I hope we can pull off the upset here tonight.

Come on people from Pennsylvania.....shut this shit down!

People of Pennsylvania, just remember one thing and ont thing only:





SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR!

Nuff said, that ought to disqualify her from being commander-in-chief.

Say no 100 years of war, say no to McClinton!

Come on Hillary... keep the Clusterfuck Express rolling...

I love the DNC Primary system...

Finally this friggin day is here!

Good luck to both of the Dem candidates.

May they continue the race until the convention. ;o)


Murphy

SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR!

Nuff said, that ought to disqualify her from being commander-in-chief.

And Obama has fully funded it...

How many times you gonna post that, Corkinator? You're a machine.

I expect Clinton to win by 4-6 points, though Obama may win more delegates because of where they win. It should be enough to get her out of the race, but it won't be, thanks to Mrs. I Have to Win.

"One would think that if Obama can't close the deal, yet again, after outspending her 3 to 1 in a must-win state for Dems, that the SDs will take a new look at who can best win in the Electoral College."

I don't know anyone who would think that Cork, other than you.

What I think one would think is that not too long ago Hillary had a huge advantage in Penn and Obama has closed the gap to the point where it is unlikely that the vote today will have bearing on the nomination. Unless Hillary has a huge margin of victory she is destined in the end to face big a deficit of about 200 pledged delegates and also trail in popular vote.

At that point it would party suicide for the SD's to line up behind Hillary as the nominee.

Short of a Obama being caught in bed with another man or an underage girl the nomination is his.

Hillary wins by 11%, and the down on their luck crowd goes to service and then starts shooting the place up.

Corko is a machine? My money is on giant dildo.

-How many times you gonna post that

Until I get a good analytical retort to it around here. Meaning forever.

Supporters who want their candidate's opponent to get out of the race are afraid that they won't.

I expect Clinton to get the 4-5 in the polls + 4-5 of the undecided. But a win is a win, as I'm sure your candidate would tell you were he a little behind.

I think money is going to be what finishes Clinton, not anybody claiming she should drop because she's running second in a dead heat which could be decided by super delegates anyway.

-not too long ago Hillary had a huge advantage in Penn

20 points leads months out are almost always aberrations that most people know will tighten up. Also, they are excuses that candidates hang their hats on when they still lose.

-My money is on giant dildo.

We all knew that, Lil' Kev. Just try not to spend your allowance all in one place, 'K?

"20 points leads months out are almost always aberrations that most people know will tighten up."

What about a high double-digit just ONE month ago?

Wins bring money. As a matter of fact, the money that poured in after Ohio was millions in mostly small internet donations.

One would think that if Obama can't close the deal, yet again, after outspending her 3 to 1 in a must-win state for Dems, that the SDs will take a new look at who can best win in the Electoral College.

Bull shit. The Clinton camp has said this is their state from the get go. They opened up with a greater than 20% point lead in the state and that has dwindled. Moreover, if she had the money (i.e., the same support and campaiging skills as the Obama camp) she would be spending the same amount if not more in the state. It is a pathetic little argument from pathetic little minded people to say that Obama should win because he simply outspent Hillary there. She is from PA and has family there, Obama never had a shot. For him to come within 6% of the vote would be a miracle.

Hopefully she will win by enough to at least raise enough money to pay off her ridiculously expensive consultants...

"While debt owed to the firm run by the campaign's recently deposed top strategist, Mark Penn, began to accumulate a year ago, with $277,147 reported last April, his tab grew to $4.6 million by the end of March. Adviser Mandy Grunwald's consulting firm began extending services to Clinton's campaign more than a year ago, and is now owed $528,480, the report shows. The campaign owes MSHC Partners, a mail and microtargeting firm, nearly $1 million. And for three months the campaign owed $240,000 to senior adviser Harold Ickes's database firm, Catalist."

Because if not, there could be some real legal problems looming for them.

I have to say I found Hillary's "fear" commercial very funny - like a complete parody. Unfortunately I'm not a dumb white asshole in Pennsylvania, who might not find it funny.

I almost hope she wins by less than 10, as the whining, moaning, and bitching around here after he loses is always so pathetic.

All Obama needs is about 75-85 Super-delegates (about 1/4) and this thing is done.

Even if Clinton wins every state left, she will still need the vast majority of remaining super-delegates to pull even. Zero room for error. All while being outspent and out-maneuvered on the ground.

And gee, where did all the references to SNL go? Aren't they the experts according to the resident Hillary shill? Or is that only on weeks it is convenient for Hillary?

Until I get a good analytical retort to it around here. Meaning forever.

Great. So, even if Obama wins, we can look forward to hearing Corky bitch about how unfair it was until the end of her natural life.

Goody.

AhHa, something we agree on Corky! If she wins by 4-7% as I expect with a net pickup of maybe 10-14 delegates you'll have to keep an eye on your toes to keep them from getting crushed in the stampede of SuperDelegates declaring support for Obama.

Because if not, there could be some real legal problems looming for them.

Nobody can sue me! I'm supposed to be president!

-HRC

-Goody.

Messy Nessy would be the last poster from which one might expect an analytical retort to the link showing a big Electoral College advantage for Clinton.

"If she wins by 4-7% as I expect with a net pickup of maybe 10-14 delegates"

According to several sources I've seen, because of the way the delegates are distributed, she could win by up to 15 points and only gain about 9 delegates.

20 points leads months out are almost always aberrations that most people know will tighten up.



poster from which one might expect an analytical retort to the link showing a big Electoral College advantage for Clinton.

Posted by Corky at 2008-04-22 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pick a side and stay on it Corky Lieberman, your spinning must be causing a cerebral aneurism.

"Electoral College advantage"

Corky wants to play the futures market now. I guess when you shit in your bed and your too stupid to get out of it, the best you can do is hope for a less pungent tomorrow.

-your too stupid

The self-retorting post. A classic.

Watch how all these bitter, gun-totin', xenophobic and distrustful people cling to the "Anyone But Obama" lever today.

Messy Nessy would be the last poster from which one might expect an analytical retort to the link showing a big Electoral College advantage for Clinton.

Yeah, mainly because I don't post bullshit.

And what's the deal with "Messy Nessy"? Is that supposed to be insulting? You and Rode_On should get together.

Supporters who want their candidate's opponent to get out of the race are afraid that they won't.

Obama would never be in this race today if he had lost the states Clinton did and lost 12 states in a row and was a lock to finish second in pledged delegates. But fear is pointless. I'm certain Clinton won't drop out, no matter what happens, no matter what damage it does to Obama's chances in November. She's the least gracious also-ran in modern U.S. politics.

The electoral college mapquest is not a barameter for the Dems.

If the state is a blue state--Obama would likely win it--I don't get how this has been an argument for HRC.

She argues that since she won the big blue states that she should be nominated.

Well--by any argument Obama would likely win that state --if she wasn't in the race--Duh! We can all probably agree that blue is blue and red is red.

The first one to 2025 wins the nod.

HRC only hope is for the SD to back her despite what the state did or voted.

Do you see Pelosi--who should vote for HRC since the state of CA went that way? How about Kennedy to go HRC?

They get to vote who they want. Will it be enough for Obama to get to the magical number?

Two more months to know that answer.

And that's if Dean gets his demands that the SD vote June 7th or whatever.

Murphy

I am hoping Obama does well enough to impress the SDs who will then tell Clinton that enough is enough. Too important of an election for one woman's ego to stand in the way of a victory for the Democrats.

Rcade--

I disagree--if Obama was in second place--he would still be in the race--same as HRC.

The heat would be more intense for him to drop out--no doubt--especially with his last couple of weeks.

But people are sending him money--I do wonder where he is getting that much money--astounding amount.

But like Huckabee--he waited until McCain reached the number and then gracefully bowed out.

If Obama gets the number then HRC will bow out--if not--then charge on hell or high water!

Murphy

"One of President Nixon's daughters, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, apparently supports a Democrat in this year's presidential contest -- Barack Obama.

Eisenhower has contributed the maximum amount allowed during the primary season to Obama's campaign: $2,300. Federal Election Commission records show she gave Obama's campaign $1,000 on Feb. 4, another $1,000 on Feb. 18 and $300 on March 5."


How 'bout them apples?

-Obama would never be in this race today if he had lost the states Clinton did and lost 12 states in a row and was a lock to finish second in pledged delegates.

So, he's not only a bumbling, defensive debater who thinks he shouldn't be questioned, but he is a quitter, too?

The only people calling for Clinton to get out of the race are those who are afraid Obama will fuck it up with some knew gaffe, or be called to testify in the Rezko trial, or be found out to be friends with Timothy McVeigh or someone.

This race is too close for the pledge delegates to determine a winner, and if it were Obama or you or anyone else in her position, getting out of the race while you are the only candidate proven to win the dem base in big swing states would be unthinkable.

Danni--it's not just Hillary and her ego--it's Bill-o's ego too.

And that is partly the reason for her staying in this long is to kick the crap out of Obama for the general.

Because when Obama loses the general--HRC will say I told you so and run again in 2012 against McCain.

Murphy

-knew gaffe

gnu gaffe?

"Because when Obama loses the general--HRC will say I told you so and run again in 2012 against McCain."

Hillary isn't going to run in 2012. Already her history is her Achilles heel, by then her history of wrong votes on key issues will prevent her from even being considered, not to mention the blame she will receive should Obama lose.....which HE WON'T....it won't even be close. I think everyone except Republicans who are trying to kid themselves know that.

20 points leads months out are almost always aberrations that most people know will tighten up. - Corky

Alright then, Cork. Name me a state where Hillary Clinton has actually done better than her poll numbers months out. There isn't one. Every single day she campaigns, her numbers get worse. Every time.

"The only people calling for Clinton to get out of the race are those who are afraid Obama will fuck it up with some knew gaffe, or be called to testify in the Rezko trial, or be found out to be friends with Timothy McVeigh or someone."

Baloney. Those of us who blame Clinton for NAFTA, blame Hillary for voting for the war, etc. want her gone! She hasn't even been a good senator for crying out loud.

-Those of us who blame Clinton for NAFTA

Delusional, as she was against it from the beginning and has in recent years called for re-working the agreement. The only time she supported NAFTA was publicly as part of the administration.

-blame Hillary for voting for the war

Yeah, Bush would have never invaded preemtively and prematurely if Clinton hadn't have voted the way she did.

-Every single day she campaigns, her numbers get worse

Is that Barack "Call me Rudy" Obama losing more votes the more he spends on TV ads?

I thought Obama went from 20+ points down to single digits, no?

There are big reports of voting machines breaking down in Philly primarily in black neighborhoods. This needs to be addressed immediately.

I'm certain Clinton won't drop out, no matter what happens, no matter what damage it does to Obama's chances in November. She's the least gracious also-ran in modern U.S. politics.

Exactly, and just you watch, the Clinton camp is going to try as hard as they can to get Obama to blow up or screw up in some way, just so they can get the nomination.

