Wow, should be "Rebuilding"

Either way, I can't fathom voting for McCain under any circumstances, especially after this.

add this to all the other reasons why

mccain is the worst candidate

I don't know if I would either.

I think it's pretty stupid to live below the sea level when you live pretty close to the sea.

What about the $200,000,000 that Bush already gave them, did they spend it on lap dances?

"What about the $200,000,000 that Bush already gave them, did they spend it on lap dances?"

ask bush's fema director

I don't know if I would either.

I think it's pretty stupid to live below the sea level when you live pretty close to the sea.

Posted by bigjohn_1972

Same.

John Hagee
Televangelist & McCain supporter

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-04-24 02:25 PM

"No, no, no. Not God bless America. God damn America!"
Jeremiah Wright
Close personal spiritual mentor, friend, influence, and pastor of Obama for 20 years.

"Something racist."
Sincerely,
101 and Lee

It isn't the goverments job to re-build anything after an event.

We rebuild beaches with tax dollars and then we arn't even allowed to sit on the sand we paid for. People build houses on the beach, knowing that storms will come along and destroy the houses. We build a city below sea level and then cry when the salt water floods our lawns and homes. That ain't the half of it, many of the folks that had their homes destroyed by kritina sat on their fat asses and bitched that the illegal mexicans wern't working fast enough. They get a free trailer with a brand new carpet in it and don't have the sense to open the f****n windows to air the damn place out. Go figure.

We don't owe them a new place to live in. We don't owe them anything. F**k them all and the horses they rode in on.

Thanks, McScoop. About 2 1/2 years too late on this one.

I wonder if Hagee realizes that in the last hour before landfall, the eye turned from New Orleans, and made landfall at Pass Christian, Miss. I can honestly say that my born-again retired schoolteacher cousin wasn't spending her days there planning gay rights parades.

And as far a living below sea level, go ask the Dutch. Half their country is below sea level. It can be done, if you don't have the Army Corps of Engineers building a CANAL though the city. Especially when the canal ends up carrying a little over 1 barge per day on average.

Sniper, the list of stuff you don't think we should do as a nation via the government is starting to get way too long. Would you mind giving us some idea of what you think government should be used for? It might save some time.

McCain was correct to criticize Bush for the handling of Katrina. It was a federal, state and local failure on all counts.

As far as the liberal group MoveOn.org seizing on McCain's trip to criticize him for Hagee's support. Isn't that what MoveOn does?

Hagee's comments on why Katrina received this "judgment of God". Isn't that what wacked out preachers do?

However, I'm pretty sure McCain would "confess that those are not statements that I ever heard when I was sitting in the pews, uh, at this church."

Well at least Brownie got his Medal of Freedom.

"McCain Slams Bush Response to Katrina"

??? I read it twice to see where McCain SLAMS Bush. Couldn't find it in the article. Couldn't even find Bush's name in the article. Only place Bush is mentioned is the headline. I guess that is for the Democrats who just read the headlines and get pissed at Bush.

And about the $200,000,000 paid to LA. You would have to ask the Democrats that received the money. They are so crooked and sneaky that FEMA can't follow the money trails.

Plus Democrats find it hard to report on Democrats like Clinton's 30 days to respond. Can't mention the big "D" in articles. There are people out there that might google "Democrats, corruption".

"There are people out there that might google "Democrats, corruption"."

Democrats, corruption = 487,000 sites

Republicans, corruption = 523,000 sites


Oops.

google bombing is rampant.

Google it. heh

Two quotes from "pastors" that go a long way to prove religion is indeed a mental illness.

To date, these comments today made today by McCain are about the one thing I've heard McCain say I've agreed with. Saw McCain a couple of times on tv today saying that he would NEVER respond to a natural disaster (like Katrina) in the way Bush did. (Bush responded by flying over the place a couple days afterwards and that was it. He flew over New Orleans and the surrounding area, looked down from the window in his plane and shrugged his shoulders -- his way of giving Louisianans the finger.)

