Not that I care much for Michael Moore, but it is interesting to note that even he finds the Clinton tactics disturbing.

2) I (and most people I know) don't give a rat's ass whose name is on the ballot in November, as long as there's a picture of JFK and FDR riding a donkey at the top of the ballot, and the word "Democratic" next to the candidate's name.

That about covers it.

Actually,

How sad for a country that wanted to see the first woman elected to the White House. That day will come -- but it won't be you. We'll have to wait for the current Democratic governor of Kansas to run in 2016 (you read it here first!).


That about covers it.

I would have thought him to be a McCain supporter.

FF for Joe.

We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man. Hillary knows it, too. She's counting on it.

It's a shame that both sentences here are correct. It is up to you to decide which is more shameful.

The more anger you hear about the last debate, the more even Obama supporters have to concede... he really fucking sucked that night.

It's a shame that both sentences here are correct. It is up to you to decide which is more shameful.

Posted by taxman


Back before everything ramped up I thought he would be lucky because of his name and race to come in third... I was completely wrong about him. He's run a great campaign and he's a very likable guy. I just wish I didn't completely disagree with some of his major ideas.

This country is a lot better off then that line from Moore implies...

If Michael Moore find the Clintons' tactics disgusting, Moore should find himself abominable --- because he is a great liar and accuser like Satan.

True perhaps, but neither of them suck as bad as McBush who declared yesterday that he's going to ignore the economic experts because he disagrees with what they're trying to tell him about the current state of the economy. Who does THAT sound like?

If that piece of crap is elected we'll have some more wars, an economy in shambles and civil liberties will get thrown our with the bath water.

This country is a lot better off then that line from Moore implies...

I should have been a little more clear: there are voters who will vote for him because he is black (i.e., black voters) and there are those who will not vote for him simply because he is black (i.e., racial animous). I can understand the former (and let us not forget that before this all started Hillary had a sizeable chunk of the African-American vote), but it is the latter that I still find sad about this country. I don't think it can be denied that there are those that still harbor racist views in this country simply out of ignorance. The fact that Hillary's camp has tried to pander to these voters is rather disturbing.

McBush who declared yesterday that he's going to ignore the economic experts because he disagrees with what they're trying to tell him about the current state of the economy.

Not that I don't trust you, but I'd like to see an exact quote.

No wait... its completely because I don't trust you.

"The fact that Hillary's camp has tried to pander to these voters is rather disturbing."

I don't know that Hillary's campaign has gone out of its way to capitalize on any anti-minority sentiment among American voters. Can you provide some specific examples?

"We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man. Hillary knows it, too. She's counting on it.

It's a shame that both sentences here are correct. It is up to you to decide which is more shameful."

Posted by taxman

Actually, that's three sentences, but I'll give my verdict on them all:

"We know there are still many Americans who will never vote for a black man."

This goes without saying. And she clearly be the most shameful fact of them all, over any statement about any individual.

"Hillary knows it, too."

She's not an idiot. For her to be ignorant of this would be more shameful

"She's counting on it."

Well, wether she counts on it or not, she gets it more as a default than something she actively pursues. Guilty by association? perhaps, but its a weak association. that's voting for you.

gone out of its way

When did I say that? For examples refer back to statements made by this campaign in South Carolina and since.

and let us not forget that before this all started Hillary had a sizeable chunk of the African-American vote

Look at the past Black presidential candidates...

Mosley-Brown (braun? Not important enough to look up), Sharpton and Jackson.

All horrendous candidates, so one can't blame Black Americans for not jumping on board right away... and the Clintons have always enjoyed tremendous Black support. Once it was realized that Obama wasn't the next Sharpton, Black Americans bailed on the Clintons to vote for the guy who is the same race as them. Double standard?

#1 Moore pisses about his vote not counting - maybe he should ask Obama why his vote does not matter to the Dems...

#2 Moore wants to end the war, so why is he supporting a candidate that has voted to continue the war on 14 different occassions? Obama's only stance against the war was when he wasn't even a US Senator and didn't have a vote to cast at all.

#3 Did Obama participate in the 'Million Man March' or not? Was the Million Man March a creation of Farrakhan?

So, once again, the association between the 2 goes a little bit beyond the first explanation - much like the Rezko relationship is a little more than '5 hours of legal work 20 years ago'....