I love how Clinton supporters, who listen to Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan (which in one way says a lot about Clinton supporters), say, "this isn't a tough campaign, wait to see what the republicans do to him." First, Obama isn't running up against a republican yet, so we don't know how he would respond in that situation. It could be that Obama has refrained, as long as possible, from attacking a fellow Democrat, but we haven't seen his response to a true political advisary as of yet. Secondly, by pulling these tactics of personal destruction, the Clinton camp is providing ammunition to the Republicans. After the Dem primary is done, and when Republicans start attacking, they can simply say, "Hey, Hillary did it, what's the problem?"

There are big reports of voting machines breaking down in Philly primarily in black neighborhoods. This needs to be addressed immediately.

Posted by reznwerks


I recomend teargas and rubbber bullets. plenty of 'em.

Speaking of NAFTA, and off the subject, I am looking down at W, the President of Canada, and the President of Mexico from my building. They are in the park right across the street and are going to be planting trees together. I am on the 39th floor of my building and I can see snipers on rooftops all around the park.

Yeah, Bush would have never invaded preemtively and prematurely if Clinton hadn't have voted the way she did.


Posted by Corky at 2008-04-22 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:


By no means does she stand alone in "The Spotlight of Blame" for that vote but if she had been a leader rather than a follower on that issue things might well have turned out very differently. For instance, if 45 Democratic senators had said "not no but hell no" to Bush and screamed it to the rafters outcomes may have changed substantially.

I'm a neo-leftist and I listen to Scarborough and Buchanan....the dudes are pretty cool.

says a lot about you that you don't, doesn't it?

Until I get a good analytical retort to it around here. Meaning forever.

----

You do realize there are states where Clinton only has a 1% lead over McCain and some of those polls were done 1 month ago.

OR, NV, MN, MO, NJ, FL are the states that Clinton is leading by 1% with a total of 75 electoral votes.

There are no states where McCain is beating Hillary by 1%.

Hey Rob, why don't you chew on this:

www.drudge.com

for a while?

Posted by member2586


Member... if you remember, McCain caused a stir in his first presidential run when he called the Vietnamese "Gooks" and then refused to apologize...

Something tells me the pleas from terrorists... I mean Muslims... are going to go unanswered...

Just another reason to vote for John.

Quoting things in context is hard...you have to actually comprehend it. Take a cue from the media and the shills. Pick your narrative before-hand and forget about things like facts and reality.


"I...am...a...rapist...of...li
ttle...boys"

-Corky

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Is that Barack "Call me Rudy" Obama losing more votes the more he spends on TV ads?"

LOL. When facts don't work, make shit up.

If that fails, use buzzwords so everyone misses the point entirely.

When all else fails, scare the crap out of them.

More of the same.

If I had to sum up www.electoral-vote.com, I would say:

Clinton has a larger yet more unstable lead over McCain while Obama has a smaller yet more stable lead over McCain.

Messy Nessy would be the last poster from which one might expect an analytical retort to the link showing a big Electoral College advantage for Clinton.

Corky, supposing the electoral vote map is correct, are you suggesting we should base our support on who will likely win by the most electoral votes?

I prefer to support the candidate I believe will best lead.

Why is BHO afraid to debate Hil in N.C. ?
It has been cancelled in favor of a breakfast with the candidates.

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by _2112_


Yeah, as in go to hell Hillary! The Devil is retiring and they need someone to take over his job. Imagine, the first femail Devil. what a way to break the glass ceiling! Or is is floor?

Pirate,

If Hillary and her supporters want to stake everything on an assumption for 6 months from now, then so be it. Seems to me they've made this mistake once before about 6 months ago.

Can you smell what Hillary is cooking?

Posted by Corky at 2008-04-22 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:


Loser stew?

"Can you smell what Hillary is cooking?"
--CORKY

Tuna casserole?

"Can you smell what Hillary is cooking?

Posted by Corky"

A McCain "family" recipe she got from Cindy?

"I...am...a...rapist...of...li
ttle...boys"

-Corky

Posted by kevin23

Internet posters are so brave. But it must be rather embarrassing for his one, the thought originating with him; a typical psychological projection of his secret desires on the blog for everyone to see.

-If I had to sum up www.electoral-vote.com, I would say:

Clinton has a larger yet more unstable lead over McCain while Obama has a smaller yet more stable lead over McCain.

Lessee, 50 "unstable" votes vs 6 "stable" ones?

Yeah, that's a tough decision, lmao.

"Can you smell what Hillary is cooking?

Posted by Corky"

Decrepit pastrami curtains and crown royal.

"Can you smell what Hillary is cooking?"

Posted by Corky at 2008-04-22 01:15 PM


Considering her campaign finances, she's probably cooking the books.

No, she's cooking up some half-baked Barackoli .

Ham hocks and black-eyed peas? No wait, that's what Obama's cooking!

perhaps the recency effect of this win for Hillary will have an effect on the SDs.

what does Indiana look like?

"Ham hocks and black-eyed peas? No wait, that's what Obama's cooking!

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE"

Why would he be doing that?

"Internet posters are so brave. But it must be rather embarrassing for his one, the thought originating with him; a typical psychological projection of his secret desires on the blog for everyone to see."

WTF? Is this gibberish or is it really just a sad attempt at being rubber and accusing me of being glue?

Either way, more great stuff from the biggest joke on DR.

"Considering her campaign finances, she's probably cooking the books.

Posted by Zatoichi"

FF for Zat!

Hillary will have to make sure the WH press corps hides her gi-NORMOUS ass from the cameras the way they hid FDRs wheelchair.

I saw an idiot reading the NY Times today on the train, noticed a candid photo of Hillary standing in an open area on the outskirts of a small airport runway. Christ what a big hulking set of ass and thighs. I mean holy shit even from a long distance it is comically out of proportion.

but I'd hit it.

"20 points leads months out are almost always aberrations that most people know will tighten up. Also, they are excuses that candidates hang their hats on when they still lose."

I think you do have to admit though that Hillary losing her cushion after voters from a state get to know Obama and see him in person has been a trend throughout this process.

A lot of voters seem to go for Hillary early on because they already know her but when they learn about Obama many are changing their minds.

Actually carrying this all the way through all the primaries may not be such bad idea for Obama. This could benefit him greatly in states where he's yet to campaign heavily.

Naw, Lil' Kevie, the big joke is the poster who has to resort to accusing another poster of raping little boys, since he himself has so little to offer.

One just wonders why that is on your mind to begin with, you slapdick motherfucker.

Hillary Clinton has to run away from her own record and promise not to vote as she has in the past. That isn't leadership that is poll reading.
She was on record as being in favor of NAFTA.
She did vote to give the President the authority to use force in Iraq and then compounded that error in judgement by voting to allow the Iranian Republican Guard to be branded terrorists.

Politicians have to have their feet held to the fire and Hillary's can't take the heat she ought to get out of the kitchen.

Corky! Potty mouth! Shame on you!

* leading McCain by 50 while 75 are only determined by 1%

Give them hell Corky!

Evil

I have to give Pinche Mao 5 cents every time I use that trademarked phrase.

Corky,
It made me laugh...that's a good thing today.

"Naw, Lil' Kevie, the big joke is the poster who has to resort to accusing another poster of raping little boys, since he himself has so little to offer."

Exactly. It's your MO, your whole persona...you in a cliff note form so even you can understand yourself. Glad you finally see it.

"One just wonders why that is on your mind to begin with, you slapdick motherfucker."

LOL. Awwwww. Poor dorko got her panties all bunched up. Lash out at that world that done wronged you!

More great stuff.

Keep on fantasizing about little boys, Lil' Kevie. It appears to be what you are best at.

I think Corky's candidate McCain, has a great chance this year.

Straw men imitating from straw brains? Not much new there.

emanating

I'm itching to make a bet --

I'll say Hillary wins by 8 percentage points.

"Keep on fantasizing about little boys, Lil' Kevie. It appears to be what you are best at."

More "rubber/glue" retorts? lol.

One day you'll graduate to "yo mama" ... I think it was around 4th grade, so a few years yet for Corko.

Yeah, like saying that another poster rapes little boys is so mature, Lil' Kevie.

That it says more about you than me is self-evident.

"Yeah, like saying that another poster rapes little boys is so mature, Lil' Kevie."

Tit for many tats.

"That it says more about you than me is self-evident."

Assumes you.

But then again, that's what you do best isn't it? Assume the worst of your detractors and drown them out with childish attacks. Like I said, your MO.

It is pretty obvious that Clinton is going to win - but it is equally obvious that no matter what happens, the Obama supporters will still claim victory as long as they crack 30% of the vote.

What I also find surprising is the constant complaints about voting machines breaking down in black areas - at some point you have to think 'user error' or 'outright lying' as this has been a theme for election after election.

What will be interesting is seeing if Hillary will start throwing around Rezko's name. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Reps will use Rezko so much that people will think he is running as Obama's Veep.....this in addition to the swift boat ads launching in NC currently by a Rep 527...

And I directly quoted you about your taste for all things young and male. My quote was at least as accurate as the quoting you do regularly to avoid a point. See above for plenty of examples. Your reputation simply precedes you now.

"I...am...a...rapist...of...li
ttle...boys"

-Corky

I could be wrong. At his age, Lil' Kevie's fascination may just be a prelude to dating.

Califchris,

8 points?

I say 11 points and hope for a landslide.

Wishfull thinking but what the hey.



GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But those two dumps will be hard for him to swallow.

"I could be wrong. At his age, Lil' Kevie's fascination may just be a prelude to dating."

Regardless of his age, he's obviously a douchebag.

Nothing like a closet pedo (Kevin23) to add a little creepiness to an otherwise uneventful thread.

"You can bet your bottom dollar that the Reps will use Rezko so much that people will think he is running as Obama's Veep"

Hmmm....I wonder if McBush's wife Cindy and her Dad will come up in relation to the Keating Five which was part of McBush's past??? I think it might have more traction as we watch the goings on in our banking industry today, brought to us by those same good folks in the Republican party.
And like....if Clinton got the nomination the REpublicans would be just out of ammunition....riiiight!
The REthugs will use dirty tactics no matter who the Dems nominate, so far the attacks seem to roll off Barrack's back because people are realizing that the attackers have an agenda.
After Hillary met with Scaife, Murdoch, and others she became one of the "good old boys."

Straw men imitating from straw brains? Not much new there.

McCain is the only one getting any help from you, so I'll stand by my statement.

"The REthugs will use dirty tactics no matter who the Dems nominate, so far the attacks seem to roll off Barrack's back because people are realizing that the attackers have an agenda."

Are you f'ing serious? Obama's negatives are now >50%....so I don't see how you can argue that the attacks (mild attacks thus far by Clinton) have 'rolled off his back'....Further, I don't think 30 year old Keating attacks against McCain (where he did not seem to personally benefit) will have any impact whatsoever. McCain's approval rate will only increase between now and the election as the Rep's polarize against the Dem's and the Independents continue to move into McCain's camp. McCain by 20%+ in the general.

Regardless of his age, he's obviously a douchebag.

Posted by nullifidian

Amen.

"Obama's negatives are now >50%...."
--JACQUE_STRAP

Not an Obama fan, but unless you have a link I have a hard time believing this.

"That it says more about you than me is self-evident."
--CORKY

Assumes you.