McCain said he would have landed at the nearest Air Force base to the disaster area and gotten right over there in person. That scored a couple points with me.

McCain also said he would do a cost assessment of where our money is going and divert money from such pork projects like Alaska's Senator Stevens (R) million dollar "bridge to nowhere" and put Congressional pork money into rebuilding the levees. But talk is cheap. I will want to hear more from McCain but this was a start. McCain is going to have to tell me a lot more how he will be different from Bush.

Do you know that for $20 million we could have rebuilt the levees in Louisiana? How long does it take us to spend $20 million in Iraq? Three days? 3 hours?

I will wait to hear what else McCain says from now on -- and I want specifics -- as to how he will be different than Bush.

" and divert money from such pork projects like Alaska's Senator Stevens (R) million dollar "bridge to nowhere""

Cute. Except that was killed months ago, so there's no money to divert.

LOL Danforth, boy are you stupid. Google search results is a "real" source for you? Are you really that gullible and stupid? really?

Democrats are far more corrupt that republicans in history, here is the real statistics that you can eat.

Here are the numbers.

Democrats under investigation: 260

Republicans under investigation: 35

Why do I know this and you don't when its public knowledge?

next time I will post total search results from google and argue with that. Like you. That way I will be on your level.

Also, please do research on last 40 years of corruption, and indictments. youll see Democrats are far far more corrupt, its a fact. More indictments.

Sorry Danforth, the facts are with me. Now your more angry huh?

Kuma

Kuma

OH and yes, MCBush sucks, such a panderer. Such a typical political remark. "I would land at nearest airfield!" LOL

Sure you would McBush. Sure. The guy doesn't even know his own parties platform, and comes on with a stupid remark.

Personal Responsibility and Accountability. Thats REAL conservative mindset.

McBush sucks.

Kuma

Number of militias in Iraq---28.

Fun with numbers.

"LOL Danforth, boy are you stupid. "

Kuma, you're a pussy. Last night you threatened to "crush me", but when I posted facts, you ran.

"Google search results is a "real" source for you? "

You were the one who set the bar.

"Democrats are far more corrupt that republicans in history"

Not according to the standard you set.

"Now your more angry huh?"

Kuma: corrected often; idiot still.

"It isn't the goverments job to re-build anything after an event."

So you also agree the government should not have paid anything to the families of those who died on 9-11?

Should we not rebuilt Iraq after they the got the shit bombed out of them?

It's amazing what anomination can do. Did he speak out when Katrina happended? They are all phonies but we have to choose one.

"Did he speak out when Katrina happened?"

He voted against emergency funding for NOLA.