When will the Obama supporters at least address these questions rather than just pointing and screaming racist every time someone questions Obama's associates? Lastly, Moore is absolutely correct that Dems are spineless and did nothing to carry out their campaign promises. His solution is flawed though - if you want to ensure poor government, continue to support the R's and D's - if you actually want true change (not the 'yes we can' change which is more of the same), then the only solution is to vote 3rd party.

gone out of its way

When did I say that?

You said that "Hillary's camp has tried to pander to these voters." The term "tried" implies an active effort to do something.

Double standard?

Good question. I think you kind of answered it in the first part of your post. I think he has used good campaigning to sway African-American voters, but at the same time it was probably easy for him to sway them. Like you said, he needed to prove that he wasn't another Sharpton, and that he could pull in the white vote (which he did in Iowa and New Hampshire).

Go out of its way is one thing, the word "try" can included subtle attempts as well.

I still haven't seen any evidence of "subtle attempts" to capitalize on any anti-black sentiment in America.

I don't dislike Obama especially, but Michael Moore is a jackass.

I guess if you're going after the nutball vote, he's a good endorsement.

I think he has used good campaigning to sway African-American voters

I think he used great campaigning to get White Voters. I think he used color photography to sway black voters.

I just wish he weren't uber liberal... Even I can see the significance in having a Black President, and can apprecitate the monumental historical moment it will be... but to vote for him would betray a lot of what I believe in...

No matter who wins... we should all be thankful that Douchespud has no say.

but to vote for him would betray a lot of what I believe in...

I completely understand and don't think any less of you for it. As a matter of fact, I commend you for your stance.

"My endorsement is more for Obama The Movement than it is for Obama the candidate."

That pretty much sums it up for me. I was pretty "meh" about the whole thing until I started to see the kind of energy that Obama's candidacy has brought to voters. If Clinton can somehow manage to wrestle the nomination away from him, it will lead to a large chunk of young voters like myself being even more disillusioned with politics than we already are. And that disillusion will lead to apathy, the sworn enemy of honest democracy.

Well, that'll sure lock in that loony left vote he was having so much trouble with!

Obomba will win the nomination because he's threatened race riots if he doesn't. That'll scare the race-baiting Dem leadership off.

It will scare no one else.

McCane wins easily.

I completely understand and don't think any less of you for it. As a matter of fact, I commend you for your stance.

Posted by taxman


If I felt Congress were a seperate and powerful arm of government that worked on its own for the good of the nation, not just for or against the president I might be able to put aside some of what I have against him as well, and know that Congress would stop him if they felt what he wanted was too radical...

Sadly Congress can't be trusted to act that way...

"... If Clinton can somehow manage to wrestle the nomination away from him, it will lead to a large chunk of young voters like myself being even more disillusioned with politics than we already are. And that disillusion will lead to apathy, the sworn enemy of honest democracy."
Posted by ness_gadol

Way to throw the baby out with the bath water, nessie.

Why couldn't it inspire you to action rather than self-disenfranchisement? Couldn't Obama's failure to win the nomination lead you to ernestly work toward the creation of a viable third party?

Its disappointing to hear people say that they are willing to sabotage any hope for the future by being willing non-participants.

I just want to know where the outcry is for actual votes that aren't going to be counted. In both 2000 and 2004 we heard loud screams for voter fraud and votes that weren't counted, which turned out to be false, and now we have an instance where we know for certain that votes won't be counted and we hear nothing. What's up with that?

"Once it was realized that Obama wasn't the next Sharpton, Black Americans bailed on the Clintons to vote for the guy who is the same race as them. Double standard?"

ok i like your statement of why you wouldn't vote for obama

its fair and honest :)

as for this statement above
if barack was "THE" candidate that would still be said.

your opinion of obama isn't universal
just like my opinion of mccain isn't universal

such is democracy :)

i'm not black
i wouldn't vote for a candidate for his color
i like obama on his stances

i think his iraq policy is less liberal then hillary and more liberal then mccain. where i want it to be.

i think his health care policy is less liberal then hillary and more liberal then mccain. where i want it to be
and the list goes on

he's hard on guns
personally i don't care about guns
you can't form a militia to fight the us army so whats the point of it.

to go duck hunting?? i don't like hunting. its a non issue for a non bitter guy like me lol.

etc etc etc

If Clinton can somehow manage to wrestle the nomination away from him, it will lead to a large chunk of young voters like myself being even more disillusioned with politics than we already are.

You took your ball and ran home a lot as a kid when your kickball team lost didn't you?