Posted by kevin23

(where he did not seem to personally benefit)

But his wife and her father did and why does he file seperate income tax returns from his wife??

You say he has 50% negatives even while Hillary's are about the same and most folks realize too that the new Democratic voter registrations are probably mostly doe to Barrack.

"McCain's approval rate will only increase between now and the election as the Rep's polarize against the Dem's"

Yeah, as our home values fall drastically we're going to all start supporting McBush who wants to continue the same policies.

It appears that the Hillary and McCain supporters need to hope for Americans to not know who has been screwing them, who enabled them with NAFTA, who voted for the war that is costing all of us.... on and on and on. Who knows, maybe America is that dumb but I hope not.
It isn't an accident that better educated folks tend to vote Obama, it isn't an accident that younger voters vote Obama.

"Obama's negatives are now >50%.."

I'd love to see a link on that. I couldn't find a single poll with his negatives over 50%. They all look pretty much like the WSJ poll, or better.

"Clinton's personal approval rating has dipped significantly according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, with 48 percent of Americans holding a negative view of her compared to the 37 percent who hold a positive view. For Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., the ratings are better: 49 percent positive, 32 percent negative. March 27, 2008"

"Not an Obama fan, but unless you have a link I have a hard time believing this."

Haven't met Jacque, have you? That's his basic MO. Throw out numbers which have no basis in fact.

Did you know his latest prediction is McCain by 20+ points, and he's giving 10-1 odds? Trouble is, I can't seem to get him to respond to my accepting the bet. Jacque keeps running away.

"who voted for the war that is costing all of us...."

That would be all 3 candidates. Obama has voted for the war on 13 separate occassions since becoming a Senator - a record that is identical to Hillary. If you vote for any of the 3 (or support Pelosi and Reid) you are supporting the war. Get with the program already!

"That would be all 3 candidates. Obama has voted for the war on 13 separate occassions since becoming a Senator - a record that is identical to Hillary."

The spin you choose is to pretend his votes for funding is the same as voting to give Bush the authority to invade in the first place. It isn't the same and there are very good reasons why even those opposed to the war support the funding.
But then, you know that, it's just spin.

Keep up the good work, ladies!

It is amazing how self destructive the Dems can be without really even trying.

Danforth - I will give you the same deal I gave to Americanunity.

If Obama wins* the general, I will send you $100 to your paypal account.

If Obama loses, you send me absolutely nothing. Instead, you will write an appology to your children and grandchildren from supporting an unelectable douchebag in the most important election that has ever faced this country. You will take full responsibility for McCain becoming president because you failed to see just how poor of a candidate Obama was. You will also not be able to blame anything that happens in the coming 4 years on McCain or the Republicans because it is your fault that he is elected president. I will proof and approve your appology before posting it on the forum.

Deal?

*Wins meaning he is given the position of president (not a 'win' like Gore did)

"Deal?"

Are you joking? Your prediction was 20+ points, and that's what I accepted. Why are you welching?

"It isn't the same and there are very good reasons why even those opposed to the war support the funding."

No, you dumbass, there are no good reasons which is why the Dem congress (which was elected to end the war) has the lowest ever poll numbers. It is the reason why even the Dem party looks on Pelosi/Reid with disdan. You can continue to carry the water of the Dem party all you want, but I refuse to do it any longer. I stopped being a Dem the day Pelosi took impeachment off the table. The Dems will lose in the general because they deserve to lose.

"Are you joking? Your prediction was 20+ points, and that's what I accepted. Why are you welching?"

Please link to the post where I agreed to bet you that McCain will win by 20%+ or shut the hell up. He will win by 20%+, but I would not bet you because I have no interest in taking money for your family due to your stupidity. It is tough enough for you to feed your family now withou me taking food from their mouthes. So, I offer you the same deal that I gave Americanunity - do you accept or not?

"No, you dumbass"

When that is the best you can do in a discussion it reduces my opinion of your post to the point I don't read it. Obviously a Hillary or McBush supporter. Funny, more and more that seems synonymous. Perhaps if Hillary loses the Dem nomination McBush will let her be his running mate.

"He will win by 20%+, but I would not bet you because I have no interest in taking money for your family due to your stupidity. "

Oh, but I have a lot of interest in taking money from you and your family due to your stupidity. Are you willing to bet on your outrageous blather of 20+ points, or are you going to admit it was nothing but bullshit?

Danforth,

Take the bet, dude. You either get a hundred bucks or spend 5 minutes writing some dumb apology letter.

Sounds like you got nothing to lose (except 5 minutes).

"Obviously a Hillary or McBush supporter."

LOL, your reading and comprehension skills are matched only by your financial prowess. How do you deduce that I am a a McCain or Hillary supportor when I am clearly against funding the war?

You can live in your fantasy world where butch lesbians dance with unicorns under rainbows and Obama is able to bring peace and harmony to the world - but I choose to live in reality where McCain kicks Obama's ass in the general and if you vote for the Iraq war at least 13 times, you can no longer claim you are against the war....

Live or Die - I agree it should be a no-brainer (which is right up Danforth's alley) to take the bet. Unfortunately for him, he has enough common sense to know that McCain will win the general so he is playing it smart. Sorta tells you all you need to know about the Obama fanatics....

Jacque,

Why are you running away from your 20+ point boast? Are you going to back it, or admit it was bullshit all along?

This race may be over tonight. The PPP poll has Obama up by 3 points. They have one of the best track records this election cycle, and they were the best on Ohio and Texas. They were within 1 point in Texas and 2 points in Ohio. They have consistantly beat Rasmussen, Gallup, and Zogby. Historicly they are within 7 points. That means that at best Clinton wins by 4 points, and at worst she loses by 12. Either way it is over.

"Why are you running away from your 20+ point boast?"

Danforth, I fully believe that McCain will win by 20%+ in the general unless some freak occurance happens (Obama fakes an assassination attempt like the pres. of Taiwan did 4 years ago). However, I am willing to extend the bet to you on exactly the terms I outlined before as I do not want to place additional strain on your family (I know that you are struggling as it is) thus I have no interest in taking your money.

Its over no matter what. Hillary is out of money.
Notice how Al Gore has remained totally silent on the endorsement front.

It's because Al can't constrict Hillary's cash pipeline AND endorse Obama at the same time.

he has successfully put his boy in by draining Hillary of dollars

Dan--are your going to take the bet or not??

The 20 points is not on the table--take the bet or not...

Politicians have to have their feet held to the fire and Hillary's can't take the heat she ought to get out of the kitchen.

Posted by danni at 2008-04-22 01:45 PM

Uh--Danni--

That would be Obama's deal--since he now chickened out of a debate with HRC in NC.

He will chicken out of the ones with McCain as well--or they will have to be scripted because the man cannot answer a tough question. He did awful in the last debate and doesn't want a repeat.

The phoney baloney from Illinois.

The spin you choose is to pretend his votes for funding is the same as voting to give Bush the authority to invade in the first place. It isn't the same and there are very good reasons why even those opposed to the war support the funding.
But then, you know that, it's just spin.

Posted by danni at 2008-04-22 03:31 PM

Like McCain saying he will have bases for 100 years in Iraq--spin spin cupcake..

Murphy

"That would be Obama's deal--since he now chickened out of a debate with HRC in NC."

Link?

"He did awful in the last debate and doesn't want a repeat."

Yeah, that Stephanopolous really belonged running a debate with Obama and the wife of his former employer. I saw the debate, the worst ever, ABC News did everything except accuse him of being a Muslim. I never did like ABC News but that was absolutely unbelievable.

And Murphy.....funding our troops is synonyomous to having bases in Iraq for 100 years????

That wasn't spin, that was what he wants.

Murphy,
Are ya drunk? Do you honestly think McCain can beat Obama in a debate, unless it's held on Faux News? Really? Are ya OK?
I mean, McCain will no doubt give either dem a battle in the general but in a debate, McCain is about half a click better than Bush.

"I'm...a...douche"

-Nullifidian, direct quote, corky-style

Obama is ok in a debate--but don't ask him hard questions. I will say he has gotten better over time--but debating is not his forte.

It will be great to see them in a debate together--won't it?

Did you see McCain talking with Georgie porgie on Sunday?

No milquetoast there.

San--I heard it and someonw else posted it above as well--don't have time to google--I am trying to work!

Murphy

Did you see McCain talking with Georgie porgie on Sunday?

No milquetoast there.

No, but the "yeah, seeking Hagee's endorsement was a mistake, but I'm proud to have it!" was a real winning point. McCain debated himself!

excuse me PP "...", not literal.

(I know that you are struggling as it is)

Well, I'm NOT "struggling". If you're giving McCain a victory, by 20 a point spread, I'll take some of that. I'm in for the Dem for $1000.00, but McCain has to win by 20 points or more. Ready to put your money where your mouth is?

excuse me PP "...", not literal.

"I heard it and someonw else posted it above as well--don't have time to google--I am trying to work!

Murphy"

Then its probably not a great idea to repost it as if it were a fact.

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The North Carolina Democratic Party announced Monday that it will cancel the proposed Democratic Presidential debate on April 27 "due to time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event."

While Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama earlier agreed to debate in North Carolina, the two candidates each agreed to separate dates.

"While there was great interest in the debate, there were also growing concerns about what another debate would do to party unity," the Democratic Party said in a press release.

San--I heard on CNN or MSLSD that Obama did not want to debate.

The excuse is phoney--like they don't have time within the next two weeks--Please!

It's a cover up--

;o)

Murphy

wow....that is...fucking stupid.

these debates are good for America, but I guess we can think the DNC and ABC for ruining the fun. But if the people want it- they will have to give it to us.

Let's just hope we can bury Clinton here tonight.

GO HILLARY!! GO!! YES!! ROAR!!

Shes doing a better job destroying the Democrats than Reagen did by far.

A couple more months of this, and we can bury the democratic party in the ground.

Kuma

"However, I am willing to extend the bet to you on exactly the terms I outlined before as I do not want to place additional strain on your family (I know that you are struggling as it is)"

You're full of shit, in more ways than one.

But I'll take your constant tap-dancing away from actually putting your money where your 20+ mouth is, as an admission it's all bluster and blather. Rant on; we now know it's all for nothing.

let's all sit back and soak in the pure joy of watching this low-life loser fall apart:


After Phillips thanked (Bill)Clinton for appearing on the show, Clinton replied: "Thank you. I hope everybody will go out to vote tomorrow. Buh-bye ... I don't think I can take any s*** from anybody on that, do you?"

Clinton lashed out at a reporter who asked him about the morning radio interview. He was unwilling to discuss it. He said, ""You always follow me around and play these little games. And I am not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day, go back and see what the question was and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it just to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today."

"The excuse is phoney--like they don't have time within the next two weeks--Please!"

Why would Obama agree to a debate after that ridiculous ABC thing? Why would he want to when he is leading in the nomination race? A debate would only serve Hillary a chance to bash him on irrelevant non-issues. The real issues have pretty much been exhausted in other debates previous to that ABC one.

Fresno C

Oh yeah, and what's your point?

It's not like he told a senator to go fuck himself is it?

