that's any better'n the others? Raise taxes? Cower from Babylon? Socialize healthcare and everything else he can? Make us a better, safer world?. You're a fuckin' pussy!

"You're a fuckin' pussy!"

nice argument for voting for McRacist

Fucking BusyB - anyone who has seen your posts knows that you were not the "A" student (which is fine - the world needs janitors too), but what the fuck? Are you twelve years old or something?

Montewhore...It's not complicated. You want a European-style socialism, or you don't. You are lacking in content and try to impress w/ cute degredation. You vote lib 'cause you think it makes you appear cool amoung the friends you'd like to have.

"i'm not a politician, i just play one in the pulpit..."

"i'm not a politician." I'm an anti-white bigot.

I'm not a psychoanalyst, I just try to play one on the DR.

BusyB

"i won't vote for someone because his pastor might be racist, but i'll vote for someone who IS racist"

-busyb

You mean....you guys disagree that Jerry is a racist? You find no fault w/ his words and insane theories? Come on....you gotta be kidding me. Damned, no wonder a dumbass like Bush won two terms against a buncha knuckleheads like you, especially if you are true representatives of your party. You don't have a friggin' clue!

"You don't have a friggin' clue!

Posted by BusyB at 2008-04-28 07:56 PM"

Classic.

"You mean....you guys disagree that Jerry is a racist? You find no fault w/ his words and insane theories? Come on....you gotta be kidding me. Damned, no wonder a dumbass like Bush won two terms against a buncha knuckleheads like you, especially if you are true representatives of your party. You don't have a friggin' clue!"

mccain himself said
i hate gooks

you disagree that mccain is a racist

yer selective hearing makes you double clueless.

Answer the question. What is your honest, unbiased opinion of the words from J.Right? Refresh us conservatives with your liberal insight. Maybe we can better understand your kind.

Answer the question. What is your honest, unbiased opinion of the words from John McCain?

cause last i check mccain is running for president and j.wright is not

you're gonna LOVE Tony Rezko

~Corky

Who doesn't love Tony Rezko?


A photo op = a 20 year relationship as political mentor, slum landlord partner, fundraiser, political fixer ( currently wearing an ankle bracelet Courtesy of the Justice Department for that one), assistant home buyer ( apparently using money from a known Iraqi Food for Oil criminal named Auchi), and close personal friend in Taterville.

Must be using Vernon's Calculator.


Lost in his PA debate-election debacle was the fact that Obama's name was brought up in the trial by the Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald's main witness as being present with Rezko at a party for Auchi, which testimony contradicts Obama's statement, reaffirmed afterwards, that he wasn't there.

Which ones? Most of what he says sucks....some doesn't, irregardless, he's a no brainer when it comes to him or a liberal socialist. The best I heard him say was in response to W's lame-brained comments about looking into the eyes of Putin, was "When I look into his eyes I see three letters....K-G-B." Well said. The kinda ass we need as CIC.

"Which ones?"
how bout "i hate gooks" only 8 years ago

He said that?....I can't believe it. You think there may be some kinda conspiracy to, say, settle the score in Nam if he's elected? He does kinda scare me in that way.

"He said that?....I can't believe it. "

dude you want me to prove it!

www.sfgate.com

www.dailykos.com

www.ocweekly.com

its a known fact he said this

thats yer candidate

listen

i believe mccain has full right to say these things considering he was tortured

but i wouldn't want a man like this to lead the country

just like i wouldn't want rev. wright who is in his rights to use racial slurs as well

both are really not racist
but have racialy motivated youths
thus a twisted sense of reality

wright isn't running for president
mccain is.

So Rev. Wright thinks Obama will say anything to get elected because it's what politicians do? Supposedly, this clown has known Obama for 20 years? Wright is an egotistical megalomaniac.

I don't care for Obama due to his stance on taxes and social nanny state positions but I can't believe Obama buys into this crap. That makes me wonder what the hell he was thinking going to this church for 20 years.

If Obama wants to be everybody's president as he claims, he needs to come out and squash this freak and the bullshit anti American, "poor me" racist fringe thinking.

If he does he could win big in November. If he doesn't he's badly damaged.

"It won't play too well in Sheboygan."

That it may not. But in my part of Wisconsin(neither Madison nor Milwaukee) Rev. Wright comes across as a thought, intelligent man of God.

BTW Obama has my vote and I am a moderate Republican.

Clearly, Reverend Wright is an intelligent,
articulate, handsome African-American male.
Obama is wise to have such good council. The
good Reverend is obviously compassionate to the
oppressed and has a special message to disenfranchised
members of the African-American community.

Myself, being a member of the European-American community,
I know that I am not qualified to judge the
actions of African-Americans. But I know one thing:

An Obama/Wright ticket is what this country desperately needs.

Be Well.

(Now I have 2 man-crushes - Obama & the good Reverend)!

Keep talking Rev.
Keep helping McCain...
All this time I have been an Obama supporter but now I do not know who to vote for anymore.
Under no circumstance I am voting for Hillary..
Barack needs to make another speech and deny this racist looser...
Republicans are going to have a very easy race leading to novemeber unless Howard Dean makes some serious moves...
We are killing ourselves again in 2008, unbelivable...ohh well enough said..
I guess now it looks like McCain will definately be our next president...