If Clinton wins, it will be because of the shitty way the DNC Primaries are conducted... That shouldn't disillusion young voters, it should insire you to change the shitty system.

For starters, you democrats should all be banding together screaming for an end to the proportioned delegate system, and move to the way the General Election works. Winner take all... you win a state, you get its delegates... that's how it should work, but it isn't socialist, so that's not how the left wants it.

Obomba will win the nomination because he's threatened race riots if he doesn't.

Oh, God, I am so hoping for race riots in Denver after Hillary gets the nomination. The films of Chicago in 1968 still make my nipples hard. And, besides, I still need that new LCD HDTV.

you can't form a militia to fight the us army so whats the point of it.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

~Thomas Jefferson

i don't think the porportioned delegates are the problem

the super delegate system is the problem

the porportioned delegates seem more "democratic" but the super delegate negates that democracy.

"... it isn't socialist, so that's not how the left wants it."

Don't be a sap. The Republican party was trying to do the exact same thing in California. Does that make them socialists?

"McCane wins easily."

Right you are - my prediction is 20%+. I think it might be Obama wins Illinois and Hawaii and that is it. I strongly believe McCain can win Cali if he picks Powell as Veep and/or keeps bringing up immigration and how he now knows his plan was wrong and that the American people don't want amnesty - that would force Obama to take a position which would turn off Cali voters. So, while the South and Central valley's are typically red - they will will go deep red as the anti-illegal sentiment is strong.

you can't form a militia to fight the us army so whats the point of it?

"He will cheat without scruple who can without fear"

~Benjamin Franklin

"A people shouldn't fear their government, a government should fear their people"

~V for Vendetta.

People must retain the right to keep and bear arms.

Period.

Be Well.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

~Thomas Jefferson



rob complete agreement
but its not legitamately possible anymore

you dn't have the right as a militia to buy chinook helicoptors and black hawks

you can't fight the tyranny in the government with guns anymore

"So he endorses the guy that disenfranchised his vote?"

When did Obama choose to move up the Michigan primary?

"McCane wins easily."
"Right you are - my prediction is 20%+."

You are both insane. Are you aware that the vast majority of Americans are tired of Republicans right now? Americans attribute the war and the fledgling economy to Republicans. They got their asses handed to them nationwide in 2006 because of this. These issues have not yet gone away. To think that McCane will beat anyone by 20% is laughable.

"Oh, God, I am so hoping for race riots in Denver "

says a lot about you doesn't it

"i don't think the porportioned delegates are the problem

the super delegate system is the problem

the porportioned delegates seem more "democratic" but the super delegate negates that democracy."

Posted by klifferd

I totally concur on that point. The point that follows however is that if you have a problem with a party that merely provides the veil of democracy, then you should not be a member of that party, you should call for and work toward the formation of a third party.

That has been my issue from the very beginning with the Obama campaign's reluctance to demand that the democrats of Florida and Michigan not be disenfranchised.

"democrats of Florida and Michigan not be disenfranchised."

well the local florida and michigan democratic committees need to be held at fault

not the dnc in this case

they were told the outcome of their actions a long time ago and yet they did it

if disenfranchised democrats want to express their anger, express it to the florida and michigan committees not the national level.


they thought they could break the rules and get away with it.

too bad they can't

"Are you aware that the vast majority of Americans are tired of Republicans right now?"

The American people are really tired of Bush, not Republicans in general. The 2006 election is classic in that it was a vote against Reps rather than for Dems. Now, the voters see just how useless the Dems are. McCain is not Bush regardless of much you try to paint him as the same. He is a decorated war hero that is considered to be honest - the ploar opposite of Bush. Given the Dems's 2x primary turnout and 40%/26% registered voter advangate, why do you think that McCain still polls ahead of Obama nationally? I mean, by your logic, McCain should be down 20%+ in the polls right now rather than winning. Oh I know, polls are meaningless.

So, as long as your candidate wasn't responsible for the disenfranchisement that's okay with you?

No candidate should be able to claim the mantle of dem nominee for president without having been heard chosen from the entire party.

The reason these stupid rules were made was to preserve the kingmaker status of Iowa and New Hampshire. That status is completely fraudulent and as such, any rules meant to preserve it should be held in equal disregard.

VOTES OVER RULES 2008!

Klifferd,

The intent of the right to keep and bear arms was to prevent easy bullying by the government...not, so much, to overthrow it, which can be done at the ballot box normally.