That other drudge site has this headline up right now: EXIT POLL DRAMA 5 PM ET: CLINTON 52, OBAMA 48

Danni--

brrrrack bbbrraack brrraaaccck

That's Barack's new nickname---bbbbbrraaack!

Chicken.

He failed on answering the basic questions about his life mentor and his best friend.
And he gets a pass because why?

Because he is a phoney and the MSM is covering for him.

Murphy

"He failed on answering the basic questions about his life mentor and his best friend."

Murphy is good at telling fish stories. Apparently, Bill Ayers is now Obama's "best friend." A week ago he was an acquaintance. Your fish stories are smelling up the Retort, Murphy.

He failed on answering the basic questions about his life mentor and his best friend.

First exit polls show 92% of Blacks are voting for obama...

Clearly that is the surprise and shock of the election... who saw that coming?!?!

What a fucking joke...

"One would think that if Obama can't close the deal, yet again, after outspending her 3 to 1 in a must-win state for Dems, that the SDs will take a new look at who can best win in the Electoral College."

Onoe would think that if HIllary's lead has gone from 20 points to single digits over the past few weeks in a must-win state for the Dems, that the SDs will take a new look at who can best win in the Electoral College.

First exit polls show 92% of Blacks are voting for obama...

Clearly that is the surprise and shock of the election... who saw that coming?!?!

What a fucking joke...

POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE AT 2008-04-22 07:24 PM | REPLY

Imagine how many herbs and spices are on that lever!

According to an exit poll, 10% of voters made up their mind today. How is this possible? Who are these nitwits?

Imagine how many herbs and spices are on that lever!

Posted by 101Chairborne

Wow... thank you... that was a much needed laugh after a long day...

Nullifidian the Atheist :) -

One that one point you just made, we agree. If someone still hasn't made up their mind by now as to which candidate to choose in the PA primary, they're too stupid and uninformed to even enter the voting booth tonight.

One that... = On that...

Polls are closed now -- it's 8:00 p.m.

Who are these nitwits?

People who vote and the nitwits they elect. This election has the substance of a personality contest.

What--these yahoos don't know the results yet?

WTH!!

And folks who don't like the Ayers relationship with Obama--go send the invisible man an email and complain to him.

He has been friendly with Ayers since 1995 when Obama met him at Ayers house to kick off his senate race in ILL.

He is on the same board and Axelrod describes the relationship as friendly.

That is his campaign's word--

Get over yourselves. The Obama hangs out with an unrepentant domestic terrorist who says they didn't bomb enough in 2001 about his bombings in the 1960's.

Ayers makes me puke--but not Obama--he shakes the guys hand every time they meet and breaks bread with him.

Murphy

"He is on the same board and Axelrod describes the relationship as friendly."

You're the same idiot who described Ayers as Obama's "best friend." Nuff said for your credibility.

Ok "Best" was my word--now who is parsing words.

Axelrod says they are friendly.

What about the friendly relationship with a bomber of cops stations and the Pentagon?

What is your response to the real issue other than parsing out the word best friends?

Murphy

MSLSD just called the PA race for Hillary.

Where is the margin?

Murphy

Ok--10 points with 3% of the vote counted.

We'll see...


Murphy

"How the fuck is MSNBC saying Clinton won already?!?!"

They are calling it a projection.

She's going to win PA anyway.

How the fuck is MSNBC saying Clinton won already?!?!

I just heard that, with something like less than 1% of the votes in,
it was about 60% Clinton and 40% Obama.

I shall remain neutral here, but I have a feeling Obama's "bitter" remark is coming back to haunt him.

Just click over to MSLSD--they are all frothing over Obama--and he lost!

Murphy

How the fuck is MSNBC saying Clinton won already?!?!

www.msnbc.msn.com

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-22 09:02 PM | Reply

They read the fax from Diebold.

I shall remain neutral here, but I have a feeling Obama's "bitter" remark is coming back to haunt him.

Posted by CalifChris


Too many people focusing on Bitter... bitter wasn't the poor word choice... people are bitter. But they don't go to church, I'm sorry, cling to church because they are bitter. That makes it sound like if people weren't bitter they wouldn't waste their time worshipping some magical imaginary friend...

Terry is trying to say Hillary won the popular vote--while counting FL!

Fuzzy math--"long way to go" and HRC still in the race--

Love it!

Let's wait for Puerto Rico to vote at least--;o)


Murphy

I shall remain neutral here, but I have a feeling Obama's "bitter" remark is coming back to haunt him.

I don't see the media fawning over him like they did before Super Tuesday. I take that as an ominous warning sign for Obama.

I'm still on record that Hillary will get the nomination.

Olberman and Matthews are likely to kill themselves tonight! Awesome!

I am one of the "bitter" people and laughing all night!

Murphy

Terry is trying to say Hillary won the popular vote--while counting FL!

If I were Hillary I would be ready to make a very public move to get Florida's votes counted, and maybe even Michigan's. Especially if she wins in Indiana...

Obama can't really fight her, or else he is supressing votes...

Ray and Rob

Both of you are correct in your last comments.

Stories of voting machine irregularities are cropping up here and there.

People registered on the rolls as the incorrect party.

Voting machines breaking down.

Voters leaving long line ups and giving up or having to go to work indicate a lot of uncast votes.

Provisional ballots only being handed out ONLY if ALL the machines in a polling place are broken.

Some provisional ballots only name Hillary's name on it and not Barack's.

Wotta fuckshow.

Be Well.

Stories of voting machine irregularities are cropping up here and there.


Shut the fuck up... good god, I'm so sick of you pussy ass liberals crying that you got cheated everytime your guy loses... For Christ's sake, just shut the fuck up and learn to lose like a fucking adult...

Neither Obama nor Hillary were on spuds ballot.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa! Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

You've got to pity the sorry fuck canuck. Things must really be boring in America Jr.

What's the matter pud, is the night vision broken?

53%-47% Clinton.

Spud, go cry in your back bacon drippings, you Canuck Toad whiner. The seeds of doubt have been planted. Can this guy Obama win pivotal states? No. Obama has fallen another couple of notches, and Indiana is just around the corner. I am sending a check tomorrow for $50.00 to Hillary from an account I just closed to show my support. Ha! The Bammer outspent her 3-1, and still can't win. As Jesse J. would say: If the deal ain't closed, then brotha youse hosed.

The seeds of doubt have been planted.

She'll easily win Kentucky and West Virginia... Indiana and North Carolina will be close... Obama probably wins Oregon.

Not really a confident way to head into the convention...

Thankfully now I won't have to see 4 Obama commercials every at show break... money well spent Obammy!

Indiana and North Carolina will be close

North Carolina will go to Obama by a decent margin.

"Can this guy Obama win pivotal states?"

Are you trying to say that Obama will not win the states that Hillary won in the primary? You are delusional.

I am sending a check tomorrow for $50.00 to Hillary from an account I just closed to show my support

~Cookfish

The fact that rightwing assholes are continually bashing Obama shows the fear you idiots have of him.

Money fer the Republican Lite candidate from Crookie?

Mao actually voting fer Hill in Texas?

Rob the A-Hole talking nice 'bout Helldawg?

It can only mean one thing!

Barack Hussein Obama will be the next President of the United States of America.

Sweet!

Be Well.

I think she may close the gap after this win in PA... He'll probably still win, but with the stupid DNC primary system I don't think it will matter much one way or the other...

Indiana is the key state now...

Wot? Pud thot he'd get to see da chalklit chips in the white house!

Tis enamored wit the little ones.

Once ya get railed by a black in prison ya never firgit

Bee Monitored

Are you trying to say that Obama will not win the states that Hillary won in the primary? You are delusional.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt


Right now she's polling ahead of McCain in Florida, but McCain is handily beating Obama in the same polls... Same with Ohio.

Indiana and North Carolina will be close

North Carolina will go to Obama by a decent margin

Double digits.

15 points.

Indiana's a dead heat.

PA is the last "big" state in the race and Helldawg aint gonna pull the numbers out of it she needs to be able to make a legitimate case to stay in the race.

After tonight the pressure on her to drop out will be immense.

She won't listen, of course, until she is embarrassed by the supa delegates truning against ehr en masse.

Evn then she will shamble forward like some kinda zombie candidate.

On TDS last night Stewart asked Obama if he would be suprised if, on the night he gets gets sworn in as POTUS, Hillary was still out there campaigning against him.

Spud is LOL.

A stake through the heart, a silver bullet, a wreath of Garlic, a gallon of holy water, and Eric Cartman singing "The Morning After" backwards will be required to stop Hill's evil, endless, undead campaign.

Be Well.

Amazing. Who DIDN'T know hill was gonna win?

She was up 20 points like 2 weeks ago. Obama ate at that lead.

"Can this guy Obama win pivotal states? No."

Well, then as long as the Republicans don't run Hillary, I guess he's okay.

After tonight the pressure on her to drop out will be immense.

She's currently up 54%-46% with 25% in...

Just goes to show how fucked up the Democratic Primary is that when you win a state by a decent margin, you're told you should drop out.

"Just goes to show how fucked up the Democratic Primary is that when you win a state by a decent margin"

Or, alternately, that a large enough lead can't be overtaken by some meaningless late-season wins.

Oh, wait...you're near Philly. Sore spot....

Sure Hillary had a double digit lead two weeks ago. Its amazing what spending 3-1 can do. It was nice to see her win but none of this really matters she needed to win big and right now 10 points is nice but she needed a 20 + win to catch up in the delegate lead. This from a Clinton supporter

Or, alternately, that a large enough lead can't be overtaken by some meaningless late-season wins.

Oh, wait...you're near Philly. Sore spot....


Posted by Danforth


Got to give it to you there Danforth... that was really funny. Go Eagles!

"Go Eagles!"

Agreed.

It was nice to see her win but none of this really matters she needed to win big and right now 10 points is nice but she needed a 20 + win to catch up in the delegate lead.

Delegate lead isn't what she's going for anymore... odds are she won't catch him... she's going for popular vote to try to convince the Super Delegates that more Democrats want her... 10 point win in PA helps that...

The MSM egging HIllary on is completely self-serving $$$$$$.

If they could have NFL playoffs go on forever they would.

Dean needs to grow a pair.

Right now she's polling ahead of McCain in Florida, but McCain is handily beating Obama in the same polls... Same with Ohio.

Florida? The oldest state in the US?

Ohio, the home of rust belt beer dems aka low info voters?
Hill's remaining constituents?

The popular vote only helps if the delegate count is close. What really pissed me off is the Clinton support (or Obama support) that says that they wont vote for the other guy.

Dean needs to grow a pair.

~Tigerbalm

Damn straight!

On a thread the other day Spud noticed Dean was exhorting the Supa Delegates to quit sitting on the fence and make up their minds already.

Spud noted that Dean himself was a Supa Delegate who hadn't commited yet.

Practise wot you preach, Howie.

Lead by example.

Shit or get off the pot.

Be Well.

Attention Obama supporters:

You people need to wake up and smell the coffee, they are trying in from of our very eyes to steal the election away from Obama! The Clinton supporters have just admitted in national TV that they can't win the delegate race so they are switching the rules to say that popular vote is what matters now, including FL and MI. You need to be prepared to fight for your candidate. It is mathematically very difficult for the Clintons to win the delegate race and you need to demand that the rules be adhered to. You need to be prepared to descend into Denver in large numbers to ensure that the the Clintons and their machine do not steal the election from Obama.

