Looks like the Republicans aren't the only ones to use the fear card.

Response to the ad from the Obama campaign:

"When Senator Clinton voted with President Bush to authorize the war in Iraq, she made a tragically bad decision that diverted our military from the terrorists who attacked us, and allowed Osama bin Laden to escape and regenerate his terrorist network. It's ironic that she would borrow the President's tactics in her own campaign and invoke bin Laden to score political points. We already have a President who plays the politics of fear, and we don't need another."

Hear hear!

"It's ironic that she would borrow the President's tactics in her own campaign"

Ironic, albeit predictable.

What is wrong with the vid.?

"she made a tragically bad decision that diverted our military from the terrorists who attacked us..

BS...GW did it ALL ON HIS OWN,
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"and allowed Osama bin Laden to escape and regenerate his terrorist network."

More BS...GW did it ALL ON HIS OWN the decision had nothing to do with Iraq. GB had the troops on the ground in position to take OBL and PASSED.
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What is wrong with the vid.?

-What is wrong with the vid.?


It doesn't bow 5 times daily to the East, or wherever Obama is located at the time.

Don't you know that when Obama is President, the lions will lie down with the lambs, the GOP with the Dems, and Obama with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

"...would borrow the President's tactics in her own campaign and invoke bin Laden to score political points."
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So every time BO mentioned OBL on the campaign trail, BO " would borrow the President's tactics in his own campaign and invoke bin Laden to score political points."

Scoring political points strange way to run a campaign.

What is wrong with the vid?

What is wrong, in my opinion, is that the Dems complain about the Republicans using fear tactics to get votes. This vid is using fear tactics to get votes.

Pirate...How would you represent OBL in print or vid if he is a fear tactic?

To be clear, where I stand on the vids. usage in any campaigns. It makes no difference whether HC, BO, JMc, GB etc...used this vid. It's a fair ad.

The reference to OBL in conjunction with the other images just happen to be the realities of the current world conditions that a new POTUS will have to face.

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"...of Osama bin Laden, the Pearl Harbor attacks, gas lines of the 1970s, Hurricane Katrina victims and troops preparing for battle.

"You need to be ready for anything," the narrator warns, "especially now, with two wars, oil prices skyrocketing and an economy in crisis."
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The vid contrast a POTUS who suffered an (Pearl Harbor) attack and was successful, with a POTUS who suffered an attack (WTB) and OBL still still has his freedom and his network is alive and well...that is what we should be afraid of.

Not a vid, picture or printed name of OBL in an ad that does not morph into the opponents features, now that's catering to fear and its use indefensible.

"BS...GW did it ALL ON HIS OWN,"

No, unfortunately there is plenty of blame to go around. Yes, Bush built a case for his war authorization based on mostly BS because he had his agenda.

Unfortunately, the lily-livered Congress gave him almost carte blanc because many, if not most of them did not do their due diligence and didn't want the mean old President to call them unpatriotic.

If she weren't such a wuss, she'd put up some really descriptive ads that could scare anyone, such as Obama's mentors, Wright and Farrakhan, informing their respective flocks with the hate-whitey, hate-America declarations.

But she'd need the black vote someday, and she classifies all blacks as in Obama's corner, but she would need them to shift over to her come the general election. Catch 22.

GB ALONE forced the removal of the weapons inspectors...
GB ALONE did not go back to the UN...
GB ALONE did not accept SH's weapons declaration...
GB ALONE de-emphasized the Afghanistan war to invade Iraq...
GB ALONE let OBL go...
GB ALONE approve the invasion of Iraq
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"Unfortunately, the lily-livered Congress gave him almost carte blanc because many, if not most of them did not do their due diligence and didn't want the mean old President to call them unpatriotic."

SAR.... agreed, from another thread but fits here..."the lily-livered" (are)"...the member of congress that have continued to vote for unrestrained war funding have BLOOD on their hands including HC, BO, and JMc one our next POTUS."

Everyone in Congress who votes/voted to continue the budgeting of the war are far more to blame than those who voted for the Authorization. At least there were some CHECKS in the authorization, which GB chose to ignore. Thanks N (impeachment off the table) P.

Pearl Harbor? Hillary wasn't even born then.

When you use tragic past events as a way to say you are the better choice, you are using fear as the motivator.

Forget Pearl Harbor.

I'm surprised she didn't have the Barbary Pirates in that ad or the Redcoats torching the White House.

People are still saying Bush went in alone with no authority?

What planet are they from?

Almost every Democrat voted to go to war. They can parse words all day. Reality is reality.