The idea is not to win the fight against the government. The idea is to force them to kill in public in a politically unsavy way in order to bully. Look at how much more careful they've been in going after the religious wackos this time compared to WACO....WACO was a PR disaster because the government had to shoot people...they couldn't just walk in and throw them into vehicles and make them disappear.

The right to keep and bear arms is as important and relevant as it ever was.

"McCane wins easily."

NEEEEEEEP! Wrog answer. THanx fer playing!

Newsweek 04/16 - 04/17 44% 48% 8% Obama +4.0%
ABC/Wash Post 04/10 - 04/13 44% 49% 2% Obama +5.0%

Unless, of course, you were talking about McSame versus Shrillary?

Then he might just squeak off a narrow victory.

When Hillary drops out of the race these numbers will change in Baracks favour.

November is a long way off and this time blog-world is ready.

Spud sure the fuck is.

Tee Hee!

G08ama. Obama '08.

Be Well.

"The reason these stupid rules were made was to preserve the kingmaker status of Iowa and New Hampshire. That status is completely fraudulent and as such, any rules meant to preserve it should be held in equal disregard."

So is it your contention that any rule or law with which you disagree, or whose premise you find questionable should be disregarded and disobeyed, or just this particular one?

Will a turrist attack in China this summer change those polls?

The irrational exuberance is beginning to appear less appealing: that either Hilary or Obama can cruise to the White House. This idea of inevitability is adding to the desperation between the two mud wrestlers.

While McCain continues to sing: O Macdonald's had a farm... eiya eiya yo.....

He has collected enough materials to paint either Obama or Hilary come October and November.

"So is it your contention that any rule or law with which you disagree, or whose premise you find questionable should be disregarded and disobeyed, or just this particular one?"

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

No, not any rule with which I disagree, but every rule which can be demonstrated to be, not only questionable, but utterly invalid. Any rule which preserves the first among equals status of any state is invalid on its face, because any such rule is inconsistent with the meaning of democracy.

But if you feel that rules are only so valid inasmuch as they preserve the power of your chosen associates then I guess I literally can't argue with you.

the porportioned delegates seem more "democratic"

Completely disagree... It seems more like "Everyone gets a trophy," elementary school sports bullshit. One election, one winner...

you dn't have the right as a militia to buy chinook helicoptors and black hawks

you can't fight the tyranny in the government with guns anymore


Posted by klifferd

In the case of true tyranny... not the current liberal pussy mantra of, "Bush is a nazi taking all our rights, somebody assfuck me," (See Spuds Blog history) but true tyranny, you would see states breaking away, and fighting, in which case having an armed population capable gurilla warfare would be monumental in fighting the true govenrmental tyranny...

"...but every rule which can be demonstrated to be, not only questionable, but utterly invalid."

But who gets to decide what is "utterly invalid"? You?

These were rules that were agreed upon by the DNC and signed off on by all the major candidates a long time ago.

Guess what? I don't particularly like them either and think they should be changed in the future.

But what you are advocating is that any rule or law that someone (like you) decides is unfair, arbitrary, or invalid should be disregarded. Not reconsidered and changed if the majority concurs, but disregarded.

So if each of us takes it upon ourselves to disregard any rule or law we don't like, where does that leave society?

#3 Did Obama participate in the 'Million Man March' or not? Was the Million Man March a creation of Farrakhan?


I think it is nonsense to fault Obama for that.
The message of the march transcended Farrakhan.

FARRAKHAN

Take this pledge with me. Say with me please, I, say your name, pledge that from this day forward I will strive to love my brother as I love myself. I, say your name, from this day forward will strive to improve myself spiritually, morally, mentally, socially, politically, and economically for the benefit of myself, my family, and my people. I, say your name, pledge that I will strive to build business, build houses, build hospitals, build factories, and then to enter international trade for the good of myself, my family, and my people. I, say your name, pledge that from this day forward I will never raise my hand with a knife or a gun to beat, cut, or shoot any member of my family or any human being, except in self-defense.

I, say your name, pledge from this day forward I will never abuse my wife by striking here, disrespecting her for she is the mother of my children and the producer of my future. I, say your name, pledge that from this day forward I will never engage in the abuse of children, little boys, or little girls for sexual gratification. But I will let them grow in peace to be strong men and women for the future of our people. I, say your name, will never again use the B word to describe my female, but particularly my own Black sister.