The Clintons make the case that Obama is weak and can't beat McCain. But nothing could be further from the truth. Obama is attracting new voters and even Republican support. And I don't remember Rsuh Limbaugh or anyone telling PA Repubs to go vote for Obama so this is for real. Obama can beat McCain, but if Hillary is nominate McCain will win, make no mistake about it.

Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee neither one of these candidates will win the general without the others support

You need to be prepared to descend into Denver in large numbers to ensure that the the Clintons and their machine do not steal the election from Obama.

This shit just keeps getting better and better...

What better campaign commercial for McCain then Democrats rioting in the streets of Denver.

GO HILLARY!!

I wonder if Chris Matthews feels a "thrill going up his leg" right now.

The popular vote was never meant to be used. A few states didn't even track the numbers.

If they want use the popular vote, they will be using inaccurate numbers.

Easy now, easy.

Around 50% in and its a 10 point lead for hillary...

Outspending Hillary 3-1 in the state and only shaving 5-10 points off her lead has got to hurt.

Why is it that you clowns see some sinister plot or perceived slight around every corner?

Doom and Gloom. The sky is falling.

If it were only a handful of you freaks it would be understandable, but alas.

Congrats Flyer fans. All 3 of you.

PA demographics favored Hillary by a good amount. I don't think if Obama outspent her 6-1 would change the outcome that much.

Delegate lead isn't what she's going for anymore... odds are she won't catch him... she's going for popular vote to try to convince the Super Delegates that more Democrats want her... 10 point win in PA helps that...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-22 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

She aint gonna win popular vote either I'm afraid.

She probably won by 6-8 tonight. Nice victory, good job hillary. But it's too little too late. She can't overcome the delegate lead or the popular vote unless Obama shoots himself in the head. Literally.

And keep in mind she had a 20 point lead about 2 weeks ago, which means(to steal corkys 'logic') that the longer she runs in the primary election against McCain, the faster her numbers will drop.

PS- Where is corky? Probably ejaculating into a blowup hillary doll.

Congrats Flyer fans. All 3 of you.

Posted by 101Chairborne

They won? Cool I guess...

Either Hillary or Obama will be able to beat McCain if the party comes together.

Its obvious its not going to end tonight and Obama supporters need to think about the possibility that Obama might not get it for one reason or another. A Hillary nomination is not even fathomable for me. My suggestion is we think about splitting our vote in the fall for McBush for president and make sure we have enough senators and congressman to tie McBushs hands for the next four years.

PA is tailor-made for Hillary and it is a machine state with the governor and 100 mayors supporting her. Yet, she could not blow Obama out of the water, barely beating him by what, 8%? He was behind by a whole bunch and despite all the negative Clinton campaigning, she barely beat him in a state custom-made for her.

By the way, how many home states does Hillary have? Like 5 or 6 now?

LOL!

Congrats Flyer fans. All 3 of you.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Hillary says she's a big fan, being a hometown girl and all!

LOL!

IMHO Hillary never had a 20 point lead in PA. I think the polling has been flawed since they only do so by landline.

Even if she wins all the remaining states by tonights margin, (and that includes a florida/michigan revote) she can't win by delegates or popular vote. Her only chance is to somehow hope that Obama eats a political grenade and to then convince the super delegates to jump to her side.

This has been Obama's race to lose since Super Tuesday.

"Danforth, I fully believe that McCain will win by 20%+"
POSTED BY JACQUE_STRAP

"The 20 points is not on the table--take the bet or not..."
POSTED BY JACQUE_STRAP

Proven, by his own words, to be full of shit.

Hillary? Obama? are their platforms really that different.

so coming from that viewpoint...

what I find interesting is at the beginning of this process....Hillary had what, something like a 58% dissaproval rating, I forget what it was but people either really liked her or really hated her.

Obama comes into Penn. outspending someone who is so hard to like, and can still only eek out a close loss?

either way, in the General, it really can't be good news.

And just think--if the Obama facts of his mentor and friend were known in February--Obama would be a flick on the cheek right now.

He is --well everyone knows he will lose in November.

Hillary is talking now--doing quite well.

More blather from the left--more money for the everyone!

Tackle all the problems from the people who do not pay taxes!!!

It's great to be policital junkie right now.

Murphy

"Its obvious its not going to end tonight "

Mathematically speaking it is over.

Hillary is trying to make a political case to the SDs that they should overturn the pledge delegate results by claiming she is the stronger candidate. That is why Obama supporters need to be alert and not let the Clinton machine take away from their candididate what he has earned. The SDs need to be made to understand that if they buy the Clinton argument, that there will be huge damage done to the party and a possible repeat of 1968.

This has been Obama's race to lose since Super Tuesday.

Posted by Alexandrite

Typically when one is in such a situation the other contenders drop out... like what happened in the GOP primary.

Hillary can still take it... it will destroy the DNC if she does, but she can still take it...

well everyone knows he will lose in November.

LOL.

Some "political junkie"...Good god, I didn't even know you were a registered dem until you told us. All your talking pints mirror the neocons.

Sorry Lieberman didn't run as a dem president. It must've sucked not being able to vote for a DINO, Murphy.

Hillary is trying to make a political case to the SDs that they should overturn the pledge delegate results by claiming she is the stronger candidate. That is why Obama supporters need to be alert and not let the Clinton machine take away from their candididate what he has earned. The SDs need to be made to understand that if they buy the Clinton argument, that there will be huge damage done to the party and a possible repeat of 1968.

Posted by member2586

because obama won states he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell winning in november? good lord.. hillary won the big states that osama couldnt win..

She is so in the race!

And this is not going to be over--NOT until the Convention!

Operation Chaos! Love it, Love it, Love it. :o))))

Yes--Rush will stand with you until you lose and the Dems are dandruff on the shoulder!

Murphy

Mathematically speaking it is over.

Yup. Hillary has maybe a 1 in 10 chance of convincing the SD's to jump ship. And as rob said, it would destroy her party.

But she feels entitled to win, and legally speaking she IS entitled to run. So on it goes.

Mathematically speaking it is over.

----

Hillary doesn't go by math. She said that this morning on the Today show that it's not just about the math.

She's inevitable, don't cha know.

"operation chaos"

How could a registered Democrat WANT this to happen? Fuck, don't EVER join my team, murphy. With friends like these...

Yes--Rush will stand with you until you lose and the Dems are dandruff on the shoulder!

Sad.

CNN is reporting 54% to 46% with 70% of precincts reporting.

The interesting thing is the delegate count. Clinton 37, Obama 31. So far she has only netted 6 delegates.

Legio the bottom line is that dems decided that delegates would elect the nominne. Obama has won more delegates, whether the states are big or not, he has won more delegates. Just because those are not blue states doesn't mean they should change the rules midstrean to deny him the nomination.

On the Republican side, people still voted for Paul and Huckabee?

"Why can't I just eat my waffle? Just let me eat my waffle."

--Barack H.

Mathematically speaking it is over.

Yup. Hillary has maybe a 1 in 10 chance of convincing the SD's to jump ship

Well then technically it isn't over... If he wins Indiana, then yeah, its probably over, but if she wins there, WV, KY, makes NC close...

Then I think she can make a case to the supers...

Who knows what else will come out about Obama in the next few weeks/months too... there's a new issue about this guys past or some friendship every freaking week...

It ain't over, and it probably won't be for a while...

Rob- well the "I smoked Obama's pole while snorting coke off his crack" guy failed the polygraphs. But we'll see what freak steps up next.

Yeah Rob, I hear that Obama not only hates puppies, but kittens and babies too. Scandalous!

Well of course Hillary won, it's her home state after all. Candidates would be expected to win their home states by a landslide, wouldn't they?

LOL!

Typically when one is in such a situation the other contenders drop out... like what happened in the GOP primary.

Hillary can still take it... it will destroy the DNC if she does, but she can still take it...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-22 10:28 PM


Like when Huckabee didn't drop out until the magical number was obtained by McCain?

How could a registered Democrat WANT this to happen? Fuck, don't EVER join my team, murphy. With friends like these...

Yes--Rush will stand with you until you lose and the Dems are dandruff on the shoulder!

Sad.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-04-22 10:33 PM


JUST imitating Obama at a rally! LOL!!!!

I stopped voting Dem about 10 years ago--but the last Dem was Gore that I voted for. Oh I voted for Obama in the CA primary too. But that was before he was known as such a putz--his pastor and best friend Ayers!

Sorry to disappoint you Alex!

Operation Chaos!

Don't ya' just love it!!

Even Timmy is going for HRC.

Murphy

Rob- well the "I smoked Obama's pole while snorting coke off his crack" guy failed the polygraphs.

Yes he did... however... John McCain never fathered an illigitimate black baby.

If Clinton were smart she'd start push polling about Larry Sinclair...

Candidates would be expected to win their home states by a landslide, wouldn't they?

----

Unless you were the VP in the 2004 race.

Yeah Rob, I hear that Obama not only hates puppies, but kittens and babies too. Scandalous!

Posted by member2586 at 2008-04-22 10:41 PM


Obama hates puppies and kittens too?!

And just wait and see the more shoes drop for Obama--eat your waffle babe!

Murphy

Why can't I just eat my waffle? Just let me eat my waffle."

--Barack H.

Posted by cookfish at 2008-04-22 10:37 PM

I only heard today about Obama saying that to reporters bothering him at breakfast.
I can imagine, though, how the press would get on your nerves after awhile. I wouldn't have the patience to be nice all the time. Just look how I treat you guys hahaha.

Obama hates puppies and kittens too?!

And I guess they are bitter too!

No you can't!

There is not health care crisis..

Companies would not leave if you didn't promise to take away their profits.

Unemployment is 5% or some such--that is supposed to be regular.


And where do you get your money Obama? But of course your are supposed to be different. Where is your money coming from? Not entirely from the regular folks.

NOT!

And if you were in the Senate during the vote--Mr. Obama--YOU would have voted for the invading and taking oput that POS Saddam--just like the rest of America, the UN and the world..


Vapid character with no judgment and certainly no experience compared to McCain.

Murphy

I'm claiming bragging rights.
Did I call it earlier today or what...

I'm itching to make a bet --

I'll say Hillary wins by 8 percentage points.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-04-22 02:21 PM


And tonight's results were (((( drumroll )))

8 percentage points!

...In Pennsylvania, Clinton was winning 54 percent of the vote to 46 percent for Obama with 75 percent counted....

"And if you were in the Senate during the vote--Mr. Obama--YOU would have voted for the invading"

But that will always be untrue, just a hopeful conjecture, won't it?

86% reporting, Clinton by 10% but only a net of 3 delegates.

According to CNN.

Let's see. An unknown, now some what known, soon to be well known (much to his chagrin) halfrican. An overbearing, smells worse than a dead mackerel, door mat of a woman. And an ex-pow fighter Jockey that took an orphan into his own home, has never taken an earmark.

I wonder which one Americans will vote for?

Wow!

You just can't make this shit up!