McCain also said he would do a cost assessment of where our money is going and divert money from such pork projects like Alaska's Senator Stevens (R) million dollar "bridge to nowhere" and put Congressional pork money into rebuilding the levees.

~~~~

Posted by CalifChris

That is one reason why the hard core cons are beating up McCain over his vote against the "Bush" tax cuts because he didn't think there were enough spending cuts to justify it.

All this talk of a vote for McCain is just a third Bush term is partisan propaganda. It's not true.

"It's not true."

Bullshit. McCain has since endorsed making the tax cuts permanent. And he's yet to suggest one place to cut spending. In fact, his stances on Iraq and Iran are costlier.

If I am wrong correct Me but I didn't hear ole McBushSuckUp pitching a bitch towards Dubya right after it happened. Nah He has to "Wait" until it's politically advantagous to pitch a bitch against Dubya's handling of Katrina. What a laughing stock He is. Hell that is like condemning Your kid for wrecking the car 3 YEARS after the fact. What a pile of garbage this is.

Larry Mohr

I will wait to hear what else McCain says from now on -- and I want specifics -- as to how he will be different than Bush.

Posted by CalifChris

He isn't of color so you really owe him your vote.

"It's not true."

Bullshit. McCain has since endorsed making the tax cuts permanent. And he's yet to suggest one place to cut spending. In fact, his stances on Iraq and Iran are costlier.

Posted by Danforth

While you are correct that he has since endorsed making the tax cuts permanent. You are wrong about him suggesting spending cuts.

Do you want to research them or shall I do your homework for you?

If I am wrong correct Me but I didn't hear ole McBushSuckUp .......

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

What is the matter with you, Larry?

You can't say McCain or Bush without sounding like a kid in Junior High?

"...that is like condemning Your kid for wrecking the car 3 YEARS after the fact."

In related news, McCain has condemned Milli Vanilli.

As I get it now, McCain was adamantly against Bush's tax cuts, but now wishes to make them permanent; McCain was for his own immigration bill, but would now vote against it....

...flip-flopper, anyone?

"Do you want to research them or shall I do your homework for you?"

You made the claim, you provide the link.

Oh, and while you're at it, don't forget to add the costs of Iran, and 100 years in Iraq (no casualties, of course).

"You are wrong about him suggesting spending cuts."

Okay, what's he proposed cutting?

Nothing's the matter with Me. Just calling it like I sees it that's all.

Larry Mohr

As I get it now, McCain was adamantly against Bush's tax cuts, but now wishes to make them permanent; McCain was for his own immigration bill, but would now vote against it....

...flip-flopper, anyone?

Posted by BetelG

Yeah, he has flipped on both issues. That is correct. Frankly, that is one reason I didn't care for the guy. However, The reason for his change on the positions are valid.

"However, The reason for his change on the positions are valid."

LOL. Meaning, you like his new "maverick" positions that are the exact opposite of his previous ones.

And what has McCain proposed cutting in spending on the campaign trail?

"However, The reason for his change on the positions are valid."

LOL. Meaning, you like his new "maverick" positions that are the exact opposite of his previous ones.

And what has McCain proposed cutting in spending on the campaign trail?

Posted by BetelG

No, try to think.

It's better than the other options.

Mato-
Don't get me wrong. I admire the way you've bitch-slapped McCain into submission, but how do you think that and his heiress wife (whom he committed adultery with before he divorced his old crippled wife) plus his flip-flops will play once the Obama-Clinton saga has ended?

I realize it will take you fellows a while to absorb information you thought never existed.

Mato-
re: "And what has McCain proposed cutting in spending on the campaign trail?"

I thought it was a pretty simple question, but I guess not...

BETELG,

Don't get me wrong, but are you willing to admit McCain has purposed spending cuts?

"McCain Spending cuts"

from your link:

It's a huge bite that would affect a wide range of programs, none of which the campaign has detailed.

So, he's proposing 20% cuts, he just won't say on what.

Mato-
re: "And what has McCain proposed cutting in spending on the campaign trail?"

I thought it was a pretty simple question, but I guess not...

Posted by BetelG

Are you unable to click on links and read or something?

Mato-
re: are you willing to admit McCain has purposed spending cuts?

Was that when he was against Bush's tax cuts or now that he is for them?

Which McCain are we talking about, and what spending cuts, specifically?

"and what spending cuts, specifically?"

The ones he won't pin down, silly.

"information you thought never existed."

Here's a hint: until McCain says what programs, it still doesn't.

Danforth-
You don't mean that (gasp!), the ever evolving McCain has been so bold to mention that spending must be cut, but not so bold as to say where?

I'm shocked, but then as a liberal I suppose I'm susceptible to that sort of emotional fact-free response...