They should just be honest and admit they didn't read the details of the bill. Instead they lie, and lie and lie some more.

Unbelievable. I guess they wanted 125 UN resolutions, then its ok.

Kuma

Boo!!

She is NO better than Her brother in law Dubya. Two peas in a pod.

Larry Mohr

She is NO better than Her brother in law Dubya.


I really get a chuckle out of this little metaphor you've created.

Looks like the Republicans aren't the only ones to use the fear card.

Posted by Pirate


What do you mean? Hillary IS Republican Lite.

It's the bloody truth JeffJ. GHWB has practically adopted Bill Clinton has His own son. so what does that make Hellary??

Larry Mohr

Fuck Hellary IS a Republican. I am been saying it til I was purple in the face. She is NO Liberal Democrat that IS for certain.

Larry Mohr

When you use tragic past events as a way to say you are the better choice, you are using fear as the motivator.


You mean like when I received a "donation request package" in 04 from W stating that for the small "donation" of $1500 to his re-election campaign I would recieve exclusive "historic" pictures of him in inaction on 9/11? Pictures of him looking out the window of AF One as the nation is attacked?

GHWB has practically adopted Bill Clinton has His own son.


The presidential fraternity is always an extremely small group (presidents and former presidents who are among the living).

A certain bond exists even among presidents from the opposition party. Being POTUS involves certain life-experiences that only another POTUS can empathize with.

A couple of years after a pres. has left office, a painted portait of the former first couple is displayed in the WH for the first time - it's a ceremonial event whereby the current occupant of the WH has the former occupant in for dinner and christens the new painting. When W did this for Clinton, he apparently had such a long-string of jokes and praises that Bubba was beet-red and literally in tears due to laughing excessively. It was a classy move on W's part that I hope is a tradition that is long-continued.


PS - After J. Carter hijacked Clinton's foreign policy with his "nuclear negotation" with L'il Kim, I think Bubba likes his new dad and bro-in-law better than his Democratic party bretheren - Jimmah.

My guess is, she got a campaign donation from him, much like she got from the AMA. This is the payback...he needs a little press. Cave isn't too good for exposure.

So what is Obama's solution? How will he catch Bin Laden?

People are still saying Bush went in alone with no authority?
What planet are they from?
Almost every Democrat voted to go to war. They can parse words all day. Reality is reality.
They should just be honest and admit they didn't read the details of the bill. Instead they lie, and lie and lie some more.
Unbelievable. I guess they wanted 125 UN resolutions, then its ok.
Kuma
Posted by Kuma at 2008-04-21 09:48 PM
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"I guess they wanted 125 UN resolutions, then its ok."

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

KUMA...GW ALONE chose to ignore ALL of SEC. 2.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

KUMA... what threat against " national security of the United States" =invasion?

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

KUMA...which ones were not enforced=invasion?

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or

KUMA...GW ALONE halted ALL" further diplomatic or other peaceful means"

(B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

KUMA...What " relevant" resoultion did Iraq ignore that posed a "THREAT to the US=invasion

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

KUMA...GB ALONE chose to abandon the war on " those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." so he could invade Iraq.

Congress with STIPULATIONS authorized GW (ALSO KNOW AS A "LAW") how to deal with Iraq...

GB ALONE CHOSE TO BREAK THE LAW AND INVADE IRAQ.

GB ALONE CHOSE to " Instead to lie,and lie and lie some more". To justify invading Iraq

SO..." Reality is reality"

"Almost every Democrat voted to go to war. They can parse words all day. Reality is reality.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-04-21 09:48 PM"

That is false Kuma. 21 of 50 Democratic Senators voted against the authorization. That is 42%

126 of 202 Democratic members of the House voted against the authorization. That is 62%.

Sorry - meant to add that that equals 58% of Democrats in Congress voting against the authorization.

It was not a vote to go to war...there are restraints (safeguards?) in the Authorization...it was more a vote of last resort to push SH into compliance and if the law was followed to the "T" there would have been NO INVASION.

MMike,

What, sorta like having it both ways? See, that's not the same as opposing a position.

Billary said, "Going into Iraq was the right thing to do.".....Hmmmm....doesn't seem she had any trouble with the invasion.....

I know, I'm just being mean...After all, she's a fighter!

"Going into Iraq was the right thing to do."
Link... I never read that

I don't have a link, but I did see it on tv. I've also seen it played on Fox a few times, but I don't have a link. It was after the invasion started and before things started going bad. She was trying to posture herself as one of the few "sensible" candidates, because Obomba and the other front-runners were against the war.

I know this doesn't constitute proof, but nevertheless it is true.