One is a blatant lier that makes up sniper fire as her husband the once democratic god stumbles and bumbles as he falls from grace.

The other is an elitist that thinks the po folk are so dumb that they just get bitter and cling to their cold steely guns and the holy ghost while he sits in the pews with a racist preacher.

So who do they choose?

The lier! HA!

On to Denver!

has never taken an earmark.
Bacon

Nope. Just bribes.

John McCain was one of five United States Senators who accepted money from S&L swindler Charles Keating.

Come on Hillary... keep the Clusterfuck Express rolling...

I love the DNC Primary system...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

And it means less media attention for McCain.

"halfrican."

Keep it up, Kris. It's much easier identifying the idiots when they volunteer themselves.

"The lier! HA!"

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

For Christ's sake, just shut the fuck up and learn to lose like a fucking adult...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Ironically, you're a well-practiced adult.

Really strange to listen to the pundits explaining how or why Hillary is still running. Not being a pundit myself, I think she's just hanging in there hoping for a major screwup by Obama. (And its not impossible that he'll do exactly that.)

Good political theater.. go McCain.

Operation Caios wins another....

"Operation Caios"
POSTED BY BEACHBUZZ

Oh, great...just what we need. Another PWZ troll who can't spell.

Ironically, you're a well-practiced adult.

Posted by Apocalypto


You didn't see me here after the 2006 mid term elections crying that Republicans must have been cheated like Spud immediately came here to say the only way that his guy could have lost is because of voter fraud...

It just gets old that after every single democrat loss some liberal starts crying and can't except it, so it must have been stolen...

fuckface.

Whatever. She should drop out anyway if she knew what was good for America.

Whatever. She should drop out anyway if she knew what was good for America.

MSNBC is reporting 26% of the younger Obama voters say if he is not the nominee they won't vote in the general election.

So I guess Obama has locked up the partisapation trophy crybaby vote.

heh

The margin looks impressive: 55 v. 45% -- but Osama still gets 45% of the delegates. So all the horserace crap on CNN is still just crap.

I did not think Limbaugh would make a difference, but it did. The difference tonight on CNN is only 900,000 votes -- surely less than Limbaugh's listeners in PA

Whatever. She should drop out anyway if she knew what was good for America.

Posted by Scrumplet at 2008-04-23 12:25 AM | Reply

If Hillary! gave a flying fuck about America, she would stay in New York. This isn't about America. This is about the ego of Hillary!.

I did not think Limbaugh would make a difference, but it did. The difference tonight on CNN is only 900,000 votes -- surely less than Limbaugh's listeners in PA

Posted by vernon

Actually, the difference is 200,000 votes. The number of republicans and independents that switched parties is 65,000.

So it seems, many more of your fellow democrats are not on the Obama bandwagon as you would hope.

" if he is not the nominee they won't vote in the general election."

Just like the Limbaughs of the world claimed McCain would ruin the Republican party. Heh. Guess who Limbaugh's carrying water for this time?

It was a pretty uphill battle, and Obama did stumble, but how do you beat the efforts of the governor and mayors of the two largest cities, as well as the state party chairmen?

Clinton had the machine and Obama couldn't take it apart.

Of course now her campaign is asking for $5 donations. She's just that broke.

" if he is not the nominee they won't vote in the general election."

Just like the Limbaughs of the world claimed McCain would ruin the Republican party. Heh. Guess who Limbaugh's carrying water for this time?

Posted by Danforth

You don't get it, do you?

It does not matter what the "Limbaughs of the world" do.

The dems are doing it to themselves.

And you don't get it...do you?

Those Dems who claim they'll "never" vote for Hillary or Obama will have a change of heart when they realize the other option is Bush 44.

And you missed the entire point: Limbaugh railed against McCain, yet he now fawns. And you think the Democrats are above that!?! Bwahahahaha!

And you missed the entire point: Limbaugh railed against McCain, yet he now fawns. And you think the Democrats are above that!?! Bwahahahaha!

Posted by Danforth

Actually, no, I don't.

What was your point?

"What was your point? "

That if you want to see voters who'll "never" vote for a particular candidate, yet end up voting for them, look no further than the Rush Limbaughs and the Sean Hannitys of the world.

What didn't you understand?

Keep me in your mind....oh yea

heh,

Yeah, whatever. It is what it is.

You don't know who and how many the Limbaugh's or Hannity's of the world generated votes.

But hey! we all need excuses for falling on our face's. Good try.

"You don't know who and how many the Limbaugh's or Hannity's of the world generated votes"

How fuckin' dense are you? And who's talking about crossover votes from R to D? I'm talking about the hypocritical Republicans, who claimed they would "never" vote for McCain, who claimed he would destroy the Republican party, who are now current fawning over him. Specifically, Limbaugh and Hannity. Do you get that or not?

Hey dumbfuck, wait I mean DANFORTH. Show me 1 quote Sean Hannity said he would "never" vote for McBush? Show me one?

I call your bluff, you dumb fucktard, they never said that, you made it up, which is what libs do, because you can't use facts to argue so your emotion takes over.

Let me tell you what they really were saying, since I listen to them every day.

They were saying that Mcbush was not there favorite pick, and that they don;t like certain things about him, specifically his siding with democrats too often, etc.

They both stated, dozens of times that McBush is the no brainer pick over any democrat, and they would vote for them for sure.

You need to stop making up bullshit, like you know something, because you don't know anything, your too stupid.

Now go back to your knitting.

Kuma

"you don't know anything, your too stupid."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

I'm still waiting for Ann Coulter to show up at a Clinton rally.

Limbaugh railed against McCain, yet he now fawns. And you think the Democrats are above that!?! Bwahahahaha!

Posted by Danforth at 2008-04-23 01:16 AM | Reply

Limbaugh is now playing the "lesser of 3 evils" which is what most of us face in most elections.

He may have trashed McCain in the past. I don't know. But today I was in the car a lot and he mostly talked about how McCain was the least-awful choice.

You talk all high and righteous, Danforth. But on election day you are still just a whore for the Democrats. You will vote for whatever piece of shit they offer you.

Stick your face in the trough

BTW: before you knee-jerk a reaction to me, I don't like any of the choices.

"He may have trashed McCain in the past. I don't know."

No, you don't know, do you? He said McCain would "destroy" the Republican party. Of course, now he's---what did Limbaugh call it?---carrying water for McCain. I wonder what Rush's excuse will be this November?

"...on election day you are still just a whore for the Democrats. "

I've been a lifelong independent, and voted for more Rs than Ds in my life. But thanks, I'll take it as a compliment, coming from a whore for the Republicans, even after their horrendous government to date.

"BTW: before you knee-jerk a reaction to me..."

He says, immediately after knee-jerking....

"No, you don't know, do you?"

Nope. You seem to be a much more loyal listener to Rush Limbaugh than I have time for. Of course, as a Conservative, I'm working in the middle of the day. Not buying beer with my AFDC and listening to the radio (not to discount your 11-7 job at Circle-K)

"He said McCain would "destroy" the Republican party. Of course, now he's---what did Limbaugh call it?---carrying water for McCain."

I'll trust you as the expert listener

"I've been a lifelong independent, and voted for more Rs than Ds in my life."

Funny, but as a life-long independent, I've probably voted for more Democrats.

"I'll take it as a compliment, coming from a whore for the Republicans"

See above ....

Operation Caios

Followed by 'Operation: Go back to grade school'

PA is very white blue collar, ignorant and racist. I do not believe Obama has any chance of winning it in a presidential election. I think without this extended campaign he would fair better but with Billary on the attack Obama is making little mistakes that give people a reason not to vote for him. Average working class and elderly Whites are grasping for reasons not to vote for him. Billary knows this. They are just hoping that they can tarnish his aura and make him into a common every day Nigger rather than a transcendent figure as he has previously been known. The thing is they have little chance of doing this in time but it will only help McCain.

Everyone knows Hillary is a "cunt in a pantsuit" so she has nothing to lose in regards to image. But Obama represents something special. If she can remove that and turn him back into a "Nigger" in many people's eyes that is her chance. She is executing McCain's strategy without him ever having to look bad.

As sad as it is McCain will be the next President.

She is from PA and has family there, Obama never had a shot. For him to come within 6% of the vote would be a miracle.

Posted by taxman

That explaines it. My Ex is from there. Crazy as Hillary. At first it was fun then it went to hell. Kinda like this election.

I'm from Philly as well and know Monroe and Carbon counties very also. We call the state Pennsyltucky. In retrospect its a bit of an insult to Kentucky. PA is sort of like a graveyard for the descendents of immigrants who were too stupid to succeed in America. "Dutchies" the descendents of German immigrants from the 1700's are the most ignorant, stupid and racist people I have ever met in my life. They make up a large part of the central PA population. I am proud to say I am related to this population.

I expect Clinton to win by 4-6 points,

Posted by rcade

Try 10. Spin it, Obamamaniacs, however you want, but he cannot win the key states with the majority of the electoral votes. Barry has no chance in November. Sorry to be the one to throw cold water in your face.

"Barry has no chance in November. Sorry to be the one to throw cold water in your face."

Yeah but Hillary never did and in the process of losing the DNC primary she poison pilled Obama's chances as well.

What a Cunt.

Barry never had a chance with or without Hillary. You guys just don't get it. Those of us who are not blinded see this empty suit for what he is--nothing.

hillary does not have a chance, and frankly the DNC is quite stupid allowing this conflict to continue.

As I read Corky's posts it makes me wonder just how smart is the man. Corky's goal was to make sure the democratic party wins, now I am at the point where I question that. Corky is as thought backwards as the idiotic reporighties that continue to post WOBish garbage.

Clintonisking,

Are you another pant suit wearing, liberal, fat chick who is pat of the Hillary election campaign and along with Corky are assigned to DrudgeReport as cheerleaders?

The imporatant thing to realize here us that she only beat him by 10 points, not the 16 that she started out with. We're very happy with that kind of defeat. Why do we keep losing elections, anyway?

--Demobamites

looking like an 8 point win only now as there are inner city philly votes still to be counted. So net gain of only 10 delegates.

It will be great if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, but if Hillary wins I will happily vote for her! McBush must be stopped!

"Operation Caios"

Must be a dittohead.

Are you another pant suit wearing, liberal, fat chick who is pat of the Hillary election campaign and along with Corky are assigned to DrudgeReport as cheerleaders?

Posted by furio


when you have nothing to say in favor of your candidate, this is all you have!...

"when you have nothing to say in favor of your candidate, this is all you have!..."

I am Hillary Clinton and I approve this message

Once the Dems go into the convention neither candidate can really know what outcome will result. It is quite possible that neither will end up with the nomination and that a "unity" candidate like......Al Gore might get chosen. I'm starting to think that might not be a bad idea because of the animosity which has built up during this nomination process. Gore/Obama has a nice ring to it.

Any DNC ticket that does not include the word "Clinton" has a nice ring to it.

clintonisking, take that message back to your mistress

"It will be great if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, but if Hillary wins I will happily vote for her! McBush must be stopped!

Posted by john47"

Sadly John, Clinton supporters don't feel the same way. Exit polls last night showed that 1 in 4 Clinton supporters will defect and vote for McCain if she doesn't get the nomination.