McCain Spending cuts"

from your link:

It's a huge bite that would affect a wide range of programs, none of which the campaign has detailed.

So, he's proposing 20% cuts, he just won't say on what.

Posted by Danforth

Glad to see you admit your statement...

"And he's yet to suggest one place to cut spending.

Posted by Danforth "

Is total bullshit.

Anything else you want to admit since you have the floor?

Mato-
This is kinda crazy, but you could offer an example and make all of us look silly...

"Anything else you want to admit since you have the floor?"

Yeah. You didn't read you own link, where it said he was proposing 20% cuts, "none of which the campaign has detailed".

Mato-
This is kinda crazy, but you could offer an example and make all of us look silly...

Posted by BetelG

I think you mean sillier.

As I would think anyone who has paid the least bit of attention, like ever, to politics and politicians: They all say they're going to both cut taxes AND cut spending, but the Republican Party has an especially big hurdle to jump, and McCain ain't even close to hitting the, admittedly pathetically low, bar set by Bush and friends.

I mean, I know he voted to slash $40 billion from welfare, child support, and student lending, but he also voted for tax breaks for oil companies, and a permanent extension of Bush's tax cuts. Oh, and hundreds of billions for the Iraq war.

MATO-
Hell, dude. Just tell us one actual thing that McCain would cut. Really, this is beyond a waste of time if you won't even do that.

Danforth-
re: "I know he voted to slash $40 billion from welfare, child support, and student lending..."

I didn't notice that he was running on that platform, did you? Oh, gripes, who knows where he stands on that now...

Have a ball. I gotta go.

"He's not exactly a straight talker."

Wow..not even on the same program.

Thanks for the link. Very eye-opening.

"Hell, dude. Just tell us one actual thing that McCain would cut. Really, this is beyond a waste of time if you won't even do that."

And 30 minutes later, Mato has yet to post one example.

"Hell, dude. Just tell us one actual thing that McCain would cut. Really, this is beyond a waste of time if you won't even do that."

And 30 minutes later, Mato has yet to post one example.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-04-25 02:00 AM

LOL....

So why did you say this 45 minutes ago?

So, he's proposing 20% cuts, he just won't say on what.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-04-25 01:14 AM

Wow, you's boyz are special. heh

"So why did you say this 45 minutes ago?"

Because until you or he can come up with one specific, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Have you found one yet? One, specific item McCain would cut?

Because until you or he can come up with one specific, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Have you found one yet? One, specific item McCain would cut?

Posted by Danforth

Wow, your either an idiot or a really bad troll.

Let's see....

You seem to be able to follow along enough to know you were wrong when you said McCain never purposed any spending cuts.

I'll give you credit for admitting you were wrong.

You seem to somehow have noodled through that he wants 20% spending cuts.

OK, good job.

However, since your stuck on what 20% will be cut you have decided it's all smoke and mirrors.

heh....that's funny.

"you said McCain never purposed any spending cuts."

I said until there are specifics, the 20% is meaningless.

"you have decided it's all smoke and mirrors."

Until he lays out the particulars, it is.

"your either an idiot..."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

I find Mato fascinating. Obviously, he's a troll, but what kind of troll is he?

At first, I thought he was just stupid, but unlike so many of his Rightwing Bund members, he can actually write sentences with both subject and predicate.

His arguments are complete nonsense, though. It's not that he takes particularly extreme positions, it's that he seems to not understand the concept of argument. He's not trying to persuade, or even debate a point. His entire MO seems to consist of contradicting someone else as a way of engaging them, and then feeding their responses back to them in the most annoying way possible. If this is his actual personality, I truly pity his family and coworkers.

He's kind of like a Turing machine, if Turing had been talking about assholes.

The media has given McCain a pass so far. If the election ever gets close (it not right now)the media will turn on him and that will be the end of John McCain III. There are a lot of skeletons in the closet, then there is the FBI files Hillary has.

And as far a living below sea level, go ask the Dutch. Half their country is below sea level. It can be done, if you don't have the Army Corps of Engineers building a CANAL though the city.

Posted by argh at 2008-04-24 09:27 PM

Funny you say that, because the Dutch are giving up land to the sea because it's just too expensive a proposition, and they don't even have to deal with hurricanes!

KBM posted....

"And about the $200,000,000 paid to LA. You would have to ask the Democrats that received the money. They are so crooked and sneaky that FEMA can't follow the money trails."