I, say your name, pledge from this day forward that I will not poison my body with drugs or that which is destructive to my health and my well being. I, say your name, pledge from this day forward, I will support Black newspapers, Black radio, Black television. I will support Black artists, who clean up their acts to show respect for themselves and respect for their people, and respect for the ears of the human family.

I, say your name, will do all of this so help me God. Well, I think we all should hold hands now. And I want somebody to sing "To God be the Glory".

I, say your name, pledge that from this day forward I will never raise my hand with a knife or a gun to beat, cut, or shoot any member of my family or any human being, except in self-defense.


LMAO... how'd that work out?

Maybe they need a 2 Million man march...

"But who gets to decide what is "utterly invalid"? You?"

No, not me, the rules of language, of logic and arguement. They stand regardless of anybody's subjective opinions.

"These were rules that were agreed upon by the DNC and signed off on by all the major candidates a long time ago."

That goes to show you the contempt every one of those democrat candidates has for the people in general and the democrats who vote for them in particular.

"Guess what? I don't particularly like them either and think they should be changed in the future."

You mean right after your favorite candidate, who just happens to benefit from those rules you don't like, wins the nomination, right?

"But what you are advocating is that any rule or law that someone (like you) decides is unfair, arbitrary, or invalid should be disregarded. Not reconsidered and changed if the majority concurs, but disregarded."

I wouldn't go so far as to apply that to every LAW (though I might advocate that approach for some), but to every RULE? Maybe...if I thought most people had a healthy respect for logic.

Ok Hagbard. I think we all understand your position quite well now.

Until we got to "Obomba will win the nomination because he's threatened race riots if he doesn't," I thought the hate mongers had been pretty well restrained. A thread with Hillary, Barack and Mike surely contains some offensiveness material for everyone. Maybe Mike has finally achieved his deserved stature as America's foremost teller of cinematic truth. He is right on. As always. herm

"McCane wins easily." Right you are - my prediction is 20%+.

This guy grants Obama Illinois and Hawaii. I wonder what he will say when McBush wins only Utah and Idaho. No doubt there will be some ultra-right racist slander, which numbers will quickly reveal to be the purest bullshit. herm

... how'd that work out?

ROB
That is the very reason I find fault with BHO's 20 year association with Rev Wright.
Young people need to be inspired and encouraged to overcome obstacles. Not to dwell on the hateful past.

"I can understand the former (and let us not forget that before this all started Hillary had a sizeable chunk of the African-American vote), but it is the latter that I still find sad about this country. "
In other words, its o.k. to discriminate in favor of Obama because he is black, but wrong to discriminate against him?

HILLARY probably will not be the first female president of the United States. She will go home learn how to bake cookies, clean fishes, do laundry,washing dishes,clean house,and has sex with Bill...

"I wonder what he will say when McBush wins only Utah and Idaho"

Do you honestly believe this utter stupidity? You can chalk up the south for McCain right now - no way Miss, LA, etc are going to vote for Obama. However, the only states that I think Obama will win regardless will be IL (Chicago vote rigging will assure that) and HI, which will vote for a 'favorite son' and it very left leaning. I would say the odds of your prediction coming true are 1,000:1 even if McCain would call Katie Couric a cunt on national TV followed by eating the aborted fetus Dick Cheney's gay daughter. Meanwhile, my prediction is 10:1 currently and will become a lock after Rove picks up and goes where Hillary was too chickenshit to go.

"Nonsense. Obama blocked a DNC approved revote in MI. "

Which, again, had nothing to do with Michigan Democrats moving up their primary.

But nice try, moving those goalposts.

"Meanwhile, my prediction is 10:1 currently"

You're predicting McCain will win by 20+ points and giving 10-1 odds?

What's the maximum bet you'll take?

You're predicting McCain will win by 20+ points and giving 10-1 odds?

What's the maximum bet you'll take?

Posted by Danforth


Fuck, even I'd put money down on Obama with those odds...

The real reason Moore supports Obama is he somehow misread the title of Obama's book as "The Obesity of Hope"

KEEP FIGHTING ,HILLARY...NOW(NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN) IS BEHIND YOU...

Moore supported Nader....another costly mistake for Democratic voters.

-Which, again, had nothing to do with Michigan Democrats moving up their primary.

Which, again, has nothing to do with a DNC approved plan to revote that Obama blocked, thereby denying Mr Moore his vote, which was the point.

Look at the past Black presidential candidates...

Mosley-Brown (braun? Not important enough to look up), Sharpton and Jackson.