Rev.Wright Wow! What an egotistical windbag! This man is absolutely enraptured by the sound of his own voice - no matter how much sheer,half baked,moronic crap comes out of it!
If,like the old maxim states "A little learning is a dangerous thing" - then Rev.Wright is its true personification!

cmsa1r
"I guess now it looks like McCain will definately be our next president..."
wait till the mccain "i hate the gooks" comments makes it to the tv

doubt he'll become president then :)

The bad thing is this NAACP speech was tame compared to the National Press Club Q&A session.

For a while I thought I was back in a JR High cut contest. The Rev. did represent.

I'm sure the 8th graders will let him hangout with them from now on.

"I guess now it looks like McCain will definately be our next president..."
wait till the mccain "i hate the gooks" comments makes it to the tv

doubt he'll become president then :)

Posted by klifferd


Non issue. Most Americans can and will understand how a POW prisoned and tortured for 5+ years can hold this position.

Only the "building 7 was an inside job" fringes will think this is an issue.

Perhaps. They may think McTrollop's more hawkish than Bush warmongering is more important.

"I guess now it looks like McCain will definately be our next president..."
wait till the mccain "i hate the gooks" comments makes it to the tv.


Okay, and let's get rid of all our military vets in political office who ever said "Japs" whenever they spoke about their military service during WW II. Give me a break.

If Wrigth is not a politician--they why in the hell did he offer up himself to be the VP for Obama?

Wright is an entertainer for the church goer and misses all of the points of beign American and how great this country truly is.

You on the far left can roll your eyes and say whatever --

Obama has lost this general election and I think Wright is going is going to say I told you so--

Self fulfilled prophesy by the great Wright--You know he is getting a 1/6 million dollar home in Chicago.

Off the profiteering of hating America--just like Jackson and the Sharpton-charlaton.

It's great to be an American--except for this POS who hates America.

And lost the election for Obama. ANd it doesn't matter that this is "ONLY" his pastor. This will play out until Obama loses the election in Nov.

HIllary will run again in 2012.

The GOP wants to run against Obama now--

Is there a song that sings Goodbye Obama???

Murphy

1.6 million from the church--may be a 10 million dollar load with the church behind him--

Murphy

Wright is a Racist A Bigot and a Pimp, His congregation is made up of the Scum of Chicago. Good riddance to him and his brainchild Obama.

"Wright is a Racist A Bigot and a Pimp, His congregation is made up of the Scum of Chicago."

Luckily, we have non-judgemental people like you to lead the way.

"Most Americans can and will understand how a POW prisoned and tortured for 5+ years can hold this position."

hahah keep thinking this

the american people realize the president should be stronger then this

even if he was tortured
and guess what
thats how bush 2 beat him in 2000

it will come back to haunt him.
if nothing more then to inspire all the democrats that wouldn't normally be voting, just to stop a racist like mccain from the office.

lets see mccain uses gooks, tar baby's, can't tell the difference between shi'ites and sunni's (needs a lieberman to remind him-how embarrasing) who knows what else in private

says janet reno is chelsea clintons DAD
thus making homosexual jokes

what else

bomb bomb iran

is best friends with people who call him a maverick as well as david duke a maverick

mccain voted against woman being able to fight for equal pay so he scorns woman too

real maverick

wright couldn't dream to be half the racist and bigot that mccain is

Nice performance at the Press Club Dinner, Rev. A certain member of your congregation may want to consider dropping out of the presidential race.

"What do you mean?"

meaning in the 2000 election mccain used the word gooks and amongst other things lost the nomination to someone as dumb as bush. Mccains experience didn't help him against the double bankrupter and oil man fake texan bush.

bush used mccains words against him. this is one example.

it will be used again.

imagine a national tv add

"i hate the gooks, i have hated them my whole life" senator john mccain - 2000 - just 8 years ago

Danni wrote,

"After watching him speak it is hard to imagine how anyone could consider him to be anything except an inspiration. Different not deficient. If someone wants to make a case that he is a hater please first identify the minority which proves your opinion."

and

"BTW, those were some great moments for "Rick Sanchez and Soledad Obrien. They took the object of talking points and revealed the talented human being. They should be proud, I enjoyed that speech. Rev. Wright certainly proved to those critics open to the truth that he is a thoughtful, sincere, fair minded man who cares deeply about his fellow church members as well as his fellow Americans."

Well it looks like Obama has taken up your challenge Danni.

Yav wrote,

"I've watched the speech twice now. It was excellent. Entertaining and a great window into his perspective. I found it useful, too. He rationally challenged me on some things I wasn't quite conscious."

Well it looks like Obama has thrown you under the bus too Yav. He didn't quite get the same perspective as you from the speach rev. Wright gave.


FOR ALL YOU DIPSHITS WHO SPENT YESTERDAY DEFENDING THE ASSININE STATEMENTS OF REVERAND WRIGHT YOUR CANDIDATE JUST GAVE YOU A GOOD BACKHAND ACROSS THE MOUTH SAYING NO YOU ARE WRONG. HE PLAINLY SPELLED IT OUT THAT REVEREND WRIGHT IS INDEED DIVISIVE ON RACE AND HAS MADE OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT FOR WHICH HE HAS NO PROOF.

How do you explain this? Is your candidate mistaken or can you now admit the truth that you fully knew 24 hours ago?

Bee Swell

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