So if you think her continuous negative attacks on Obama aren't taking their toll on the party, think again.

"Sadly John, Clinton supporters don't feel the same way. Exit polls last night showed that 1 in 4 Clinton supporters will defect and vote for McCain if she doesn't get the nomination."


As likely will 1 in 4 Obama voters.


I don't know why you guys have your panties in such a wad. You've got the only 3 candiadates left in the race, McCain just happens to be the more moderate one. I suppose that's what pisses of most of you ultra leftists, aka commies.

BTW, Hillary say's she'll blow away Iran and Obama say's, "Blow?"

Try 10. Spin it, Obamamaniacs, however you want, but he cannot win the key states with the majority of the electoral votes. Barry has no chance in November. Sorry to be the one to throw cold water in your face.

"As likely will 1 in 4 Obama voters."

No, actually that's the point. Twice as many Clinton supporters as Obama supporters said they would vote for McCain, according to last night's exit polls.

As much as I hate Hillary at this point I think she is far better than McBush. He is dumb, short tempered, old and has short man syndrome.

"Closing the delegate gap by only 14 isn't enough."

Looks like its probably going to be 9, possibly 10.

" Twice as many Clinton supporters as Obama supporters said they would vote for McCain, according to last night's exit polls."

That's because her supporters are mostly uneducated working class white and feminists who believe in entitlement. "Stand back Boy and let a Woman through!"

That's because her supporters are mostly uneducated working class white and feminists who believe in entitlement.
Posted by furio

And Obama has the Black vote. That pretty much covers the Democratic Party alright. Idiot.

That's because her supporters are mostly uneducated working class white and feminists who believe in entitlement. "Stand back Boy and let a Woman through!"


Classic!


As a Republican, I am absolutely loving this Democratic in-fighting.

As a Republican, I am absolutely loving this Democratic in-fighting.

Posted by JeffJ

Howard Dean must be pulling his hair out.

Dems are uniters.....lmao

As a Republican, I am absolutely loving this Democratic in-fighting.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-04-23 08:32 AM | Reply

I'm enjoying the fact that no matter what happens...you're going to force yourself to vote for McSenile. You know, the pol so hawkish and dumb that he's been corrected in public TWICE by superhawk dipshit joe leiberman.

ON THE SUBJECT HE'S BUILDING HIS CANDIDACY ON!

PS- I too am enjoying the Hillary/Obama thing. The longer hillary flounders with no real chance of winning while running like a negative republican-lite, the happier I am. And Bill costing her points when he opens his yap? Priceless.

And Bill costing her points when he opens his yap? Priceless.


Yep.


It's amazing that beloved Bill could actually be a negative for her campaign.

I am beginning to understand why Gore didn't want Bill campaigning for him.

"As likely will 1 in 4 Obama voters."

No, actually that's the point. Twice as many Clinton supporters as Obama supporters said they would vote for McCain, according to last night's exit polls.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


That's only half the calculus you're aiming at here.
You have to add those numbers to the numbers of supporters who will choose not to vote in november.

Howard Dean must be pulling his hair out....

...and screaming too.

Come June when the last primary or caucus is finally done Clinton will STILL be significantly behind in popular vote, states won, pledged delegates and almost certainly in the national opinion polls. The reason there is a primary season is so that a candidate can be chosen on the basis of those things. Obama has won on that basis and Clinton has lost. What part of that does she and her supporters not understand?

So that leaves two ways she could become the nominee. She wins it dirty or something totally unexpected happens with Obama. If she wins it dirty there is, in my opinion, no way she will win in November. I certainly won't vote for her if she wins it dirty. If I'm wrong about that and she does win, her presidency will be as badly damaged as that of that useless loser in the White House now who also won in similarly contentious circumstances. If something totally unexpected happens with Obama then she gets the nomination anyway and wins easily in November with only the insane right wing bitching about it and they, in Cheney's immortal words, can go fuck themselves.

So, once again, why is she still in this race except to fulfill the wet dreams of that fat windbag Limbaugh and vicious, looney tunes right wingers such as Scaife and Norquist?

It's amazing that beloved Bill could actually be a negative for her campaign.

Not at all. Some us recall what an asshole he was. If you've ever seen me defend Bill, it's because the attacks against him I was refuting were ludicrous.

Not because I like the guy much.

Every time Bill goes negative, the country remembers the things they disliked about the 90's. He lies, spins, and attacks his own out of a sense of entitlement. For example: What kind of ex-POTUS goes on the warpath with the leading presidential candidate from their own party?

Has that even happened...um...in the last 100 years?

But the Clintons act this way for a simple reason. They believe the democratic party is THEIRS to make or break, and that it is THEIR turn to win again.

Notice Obama is "Yes we can, and Hillary is always "Yes I can.

And that low life Obama left PA. last night without thanking his supporters. -Corky

Many morons in Pennsylvania

"You have to add those numbers to the numbers of supporters who will choose not to vote in november."

That's true. I can't recall the numbers on that from the exit polls. Seems like it was around 10-12% that said they'd stay home if Obama got the nomination.

Also overall, 66% of voters thought Clinton had gone too negative.

At least we know Pennsylvania is IMPORTANT now, since hillary won it.

But will Indiana be important too?

How the media didn't run with Hillary disregarding entire states she lost as elitism in it's highest form, I will never understand.

Hey, last 11 states Obama won: You don't count! You're not important in the BIG election against McCain! Just don't call those useless mid staters "bitter" or the MSM will be forced to cover that for 2 weeks straight.

"Many morons in Pennsylvania"

... who you'll hope vote for your candidate come nov.? hope they have short memories about the "morons" thing.

It is amazing to me that there are still some who are so fucking partisan that even with the obvious dangers to the economy under the Republicans which will end up effecting Republicans as well as Democrats some are still more concerned about electing a member of their own party rather than changing the direction of the country. Are you blind???? Do y'all think the losses you are now feeling on your homes was unpredicted?? Do you think the price of gas is an accident or that our government isn't responsible for inflating our currency???
simply put, McBush is another four years of the same failed policies and whether y'all admit it or not this country cannot afford another four years. We will be in a depression before those four years pass.

Some us recall what an asshole he was.

Some is the operative word - not all.

You've been around this blog long enough to know full well that the other group of some would ferociously defend all of Bill's transgressions UNTIL doing so coincided with their love for a new candidate.

"Many morons in Pennsylvania"

Why?? Because they didn't vote for YOUR guy? Maybe YOU are the moron?

Peronally, I think they feel like I do about the whole election thing. On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with big tits who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there a contest here?

What kind of ex-POTUS goes on the warpath with the leading presidential candidate from their own party?

Has that even happened...um...in the last 100 years?

But the Clintons act this way for a simple reason. They believe the democratic party is THEIRS to make or break, and that it is THEIR turn to win again.

Notice Obama is "Yes we can, and Hillary is always "Yes I can.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-04-23 08:47 AM


Pay attention now.


What kind of ex-POTUS goes on the warpath with the president of their own country.

Has that even happened...um...in the last 100 years?

But Carter acts this way for a simple reason. He believes America is his and his to make or break, and that it is HIS turn again.

Jeff- People flip flop a lot in politics, then wonder why their elected leaders are rudderless cunts. Now that mccain has been the nominee for a little while, the right is falling in love with him after cursing his name for years.
For example:

On the other side, you have a true war hero

Who is now a war hero again cuz he aint running against bush. Need I even repeat some of the shit the loudest on the right have said about mccains service to his country when he had the temerity to run against the great and mighty W?

Not that you said that stuff, justgetting- but McCain is not mr popular around here, or at least he wasn't until a few weeks ago.

And for his marriage: He's an adulterer, he married up, and his wife plagiarized her cookbook...that trollop! : )

That's true. I can't recall the numbers on that from the exit polls. Seems like it was around 10-12% that said they'd stay home if Obama got the nomination.

Also overall, 66% of voters thought Clinton had gone too negative.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-04-23 08:53 AM | Reply


Exit Polls are confusing to the point of absurdity.

Did you guys happen to catch Hill's "Untrustworthy" numbers in the exit Polls yet she won by close to 10 points?


I don't believe the Dems in regards to not voting in November. It's the same with the Republicans that claim they'll sit out because McCain isn't a Conservative Republican or that he's too liberal.

Those people are either liars or they weren't going to vote in the first place (the ones that answered the exit polls would obviously be the liars).

"What kind of ex-POTUS goes on the warpath with the president of their own country."

One that recognizes the disaster headed our way under the leadership of this incompetent crook we call Bush. How much is your house worth today????
Less than yesterday, right????
Can't wait til tomorrow.

Kris P- Nice deflection. Pay attention now:

It's one thing to disagree with a standing president for another party. It's quite another to blast the front runner from your own.

Carter spoke out because he felt obligated to do so morally. Bill is just pissed that some grass roots guy is beating his wife and keeping him out of the Lincoln bedroom. Plus Bill is eating his own party.

PS- Carter was a bad president, but is a good honest person and has helped more people than you ever will.

Indiana and North Carolina will be close

North Carolina will go to Obama by a decent margin.

Posted by ness_gadol

you are looking at it from the fishbowl of chapel hill..charlotte aint so rosey

And did carter question Bush's patriotism?

Mathematically speaking it is over.

Yup. Hillary has maybe a 1 in 10 chance of convincing the SD's to jump ship. And as rob said, it would destroy her party.

But she feels entitled to win, and legally speaking she IS entitled to run. So on it goes.

Posted by Alexandrite

If she loses at the convention she should run as an independant and pick up lieberman as a running mate..

That would throw a wrench in the machinery and give the DNC a well deserved middle finger.

"Also overall, 66% of voters thought Clinton had gone too negative."

That always bugs me about campaign strategy complaints, the "too negative" thing.

Why is it negative to say something if its true?

I haven't seen many Clinton or Obama ads, but negative doesn't bother me if its factual or raises a relevent issue.

I don't believe the Dems in regards to not voting in November. It's the same with the Republicans that claim they'll sit out because McCain isn't a Conservative Republican or that he's too liberal.

Those people are either liars or they weren't going to vote in the first place (the ones that answered the exit polls would obviously be the liars).

Posted by 101Chairborne


With you on that one, 101.

People who say that remind me of a third grader who says he's gonna hold his breath til he gets his way.

"I don't believe the Dems in regards to not voting in November."

Hopefully you're right. I'm afraid of a 70's redux where huge numbers of otherwise intelligent and educated people dropped out of political participation entirely when their candidate didn't win.

Disillusionment is an unpredictable thing.

"That always bugs me about campaign strategy complaints, the "too negative" thing.

Why is it negative to say something if its true?"

I think it boils down to many, if not most, people believing that saying why they should vote FOR you instead of why they should vote AGAINST the other guy is a better way to go.

"Indiana and North Carolina will be close"

He's up by almost 16 in the RCP average in NC right now. Down by 2, but within the margin of error in Indiana.

Jeff- People flip flop a lot in politics


I know.


I am sure you know this but I wasn't trying to suggest that Democrat supporters have a monopoly on hypocrisy.