All horrendous candidates, so one can't blame Black Americans for not jumping on board right away... and the Clintons have always enjoyed tremendous Black support. Once it was realized that Obama wasn't the next Sharpton, Black Americans bailed on the Clintons to vote for the guy who is the same race as them. Double standard?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-21 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:



I guess it's ok to revert to a philosophy that can be catagorized as "old politics" if it makes you feel more comfortable, however lets not forget that Hillary enjoyed a sizable advantage of black voters until they pissed it away in South Carolina.

but to vote for him would betray a lot of what I believe in...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-21 11:24 AM

ponder this, Rob: How much of it have the Republicans betrayed? And do you expect McCain to be any better?

We need Obama to win if for no other reason than to let the establishment know that we're mad as hell and not willing to take it anymore. Obama is the only form of protest vote that's got the slightest chance of getting anywhere near the White House. Even if you (anyone, not just you, Rob) don't like the man or his policies, you really can't come up with an argument that either of the other two will definitely be better!

I would really like to see everyone just get behind the Obama movement, which, as Michael Moore implied is now about much more than one man's candidacy.

Give the guy four short years to prove himself. He truly can do no more harm than either of the other two and has the potential to do MUCH more good than both of them.

Also, if this site is a fair sampling of the Democratic demographics acrosss the country, then Killary really doesn't have much support. There isn't a single regular here who supports her, is there? Corky doesn't count. Corky is defintitely not regular...

Anyone here willing to be $10,000 dollars that Republicans win the WHITE HOUSE in 08?

By any margin? it can be by 1 vote, doesnt matter, a win is a win.

Anyone got any balls?


Any stupid democrats that think Obama is going to win up to it?

Your feeling good now, but when the Rev Wright ads are running on TV in every county in the nation, and all that other laundry, you can kiss your ass goodbye, no chance.

Kuma

"Anyone got any balls?"

Sure. You got $10,000?

You got 10k bitch democrat? Why do you have 10k? Don;t you know you need to give that to the Government because they know how to spend it better than you?

Kuma

"You got 10k bitch democrat?"

First...lifelong Independent.

Second...the government gives me ample opportunity to make a lot without paying them a lot. I confess I take that opportunity.

Third...are you serious about the bet?

Sadly Congress can't be trusted to act that way...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

the American public will be subject to many lubed ankle grabbing moments if he is elected.. Lets just hope its not too big.

Michael Moore....another socialist millionaire.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....tenk on the winner??????/

hmmmmmmmmm I dont know...right now it sounds like a sucker bet without knowing FOR SURE who the dems are going to put up because remember we are talkig ab0ut the CLINTONS here and my money is bet that they havent REALLY gotten to the BIG guns yet......if they dont win penn really big, I think there will be a HUGE announcement about something to do with obama.

BL2 quit yer rambling and spit it out

Somehow I find Michael Moore endorsing Obama because Hillary is using propaganda and innuendo in a sleazy attempt to smear Obama rather funny.

Kuma, where'd you run to, my Republican biatch?

Michael Moore is a rambling nonsensical guy, for lack of a better word. Mr. "Pummeled senseless for 8 long years" is getting a lot of mileage out of this. He is living the good life earning money by telling people how bad everything is, and please don't forget to hate everything and everybody in America. Just like Rev. Wright rings the register by reminding people every Sunday how miserable they are, and please don't forget to hate the white folk.

Yeah, when I see his MM's face, I can see that he is really suffering ... from too much fatty venom. Perhaps when the fat around his brain will start melting, he will find some respect for Sen. Clinton, and he may be able to look at some facts related to Sen. Obama and get off his high horse. Sen. Obama is just another politician, albeit with a brilliant branding of "change" stamped to his forehead.

Yes, there are many people out there that would not like a black man for president. The sad truth is that there are also many people out there that simply can't imagine having a woman for president. I can imagine having either one of president. The only thing is, I don't like Sen. Obama because I think he is a phony, and I like Sen. Clinton, because she is an amazing woman.

Any idiot out there who imagines that Sen. Obama is different and it is not pandering to the establishment would better wake up and smell the coffee. Why don't you go and study a bit about the Chicago style politics? Why don't you familiarize yourselves with the lies that Sen. Obama is telling people? All the guy has to do is recite the phone book and people fall at his feet. The hype is really incredible, and it will fade, just like everything else, especially when lacking substance. Perhaps a couple years from now, you will scratch your heads and wonder

Change-
So, you're voting for whom?

I am voting for Sen. Clinton.

No kidding?