That isn't even one month of Iraq...the war that keeps on sucking. There is more money missing from the Iraq reconstruction fund that was even spent in LA. That's just the money missing with no accounting of where it went.

McCain now criticizing Bush for Katrina response....just too transparent....where was he when it still mattered???
If Democrats can't beat this flip flopping phony then they deserve to lose.

When will McCain go to the CHimp in Charge and appologize. He did it to Cheney!!

BIG FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP!!!
And he voted against spending on NOLA! He doesn't know what side of his mouth he is talking out of!!

KEADING FIVE - That is how he will ruin our economy!!!!! I have yet to see a loyal Bushie of McAlzhiemer's explain that one away!!!!

"All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that ... I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."
John Hagee
Televangelist & McCain supporter

McCain repudiated the remarks as "nonsense," but he declined to renounce the pastor's endorsement.

Why would he do that? Repudiate Hagee's vile remarks yet still embrace the televangelist's endorsement?

Oh, right, votes.

What a straight shooter this guy McCain is.

Check his votes toward the Katrina victims, for the Republician Party it is not good. This man is a Liar speaking from both sides of his mouth.

Everyone on the right continues to blast Sen. Clinton for feeling that she is intitled to the Presidency, well since when did being a War Hero entitle one to be President? In 2004 the Republicians spent the entire election blasting a true American hero John Kerry, for one who never served...Dick heads!

" and then feeding their responses back to them in the most annoying way possible"

Don't forget never giving a concrete example of his position.

After decades on the team that prides itself undermining the black community, I mean being social conservative, he wants to make nice?

Anyone in the GOP who invokes MLK, panders for votes in black communities; black photo ops or any other pandering mechanisms should explain theirselves first with the hopes that some will "forgive".

But to go in there without addressing your parties "social conservative" political stance and decades of inclusive resistance; You are looked at as an polically expedient racist that is now trying to say "I didn't mean it."

Good luck with that strategy.

if the katrina trailers were purchased from various manufacturers what about non-katrina
purchasers that are still using them

I think McCain is pandering to the left thinking in some perfected way that he will get their votes. Surely he should know the left better than that.

I am not going to vote for McCain.
But I believe him when he says he would never have allowed the incompetent response by FEMA and other US agencies had he been President at the time of Katrina.

In 2004 the Republicians spent the entire election blasting a true American hero John Kerry, for one who never served...Dick heads!

Posted by celisary

After they pulled the rice out of his ass because of the gernade he tossed, they sent his sorry ass home so he could lie about what was going on over there. If that's your hero, we are in trouble.

I am willing to let that one die on the vine if you are.

Sniper...

So wrong on every count in regard to Kerry (who's not someone I particularly care for.). If you choose to believe the smegma prattled out by Corsi and his traitorous ilk in order to help disgraceful human beings win elections, go ahead. It can't be fun being both stupid and spiritually ugly.

Bless, y'all.

"But I believe him when he says he would never have allowed the incompetent response by FEMA and other US agencies had he been President at the time of Katrina."

If so then why didn't he speak up at the time???

A day late and a dollar short.

"If so then why didn't he speak up at the time???"

Because the Bush doctrine hadn't made anybody unelectable yet. Opportunistic douche he's starting to be.

Three years late, couple billion dollars short.

Senator McCain, if you're reading this forum, listen.....

Your straight talk is appreciated, but use wisdom in what you say. Don't shoot yourself in the foot. If you have to criticise those who are on your side, do so vaguely and diplomatically. If you criticise your opponents, do so pointedly and sound-bitely.

You lost Jenna's open support for being too blunt --- and she influences plenty people.

Be careful.

"If you have to criticise those who are on your side, do so vaguely and diplomatically. If you criticise your opponents, do so pointedly and sound-bitely."

You're part of the problem.

McCain was too busy celebrating his 69th birthday with Bush, in AZ. His cake flown in on AF-1. Aug. 29, 2005, as Katrina was wreaking havoc.

Bush and McCain partied while NOLA drowned.

"Bush and McCain partied while NOLA drowned."

B-B-But...didn't McCain say "Mr. President, thanks for being here, but I realize you can't stay. I know you have more important things to attend to."

He didn't?

And now he's pretending he would have been concerned?

This is becoming a pattern. He's currently claiming he voted against the Bush tax cuts (the one time) because there were no offsetting spending cuts. Too bad he never brought it up at the time.