"I think it boils down to many, if not most, people believing that saying why they should vote FOR you instead of why they should vote AGAINST the other guy is a better way to go."

That's kinda doing half the work, isn't it?

When I consider a course of action, I weigh both pro's and con's, don't you?

-PS- Where is corky? Probably ejaculating into a blowup hillary doll.

Posted by Alexandrite


It's nice to see Alex reach his intellectual peak right before our very eyes. But he forgets, he traded me his Hillary doll when he got his new Obama blowup doll with the conveniently large ear handles and Alex's custom-sized "Teensie" Model orifices.

Oklahoma Governor and Super Delegate Brad Henry endorsed Obama this morning, further shrinking Clinton's lead in SD's to 23.

"Did anyone get the number of that truck?"

- B H Obama

"And Obama has the Black vote. That pretty much covers the Democratic Party alright. Idiot."

Hey PissBoy, you forgot the college educated and the middle class and above.

"Did anyone get the number of that truck?"

- B H Obama

Hey PissBoy, you forgot the college educated and the middle class and above.

Posted by furio

It seems to me you forgot them in your original post, furryhole.

Obama saw a win coming a week ago. It was down to about 4 points, in some polls he was leading.

But the truck he saw coming was himself; screeching tires, whining gears, and a complete brokedown burning crash at the debate.

Primed, of course, by his other self-inflicted wound of calling the blue-collar Dem base that gave him such a spanking last night gun-toting, Bible-thumping, xenophobic bigots.

Apparently a very impolitic thing to do.

Obama can't close the deal. Not even in a close race where he outspends his opponent 3 to 1.

He has lost all the big states but his own, and shows little sign of being the force in the Electoral College that HRC is.

"gun-toting, Bible-thumping, xenophobic bigots."

Thank God we're not into hyperbole here.

"(Obama) shows little sign of being the force in the Electoral College that HRC is."

Well then, as long as the Republicans don't run Hillary, he ought to be alright.

"It seems to me you forgot them in your original post, furryhole."

PissBoy, that's because I was referring to Hillary's main supporters and not Obama's. What's a matter you get all light headed because it's springtime in Wisconsin and the temp is above 0 for the first time in 6 months?

What's a matter you get all light headed because it's springtime in Wisconsin and the temp is above 0 for the first time in 6 months?

Posted by furio

No, just a little light headed trying to follow your rambling bullshit. But then it's understandable considering where your from.

Corky you are delusional.

He leads her in delegates.
He leads her in popular vote.
He leads her in states won.
Factor in the caucuses and he still leads her in delegates and popular vote.
Factor in Florida and he still leads her in delegates, popular vote, and states won.

Yes I left out Michigan, no it's not spin, his name wasn't even on the ballot so of course it gets left out.
Up until only the past few weeks nearly ever poll showed Obama beating McCain't by at least 3% sometimes as high as 10%. Those same polls all showed McCain't beating Hilary by roughly the same percentages Obama would beat him. Obama has made some mistakes the past few weeks and Hilary has run an increasingly negative campaign so those numbers have closed. But to think those numbers won't go back up once Hilary is out of the picture is just foolish.

But to think that winning PA by less than 10% and only 14 delegates is a thumping win is absurd. Especially when only weeks ago she was up 25%.

You mentioned how he outspent her 3-1, seems to be a popular talking point amongst her supporters. Out spending her by that amount and closing her lead of 25% to less than 10% was money well spent. Losing by 14 delegates...still money well spent.

Sorry Corky but nothing you have to say has any weight behind it. Hilary is right back where she was on Monday and right where she'll be for the rest of her life...second place.

"No, just a little light headed trying to follow your rambling bullshit."

PissBoy you flatter me too much. What do you think I'm Ibsen, Bukowski, Shakespeare or some shit like that to put so much effort into reading my posts?

It was down to about 4 points, in some polls he was leading.

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Until today, you dismissed those polls and only posted ones that showed Hillary with big leads.

-He leads her in delegates.

He hasn't enough to win.

-He leads her in popular vote.

Not for long.

-He leads her in states won.

Irrelevant. He lost all the big EC states except his own.

-his name wasn't even on the ballot so of course it gets left out.

He voluntarily took his own name off the ballot in an attempt to make Undecideds beat her there, no one forced him.

The fact is that today, if one counts all the voters who voted in state certified DNC elections, more voters chose HRC than BHO.

Obama had every chance to close the deal yesterday, a close race going into the final week, 3 times as much money to spend..... but he cannot close the deal, he cannot get the votes of the blue-collar Dem base, the youth vote was a mediocre 12 percent, and HRC nearly tied him in college educated voters.

What her 10 point thumping of Obama all over PA does is make the SDs wait to see her win Indiana and KY and WV.

After June third, these candidates will be very close in popular vote with a couple of 100 thousand out of 30 million votes separating them, and neither will have the Magic Number of delegates, so SDs will look then at who is the most electable, the most able to take PA and FL and Ohio, where the last few elections have been decided.

At which point he will likely still come in second.

Anybody who wins while Florida and Michigan remain disenfranchised may have the right to be happy about that win, but no right to be proud.

"Obama has made some mistakes the past few weeks and Hilary has run an increasingly negative campaign so those numbers have closed. But to think those numbers won't go back up once Hilary is out of the picture is just foolish."
--DFIANT

Because, you know, once Hillary is out of the picture, Obama will quit making mistakes and no one will be left to attack him...

"Anybody who wins while Florida and Michigan remain disenfranchised ..... " isn't going to win in FL or MI in the fall, or win the Presidency.

Particularly if they can't win Ohio or PA either, PA being where John McCain will take up residence for the next 6 mos.

Why do I feel like the supporters of one democratic candidate are trying to hold the party hostage?

They are.

According the PA exit polls, 43% of Clinton votes said they would either not vote or vote for McCain if Clinton wasn't the nominee.

It's almost the "play by my rules or I'll take my ball and go home" mentality.

Maybe because, as Michelle threatened, we only get this once in a lifetime chance to elect her husband. We better take it now!


I thought his speech last night was like his debate performance, defensive and full of error.

If he keeps saying that he doesn't take special interest money (Lobbyists and PACs! shmock, shmock!) and the voters find out he takes as much as anyone, just bundled from lobbyist's wives and lawyers, he may be further embarrassed.

"Because, you know, once Hillary is out of the picture, Obama will quit making mistakes and no one will be left to attack him..."

Just to get a 'balanced' view of the primary, I turned on Fox News last night. They had a fat southerner talking about the negative attacks. They reached consensus that the attacks were pretty mind thus far - the guy said 'give me and Karl Rove some money and a weekend' - which I believe is absolutely true. Hill is playing it smart, stay in the election and she has a 50% chance of the nomination regardless. That % keeps going up as the Rezko trial continues and Obama is proven to have lied repeatedly. The current delegate count is pretty meaningless right now as all the pledged delegates will abondon either candidate once something really damaging comes out. Obama has a 10x greater likelihood of having that 'shocking news' come out that Hill.

"According the PA exit polls, 43% of Clinton votes said they would either not vote or vote for McCain if Clinton wasn't the nominee."

And Limbaugh said McCain would "destroy" the Republican party, and is now fawning over him. Lots of people say that in exit polls, but when harsh reality of either Obama or Bush 44 hits them, they might have, like Limbaugh, a change of heart.

Wait...did I just intimate Limbaugh has a heart?

"Obama has a 10x greater likelihood..."

Look out, Jacque is barfing up meaningless odds again.

Why'd you run away after I agreed to take your 20+ point bet?

-I turned on Fox News last night

I have had to include them in my channel clicking since the Obamasoft Network with Obama Shill Extraordinaires "Tingles" Matthews and Keith Dobermann are so pathetically in the thrall of the Obamaide that I expected them to have seizures when HRC got up by 10 points last night.

"Why'd you run away after I agreed to take your 20+ point bet?"

Much like your lying messiah, you are saying that I made a 20+ bet with you - which never happened. Once again, please link to where I extended that bet to you or shut the hell up. I did offer you a bet which involved me giving you money with you putting nothing on the line (I know you and your family are struggling). Do you want to take that bet or not? Obviously, you are having second thoughts about your lying messiah actually winning the election - and rightfully so....

"(I know you and your family are struggling)"

Bwahahaha! My investments made more last year than you did.

"Danforth, I fully believe that McCain will win by 20%+"
POSTED BY JACQUE_STRAP

"The 20 points is not on the table--take the bet or not..."
POSTED BY JACQUE_STRAP

Proven, by his own words, to be full of shit.

Are you willing to back your 20+ point claim, or are you now willing to admit it was all blather?

"I did offer you a bet"

Yeah...ONE vote, after a brag of a 20+ point victory.

I repeat: you're full of shit.

Corky you're really sounding like a broken record. She can't come close to catching him in delegates. She will not get much closer if at all in popular vote. Saying that winning more states is irrelevant is just dumb.

Ohio is the only "swing" state that will probably be a challenge. PA is a very blue state, hell we even picked John Kerry's lame ass. What you're failing to acknowledge is that Obama opens up the chance to win southern states that normally aren't available to Dems. You're also failing to acknowledge that Obama continues to gain new supporters both from republican converts and new voters, as well as slaughtering all competition in fund raising.

So in November I expect that you'll be supporting Barack Obama. If by some act of Satan, Hilary somehow manages to convince the Supers to over throw the rule of the people I will support her. Anything but McCain't.

Because, you know, once Hillary is out of the picture, Obama will quit making mistakes and no one will be left to attack him...

Why do I feel like the supporters of one democratic candidate are trying to hold the party hostage?

"It's almost the "play by my rules or I'll take my ball and go home" mentality."


If I judged by what I've read here, there are far more Obama supporters who will not support Clinton.

You can even see the name momentarily cripples their hands as they try to type it out.

I haven't heard any Clinton supporters here say they wouldn't vote for Obama.

Obama supporters seem to hate clinton almost as much as they do bush.

"If I judged by what I've read here, there are far more Obama supporters who will not support Clinton."

Exit Polls: 43% of Clinton voters in PA said they would either vote McCain or sit out the election.

"Exit Polls: 43% of Clinton voters in PA said they would either vote McCain or sit out the election."

Translation, 43% of Clinton supporters are racists.

"Translation, 43% of Clinton supporters are racists."
Posted by danni

Calling them racists isn't going to get them to rethink their decision now, is it, danni?

I love how you can't even entertain the possibility that there could be a principled, reasoned justification for not voting for Obama.

"Translation, 43% of Clinton supporters are racists."
--DANNI

Translation, one butch plays the race card too often.

But when 90 percent of blacks vote for Obama, there is no racism involved, eh?

Most people are voting for a candidate in this race, not against one.

So with that logic--

The percentage of Obamamites who won't vote for Clinton are sexists--right?

HRC had a great night--10% is huge--how it translates down the road here will have to be seen.

Murphy

And what racism there is in the vote in places like PA and Ohio will only be worse in a general election than in a Dem primary.

The point being to select a candidate who can win, not one who should win if America were completely colorblind.

"I love how you can't even entertain the possibility that there could be a principled, reasoned justification for not voting for Obama.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine"

Of course there could. But 43%????? Come on Hagbard. That is a ridiculously high number.