I think you should rally for Clinton, but you should also pursue a future in Republican hackery.

Interesting how you could be so good at both.

I am voting for Sen. Clinton.

Sez the Hilariously inaptly named Change girl.

A vote fer Shrillary is a vote fer a sex change not real change.

Except after her disastrous economic policies take hold and then you'll on the corner begging fer "spare change".

Are you even old enuff to vote?

You sound like a kid, that's all Spud is saying.

Not a particularily bright kid at that.

Be Well.

Oh...and here is what the most accurate poll says about the Nov. election:

"Monday, April 21, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports...

Spud'll stop you right there.

Rasmussen is one of the most biased and inaccurate pollsters around.

They are to polling wot FOX is to real news.

Be Well.

Is Michael Moore going to be Obama's VP? lol

"Your feeling good now, but when the Rev Wright ads are running on TV in every county in the nation, and all that other laundry, you can kiss your ass goodbye, no chance."

Fortunately for Democrats most Americans fear losing their homes because of the REpublican economy than they fear a seventy year old retired preacher. We fear 100 years in Iraq more than we fear being told the truth, that we are bitter about what the Republicans have done to this country.
We fear the future that our children will not enjoy because of the debts left behind by the crony capitalists. I'm thinking that if Obama gets the nomination he will beat McBush by 10% at least. People are fed up with what you REpublicans have given them for too long.

No matter who wins... we should all be thankful that Douchespud has no say.


Could you imagine it? The illegible scribbles and doodles in crayon. The words you manage to get out of them make no sense.


but to vote for him would betray a lot of what I believe in...


See I have the same problem, except that I can't vote for any of the 'popular' candidates. I don't agree with Obama, Clinton or McCain. There's only one guy I could vote for that wouldn't have me holding my nose as I pull the lever, and he doesn't get any press at all. He was never considered a serious candidate because his ideas were "radical". He's lambasted by so-called republicans and democrats alike, yet he's the only one who's more interested in preserving your rights than either of the three popular candidates.

So I'll end up having to vote for Obama because he's not a Clinton and McCain might be fucking nuts. I've never been a betting man, but I would put a fiver on there being quite a few fence-sitters like me who feel the same way.


i don't think the proportioned delegates are the problem

the super delegate system is the problem

the proportioned delegates seem more "democratic" but the super delegate negates that democracy.


Yeah, I don't understand that one either. It's like the democrat leadership looked at their party and said "we're surrounded by dumb asses, we need assurance that they will pick the right candidate." What a bunch of self-righteous asshats.


I strongly believe McCain can win Cali if he picks Powell as Veep and/or keeps bringing up immigration and how he now knows his plan was wrong and that the American people don't want amnesty


That would be easy for my to believe except that he came out for quite a while and said how "Americans just didn't understand his plan." or "You don't like my plan because you haven't read my plan." And then, he sends Leslie Graham back to South Carolina to tell us all the very same things. Fuck John McCain in his old, geriatric ass.

FUCK MIKE MOORE..........

"...Sez the Hilariously inaptly named Change girl.

...A vote fer Shrillary is a vote fer a sex change not real change.

...Except after her disastrous economic policies take hold and then you'll on the corner begging fer "spare change".

...Are you even old enuff to vote?

....You sound like a kid, that's all Spud is saying.

Not a particularily bright kid at that.

Be Well."

Posted by Dethspud

All Spud is saying my redacted.

When Spud hit the scene, he tried really hard to be reasonable and respectful to even the most lunatic wingnut republican.

These days he's even attacking those he still hopes will vote for Obama if/when he wins the nomination.

I think this tater's fried.

Taxman,
Now let me see if I have this right.
You believe that a Black voter voting for a Black candidate because he/she is Black is not racist.
You believe that a White voter who votes against a Black candidate because he/she is Black IS racist.

Do I have that right? I sure sounds that way when you say you can understand a Black person voting for a Black person just because they are Black, not because they are competent to do the job. But you think it is sad if a Whte person votes against a Black because they are Black, not because they are incompetent to do the job.

I think your belief in that double standard is even more tragic than either of the two above items.

While it is wrong to vote for a person because of who they are instead of how well they can do the job, that is the reality of mankind for just about the entire existance of human history. You go into a primarily Irish Neighborhood and odds are pretty good that the representative for that Neighborhood will be Irish.
Same thing for Jewish, Polish, Indian, Chinese, etc.
Same thing with religion. In Catholic areas, odds are the representatives will all be Catholic, in Baptist areas they will be Baptists, etc.

It is human nature. Doesn't make it right but it makes it reality.

So why is it racist for a White to vote against a Black but not for a Black to vote against a White?

Racism has no color or religion. It is universal.

To accept racism of Blacks against Whites while decrying it when Whites do it against Blacks is just as wrong as the other way around.

It is wrong either way you look at it.

Screw racism. Let's get behind Barney O'Bama because he's the ablest candidate in the race. By a mile. The best that tightie-righties have found against him is that he's too articulate, too bright, too able, and once had a minister who spoke an ugly truth about American racial history. herm

"I strongly believe McCain can win Cali if he picks Powell as Veep and/or keeps bringing up immigration and how he now knows his plan was wrong and that the American people don't want amnesty"

Riiight. He wants to make the Bush tax cuts for the rich permanent even as the economy is spinning in the toilet. "No plan for the economy" is McBush's campaign slogan.

"If Michael Moore find the Clintons' tactics disgusting, Moore should find himself abominable --- because he is a great liar and accuser like Satan."

You're an idiot.

"FUCK MIKE MOORE.........."

A little bit of a homo aren't ya?

Michael moore did what anyone would do in his position to make money.

From the article:

"Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"


Very interesting.

If Michael Moore find the Clintons' tactics disgusting, Moore should find himself abominable --- because he is a great liar and accuser like Satan.

Posted by takitez at 2008-04-21 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Satan? HA! HA!.

Careful, the boogeyman is gonna get ya too!

Limpblob and Hanutty have more false accusations and lies in ten minutes of broadcasting than Moore does in his entire film catalog.

The best that tightie-righties have found against him is that he's too articulate, too bright, too able, and once had a minister who spoke an ugly truth about American racial history. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-04-22 01:46 PM


It would be nice if you could back up any of your reasons to vote for Obama with meaningful legislation and experience.

It would be nice if you could back up any of your reasons to vote for Obama with meaningful legislation and experience.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-04-22 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd ask the same of you regarding Bush in 2000.

I'd ask the same of you regarding Bush in 2000.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-04-22 04:30 PM

My answer would be Bush isn't running and has nothing to do with the post.(Although if you were to compare Bush's resume and Obamas I don't think BHO could hold a candle to GW. Or McCain for that matter.) Not that you can actually provide anything meaningful from 46 year old Junior Senator.

My answer would be Bush isn't running and has nothing to do with the post.(Although if you were to compare Bush's resume and Obamas I don't think BHO could hold a candle to GW. Or McCain for that matter.) Not that you can actually provide anything meaningful from 46 year old Junior Senator.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-04-22 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whoaaa, pardner.....if it was good enough for you to use when electing Bush.....

You can't just go changing the rules....or is that FLIP-FLOPPING?

Either way, what did Bush do before becoming president? He became the Gov of TX and ran that state further into the ground than he did the Oil Co he bankrupted as CEO. He gave TX the distinction of becoming #1 in illiteracy, #1 in EPA violations & #50 in avg wage. Way to go George.....and now he's trying to continue his legacy with the entire country.

That should read 'Oil CO's (plural...three to be exact) he bankrupted as CEO...."

Whoaaa, pardner.....if it was good enough for you to use when electing Bush..

Good or bad Bush was a Governor of a State. Good or bad he signed Legislation into law, had budgets, appointed judges. He even served in the military. I know 7 years later it is easy to criticize everything Bush did in Texas. Or even dating back from 2001 to today. But it is laughable trying to compare Obama's thin resume to Bush or any Democrat elected President the last 60 years.

Ah, Chicharrone, always the voice of pork-fat and wisdom.

"(I)t is laughable trying to compare Obama's thin resume to Bush or any Democrat elected President the last 60 years."

What is laughable is the preposterousness of using "resumes" to decide your presidential candidate. Bush essentially looted Texas before he looted the United States. Nothing else in his dossier but boozing and draft-dodging.

Obama oozes savvy, know-how, courage and concern, but even Ms. Hillary is in a different league (not a Bush league). Can someone list any meaningful legislation or experience to justify picking the village idiot who's used us since 2000? herm

What is laughable is the preposterousness of using "resumes" to decide your presidential candidate

What word would you prefer? Qualifications? Experience? It would seem you never bothered to read the post and missed the point. Or maybe you understand Obama lacks many of the keys other presidents have won on and as usual went to the Bush blah blah blah....